225 thoughts on “Why There Will Be No Radical Life Extension, End Of Aging, Or Immortality”

1. No matter how great medical technology advances, you’re never going to be able to take a pill that will cure you of being hit by a bus.

   1. You obviously haven’t fully explored the power of Kratom.

      1. hahahahahhahaahha one giant redmark against ROK is kratom.
         Then again nothing is perfect and money is needed.

         1. that red mark is just intensity bursting through the surface powered by Kratom

      2. LOL Kratom jokes are never going to get old are they?

         1. No, but the half dozen bags of iit in my cupboard are getting pretty old.

         2. I’ve noticed a lot of ktstom jokes on here. What’s the origin?

   2. As Aubrey de Grey once said;
      “Then you can have your grandmother walk you across the road, cause she will still be alive.”

2. I loved how that Google exec was bragging about how he was going to transfer his consciousness into a machine and live forever.
   Until I pull the plug and never turn the computer back on that is.

   1. Youre referring to Kurtzweil I guess? He gobbles 100+ pills a day, hoping to hang on long enough for the singularity…

      1. The thing is, once you reach that age, you are pretty much set biologically. He has already aged.
         If he wanted to live until he was 100, he should’ve started much earlier.
         The great, poetically just thing about all these psychotic baby-boomers looking to live forever is that most of them are too sick and weak to benefit from the technology they are creating.

3. Ive always been scared by the thoughts of living forever !! And that was even at my happiest. Nothing to do with being unhappy. But the cyclical nature of life is what makes it unique. Would you really want to watch several generations you have no connection to culturally or otherwise grow and take over the world ??
   Imagine the amount of suffering you would see. Imagine how cynical and resigned you would become. It would be like watching a repeat of some show again and again. You’d be wise but powerful surely infuriating !!
   I love life but i accept death and am almost exited to see what comes when i die.
   Life without death is like sex without the orgasm. It needs that sweet end to make it what it is.

   1. Byron’s Manfred goes over this territory a bit.

      1. Man, I read that a coons age ago.

      2. never heard of it but ill look it up,thanks

   2. Ever watch the movie “Highlander”?
      Edit: Making sure folks know which one I’m referring to.
      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highlander_(film)

      1. Excellent reference. And glad you went Connery over the tv show and that faggy Adrian paul.

         1. Or the early female empowerment thriller Highlander: The Raven…

         2. Seriously? That exists?

         3. Yup. The star was famous for being a former Miss Arkansas/America who got fucked by Bill Clinton in the early 80’s.
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highlander:_The_Raven

         4. These fucks have to ruin everything with this agenda. Agh.

         5. please tell me that’s not a thing

         6. and you want to live forever.
            This just made my point.

         7. The Sean Connery one was the only one I saw and enjoyed it back when movies were good.

         8. It wouldn’t matter if I were immortal, eventually it would go away.

         9. Proof.

         10. give me cancer now

      2. There can only be one

      3. Dude, every guy on this site has watched that movie at least 14 times.

         1. I didn’t even know that faggy TV version and that dyke version even existed until now.

         2. Wait for it, they’re trying to do a remake of the original.

         3. Roosh needs to post a new poll
            How many times have you seen Highlander?
            -at least 10 times
            -at least 100 times
            -EVERY FUCKING TIME its on TV
            -I have a poster of Christopher Lambert on the ceiling above my bed

         4. Outside of the immortality part of the show, the only unrealistic thing in it was that they had a pretty girl in Scotland.

         5. Really? I found that more believable than a Scotsman playing a Spaniard or a Frenchman playing a Scotsman

         6. If there is a pretty girl to be found in Scotland, she’s probably a tourist. What the fuck were my people thinking in leaving Ireland and leaving behind the pretty girls?

         7. The faggy TV version wasn’t it?

         8. Nope. Supposedly it’s to modernize the original or some nonsense. So far it’s been stuck in developmental hell but they’ve been inching towards it within recent years. When I first heard the news I was reminded what the creator of “The Crow” comic book said about Hollywood, comparing the stories artists write and people love as a tree and everyone involved in the industry as a dog that has to walk up and piss on it.

   3. “Ive always been scared by the thoughts of living forever”
      “exited to see what comes when i die.”
      If your thinking of eternal life in some form, I think there is a contradiction in your reasoning somewhere.

      1. Not one bit.

4. My grandfather is in his early 90s, and he’s a shell of his former self. He’ll tell a story, and within 30 seconds, repeat the story verbatim. Then he’ll tell it 20 more times while I visit him. Unless you can delay the effects of old age, receiving more years will be a curse more than a blessing. Sure, you may live to be 90 or 100, but if you’re too frail and fragile to leave the house and too mentally unstable to know what day it is, what’s the point?

   1. My great-grandmother lived into her mid-90’s and from the sound of her voice despite still being sharp as a tack, was ready to go. She sounded bored, exhausted and just ready to leave.
      Since then, living to a ripe old age has been a discussion of contention between my sister and myself.

      1. My grandfather, a farmer, was the same. Sharp and on it and up at 4 a.m. to milk the cows well into his 80’s. Then his hip finally gave from 80 years of farm work. He actually tried to just lie down and die on the couch in the farm house, but the family wouldn’t let him. Instead they sent him to a nursing home where he spent 7 years managing pain in a bed as his mind completely deteriorated.
         It was pretty eye opening to see how fast dementia sets in after you stop physically moving. I will not let that happen to me. I’ll finish the job myself before I become immobile.

         1. Most of the relatives from my grandparents era were in relatively good shape for their age until 75 or so; by the time they were 77 or 78, they were falling apart and most passed around 80 or a few years afterwards. 75-80 yrs seems to be enough.

         2. Nursing homes are bullshit and a money sink for the insurance racket. Don’t you wish you could wring the bastards for the 100k’s upon 100k’s the geriatric care racket bilked for all those years of bed pan care? Just think, half a mil could buy land, guns, a good fishing boat, all sorts of cool stuff. I never thought much of ‘geriatrics’ as a medical title or a respected field in medicine. What does a ‘geriatric’ doctor do? They do nothing but pump pain pills into clinically dead people and they administer life support while they bilk their share of the money.

      2. I wouldn’t mind living into my 90s as long as I had my shit mostly together. My great grandmother lived to be 104, and didn’t start to seriously deteriorate until she was about 102. But I had one grandfather die after battling Alzheimer’s for several years, getting to the point to where he couldn’t speak or recognize any of us. And my other grandfather, as mentioned above, has dementia. The two things I don’t want: 1) Live in pain/without a clear mind 2) Be a burden on my children.

         1. Role model: James Michener, famous writer. He stayed sharp as ever writing and editing and publishing books until he was 96 years old. At that point he needed daily kidney dialysis, which he tolerated for a couple years, then finally said nah, enough of this. He said goodbye to everyone and then, at age 99, pulled the plug on himself while everyone watched.

         2. My grandmother did the same at 86. She told my mom, “this isn’t living.” Took her 2 weeks to die after refusing dialysis. The nurses at her old folks home called her the mirical woman (for living 2 weeks).

         3. “Role model: James Michener”
            Thanks for making me aware of this writer.

         4. Check out his book Iberia, a nonfiction history of Spain. I used it when I travelled there a few years ago.

   2. I think the whole point of radical life extension is to remain young though, not to linger in poor health for as long as possible.
      When people say they are tired of life, I think what they mean is that they are tired of living with poor health.
      Not that I necessarily support it, but just saying…

      1. True. I’ve never seen a healthy 80 year old who was ready to go. But I have seen deteriorating 70-75 year olds who were tired of living.

         1. My Father is, just roofed his shop last week…He’ll be 80 next January. He did 100 push-ups on his 75th birthday. If one has the right genetics it is possible.My Grandfather, on my Mother’s side, plowed 40 acres with a team of mules until he was 80…had to stop when the mules died.

         2. Hah! I got a good laugh out of that last sentence. Way to go, gramps!

         3. I have several relatives who made it to 85-103 and every single one of them were out walking in the woods, by themselves, just weeks or even days before dying. But there is a pattern to the ones you mention. They sit around and don’t take the long walks, for example. And they eat cookies/cake several times a week because they say they want to have a nice time. They also never re-tank their vitamins and minerals, which is THE most important thing you do in your life. Especially considering the fact that food has been depleted so much of nutrition and is basically unnatural, especially in the United States.

         4. My grandpa never saw the inside of a hospital until five days before he died at age 93. He never exercised, drank whiskey daily, ate mostly red meat and potatoes in cream sauces, and brushed his teeth once a week whether they needed it or not lol. He was also a son of a bitch who cruelly neglected his daughter, e.g. my mother.
            On paper, he should’ve died much sooner. But genetics clearly plays a role.

         5. THE most important thing you do in your life = Taking Kratom

         6. Archie Moore, one of my favorite boxers, who passed away 4 days before his 85th birthday was in his right mind until the end. He developed age related heart problems that took his life. Archie Moore was light heavyweight champion of the world from 1952 to 1962 having dethroned the previous champion, Joey Maxim by unanimous decision. He also was the all time KO king of boxing having knocked out 141 opponents in over 200 fights. Ring Magazine named him number 4 in their list of the top 100 punchers in boxing and the number 2 greatest light heavyweight of all time. He was 22 when he began pro boxing as a middle weight, but grew into a light heavyweight. He tried 2x to win the heavyweight championship, but was defeated by Rocky Marciano and Floyd Patterson. One of his best fights took place in 1958 when he was dropped 3times in round 1 by the light heavyweight champion of Canada, Yvon Durrelle. He survived the round and was dropped again in the 5th. He then got up and dropped Durrelle twice, finally knocking him out in the 11th round. This interview was taken about 6 months before his passing.
            https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QRPr7VKPwqQ https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QRPr7VKPwqQ

         7. There is restoration branches of medicine that seek treatments such as growing artificial organs, maintaining vitality, and ultimately the prevention of aging. Wakefield Baptist currently has a program that manufactures hearts grown from an organ scaffold germinated with adult stem cells. They’ve had considerable success; the biggest obstacle is the scientists cannot get the cells that set off our heartbeat to regulate properly. I don’t know all the details.
            However, you make a great point. Restorative medicine also highlights exercise and diet as crucial to preventing disease. Why give someone a new organ if they’ve abused the body they already own? The branch of medicine has also shown that proper sun protection can likely prevent up to 80% of the outward signs of aging. The U.S. is notoriously in love with tanning, people regular cook their skin in high powered UV radiation.
            Fact is, if they can put a price on anti-aging medicine and even new organs that won’t reject, people will pay that price.
            According to the Christian bible, man’s days are numbered to roughly a 100 years.

      2. I disagree about being tired of life.
         I’m 40, and I’ve HAD it with the stupid, ignorant, and indigent.
         If we cannot euthanize them, I’ll go first. Just to get the F away from them and the mental diarrhea they spew…

         1. Yep. If I could live off by myself or with like-minded responsible and productive people living forever would be nice. Living with the present state of humanity is tiresome. It’s just one careless, irresponsible, selfish unthinking asshole after the next.
            Today I came out of the grocery store finding a cart rammed into the fender of my car. It’s my winter car, but still. I parked in the back. Away from everyone. The car is dented. Paint transferred from the cart to the car. Someone either just pushed the cart towards my car or they left it somewhere where the wind and gravity would take it. It takes seconds to put the cart somewhere where it won’t roll. But that basic effort is beyond so many people.
            It’s this constant dealing with people who won’t make the basic effort. It’s whatever is the lowest energy state for them. They push the effort of life in civilization off on to others. They have no respect for anyone else. They use the state to leach off those of us who produce. Then there’s the ruling class that does the same. That’s the tiresome part of life on this planet.

         2. I also have moments like that…

         3. “I disagree about being tired of life.
            I’m 40, and I’ve HAD it with the stupid, ignorant, and indigent.
            If we cannot euthanize them, I’ll go first. Just to get the F away from them and the mental diarrhea they spew..”
            I was thinking the same thing. And these are NOT the times to be a white heterosexual male.

         4. We want to improve life, not kill people — as in mass abortions.

         5. “Some men plain need killing.”

         6. I’m with you.
            The problem is, you have those who think the Non-Aggression Principle is god – but won’t then apply aggression to those coward collectivists who send someone else with a gun to harm you. No, can’t hurt the collectivist! Despite their willingness to kill you…
            No matter how many times I point out the inconsistency, they won’t deal with the problem…
            It would involve aggression.
            See, I could accept a principled pacifist more readily than that.
            As to the casually cruel? Grew up with that. They’ve EARNED my hatred.
            They sheep. If Sheep and Wolves lived the same life span, the sheep would pass laws constricting the wolves… then expand those laws to deal with everyone that made the sheep feel “unsafe.”
            Sound familiar?
            Yet those sheep won’t accept that others are STILL given “fang and claw” to enforce the rules.
            “Sheep dogs” could never become wolves… Unless Dear leader / Der Fuhrer commands, of course, for our OWN good…
            There’s no explaining to these people. This election will likely be stolen, just as I believe the last several have been. (Again, I’m 40 – how many elections you think I mean? at least 5, more like 40. LIKELY more than that – google “Mercantilism,” splice that into the American Revolution, you’ll read “Globalism” real fast…)
            The system ain’t broke – it’s doing what it was supposed to, present the illusion of choice and keep us tax cattle in productive harnesses.
            We need to STAND and DELIVER. And pay the price afterwards.
            I’ll suggest you follow my lead (Meaning, don’t go first.)

         7. According to them, I’m not.
            But some of us know reality, and that we are outliers.
            The MAJORITY must be able to survive. That’s not the elites or the “non-productive.”
            but TPTB will class you as a “Useless Eater.” I class them that way, as I think – from the numbers of “my kind” swelling the ranks of humanity – that there’s a concerted attempt to make more like me. Interferons, antihormones, pollutants (acting like estrgen), thalidomide, thimerrosol, and enough “inoculations” to kill a horse, let alone an infant…. Not to mention the indoctrination via mass media….
            Take a GOOD look at the “base state” of humanity. We had fewer conveniences, but better DNA just TWENTY years ago – let alone 50!
            And look at the indoctrination happening in schools and TV/films, now,
            If we don’t start fighting, and SOON, there soon won’t be anything to fight FOR.

         8. Well worded. Packed with good slogans. I could throw darts at your piece and land on at least as many good captions for bumper stickers.

         9. When someone tells me something is broken I respond that it is working as designed. People think those influencing, running, and operating government have the same goals they do. The simple fact is they do not. If they do they are just as useful idiots as the people who vote for them. Things are working as they are designed to work.
            We are living in more or less Hamilton’s vision for the USA. There was good reason he was shot, but he still won.
            The problem with action is that doesn’t do any good when the masses still think government is legitimate. The person who takes action ends up dead or rotting in a prison cell or with his life ruined.
            As to standing up to people, that is punished from the time we are small children. If you stand up to any aggression the system punishes. At least that was my experience.
            But yes, statists will never leave people alone. There’s no hiding from them. The very fact someone is living free of their dictates offends them. Even people who live out in the middle of desert can find themselves harassed.

      3. And what do most people in good health achieve in their youth? Almost nothing. Most don’t have a cohesive life goal or goals. Most are not disciplined to learn new skills or hone their already learned skills to perfection. What is the point of living long as a youth, and having little to show for it? Jesus Christ was only 33 years old when he died. The world is still talking about him today. King Tut died at 19. He is more popular than most folks alive today.
         The point is to live well, not necessarily live long.

         1. “Youth is wasted on the young”
            I think that would be the main advantage of life extension.
            Few people figure out what they really should have done before it`s too late.

         2. I wonder if that’s part of “the plan”?

   3. That’s statins at work. Avoid crisco. ”REAL BUTTER is better.” Eat whole raw eggs. The brain needs good source cholesterol. Wash it down with ginko tea. Take away his awful flickering TV and plop a Rubik’s cube down in front of him when he’s idle.

      1. You are somewhat right, but I don’t know how much. It has been studied that statins have little good health improvement evidence, despite being effective at lowering cholesterol. It is also accepted that cholesterol should be at higher levels in elderly people because it is na essencial componente of celular membrane and elderly cells have lower cholesterol uptakes.
         But excessive cholesterol levels are indeed atherogenic and that is a solid fact.

   4. One of my worst fears is aging, not so much being “old” as far as the calendar is concerned, but having an old body. I’m close to 30 and am stronger now than I ever was and am more ripped and muscular and as quick and fast as I was at 19. If I could be 80 and be the same physically as I am today, that would be ideal. My granddad just turned 81 and had a stroke about a week later. He’s in a nursing home now and when I visit him, I see the elderly men there and think to myself that they were once young and strong men like me many years ago but age has brought along fragility and illness some 50 or 60 years later which made them shells of themselves.
      And I know that no matter how much I take care of myself eventually father time will get me. I do amateur boxing, back in the 1950s my granddad was a golden gloves champion. Today he can hardly feed himself or do anything for himself. The sickness and fragility of old age is what scares me.I took some test, but anyway the test said based on my information I could expect to live 86 to 90 years. So from today I can expect 55 to 60 more years until that permanent sleep, but I hope to be in good health until the very last minute.

      1. The trick is to rapidly discover why you are here, and to pursue it with laser-like focus when you still have the energy. There is nothing more pathetic than an energetic but aimless old man.

5. I have extreme longevity on both sides of my family. The idea that I might still have another 60 years in me is intolerable and abhorrent. Hell, most days I would trade the lot for 5 good years. Who are these people who want to live forever? Crazy if you ask me.

   1. Agreed. I’ve never understood why my sister freaks out about death. Then again, we’ve taken completely different paths in life and I suspect I’ve lived mine a little better than her.

   2. I actually think I’d enjoy living forever, in a way. I’d get to bang the young nubile granddaughters of people who are not even born yet. I mean how fucking cool is that? Every ten years a new crop of beauties, and here I am, not getting older. Win. Even if I royally fuck up and get put in jail for something “for life” eventually the society would collapse and out I am again. Win. Me and compound interest would form a very intimate relationship. Win. The only hard part would be keeping a moral system in place, because after a while you’re going to realize that you really don’t have to follow many actual rules.
      Plus I’m comfortable in my own company. Most people who think they want to live forever probably should think about why they complain about being bored on a rainy Sunday before making that leap, is all I’m saying.

      1. I feel the same way about my own company. I think whatshisface has the right of it when he says the problems of the world can all be boiled down to mans inability to sit in a room quietly by himself or whatnot.
         Being young, fit, wealthy, healthy for eternity sounds good. But generation after generation of fuck up and generation after generation of girls being the same…eventually it would be enough to make you want to kill yourself (Robert Heinlein’s Time Enough For Love deals well with this topic and I highly recommend)

         1. Read it. I’m down with Heinlein.
            The fuck up would stop mattering to me, actually. My political ideology would be pointless. I’d probably view it as a huge comedy more than anything, and make a whole wad of dough off of “predicting” each society’s downfalls once I got used to the patterns enough to know the exact timing of such things.
            Girls already are all the same. Big deal. I still like to fuck them.

         2. agreed about girls, but I feel I lose a little every generation. After 20 generations of banging them I would be done.

         3. Then take a couple of generations off. It’s like when you put down a hobby for a while because you get bored with it. You move on, do other things, then one day you think “Man, I really miss doing XYZ” and you start up an obsession with it again. Or is that just me?

         4. But what about the flavor that each breath has knowing that from the moment you are born your clock is running?

         5. Admittedly, you will lose the “rush” of mortality, knowing that you will eventually die. I don’t think immortality, or an incredibly extended lifespan, is for everyone. I would enjoy an extended lifespan, but I also am driven and like to learn new things and try out new hobbies. If worse comes to worse, I’ll veg out on futuristic video games for a decade or two.

         6. I’d suspect that adjustments would need to be made philosophically.

         7. 5000 years of pornhub

         8. Ah geez…could you imagine how degenerate it will be in another 100 years? It’s already bad enough.

         9. Or it could go completely the other direction. The 1700’s were quite degenerate, at least among the elite, 100 years later they were all prudish Victorians. You just never know.

         10. Imagine? That would be a helluva investment…gotta get in early

         11. at that point it will be like “let’s watch an interracial splenectomy”

         12. It would be all downhill after Buck rogered the 25th Century and uploaded the footage

         13. Victorians invented the Prince Albert and loved BDSM.

         14. It can’t get more degenerate while still having running water. Things looked pretty bad a few years before the Renaissance

      2. I’d love to watch the progress (an ambiguous term I know) of humanity as a fly on the wall. Spend a hundred years amassing a fortune and then just disappear into the crowd to watch what humanity makes of itself.

         1. Yep. My people watching skill is highly honed, I’m fascinated watching how people act and interact. Even if I know what’s coming, it’s fun to watch the drama of it all sometimes.

         2. reminds me of one of my favorite games….sitting in a public place and watching someone and creating a totally made up though feasible back story for them

         3. Heh, that’s good. I like to take the room of wherever I’m at, and then try to figure out by observation what roles everybody would assume if the room were magically teleported to a deserted, but hospitable planet. It’s especially fun to play this in WalMart.

         4. That is a good one too.

         5. Hahahaha…..I do that shit ALL THE TIME! haha. I always try to guess who will be the first fucker to need an ass whooping for trying crown himself the Lord of the Flies.

         6. Its even better people watching near Christmas, when you have all your stuff bought.

      3. I would become the ultimate Polymath : the first mma world champion, olympic weightlifting champion, space explorer then space emperor, philosopher, theologian, music composer, master of all music instruments, painter, surgeon…

         1. Exactly. There is so much to do in life that it would be hard for even an immortal to fulfill all of his dreams I’d think. And new stuff is being invented all the time. The possibilities are endless.

         2. …

         3. PLEASE LEAVE ME ALONE !!!
            http://images-cdn.moviepilot.com/images/c_fill,h_512,w_1024/t_mp_quality/wfgtvbfov4eqdxbcf5tu/what-ever-happened-to-viral-star-chris-crocker-his-fame-fueled-life-after-leave-britney-381572.jpg

         4. I’ll always be here, Monsieur…haunting your dreams and your Disqus account.

         5. That’s why I’m kind of hoping against hope that this article is wrong 🙂

      4. After a while, sex gets old. It’s biological in that you have to scratch that itch, like eating.

      5. You would go insane and no one would want to keep company with you. You would become a leper. An outcast. IIRC the Roman solider who speared Christ was cursed with immortality on this earth.
         If you live in enough pain, death would be a welcome guest.

         1. Are you sit you don’t mean the Wandering Jew? Cause Longinus (the spear guy) is revered as a saint, which only happens after you’re dead.

   3. If you know God, or you’re healthy enough to be religious, you understand how satanic it is.
      As long as I have a son who outlives me, and my lineage continues, I don’t care if I die tomorrow or in fifty years.
      I’d obviously LIKE to fulfil my destiny (and I think achieving good health and a connection with God has allowed me to see what it is), but if I don’t live very long, as long as I have a son, I don’t mind too much.
      Most people who want to live forever for the sake of their own vanity are deeply disconnected from God. I find having large bags under one’s eyes and/or wearing glasses prematurely – a symptom of toxic metal accumulation in the body and the brain – to be widely shared by degenerates and those with demonic values. E.g. George Soros, Bill Gates.

      1. I don’t want to live forever and I have no belief in God. That said, I can see how people who do feel a connection with an eternal god have an easier time forgoing an eternal life on earth thanks in part to the eternal life in wherever or as part of whomever.
         As for the demon eye bags, I think you took a sharp left there and I just can’t follow.

         1. It’s not a rational trade-off as you see it. It just is. I know I’ll die and that will be the end of Me – but I’ll be connected once more with my creator. In the basest naturalist and empiricist terms, as I dissolve into the ground. But it is not that, because that explain does not consider the Soul. Indeed science is incapable of handling Truth in such a way – it can only deal with cognition.
            Generally people with evil belief systems are malnutritioned or have gone insane from an imbalance of minerals and nutrients in their body, which has led over time to the accumulation of heavy metals in places like the brain and liver, leading to a malfunctioning brain, at least. I could go into it at length if you desire. In summary, I can refer to my own example. I went from being an atheist hedonist feminist, terrified of death and deeply sinful, to a Godly traditionalist, in the space of about 2 years. I didn’t intend for this to happen, I just wanted to get healthy. But as I did – eating a lot of organic vegetables (75%) and organic meat (with every meal), and taking a lot of supplements, it happened naturally.
            We are, at root, biological machines. We need fuel just like a robot would. The problem today is that industrial agriculture and overpopulation has so stripped food (it contains 1/2 to 1/10th of the minerals and nutrients it did in the 1930s, already 60 years into the industrial agriculture revolution) of it’s nutritional qualities that most people are living really shallow half lives, and have gone insane. It’s no coincidence that the most insane historical movements – communism, feminism, nazism and globalism, have come about in the industrial agriculture era.
            I know you’re fairly health conscious so I’m sure given time, without radical interventionism like I practiced, you will also come to feel God. Two minerals that every man today must supplement though are zinc and boron, which are responsible for testosterone creation and copper metabolism (some say the working of the third eye) respectively. The food today, even red meat which used to contain Zinc plentifully, is extremely lacking in these two highly essential nutrients, and few can be truly healthy without them.

         2. Youre right about the lack of nutrition in our food. I honestly think there is zero nutrition in your food, unless you are fortunate enough to be able to afford organic. Our soil is pretty much dead, nothing would grow at this point if not for the fertilizer.

         3. I take no issue to pretty much anything you say here and, when it comes to modern farming and agriculture ripping all the good stuff out of food I am with you 100%, I just can’t follow you in having to bring god and morality into it.
            Healthy people who live a healthy life style will have healthy bodies if they are religious or not I think.
            I feel like your overarching idea is that if you are healthy you will eventually come to have a relationship with god as a byproduct of living a healthy life. While I can respect the thinking, I just can’t get on board.

         4. Sure, I understand. Past me would also have been skeptical.
            If you are interested in just the health aspect though, check out http://www.drlwilson.com. His website is extremely useful in explaining the principles of good health and returning to good health.
            The point I started on was copper toxicity / cooper elimination. A good test of your toxicity – and most people today are malfunctioning to some degree and have developed toxic accumulation – is to eat a diet of 75% dry-cooked vegetables for a week, along with zinc supplements. If you get headaches, ballaches and muscle aches, that means that your body is releasing accumulated toxic metals, especially copper, and this is hurting you as the toxins are flowing through your bloodstream, and out of your body.

         5. Now that is something interesting that I might consider giving a try to.

         6. I believe in God, but I don’t follow his reasoning either :/

         7. Yeah. No disrespect meant. Just an odd logic jump. Who knows…maybe he is right

      2. also, I have a soft spot for satan. I always root for the underdog.
         As a side note, I also like the mets.

         1. “As a side note, I also like the mets.”
            The Cleveland Brown Fan Club would welcome you with open arms.

      3. But…you just described like every old person ever :/

6. Also, I hate when soylent green is put down as a dystopia. On of the articles that I will never write, but say I will is going to be 5 Dystopian Worlds that are actually Utopias. Brave New World will be right there at the top. Also, Footloose. A town with no dancing! Sign me up. Soylent green. Farenheit 451. These all sound like great worlds to set up shop in.

   1. But … but … Soylent Green is people !!!

      1. Soylent Green is an efficient use of scarce resources!!!!

         1. Soylent Green is delicious.

      2. fuck people.

   2. Farenheit 451 would be awful. I like reading far too much to see living in a world like that.

      1. We’re already there, except for the firemen and the laws.

         1. Just wait. You didnt hear about the book burning in S Africa? They were burning books deemed “too white”. On a college campus no less…

         2. So, basically, we’re not there yet? Heh. Or we’re there with 1984, except for Big Brother and IngSoc?

         3. How many people actually read anymore? How many people are addicted to their electronic devices (think the TV “family”)?

         4. Hold on…I’m almost to the next level on Candy Crush.

         5. Lots of people read. I heard the same thing in the 1980’s about television, but bookstores were cropping up everywhere. Now e-books are big money. People read.

         6. People act surprised that this kind of thing would happen on campus, but I don’t see why it’s surprising. Wherever Leftism (socialism) has its strongest hold is where it is boldest. In the 1800’s it’s strongest hold was in factories with unions, so they were the violent thugs and made up a large portion of the revolutionaries and book burners at the time. Today Leftism has swallowed the Educational establishment, so that’s where you’ll find the thugs and book burning. Where they feel most comfortable is where they act out the most. They are a disease, and an easily identifiable and predictable one.

         7. I’m fine with big brother….I especially like their search engine and webmail service.

         8. I read a lot, but they don’t get a dime from me. I steal all my content. muhahaha

         9. Thanks, but no thanks.

         10. In Somalia, before modern troubles, people used to live to 100-120 on a simple diet of vegetables and camel meat/milk.
             Ancient Persian texts talk about Macrobians, who freaked Persians out so much with their 100 year old leaders that the expanding Empire chose to stay well away.
             “Radical” life extension is possible in a non-satanic way through the understanding of Nature and God, but it will require so many sacrifices and so much real austerity that few people that dream of it today are humble, disciplined and Godly enough to be able to achieve it. Indeed, they would rather turn Nature upside down to achieve their satanic dream. And this is why when or if they succeed, at best they will create a Hell in which they live forever.

         11. Reading is one form of entertainment you can enjoy in solitude where you don’t bother anyone and they most likely won’t know what you’re reading.
             The only time when I read and bothers anyone is a woman who ALWAYS wants your attention.

         12. Good point. Any young men out there looking for a LTR, ask your date what they are currently reading. Ask about her literary interests (if it exists).

7. The articles premise is not backed by any scientific facts about the feasibility of making cells immortal or replacing worn out organs with bioprinted ones. The author is giving his opinion about what should happen not what will happen.
   The fact is scientists now understand what technology needs to be developed in the areas stem cells, gene therapy and bio-printing to make humans immortal. It is now an engineering problem. A lot of new technology needs to be developed in difficult areas like MEMS. But there will be no shortage of billionaires and millionaires that can buy anything but immortality willing to fund this.
   It is like going to the moon was in the 1930s. The people that understood rocketry knew that going to the mood was feasible. The 99.999% of the rest of society said it was crazy.
   The change in society that needs to happen is mandatory birth control. This is the only thing that will keep this from being a disaster. But instead, we have the so called progressives telling women to pop out all the kids they can and government will pay for them. Nothing is more sacred in western society than female choice. Government should be paying people not to have kids.

   1. Is this a bad troll? I can’t tell

      1. I’ll assume you are part of the 99.999%.

   2. The idea that mandatory birth control will lead to an escalation in the technology to make people immortal is an interesting one, I give you that.
      The analogy of rocket engineers in the ’30’s to bio-engineers (or whoever studies and creates practical tests for this stuff) now is a little more slippery. I am not disagreeing, just saying I would like to know more about which field it is that is looking into this and where are the professional journals that they are publishing in.
      The difference here is that in the ’30’s getting your hands on rocket science journals and then reading them while being a layman would have been nearly impossible. However, with the intertubes as they are, if you are really curious and willing to follow a bunch of subsidiary links so you can build enough of the requisite information the availability and even accessibility of professional journals in every field is right on your smart phone.
      Seeing as how immortality would be something that I assume is interesting to a lot of people I feel that those journals and other professional correspondence (which is probably university sponsored) is just sitting out there for anyone to discover.
      So again, I am not saying that that particular analogy is wrong…just that I would like to know more about it first. In the meantime, kudos on the connection of mandatory birth control to immortality technologies.

   3. And again where are our damn space colonies? Life extension procedures will be the province of the ultrarich. Evidence? Decades after artificial insemination, adult stem cell proven benefits and a myriad of treatments as well as the known fact that modern agriculture is killing our topsoil and nutrient content has fallen like an anvil into the sea; zero actions have been taken based on this knowledge many of the available treatments are only for rich people in todays economy.
      For decades engineers and scientists have understood and succesfully applied the principles necessary to develop escape velocity and reach the moon and other places beyond Earth’s atmosphere however there is not the slightest interest right now in space exploration despite the fact that therein lies possibly the only hope to clean our environment and acquire valuable resources (mining) without further destroying our topsoil.
      The fact is that our numbers are inconvenient for a global government and a culling of the herd is in order. Far more likely is the development of an ebola like plague7 that decimates humanity or a nuclear war. It’s a matter of when not if….

8. Being a cyborg wouldnt be that bad

   1. Thanks, Locutus.

      1. You dont wanna speak English in a Belgian accent?

         1. Who doesn’t?

         2. it’s like French but even faggier

         3. I can’t imagine living in a country where people are referred to as Phlegm.

   2. the reality is you get to strap your smartphone onto your face pretty much

9. The way this world is, why live till 120? Put me down at 50.

   1. 50?? That shit’s still young if you take care of yourself. I’m in my late 40’s and feel fantastic, like I’m still in my 20’s. 50 is just around the corner, and if somebody said “Eh, you’re too old to enjoy things, later old man” I’d shoot him.

      1. Indeed. My 20’s sucked. Too much to stress about. My 30’s are pretty rocking. I can definitely keep this up as long as I take care of myself.

         1. Yep, it’s really not hard to stay young these days, thanks to a lot of science on the subject. I’m to the point now where people routinely get my age wrong, in a good way, because most people just give up in their 40’s and start to look it. I didn’t. Turns out, if you keep up a good lifestyle, you really, really stay more youthful than your peers.

         2. Not just lifestyle, but attitude. I am usually goofing around in my martial arts class, cracking jokes and having a good time. It makes the class more fun and gets me energized.

         3. They go hand in hand I think. When I’m in the gym I’m usually always surrounded by younger people. You can’t help but keep current with the lingo and youthful optimism.

         4. “Few women, I fear, have had such reason as I have to think the long sad years of youth were worth living for the sake of middle age.”
            Dwight D. Eisenhower

         5. I worked with teenagers for almost ten years and can second this comment.

         6. This man gets it..caused he has lived it.
            I totally disagree with this article. There are NOW multiple highly effective products covering a spectrum of areas in anti-aging . And they are appearing at an ever quicker pace.
            Telomeres? Check
            Stem Cell promotion : Check
            Ultra anti-oxidant : Check
            Cellular energy : Check
            Autophagy : Check
            Just to touch on a few topics.

         7. People eat god awful shit in their 20’s. A decade of steady shit diet won’t manifest its damage right away but then there comes your ‘hard’ year when your body winds down and shit breaks permanantly from zero nutrition. They say a healthy mind can survive on ‘shoe stew’ but that’s only partially true. People in their 40’s and 50’s if they’re wise or if they want to live will learn a bit about what diet works for them, repairing previous damage and maintaining youthful stamina. Some unfortunately let their shit go and their expiration date is out of their hands.
            https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f9/Overweight_biker.jpg
            It becomes a lottery whether they’ll live each additional year.

         8. Truth. Well said.

         9. Now, are you simply shooting things to the air or do you have a solid idea about those issues?
            Telomeres are the endpoints of chromossomes and are specific of an individual’s genetic make-up. Yes, rats have them bigger and therefore are more resistant to aging and cancer, and so what?, we cannot change our telomeres.
            Stem cell promotion? Cancer promotion, have I heard it right? Promoting that cells regress to undifferentiated stages is oncogenic in its nature and a counter-sense manouvre in embriological science.
            Ultra anti-oxidants? What about citochrome reflexive downregulation?
            Cellular energy? Are you thinking about cAMP manipulation?
            Autophagy? How is that even related to this in a useful manner?
            If you ask me, the most important thing we could do (as far as research goes) is in the neuro field, especially ressolubilization of polimeric proteins in living organic tissues.

         10. Ok theres no way I can reply effectively to that many questions within the limitations of a reply here.
             We know that when telomeres are reduced or finally lost , that it is associated with aging disfunctions. IMO the evidence is that it is optimal to preserve them and there are supplements that are shown to do that .. even intensigned to do that.ve excercise. So yes, we can change our telomeres.
             NO you havent heard it right. You believe we should lose our stem cells..whaaat? Again its best to preserve what we have..and there are nutrients designed to do that.
             I would rather limit oxidative damage with what we have available .. there can always be a counter “what if ” argument to anything.
             In the end I use these products , some for many years and am exceptionally healthy. Thats me in the foto and im 57. Never had a girlfriend over 25 whether you choose to believe it or not.
             From my lived experience I say these are effective and boldly choose these strategies rather than huddle in fear and worry.

         11. How many tons of Kratom do you use?
             Now seriously, you can’t change the length of your telomeres as you can’t change any of the genetic make-up in a living, complex organism. You could use a virus as a vector, but it would not change specifically the telomeres (more likely the codifying section of the chromosome) and not all tissues alike. The liver, okay, maybe it would be possible (it’s what most hepatitis virus can do, you could theoretically draw a new virus). The brain and the cartilage (the first because of blood-brain barrier, the second because it is almost living outside of you, circulation-wise) are out of reach. Using a vector virus in a complex organism is a Pandora’s box and more sci-fi than living in Saturn, as we stand now.
             The only way you can, by now, obtain a human with bigger telomeres is to design one, from scratch. Highly forbidden, at least in Western countries, where you have scientists both competent and abbiding to the law.
             The anti-oxidant thing was fashionable a few years ago. I met solid name professors of Biochemistry who carried their vitamin E everywhere. Nowadays, most of them are afraid even to mention it. The level of epigenetic down-regulation of the citochrome systems is scarry enough to make anyone in the medical field to run away like in a Chuck film. But you have a billion dollar industry around anti-oxidants, so, let’s not spread the panic.
             I did not say we should lose our stem cells, at least more of them than it is naturally programmed to happen. The thing is undifferentiated cells are capable of morphing into anything, being it bone, skin, muscle, etc. And one of the possibilities is a cancer cell. Now, it would be normal to have a new cancer cell here and there, provided we have a proper imune response. In an older person, the immune response is more fragile and slower. You would have a younger and tougher David (cancer colony founder cell derived from an inserted stem cell) against a feeble, decrepit Goliath (immune system).
             The fact that you are healthy using those products proves nothing and is not scientific at all. My grandfather smokes since he was 14. He’s now 98 (99 in June) and was never sick. Does that prove tobacco is good for your health? I don’t think so. You may be benefiting from placebo effect (actually, most of the “professional” drugs we use, like antidepressants, are also based in placebo effect, in rates ranging from 5 to 70%, and we use them nevertheless). But don’t think it is science. It’s more faith than science. Contrary to most scientists from other fields, medicine only taught me to respect people’s believes. As for hard science, I could more easily deliver you a zombiefying virus using a Coxsackievirus sample, 25 generations of rats and simply selecting the one strain that would make you a drone than delivering any proven substance that would anyhow impact your health or life expectancy in a positive sense.

         12. John, I will try one more time by re-wording so theres less chance of misinterpretation.
             There is no placebo effect in aging. How is it that , for some strange reason I deliberately took measures decades ago to not age like those I saw around me; those and even my own brother proceeded at normal fashion and I didn’t? I dont say that in a boastful way. Its just what happened.
             You claim telomeres cannot be lengthened and yet research is out there that intensive excercise does. Thats something i did for decades. There are also substances that have research supporting lengthing effects.
             When I talk healthy I mean I havent had flu or illness in decades. Random, or coincidental with planned health program?
             I have nothing to gain by bsing you in a comments section.
             Im gonna continue to do what has worked for me and research new products. Yep your damn right there are bucketfulls of scams out there.
             I think your arguments would be most productively debated on a site like Longecity where it can be fully and rationally discussed.

         13. I didn’t want to aggravate you, simply state:
             1. Science is not able of controling the aging process or any of its elements, as we speak;
             2. You can indeed, fight the problems associated with aging, but not the aging itself. The difference is relevant, and scientifically precious. That (problems) is what you mentioned, and I agree;
             3. I congratulate your accomplishment of a good health, however, do not despise the placebo effect. It is not only important, as a thing I deem essential in one’s life. If it wasn’t the placebo effect (of thinking I will have a better life), I wouldn’t probably do a single thing in my life;
             4. Much of the annoyance you perceived in me comes from the fact I sometimes stumble into misinformed people damaging their diets and general lifestyles because of untested, unscientifical claims of panacea-like products. But I can’t (or shouldn’t) think that of you, so… apologies.

         14. Most people don’t even try. Think medicine will do it for them.

      2. You do enjoy things, just not the same kind of things 20 year olds do. The young do foolish things. We’ve been there and no longer enjoy them like getting shit faced drunk and feeling like shit the next morning.

      3. “50?? That shit’s still young if you take care of yourself. I’m in my late 40’s and feel fantastic, like I’m still in my 20’s. 50 is just around the corner”
         The coming war should put many of us in our graves whether we like it or not.
         Honestly, I definitely dont want some fucker telling me to die, but these days suck if one is a white hetero masculine male. A 50 year old man — what does he have to look foreward to? Gaming? Young hot chicks are not going to want him, and if he has any dignity and self respect he won’t be spending his time with a fat, saggy titted grandma. And unless he has a means of generating income of his own means, he’s fucked. In fact as I write this I cannot help but ask the cosmos / creator “What was the point to it all?”
         The famous Roman emperor Marcus Aurelius talks about the “rational suicide” where he talks about weighing all things in life both good and bad, and deciding if life is worth it.

   2. I agree with GOJ. Barring serious illness, 65 is a good (permeant) retirement age.

   3. I just turned 50 a couple of days ago. I feel great, there’s still gas in the tank.

   4. You will find that, as you near and then arrive at that benchmark, you are perfectly content to go on living.

10. I think whoever wrote is is completely wrong. The reason is because biop-engineering, especially for anti-aging purposes, will rapidly evolve into a “garage-level” DIY activity. Also, genetic predetermination (which is actually not the case with aging as there are no “aging genes) is no big deal because of CRISPR, which itself is becoming a DIY technique. That it becomes a DIY activity renders any political considerations irrelevant.

    1. It will ebb and flow like other technologies.
       For a while, the government will be able to legislate its use, but eventually technology will make the government incapable of enforcing it. Just like how the government is slowly losing its grip on gun control as 3D printers make it possible to create guns in your garage.

    2. Yeah, could be plausible. But yes, there might not be any “aging genes” but someone’s genetics might age faster than others.

11. I remember working for the USPS. Something like 50% of the employees were eligible for retirement. and like 55% were over the age of 65…. We had a guy at the main office who was like 96 still working. As a carrier assistant, you weren’t allowed to move up to be a full time carrier w/ benefits until these old guys retired, which they never did.

    1. Funny….it’s the same deal in academia. They will hire 5 adjuncts who, because of the union regs, can only teach 2 classes each so none of them get paid enough to survive, because some tenured professor who can retire any time he wants is teaching 1 course per semester and chatting with the department secretary because he is old and lonely. Sitting there writing a book while a bunch of young phds need to get jobs at 3 or 4 different schools or take a side job on the weekends just to maintain life.

    2. Like the Supreme Court justices.

12. The concept of eternity is a terrifying one. Let’s say for the sake of argument that there is an afterlife. That afterlife goes on and on WITHOUT END. I can’t possibly fathom it.

    1. I would think that sentient beings in a heaven would, every few thousand years, take a vacation to hell much like the wives of laputa did in gullivers travels…ya know, just for giggles.

    2. But you forget, they have Bingo.

       1. don’t forget frogurt
          

       2. I reiterate: TERRIFYING!

    3. Afterlife is not actual life. It is becoming One with the Universe. You have your time on Earth and then you die. You don’t live again. But you become part of something greater than yourself, whether you want to or not.
       The reason that transhumanists are so mightily afraid of death – whether they realise it or not – is NOT because they value their own life to an irrational extent. It is because they LOVE SIN. And we only have a chance to be sinful on this Earth.

       1. Whether you are dead or alive you’re connected to the universe. One is living another is dirt.

    4. That’s the thing. On this premise, it’d get so boring you’d eventually *want* to forget large chunks of it just to keep up interest. Not to mention make room in your brain (or whatever passes for a brain at that time) for more memories, barring unlimited storage/retrieval. Result? Apparently limited lifespans interrupted by ‘death’ or some analogue of it. Just like right now!

13. There will be further increases in average life span, as we develop effective therapies for the diseases of old age and the degenerative diseases. But the gradual wearing-out of the nervous system will be a tough problem to solve. So far, no one has found a way to get nerve tissue to regenerate. Should that continue to be the case, the human lifespan will be capped by the amount of wear and tear the central nervous system, especially the brain, can withstand.

14. As some people have chosen to be preserved cryonically since the late 1960s, it is entirely possible that some of these people might have held or articulated what today might be considered racist, sexist, or homophobic beliefs. I could easily imagine BLM protestors demanding Alcor unfreeze these “bigots” and let their brains rot in the Arizona heat so as to prevent any possibility—no matter how remote—of “contaminating” the future with the re-introduction of reactionary thinking.

    Or else we will sound way ahead of our time, and we’ll fit right into the Neoreactionary society of the future.
    Fortunately Jews have played important roles in cryonics since its beginning, and that gives cryonauts the advantages of the Jew Shield.

15. Speaking of the future, I’ve joked that if women in, say, the 24th Century, still read and write romance novels, they might fantasize about the early 21st Century as a time of “real men” who put the effete men of the 2300’s to shame.
    I doubt the equivalent of bodice-ripper covers in the 24th Century will show imaginary handsome men of our time dressed in kilts, however.

16. God Almighty, Lord Jesus Christ LOVES you.
    This article made me think back on this I read earlier: http://www.jesusisprecious.org/truths/time_is_running_out.htm
    LIFE goes on for the Christian or “born again believer” of Lord Jesus Christ. Amen.
    ~ Sincerely,
    Bro. Jed

17. Any discussion of death with out reference to the Cross is just fanny-jousting larping.
    http://www.peterkreeft.com/topics-more/case-for-life-after-death.htm

18. I have an alternate theory on why these amazing discoveries won’t happen for us: Progressives and SJWs will move our nation forward and we will rediscover the light bulb sometime around year 3200.

    1. I think you’re right. Esp. considering they are hell bent to give Iran nukes & missiles to launch em on.

    2. As long as one guy in a wig is denied access to a women’s bathroom the lefts fight against the 1% can wait.

19. Great article Waldemar, I’m always surprised at the amount of proles who don’t realize that ancient mortality rates were largely influenced by the great number of infant deaths.
    The elderly are an economic disaster waiting to happen. Social Security will surely be bankrupt, and a large portion of these people have little to nothing saved for retirement.
    The body unquestionably deteriorates, but I’ve always wondered if there could be a way to preserve the brain outside of the human body’s support.

    1. I think a computer hooked up in parallel until all brain activity moves over naturally would work.

20. The real reason immortality will never happen:
    Once you get that cell rejuvenating potion your luck runs out when you get shot in the head by some black gangbanger.

21. Some assumptions:
    Today’s average life expectancy in Western countries: approx. 80 years
    Frail life years: approx. 10% of life => 8 years
    Future average life expectancy in Western countries after the introduction of some life extension therapies: 100 years
    Frail life years: approx. 10% (unchanged) = 10 years
    Result: If “frail years” is a more or less constant percentage of total life years, adding 20 years to our lives will result in 18 additional healthy years and only 2 more frail years.
    Conclusion: Sounds like a good deal, doesn’t it?

    1. More likely the years added with be bedridden hooked up to machines.

22. I completely disagree and firmly believe in cryogenics. But I get that many people here are Christians and ideas like this can not be understood. At the same time, I do believe that people are better off living under Christianity than atheism.

    1. Two words: Freezer burn.

       1. I want to see someone’s brain defrosted and hooked up to an artificial body as proof of concept.

          1. First thing they’d say, “Dang…I’m cold.”

23. Picture of the day. Look at the lineup of Scandinavian defense ministers. Those Scandinavians think they can cherry pick lesbians?? Sheeeit. Just look at Russia’s defense minister. WOOW!! Now that’s what a REEAL lesbian looks like. Dang she’d dominate every last one of those dumb bitches.
    https://theuglytruth.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/defense-minister.jpg
    Seriously he looks like a fine defense minister. I once knew a lady at the quickie mart who resembled him though. She must have done roids or something. She had to be the butchest woman on Earth. Now get a load of Norway’s defense minister on the left with the bowl haircut. Damn does she look like the bitch in the hamburger helper commercial or what? They honestly LOOK like they just came out of the teachers lounge at the elementary school. I bet they SMELL like a PTA meeting too.

    1. I posted that pic on the wifes social media and all our russia acquiantances laughed their asses off.
       Weakness invites attack and Europe is seeking a master.

24. Dear Science People,
    You keep my eggs fresh into my 90’s…ima kill you. Who’d wanna be a 90-sumpin mommy of a toddler? Let alone 100s old mother of a teen. Shudder.

25. I am happy with just living until 75-80 years. Who wants to live 100 plus years on theis planet especially the way it is now.

26. And yet we will afix bayonets and fight. Be the happy warrior my friends. Look foward to burning down their deluded little worlds and let the enemy rediscover how frail the thin viel of civilization is.

27. I must say, I’m disappointed. I was hoping I could devote a few hundred years to the manly arts, until I reach the point where I can vaporize SJWs just by staring at them really hard.

28. I doubt women could handle rejuvenation any way. Just imagine if a woman lives long enough to earn the 10,000- Cock Stare.

    1. No need to imagine just wait a decade.

29. Michael Moore who gleefully declares that “whites are like dinosaurs going extinct.”
    Ahh the irony coming from the jowels of a childless, rotund fat fuck who just entered the hospital for a triple bypass.
    If these are the type of whites going extinct I say – amen. May whites with genetics like him die out and be replaced with whites who have a stronger moral and physical constitution. Survival of the fittest – you atheistic fatboy !

30. The best laid plans of men can , within the blink of an eye , be rent asunder by God. Take care of your body – but focus on the soul. For , at a moments notice, it can all end.

31. Living forever or for a very long time is perfectly economically viable if we had a productive free market economy where things got cheaper over time as human productivity increased. It’s not viable because those in power want to maintain the ages old pyramidal system where they are on top with a wide and tall base of serfs, peasants, and slaves below them where inflation eats away at saved capital and interest rates are zero or worse. It’s also not viable when generational theft through the state is considered an acceptable practice.
    The technology will come about or already has come about. We, the serfs/peasants/slaves just won’t have access to it. That will be the solution of the elite. It will be for them and only for them. While I believe simple rent seeking and greed explains the past century of interventions in the medical industry and present interventions are designed to suck more wealth into the medical industry while patching over the consequences of the engineered high prices a little longer, technology leading to longer lives may be playing a role. Ordinary people need to be denied access and if medical care is socialized then it will be rationed politically and thus regular people will not have access to the new technology no matter how much wealth they can put together.

32. “The thought of death and the idea of not-existing should scare anyone who feels he is unique and has differentiated himself from the teeming mass of humanity in thought or deed.”
    Each individual is unique, literally, as no one else can exactly (100%) replicate your specific combination of history, genetics, experiences, memories and so forth.
    Not existing didn’t bother me for the first ten billion years or so of this particular universe, prior to my birth, so in theory I shouldn’t be bothered by not existing on the other end of the time scale.
    I prefer to focus more on seeing that I’m actually living this life now. Think back on the past week, month, year, or decade, and ask yourself what percentage of that time you really “lived.” What parts do you really remember clearly?
    I’m in midlife, and when I mentally try to recall earlier episodes of my life, I can maybe pull together twenty or thirty really vivid highlights, with a lot of stuff in between that I just have to assume took place even though I can’t remember it in detail at this moment.
    Right off the top, you can take away your first five years — few people have memories from infancy, after all. Take away all the time spent in dreamless sleep or dreams you can’t remember. (I have one or two dreams from childhood I still remember vividly, strangely enough.) Take away all the boring, repetitious moments and hours where nothing particularly interesting happened (sitting in waiting rooms, in traffic, on hold, whatever.) Out of an 80 year long life, how much did we really “live”? Or will we come to the end of our life and realize we missed out on ninety percent of it?

33. It’s true we are genetically designed to die, in order to get out of the way of the next generation, whose mutations allow evolution.
    But this article doesn’t address the exponential growth and development of AI. It is not unlikely we will achieve the “singularity” in our lifetimes, when AI equals human intelligence. Then it takes off from there.
    At that point an AI who is as more intelligent than us, as we are to cats, could re-engineer human DNA to live forever, or “download” human brains into some freshly spawned human body or other super-advanced robotic.

34. Exhume Confederate generals from their graves?! What the fuck is wrong with people! The fervour with which Leftists are trying to erase history to try and prove their way is the ‘one true’ way is disgusting. History, and the dead, are sacrosanct, and should be respected, studied and understood so we don’t repeat the mistakes of the past.
    Honestly, redpilled Americans, on your behalf, I am truly abhorred.

35. Those of you that don’t care that the elite don’t want you to live longer should investigate Epitalon…

36. The Elites will see life extension but we proles will not…state sponsored Euthanasia, sterilization, mandatory ‘do not resuscitate’ (DNR) orders and organ harvesting are what await us slobs in the brave new world.

37. If you want wisdom on how to live a long and healthy life look at traditional chinese medicine or ayurvedic practices. The average doctor has a shorter lifespan than the average person-why the fuck would you listen to him?

    1. That’s because their ex wives can enjoy 1/2 their salary better when they don’t have to deal with a surgeons schedule.

38. Terrible article.
    Your first two points are good, but there’s not going to be some vast conspiracy to prevent a cure for ageing. Major industries get destroyed all the time and there’s little the ‘elites’ can do about it. The Soviet Union collapsing halved the US defence budget, despite the alleged power of the military-industrial complex. Self-driving cars will soon collapse entire industries, affecting not just millions if employees but their employers as well.
    The main objection to living longer is simply that the human body is incredibly complicated and difficult to tinker with. Like you said, most of what we’ve done is just good hygiene, a safer environment and antibiotics, plus a few things like pacemakers.
    In theory, genetic engineering should work. Many other creatures are much longer lived than us – turtles, some sea creatures, a great number of plants. By splicing properly and through trial and error we could get there. There’s also the idea of using nanobots to patrol the bloodstream and make micro-repairs to anything damaged, though some (like Elon Musk) have questioned if this is practical.
    I was born in the 1990s. According to the official data, I have about a 50% chance of living till 2070. This gives scientists 55 years to overcome these obstacles. The human genome was only first sequenced 10 years ago, and we’ve already made great strides since then. I think the odds, while far from certain, and not hopeless. Maybe even over 50%.
    The final wild card is the speed at which AI develops. If supercomputers millions of times smarter than a human being are in existence by 2050, perhaps we could just ask nicely for them to make us immortals? The world could be transformed drastically overnight.

    1. You forgot to mention that things like self-driving cars, smartphones and the like are not designed and developed by rookies in their garage but by giant corporations in many cases in tandem with the traditional car producers for their own reasons, hence your argument is invalid.

39. 1: True
    2: False, you are just uneducated on the matter.
    3: False and True. For the masses it is a no-go. For the rich elite it is something different. Like steven jobs or bill gates hitting 200. Humankind does benefit greatly from some rare geniuses and if they could live longer.
    4: It is a matter of money. It will cost. A lot. Like 100K/year past 90. 500K/year past 100, 1m/year past 110.
    There has been a hollywood movie a few years ago when lifetime was money. I think the general idea of this concept is our future. Those who are poor will make it to 50 or 60 (less than today), while those with money will be fit into their tripledigits.
    Money rules the world. Today more than in the past and tomorrow even more.

40. We get ‘hospice’ and Rockefellers get six heart transplants, which he says makes him feels young – how quaint.

41. Actually genetic engineering could greatly extend lifespans, but when achieved only the elite will be able to afford it and won’t let on it can be done.
    Everything else will be like providing insulin to diabetics and will add a couple of decades but the life span is genetically determined.

42. Adaptability is also included in our genome. Specifically for intelligence. You’re IQ can increase by +-30 points. People in ghettos are dumb because of genetics, but have atrophied to subhuman levels through lack of attention to their most important organ.
    Old age is mostly luck and environment. Whether DNA repair catches that single mutation that breaks the cell cycle or if your cells divide too much determines whether you die. Half of the people at 30 have already lost this lottery.
    The other points are excellent. Great article.

43. 1. Yes, the fact that life expectancy has been growing rapidly does not, by itself, mean that we will cure aging. It’s true that life expectancy has been growing because we have been reducing infant mortality and curing infectious diseases, not because we have been slowing down the aging process. However, we are making major progress on understanding aging and we are developing new biotechnology, so there is good reason to believe that we will be able to cure aging.
    2. Yeah, a lot is determined by genetics, but we can change our genes. Gene therapy is an up and coming type of technology, and we can expect to see far more gene manipulation (both in vitro and in vivo) in the next few decades. Just look at how important Crispr has become in the 4 years since it’s been invented. Genes are not immutable, and if we find the genes associated with aging and perform gene therapy on them, we may be able to slow or reverse the aging process.
    3. The people who are talking about radical life extension want to bring this about through curing aging, as you say in the title. However, you talk about how the nursing homes would get overcrowded if we had radical life extension, but I’m not sure why 150 year olds who are as healthy as 20 year olds would need to go into nursing homes. In fact, RLE would be a huge boon for the economy, because old people would get much healthier and would become far less reliant on our strained social services. Many of them would also work, which would also benefit the economy.
    4. I have, unfortunately, heard this argument used by liberals against RLE. They complain that old people are conservative and don’t want them to live longer and spread their ideas. However, if the technology becomes available, do you really think the people will be willing to give it up simply because it could lead to a more right-wing society? People will accept death to keep their communities leftist? I doubt it.
    You say you hope you’re wrong. Well, thankfully, you probably are.

    1. Mirabile dictu. 😉

44. “They’re already trying to eliminate us and kill us off with the deliberate introduction of GM food and endocrine disrupting chemicals in our food and water.”
    This is the exact point that I stopped reading this article.

    1. Fortunately for the rest of us, we don’t share your blind faith.in corporations and the establishment.

       1. It doesn’t require blind faith. It does require at least a basic education in science, which is something you clearly don’t have.

          1. For fear of an “argument” with a propaganda sponge, I’ll attempt to shine some light on your understanding with the help of rational thinking from the rest of the planet regarding fluoride, for an easy start:
             http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/04/30/water-fluoridation-facts.aspx
             http://fluoridealert.org/articles/50-reasons/
             Do something scientific for yourself, and do some research regarding your government and the frustration that led to this site existing. It’s not because the corporations are looking out for the best interests of the people. If you can’t be bothered, then just return to your blue-pill, corporate fantasy and avoid this corner of the internet.

          2. Yes, because anyone that doesn’t agree with you MUST be a paid shill for the secret society of alien worshipers that control our corporate masters via telepathy. Ohhhh, but not you… because you know the TRUTH. You read some shit on the Interwebs, and you know the secret hidden agenda of the Rothchilds, the Bilderberg group, the Illuminati, the Jews, and the actual boogieman himself.
             Fact is, buddy, you and the author of this article, regardless of what you may think, are in the smallest minority of gullible fuck-wits who will believe any conspiracy that comes your way. I bet you think vaccines cause autism or that the moon landing was staged. I bet you take advice about health from the Food Bebe, David Wolfe, and Dr. Oz.
             You’ve got some obscure links to some quacks who probably got their “Ph.D.”s though online correspondence courses. PROOF of the TRUTH. Riiiiight. You aren’t enlightened, brother. You are just dumb. A tool to be used and discarded.

          3. Written from the enlightened outlook of a smelly sofa in the backwoods of Oklahoma…
             Surprisingly enough, most of the knowledge on this planet was not acquired in the US (and, even then, much less often by the American-born). Some day you might even figure out that you are the tool, dumb ass. Do yourself a favor and crawl out of your hole sooner rather than later or, better yet, just stay inside but spare the malleable your “wisdom” and (corporate) scientific “insight”.
             Your words are yet another reminder of how poisoned Americans have become. Feel like I got to take a shower now…

    2. GMO panic is obviously bullshit …except in terms of reducing biodiversity a bit (temporarily, of course..for, Evolution is unstoppable..)). Castrating chemicals in packaging and favorization of estrogen-packed foods in the media (beer, soy, etc.) is a fact.
       Conspiracy, or not…look what happened to Vikings when they abandoned their ancestral mead for BEER…they became Swedes! 😉
       Well, what may be good for the monks…(sigh)…))))

45. Tobacco and alcohol (as well as radiation) in small doses can actually increase your lifespan. See: hormesis.
    Yet the true tragedy lies within the fact that the humans have forgotten one of the Principal Tenets of Life: expand or die. Expansion favours longevity. (To prevent unnecessary dumb comments – (im)migration is NOT expansion. Expansion is settling of a population in areas/biotopes previously unpopulated by that species. )
    Mars? Moon? Anybody?…)))
    Not to forget that the Elites do not wish to share the only true privilege with the unwashed masses…I can swear on the fourth heart of Rockefeller that it is so. 😉

46. This is the Ultimate Product. When it’s achieved (not if) there will simply be no stopping it’s spread. Political expedience won’t matter when the people will want this.

47. Might want to look at the SENS strategy too.
    Anytime we see an article that throws in a mix of reasons “something” won’t happen, we generally are looking at a scattergun approach to a subject, throwing out multiple overall small issues to make it seem like the problem’s insurmountable. Most of these claimed show-stoppers can be ignored. The only one that matters is the science, and aging is a medical engineering issue, not a metaphysical one. Getting there isn’t the question; it’s “how soon?”

48. The reason we will have more healthy years is because that is what people want. Whether that leads to an era of of aging without illness and getting old without getting sick will depend on how difficult the problem is, not whether or not people “want it”. They do… people don’t want to live longer with continuted disease. I always find it amusing when people point to the way things “were” and “are” and predict future events based on those data points to extrapolate from… especially when they don’t pay attention to first principles… life is good, death is bad… and the ‘teeming mass of humanity’ will decide based on the feasibiltiy and need, just as they did with infant mortality.

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