I noticed that the more I’m myself in a relationship with a woman (as I see myself), the happier I am with her. On the other hand, the more I have to change my behavior in line to what I think she would find attractive, the less satisfaction I get from that relationship. While “being yourself” is not the key to getting laid, it may be the key to being satisfied in relationships, but now that times have changed, this may be an impossible feat.
In more ancient times, relationships were much different than what we experience now. Back then, when a woman valued a man’s resources for her very own survival, the man could more or less be himself since there were less options for her to walk away YOLO-style and immediately find another man. He acted the opposite of what we have today, where most men apply a filter to their natural impulses in order to keep their women in a permanent state of being attracted. Today we do what we believe or know that women will like in a way to minimize our rejection rate and maximize the quantity or quality of sex or love that we receive. We apply rules, techniques, and strategies to meet women, because without them it would not be possible to achieve intimacy.
Alpha vs Beta mating strategies
Even beta orbiters do this when they volunteer to be in the friendzone—they are applying a strategy that they truly believe will be the most effective means of starting a sexual relationship, however foolhardy that may be. Whatever strategy is used, whether beta or alpha, men must act inauthentic in order to gain intimacy that feels authentic. The beta must pretend to be a friend when he is interested in the girl and wants sex. The alpha must pretend to be aloof when he is interested in the girl and wants sex. They are both putting on a performance for the same goal. One performance gets the girl in her prime while the other gets her afterwards, when she has gained 20 pounds and becomes host to three different HPV strains.
The extreme of this inauthenticity is the married man who must apply “game” on his wife, even though she pledged to dedicate her life to him unto death, just so that she doesn’t get bored with him and cheat before draining his blood in a divorce. While the player has to put on a clown suit when he goes to the club to pick up women, the married man has to permanently wear the clown suit and hope she never strays, especially if he married an attractive Western woman.
Male authenticity is dead
Today, no man can be authentic in front of a woman. We can only behave and act through techniques and behaviors which have been documented to work. We have to learn an assortment of alpha traits and become more psychologically aware than BF Skinner just to get laid. We have to rip out our beta male souls, or just a natural impulse to be a good person, and morph it into something that a modern woman appreciates enough to spread her legs for the moment of sex, which ironically is becoming less authentic with each passing year as girls poorly mimic what they see in porn or read in stupid books, making loud noises of simulated pleasure while demanding to be strangled like a rag doll.
For men, acting must occur in the most mundane of situations:
- Are you sitting next to your girlfriend in a cafe and get the urge to compliment her beauty? You better not because then she will think you’re needy.
- Are you annoyed that she’s taking so long to reply to text messages? Too bad because you can’t tell her it bothers you. Take a long time to reply as well so she becomes anxious and remains attracted to you.
- Are you sad because your aunt just died? You better hide it because if she sees that you’re upset she will think you’re a weak man and start replying to her OK Cupid message backlog.
- Do you want to tell a girl on a first date how she is fun to be with? You can’t do that because she’ll think you’re falling in love with her.
One reason the game is not worth it for some men is because we are forced to be actors and clowns in the presence of women for transient sexual gain. I would do 1,000 approaches if it meant I met a girl who would unconditionally love me for who I am and will become for all eternity, but this is an absolute impossibility where girls can survive without men. Instead I will have to dance and juggle for her, sleep with her maybe 10 times, but more like 4 or 5, and then the relationship will get stale, neither of us able to find the will or motivation to continue because of the type of 20th century environment we were born into by no choice of our own.
Successful relationships depend on authenticity
Relationship that is not successful
Relationships that have lifelong worth, where you gain as much value as you put in, can only come when you’re the most authentic (it’s impossible to be 100% authentic, but 80% or above is a good goal). This is the point where it doesn’t feel like you’re expending labor every day just to keep her. Unfortunately, it’s becoming impossible to achieve high authenticity outside the realm of familial and friendly relations where you can be more direct with your beliefs, desires, dreams, and hopes. With women you’re sexual with, being open and honest is dangerous. Tell her what you think or feel and she’s out the door.
The problem is that if you can’t be honest with someone and express your true thoughts, you’re in a relationship that can’t possibly last. If you’re applying game to your wife, and that game is not congruent with your beliefs, the marriage will end. If you’re authentic to a person who is inauthentic, that relationship will fail. Becoming authentic—of knowing not only the red pill truths of the world but the truths of your self—may be a losing proposition in a world that is becoming grotesquely inauthentic, even denying basic truths of human nature and gender like we see with progressivism in America. Knowing the truth may be the fastest path to isolation and loneliness because sooner than later you’ll tired of putting on your actor’s mask.
Options for men who don’t want to wear the mask
While it’s easy to be inauthentic for the short time it takes to get many girls into bed, this isn’t a sustainable solution if you ever want to take off the mask. That leaves us with two options. The first is to become the alpha male that most women want, where your impulse changes from unconsciously doing naturally beta acts to alpha acts. This can only come when you internalize game (at least 5 years of practice) like how a professional basketball player can shoot with his eyes closed, but how alpha you can become from full-blown beta is up for debate.
The second option is to have fun being the clown to get a variety of sex, but only plan for long-term relationships with women who appreciate your true—albeit constantly changing—self. It’s clear to me that for men to be happy with women in today’s environment, a combination of both will have to take place.
Men will have to uproot their nice guy instincts and put on a mask to have sex with pretty girls who demand a clown while considering something long term with the occasional girl who loves us even more when we temporarily take off that mask. Yet in terms of being ourselves at all times with women and being everlastingly happy with them—I’m sad to announce that we live in an age where that is not possible. And there’s nothing we can do about it.
This article was originally published on Roosh V.
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Spot on with this one.
Even if the alpha mask brings undeniable result, it is a lot of energy spent. It wears you out.
As you put it a while back, “having to use dread game on your LTR girl so she keeps cooking for you” is constant additional work, to achieve equal results. there is a point where it breaks.
The red-pill googles must ALWAYS be on. The 80% ratio of aloofness seems honest. In the end “The one that does not care is the one who wins.”
That’s why you internalize it. That’s how naturals are created, it’s not genetic, it’s long years of just learning to do the right things, and it becomes natural.
I find that if I keep a small pilot light consisting of anger and superiority lit deep down, it helps with maintaining frame. Not to say I’m angry and arrogant all the time, but it’s easier to tap into those energies when they’re on the ready.
theres a certain powerlessness in this article that is indicative of the endgame of a life spent in hedonistic pleasure, sorry Roosh but you sound like a 45 year old whore espousing how much fun she had back when she was 15 and getting railed by her soccer coach. the Patriarchal tradition is caught between the progressive movement, and the rapid spread of Islam, and our most potent minds are more concerned with notch counts than anything worthwhile.
Created an account to come in and sneer, did ya’?
No, what he’s saying is true. I was around “back then”. The changes he notes are very real and not just a matter of his own perceptions changing. While men do grow up and evolve their viewpoints, he’s not pointing out something that is invisible to all but those who acquire wisdom with age. Shit has changed *big time* in a very bad way.
not to sneer..i have a lot of respect for Roosh and how he has put ideas to paper that would be nothing but far flung disparate scraps of game and philosophy in these dimming times. some of us are too bitter and nihilistic to put on the clown suit just for scraps..nobody should be free from criticism, whether it be a long time lurker postulating for the first time in a forum of the enlightened, or its very creator. Shit has gone very wrong, and im thankful to have found this community.
I think by “a lot of respect” you mean a couple of crumbs worth.
It’s harder for present-day men to be authentic because
1) Our forefathers sold the social and political culture down the river in the name of ‘equality’.
2) Men are changers, creators, and leaders in their natural state, and thus viewed as a threat to the established order (or New World Order) by the elites.
how do i join the elites?
Go to an Ivy League school and/or make a ton of money.
1) If you are looking to join, you’re on the wrong website.
2) I assume they come looking for you.
http://www.monster.com
Monster.com is for the peasants.
Indeed.com is where the future elites look for a way in.
http://www.skullandbonesandhighpayingjobs.com
Good lookin’ out man !
https://www.theladders.com/
Unless you are Zuck the Cuck, you’ll have to go and become a high powered Lawyer or Executive
Are you sitting next to your girlfriend in a cafe and get the urge
to compliment her beauty? You better not because then she will think
you’re needy.
Are you annoyed that she’s taking so long to reply to text messages?
Too bad because you can’t tell her it bothers you. Take a long time to
reply as well so she becomes anxious and remains attracted to you.
Are you sad because your aunt just died? You better hide it because
if she sees that you’re upset she will think you’re a weak man and start
replying to her OK Cupid message backlog.
Do you want to tell a girl on a first date how she is fun to be
with? You can’t do that because she’ll think you’re falling in love with
her.
Sadly this is all 100% true. You might be able to poach an Amish girl from her family when she hits 18 and hasn’t yet gone out on Rumspringa, but otherwise, yeah. And I mean even in the context of marriage, not just pickup. While I’m generally not an emotional guy (in “that” kind of way) I still notice that even something like a family member dying will have your wife eyeing you sideways to see if you’re going to go “too far” emotionally. Shit, my buddy’s wife just had her mother die, so I met them after they got home to give condolences, you know, like a friend should “in olden times”. My wife gave me a weird look and something of a frown when I told her, because it breaks character with how I normally act and it came across as somehow “emotional”. And note, this is an old school woman, not a young 20 something. It fucking sucks, for certain.
That is an odd phenomenon, isn’t it? Women only seem to be emotional, yet when a guy gets emotional over something that truly matters, like a death in the family, they get scorned. Go figure.
In this case it was just me reaching out and being decent in a compassionate way that made my wife give me a weird look. It’s not like I went into sobs or broke down in tears in the shower or anything. Freaking women these days, Christ almighty, what have they become?
solipsistic
Quite. I guess that’s where we’re at, at this point. To give her a bit of an out (because, wife) I am either very happy or very stoic and cold, so something like this is out of character for me. It just bugs me somewhat that it wasn’t just taken as “Aw, that’s nice that you’re such good friends and you did the right thing”.
They’ve become Rosy O’Donnells
It’s what they’ve been allowed to become. By society. By weak, spineless men.
I think it all stems from their inability to empathize or feel remorse for anything. When a close friend dies, I contemplate the brevity of life. When a close friend’s parent dies, I consider that the expiration of my parents will come far sooner than I realize. These are sobering and important moments. But a woman is unable to feel these sentiments, or consider her own life in any meaningful way, other than how she will spend the rest of her day. Hence, any sort of serious thought or emotion is foreign to her. Ever wonder why there are no female philosophers?
Women often complain that men are simple creatures. That is partly true. We are simple to keep content; keep our stomachs full and our nuts empty and we are content. But for us to be happy, we must do much more with our lives. Be productive, contemplate issues, improve ourselves. The fact that we don’t have to address 50,000 base urges everyday like women allows us more time to focus on higher things.
What can I say. You sum it up perfectly. However my mother is from the old school and is able to empathize (or at least pretend to and not come as an idiot). I think women of previous generations were civilized to the point that expressing their solipsistic nonsense was considered bad manners and hence reserved to certain female friends, not to the general public.
Agreed. Except, well, Ayn Rand. But she was basically a man with tits, and not a handsome man either.
That’s quite harsh !! some women may be that way but it’s far from a universal truth…
Meanwhile, in Seattle..
http://www.pof.com/viewprofile.aspx?profile_id=117305287
That made me lol thanks for posting. Love the doll and cat in the background…….
AWALT…..
Heh. No, not at all handsome. Especially in later years. And wrong about a lot of things. But one fails to pay attention to her lessons at the cost of great peril.
I don’t know I’ve always thought the most masculine thing that a man can do is cry and show emotion when appropriate (i.e. death, legit emotional turmoil, etc). It pretty much just asserts that you don’t give a shit what society is telling you is appropriate and you are just being a human and responding naturally.
Why would you show me that?
Now I want my memories erased. Does anyone have the number of that MIB agent with the neuralyzer?
Now what does that mean ..?
The essence of masculinity is mastery over self. Crying in public anytime you feel the need is not appropriate or masculine. A funeral for a close family member, sure, appropriate but even then some restraint is in order. Same for the death of your best dog, only to a lesser degree. Everything else, you handle by talking to your friends in private or through meditation on the motorcycle or some other equally as meditative.
AWALT = “All Women Are Like That”
Oh God, I can’t unsee that! Why did you do that?!? Why???
Well your pool of women sure lacks diversity…
Agreed, the most masculine thing a man can do is simply not give a fuck.
What was your response to your wife’s reaction? Did you call her out on it or just shrug and ignore it? I’m curious as my own likely reaction towards my wife if she did that would be to give her a look of mild disdain and make a sarcastic joke about her mothering instincts.
This^
The instinct is that a man who can’t hold himself together is a liability to the tribe if SHTF. It’s just difficult to squelch the contempt one feels for such emotional outbursts even when we live in a safe, cushy society (for now). So a man’s utility to the tribe is questioned if he can’t discipline his emotions.
For women, crying doesn’t call their femininity into question because we don’t expect you to fight. Well, masculine men don’t. Not sure that’s true for the low-T manlet-thingies we call “men” in the West who are pushing for female combat troops.
It is always worth repeating that feminsm is simply the politicisation of female nature. While there is a feminist demanding that men should be allowed to cry, just before she takes a sip from her “male tears” mug, there is a wife of girlfriend becoming less attracted to her man because he dared to show some emotions in a tough situation like a funeral.
For me personally, it doesn’t matter how much I lift and how much I’m able to game women, if I’m at a friend or family member’s funeral and Mozart’s Lacrimosa (from his Requiem) starts playing, I’m going to break down in tears, I just know it.
Whenever I see a male tears coffee mug, I feel obliged to post this pic:
I can’t find the picture now, but I remember seeing a pic that made fun of that mug. Went somewhere along the line of
Feminist “I drink male tears!”
The guy responds with: “You know that real men don’t cry. Must be their semen.”
Feminist spits out the mug.
“Its oak-y, with a hint of xanax. “
LOL
I got you bro
Yup I learned that lesson the hard way. In the rare occasion, I’m talking once a decade when I have to shed a couple drops, I will always do it in complete solitude.
PS> Ladies, I’m talking about fapping fyi.
legit made me lol
Women shed crocodile tears all the time over deaths but need to be taught how to feel in regards to honoring a life. Many a woman I had to either tell to shut up or completely put her in time out because she was looking to be narcissistic at the wrong times.
Eh, now I’ll cut *anybody* slack for shedding tears when their parents or kids die. Those are authentic to me. But preening for attention, that’s another matter entirely, agreed.
That preening, getting offended when they’re not the center of attention (and no – one is buying their show of concern) is disgusting.
Fucking Pharisees, making sure they’re SEEN being pious.
I’ve seen a bitch get denied a promotion at work, cry in front of everyone because of said denial, then get given the promotion because everyone (besides me) felt bad for her. I kid you not. That’s what women do when they don’t get their way. Cry for attention, figuratively OR literally. Whichever will make themselves more of a victim to garner sympathy.
Ha! I know what you’re talking about.
What about when they show up in job interviews with mycro skirts (to make “things easier” with male interviewers) and after a while are sueing companies about sexual harrassment for irreflected words (not even sentences)…
It’s the jungle, for them.
I don’t think women should be allowed to work with men. Because in THIS society we’re not “allowed” to be men when they’re around. We have to suppress every NATURAL instinct we get, whenever we see the cleavage they flaunt, or their thong peeking out. Women get to be themselves at the workplace, but men can’t be men, or we’ll get fired. This is what happens when evil (pussywhipped) men make the rules.
Just another example of female privilege. If a man started crying, would he get the same sympathy? We all know the answer to that. One day, I’m going to troll everyone and start crying in public to see everyone’s reactions. After about 5 or 10 minutes of waterworks I’ll say “Ha! I gotcha!” The only time a man is allowed to cry in general is in the time of a death.
Not even. When watching documentaries on wars and seeing shots or videos of executions, when a man cries my reaction is “quit the waterworks and die with some dignity.”
It’s tough to respect a man for crying at anytime in public. I don’t like that I process it this way, but it is. Jack Donovan lays out a theory that we dislike public displays of men crying or panicking because such displays call into question how such men will behave should the shit hit the fan. The mindset of tribal man would see men who are emotionally incontinent as liabilities in tough times. I think he’s right.
That said, male only spaces are some of the best places to witness a man crying and letting them get it out. It becomes an unspoken agreement that no one talks about what transpired. But even then in such environments, I don’t have a positive response, I just have a less negative one. I don’t think men can cry with dignity, but it happens, and it’s best that it does with only a male audience as hopefully some empathy will understand about the slip up of crying.
I suppose it’s generally true, but as I said, in cases like a death, it can be acceptable. I had a cousin who was killed back in 2014 a day before he was to turn 16. And I remember at his funeral, his dad did shed tears while closing his son’s casket. In a situation like that, I can’t look down on a man for that, because we are human at the end of the day. God forbid, if I ever lost a child i’d probably react the same way. But those are exceptional circumstances.
I was once at a funeral and two young girls (middle school age) were taking selfies during the service. Their beta father refused to acknowledge this blatant act of disrespect. My father and I confronted the guy after the service and he responded with a chuckle and said “kids will be kids” I shit you not. I fear that things are going to get a lot worse because these kids are growing up with these smartphones and social media and it is stunting their social/emotional development.
Selfies at a funeral… wow… Straight to Facebook profile I imagine…
I had a similar instance probably 14 years ago when an old family church friend died. One chick about my age at the time (16’ish) got on her phone in the middle of the service and began loudly talking to someone. Some people even turned around and told her to shut up, but she just got pissed off and was like “Excuse me, I’m on the phone here!” Wish I had the balls then that I do now. Would have taken her phone and thrown it out into traffic.
‘Live at Ryan’s funeral! We paying homage to the dead!’
Unfortunately President Obama doesn’t set a very good example! Selfies at Nelson Mandela’s funeral service. You can’t make this stuff up
http://selfiesatfunerals.tumblr.com
Gentlemen, the decline.
I just posted a few earlier. The disrespect is real. Horrendously real.
……
……
…..I need a cigarette now….
That makes me angry…
of course, so she can garner sympathy from her orbiters…
The worst, if there is such a thing, is the hottest lady posing in the coffin. The only reason I can think of being on the phone at a funeral is to direct someone to the funeral or to handle processions afterwards. Sometimes I miss the older model phones as they were so poor in quality memories were shared in real time not as an image for a like.
“It would appear that we not only mourn the passing of a great man today, but the death of respect, propriety and shame. Ladies if you’d be so kind to cease posing with duckfaces in front of the deceased, then we can proceed with the service.” *sluts selfie harder* “Fuck this I’m out.” *Priest tosses his bible and walks out the door*
We need a series of red pill skits made that shame women for practices like this.
That’s as much as Mandela deserves.
While it would certainly be amusing, I don’t expect it to change anything. A person who pulls this shit is beyond redemption *cough cough Obama*
Amish got it right- no fones. You see the one where the chick is posting smiling selfies from a former concentration camp? The lack of self awareness and common decency is mind blowing
That is Insanity! Haven’t seen the picture yet, and wouldn’t want to. That is a complete disregard for life and history.
I take it public burnings like we did with witches would be out of the question?
some of them even have duckface.
“Kids will be kids” holy shit, can’t imagine how his daughters are going to turn out lol
Taking a selfie at a funeral…let’s look into it.
A narcissistic moment in a time of mourning.
Could be translated into ,,Hey look, you’re dead, I’m alive ! !”.
The decline you speak of is concerning the general lack of respect people today have for anything in general – be it moral virtue, social moral values, the elderly, the handicapped, the dead…ZERO RESPECT.
As the book says, PRIDE COMES BEFORE A FALL !
Amazing how things have gotten so bad that there are enough narcissistic idiot douche bags that an entire blog dedicated to ‘selfies at a funeral’ can exist.
Sickness!
What a fag! I do not like that guy. At all.
The skank with her cleavage showing, that’s bad enough, but is she sitting in a coffin? WTF? #funeralsex
“That makes me angry..”
I hear ya. Makes me glad I never had family and that I’m a lone wolf. Fuck the current american zeitgeist.
Idiotic cunts.
Heh, yeah, I’m sorta with you on that.
She should be thrown in the casket, top closed and kept like that for a good 10 minutes.
How about a baseball bat and a license to kill?
I’ve grown to understand more and more why institutions used to be so widespread.
Sure, he takes it up the butt from “Michelle”
holy shit
i think you mean – *priest drops bible, and loudly declares it a “PIPEBOMB”
HA!!! slutty finger in mouth, with one hand draped over the casket!!!! thats amazing…
No way… really?
Well that puts the “fun” back in funeral.
Yep. That’s real. If you look at the pictures from the entire event you can see him macking on the Scandi princess and Michelle openly getting quite bitter as she sat and fumed.
One more reason that I’m going to be donating my body to medical science when I’m gone. On top of the usual reasons – save on the cost of a funeral, might as well put my body to good use since I won’t be doing much with it etc. – this is one more reason. Having a trainee surgeon poking around my cadaver might not seem very respectful, but at least the ‘disrespect’ will be for a good cause. Hell, I’d rather go the Zoroastrian route and have my body left on a mountaintop for animals to scoff on than have twits like them taking selfies with my late self.
I always wanted to go the exact opposite route and troll the world. Have myself taxidermied then attached to weather balloons so I’m floating 30 ft in the air terrorizing the towns people.
Yeah the guy acted like it was completely normal for his daughters to be doing such a thing.
This needs to be dealt with now as a matter of urgency. However it works better if the shaming is either from a group, or from someone who has peer traction / status. Don’t underestimate how many white knights and SJWs there are around you at any given time.
Ahhhhggggg the other week im sitting at a restaurant waiting for my order but these two girls the most annoying in the world were taking selfies of themselves constantly they were not even good looking but just the behavior was slowly grinding my gears I couldnt stop looking at them thinking how I just want to tell them how fucking ugly they are and not to bother taking selfies ahhhhh its sooooooo annoying and gets on my nerves for some fucking reason.
Alas, probably is.
Women, especially younger one’s love attention. That’s why they’re always taking pictures and uploading them to FB. I have FB friends, female friends, who have literally thousands of pictures, mostly of themselves. For all of the talk about “street harassment”, imagine how women would feel if they didn’t get harassed? Imagine your typical 21 year old western girl coming out in the summer time with her skin tight, see thru leggings that looked painted on, with her thing peeking out the top and her tube top showing all of her cleavage. Now imagine she went the whole day and got no attention. None at all. She takes 45 selfies, uploads them to FB and gets 0 likes. At this point, she’s going into panic mode. Am I still pretty???? She needs immediate reassurance right about now. She’d give anything for some crude cat calls, but none come.
Imagine that this continues for a week, a month. At this point, she is probably sinking into depression or having a mental breakdown of some sort. Calling her ugly could cause her to become very suicidal. And I’m not exaggerating. This would be the typical reaction of most women 15 to 35 nowadays if all male attention was suddenly snatched away from them. Taking selfies and all that nonsense is strictly for attention. The only other group which rival women for attention whoring are effeminate gay males. I wonder which group takes the most selfies?
If I see a man taking a selfie I instantly assume that he is gay. I don’t have any social media but if I ever get a Facebook rest assured I will never “like” a women’s selfie.
That selfies at a funeral page had mostly teen, 20ish girls posting selfies and the few guys who did looked very effeminate.
Your annoyance is justified. Taking pictures of yourself in public is antisocial behavior and is incredibly obnoxious.
I view all tears shed by women as crocodile tears because at the end of the day, I know deep down in their heart of hearts, self-preservation is the #1 priority for her.
And that’s what makes em so special dog gawnit.
Women today prove their worth quite quickly.
The thousand mile trail of aborted baby skulls is the crunchy path they stomp and snark over to take endlessly shallow selfies and giggle at the preening antics of a castrated dancing monkey.
Time to become a ruthless savage that is out for YOU and your tribe. Anyone who crosses your path should be viciously smacked aside with the authority of a man who gives zero fucks and will violently crush every useless eater in his way.
Every man needs to get off the humiliating hamster wheel of entertaining a worthless slut and start achieving mastery over himself.
It is then you will become a master over the whining masses of pathetic weaklings.
They want to be ruled by a motherfucking savage.
When’s the blog debut?
It’s up and running. Got 6 articles up so far and working on two more tonite.
I lost my grandmother and my grandfather in the span of 2 months when I was 21. The girl I was dating at the time “couldnt deal with me” as I was far from home and an emotional mess. I was stunned, dumped her a few weeks later. Women- they have more empathy than men
I do not, will not and never have hit a woman (except, you know, ass spanking during sex), but shit like that brings me really close to wanting to.
Unless some strange woman is attacking me on the street, I’m of the same mindset and even then, it would be restrained. Plus, most of the time a few choice words will cut a woman deeper than any backhand, especially when you know what pushes their buttons.
Well yes, of course, self defense. Just meant in a general sense.
and discipline. I don’t mean knocking their teeth out, but a drunk irrational girl who is going to hurt herself or someone else sometimes needs to be shaken up and get a sold non-sexual ass spanking.
” but shit like that brings me really close to wanting to”
I hear ya. Reminds me of this photo:
http://www.returnofkings.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/twats7.jpg
You’d think that one would have to be cynical to give this meme some credibility, but turns out, no, just realistic.
Some others, these from ROK writer Thomas More on his book review of “Manipulated Man” :
http://www.returnofkings.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/twats2.jpg
http://www.returnofkings.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/twats4.jpg
I hope this is fake.
REAL.
Sean’s got them all figured out.
While you were grieving, she probably already had another cock lined up.
No, she didnt. Sometimes the degree of cynicism on this site even blow my mind
It’s what I thought, until the public phones started to ring wherever I would walk !
Joke aside, a similar thing happened to me as well.
Riiiiight.
Who had an easier time getting laid/date again?
Roosh ends the article by saying there’s nothing we can do about it. The hell we can’t! I’m picking up a copy of Fluenz, getting some booster shots and heading south of the border. If enough men either got the hell out of Dodge or just checked out altogether (i.e. didn’t go to work, threw away the “honey do” lists, didn’t do ANYTHING to make women’s lives easier, ‘Atlas Shrugged’ style) this crap would change in a WEEK.
I do agree that the end is too pessimistic.
When my wife starts to act up a bit too much I’ve found that taking day long motorcycle rides with buddies for a couple of days in a row gets her to fretting.
Heh, I don’t even need to be gone a couple days. A couple hours and my wife starts fretting…probably due to the stampede of little feet around the house though.
The barefoots are coming! The barefoots are coming!!
Haha, I’m not even joking. Those girls are a destructive force of nature. An immaculate living room can be utterly demolished within 5 minutes.
Nothing like leaving her alone to think about what’s she’s done.
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Motorcycle rides with “buddies” huh?
http://motorcycledays.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/harley661.jpg
Lmao!! Get that bitch some cats stats! And make sure they do some adorable, cat like, shit!
And eventually crave for more.
Heh, yep. You be reading mah mind, brother.
And even if I am being legit in who I’m riding with, she still gets really nervous and “I don’t want to know where you were or who you were with”, which is music to my ears.
Right on. That’s exactly the idea.
Also never apologize for anything you’ve said or done.
You should always be rational in your interactions with the Mrs or other ladies in your life. This negates any confusion and the need for apologies.
Preaching to the choir I know..
Dread game.
Cheer up, man. You know what will happen in the next 10-20 years (or earlier)? I’ll tell you.
Virtual Reality will become economic accessible to middle class and below. Sex Virtual Robots (= SVR) will be easily accessed via full-body suits (of course this trend will begin in Japan).
Developments in AI will make these SVR programmable with the user’s tastes, likeness, and girls’ personality he likes the most.
Soon, you’ll be able to come home after work and choose to date Naomi Campbell, or th have sex with a younger (not damaged yet) Rihanna, or walk with Scarlett Jonhanson in the streets of a VR Tokyo, or (for the traditionalists) have Marylin Monroe singing Happy Birthday to You.
Of course, governments will try to ban it, but you know what happens when somebody ban something? It becomes more desirable.
Even if you have to pay a programmer/hacker to create the SVR to you, it’ll be cheaper than try to date a real, damaged, moronic “strong and independent” Western Woman.
Trust me, my friend: the game will change in months.
And, for the traditionalists, you can always go south. Or Asian. Or African…
In a nutshell, yes.
It’s not going to change because there’s always going to be an army of thirsty chodes willing to pick up the slack. Always.
The way you handle that is a modified version of what the Romans used to call “decimation.” As the legend goes, if a battle was lost, all the troops would be rounded up, and the commander would begin counting off. If he reached ten by the time he came to you, they pitched your ass off a cliff. Rinse, repeat. I think if you randomly grab some well-known betas, like that simp that was kissing on Rebel Wilson at the MTV awards and the star of ‘Kick-Ass’ who married a woman old enough to be his grandma, and beat the shit out of them (or at least lock them in a basement for a week), videotape it, and make it go viral, the rest of the betas will take notice and either side with us or get out of the way.
Just looked up Aaron Johnson’s wife….blegh!
He resurrected the old town’s bike? 49?!? And he is 25?! If a lady like that leaves you, do you off yourself, or do you go into hypno-therapy and erase all years you were in contact with her?
Part of me wonders why he’d settle for someone like her, but then part of me knows why; he’s beta to the core…even as a successful actor.
BAD decision. Almost as bad as my buddy’ s decision to shack up with his high school English teacher. Yuk.
My God!! As I read his story, it gets more and more horrifying. He met her while pretending to be a young version of John Wayne at 20. He is 25 and they have two daughters together. And his wife was the producer for 50 shades of grey! Talk about a cuckold’s dream house!
Maybe she leaves $5 under his pillow and milk and cookies on the nightstand after they’re done.
I think that’s why so many of these guys turn to drugs and booze…to forget it all. But in any event, I need to add these jokers to the list: Pierce Brosnan, Mark Zuckerberg, Ben Carson, and the goofy-ass schmuck who was bouncing up and down on Gabourey Sidibe on ‘Empire’ (oh, the horror). When you see Zuckerberg’s wife in the “sweatpants” pic, tell me she doesn’t look like Bolo Yeung from ‘Enter the Dragon.” I dare ya.
What’s even funnier, is he hyphenated his name like a women’s libber. Hahahaha
great attitude, man. keep hitting your spanish hard and have an excellent time down there.
Yeah let’s go make some brown children that’ll show the progressives who set up this whole game that we’re still the boss.
So much for women being more empathetic and thus deserving of every job where you have to deal with other people being thrown at their feet without question. When I think of a woman the age of my mother (50+), I think nuturing and caring. When I think of a woman of my generation, I think trashy, entitled, slutty and, most of all, insufferably selfish (altough they would call it “strong and independent”).
“It fucking sucks, for certain”
Men should not depend on women for emotional support, as men are supposed to be the rock or the tree to the ‘weaker sex’.
Hence the need for male friendships, and the insidious promotion of homosexuality by the elite.
I wasn’t asking her for emotional support, I was just disappointed that even this old school woman still evinces some traits of younger, modern women.
It’s in the nature of woman, regardless of age (or country of origin) to despise weakness in her man. Some women may be more forgiving (according to their individual personalities), but in the end, they are devoid of sympathy by nature (at least according to Florence Nightingale), and seek stability at any cost: all women are daughters of Eve.
I’ve dated around in E. Europe, and I find the same nature in them (albeit to a lesser extent) as in my dates in America, or even my own family.
In the end, I’ve come to the conclusion that while I can probably improve my chances of finding a good LTR relationship / marriage outside the US than inside, wherever I go I unfortunately bring myself with me, and hence I have to seek my solace and strength as a man from God (not certain where you stand religiously, in which case the strength would come from whatever external sources physically / metaphysically you would procure them from).
worldly peoples strength comes from the will to be somebody in this world. contrary to what the God of Israel i.e Jesus causes His people to be (over time) i.e to deny self.
1) I don’t know where GoJ stands on matters of religion, and I’m not going to press that issue; the state of his soul is between GoJ and God.
2) I really have no problem with anyone who seeks to improve themselves, and doesn’t act like a complete irrational donkey (and it seems that a lot of the latter are progressives, feminists, LBGT, atheists, and Churchians)
3) I’d rather stand with a honest non-Christian whom I can at agree on general philosophical matters issues, and disagree on spiritual issues, in a upfront manner than a corrupt Churchian who doesn’t get it.
actually christians should not be in company with unbelievers like being cheerful to them, befriend them when all they care for and strive for is sin (even if they dont know). they dont want to hear about Truth. i am at the wrong place here to preach, this is kinda like going to a nightclub preaching while i have no business being there in the first place. i am still an immature guy spiritually and i have the same problems and desires in the flesh as all humans, so i can learn about the world here. but i take this as a hint. im out of here
Well in my case I do not pretend because I really do only care about one thing when I’m talking to these girls and that’s me. These girls are given a choice. They can fuck me or they can go fuck themselves. Its all the same to me because there’s plenty more.
Clown game? No need, just tell these bitches how to act. You come down hard and they will respect it. In relationships especially, its easy to be the hard man because that’s what they want. In fact, I am usually pretending to be nice(er) when I meet them. You only roll out the big guns at the most tactically advantageous position – when the enemy is at the bottom of the valley in enfilade.
If I acted authentic with women, I’d just do like invading men did in times past. See what girl you want and just take her. But I have to act civilized.
In that case they would eventually grow to love you…
Yeah, but I’d rather not have to deal with the law.
I seriously think that the so called “trauma” women suffer from a relatively non violent rape is not a result of the rape itself, but a result of how they believe that they are supposed to feel. In other words, the nocebo effect, which is a scientifically demonstrated phenomenon. Perfectly healthy people have been told they have cancer, when no such cancer existed, but the belief that they did caused them to get sick and die. People who sincerely believed they were cursed by a voodoo doll have had similar things happen (https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/owning-pink/201308/the-nocebo-effect-negative-thoughts-can-harm-your-health, http://skepdic.com/nocebo.html).
The mind is a powerful thing. So if a woman believes what she’s heard all her life, that rape is the worst thing possible that could happen to her, then if it happens, she’ll react as if it is. It demonstrably is not. I could guarantee, if most women, especially young women were honest and they had a choice between a painless date rape and waking up tomorrow as a permanently ugly woman (and I mean hideous), most would choose the rape.
Because actually, women have evolved to adjust to it as a form of sexuality. Female orgasms are much more common during rape than most want to believe. Women who claimed to never have orgasms during consensual sex with a husband or boyfriend claimed to have intense orgasms when they were raped. Pregnancy is also a higher likelihood (female orgasms evolved to make pregnancy more likely by trapping more sperm). And more women than you think keep these rape babies, even with legal abortion. I knew a 19 year old girl who had a son that she is now raising, born as the result of a rape by an ex boyfriend who raped her when she tried to break up with him. I remember when that dutch reporter was kidnapped and held for ransom by a Taliban guerilla leader. He threatened to behead her if he didn’t receive payment from her government. Of course, what else does a man do after a long day of killing and maiming enemy soldiers but rape his newly acquired female captive? Word on the street is that he offered to let her have a 3sum with him and his wife.
After she was rescued, she couldn’t sing the praises of the Taliban leader loud enough. Far from being traumatized, as you’d expect a woman in her position to be, she talked about how nice he was because he gave her tea and biscuits. She didn’t say before or after he raped her and threatened to cut off her head. Instead, she was mad at her government for not paying the ransom, even though they’d rescued her. I think she still fantasizes about the Taliban leader to this day.
Also, I forgot to add this tidbit, but of the rape victims who do get abortions, most do it only out of response to social pressure by people around them.
Wow… brilliantly said Harold. Btw, a girl told me that she had a dream about me raping her. This girl has had the hots for me for months.
It is interesting, when you read about female people trafficking for the purpose of prostitution (if this does in fact happen – there is some doubt), these young women quickly accept their position.
Yes that is a real inconvenience.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EsaJHUcodpQ
On the radio about 2 weeks ago, I listened to a former pimp turned preacher about the sex trafficking industry. He told about how when he was in that life, he used to force girls and women into prostitution, often times by violence or the threat of it. Of course he said, younger women fetched higher prices. Some of the girls he forced into it were as young as 14 or 15, but he didn’t care, all he cared about what was what the paying customer wanted. He had an operation that was making him millions of dollars. He said he trafficked girls all around the country from Los Angeles to New York City. Eventually, he was caught and went to prison doing 4 years. After he got out, he got married. To one of the girls who used to work for him.
For all of you white knights, let that sink in. Let it marinate. Let it resonate. Meditate on it. A girl likely forced into prostitution marries her former pimp once he gets out of prison for pimping her. This is beyond parody at this point. We’ve known for some time that women like bad boys, but this is extreme. And this woman is not some outlier, she doesn’t have “low self esteem” or any of those hand waving explanations. This is just normal, run of the mill, female behavior when left to their own devices. And I bet that she is proud and happy to be his wife. Ain’t no shame in her game. Why would a woman willingly marry her pimp?
I’ll say one thing about this (outside of the example of Pimps N Hoes). Whenever I treat a woman well, I lose her. When I don’t give a shit about her I can’t get rid of her.
The trouble is, as I get older, I feel more inclined to treat a woman with respect because I am considering her for potential marriage. And who wants to treat the future mother of their children like shit? Now I am realizing that I am probably going to have to take a wife that I don’t give a shit about and just have girlfriends on the side.
Youre f*cking sick, dude.
So you seriously think that most women would rather be permanently ugly than suffer a nonviolent rape where no disease is involved? I’d go so far as to say women’s worst fear is disfigurement, although this would be politically incorrect to state because it’d give the reality of how much women prize their looks. There was a 24 year old young woman where I live who was walking home from work at about midnight and a deranged man came up behind her and threw battery acid in her face which left her horribly disfigured. She went blind in both eyes, lost an ear and other terrible things. Later, the newspaper interviewed her and she said that the worst thing about the attack was “not being pretty anymore”. Before the attack, she needed a stick to beat the boys away, now none could be found within a country mile.
The rest of what I stated is well documented. Its just politically incorrect and socially unacceptable to say out loud. Look up female orgasm during rape or the statistics for women who elect to keep babies conceived by rape. From what I understand, the number is like 70 percent and of the 30 percent that don’t, 78 percent of them regret it, whereas none of the women who give birth regret their choice. Consider the facts before you have a knee jerk emotional reaction.
http://www.inquisitr.com/1294190/some-mothers-want-to-keep-their-baby-conceived-in-rape-though-society-often-doesnt-support-that-choice/
This woman 24 year old beauty queen who was Ms Pennsylvania was conceived when her mom was raped. Also, would you consider this man to be a cuckold, his wife could never have kids or so she was told. She is raped by another man, conceives and her husband supports keeping the baby. Ironically, she has never been able to conceive since then with him.I guess he would be by definition.
“And more women than you think keep these rape babies, even with legal abortion.”
Why do you think they’d do that? Perhaps out of attachment to their rapist?
With a potential wife, you gotta be firm, lay down the rules for your relationship and expect to abide by them, but not go so far as purposely treat her like shit.
I’m curious though, what’s “treating her like shit” and “treating her well” to you? Could you give a few examples of each? Thanks.
You two are some serious mental nutcases 🙂
Game can be good, but you can take it too long and internalize too much.
I truly feel sorry for both of you!
So if I beat the crap out of your ass, and you feel pain and fear, it’s because of a social construct about violence being bad?
I feel sorry for your mother.
Like shit? Cheating on her, verbal and physical abuse. Well? Planning an amazing date, in detail to show her a great time. So far, shit works better. I am not joking.
I’m truly sorry for offending your fragile ego sir. Please accept my apology.
All the kings horses and all the kings men…
That’s a false analogy. I’ll let you figure out why.
Sorry for not generalizing enough.
So, if you can find an example of a selfdestructive individual with masochistic tendencies, who happens to like to get the shit beaten out of his guts, everybody likes to get some beating? Because you can refer to an online article?
Nice one!
I wonder, did you even read the post or did you start in the comment section?
Perhaps for the same reason that they remain in abusive relationships more or less. The penchant for bad boys. The man violent enough to rape probably has or at least is capable of other types of violence. It’s not uncommon for rapist to have criminal records for non sexual violent crimes. Also, on an instinctive level, the ultimate purpose is propagation of the species. Nature doesn’t care the how or why of how its done. So even in bearing the child of the rapist, half the genes are still hers. At the end of the day, her genetic stock goes on and in biological terms, she is a winner over a childless woman who’s genes cease. That’s one reason women instinctively learned to adjust to life with their new captors. Being generally smaller and weaker, physical resistance would get them killed by the bigger and stronger sex. Women who were prone to such died out and women prone towards submission and accepting their new position survived. Look up the War Brides of Europe during WWII. Like I mentioned the reporter above, she quickly adjusted to her Taliban captor. Resisting him could’ve meant death. It’s part of the female psyche to be submissive to those stronger than her who are unafraid to exhibit that strength.
No, but if I find lots and lots of examples then I may be on to something. And, women in general are masochistic.
Makes sense.
Remember how our teenage fantasies were to get the cheerleader, or some other high status girl. Most women have sex fantasies about being prostitutes or being raped. I’ve known prostitutes over the years and they actually complain about non-sex industry women constantly befriending them only to pump them for information and to live out fantasies. In the face of their women’s right crap, it says a lot about their mentality.
Lot of guys saying that these days. Get a woman to mother your children and have other women on the side for recreation and companionship. The mother of your children isn’t interested in being your friend or companion- Once the ring is on her finger she assumes that you’ve both settled into the movie script. Girls on the side, however, will make great companions because they’re still working out the fantasy.
About these women who find out you’re cheating and then threaten to walk out? Turn it around on them and tell them to get out, but in very civil and indifferent terms. As long as she’s unable to take money with her she’s not going anywhere. Her only weapons are to threaten and pretend that your future is going to be dark without her. When she realizes that you’re going to be just fine, she’ll shut her mouth.
But treating people with respect is being masculine. When they don’t respond then you ditch them. Women naturally don’t respect men, but you can train them to at least behave well. When you mistreat people or don’t respect them, you end up not exhibiting your real self. You can’t let a relationship with a woman sacrifice that on you.
Well, I question EVERY rape accusation. Pregnancies from one-time-only are very rare. And the fact that she decided to keep the baby, and was able to convince the husband also, sounds to me like there’s more going on. Like she was sleeping around. Also note the “30%” rule. Studies show that 30% of ALL children are not the biological offspring of the guys who think they’re the dad’s. Untill they bring back chastity belts and eunuchs to guard women, nothing you see in our society concerning women is real.
You might!
I was primarily reacting to your example regarding trafficked women and felt disgusted with that comparison. Also about rape, as there could be several reasons why a woman chooses to keep her child (other than a biologigal urge to “benefit” from her rapists genes).
I’m reading the book Sperm Wars at the moment and get what you are saying.
I think though, that human beings are more complex and that we just can’t explain everything (women do) from a biologigal evolution.
And to say that poor young girls quickly accept their faith as victims of traficking because they deep inside have an urge to get exploited is simply stupid.
I see your point although I actually don’t see it as “mistreatment” but actually as a rational response to the world I live in. Instead of mistreatment I see it as the way to treat a woman, much how I might “treat” a dog. Sometimes kindly and sometimes harshly. Without this, a dog won’t respect you either.
Not an urge to be exploited, but to survive. The peace and safety enjoyed today is artificial, recent and not the way things are in nature. In times past, women were regularly captured in war, taken as concubines etc. The idea of women choosing is a very recent and western phenomenon. Women in order to survive had to be able to adapt to these situations without breaking down. It was a matter of life and death. That’s why women seem so flaky and disloyal. They had to be loyal to whomever had power over them and if another man came and usurped that power, then the women forgot about the old man and became loyal to the new man almost instantly.
Combine that with the female penchant for violent men. With women in abusive relationships, do you think any sane woman consciously wants to be beaten? No. But their subconscious urge for a violent man is so powerful that they’ll accept it even if they themselves are the victims of it. It always takes “strength and courage” for women to leave their violent, drug dealing boyfriend who beats them. It never takes similar “courage” for them to divorce rape their polite, law abiding, 9 to 5 husbands who treats her as an equal. This is because sexual feelings aren’t controlled by our higher brains, but by the very primitive parts.
Also, one of the top female sex fantasies are rape fantasies. This is totally irrational. But it’s true nonetheless. Rape is the most underreported of crimes. If you rob a woman at gunpoint, most will go straight to the police and report it. But rape, which is supposedly far worse, they don’t report? But then, when you find out that sexual arousal and orgasm is common in women, it makes perfect sense. I really think that is the factor of underreporting.
Again, you have some valid points. But again, you are generalizing things.
Regarding your first point about trafficked girls; of course they try to survive. Would’nt we do the same? It’s human nature to try and cope with circumstances and people who has a rough upbringing, sexual abuse, beatings or constant verbal abuse, learn to cope with it some way or they other.
To say that people, who are kidnapped and held prisoner and maybe even threatened with violance and murder of their loved ones or themselves, just submit to their new “lord” because of evolution biology, is in my opinion an over simplification and a lack of understanding and empathy.
Those people are systematically broken down and assaulted and their only way of surviving, is to distance themselves from the environment and play along.
Regarding your second point about rape fantasies.
Yes, I have heard the same about some women and their fantasies about being raped.
One thing is a fantasy. And another thing is to have the experience.
The second thing is propably who you get “raped” by, I mean, if you choose to live out a fantasy it’s one thing, but another thing would be to get beaten down to the ground and get raped by and ugly old man under a bush in the middle of the night.
You might have a point regarding the psysichal reactions a woman can experience, but your statement is similar to me claiming that most men would be turned on by being raped, because some studies show that we experience some kind of climax if somebody stufs some large thing up our bud and stimulates our prostate.
And to your final argument about women (or people) who stays in abuse relationships. Again, your point is valid, but have you thought about the many other reasons why it can be difficult to leave?
Sorry, I’m lazy and chose the first hit on Google, but I’m sure you can argument for some others too http://www.loveisrespect.org/is-this-abuse/why-do-people-stay/
Well, yeah. That makes sense. They say you get the respect or treatment that you “ask for” with your behavior and how you treat others. Most women non-verbally scream to be ordered around and put in the place. When an employee gets treated like a dog by his boss, the first thing people tell him is that he asked for it by the way he relates to the guy. Lot of truth in that. Now, I wouldn’t treat a child harshly, but when you’ve got a woman who’s a 3 year old in an adults body, and it’s a mess to let her get away with stuff, then you have to slam her.
Hey, this reminds me of whores and their pimps. Notice how the whores will tend to be rude and mistreat their johns? But they kiss their pimps feet. Same thing. They’ll do what they can get away with untill the alpha walks in the room.
I feel sorry for your dog.
Yes, it show’s they’re just as primal as men. No better, but certainly no worse than men. It seems to be me too many blokes here have been watching too many Hollywood movies & assume women in real life are just like the characters in said moves. You lot need to get real with yourselves, before pointing the finger at everyone else, especially women. Makes me wonder what you all think of your own mothers.
Bah ha ha ha. I agree! You’re absolutely right. About all of it. But not all women are like that. We’re just not. Having said that, the funniest thing to me is when men refer to other men they consider weak as having being “pussyfied”—cats are half feral, even when they’re being friendly & loving. They are the least domesticated animal we know. So whenever I hear of a man being accused of being a “pussy”, I think claws, teeth, feral maulings & attacks. None of those conjure up images of weak submission in my female brain. Rather the opposite. Men too are feral. They’ve just learnt to hide it better. Or at least some have. Don’t imagine you have it worked out when it comes to women because you don’t—neither have women. Even we don’t know what we want half the time so how can we tell you? If only men were happy with the average looking woman, the woman who doesn’t always turn heads but instead has a genuine heart & a genuine conscience. But they’re not. They all want the leggy blond with a chest like two beach balls. And when you go after a show pony—as show pony is what you get. So you have no right to complain later. You can’t have the best of both worlds. Cheers from an average woman, with an average body, with an average chest, with short legs, on an average income, with an average home of her own. Peace.
And now, let the feral comments from men begin bah ha ha ha ha ha!!!
Finally, a man with some common sense. Greetings from the Land of Oz. Cheers 🙂
I like your spunk. You have strong values & won’t be bullied into submission by half-wits. Well said dude. Well said. Why don’t men just relax and use their common sense when it comes to dealing with women I will never understand. Just be normal. Trust me, it will be fine. Gawd lol. Some men here, including the author of this enlightened article, have watched too many Hollywood movies & assume they know all there is to know about women, not to mention the fact that they think they’re all the same. What a tragedy for all of us because men are depriving women of their true selves by trying to be what they’re not. We don’t want fake men. Contrary to what the media tells you, women don’t want fake men. We want you to be your authentic selves—minus abuse, rape & violence of course. Just be yourselves for goodness sake. For your sakes. And for ours. Geeessh.
Dude, you’ve watched too much porn if you really believe “women in general are masochistic”. Seriously. You have. Get your head together before you destroy your life.
OMG!! A man with a mind of his own & the courage to say it. Marry me. Now!!
OMG a man with some logic, common sense, a mind of his own & the strength to express it without obscenities. Marry me. Now!
OMG a man with some logic, common sense, a mind of his own & the courage to express—without obscenities. Marry me. Now!
What a man!! You my friend, is the perfect example of what a good man is really like. A man who respects others but at the same time refuses to yield to rumours, gossip & misconceptions. A man who won’t participate in the desecration of all women driven by mob mentality. And you express yourself eloquently as a bonus. A man I would respect without a single ask. Well said. Well said indeed.
“out of attachment to their rapist?” …
You truly have no idea what you’re talking about. Grow up you sick, deluded fool.
Send me an PM dear. Let’s see how it goes.
Why is this such a far-fetched idea knowing that:
1. Most women want to keep their rape babies;
2. Women have a penchant for violent men and bad boys, and this would include rapists.
Came across these 2 youtube clips, these are true to real life.
Now see the 2nd one:
A man saying that “most women want to keep their rape babies” is another example of sheer arrogance, ignorance, and reeks of fifth century male chauvinism. You have no idea what you’re talking about. Idiot.
We don’t care about your home or income btw.
The minute you “slip” will ultimately determine how she perceives you forever. When it comes to the fairer sex that honestly goes to men. Simple gestures of curtsey are foreign to a lot of women.
Women are only attracted to archtypes and what you can do to facilite their goals (higher status/emotional tampon/alpha “rock”/whatever at the time. They will never admit this and it is probably all subconscious on their part, but growing old with the same woman who “loves” you for who you are is probably the preeminent male fantasy in existence. Even older generation couples, like some in my family who lived through the Great Depression and the women were probably loyal and good housewives for the men and stayed married for 50 years, the guys are almost always broken down and miserable at the end of the road. Roosh is right about the only 2 real alternatives for men considering the aforementioned realities, but it is nothing to be glum about once you truly accept the way the world works. It is the way our species evolved and fortunately we are surrounded by fellow brothers-in-arms who we can be authentic with while applying the masks we must wear (to a greater or lesser extent) with women in order to obtain their transient affections.
i’ve split my adult life between europe (mostly eastern), latin america, and the US. i noticed almost 20 years ago that there was something “off” about american women and without it being a conscious decision, stopped getting involved with them beyond flings. you guys are not making me regret that at all.
@GOJ-I am married and CONTANTLY walk on eggshells.
I don’t walk on eggshells at all. It’s why it caught me off guard, I don’t filter what I say usually, and she’s good with that. It kind of threw me.
Jesus.
She really doesn’t cotton to even minor displays of weakness. If I hadn’t been a natural when we met, she wouldn’t have even considered me.
Done all those things in italics, got shit on by girls. Do the opposite of those things in italics, “You dont care enough about me” and she leaves. FML.
And we though societal collapse was going to be bikers and punks and stuff.
Also – the “gaming while married”
One of the reasons I’m glad I’m an introvert.
I still – honestly – need to find men around my area to talk to, but at least, as I know I can never lean on my wife for support, I can recover somewhat spending time on my own.
What state are you in?
I’ll reply via email…
All of that is just the guy overthinking the situation. Plotting and planning, worrying and wondering. It’s destructive to his own mental health to constantly struggle over such mundane things. Compliment your woman if you genuinely get the urge. Who give a crap if she’s taking too long to text you back, we’re not women who complain about such nonsense. If she thinks you are weak for mourning a family member she has no ability to empathize and probably isn’t worth your time. Tell her she’s fun if she is. There is no implication of love there. You have fun with your friends and tell them, Why can’t you tell her the same?
Spoken like a true woman.
I know. Pretty much all of that crap is shit women would worry about, not men. This constant worrying and altering behavior to suit the perceived desires of others reminds me of the social justice crowd who worry constantly about every action and every word. They can’t do anything without driving themselves crazy by considering every possible reaction from others and trying to save themselves from being labeled or seen negatively. .
I know. All of that is stuff women would worry about. Reminds me of the social justice movement and how they police their own behavior and words to suit the perceived desires of someone else. They drive themselves crazy in micromanaging every action, every word to minimize any possible negative consequence of it. It’s ridiculous and self destructive.
I replied to this but my reply keeps getting deleted.
Guess it pissed off some butthurt woman.
I guess this is not an open forum for ideas and opinions.
Well, my own, personal experience is slightly different. Hell yes, it happens from time to time that I keep my feelings to myself in order not to appear weak in front of my woman, but these cases are the exceptions. On the contrary, she seems to trust me more, as the head of the family, because she knows that I (largely and mostly) am not hiding things from her.
Of course, if you totally break down over failures and disappointments, she will (rightly, perhaps) consider you weak. But to acknowledge a failure, be sad and/or disappointed about it for a while, and then collect yourself and move on, that is something different. I do not feel that she loses any respect for me, or thinks that I am weak, when that happens. Rather much the opposite, actually. Whether or not my experience is representative, I do not know, but I am sure that there are more women out there who can see the difference between a weak man and a man who can acknowledge his failures and limitations.
Been there. It’s a cold bucket of ice when you show a human side and your loving life-mate despises you for it. No matter how much you’ve given her over the years. I’m glad I’m divorced. Ironically, they love to complain about you to their freinds that they don’t think you have human feelings. They’re not worth worring about. . . You have to be yourself.
Good article and indeed a difficult situation, but I think there are ways to balance and manage to get a successful LTR going still, but it requires a rather brutally honest approach.
Becoming the alpha is not black and white, it’s a grey scale.
Women around the world are different in terms of the severity of their flakiness.
Money structures can be designed to make it a very bad deal for the girl to leave.
Choosing a girl carefully is possible but requires the above mentioned brutal honesty.
This hit the nail on the head. Everything mentioned in the article is the kind of BS I had to do in order to save my marriage. My parents raised me to be a good man, and I’m thankful for that, but that kind of man has no place in this world. I am constantly fighting to be something I’m not just to save myself from being shattered.
I’ve mentioned this movie before, but for the sake of the article, I must bring up Daddy’s Home. Through Will Ferrell’s well played beta character, it shows how men will try to change for a woman, especially if she has Mark Walbergh waiting in the wings to nail her, inseminate her again, and take off on her again so beta Ferrell has to impress her yet again.
I saw the trailer for that flick and it came across as a perfect example of AF/BB.
My brother, who’s married and has 3 kids, and I discussed the movie over the phone. He mentioned that, while he found it somewhat funny, the woman in it pissed him off so bad he stopped watching it halfways.
I only read the plot on Wikipedia and I was annoyed.
Just went and read it. Holy fuck-on-a-stick, that’s awful!
Like I said…it sounds like the fucking dysfunctional family of the future.
Yeah the wife watched it this weekend while I was grilling dinner. I was so annoyed by the flick I put on “Goodfellas” afterwards to erase the memory of it.
If you do watch it, I suggest having something to calm you down. I suggest chamomile tea, vodka, hot chocolate, weed, Percocet, a puppy to punch, etc. Especially, the basketball game scene, where she gets mad at Ferrell for spending $18k on scalped tickets while ignoring that even if if wasn’t the Lakers and Kobe playing, they’re expensive tickets anyways, yet she doesn’t give a fuck cause it’s for her kids, that will piss you off. Guaranteed.
I have no intentions of watching it…ever.
My wife tried to watch “Goodfellas” with me once and had to leave the room just going into the intro (trunk scene). Heh. Michael Franzese admitted that movie was pretty accruate to what it was like.
Ha, I watched GF over the weekend too. Once on, it can not be turned off.
Never watch with women.
Here is watching movies with women in my experience
I am watching Donnie Brasco because it is on and I can’t possibly change the channel. Girl comes over and sits on my couch. “Why is he doing this” “what is going on here” “this movie doesn’t even make sense”
I change channel.
That isn’t a recent one, but is the paradigm for every time I have ever watched a movie with a woman.
I love Wikipedia. I almost never bother seeing a movie anymore. After reading the wiki it is totally unnecessary. Saves me oodles of time.
I’ve told my wife to stfu several times during a movie. She asked me why once and I told her, “So you’re not asking the five W’s over and over again. Sit back and enjoy the film.”
I am terrible, because I can FEEL them not understanding and it aggravates me. I need to watch movies alone.
Nothing terrible about that. I stopped giving a shit if people get the story or not a long time ago. If the story is too complex (revenge, survival, revolution, can we really trust our neighbors? etc.) it’s not my problem they don’t get it.
But it does get frustrating at times.
My wife tried to humor me and watch Sin City one night. She was actually getting into the Marv story line, but then it turns to that young guy (black hair, forget his character name) and the bad cop and she starts the 20 question game. Drives me nucking futs. But hey, she thought the Marv story was super cool, so there is some hope.
Reservoir Dogs I don’t even bother to invite her.
Porn can be fun, like the full length “feature” films, Pirates comes to mind. The ground rules however were laid out in advance.
1. Yes, girls do look like that. See her on the screen? She’s a girl. See how she looks? Just like that.
2. We know the boobs are fake, you don’t have to say anything further.
3. Yes, the acting is horrible. Be quiet.
4. Further regarding point 3, since we know that the acting is horrible, and then we see the girl get into something really heavy and she’s clearly loving it, it means it’s actually fun and we should give it a try.
5. Calling her a Barbie Doll is not an insult. Don’t go there.
I actually just never get into porn, but all your points are taken.
Also, in response to “her boobs are fake” my response usually is “so are my feelings for you.”
Side note, boob job tech has come such a long way that I am at the point where I prefer a nice fake set as long as they aren’t disproportionally big and the job was high end.
No woman will ever understand that movie.
It’s ok…..it wasn’t meant for them. Just like you will never understand whatever chick flick comes out.
Also, in response to “her boobs are fake” my response usually is “so are my feelings for you.”
That has been filed for future use. Gold Jerry, Gold!
I don’t watch porn, except with women. It inspires them to greater heights as they try to match what’s happening on the screen. You know, girls being competitive with each other and such.
Right, agreed. Reservoir Dogs is straight hard red pill on celluloid.
I have never tried with women. There was one girl who used to watch it on her phone while I hit it from behind but she was all sorts of fucked up in the head.
It’s actually a pretty cool time, you just have to get the kind that has like 5 minutes of artsy fartsy stuff, or a bit of dialogue before fucking, and they’re usually really, really good with it. Don’t try the hardcore “here’s a DVD with 18 clips that are 10 minutes long a piece” stuff though, they do much better when they can pretend that they’re actually watching a “real” movie.
I tend to avoid watching movies with women opting for music and conversation instead. I guess it would be different if I was with the same woman for long enough, but as it is I tend to enjoy the lead up to getting naked better when active rather than passive.
Also, porn just seems weird and is a bit of a turn on. I constantly start thinking about girls I used to bang and wondering where they are, I think about the people the porn stars are lying to in their lives and how dead them are…I know it is odd, but it is just such a colossal turn off to watch for me.
I have no real emotions regarding porn stars bad choices. They did it to themselves. Not my problem.
Yeah, it’s not a go to first date activity, that’s for certain. If it is, you may want to double wrap it.
It’s odd…it isn’t emotional or like I feel bad for them, it is just that I start thinking about it and getting curious. Next thing you know, they are full coitus and I am wondering about some dead fish eyed thot I turned out back in the 90’s and wondering what she is up to.
“Here I am stuck in the middle with you…”
Speaking of Red Pill movies, have you ever seen Pierce Brosnan in The Matador. It was universally panned by everyone, but I really enjoyed it and there was a bunch of moments that were just fucking gold imo
Good for you. Don’t worry, I took the bullet for you….you’re welcome. 🙂
When I watch porn, at some point the thought will drift through my consciousness, “I would hate to be her father.”
Yeah, no kidding. It’s a serious thought too, that you get after you have a daughter. It’s rather worrying sometimes.
Amazing they follow up the hilarious cop movie”The Other Guys” with this. I heard a few years ago they were teaming up again, I assumed it would be for a sequel to that
Excellently stated Roosh! You eloquently phrased what I was wondering if you would get to as I was reading; we will need a fusion of beta and alpha qualities to attain quality relationships. I also sadly agree with your overall conclusion.
Coming here from a long term relationship, in retrospect I was inauthentic. It is hard not to be this when you have the game aspects figured out but the life aspect isn’t as strong. In a way, with the dawn on porn and the original game, we may have opened Pandora’s box with the truer hypergamous nature of women. There is one thing that is funny about this, to which I am curious if anyone is thinking along these lines; hypergamy can only exist in a economically free market.
So we have to be our real authentic selves to get quality relationships in theory. So the women need to see real strength, an ever changing concept that will always be current and never past tense. However, the woman herself will be past tense quite quickly yet thinks she deserves a real man. In most parts of the world where we aren’t as free, this would not work because the ability to gain resources for a woman is finite. This is why make-up is around. Same as Tinder. Porn influencing our sexual tastes, celebrity magazines and media showing us some of the most beautiful women in the world, yet all the while programming us to believe the schism of beauty to status all the more.
In a way, I feel we must become more authentic, be the fully realized alpha. But then what, we play the therapy game as we have to deal with women without fathers? Women who have the thousand cock stare? Women raising their seed with another man? Women who have been trained to be as capitalist with a vastly depreciated commodity, their bodies, morality, and value of men beyond passing resources? It seems like a trade of the inauthentic male authentic female cycle over to an authentic male, which will take a while to ingrain, paired with an inauthentic female. The game is quite rigged in the West.
On the plus, I do suspect all of our changes as men will make the West’s influence on the rest of the world vastly different in the future. For those who do survive, our women will be offering sex at a whim keeping us sated to conquer the world. For those who left, the men will have to potential strength to father children willing to storm America in vengeance for a lineage lost. The return to culture will revolutionize the West, as clearly society is starting to hunger for it. Even the people who don’t ascribe to our views. The road to being a superior man is an ugly one, and these women won’t like the results. Their daughters will thank Mommy and Aunty Spinster while ducking their piss stained cat shelters. I will remain realistically optimistic.
“we will need a fusion of beta and alpha qualities to attain quality relationships.”
Isn’t that a Gamma male, or something?
Close. I would actually shoot to call him the Omega man. The Gamma man would suggest we are adding some qualities and removing others, but I think we are leaning towards adding to a man’s social and mental qualities in a holistic way. Might even mean at some point the qualities that hurt us as ‘betas’ will also be quite useful as a superior man.
Costs vs. Payoff, you know?
Women aren’t worth the effort. Sex? How many sexual encounters can you really remember well enough to feel like you’re reliving the moment? How many of those are worth reliving?
If women were capable of fidelity and friendship, they might be worth the effort. In 40+ years of life, I have never met a woman capable of engaging me in a truly meaningful or interesting conversation. Even with things they claim to have interest in, they don’t know anything.
Women think only of their immediate surroundings and feelings. Talking to the average woman is to experience a level of narcissism which would be satire if seen in a man.
Talking to the average woman is to experience a level of narcissism which would be satire if seen in a man.
+1000 for Truth
Someone needs to do a video where the roles are flipped and gauge people’s reactions. It would be very telling.
Shit ! Now there’s a video idea. Where the guy acts as entitled as the chick. Imagine :
Guy: ,,This relationship isn’t working any more.”
Girl : ,,What do you mean?! What’s wrong?”
Guy : ,,You wouldn’t understand.”
Heck, it’s what I’ve used. Their own fire against them, and believe me, they can’t stand it.
Buahahahahaha :)))
Later edit
It’s like showing the cross to a bunch of devils.You can hear the hissing from their forsaken souls.
There you go!
Guy: “We need to talk”
Girl: “About what”
Guy: *sigh* “Never mind. Nothing.”
Girl: “No, seriously, what??”
Guy: *another sigh* “I can’t believe you can stand there and say that??”
Girl: “But, wait a minute, are you ok? What do you mean?”
Guy: *silence*
Girl: “Let me know when you’re ready to talk.”
Guy: *icy* “Fine” *stomps out of room*
Girl: “Dufuq?”
Had I met you guys when I was younger, I would have had a damned lot of fun ! GENIUS !
Rejection Video:
Girl: Hey, would you like to go out this Friday?
Guy: I’m busy, but thank you!
Girl: What about Saturday?
Guy: My cat needs me to wash his balls that night, so I don’t think I’ll be able to make it.
Girl: That’s cool. Any plans Sunday?
Guy: Not sure.
Girl: Ok. I’ll text you Saturday night to see if you can hang out.
Guy: Cool. I’ll let you know.
“Their own fire against them, and believe me, they can’t stand it”
i believe this is secretly is the reason they do it in the first place – everybody projects… Everybody. in females, they are so inherently solipsistic, that they cant properly fathom that anybody could think differently to them. so it manifests that way.
they obviously dont understand why theyre doing it, but the dumb sluts are basically telling you with their every action, “this is how to treat me, in order to drive me crazy with lust” you know what i mean?
i believe this is the reason a “natural” is a natural – because they think like women. they are predisposed to already thinking this way.
YouTube “Meninists”. It’s a bunch of dudes running around ” protesting” using feminist dogma and talking points but saying “man and men” instead of “womyn and womyn”. Pretty funny stuff.
Ok. I agree when talking about normal people. But how about when you talk about a race of humans that are educated from birth to lie, steal, cheat, murder & commit genocide ? Why do they secretly do it for ? Give me an answer, please !
what? are you taking the piss?
Research it, friend. Don’t believe strangers on the internet. Find the truth for yourself.
Upvoted !
Hahaha Holy shit….that is some next level Tao right there.
In all fairness, I think throughout the majority of human history (or the entirety), 95+% of women have been unable to carry on an intelligent conversation. That’s why men seek out other men for friendships.
“I have never met a woman capable of engaging me in a truly meaningful or interesting conversation.”
I am constantly dealing with the aforementioned comment when I got out on dates. They cannot get passed the superficial,women are boring now.
I’m afraid they have always been that way. It’s a man’s job not to be boring.
It’s like pulling teeth trying to get them to elaborate or go deeper into the topic.
and then they think most men are boring, because they ask so many mundane questions – all the while never realizing that its their own social ineptitude that creates the situation in the first place.
nevermind the fact that they never have even the most rudimentary understanding of any of their supposed “interests” and have to protect themselves from being exposed as a fraud
Precisely!
And they get annoyed when you ask such questions, not knowing that your are genuinely trying to get to know them and what they are all about. Is it not what they want? for a man to get to know them on a non-intimate/non-superficial. Come on ladies, make up your minds.
To quote Solomon The Wise…”This is what I have discovered…while searching out the matter..I found one upright man among a thousand, but not one upright woman among them all”. Ecclesiastes 7:27-28
they were all on their backs
“In 40+ years of life, I have never met a woman capable of engaging me in a truly meaningful or interesting conversation.”
Of all the women I’ve been with, I’ve known one. Only ONE. And she had multiple degrees. She loved talking to me because I was the only guy she’d been with who she felt could converse on “her level.” The fact that I was a rough and tumble bounty hunter who never went to college just gave her tingles even more. Would have been interesting to see how it would have turned out if she hadn’t developed such major health issues.
This issue is something I deal with in every relationship I have. Simply put, those who are well-centered and living with purpose, must “negotiate” in order to communicate, work, or live with someone that is not well-centered and not living with purpose. There is no way around it. Reading monks and philosophy has helped me deal with this.
I read somewhere that we all exist on different planes of consciousness. The more you learn and grow, the higher you get. If you read and contemplate philosophy and deeper subjects (like most men), you’re on another level than a little girl that watches reality TV and other junk. Same goes for the food we eat and how we take care of ourselves. Y
Young, western females (and many males) are just simply basic, simple creatures. Its unfortunate that they get so arrogant and insufferable when they become educated and successful.
Interesting comment- I dont understand how women of every age group can watch reality tv…it boggles the mind
It’s the modern equivalent of gossiping. Since people are no longer social, you don’t have as much standing out by the back fence gossiping about your neighbor going on. Social media has people pretending to live Fabulous Lives so they’re all too focused on their own online personas and not so much on others. Reality TV fills this void.
Just a hypothesis of mine, in any event.
They love watching melodramatic maniacs. How boring would a “Real Husbands…” show be? Four guys on a boat, nobody says jack shit to each other for an hr, then someone says pass me a beer 30 minutes later…then 30 minutes later, one guy would fart and everyone would laugh…you’d have to time lapse the entire show, leaving you with less than a minute of drama
Yeah, we call those fishing shows or hunting shows, you can still catch them on cable I think. I actually enjoyed watching them from time to time on a lazy Sunday morning, back in the day.
“when they become indoctrinated and successful.”. Fixed it for ya.
I had one ask me how I was so smart yet never went to college. I told her it was because when I was a kid, I would watch Jeopardy instead of watching illiterates “buy a vowel” on wheel of fortune.
Yes, the younger folks aren’t concerned with a better life. They enjoy sleep walking…
It’s a lot less hassle to stay true to yourself, say ‘fuck em all’ and rub one out when you need to.
“..the married man has to permanently wear the clown suit and hope she never strays,”
No, it would kill you and not to mention you would grow to resent her. Every married man will have the occassional fight with his wife (we’ve all been there), but I learned a long time ago never beg or cave to her threats. Also if you start thinking (suspicions) you need to watch her, you don’t need her.
“especially if he married an attractive Western woman.”
Crux of the issue right there.
Never cave to her threats…just like with children.
Roosh nails it here. I agree that being authentic and true to myself is the path to the greatest amount of happiness. Of course there are obstacles. Some are necessary and some are not. I am a slave to the passage of time. I can mitigate its effects by living a healthy life style and stay in shape, but I am not 22 and every day I get older.
Further, while some may say this is not necessary, in order to be my authentic me I need money and this means I need to work. I have a very good job. However, a job is like a relationship. I can’t be a full blown authentic version of me at work or I will not be as successful and could, knowing me, be fired.
Women is the variable that is easiest to change. While they have the greatest effect on a man’s ability to be himself, they are also the easiest to go without….especially because after a while you will realize you are better off without them.
I have come to a stage in my life where I consider myself MGTOW Plus. I like girls. I like being around them. I like making them laugh and cum and god help me I like when they beg for more. I even like it when I take them out and I watch them doing the math in their heads about how much guys who took them out before actually sucked at it.
That said, I do not enjoy (and am not good at) relationships. They kill my soul. The drain everything and give me nothing in return but stale pussy I have long since grown tired of.
So MGTOW Plus for me…which is essentially MGTOW just with non-committed dating and boning which, in a target rich urban area with young professional women worried about their careers, I find to be easily accomplished and leaves enough of me in tact that I can still be myself.
The one thing about this is that you have to always be honest. If you are going to lose that girl you want to bone unless you make her think there is a future, let her go. I have failed at this almost as often as I have succeeded, but I get better and better with practice.
As always, not saying this is right for everyone, but it seems to be working for me.
The eternal player lifestyle works for a certain percentage of men. Clearly it works for you. If that’s what you want to do, so be it.
It def isn’t for everyone. Some people really need the stability and care that comes from a partner. In truth, I wish I was one of them. I would love to be in one of those relationships, I am just not suited for it. Just like I would love to play shortstop on a MLB team, but I just can’t play ball.
That said, player may be the wrong term. I have essentially decided to be alone. However, the pipes need draining and there is fun to be had on dating. My dates are fairly narcissistic at this point. The girl is just an accessory I wear when I go out and something I masturbate into when I get home.
Most of them get it and are ok with it. I am pretty good at pre-selection. So while the player is playing the field, I like to think of MGTOW plus more as being alone but in the process of being alone having an occasional hobby of going out with pretty girls and cumming all over them
“being alone but in the process of being alone having an occasional hobby of going out with pretty girls and cumming all over them”
That…that…is…beautiful.
“My dates are fairly narcissistic at this point. The girl is just an accessory I wear when I go out and something I masturbate into when I get home”.
I’m sitting here trying to think of something that can accurately describe what it felt like reading this one but I’m literally at a loss for words. Wow. One thing I will say is, you never know. Maybe one day you will retire that jersey to one of your biggest fans.
Now to break the drama, can you please explain your stupid-ass user name? Thanks.
It’s not all that confusing. Some 5 years ago I had an accident while pretending I was still 18 and I tore my acl, mcl, lcl and destroyed my meniscus all in one shot
Eh?
being stupid I hurt my knee. lol.
More power to you, brother. I, admittedly, am still trying to erase those years of cultural upbringing that tells me men who plan to never marry or even settle down in a LTR are weird. Logically, it makes perfect sense and in the unlikely event of divorce I’ll probably do the same thing as you, but something deep down just keeps nagging at my subconscious.
I was socialized in the same way. I started to notice, however, that every time I was in a relationship I would sit there wishing I wasn’t. I remember clearly dating a very attractive girl. I was sitting and having dinner with her at a nice place. She was dressed nice. She was smart and sweet and hot. For all intents and purposes I should have been having a great time. However, all I thought while I was sitting there was a mix between how much I wanted to be alone and how much I wanted to bone (less attractive) waitresses in that restaurant.
Then I laughed to myself and thought, not only do I not want to be here, I want to be anywhere but here AND I am fucking paying for the pleasure with my time and money….dafuq am I doing.
I broke up with her that night in an American Psycho inspired break up “Evelyn, you just aren’t that important to me”
Maybe I am enlightened or maybe I am broken…but this is who I am and I want to stop being miserable while pretending I am someone else.
Fairly honest. Being on the relationship side of the belt is no different. I have had the same gnaw when looking at depreciated pussy. I don’t have a problem with a slut per se. Just no STDs and no blatant expressions of your sluttiness. She should just know I wouldn’t choose a relationship with her. I have always been a fan of the harem but without the consistent running around. In that way, I am solely into the relationships and can be with one person for a while, but would prefer the option to bury my seed wherever I choose and not slink back like some coward trying to steal a cookie. That much is brutal for many women and being demoted bruises a woman’s ego, so I stayed single but that would be my highest aspiration; a pride with me as the head.
It is a simple enough thing to accomplish. Get rich. If you have an 8 or 9 figure net worth with a passive annual income over 5m you can round up all the harem models you want.
Short of that, nah.
You did hit the nail on the head when you say “without the constant running around.”
I refuse to go anywhere more than a mile from my home for a date. There are plenty of places and I know them all. Unless there is something I really want to go to and I find a date specific for that event (like picking shoes to wear) I am never going to far. It is great because certain waiters and bartenders laugh when they see the cooze d’jour and when I come in alone it is always a fun chat.
If you call getting that kind of money simple, salute.
No, getting the money is hard. Living the life once you have it is simple.
Yeah back in hs teachers would always say when all of you are married and have children you’ll understand and i always just sat there like well i hope that’s not true
How old are you? Im 28 and plan on spinning plates until at least 35 and then go to Central America for a wife. If I find a unicorn in the US I’ll settle down. I think there are a ton of marriageable girls in the US if you look in the right places.
I also live in Chicago and would never get in a relationship here. Too many hot girls around.
I am quite a bit older than 35. I did the plate spinning for a long time, but decided it was too hard to grow while concentrating. I know the distinction between what I am doing and plate spinning is very subtle, but I really believe the difference is huge to me. I don’t “hunt” in a traditional sense. I am just friendly and outgoing in ever situation with no thought of getting laid and just in my day to day life at the gym, café, restaurants, parks, whatever I wind up finding girls and explain to them that I am a bird not to be caged. I don’t think I could do this if it was a tactic, it is just who I am.
In this way I don’t think of it as wearing a mask when I am around them…it’s just: who the fuck are they that they should see me. They are there for fun and so am I.
I must say, if the unicorn walked right up to me I would point east and say “keep walking.”
I look forward to the day when my sex drive totally dies out and I can finally go full mgtow. As it turns out, that is still a long way off. In the meantime, I will play with the chickens.
Good for you man ! Many happy returns !
I thought you were below 25. Nice to know mature folk are hanging around this place.
Quite a few of us are in our 30’s and beyond.
I think GoJ is pushing 63 this year…heh.
mature is a nice way to put it lol. If it wasn’t for GoJ I would feel like a really old fuck.
Aw c’mon, I’m only 4 years behind you. We’re essentially the same age at this stage of our lives.
I am not kidding. At least you guys can give some solid real advice. I find myself in the late 20’s and what we can do ( besides adapt ) is to report facts back here…and that’s it. No functioning strategy. Zielch !
yeah, you are old af dude.
If not for GoJ we would be dinosaurs.
I think you guys consumed too much of them Kratom jokes. Your every reply contains a dose of funny. -Grammar error intended.
If we didn’t make a joke of everything, it’d probably get too damn depressing around these parts.
GOJ went to high school with Moses.
True, true… If ROK ever becomes something that everybody loves, one beer’s on me.
He makes Methuselah look like a spring chicken.
Took nefrititi to the prom
First stone put in place for the Great Pyramid? It was him
He used to eat at Burger Prince.
Good attitude to have, lolknee!
groan
his social security number is 000-00-0004
better?
haha- yep. Hes so old he discovered fire(but forgot to patent it)
I’m having to stifle my laughter at work. These are akin to Chuck Norris jokes, but not nearly as flattering.
That was before Edmund Patent invented the Patent
I am kind of upset that he isn’t here for this.
I suppose he is taking a nap. Sucks when quality trolling goes to waste.
I’ll have you know……um….wait a minute….I forgot….um….
Git offin’ mah lawn!!!
.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJxNi1o6Upg
“Oh Walker!” I almost spit out my drink.
I have to know – who’s 1, 2 and 3?
I suspect they are all wizards.
You’ve said too much
I feel like I will eventually want to settle down. Not sure when it will be or how I’m going to do it but someday. 35 has always been the age I pictured retiring from the game but we’ll see. My brother is 45, just got his second divorce, and says hes never getting married again.
Pay attention young’un. I just found this place a couple months ago, and these “old” dudes know their shit.
I wish this was around in my late teens. For so many years I wandered the world knowing that SOMETHING was wrong but I didn’t know what. I didn’t start to understand what that something was until I was “red pilled” in other philosophical areas when I turned 40. I am 44 and still learning, but the advice I see from dudes on here that are my age and older is like death and taxes in how for “sho’nuff” it is.
I can’t count how many “Holy shit, that is so true!” moments I have had just creeping the comments section the last couple of months.
Pay attention, you can learn a lot from them on how to cultivate your own happiness from within, instead of relying on external resources (pussy) for happiness, the way a lot of us had been raised to do.
Understood.
Yes, sir !
Marriage is a contract to screw your life. Even if you find a unicorn you should have a LTR with her. But never marry.
“I also live in Chicago and would never get in a relationship here. Too many hot girls around.”
Chicago is the best. Always had a blast there. Wife and I spent a night in Chicago a few years ago. She went to bed early and I went to a bar across the street to watch some football. Women (tourists) were approaching me and I was getting annoyed as all I wanted to do was watch the game.
People are always telling me how great Chicago is….it seems, however, that they are always extolling that cities virtues while living somewhere else.
Chicago doesn’t exist, remember? Nothing exists outside NYC.
I do hear tell of some city somewhere between NYC and LA (presumably 50 miles).
Camden, NJ
The city corruption, crime (south side) and cost of living keeps most people out, but the regular people in the street are nice compared to any other metropolitan center. It makes for a great weekend. Would recommend.
I might try a Chicago weekend sometime.
Beautiful women everywhere and they are friendly. Any kind of approaching skills can get you a lot of action around here. The beaches in the summer are filled with options.
Heh, we are in the same city. Personally the area lacks a strong variety, but there are plenty of hot white girls. Especially from the suburbs. I have spun a few plates out here and find it unrewarding to begin a relationship out here. You have the right idea.
Its a great city to be single, not so good for a relationship. There are a ton of young white and Latina girl right out of college. Chicago black girls turn me off but its diverse enough for me.
Agreed on all counts. I still have to travel around to find the spanish ladies but agree on the Chicago black girls. New York and elsewhere have spoiled me. Tattoos across the chest, weaves, another man’s child, and an attitude about who should approach you? No thanks.
Same here, I lived in Atlanta for two years before coming here. I took for granted how many quality black women I was around down there.
Good thinking, BrockSamson.
If you haven’t been to Colombia, give it a go. I went last summer and had an amazing time. The women are very attractive and the chances of finding a loyal and pretty girl are a lot higher than in the US.
BUT I agree with Jordan, never marry.
I have got a well-paid job and with a little bit of luck I will be able to retire very early.
Looking forward to dating some young Colombian hotties who won’t mind the age difference. I actually had some conversations with some girls at the Juan Valdez coffee shop in Bogota and they all told me that they don’t mind an age difference and in fact prefer it. Many of those women had a boyfriend who was about 10 years their senior!
I was positively surprised by these comments!
I’m headed to B____ next month! Possibly long term. Any words of wisdom or advice??
Dont drink the water. And when I say water, I mean cocaine
Well, depends what you are interested in and where you’ll stay in the city…
I am a heavy coffee drinker, so I felt that the Juan Valdez coffee shops that you see at every corner are a great place to hang out and meet people. The coffee is really good as well, they have got a nice selection.
The most important piece of advice I can give you is the following:
If your Spanish isn’t fluent already, then learn Spanish as quickly as possible and constantly try to improve it! The more Spanish you speak, the more you will enjoy the conversations with the locals!
My Spanish is quite good and many Colombians were positively surprised to meet a “gringo” with whom they can actually have a decent conversation…oh, yeah…did I already mention that it gave me lots of brownie points with the girls, too?
I’ve been seriously considering going MWGTOW. I too enjoy the company of women. As Roosh put it, i would gladly approach 1,000 times if it meant finding a true gem. But I know that won’t happen. For now, I am just focusing/building my mind, body and soul and enjoying women along the way.
We are in a similar boat which is why I call it MGTOW plus.
The difference is that not only am I not trying to find a true gem, but if I did I would probably send her packing.
I just want an occasional bubbly idiot with low body fat and no understanding of consequences.
I hear ya! I guess I am not there yet where I will send a gem packing. But I do enjoy my alone time. You hit it on the head with another comment where you talk about having dinner with a great gal and how you told yourself you didn’t want to be there and broke it off with her. I enjoy those moments with certain women but in doses. At the moment, I feel no desire to return to a LTR lifestyle where that is a constant. I’d rather be home reading, working out, chill with my buddies or just watch a movie.
The problem with the gem, as I see it, is that a real gem will want things that I am not willing or don’t have to give.
This means I can either deceive the gem which will have the two fold consequence of a) making for an ugly and messy ending that I have to deal with /clean up after and b)making her jaded and therefore reducing the number of gems in the world. OR on the other hand, I can politely dismiss the gem, send her back into the wild, and find some vapid and giggling girl who has a green juice addiction and a job at lululemon and show her a good time until I decide I am bored and part company clean because she knew it was nothing serious to begin with.
in a certain light, you’re committing a selfless act by staying away from a gem.
I have always seen it that way. It also has the benefit of being much less work for me..
Ha-ha…I have more or less espoused this philosophy to women who ask me why I “never got married.” (That is code for “what’s wrong with you?). They always say, ” that’s why you’re 30 and still singl…that’s why you’re 35 and still single….that’s why you’re 40 and still single…etc.” As if preferring to be alone instead if with the wrong person is some kind d of character flaw.
Of course, there is my personal favorite: “You’re going to end up a lonely, bitter old man with no one who cares about you.”
Hahahahaha. Projection much, sweetheart?
Because of course my happiness totally depends on external resources from others, as opposed to being happy from within based on how I have chosen to live my life and how I SHARE it (not give it) to others that I care about and connect with.
You just described my life in one post. It is so weird to see how I have lived my entire life echoed by other men. Now to see an entire movement/philosophy/lifestyle given an actual label after the last 2 decades of living it, is just so surreal.
MGTOW plus….it makes sonmuch sense.
depressing. i don’t know man, it’s not like what you describe for me and my wife. yeah, i behave like a man around her and don’t dwell on my anxieties, but it doesn’t feel like i’m acting. i’m free to compliment her beauty and do little romantic things as much as i want, and it makes her happy rather than pushing her away. she’s from central america and a very devout catholic, so maybe part of the reason things are different for her is that we were married in the church and she sincerely believes that she only gets one marriage, so she better make this one work.
maybe try regular church attendance in central america if you yearn to settle down? every time i go to mass with my wife in her country there are way more women than men, and lots of cute young girls. you already speak spanish.
she’s from central america and a very devout catholic,
That’s the explanation.
maybe try regular church attendance in central america if you yearn to settle down?
Been to a church in the U.S. lately? If you’re big into concerts and 24/7 entertainment and glitz, ok, that works, but if you want a solemn place to contemplate the Divine you’re shit out of luck. Plus they pedastalize the living FUCK out of women, who are all ‘born again virgins’ who got tired of riding 200+ cocks and decided to find Jesus.
That’s why you have to travel and get your import licenses in order ;-).
It’s an investment but not that huge, around $30k and you’re done. That includes two trips for you, two for her, stay, paperwork etc.
Seems like a lot of work to take up a Mass now and then. Heh.
the lengths some men will go for for a piece of Mass
I met a girl a few years ago who was very “religious”
I thought it was odd because she had a nose ring and dressed like a punk rocker. But she was young and cute and ready to go and I wasn’t looking for a life mate…just a fun little sheath to put the sword in now and again….and boy was she fun. But she would go hot and cold. She would be so excited and responsive and fun and then would get massively depressed. That was ok, I just avoided her and eventually I would get a call “let’s go out for drinks”
Anyway, she said she went to church every sunday. At first I thought it was her way of blowing me off because she had a brunch date with some other dude or something, but one day she asked me to come.
Figuring wtf, new experience, I went. They were all like her. Early 20’s, piercings, crazy dyed hair, tattoos. It looked like a fucking Sex Pistols show. Probably 70% girls. They were super flirty. There was a guy with a guitar singing about Jesus and then everyone talked about how they used to be druggies. One girl was even a former child prostitute. She was talking about the old days when she was a hooker like an old lady despite only being 22.
When this girl I was seeing told me she was religious and went to church I was thinking she was the wacky family member looking to experiment but from a family of otherwise good morals and that she would, eventually, regret her experiment and settle down.
No no no no. I have since learned from her and others that if a girl who is blowing you also happens to mention she is religious it just means she is even crazier and sluttier than you already think
Yeesh! …that’s all I got…Yeesh.
Right?
I’ve seen people like that downtown where I live. They’re worth a chuckle during art expos.
I find them funny now, but when I first encountered it I was really taken aback. I mean, I wasn’t a kid either. I was an adult so I figured I’d seen it all. Just goes to show…
Yep. I live in an area where there are several Spanish missions from the colonial era that are still standing as well as some later Lutheran churches. All are made from stone, crafted by expert builders from the old world. Whenever I see the new “churches” I’m reminded of corporate buildings and rock concerts. It’s quite disgusting if you ask me.
I suppose when a woman like tha says she lets Jesus in her heart, she probably means an actual guy named Jesus from her congregation.
and by heart she means ass.
well done.
c Let me guess- it was an Episcopalian church?
And she’s likely using “heart” euphemistically to mean “vagina”. heh
Jesus pronounced Hey Zeus
Always had fun in college when the Jehovah’s Witnesses came knocking around my neighborhood that coincidentally had a bunch of Mexicans….they stopped dropping by after the first couple of visits.
“Have you met Jesus?”
“Yeah, he lives 2 doors down. Bit of a dick.”
honestly don’t remember which brand of jesus it was.
It wasn’t the pentacostal girl (who was a spectacular lay and a pain in the ass to deal with after)….that is the only one whose denomination I remember.
All I know was that I was the oldest person in the room and the whole thing seemed like a mix between a party, a punk concert and a cult.
Now the question is how did you dress and did you stand out like a sore thumb?
Can’t remember exactly, but more than likely jeans, button up, wool blazer
and yes.
Oh to be a fly on the wall during that debacle.
Amazing, you wear a 3 piece suit to the butcher, and you cant bother to get gussied up for church?
I wish I could say it was crazy, but I pretty much sat there looking confused and trying to be polite.
Sounds like when I got dragged to a church my grandmother was attending MANY years ago. People were jumping up and speaking in tongues and the pastor was saying “hallelujah” non-stop for 5-10 minutes at a time. Was surreal for someone who had gone to the same Methodist church his whole life where the liveliest it got was when the pianist switch to the organ.
I would have been happy too but she told me not to. She was in ripped jeans and a t shirt. She said it was a youth church and not a stuffy one.
As it was I was incredibly over dressed. It was like I was babysitting.
Come on man, funny pun aside, we shouldn’t fuck around with the Lord’s work.
All my life I have waited for a Witness to knock at my door. I have like 8 million responses. I would probably drop dead of a heart attack trying to say just one. But never once.
My condolences that you’ve never experienced the joy of messing with a Jehovah’s Witness. It is truly spectacular. Like watching a sunset.
I made a sign for my place. “No soliciting. We’re broke and uninterested.”
Whenever religious folks come knocking, I simply stop them mid-sentence and state: “Why would I want to talk about a book when you clearly can’t read? The sign is up for people like you.”
I have a sign like the king has up in Sherwood Forest in Bugs Bunny’s classic “Rabbit Hood”
No Poaching. Not Even an Egg.
Ok, well not really but yuk yuk
Something to be said for those old-school Protestant churches though, no? A staid simplicity that is virtually non-existent in 21st century America.
The upside to having a doorman- they keep the riff-raff out
Indeed. Too bad they started getting corrupted by the leftist agenda.
Hey I’m not the one wishing the Lord to fill that void in my life. They do. Can’t be a coincidence that them vixens are the ones going to church for “spirituality”, or else I’ll be damned if the Catholic schoolgirl stereotype wasn’t true.
You try to encapsulate Christendom by reporting it to how young women live their lives ? Not a healthy way brother. I’m not in any position to argument pros of Christianity besides being born in it’s heart. My family, my people, my country, my history are threads of my life woven together with the warp of Orthodox Christianity. It was hard for me to see it at first. Try to find God and you’ll find Him and His works right in your family and house. Pray for a sign and you’ll be glad you did. Peace unto you, brother !
Funny how they didn’t become religious until after getting knocked up.
Indeed. As Rollo calls it, “Epiphany Phase”. We recognize it as “hit the wall or about to, time to pretend to settle down and nab a beta to support her three illegitimate kids”. Churches are great places to snag simpering betas who are already programmed to lay down and be walked all over for The Lord.
Depends on your geography. The majortiy of the people at catholic church in my neighborhood looks like an old folks home, but the russian orthodox has a lot younger families with kids.
Both appear to be “beta” and “post-slut” free though.
Makes me grateful for my internal b.s. detector. Any woman who claims to be religious but only after a number of things makes me suspicious.
I’ve got to get to an Orthodox church, don’t know why I keep putting it off.
It’s because you don’t see it’s use. But it is. You’ll see it in due time. The book says it’s the devil keeping you away from the Lord’s presence. And…2 times out of 3 it’s true.
I do see its use, I’m a Christian and I’m not avoiding church, per se, I’ve just walked into so many that are absolutely horrible that it’s put a huge distaste in my mouth.
I know where you’re coming from. Get this…in my country’s recent history ( because my people are religious to a large degree ) the s.o.vi3t secret security started infiltrating the church. Guess what the priest who heard confessions did – that’s right, a report directly to HQ. Next day, arrests were intense. So, coming from a place that gives religion a second look before engaging, I still encourage people to it.
You could do what I do. When I go to church, I get dressed and leave the house around 9 am. I drive in any random direction and I stop and attend services at whatever church I am passing by between 930-1000 am. I go in, get my God on and get the fuck out. Nothing can mess up your relgion like other people. Of course, I’ve never run any “church game” though cuz I’m never there long enough to care.
That’s a very interesting tactic actually. I guess I just long for something like what the CC was back in the 1930’s. Lots of solemn ceremony, Latin mass, deep, powerful music sung by a choir (in Latin), etc. It’s hard for me to concentrate when some modern church Kenny Loggins is blaring on with lame chord progressions on his electric geee-tar.
Bingo! I know a girl right now, from South America, hooking me up with a nineteen year old. The lady in question? Married to the first guy she had sex with and only guy she has been with.
That’s the condition to get them in. Nice.
that’s why i recommended central america to roosh. central american churchgoers seem to take christianity pretty seriously. i know i’ve told this story on here before, but before we got married her priest told her “remember, when you get to the united states that feminism is to work of the devil and is not a good basis for family life.” we’ve been to mass here in the US a few times and while it’s not quite the horror show you described, i can’t imagine a priest here getting away with that. maybe things are slightly better with the catholics in the US than the protestants, i don’t know.
I was referencing Protestants mostly, good catch, I should have been clearer.
Can you please give me the contact info for that priest? Seriously.
i did notice a large minority of evangelicals in a lot of places in central america. not sure if they’re as free of feminism as the catholics, but maybe they are. could be that the feminisation of church is more a western cultural thing. might be something for any of you single guys who go south of the border to check out if you don’t want to deal with some of the downsides of cathlocism like the strict anti-birth control rules.
Give him his plaque for “Priest of the Year”
I was thinking of making contact should I ever decide to marry. But actually, I travel a bit to Central Am. and if he’s in the area, I wouldn’t mind making a donation to such a worthy church.
Yeah it seems the only churches that are standing by their ways are the really old school ones, like i go to which is eastern orthodox
This weekend I met an older woman from the Mideast. She was orthodox Christian, a former Palestinian whose parents left when their land was taken to form Israel in the 40s. She attends the eastern Orthodox church here. I have decided to visit. But she told me there are basically no young girls. They, including her youngest daughter, have all left to go to the rock n roll megachurch that has a Starbucks inside it (really).
That’s just sad.
Wow that is sad, but yes i go to an old school chirch with about 50 people id say and id say there are about 3 or 4 attractive young women, the good thing is they seem like actual quality women and jd bet they are all virgins
My experience has been similar to yours except that my wife was American-born. Granted, that was twenty years ago but even then she was a rare find – pretty 23-year old virgin, no tattoos, no piercings (other than earlobes), no bitchy sense of entitlement. She’s from a big traditional family with many devout Catholic ladies that somehow instilled in her nonna’s old world values (sadly, the old country exists now in name only as it’s been corrupted by Western mores and pop culture).
The marriage has had its ups and downs and required some adjustments on my part to the promiscuous bachelor’s life I was engaged in many years ago. Overall though, it’s been a good marriage. There’s definitely no area in my life where I feel more authentic than with my wife and kids. I think I’ve been lucky to develop the alpha + beta = omega fusion described above.
When we were preparing for marriage, we had to choose a reading for the service. I wanted Ephesians 5:2 because I like it but, truth be told, also to shit test her a little. I know a lot of nominally Catholic women that see themselves as progressive and don’t like the text because they think it’s too patriarchal…
“Wives should be subordinate to their husbands as to the Lord… For the husband is head of his wife… So wives should be subordinate to their husbands in everything.”
The full text is a lot more nuanced than that as it demands a lot from the husband too. However, I was glad that my wife-to-be had no issues with it.
Good article on the lack of authenticity in modern Western culture. I’d like to think it’s too pessimistic though. Maybe that’s just wishful thinking on my part as I have two daughters that I’d like to marry off within the next ten years. I try my best to keep them grounded in the old world ways and inoculated against the insanity of modern feminism and pop culture trash (but engaged enough so that they don’t go into the world wide-eyed and naïve). I hope there are still some men out there for them that haven’t become too jaded on account of feminist bullshit.
that’s great, man. things were pretty different 20 years ago and although it wasn’t a given, i think it was still quite possible to find a good woman in north america. speaking of tattoos, IIRC they weren’t that common back then especially not on women.
True. It was a while ago. Surprisingly though, 20 years doesn’t seem like so far in the distant past when you’re mid forties. A lot of today’s underlying dynamics were already apparent back then but, yah, it’s obviously gotten dramatically worse. I see it with my nephew. Smart, decent , good looking kid in college but awkward as hell. Similar to me at that age but his circumstances are worse than mine were. Definitely needs some A game.
Regarding tattoos, 20 years ago you’d see the odd college girl with a small rose or something stupid like it that they got in an effort to be transgressive. When I see those girls now, the little rose on the ankle that looked sort of cool in college looks like a greenish-grey smudge of dreck (at least on the ones that haven’t already got the tattoo removed). All those tramp stamps you see nowadays will look exponentially worse than that. If I were younger, I’d consider tattoo removal as a trade because it’s sure to be a growth business in the years ahead as these girls try and erase their past mistakes (or at least the ones that can be erased).
i’ve thought about somehow investing in tattoo removal too. surgery to repair maimed ear lobes (from gauges) might be a good investment option in the near future too. i live in a big western city, and there are already billboards on the biggest street in town advertising tattoo removal services.
Is fixing those big holes from ear gauges even possible? I can’t believe the way some people are deforming their bodies in this age of mutilation.
i don’t know if it is yet, but gauges have to go out of style eventually (god willing before my kids become teenagers) and those hideous, maimed earlobes are going to look even stupider than they do now. you’d have to think where there’s profit to be made, someone will come up with something.
Ah…
Your last sentence had me die a little inside. I hope so too.
Don’t let them end up in my situation.
This is why I think the only forward for young men is MGTOW. We young men will never have families, children, or meaningful relationships with the opposite sex. It’s becoming too dangerous to bang sluts. Feminism won, and young men are suffering, and there is little hope for a meaningful future.
We’ve really got to work on programming the Pessimism out of you, jz. Heh.
You’ve got your work cut out for you, Ghost. My dad’s been trying to do that for the last 15 years.
Is your dad as red pill as GOJ?
It will happen naturally I suspect, once you see social waves come and go and balance each other out enough times to start to recognize the pattern.
I wish. Blue pill Boomer father.
Nothing against your father, but someone like that will never get the pessimism out of you. Mine was the same and I’m still sorting the bullshit out of my psyche.
same here.
This too shall pass. Nature has a wonderful, and sometimes ironic, way of balancing things out.
That’s what my proctologist tells me….
Well played.
What about the muslim invasion? How do we calculate that whopper ?
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Extremely funny, but did you know that the guy in that picture is …….a JEW!
Bang !
How about them apples ?
Can’t remember his name though…
Jeff Goldblum. He is best known for using a Macbook to hack into an alien mainframe and disabling their defenses..
And being completely useless while dinosaurs run around eating people’s faces off.
At first I thought your were pulling my leg, but then after taking my Kratom, I think it might be true !
SHIT !
He was my favorite character in the book. In the movie, I liked the ole man, the crazy dude who invented it all.
Doesn’t he die in the book? Guess they didn’t have the heart to off him in the movie.
I can’t remember. I need to re-read that one. Crichton is my favorite modern author. I do know he only wrote 2 books, but there are 4 films, 2 of which suck horribly.
Feminism will implode. It’s unsustainable. They will eventually turn against one another or turn against the LGBT groups.
They are already doing so. They are so intolerant that if one of their own puts a toe out of line, they’re tarred and feathered.
Funny you mentioned it. There are feminists trying to ban porn in the EU. Now, it would be unfair to say all feminists think exactly alike, like comparing Catholics to Jehovah’s Witnesses. However, after bitching and whining about letting their sexuality loose (all motherfucking puns intended), now this. Wonder what the slut pride feminists think about it.
http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2016/04/a-crisis-of-education/478206/
http://www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/government-tyranny/european-union-to-ban-pornography-then-men/
Another Young Men here and I can say that I’m not going to surrender. I’m a Dark Triad instead. I just take and take everything I want from women and dump them like the trash they are (todays women). I have multiple gf’s at the same time etc.
Am I a Jerk? Yeah, Probably.
Is this immoral? Hell yeah.
Do I care? Nah.
It’s funny you say this because THIS is the result of the stupidity of feminism.
“Dark Triad”
How’s Ivan ? I haven’t visited the site in a long while.
Someone who gets it
Neah, I guess you’re pretty much looking for a wife in the snake pit. And that’s true for most of us.
One of the hardest things a man has to do in order to have any meaningful relationship with a woman is to adjust his expectations of what she’s interested in. Beta men assume she’s in to video games or football or most other things men find appealing.
But common interests can be found. Just going for a walk usually is enough.
It still is possible to meet a great long-term GF by being mostly yourself. I had a long relationship with a cute, smart, loving ex of mine. She was an immigrant though. My current GF is amazing, she loves me, does many things to make me happy and Im not playing any games. Probably the fact that she is also Latin and didnt grow up in the West helps.
While I believe it may be possible to meet a great long-term GF by being mostly yourself, keeping them is another story.
The funny thing about women: as soon as they lock you down they will seek to extinguish the flame that brought them in. Once they extinguish the flame they get bored and look at someone else who has that flame that you used to but that they put out.
The thing is, maybe she is a really good girl and will never act on it. But, she probably will and if she doesn’t she still will never look at you the same. It may have been her that killed that part of you that was attractive to her in the first place, but the fact remains: you no longer have what she wants.
That is exactly true. BUT…if you know this ahead of time you can implement effective counter measures to slap down every one of her attempts. Men that do NOT know this, however, are screwed, and not in the fun way.
This is true. If you know what you are walking into AND have a plan to combat it AND want it bad enough then it is possible….
I always knew it. I used to think I knew wanted it but I didn’t know how to combat it. Terrible result. Now I think I know how to combat it, but I just don’t want it — if I tried terrible results.
It isn’t impossible, but you need the right tools for the right job.
What you said applies mostly to Western women, from my experience – Latinas living in the West, for whatever reasons, are well immune to most of the vices we’re too familiar with.
ADmitedly I have never had an LTR relationship with a Latina…while I have had quite a few STRs with them lol.
The closest I got was actually last summer when a young girl from brazil stayed with me for 10 days. I do think she would have been very happy to have me be with her forever and would have pretty much acted exactly the way a man would want her too assuming I was willing to give her 100% of my life…and I mean it…she would want to know if I took a watery crap. There would be zero private space. If I would be willing to give that I could have had the unicorn, but is it still a unicorn under such circumstances? for some, maybe. Not for me.
We gotta go out in NYC, I’m still trying to navigate the scene.
There are a lot of scenes in NYC which is why it is both the most difficult and easiest to navigate.
For instance, I am a total boss in my scene. However, if I stumble into a different culture, of which there are many, I am absolutely lost.
I have a cousin who is a club guy. I took him out one day and God love him he was bored to tears. We went to all my favorite places. Then he took me out to bagatelle once. Stupid hot chicks everywhere and he was a total baller but I wanted to leave like no bodies business. I hated it there. Hating the scene I have off a bad vibe.
So yeah, ts all about knowing what you like, finding it and then sticking to it.
“The funny thing about women: as soon as they lock you down they will seek to extinguish the flame that brought them in”
NO SHIT! I can’t count how many times a “good” girl will say they are attracted to me because I am “rough around the edges”. Then, when they think they have me on lock down, (usually after the fourth or fifth fuck session), the first thing they try to do to establish the ” relationship ” is smooth out the rough edges they liked in the first place…EVERY FUCKING TIME!!!
It has gotten to where, every time I hear that phrase, I know exactly how it’s going to go down. And EVERY FUCKING TIME! They take off because while they are attracted to a man they can’t control, they can’t handle being with a man they can’t control.
They confuse my refusal to be a doormat with disrespect. They confuse my treatment of equality with mysoggynese. They get wet when I “take no shit” from people, and then they get crazy if I don’t take shit from them. Yet, we both know that they would shit all over me if I capitulate to their Widow Douglas like reforming of my inner Huck Finn.
I have only had ONE woman that got it. Only one who understood that I will take zero shit, and in turn gave me zero. (Well, as little as a woman is capable of—the crazy scale starts at 4).
But you are right on with what you said….sorry for the long diatribe. You just struck a nerve.
Totally et it bro.
I don´t know what kind of low life women you meet guys.
Heard this rap before. Could be true…
The ones that go out in public, I guess? What, do you get yours from a vending machine or something?
At Church on Sunday, the priest introduce us. “tell me what kind of man you are and i´ll tell you want kind of woman you can get”
So as to not step on my own dick here with my thoughts on the modern Church, what denomination or creed do you go to?
The concept of wearing a mask with people is in no way a foreign concept to me. I’ve been doing it consciously since I was very young since a total lack of empathy would often leave me bewildered at peoples reaction to my behaviour. Growing up Catholic I was fed the old adage, “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” But that only created more problems due to the bizarre way my brain functions. So I learnt to create specific alternative personas in order to get through various situations with the least amount of chaos and vitriol generated. Or if I wanted to be despised/feared I’d drop the masks and be ‘authentic’; fun for messing with people, but not particularly conducive to relationships of any kind. For the longest time I actually believed, for reasons I’ll never understand, that it might be possible to be close to someone while being authentic. But its all bullshit. You wear a mask with everyone. The mere act of interpersonal interaction pre-empts it. One is born alone, one dies alone and it would seem one is true to oneself only in solitude.
well said.
I often tell people that the only time I don’t feel lonely is when I am alone.
Nothing like some demotivation to start my day 🙁
All kidding aside, great article.
You are hunting a deer in the wilderness and need the food to survive, but you feel the need to cut a fart that will likely scare it away. Are you being inauthentic by holding it in? No its called education and discipline which is important in every aspect of life not just with women.
I have scared away turkeys (on purpose, they wouldn’t leave) by farting before.
Well, I think this wins the prize for most random and unique comment I’ve ever read on ROK.
Might provoke a turkey to fight.
I would let it out SBD……silent but deadly…..
That would be the alpha move in this situation.
Finally ! Someone finally sees the truth. But hey ! NOBODY WILL try and figure it out. Because why ? Because NOBODY GIVES A SHIT ! The elite have made people feeling-less, zero empathy. In the country where I live, because of the corruption, gangs of gypsies skip prosecution and get out of trial with 3 year suspended sentence – FOR ATTEMPTED MURDER – 3 gypsies stabbed a romanian citizen – talk about racism huh ?! – There are forums in Romania, entire forums where young guys talk about what they can do to avoid conflict with the gypsies because romanians are generally peaceful people, and I saw some desperate guys around those forums asking for help, legal help, because the police DID NOT DO ANY-THING and you know how the other guys reacted to those cries for help ? 8 out of ten started mocking and saying that it was about bad luck. It’s the same situation around the world. How about ,,Love thy neighbour, huh ?! ”. The game has been rigged, your own people have been brainwashed to fuck you over in one second. I exaggerate of course, there still are good people on the planet. Some of them are reading this comment.
Anyway, believe me, I have it difficult finding the right people to become friends with. The rest are simps, junkies, retards and across the border (believe me, across the border ). Tried to give them the red pill- they gave me the finger, so I gave them the no-more-meeting-with-you-buddy act.
God bless !
This is a problem fueled by male thirst and the acceptance of sluttiness. A man who is authentic won’t get easy sex, but if any woman takes interest in him, it’s far more likely that she’s in it for him as he is than if he were trying to act alpha all the time.
If you’re looking for a genuine relationship, the solution isn’t to become alpha or have lots of sex to make yourself an object of female lust. Only real, sex-detached self-improvement can make you fundamentally more attractive and attract the kind of woman that is suited to you.
This happened to me, more or less. I spent my 20s as a thirsty beta and eventually post-30 I realized that I cared more about my businesses and hobbies than nutting on the latest co-ed or whatever.
A hot wife and a successful business was my late-30s reward, and the former basically dovetailed with and was helped along by discovering the manosphere and taking the red pill. Now the reality is that even if the wife decides to be a typical western cunt (unlikely), I’m ok with it because my money is protected and I have more interests than I could possibly get to in one lifetime.
It really is true that the less you care, the more successful with women you will be.
Within four months of extricating myself from beta orbit around a woman who I knew I had no chances with (the last in a decade-long series of such crushes since my early teens), I ended up getting married. When I met my wife I just didn’t care anymore, not about my presentation nor my speech. I just talked to her as if she was already into me and sure enough the assumption became reality. I said a bunch of stuff and asked her a bunch of questions I would never have dared ask had I made the mistake of being attracted to her at first sight. She said she wanted multiple children and either work as a teacher or to be a housewife. That sealed the deal.
You can be as authentic as you want as long as your passive value is sky high. If you are Mr. B. Pitt you can vomit on a girl and she will find this experience very sexy.
Same basic rule applies to ALL girls and ALL interactions. The mask is a tool to help you get girl above your “natural” SMV-level. If you are slightly above average guy (say a doctor working in a hospital who lifts and did some wresting in his youth) you can use said mask and get a HB8 girlfriend. You may be able to sleep with a HB9 here and there too. But if you marry HB8/9 you would find yourself in trouble sooner or later because in truth your SMV is 6-7 and not enough for your trophy wife. Yes the bar for LTR is THAT high in the modern day west. At least in the heads of our females – move 1000 miles south and learn spanish and the game will be rigged much more in your favor.
Females have this notion in the West that they deserve the Alpha for just being a female. They will get there 4 bedroom home with white picket fence and spend their money on latest trend provide by high status male with 6 figure job. Their attitudes and focus on this illusion is foisted upon by the Western culture that refuse to see reality, only the narrative. Add in the loss of empathy, embrace of worst aspects of nature and high degree of individualism in both sexes mean we all have to wear a mask to succeed. Hence the problem, we can’t wear mask all the time.
For all the reading on the game, there was old post that you made Roosh about old blog by writer name Solomon. He believe this was golden rule with girls:
“There are no good women, and there are no bad women. There are just women. Women do what they want when they want and justify their actions later. That’s why it’s important to find a woman of character who is naturally inclined to do the things which are wholesome, respectful, productive, and conducive to rearing the offspring produced by your potential union.”
That only women we can drop the masks we wear for only a moment, before her female nature kicks in. We shall never have peace to be ourselves among the crowd, only among trust friends.
“they deserve the Alpha for just being a female. They will get there 4
bedroom home with white picket fence and spend their money on latest
trend provide by high status male with 6 figure job”
This is the definition of a greater beta (=male 6). HB 6s and 7s settlement targets, they will sleep with better men but often settle with these lawyer/doctor dudes in the end.
If you consider these guys “way above what you got” then I am sorry to say that you are in all likelihood no more than a male 5, even if you did lift, dress well etc. Male 5s do often pair with female 4s.
To give you a general idea what odds you are up against:
If you are born in an upper class family and had all the money you would ever need in your life at birth and you went to the right places with the right people so you are now yourself pretty well known AND rich – then you are a male 8-9 and you will be used to date female HB8s and 9s and thats what these girls dream of.
Oh, believe me, I can become quite authentic with a woman when she pisses me off.
Yes…..
This is most likely why i don’t have the desire to have a GF anymore. Not because the vast majority of them avoid the nice guy and ride the cock coursel or their eyes glued to their smartphones, but because of this. Why just why we are forced to do this in order to get a few, a few minutes of sexual pleasure???
Me personally, i can’t put the mask on, i just can’t do it. It is not in me. i rather be and express of who i am, then act on something that i’m not. I guess this quote is true after all: “I’d rather be hated for who i am than to be loved for something that i’m not”.
The question is how long is this bullshit is gonna last? Yet this is another double standard if women cries over some stupid shit, its fine. But if a man cries over something significant, he is weak. FUCK THAT BULLSHIT. People who have at least an ounce of self-respect they can’t put the mask on and act like clowns.
The mask or game is just a tool, and it can even become part of who you are really. If you use the notions and lessons long enough you forget your even doing it anymore, shit becomes automatic reaction.
The degree to which this can happen will vary from person to person, but its evolution essentially. Like learning to ride a bike or any other skill that takes practice but becomes automatic as time goes by.
While 80% authentic is a good goal, you should definitely try for 90% authentic by finding the right girl. Otherwise, you’re faking the relationship, which takes a lot of time and investment. It shouldn’t be that hard to find the right one. Many girls will self select. You already said the girl will look elsewhere. You should let them run away because it tells you that you pick wrong.
The “mask” is known as a persona.
noun
noun: persona; plural noun: personae; plural noun: personas
-the aspect of someone’s character that is presented to or perceived by others.
-a role or character adopted by an author or an actor.
This isn’t limited to just women, this has become a near requirement for all social interactions. Many feel they will not be accepted for who they are so they “blend in”
The problem with doing this constantly over time is that you begin to lose sight of who you really are as a person. You’ve given up your soul to be part of the status quo.
Is it worth it in the end?
Maybe, to some extent, who you “really are” as a person has more to do with the masks you chose to wear that some identity behind those masks.
This. I think who you are is who you choose to be, nothing more, nothing less. We have many facets and roles we fulfill, and are usually a different person when we fill each of them.
I think also we change over time and put down some roles and take up others. I think that’s part of what makes life interesting.
As long as they are aware of this choice, then I agree. There are some who lose themselves to the identities they’ve woven for themselves and forget how to return to their original state (let’s say personality being at rest, they don’t need to project to anyone else but themselves.). Else we’re going to have a new generation with pseudo MPD (multiple personality disorder).
All jokes aside, I’m pretty troubled with the current state of western civilization. It’s just painful to watch people play pretend with each other,, deceiving themselves and the other person.
You either make yourself into who you want to be or you pussy out and passively accept what you were given by your personal history and circumstances.
Dominant men create themselves. Beta faggots whine about “I just can’t be myself in today’s society”
Absolutely. There is a core that I’ve retained where you could probably have noted the same personality traits in me at 5 years old as today, but a lot of things have changed in the roles department over the years.
Amen brother. Aristotle said that we are the sum of our habits.
Right away I thought of the movie The Mask, specifically the part where Jim Carrey visits the guy with the book.
A big problem is the rampant availability of porn for women. We don’t see it because it does not affect us as men this way, but the prolific gutter television, girl music, and feminist films are pornographic for women. It establishes a fantasy that real men could never achieve. If we are going to solve this, we need to eliminate this porn, or at least convince them not to take it in, and to teach realistic expectations. I believe this is a responsibility of religion.
Ok. I’m with you full time- excluding religion from the equation.
I propose we make an analyse of the items and then identify the source problem for each.
Any takers ?
We can start with “50 Shades of Grey” and all those romance novels.
Ok. Poison number one – consuming of media – programming via music, tv, commercials, books. What else?
Johnn,
It has already been determined the source of all problems and the solution. Everybody here just seems to kick back and shoot the shit with each other now.
I for one know it. But there are youngsters around who still need help. Via slow or fast forward. I know, but safety is in numbers. Remember…
ok. what would you do that doesn’t include a threat of discussion ?
I’ve watched a lot of porn. Presently doing my best to cut back….. the one thing that amazes me is the sheer numbers of men and particularly women willing to put it all out there online. And not for particularly big bucks either. Anything from a couple of hundred bucks to the low thousands all for a litany of debauched performances. The mind boggles…..
How naive. Almost every woman out there would still have the ability and freedom to fuck an alpha for a night or two, even if porn were totally eliminated
” While the player has to put on a clown suit when he goes to the club to pick up women, the married man has to permanently wear the clown suit and hope she never strays, especially if he married an attractive Western woman.”
If there would be only one reason never to marry, that would be it. A depressing, yet well written article.
“One performance gets the girl in her prime while the other gets her afterwards, when she has gained 20 pounds and becomes host to three different HPV strains.”
Hahaha…I love the last part of that sentence!
“The second option is to have fun being the clown to get a variety of sex, but only plan for long-term relationships with women who appreciate your true—albeit constantly changing—self”
The only female that will appreciate your true self for the longer run, will be a much older one, and who has the common sense that she is past her expiration date, and realizes she has to be a genuine human being. But unfortunately today, many if not most of the aged spinsters, chewed up and barfed out from a lifestyle of cock carousel riding, free drinks, and a torrent of male validation are either too bitter to accept their demise, or still delusional that their saggy tits and liver spots are sexy; hence they never grow up.
Roosh nails It on the head with this article. Being married I have been called a knuckle dragging Neanderthal and of course a asshole from my wife and I have to act like it more than I like in order to get 1 respect 2 to keep her interested and 3 to get regular sex.
The moment I am nice or show any weakness out come her fangs and she will go for the jugular.
When my mother calls my father an asshole his reply is “yeah, but a loveable asshole”. Diffuses the situation rather well.
Doesn’t sound worth it
Jeeeezzzzuuussss she sounds like a real keeper…. like Ethan writes below when you are getting into the fire a bucket of water will quench her ire. “Put on the clown suit”. You should have learned what buttons to press before now. If that doesn’t work just tell her to “Fuck off cunt”.
What possesses you to be nice or show weakness to her anyway? From where I’m sitting it sure as shit doesn’t look like she deserves it.
A wife is not your mother or your friend specifically, she’s there to make babies and take care of what you can be arsed to do. If she is not on her best behavior why should you?
Oh, there’s lots that can be done about it, Roosh. And it all starts with Pay-4-Play. Do the 5-step approach to happiness.
1) Take women and their battered pussies off the pedestal for good.
2) Realize that your family and/or male relationships are much more central to your happiness than any women outside your family.
3) Grow and improve yourself while finding your purpose / calling in life.
4) Come to terms with your basic sexual needs. Can you go without a sexual encounter with a woman for a few weeks or months? Are there other satisfactory ways of achieving orgasm without a woman being present in the flesh? Of course there are.
5) Delve into the P4P scene and learn to be yourself with these hired women. It’s fun, liberating and satisfying once you get accustomed to it. If your local P4P scene is shitty or too small to remain anonymous, plan 2-3 one week holidays per year to destinations such as Thailand, the Philippines, Germany, Dominican Republic, Costa Rica, Cuba, Colombia and parts of Mexico (Tijuana, for example). Take a single like-minded buddy and have a blast with the chicas, beach, fishing, golfing and sightseeing! Budget what you want to spend on pussy per year down to the dollar (peso) if you want.
No man can or should truly go without pussy, but we can all do a much better job of marginalizing, managing and controlling it. Pussy is expensive no matter how you attain it, so why not take the reins and get exactly what you want, when you want?
DING, DING, DING !!
Thank you sir for summarizing what we needed !
I never would have considered my own advice until about 4-5 years ago, when a LTR was going sour and just killing me. Then I saw the light, and like a moth, flew towards it. It takes time to master playing within the realm of P4P, but what a fun hobby. And that’s how I see women now: a hobby, and not even on par with driving and maintaining my vintage car.
As someone in their mid-40s with lots of experience with women from various backgrounds, I can firmly say that some form of P4P is the answer for the vast majority of modern men — assuming you’re not young and desperate to have kids.
Most of us already acknowledge what you said. But we haven’t yet completely understood it. I’m in my late 20’s and still struggling to pin down a bankable activity. Porscha, that sounds nice. All the best !
Aboy the kid,a reasonable and fun solution and one i will consider !!
Excellent post. You should also lift weights and always be dominant.
Forget about the terrible advice given around here. Forget about asking where the pet shop is and forget about being a clown. Forget about fucking elderly openers.
Be fucking dominant. Always
I agree. When I’m out and about being social, I have 3 “goals” that I vaguely and habitually pursue: being the most intelligent, dominant and stylish among the group. Not in a show-off, look at me, poser kinda way though — more in an authentic, I’ve lived it and earned it kinda way. I also tend to be generous in my recognition of exceptional traits in others. On the other hand, I love to publicly decimate any kind of SJW hero, be it male or female. I relish destroying feminist cunts, homosexual fascists and beta-boy apologists. Not surprisingly, I’m pretty polarizing at social gatherings!
In today’s America, it takes incredibly little effort to accomplish my 3 “goals” no matter where I am. I love reminding Americans that I’m not one of them, that I’m from a different, superior culture that has yet to fall off the cliff. The problem is, there’s no female reward worth claiming in America anymore. As such, I’m finally moving away to greener pastures, where my authenticity will be better appreciated and rewarded.
Yeah, if I had fuck you money I’d probably do it, but I need that extra $500 a weekend, even though good ones are probably in the thousands.
Not so. I was recently slaying very cute chicas in Tijuana who were 19-21 years old. Three were 8s or 8.5s and 1 was a 7.5 who had a great “personality.” I talked to them for a little while in the streets, then obtained carnal knowledge in a clean room for about 30 minutes and none cost me more than $20 USD. My total cost for a 2-night stay, some clubbing (although I don’t drink booze anymore) and pounding 4 cute girls was about $220. Very decent escorts in Tijuana are about $100 for an hour and generally give you a GFE. Pretty bar girls can be had for as low as $60 for 1/2 hour shags. As a comparison, costs in Colombia are even a little cheaper, whereas Costa Rica tends to be more and not as good of selection. However, whore mongering in the U.S. is quite overpriced and not nearly as satisfying — you gotta travel man, which has innumerable other benefits also.
Yeah, but a week off from slavery in Tijuana is different than living there and P4P indefinitely, which takes a degree of fuck you money. Thanks for the tip though, I will definitely add to my list to partake. I’m not going to waste my time pipelining and dating when I can sloot it up for $30.
This got me wondering…Last Friday i went out with a friend of mine. She is everything we can define as a alpha female: hot as hell, intelligent, with the ability to influence other women.
Was i honest with her or did i played her? Well, looking back, i would say both. I believe that is normal because in life, namely with seduction, everything is a game. I am playing games, she is playing games. I asked her for instances, if she was looking for someone right now. She said no, that she had a 10 year old relationship that ended not that well, and was focusing on her career, but we all know that can end in a day.
The same with me: was i looking to seduce her? Of course not! Right now my aim is to save money and to accomplish personal goals. But…i would fuck her brains out if i could and she knows it! So, i think it works in both ways.
Prior to the nigh out, i teased her, she teased me back. I backed up, she backed up. Game, game, game!
I would say, in conclusion, that like the previous post in ROK, balance is the key. Neither should we, men, be a open book, with no secrets and therefore, completely boring, neither should we be a gigantic fraud, afraid of our one shadow.
You have no game, can’t fuck her and she is not attracted to you. Admit the truth and stop with the bullshit about personal goals and saving money; those are excuses, and fucking that woman for a night or two would interfere with neither of them
“You have no game, can’t fuck her and she is not attracted to you.”
I do not have to justify anything to you. I am the one who dated her, i am the one who is chatting with her, i am the one who was with her…if it works good, if it does not…women are like waves…after one, comes another.
“Admit the truth and stop with the bullshit about personal goals and saving money; those are excuses,”
Have you honestly read Roosh reflection??? Jesus…I said that in order to agree with him, that sometimes, we need to put a mask in what we truly want in order to see what the interaction may lead to. Read the fucking text in accordance with Roosh post!
“and fucking that woman for a night or two would interfere with neither of them”
Never said the opposite.
once again the Roosh man is nailing it – laying out for all to see (ladies are you reading this?)
Ex-Married OldGuy … resonates here – guys don’t go there
I completely concur. Ex-married OldGuy also… do NOT. Get. Married.
I 1000% agree with the article. However living in a mask is not healthy as it will lead to mental health issues such as depression and anxiety. We have mentioned walking the fine line and when it comes to this u need to do both for a healthy happy life.
For bedding women mask is fine but long term or serious relationships it needs to come off but u still need to show alpha traits.
And this is why it’s important to have male friends and supports to get through tough times and to be yourself.
Once again, to be fair, your average “beta” man prior to the sexual revolution was several times more “alpha” than the average guy today.
Fuck that was poignant to the point of being depressing !!!! Im currently romancing a beautiful woman who is also an over achiever and for that reason is probably of a higher SMV than me even though i don’t like to think like a robot.
But i am naturally charming and it is enough to get her interest and maintain but to convert it to sex I am most likely going to have to tailor my personality to hers.I loathe doing that for anyone let alone a girl. I have taken tips off this site for first date and all that but some of the points listed by Roosh have come up and just reading them aloud has made me ponder.
And I think im going to say fuck her. Give her both barrels and if she doesn’t like it fuck her !!!!! I would prefer to be shot down than tied down.
Fuck the hell out of her as many times as you can, but don’t go into a relationship. “Over achiever” women are a HUGE pain in the ass to deal with. They’ll want to compete with you, full time in a relationship, or their work will become their “husband”. Fuck that shit.
hahahhaha obviously i would love to fuck her as much as possible but im not comfortable with the changes id have to make to do it. Should i just suck it up ???
Yeah i an allready tell she would be a pain in the hole to deal with. And she hasn’t had a boyfriend in four years so work and collecting achievements is allready her husband !!
The dark side of me wants to use and abuse her !!!! hahahah
Make it something between being fuck buddies and having an easy going casual relationship, were you see her a couple times a week and get on with your life the rest of time. When the gain of boning her does not outweigh anymore the pain of putting up with her, you walk. Haha.
4 years? Then she’s aching for it. Most of your work is already done.
A wise man once said, either have no sex with a woman, or have a LOT. The amount of shit you’ll get from a woman with whom you have had sex is independent of the amount of sex, other than if you have had it or not. In other words, 1 time or 100 times, same amount of shit.
Plus, all sex based flings end within a few months. They have a shelf life. Get all that you can, then walk when she starts bitching.
Perfectly said.
Don’t even think about her being an overachiever. Just treat her like any other girl. Pretend she works at McDonald’s. It shouldn’t matter to you that she had a high prestigious job. …so what? Don’t be insecure about a woman that makes more money than you do. If she doesn’t like it, she can leave.
But like GhostofJefferson said, just fuck her as many times as you can. Don’t treat her any differently than you would other women just because she makes good money. Her pussy is the same as the girl’s pussy that works in the mall.
Just act like you don’t give a shit about her achievements and they’re no big deal to you.
No i get that and that is really good advise and usually that is what would be wrong with a man in this situation.
But a fault/quality of mine is i treat everyone the same especially beautiful women its a no brainer. If anything what lets me down is not treating them any bit special.
My problem is how she views HERSELF. She knows she is in demand and I will have to tweak some things like the stuff pointed out in the article to seal the deal and it is because i DON”T give a shit nor am i impressed by her achievements that i don’t want to bend. Who the fuck is she ??? I appreciate the advise though !
Except the girl who works at the mall might be better at using hers.
You are pretty much very well describing relationships since the moment when they became a means to seek sex as a pleasure movement instead of a natural biological need to reproduce. When precisely that happened I don’t know, maybe one day we will find out. For now we can hypothesize that probably it came about somewhere along the lines of human evolution. Now, someone could say that at some point someone somewhere found out that it was possible to very easily control individuals and masses of individuals by playing around with the sex functions. Some could say that the possibility of having someone play around with the sexual functions has been introduced into humans by design… Whatever happened we pretty much find ourselves stuck with it, unless we choose and decide that we can get rid of all the cultural attachments and meanings that have been added to sex. And that realization has to become physical. It is of no use to “practice celibacy” and stuff like that, because it will create more tension and ultimately perversions. When the psycho-physiological cleansing process is complete, the sex function will simply fall back into its natural intended rhythm and by consequence there will be no search for it unless there is a felt biological need to reproduce. Sex has become way too overrated, something that has to literally be “handled” a few days or years after birth (yes I am talking of ritual infant genital mutilation – now you might see more implications of that sacrificial practice), a thing of the mind, an obsession that has absolutely no biological correspondence and it is actually harmful to the body whenever it is interfered with, as the sex organs and their produce are needed by the brain to function properly. Some day science will find out about it as well (if they’ll let the information come out, that’s another topic).
To summarize: it is impossible to be authentic only if we give in to having been made slaves to sex as a pleasure movement, and that pleasure movement has nothing to do with the natural state. Have you ever thought that sex is actually painful for the body but you have been made to believe mentally that it is pleasurable? (I am not talking of dyspareunia). Maybe it’s time for Kings to find out. Don’t get me wrong: I have nothing against anybody using sex in the illusion that it brings actual pleasure. Just question it. Question why it’s “never enough” save for a short while after the ejaculation, for example… Ask yourself as well why the state of the human organism after sexual intercourse has been completed with ejaculation has been compared to a “little death”…
Jesus, this forum attracts too many crazy kooks these days
He he. That’s good!
Roosh nails it once again.
Betaboys deny the problem because they play in another league, the “I’ll suck up to her until she fucks me, too” league.
Yep there are 2 categories of betas the ones that are friends with girls because they think they’ll sleep with them(they won’t) and the ones that bang the fat pigs or the ones with blue and pink hair
Wanna fix all this bullshit? End the Welfare State.
Welfare state? This has pretty much nothing to do with the welfare state.
Sure it has to do with it. Take it away and watch the divorce rate drop like a rock and women starting to behave in a way that men want to have them around.
Ok, I see what you mean. But welfare isn’t the main root of divorce, it’s people having too many sexual partners.
His point is that without a social safety net underpinning women’s bad choices, they wouldn’t be able to recklessly sleep with 200 men.
I get his point, I just disagree with it. It’s still pretty shit to have a child or STD, or divorce. Most people don’t just do them because “yolo”, they do them because they married for a bad reason or they have unrealistic expectations for a marriage.
All people say when you’re young is be yourself and people will like u,truth is if you’re yourself in the business world you’ll probably be fired or never go anywhere its fucking bs. You have to wear a damn mask all the time these days and it’s pathetic. Everytime i hear someone say if u dont have anything nice to say then dont say it (yes ive heard adults actually say this in the workplace) i just want to punch them in the face, so because u cant handle the truth or anothers opinion then yours u want me to not be able to speak, doesn’t sound alright to me.
You are what you do and you become what you pursue.
I hate the fact the points made in this article are completely true in my experience. Like the guy in the matrix who wanted to eat a cheeseburger even though he knew it wasn’t real, I sometimes miss the comforting illusion of the ‘right girl’ one day walking into my life. Is that beta?
When she’s on her knees blowing you and you shoot your muck over her face/tits will you be thinking of that cheeseburger????? Damn that porn!!!
Doesn’t matter if it’s beta, it’s fucking with your grounding in reality and it’s a waste of time.
If you’re under 30, go pound pussy and get to where you are immune to female manipulation tactics, then go find a virgin from an unbroken home who has siblings and passes your boner test, wife her up and start your own lineage of doom ;-).
It’s not so complicated hehehe.
I’m well past 30 and almost wifed one up many moons ago. Years later we were talking on FB and from my post red pill perspective she was clearly a horrible fuckin’ bitch. 3 marriages to the kind of guy I used to be, and well up for some boom boom with me again on the side. It made me realize how beta I was when younger, and what I had been brainwashed to put up with.
Anyway I called her out on it and she just retorted that its only sex and what he doesn’t know doesn’t hurt him. I might have thought fuck it and relished the opportunity, but on top of her repellent personality she had developed bingo wings and 4 chins. And I was in a serious relationship with a far hotter and more tolerable, or rather not quite as bitchy and self-entitled girl, which of course she was completely jealous of.
Most guys I know in any kind of relationship these days seem to be in a kind of clinical depression and constantly try to remind you how great it is to be in love, and that you need to find the happiness they have found. They have a constant focus on pleasing her over their own needs and a kind of snails and puppy dogs tails view of themselves in comparison. To them women are divine princesses that must be kept happy at all costs. Sugar and spice and all things nice and all that.
Too many guys wear pink glasses and think they can save washed up used up worthless skanks.
The simple past way to actually having a decent LTR is as I said above. Girls from broken homes are not ever going to be the ticket to this, neither are ones who have been around the block.
The guys who talked themselves into these hellish situations are just trying to rationalize their misery as something good, nothing to do with reality though.
Bingo Wings. You’re killin’ me, Smalls. 😆
I know, but there’s no telling them.
It was just yesterday that I realized finally that women are not wired to love anything other than their own offspring.
They do not love men, or each other. Sure there are those who have pets but even they are miserable. The ones who married their careers fare worst because they got totally tooled on their maternal instinct getting re-purposed for corporate gains.
It’s not a good realization to reach. All the world is dead already.
Too simplistic and partially also incorrect. Women love more impulsively than men and therefore the maternal love is often strong. They can certainly love men, but it takes the right kind of woman and a good match and the man has to to have certain set abilities. Look at Nancy Reagan.
If you are very choosy in what kind of girl you go for, you can have a shot.
But I’m dead serious about the choosy. The girl had to either be a virgin or maybe one prior, she has to come from an intact traditional family and be religious, and you have to wife her up and keep her, and agree beforehand who calls the shots on what. Ideally you should, on everything, including her friend choice and so on.
And if you are smart and fair, and you give her kids, chances are good that you are set up for life barring you having some disqualifying trait.
Edit to add: you also have to be strong with the Force.
Forget it. She will “love” you as long as she has the feeling she can EXTRACT something out of you. If not, you’ll become just like another one of the “invisibles.” That might be just the way it HAS to be…
Obviously you have to give her stuff continuously and make sure she has more to lose by leaving you than she can gain.
But it’s still possible and multiple examples of this are available.
In other words, you have to accept to be her slave continuously and live in fear that there might be someone giving her more in order to get some useless once-in-awhile crumbs of pseudo-validation which you’ll call “love” because “it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside?” 🙂
Nah I consider her my property with a certain amount of upkeep required. By this I mean food, shelter, security, and the potential or actual of kids.
But the point is if it is an agreed transaction of abilities there is no reason for animosity or for her to look elsewhere.
If you have an agreement on what you each require of eachother you also then have a defined space in which you can use all the tools of game to make her want you, not only for making kids.
Right. Good luck… Just remember that love and hate are simply the two sides of the same coin… Sometimes I wish no one would ever find out. Life permanently chooses otherwise though, and there is nothing we can do about it, until we learn to step beyond both love AND hate, 2 more four-letter words…
Haha. Love… I feel sad too knowing that love is just another four letter word. It was better when we stll were believing in its magic powers, at least so it seems at times. On the other hand, why not just face it as it is and keep going on like a King does: with regal gait! Cheer up! You are becoming more and more awake!
This “inauthenticity” is a relatively recent phenomenon beginning in the Mid-90’s.
When the history books are written, they won’t write about the technology per se, but instead how it disconnected humanity.
With smartphones reaching the furthest hands in Timbuktu, like a virus, the transformation on a worldwide scale is near complete.
We are literally re-writing our brains by having these little devices at our fingertips 24/7. Orwell’s “1984” telescreens = iPhones
I’m grateful (and burdened) to be the last generation of authentic beings on this planet.
Women expect men to be strong for the long term. I have always paid the bills and she has gone in and out of the workforce as she felt like. Work is what I do and a choice for her. When she got burnt out, she quit, and went back when there was a job she was excited about. Now she is freelancing as that gives her max freedom to work on her terms, pick contracts she likes and still bring home a decent paycheck (about 1/2 what she would get full time). But she is starting to say she wants to get afull time job, make big bucks, so we can renovate our house and I can build my bug-out survival shelter in the boonies. She likes the concept and that is a pretty good step for a girl who grew up around fashion in Japan during the bubble years of the early 90’s. She never complains too much when I buy my guns either as long as I limit myself to one or two a year.
At least I almost always have a nice meal waiting for me when I come home.
But I guess I can be myself. If I spend 3 hours just wasting time reading or messaging ROK, she never complains. I do what I want to do and she does what she wants.
(But I admit I would prefer she not know I am reading ROK, but I assume she checks the computer and she spies as women are wont to do.).
But I still think I got a better deal than most dudes. Next year will be our silver wedding anniversary. A Japanese girl.
But when I read ROK, I am surprised at how things have gone downhill in 25 years. The early 90’s does not seem that long ago. Women are too complicated today.
My Japanese wife knows what I talk about on ROK and cares not one bit.
I told her in no uncertain terms what I think, and what my expectations are, and what She can expect from me.
My experience is otherwise pretty much the same, except we have been married less long.
Being with her is easier than with anyone else ever in the past, like they like to say in Japan it’s like air. No drama and I don’t believe she ever told me to not do something I wanted.
But yes we got a better deal, by a massive difference in some aspects I would say.
Do you have kids?
sounds like a guy who don’t like to play the way the game has to be played.
Authenticity is true power.
Especially when some “useless skin,” has been snipped away from it, right? 🙂
That’s your favourite topic isn’t it?
I just don’t like the angle of being fake to get what you want – it seems fundamentally weak and pathetic.
Christ on a bike this sounds like death throes. This act shit is for the birds and is contributory to the current welfare state and PC culture we are in. She doesn’t want to tow the line for you? You picked the wrong one to begin with.
Game, my ass. You’re just paying the price now. I’ll bet if the organ grinder starts the music again, you’ll dance for pennies.
I want to agree with you, but I don’t know.
My dad today offered me his NRA hat, which he just received in the mail. I chuckled and joked about using it to troll liberals at political rallies. Then, I contradicted myself (as is my wont), and I described how I used to enjoy doing those things, but now I’d be too afraid. With the force of law and culture backing these people, they can openly assault me and I can’t defend myself lest I be accused as the violent attacker myself. Knowledge of this power emboldens them and weakens myself, and they would almost certainly lash out if provoked. So, I do nothing. And while in their midst, I act inauthentically for the sake of self-preservation. I didn’t pick this, yet ultimately my decision enables the things I decry.
In a similar way, I think, this inability to be authentic and its necessity falls into a “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” sort of paradigm. All we can really do is learn to love our authentic selves, the world be damned.
I agree; appreciate yourself. This is no different than having a healthy respect for bears when you are in the woods of Alaska. I think there is a distinct difference in being true to yourself and being a dick, you know? Besides, remaining calm when someone else is having a breakdown is the adult thing to do. Seems to send SJWs over the edge to boot.
“Are you a member of the NRA? Some sort of gun toting, baby killing psycho?”
“None of your business.”
See? The NRA hat thing seems to be a “rub their noses in it” sort of thing. I don’t actually see it as being inauthentic as there are a LOT of things about my personal life I feel absolutely no need to wear on my sleeve. I find it much more effective to let others wonder.
“I think there is a distinct difference in being true to yourself and being a dick, you know?”
Couldn’t agree more. I remember when I learned this lesson, and it was exactly when I was experimenting with an absurd type of honesty, like tell-everyone-exactly-what-you’re-thinking-at that-moment sort of honesty.
After that experiment, I tried only telling people when they asked. Oh boy, that lesson took me years to learn. Now I judge for myself when people should hear an honest answer or authentic expression.
“Are you a member of the NRA? Some sort of gun toting, baby killing psycho?”
“Nah, they’re too left wing and pansy for me. I prefer Gun Owners of America”
Or something equally as grating to their ears. Agree and amplify.
That too.
Hipsters rarely if ever assault Gun Guys. They’re more prone to try to hurt people that are disarmed. Just an FYI.
I would do the same thing on Facebook when I still had an account. I would hesitate to post something gun related over fear of getting reported or “defriended.”
When you’re single, gaming is optional. If you’re married, gaming is mandatory.
”Man is the head”. Man mustn’t forget that. YOUR head is hers and hers and hers. Don’t get out of your own head lest you forget how to get back in. Your mother always told you ”Don’t make silly faces or your face will get stuck like that”. Also talking funny just as a joke. Some people for fun make accents and funny voices and then will also find that they’re stuck talking like that. Incorrect speech and expressions become habit. Going out of your own true head for too long leaves you headless.
I knew a cute girl in HS who had this silly way of baby talking with her other silly girlfriends every so often. She had to read a report in class. When her turn to orrate came, her first words were baby babble. Her girlfriends were whispering for her to stop and cut it out. She blushed and couldn’t seem to read normally. She read out loud before class her entire three page report in ‘baby talk’ accent. She was silent the rest of the day. She was cuter than hell, and 9th grade, I probably had a wet dream or two over her. I believe I was thinking of her years later when in a club I dreamed up this ‘wet dream’ pua story routine to try.
Seriously I’ve seen it happen, people either lie to themselves or try to put on an act and the facade becomes them. Or maybe they’re too lazy or get ‘lazy eye’ and forget where to look for their true self and the true lens through which they see the world. Both can become obscured or lost even. ”’Use it or lose it”’. You must stay in tune with yourself and stay within your own mind.
One brah, he was very beta, was attending a get together with me and friends and we were anticipating the arrival of two hot chicks. I told him he had a shot at one of the girls. He was pretty nervous beforehand but I didn’t know it. He was extreme lunatic geek smart but poosey stupid. I thought he was ready to shed his tesla aspie and get laid that night. I intro’d the two and told her of his academic awards. Normally he was iron fistedly in control of his faculties when around a female lab partner, but this time the poosey was dangling.
A munite into chatting with her on one single breath, he stopped inhaling naturally and turned red but continued in a shaky voice trying to talk of his studies and work. I whispered for him to breathe and then he did but he began making wincing funny faces. He was both breathing and talking but suddenly dork faced. No he didn’t get laid that night but he continued making the faces when we carpooled back to our places. I believe he hooked up with the other girl later by accident.
The face was like a permanent plastered toothy grin. It was like the grin you see on a kid that just stole a candy bar as he braves under the radar of the cashier or like the smack stupid grin on the group of wetbacks enjoying their first bottle of tequila in a parking lot stateside. Grinning obtusely, he did seem though to cut through the ice breaking chat and he even had the waitress soliciting opinions on non scientific subjects, on this and that back and forth between the girls, the waitress and himself. An ongoing chat foursome where they all kept adding to some silly initial joke. An aspie mind had been stirred. The grin remained.
Maybe it’s possible that a funny face is necessary with some folks to facilitate breathing properly while gaming. It’s been quite a few years but I should check up on the old brah.
immigration study…over 90% of american men that brought in asian women have a marriage success rate over 10 years. compare that to marrying a western woman. now you know why they make it incredibly hard to bring in a woman. women don’t like competition yet we’ll out source jobs through things like NAFTA that make men unemployed but their women controlled by the government because men no longer have stable jobs.
Good article.
“We all have to put on masks when interacting with women”.
I would say “when interacting. Point”. Let’s not forget betas and SJWs, who can make your life hell on Earth. From “white knights” plotting and acting against you because “you’re being a jerk” to constant “you go girl”-mongers. They can be worse than women themselves…
I have a different take on this than many of you but I just hit the big four-oh, so I expect I’m older than many of you.
First the good news. I think this bitterness towards women can be just a stage that man passes though as he progresses though on his journey to better himself. Here let me explain.
Someone once said that the cause of all frustration is difference between your expectations and reality. Reality right now is that the quality of women has been bottoming out and society, in general, is circling the drain. You can be like the apocryphal King Canute and order the tides not to come in and wet his feet and robes or you can accept that you are going to wet.
I cannot control the weather, women, dogs (more on that later), or really much of anything else in the world. I can only control myself and the more that I learn the more I believe even this is an illusion. Despite all of this I can control my actions and my reactions. This is enough. I don’t need to or want to control anything else.
The first thing I can do is manage my expectations. I expect women to have the emotional development of a teenager. When they act like what I would expect a teenager to act like, I am neither surprised or frustrated. If I’m upset over something I will seek out comfort from my friends, my family or my dogs. I will almost never go to my woman for that – that’s not her role. The flip side of this is that she used to come to me to complain about petty female stuff such as one of her friends or coworkers said this and “blah blah blah”, I would tell her sharply or gently (if I’m feeling generous) that I’m not one of her girlfriends, I’m a man. I’ll also say men don’t care about these things and this man especially doesn’t. But if you need something heavy lifted or something fixed then I’m you guy. They might pretend to be mad but they never are. They love a man who has boundaries and makes them respect the boundaries. You can also suggest that (insert name of beta boy orbiter) would love to patiently listen to her complaints. Drives them crazy in more ways than one 😉
This leads be to my second point – lead. I mean really lead. When you are leading you can be who you want to be and not worry what the women think. If you lead they will follow. There does not have to be this dichotomy where you have to choose between being yourself or trying to be attractive to women. When you can lead and be comfortable leading you will have free reign to be yourself and not worry about gaming the girl. If I want to tell a girl that I like the way her jeans fit or the way she did her hair I will tell her regardless of if I think it will hurt my chances with her. I used to think that it would hurt my chances and had much of the same thoughts that Roosh talks about in the article. Instead I found that when I am comfortable in my skin and confident I can pretty much say anything. If I compliment a girl and I see its going to her head, I can remind her not to let her head get to big or I’ll have to burst her bubble. Delivered with a shit eating grin of course.
I’ve talked about leading but haven’t let you so what I mean so let give you a couple of analogies. My style of leadership is not to walk into a room or situation and take it over. If there is another leader present and he’s competent I’m fine with it. Leadership doesn’t mean you have to be a CEO or some other official title. Leadership is all in the little things. If there is a leadership vacuum or lack of direction, I’ll step in and fill it. When walking with a woman I’ll guide her with my hand on her hip. If something sucks, I’ll have an alternative and so on.
A good example is dogs. I’m a huge animal lover and I especially love dogs. As much as I have learned from sites like this, I feel I have learned my most profound lessons with game and with life with dogs. By comparing women and dogs I don’t mean to insult women or to insult dogs 😉 I love them both. I hike in parks around where I live just about every day. Many times I’ll have 5 dogs with me and sometimes even 7 and rarely 10. I hike with these dogs off leash and people are usually amazed. These dogs include all types of rescues including 2 of my pitbulls. People can’t believe when I guide them past snarling dogs on leashes or when I make them step off the trail and sit in a circle so other people can pass. The thing is that most of them haven’t had any special training other than hanging out with me. When people ask me my secret I tell them that I’m the coolest thing in their world. And I am. I take them everywhere that I can. When I grill or cook, which I do a lot, I always make sure that there is extra for them. During summer, at a beach by my house, when it is high tide part of the beach becomes an island. I’ll swim or wade to the island and they follow me and we have fun chasing seagulls and fetching sticks thrown in the water. The point of this is that I never really command them. I just guide and lead them and it is almost all non-verbal. When we are leaving an area I’ll say “let’s go” and then I start walking away. I don’t wait for them or look for compliance or even look back. I just leave and they follow. If there is something like a barking dog or some other distraction I don’t want them to go to I’ll just give a quick whistle, point to where I’m going and go. They always follow. If I sense there might be trouble, I’ll just call the particular dogs name out and give them a look and that’s it. Problem averted. They know that I’m fun, take care of them and look out for them and they want to be with me no matter how many distractions they may encounter during our hikes. If a dog acts up it gets left home the next day. After that they are forgiven and it’s back to normal. There is no use or point in staying mad at a dog. They won’t understand it. Much like women. I’ve since started working with dogs at the local shelter and quickly became the guy who gets work with the most difficult dogs that nobody else can control. That is my trick. I don’t try to control them, I simply lay out some ground rules which they figure out pretty quickly and then simply lead them.
Women are no different. If you try to control them, they will chafe and give you resistance. If you let them make their own choices and simply lead them – “I’m going here”, “I’m doing this” they will either follow or not. Either way it is no sweat off your back. If they do follow, and many will, you can enjoy yourself, as well as enjoy her company without worrying about the minutia of game and what you should say. By leading her, much like I lead the dogs, you spoke to her on such a deep level that she can shit test you all that she wants but you are in the driver’s seat and she can’t take that away. If a woman gets petulant just shrug your shoulders or do what I do and just shrug one shoulder because you can’t be bothered shrugging both and feel free to point that out to her.
Once you see this you will notice these patterns in all other areas of your life. You will notice it in business. I’ve even noticed it in sailing. I’ve been out sailing on days when the forecast was for gentle winds 10-12 knots and I had those gentle winds turn into gale force winds. Sure I can get frustrated at the forecasters but why bother? My expectations are the weather forecasters are fucking idiots and they have met my expectations perfectly. I could also give up, bring in my sails and motor back to port but what fun is in that. Instead I can reef (lessen) my sails and have an exhilarating sail. It’s the same situation. I can’t control the weather and I can’t even fully control the 30,000 lbs. of boat as it heaves in the waves and develops a mind of its own. I don’t have to control them. With some skill and a soft touch, I can guide or “lead” my ship though the storm to the rainbow on the other side.
I have hundreds of other examples like this. If you guys continue to follow the advice of sites like this and continue to improve as men, then you will come out the other side stronger than you ever thought you could be. The world can go to complete shit all around you but you will have yourself and that will be enough. Women and men will want to be around you. I couldn’t pick up a girl at a club to save my life but that’s OK – it’s not my style. I know who I am and there always seems to be women around me.
I feel that it’s important that you guys don’t let all the negativity and crazy women make you bitter. If you read some of the old works by the great men throughout history you will find that women have been crazy since time immemorial. They are never going to get better. It’s always been like this.
One last point to think about. These women riding the carousel and leading the YOLO lifestyle. they are never going to be happy and are doomed to be miserable. they have this brief little window of beauty before it all ends for them and have to rely on antidepressants, oprah book clubs and meaningless facebook post to have any meaning to their shallow little lives. You are men. As men you can strive for greater meaning and purpose. Would you switch places with them if you could?
Jesus Christ, that’s a pro comment right there. Well spoken.
You’re just hitting 40, I’m on the other side of 45. Great advice brother.
As another man of your generation, all I can say to this is “perfect post’. The road to frustration is expecting the world to be different than it really is. The sooner we make peace with how things are, and focus on what we CAN control (our own mind and life), the better. Thanks for sharing, brother.
A key part of keeping frame, I might add. Well done, Pit.
You sir, have outlined something worth reflecting on. Thanks.
Thumbs up!
Great post, man
Hear Hear!
I will be 36 in a few days. Excellent post. So much I would like to say in reply, but I’ll just share a story:
A very attractive VP who is around my age, one of these future bitter childless career women, who works outside of Siberia (the nickname I’ve given my converted server-closet-office) noticed me speaking to a vendor in a harsh tone on a conference call and being generally busy. She came up and said, “I noticed your body language and you are a no-BS kind of guy: you are busy and don’t let people approach you unless it’s important. You get things done around here. I respect that.”
I was very busy and, frankly, don’t care if she respects me, so I looked straight into her eyes and said a quick, “Thanks. What can I do for you?” She immediately blushed, looked down and back at me with a smile, “Oh, nothing… I just wanted to say that…” and sheepishly walked off.
Point is, they’re children, plain and simple. Doesn’t matter if they are VPs, or an intern. Treat them as such, no exceptions. They’ll usually always follow a man’s lead. True in work and in life.
It’s called being an adult. We all suppress our first instincts and reactions for social reasons. It’s also known as being properly brought up and not being a narcissist.
Excuse me Roosh but I have a Troll problem as you are the moderator for this place Disqus requires I notify you. Troll named Hastur and I have posted to you before. in ‘Why isn’t anyone in the establishment talking about Jewish and Asian privilage’ who has been posting threats and obscene comments and signs on my thread, he has done this before and I have got him banned from a couple of other sights. I have told you before but since then been responding with this little monkey aggressively but it is time for you to deal with him. You may find my responses to this ignorant lout amusing but Time for You to remove him. I am sure he will do this shit to me again on some other sight and I will get him banned form there as well
Just remember all of this does not apply to you if you’re an extremely good looking worldwide famous billionaire. In that case girls will “love” you no matter what.
This is art. Mindblowing how true every word is. One of the best articles ever on this site.
The best move for men to acquire females is a complete commitment to narcissism, going for cheap fame, getting on a reality show, instagram, becoming rich with some gimmick. Steroids, plastic surgery, expensive clothes, tanning. Personality flaws such as aloof game.
Well gentlemen I stumbled in here finally. I must say the irony of authenticity is great here. The article was good. As usual around here.
Still my favorite part is the comment section. Very authentic.
I like this place. People can just talk about whatever they please like some kind of person.
I wouldn’t funeral selfie for just anyone. It would have to be open casket with a subtle see you in hell.
There is a difference between being emotionally driven and expressing your emotions. Authenticity does not mean acting on impulse. I have seen men who aggressively flirt get into many. Authenticity is not dead. You can’t have two contradictory ways to start and maintain a relationship.
Maybe if you expand your options beyond the 18-22 year olds at the club, you might find more happiness.
Too bad the overwhelming majority of women stay mentally and emotionally at the age of 18-22 until they’re 40 or so.
Bit of a generalization there…
No different to yours.
Not really. Some of the current neuroscience lit is showing that people may not reach full cognitive maturity until about age 25. I think that environmental factors are going to influence ones maturity beyond and whether you progress, remain stagnate, or God forbid, regress. So, in that sense, yes, if you are picking up 35 year old women who are still going to the club every weekend it’s probably pretty likely that their maturity has not developed much beyond their 20 year old self. But the overall percentage of women going to the club at 35 or 40 is going to be much lower than at 20. So the takeaway is that if you’re looking for maturity (a) don’t go for 20 year olds and (b) be selective if your environment.
Cognitive maturity =/= emotional maturity. I realise you’re a woman and therefore have some difficulty screening out your thoughts from your feelings, but do try and keep up, dear.
lol None of this is based on feeling, just reasoning and logic. As a man, I realize it’s difficult for you to differentiate them.
Cognitive ability is grounded in psychosocial development. You can reach cognitive maturity before emotional maturity, but it’s not likely to happen the other way around. Read some literature, try to keep up, dear.
Being a woman you’re rather incapable of reasoning and logic, so I don’t see why you presume to lecture anyone about them. Perhaps it’s you who needs to read something more than Cosmopolitan.
What? Cosmo has very timely and relevant articles for the modern woman. Perhaps you should swap your subscription to Guns and Ammo for a Scholastic Grade 2 Reading Club.
100% truths roosh nailed it again nice article.
reminds me of a quote I once read, “there is nothing in nature more natural then anything else in nature”. Being authentic and congruent psychology theory is for women who believe their own lies and feel fake. We are men, if we have to lie, steal cheat or play the clown for the greater good, then do it but suck it up, it is called being a man.
I grant that a certain degree of “fuck you” to all of society is necessary to jolt people out of dissatisfied complacency, but puts (us) the readers into a very weak position in relation to society. There is nothing manly about the position of your argument.
Everything is a matter of degree. A 15 year-old strumming on a guitar for the first time or a master with 15 years of experience playing a song ad-hoc are both authentic, “in the moment” experiences. Society however will reward one more generously than the other, for obvious reasons.
Yes, strive to be authentic, but don’t fall into the trap that by default authentic = good and that you are owed some sort of reward to managing not to lie once in a while.
Well, women have evolved with the passage of time. With the feminist women in full force, women are more in control of their lives and feel less need to meet a man to survive. As a result, women act more masculine now and that have messed things up. Nonetheless, women still want the guy to take control, thus not all hope is lost.
There was an article I read here once titled “Feed A Western Woman The Red Pill.” or something like that. As men, it is our duty to change our women. If we cannot change the ones that are already bad, we can start with the children. My girl friend is 25. I had to classically condiction her to my liking. If I didnt, I would have related with this Roosh article. If men’s authenticity is dead. It is our fault. As men, it is our duty to be in control. We built the phucking internet. I understood that I was the man, And if there was something i found special in a girl, then I have to feed her the red pill. I have to classically condiction her like an Ivan Pavlov dog… For this is the only way she would submit.
I was myself a very authentic man for most of my life, and frequently got punished or shunned for it. Being a fraud and politically correct seems to be more rewarding.
While Roosh, as usual, has a valid point, his conclusions are a little over the top, in my opinion.
It goes without saying that being completely authentic is next to impossible with any other person, be it a man or a woman. It is also true that certain attitudes and behaviours are more successful than others when it comes to dealing with women, and that it may be wise for someone who does not have these naturally to try to acquire or emulate them. Still, I believe that it is perfectly possible to live in a long-term relationship with a woman without denying yourself.
“Gaming” a woman in a long-term relationship is not about being a clown or doing silly tricks to impress on her. It essentially means to maintain a frame that establishes the roles and rules of the relationship. You lead, she follows. She is expected to _always_ be open to you about her opinions and feelings, you must take her point of view in consideration every time you make a decision. She is responsible to you only, you are ultimately responsible for everything in the family. She gives up her self-determination and hands over power to you, you should use it in such a way that she never wants it back. This should not be about being inauthentic, it is about embracing the masculine instinct of leading and protecting your woman, which I believe is innate in men.
As @disqus_EdhuycVHEF:disqus writes, you need to “feed the red pill” to your woman. She may not like the taste of it at first, but if your frame is strong enough, it is likely that she will eventually follow your leadership (as well as her own feminine instincts). And if she doesn’t… well, there are still many women out there who will.
More on this great article: There is a terrific thread on Reddit also below that nails it complementary here: repeat after me, Unlike guys
WOMEN ARE LOYAL TO THEIR NEEDS
corrollary: their needs constantly change
conclusion: unless you want to learn to be reactive and change for THEIR needs, forget an LTR
This also is why guys “turn beta” over time in any LTR
Once again –
with condolences to regular guys seeking to pass on their genetic heritage –
In looking at many (?most) women
as Roosh earlier wrote… as oil wells that eventually will dry up relationshipwise… seems to be the way to ‘Frame’ … galvanize
Certainly female behavior and game push us to respond inauthentically to keep our pussy options open. But society plays a big part too. Women and Society gang up on us with the image that women are so needed and precious that we men need to do evertying in our power to play along and give them what they want. Or, oh my gosh. . .”We could lose that girl forever!” And without women, as the “Keepers of Love and Relationships” we’d be alone forever. Which is all bullshit and nonsense. But that’s how we men are trained and regaining our masculinity helps us see the whole game and work it on our own terms.
About putting up a front, yeah, it’s bullshit that we have to do that to game some girls. But when an Alpha you don’t have to do it, because you sense of self-value comes across and a lot of women respond to it.
About “Bad Boys” that so many women fall over for. I think they like those guys because women, as natural manipulators, see behind the facade and unconsciously know that bad boys are really pretty weak minded and can be used by them to get what they want. And they also can’t live without drama, and bad boys provide that because they’re infants in men’s bodies.
Loved the picture of the Sorority girls and do you notice….no blue hair or gunts to be found.
A close friend of mine recently died: he traveled to 78 countries and settled in Cambodia where he frequently slept with teenage hotties (the legal age there is 16) and woke up multiple 19yo girls who fully serviced him including breakfast in bed. He also had a family back in America with one of the most annoying wives you could possibly imagine. I asked before he died: “If you could do it all over again, what would you do differently to which he replied “Well, I wouldn’t trade my kids for anything but if I did it again, they’d all be half Asian and I would have outsourced most of my sex.” If you’re going to put in the effort of becoming a clown and entertainer, and as Roosh accurately says, it won’t last longer than 9 1/2 weeks (9 1/2 days if a stripper) it really is far easier, less hassle, and better sex to pay outright. Porn stars, escorts, sugar babies. There’s something that goes on in a woman’s brain where paying her flips her switch and appeals to her narcissistic vanity (worship my pussy) in a way no clown makeup ever will. Simply put, they fuck you better and are more submissive, following orders willingly and gladly. Why else would Charlie Sheen, actors and sports players hire them when those celebrities can have sex with anyone they want? 90% of my “porn on the first date” videos were filmed with sugar babies! Get on backpage or a sugar daddy site and give it a try. It’s cheaper, less effort and once the fucking starts, you’ll never go back to the “mystery method.” 😉
I’m happily married to my wife of 11 years and don’t preoccupy myself with whether she’ll leave me. We’re both practicing Catholics, so Christ is the center of our marriage and divorce isn’t on the table. Our relationship has survived a lot of suffering, including the death of our newborn daughter, debilitating illness on my part, many surgeries, frequent hospitalization, and even worse. I think that if we have gone through what we have gone through together, we can survive anything together. It has nothing to do with being alpha, or being beta, or whatever Greek letter shaped boxes you want to put yourself in–it has to do with your willingness to suffer and with and for your spouse. The first step to being authentic is being the man that Christ calls you to be. That is the only “game” I need in my life.
Too old to be a clown to anybody here.