Here’s an email from an older guy that should give you young ones a nice kick in the ass:
So, one key factor in success with women is developing demonstrable value in young men as quicly as possible–the kind of value that triggers response in young women. And not just money and superficial success. I’m talking about things that appeal to girls so-called “deep” intuitive senses and emotional inner being. The kind of valued accomplishment that flips the fuck-me switch.
As an older gentleman myself, I think it’s much easier to build impressive accomplisments when you’re younger than when you’re older. Older men are expected to have more and have achieved more than younger men. The to differentiate yourself when you’re 30-something or 40-something is more difficult.
I teach my own son this lesson – the younger you are, the more impressive the same accomplishment.
For example, I urged my kids to write and publish a book while still in their teens. It didn’t matter how good the book was, just the accomplishment of having done it at such an early age would immediately set them apart from their peers.
Publishing my first book in my 30’s isn’t nearly as impressive, although it still sets me apart from men who have never authored a book. Besdies, women dig a man who’s good with words. Funny thing is that none of the women I’ve shared this accomplishment with have asked to read my book. I think that would be too much work for many of them. lol
However, on the flip side, men of my age who hit up the same women and bore those women to tears with the same old work, career, and financial success stories don’t get very far. I believe it’s because these men have demonstrated nothing out of the ordinary for their age. Neither have they demonstrated anything of particular interest. I pity that man that tells a woman who or what he is in a single word or phrase: “I’m a doctor,” “I’m a layer,” “I run xyz company”, etc. BFD!
I might just put together a list of things young men should accomplish that will quickly build inherent value in a 20 year old.
You don’t have to outrun a bear to survive, you just have to run faster than the other guy.
So what’s the best way to show value if you’re an older guy?
I read lately that it’s isn’t about accomplishments but it’s about genuine inner drive to make things happen. You do not need to show that kind of value, your interlocutor will feel it. Much more complicated is to find this drive inside yourself.
I don’t agree with what the man said because it’s got nothing to do with age whatsoever. I know plenty 40+ year olds who are hitting it up with 20 year olds consistently. Not because of their accomplishments but because of their masculinity and congruency.
Accomplishments mean nothing. At the end of the day, you could have achieved everything yet if you lack Game, nothing matters.
” I know plenty 40+ year olds who are hitting it up with 20 year olds consistently. Not because of their accomplishments but because of their masculinity and congruency. ”
What do you mean by “congruency”? Congruent with what?
So what’s the best way to show value if you’re an older guy?
You talk about how healthy you are. That impresses me.
As a 37 year old, I find the following works for me:
– Having done out of mainstream stuff : traveling to strange places, having been a yoga teacher, studying philosophy, a deeper knowledge than most about stuff that I am interested in (independent cinema, politics, evolutionary psychology, spirituality)
– A higher level of fitness than most young people, and dress sense and aesthetics, and general taste in stuff (in music/movies, what to drink, how to talk to waiters, how to drive a car)
– Choosiness. Not every bar is fine. Expressing disapproval with a mild amusement (not habitually, but where stuff is a little worse than I expect) shows I’ve been around and have had better and more experiences. Not too much of it, or I come across as too high-brow. Appreciation of something also shows that one is experienced, so one should balance praise with disapproval.
Just a few things that come to my mind.
I can relate to the philosophy comment, having studied it myself (albeit too much) when I was in my 20s and angling to be a professor in the subject. I never have left the field in many ways and it continues to inform how I look at things in myself, in life, and in other people. What I lacked, though, was more solid insight into how women think and operate.
Ditto for fitness and health, as well as interests. What I considered “normal” many years ago (e.g., reading, understanding, and liking Shakespeare and other great literature; other cultures and beliefs; spirituality; etc.) is far less commonplace now, replaced with too much boring and brainless pop culture. Now, sure the sheeple aren’t going to care about this, but if the younger chicks are looking for someone who has these interests, you’ll fit the bill.
Case in point . . . this past summer, I was banging a hot 28 yr old Romanian. On her Match.com profile she stated: “You are my guy if you like the following: Alan Parsons Project, Nikos Kazantzakis, “The Barber of Siberia,” and you know that Piaget is something more than a French liquor.” It blew me away. So rare she was.
“Ditto for fitness and health, as well as interests. What I considered “normal” many years ago (e.g., reading, understanding, and liking Shakespeare and other great literature; other cultures and beliefs; spirituality; etc.) is far less commonplace now, replaced with too much boring and brainless pop culture.”
I find it MORE commonplace now than years ago. Buddhism is on the rise as the fastest growing religion in the US. Interest in Yoga, Vedanta, and Sankhya (base philosophy of Ayurveda, hence why the burgeoning interest in it, what to speak of Tantra.
These things are only going to get more and more mainstream so brush up on your Patanjali and Narayanakantha.
Get a good chick before you’re 45. I’m 50+ and know. Their longevity sensors trigger when you’re over 50-“Will he be around until the kid’s 18?”, her body says without her knowing it. Remember when they evolved, men didn’t live to 75 much.
If you can’t form long-term attachments, get ready for Asia. 55 has vastly lower value than 45 because the 45 has years of earning potential she can appropriate.
Excuse me, but not all of us guys here at ROK are desperate to get settled in with some chick only to watch her become a fat, nagging shrew. Your response smacks of one-itis and the inability to enjoy life alone. And if you are aspiring to be marriage material i.e. become some woman’s poodle then you have no place posting here.
That’s an interesting theory, and I definitely think there’s some truth to it. For older guys, the best bet is to go after younger girls, since they aren’t that accomplished yet themselves and don’t have as many life experiences. Definitely stay away from work related accomplishments, and focus on things like music (guitar), singing, and dancing. Those are skills that will always be attractive to women, no matter what your age. Having done things that younger women want to do, like traveling can be attractive as well.
“Definitely stay away from work related accomplishments, and focus on things like music (guitar), singing, and dancing.”
Don’t stay away from work. Both you and her need money.
What he meant to say is just don’t put your work related accomplishments at the forefront.
For older guys, one of the things you can do is buck the system. Yeah, she’s bored with the accountants and middle-management types… but if you are older, with the good things about older guys- masculinity, etc… but also, you have a youthful streak because you don’t center your life around work and have sweet hobbies like playing in a band, or in my case, writing novels, you become imminently more interesting.
Mix the old-school MAN vibe with being fun/interesting like a younger person, and its an excellent mix.
Also, health rules. Old dudes in poor health just don’t fly. Overcoming the age difference is a piece of cake if you still look decent. Overcoming a dumpy physique is tough at any age.
Respectfully guys if we are talking getting with American chicks (age 20 somethings) I doubt very much these acomplishments mean anything to a garden variety skag from the anglosphere. Seriously. Between staring at her navel and smart phone and hanging out with her gaggle of friends where they do nothing but validate each other today’s english speaking female is an empty box of air. You wrote a book you say? She’ll respond: “Oh like, yeah whatever”. If you really want to impress her just be sure you bring a gram of coke with you to the party and watch her eyes light up like a Christmas tree, eager, with legs spread wide open when you offer to do a line. I’m not saying to become a cokie, but rather I want to stress that, in the final analysis you have to have something little darling wants. Something that will make her jump through hoops like a man would jump through hoops to get to her vagina. Maybe you become a casting director in the movie industry. Maybe you import exotic cars. You get my drift? Something that installs in her those fun intense emotional highs that they seek 24/7. Whatever it is it has to be something that turns HER on. And rest assured intellectual pursuits aint gonna do it. Bear in mind I am speaking of getting the attention of the most attractive chicks in the house. Most females who appreciate intellectualist projects are the homely peace corp volunteer types, not the hotties that you and every other guy want to get with.
What Nik said. Every damn word!
As an almost 40 guy, I can impart a bit of knowledge here as well. Be passionate about something, anything really. Find a hobby or activity that you enjoy and be passionate about it. Women are drawn to men that are passionate about something. And if you can show you have passion, they believe that you can be passionate about them as well. I have had several hobbies from acting, swordfighting, ballroom dancing, cars, self improvement, and woodworking. And women have enjoyed my enjoyment of them. I find that if you have a passionate hobby, women can get jealous of it. However a passionate man will not let her jealousy get in the way of his enjoyment, and that seems to make them go wild with attraction. Women love masculine men of any age that are centered in themselves and exude masculine passion.
58 here. Motorcycles, fast ones. I was a firefighter, a flight deck rat and with those, I took up motorcycles. Hopefully you took up stuff as a “kid” that you still have the acuity and build for later. One thing you have to get used to is, in your thirties, you get women in their twenties, in your forties a very few women in their twenties but mostly women in their thirties. Now 58, I’m moved “up” to those in their late forties and dabbling in 50s because those in their 30s and early forties want a last crack at a baby. Older women take getting used to, but the principles are the same. Stay in shape, stay interesting, stay bold. And don’t take shit. Make it clear you aren’t following courtship rules, you want a bed mate. And Roosh is right, the “women peak sexually older” bullshit is just that; bullshit. They still bang, but things are a tad dry and some are pretty good. It can be done, I’m living proof.
Also, older you get as a guy, YOU become more and more in demand to the 45-55 set because the men don’t hold up. Obesity, diabetes, athletic injuries have caught up with most (in High School I smoked dope and fucked hippies while most of my buddies were breaking their bodies playing football and cheer leaders). Guys hit the wall, too. Stay interesting and your dick still works and you want to bang (I have golfing buddies that are all done with broads at 55) you bang. On top of the shit that I get a kick out of, cooking, golf, the bikes, banging is still uppermost and the other stuff is the enabler.
Did he ever put that list together