392 thoughts on “How Men Have Made The Internet A Great Equalizer”

1. The internet is ours to do with as we wish. For about one more month, give or take.
   http://www.wsj.com/articles/congress-can-save-the-internet-1473630838
   The best way for quick emotional punch and “hell yeah” are, unfortunately, memes. But, start a meme chain reaction and suddenly public opinion starts swaying and the MSM is forced to pick up the “noise” we make. The nice thing is that corporations and governments cannot force memes to become popular, so only those that actually appeal to people en masse take hold.
   And with that, I’ll just put this down here and walk away.
   http://i64.tinypic.com/11brbq0.jpg

   1. You know, the more I think about it the more I feel that the original source material of the faust myth had it right all along. The printing press was a terrible fucking idea and most people should just stay illiterate.

      1. I don’t mind literacy. But as George Carlin points out, more important than learning to read is learning to question what you read.

         1. Carlin is right and wrong. See, for all his humor and bluntness he was still an egalitarian who believed that men WERE equal rather than that men ought to be treated equally by the law.
            The so called “dark ages” had a much more realistic way of seeing this. Some people were meant to be educated and, after being educated, initiated to some degree or another into the canon of knowledge. Other men were meant to be soldiers. Others to farm the land. Others to be merchants. Etc. Etc. Etc. It is this modern notion of “you can do anything you set your mind too” that lets us believe that everyone should be an athlete who can fight a war, lead men and follow, write a sonnet, understand higher truths, negotiate contracts, etc. etc. etc. For sure there were always great men who would come into this world who could do all of those things and they were remembered as rare and great men.
            The printing press and, to an exponentially greater degree, the internet gave men access to stuff that they will never be able to either understand or use correctly. We have forgotten that some knowledge is, in fact, dangerous and we play with it like playing with toys.
            I was always on the side of the librarian in The Name of The Rose. Some bits of knowledge are just not meant for general consumption.

         2. I don’t know where I stand on that. Illiterate fools are easy to keep docile, no question. On the other hand, the ranks of the “normal people” have produced countless great men since the invention of the printing press. Men who otherwise would have lived a life grunting behind a plow.

         3. I agree and in particular in relation to your second paragraph I would add that we have become afraid to direct the young onto the correct path by making a choice for them. I remember as recently as when I was in high school, some kids were directed into vocational tracks like shop, auto mechanics, hair styling, etc…. Today, you would be called a bully for telling a kid that he’s not smart enough to cut it at college, but that he has the aptitude and could probably make a great living as a plumber. We have become afraid to crush the naive dreams of snowflakes.

         4. Now that, that is a problem, and he’s right.
            I’d say, lose PC, and while allowing everybody to be literate, disallow the general public much political power. This is not to say to enable a dictator, rather, get back to a very, very strict and literal interpretation of an iron clad Constitution, and remove voting rights from a good 80% of the population.

         5. Agreed. There must be some kind of medium somewhere. I have always argued that after 8th grade a student shuld either be sent, free of charge, to a fucking palace of a university or to an excellent trade school. They would be as literate as they need to be, but need not go further.
            The same way that women are happier when they fulfill their calling as a woman (which is why feminists are miserable cunts) men have a calling too. Usually by 13 you can tell what a young man’s general aptitude is. Why make a born gear head sit around and learn fucking Nietzsche or Hegel?
            I don’t know. I wouldn’t go as far as to say I have the answers. My thinking is generally inchoate on the matter. Like I know there is an answer but I just can’t bring it into focus.

         6. I think that’s spot on actually. It’s the Amish model as well. Stop education at 8th grade, and if you need specialized knowledge, you pick up a book and learn it. New milking techniques ain’t gonna invent themselves!
            It would also solve the problem I mention, and we’d still get the benefit of poor and middle class savants rising in society.

         7. Weren’t there state wide tests applied in middle school that used to address vocation for burgeoning students?

         8. 100,000 upvotes. I know we’ve talked on this subject previously a long time ago, but I am also in favor of what I call “limited voting rights.” It seems to me that the current system, where we ask laymen to grasp the complexity of everything from early childhood education to nuclear power to national policy, and to vote on it, is idiotic. But, there are certain basic things where the ignorant layman’s voice matters – war, taxes, maybe others. You should get to vote on those limited things, and if you can demonstrate competence in something else – for example, if you have a degree in advanced physics, you can vote on issues related to it, like space exploration, etc…. Tougher to administer, but would probably produce much better results.
            Of course, that means all bills would have to be voted on by the public referendum style, OR, you could perhaps make the bureaucracy accountable to the electorate. Take away from the president the power to appoint the top level bureaucrats, allow experts to vote on those positions, but reserve for the president the powers to discipline and remove, with the advice and consent of the senate to serve as a check on the power of the bureaucracy. Still toying with this idea, but in general your point that most people have no business voting on most things is spot on, and I will admit that this should probably also extend to me in many areas that I just don;t give a fuck about and can’t be bothered to keep up with.

         9. Yes, as I recall. It wasn’t mandatory that you take that vocation obviously, but they guided you into a direction where your talents were most suited.

         10. That is right. Train your carpenter and plumber as a carpenter and plumber from the age of 13 and they will be better and more satisfied with their job and society will have a better class of carpenters and plumbers. If they have an interest in reading poetry or learning about ancient civilizations, have public libraries for them. However, I would caution that public libraries should not carry certain books.
             I was lucky enough, many years ago, to see Scalia speak at Hofstra University. The man was a fucking maestro and making an argument. He made all of us combined look almost as fucking stupid as @fatherofthree over there. Really, the man was an artist.
             Anyway, he was talking about cameras in the court. His argument was against cameras in the court and over the course of an hour he made an argument which was like an opera. But the punch out, the basic point, was simply that “people will not pay attention to the entire session and even if they did they won’t have the requisite knowledge and experience to fully understand it. Rather, they will jump on sensationalized sound bytes which will be played on news over and over again which will have the effect of making a LESS informed public because of the spin and a LESS independent court because of the pressure.”
             I feel the same way about certain books. Sure, anyone can pick up Tropic of Cancer or Gravity’s Rainbow, or Fight Club or Hamlet or Faust…sure, have fun. But there is stuff out there….like Plotinus, like Derrida, like……..Karl Marx…….which ought to be held in abeyance for people who have the intellectual capacity, maturity and background knowledge…and yes, moral fortitude….to read. If this was the case, stuff like Marx would be read and studied and understood rather than being shat all over an idiot public of social justice cunts who have the numbers to make it an actual thing. I think of Marxism like Nuclear Science. When it is all theoretical physics and a couple of top physicists are reading it they see its destructive power. However, when you drop it into the hands of experimental physicists and give them unlimited funding like the Manhattan project it is a very different animal.
             Now, I am not saying that we should not have developed nuclear weapons. I will leave that for another day. I am just pointing out the difference between a hand full of initiated and responsible men looking at this stuff paper and theorizing its impact and someone blowing the fuck out of Nagasaki.

         11. On the topic of egalitarianism, if one believes all men are equal as leftists do, they should go play a one on one game of basketball against Michael Jordan then try to figure out why they lost.

         12. Oh Furioso, we all know why they lost…..toxic masculinity and AR-15’s If those were banned Jordan would have been schooled.

         13. You make a very good point, but remember, I don’t think most of these social justice morons would choose to read Marx. He’s boring as fuck and naive to the point of retardation. They read it for the same reason I did – they were forced to. They adopt it for the same reason I rejected it – academics pushed it on them heavily.
             I don’t know that there is inherent danger in Marx himself. But there is an absolute danger on Marx being spoonfed to morons who are not capable of grasping the danger, and them being told that this would make the world perfect. So, I would not eliminate Marx from the libraries, because most people are not going to seek him out for a pleasure read. Instead, I would prohibit discussion of him to a general audience in High School.

         14. They’ll just whine “It’s about equality of opportuuuuuuuuunity”
             Which is bunkum. A meritocracy is a true force for equal opportunity, you can either do something really well, or you can’t. But the Leftists shut down all instances of meritocracy whenever they encounter it. What they actually mean is that they want favors handed out to special interest blocs, and nothing else. So basically they’re hypocrites. Not that it phases them in the least.

         15. For whatever reason I thought it was mandatory. Even now, making a vocation test mandatory would not be an ideal move per se. Vocations should be sought out of course, but there are new income sources that have taken hold of society and the Internet has made it dangerously easy to be become a millionaire before the age of 18. Obviously, this knowledge won’t extend, just yet, beyond the top 2 percent of children who might have found a way to become wealthy regardless.
             If pedophilia weren’t so dangerously close to becoming legal, I would suggest the apprenticeship program be instated as a possibility but then the question of this being too close to vocational schools, charter schools, or lolknee’s prestigious college idea might do the job better. Who knows. It does seem possible to get a good feel on a child’s natural gifts by the age of six, well enough to place them with an expert. Worst case scenario 13 might act as a better bar for an apprenticeship to start. Which still puts it right in the area of what might have already been addressed. Definitely a good idea that would just require fine tuning.

         16. The test was required (well, I think it was?), I meant that you weren’t forced to be, say, a plumber if your real talents lie with math and science.
             We also used to have trade schools (in Ohio I think they were called “joint vocational school” or something like that). You’d go and take classes that went to great depths of learning to teach you things like auto mechanic skills, or carpentry, or whatever. I don’t know if those still exist or not though. They might, they might not.

         17. agreed totally. But it isn’t JUSt that they are being forced to read it. They are being forced to read it by some cock sucker professor who is trying to make an argument of his own and is spinning the material in such a way that impressionable minds run off with insane fucking ideas. If it was just the work of some economist/philosopher which people read, understood and debated the points of at professional conferences then it would just be another idea out there like Leibniz’s monadolgy. Who knows what the fuck Leibniz is all about. I know 2 guys who specialize in his work and go to an annual conference to discuss it. That is where this stuff belongs. Over centuries the particularly good points trickle into the generally educated public but they aren’t shit all over a bunch of 18 year old kids and couched in nonsense like “down with government!!!!! woooO!!! lets get laid”
             Ideas can be very dangerous, but only in the wrong hands in the same way that guns can be dangerous but only when they are held by psychopaths or careless cunts. I made this argument the other day: trying to erase knowledge because of the way it is used by cuntish assholes is like trying to get rid of guns because one arab went into a club and killed 50 faggots.
             It is good and it is healthy that philosphers and mathmeticians and economists and physicists are free to work out ideas and that those ideas exist in perpetuity to be studied as part of a history of intellectual thought. The problem is when they get in the wrong hands which is why I heartily recommend keeping some information aside. You will often see me here cautioning people to proceeded slowly when invoking people like Nietzsche. It is done far too lightly by people who simply do not have the tools and context to fully understand what they are doing.

         18. You are literally (Hitler) Spraching ol’ Zarathustra to new heights today, bro.

         19. I agree.
             It would do some good too if vocational professions were appreciated rather than every kid growing up thinking they can go pro in sports or actually wanting to sell themselves for the glitter of celebrity slavery while thinking that being the best contractor (or what have you) is beneath them. But I suspect it is largely less profitable and harder to maintain control otherwise.
             Also, the wonderful thing about pontificating and philosophy is that it should be completely possible to understand the disparities between the theoretical and the practice. Sometimes an idea should be kept from implementation if only because it is impractical (not to mention how much damage the attempt might do in terms of social cohesion, resources, and longevity).
             The problem comes when deciding how to enforce any of this. In changing what “should” into what “must be,” history has shown the grandest of hearts and intentions fall into abject tyranny and people will only be pushed so far for so long.
             Even Plato understood Utopia was unattainable.

         20. Yeah, I agree. If I pick up a book on quantum physics, or Nietzsche, I put it down because it may as well be written in Chinese to me. That’s the way I view these books should be. I should not be coached to adopt them or any particular view of them. And if I have an aptitude for the subject, the work is available for me to pick up.

         21. I don’t think he was suggesting a ban. You could keep Marx in the library and it’s not a big deal, nobody would read him because he is awful and nearly comically inept. He’d go away through attrition I’d think, in time, if he weren’t constantly pushed by leering Leftist professors on every single warm body on campus.

         22. Of course there are always issues and I simply don’t have the answer. The wisdom of Solomon would fall short here, let alone a nihilistic, impulse driven hedonist in new York city. That said, what I do know is that the middle ages church was in fact correct…..some books, some ideas, some philosophies and sciences are simply far too dangerous to put into the hands of the average man. They need to be held back, protected and studied. The image of the wizard is not one to take lightly. The man with secret and forbidden knowledge who, due to this knowledge, has power. We have forgotten that there is magic out there and that not everyone should have access to it.

         23. exactly right. And what is worse is that if someone is feeding you this information you have no way to know how good or bad their interpretation is. I have gone to the annual Nietzsche conferences. Hundreds of people and not one of them fucking agrees with the next. What they do have is room fulls of 18-21 year old kids who have no other choice but to take their word for it who they can manipulate with passionate appeals.
             Behind every club of idiot fucking students on a campus yammering on about bullshit there is a faculty advisor who they are parroting. But this is what is so dangerous about the internet. I can go online and make a blog for fucking free and pour out a bunch of emotional appeals with reference back to texts and people might read it and when certain people, people who are made to feel special by my analysis, read it they will emotionally conclude it is correct. This simply is a dangerous thing to do. Just as dangerous as handing the keys to a porche to an 11 year old. It’s all there.

         24. But you know, as I think about it, you’ve highlighted the paradox between your position and lolknee. Professors at some point in the past pushed this shit, even though they had the intellectual capacity to realize how dangerous it was. So it’s not just laymen who are dangerous when armed with knowledge. Intellectuals can also be quite dangerous, because they often think they know better than they do.
             Which brings us back to the solution that worked so well until we abandoned it – the Republic, where intellectuals cannot arrogantly exercise power, nor can the masses.

         25. We have forgotten that some knowledge is, in fact, dangerous and we play with it like playing with toys.

             I’d put Internet porn into this category for a plurality of reasons.

         26. I am fiercely anti porn

         27. To be honest you can notice behavioural changes when you’re watching it versus not. The subliminal things it must do to your mind is terrifying.

         28. No, this is by design I think. A person told “under our system, you can do anything you want!” and then he discovers he can’t, well, he’ll become highly disillusioned maybe to the point of Leftist activism. If you’re truthful up front “Hey, you would make a great plumber, but not really a good physicist” then the kid has realistic expectations, and if he then goes on to be better than his aptitude, he credits the system for the ability to rise above his skillset.

         29. Agreed…and I am of the opinion that it is not just your mind but it has a negative physical impact. I don’t tell other people what to do, but I really think that pr0n is one of the more unhealthy habits of an American population that is obsessed with unhealthy habits.

         30. Socrates himself was a soldier before a philosopher. I think the problem with a lot of modern day academic “intellectuals” who get to have an impact on public policy is a complete lack of experience in the real world.
             How many professors do you think have worked 12 hour shifts on their feet in the hot sun? For how many is being a professor the most “power” and “respect” they’ve ever had in their lives?

         31. Yep. The only equality that should be permissible is equality under the law. Equality of opportunity and such other notions is ludicrous because it drags everyone down to the lowest common denominator.

         32. I think everyone should be encouraged to learn as much as they can, to be able emotionally and intellectually to question everything they learn, and to take responsibility for themselves and what they choose to do with their lives. I think what is important to understand about humanity is that, because people’s heads are up their ass and people got shitty shit for brains, the power of one person over another and the power of central authority over everyone must be strictly limited. The limitation of government is the essence of human liberty, in other words.

         33. That’s also a problem indeed, and precisely the reason that intellectuals should not been seen as decision-makers. It’s not that their thought and input is not valuable. It’s that it has to be filtered through real life to see if it makes sense. Today we defer to academics as though they have not only intelligence (which many of them have) but also experience (which most do not).

         34. Very cynical. Sad that I would once have said this was delusional, but now am inclined to agree with it.

         35. So, I’ve finally managed to hack Lolknee’s brain.

         36. we always have plenty in common Monsieur. It’s just that the differences are more fun.

         37. I see the lottery as a good parallel (on a microcosm) to the concept of opportunity these sorts of folks are getting so wrong.
             Anybody can go for the prize (that’s our equality), maybe some have to drive farther to pick a ticket (effort), maybe some buy more and therefore increase their chances (means), and some may even just be luckier (heredity). But the only ones absolutely guaranteed to lose out completely are the ones who never even bought in to begin with and they are the same ones complaining the loudest about it being “unfair.”

         38. Knowledge too dangerous? Please explain what you concretely mean by this almost prophetic exclamation, or I call bullshit.

         39. Care to explain some reasons please?

         40. Kinda true.
             I take a stance in between. I’d like everyone to be free to try to be whatever they want to, but let it be their own responsibility to get there.

         41. “A meritocracy is a true force for equal opportunity, you can either do something really well, or you can’t”
             To a certain degree. In some cases “really well” is against just a trend and thus subject to popularity vote. Thus, sometimes meritocracy is more about being a good seller.

         42. They don’t seem to have any. They just like the mystical sound of “dangerous knowledge”.

         43. The problem is deciding who becomes “great” before they are great. It is akin to mystical reading of tea leaves and blind belief in prophecy. Which is what they would do with science: “Well, let’s take objective facts about #great men# and then weed out those who fit them#.” Of course, the problem is firstly agreeing on what great men are, then agreeing on what traits they share, then agreeing on which of those traits are relevant etc.
             The reality is that great men are often great because they do stuff no one expects them to do.

         44. By 13 you can tell? Heh. Wanted to doubt it, but there is a bit of truth. Although if anything, at 13 I displayed INTEREST in the things I later became good at. I was not yet particularly noteworthy good at them.

         45. I have always felt that learning certain things takes time and dedication. I hate “readers” little books with bits and prices.
             Ideologues and morons alike need to be kept away, I think, from certain ideas.
             I am only 50/50 on the idea what everyone should be taught to read.
             These morons who hear some idea they don’t fully understand and don’t have the capacity, interest or attention span to follow up on are the ones who make a passion play for hearts and minds. It’s how a fiercely anti-nationalistic man who hated anti Semitism wound up being a posthumous stooge for a group like the Nazis.
             I’m not so much of a believer in giving everyone a voice. Most voices ought to be silenced
             As a side note: have you ever watch Jan Swankmejer’s (spelling?) Faust? If not, you should. You would like it.

         46. It is the interest that matters. There will always be mistakes but you can tell a scholar from an inventor from a fighter from a farmer at a young age. Even where there are errors they wouldn’t be anywhere near as bad telling kids that they can do anything and ought to try everything.

         47. I’ll put it on my watch list.

         48. Well, when I was 13, nobody was much interested in my interests, so to speak. I was into computers and photography. My grandma wanted me to be a doctor ideally. My mother, I don’t even know if she had a plan besides me ‘being with her forever’.
             It just takes someone to say ‘You are interested in this, but you can never do it’ to crush that. At that age, I didn’t even think about doing it as a job. I just liked doing it. Later when I was better at it, I realized people wanted to pay me to do it.

         49. absolutely. Me either. I was without guidance too. How great it would have been if intelligent and astute people were watching me to see what my interests and inclinations were and were encouraging them rather than making me dance around for 2 decades before finding my own way.

         50. do so. especially if you are familiar with the faust myth. I saw some of your excellent and cool videos and almost thought that you must have seen this stuff because if you told me you were directly influenced I would have thought it totally natural.

         51. But how would they have decided whether it was ‘your real vocation’ or instead have said ‘youre not made for this boy, do sth else, because others are better at this’

         52. Wait … my excellent and cool videos? Did I accidentally post my Youtube link here? 😀

         53. I don’t have an answer to that. I wish I did. It will take someone much smarter than me. What I do know is that even with the eventual errors and mistakes that will happen, it would, if done well, be infinitely superior to letting16-18 year old make choices that they are simply too uninformed and immature to make which have too great an effect on the rest of their life.

         54. I disagree. I think that we all have an inner voice, from God if you will, a gut instinct, that tells us where to go. The only reason why this can be defective is when it has been repressed and lost connection to due to not having been allowed to follow this voice.

         55. no it was posted on the other site you sent me too yesterday. You had commented your videos in one of his articles.

         56. Ah! Well, thanks. Heh. No, I never heard of that Faust thing (but I did hear about the play).

         57. maybe you are right. Maybe not. I honestly don’t know. This is my inclination. Whether for good or for bad, since I no longer take a part in the education of our youth, have no desire to further my own education and have zero interest in procreation my thinking on the topic is fatally theoretical and only of mild interest for balking points. I am arrogant, but not arrogant enough to think that my thoughts on this are either totally correct or even complete.

         58. So you are saying, in effect, that you have an opinion, but acknowledge that you don’t really know anything certain.
             Very wise.

         59. you can look at the wiki even. It is the basic story of the deal with the devil. The original is a german folk myth and probably based on the guy who funded guttenberg with the printing press. In a nut shell he sells his soul to the devil. Then comes Christopher Marlowe with a very English version where a contract is made between faust and the devil and faust gets to go around banging helen of troy and shit. Then Goethe masters it. Faust is a brilliant man who has mastered all fields and is bored and melancholy so the devil makes him a deal that he will give him unlimited power for as long as being unlimitedly powerful keeps him excited but if he is ever bored the devil gets his soul.
             At any rate, the deal with the devil for earthly power or vadge or money etc is a theme played out over and over in all mediums. Svankmajer (again, spelling?) made an amazing puppet movie on it.

         60. Sounds cool!

         61. There are some things I know better than others of course….some things I would even argue for if put to it….however, the education of our youth is something I can only really opine on.

         62. I have a certain infatuation with the devil. I have made it a point to read as much literature and poetry, history, the operas the movies. I have always felt a closeness to him…..silly though it may sound…we all have our little obsessions…mine is satan

         63. the polish version of the story is Pan Twardowski if you have heard of that? It originates at a similar time and from similar sources.

         64. by the way monsieur, I have no idea how to make cartoons or anything on the computer and can’t draw worth a lick, but I had an idea for a cartoon I thought you would think is funny.
             It is Pope Francis sitting at his computer. There is an Email From: Pope Paul VI Subject Humanae Vitae and Francis is right clicking and pressing “send to spam”

         65. I think we all feel drawn to ‘him’. I think it’s like Jung said. The devil is basically our ‘Shadow’. All the parts of our self we keep hidden.

         66. Yes, Jung is right, but there is more to it. The devil is a remarkable character. When I picture him I always picture him sitting alone. Who to talk to? THe nerve? The audacity to stand up to god himself and then be cast down. Being given power over the earthly domain and the only thing he wants is the one thing he can’t have….to go home…to go to a place he belongs….forever banned from his ability to be amongst those he belongs with he is forced to spend an eternity being king over a kingdom he didn’t want all for the act of defying god who, ironically, is the one entity he wants to be near. To me it is a beautiful story filled with heroic bravery, loneliness, angst and the feeling of being master over a universe that you are necessarily and always apart from while being banned from the one place you belong.

         67. See it as a metaphor. It is exactly what our Shadow is. Our Shadow protests against our Ego (the false God) that tells us how to be ‘good men’. And all it wants is to reunite with this Ego, to form a whole self.

         68. As cheesy as it is… The archetype I keep coming back to is Son Goku… The characterization of a life well lived…
             

         69. yes sir. The sense of a necessary alienation for the self (as well as from society) where one is the absolute master of a kingdom he despises has always been something I held close. It has waxed and waned over the years, but my infatuation with the devil has always been there. I have followed all the myths. He really is the only interesting character. Where other characters are interesting it is only in their participation with the devil character.

         70. Although by necessity, the devil must be different for everyone, as to what this person grew up with forming as their ‘identity’. The beta’s Devil is the Alpha. The narc Alpha’s Shadow is the weak Beta. We each face different demons. But in Christian tradition with a rather fixed set of norms about ‘goodness’, the devil traditionally is the exact opposite of that. Which explains our stereotypes about the Devil/Shadow. But in deeper reality, there is no duality between good and bad or Self and Shadow. It is – and craves to be! – one.

         71. It’s still not contradictory. If the market demands a good sell, then the best seller will win. Whatever the criteria, the “best” in that category rises and the rest do not (or don’t rise as high).

         72. It’s not somebody just randomly telling you that though, in how he’s describing it. It’s more along the line of noting your strengths through well measured criteria (you excel at math but suck at writing, consistently, from kindergarten to 12th grade, for example, so you might be better suited for a mathematical pursuit).

         73. I thought the librarian just didn’t like the idea that Aristotle wrote a Ricky Gervais style coffee table comedy book
             And seriously, that’s a very elitist comment

         74. but if you admit the principle of elitism it won’t be parents directing the young it will be governments directing us

         75. I am a very elitist kind of guy. I am not ashamed to say I am an elitist.
             And yes, the librarian was pissed the Aristotle worked with Gervais on the “I have AIDS” sketch. But there is the larger point that the librarian, rightly in my opinion, felt that some information was simply not meant to be given to the pleebs. They aren’t capable of handling it.

         76. I think you’re over-estimating the influence of the voting public in determining affairs of state.

         77. Well, that’s true. Doesn’t mean that what people get is actually objectively the ‘best’. It is simply what they can be persuaded to choose or what they, impulsively or not, want.

         78. you’re making an argument for a technocracy. But that’s what we’ve already got.

         79. Right. You can argue with maths, but what about writing? Some people tell me I write great. Others tell me my writing is mediocre and below high school level and shit. Who is ‘right’? It is a lot of taste in there. You can take objective criteria like ‘rich vocabulary’ or ‘complex grammar’, and yet you can surely find shitty writing that fits both criteria while finding something that captures the reader while being ‘objectively’ shitty. And then again, it may just capture those who relate to it.
             Take Bukowski. Not many people would call his writing incredibly sophisticated, I guess. And yet, many love it.

         80. Isn’t that effectively to make the argument for initiation into mystery schools i.e. secret societies, where knowledge and lore is slowly imparted to those who learn what they’re suppose to learn, i.e. jump through the right hoops?
             I’m not saying the general public is capable of understanding every subtle argument, but if you just assume that they can’t, you’re going to get a general populace that is stupider than it could be. I think you’re underestimating people. I’ve often met people I thought would be stupid who ended up considerable capacity to understand. What tends to be lacking is the desire to understand. Curiosity. But surely curiosity can be aroused can’t it?

         81. I don’t know. I go back and forth at times. I do not believe I am underestimating people. I have seen what people do in this world when they are given unfettered access to information. It’s all painfully fucking stupid. And yes, I think the ivory tower and places where people need to be initiated before they learn are a good thing. Corruptible for sure and they have been corrupted, but I think there is a basis for something good there.
             It is not just a matter of being capable of understanding esoteric ideas (which I do not think people are very good at) but having the attention span and willingness to spend the years that it takes to understand them in context (which I know they aren’t) the devotion and seriousness to understand their power (which I am sure they aren’t) and the moral fortitude to use these powers responsibly (which there is no fucking way they do).
             I have very little but disdain and disgust when it comes to the public as a whole. I in no way think that all people should have access to all information. And, as I mentioned before, I am only 50/50 on the idea of teaching most people to read. Like I spoke about with GOJ earlier, I think 8th grade is a good time to stop educating the youth and make a decision on whether they will pursue higher educations or trade educations based on natural aptitudes. Let the masons hide the secrets of masonry from the uninitiated as well.
             In the last 20 years we have seen the fastest and largest dissemination of information in history by a long shot. What did we do with it? We made the internet a delivery system for porno and gossip and read snippets and tidbits and imploded western civilization. If the alternative is the European middle ages, I will take it.

         82. lol

         83. You just want to be an esoteric snob.

         84. I AM an esoteric snob.

         85. I thought you would like that. Couldn’t think of anyone else.

         86. the democratisation of education worked out badly, because it was about getting everybody educated to degree level. You’re not wrong in saying that many people have no real interest in expanding their mind, but surely that’s an argument for not forcing them into degrees they have no aptitude for, not for depriving them of access to information. I just don’t get your point here: how could it be possibly be beneficial to society to have half the population remain illiterate? It’s hard to tell whether you’re being serious here or just making an ROK style argument for limiting rights.
             What I am unclear about is what you mean by ‘access’. Sure, don’t force-feed people; don’t spoon feed them (modern tertiary education fails precisely because of this) but if you’re going to deny them access to something, then the question arises for what reason; with what purpose?
             Concealment is usually the flip side of revelation isn’t it? I could see your position justified from that perspective, but that doesn’t seem to be where you’re coming from

         87. I wouldn’t go as far as saying illiterate. But I don’t need every idiot college student reading Nietzsche or The Communist Manifesto or some basic reader in physics, philosophy, sociology…..Like I said, if they want literature it should be there for them. But there are other ideas that should be kept from people. The modern idea that everyone is capable of every thought is a frightening and new one. Since hundreds of years before Plato esoteric teachers would hand pick students from the elite ruling class and pass information on to them.
             I can’t say I will argue to the death for this, I mean I am just not really sure where I stand on it. But a large part of me feels that society would be better served with a population who was ignorant of the darker truths. The church didn’t want parishioners to read the bible. They wanted it to be given to them from a priest. Was this such a bad idea? Was it such a bad idea for carpenters and masons to keep their craft trades secret and pass the knowledge on to apprentices? Or for scientists and philosophers to be ivory tower types? Or is it better than ever tom dick and harry now has access to shit they can’t possibly be responsible enough to handle or understand.
             We have gone from a world where there is a very small percent of very well educated people in a society with a very large percentage of uneducated people where that education was seen as almost mystical. Now we still have a very small percent of well educated people with a whole society of pseudo intellectuals and knowledge means less and less every day. Which is better? You tell me.
             As I have said on here many times, I am no revolutionary. I like the world I am in just fine for me but amongst the reasons I don’t want to procreate is because while this world is just fine for my hedonism I want it to end with me….

         88. Whatever floats your boat

         89. I don’t think anybody here at least would argue that everybody has the capacity to learn, understand, perform all things / all functions. Democracy and democratisation of education can certainly produce ignorance rather than wisdom, but I would say limiting education as used to be the case must surely produce more ignorance.
             There is also the issue of power. Foucault was the clearest in demonstrating the power / knowledge nexus, and it’s obviously not a coincidence that democratisation of knowledge / education has occurred at a time when we are as a civilization concerned to (re-)distribute power – although since we’ve been talking about marx, there might be a distinction to be made between democratising education and indoctrinating people. Unfortunately the common college marxist – in name or fact – is surely more a product of the principle of progressive indoctrination than the principle of genuine learning. There’s a problem there perhaps because surely indoctrination i.e. the propagation of ideology is not the same thing as real education, where people are taught to think for themselves, and – hopefully – to distinguish between being taught what to think and being taught how to think. Roger Scruton makes that point well, and the danger we are faced with today is that increasingly people aren’t being taught those essential skills of critical thinking. So if that is the case how do we even know that this democratisation of education has failed? If it’s purpose is to indoctrinate people into progressive ways of thinking (the better to govern them) then it is failing as education but succeeding in its purpose of government).
             Re. the catholic church I would say the control the church / priesthood maintained over the general population was entirely bad except perhaps to the extent that it produced a system that worked. A system that worked precisely because it was based on mystification c.f. the Grand Inquisitor in Dostoyevksy. Democratising understanding of the bible produced all sorts of wacky ideas, but it also produced a revolution in education. I would say that was for the good.
             As for the mystery schools. Here I guess we get to the heart of the notion that that eduction should be an elite or at least limited affair. I guess it does rather depend on the nature of the knowledge in question, but then we’re dealing on the one hand with the issue of intellectual capacity – does this person have the brains to understand something – and on the other – the question of whether they have the ability or temperament to handle some kind of truth (wisdom?) – perhaps dark truths or unpopular truths about the world. Again how does one distinguish between knowledge and power here? Are we talking about ultimate truths of the universe here (as one would normally understand say pythagoreanism?) or truths that relate to the true nature of society / social power?
             Look at Leo Strauss and his legacy? We’ve had two decades of elites believing in the noble lie? What is the result? Wars in Iraq & Afghanistan. Okthat may not be directly leo’s fault) but look at the loss of trust in public institutions, in democracy as an institution – that arguably is the fault of people like Leo who like Jack Nicholson in a A Few Good Men think that the public can’t handle the truth. Look at the current US election – it pretty much exemplifies the american “paranoid style”. A great deal of that could be seen as a consequence of the idea that the elites should keep knowledge and technologies of management to themselves. It isn’t working.
             Yes, the public can be feral, and can easily be roused and manipulated (c.f. Plato’s great beast) but thinking the worst of everybody can sometimes turn out to be self-fulfilling perhaps.
             Maybe instead there is a case for greater openness; greater access (i.e. real access) and eduction that is not mere parroting of received opinions etc. Who knows maybe it wouldn’t all turn to shit?

         90. a lot of stuff here that is good to be unraveled. With the power/knowledge nexus…remember, that as knowledge was decentralized so was power…as power was decentralized it lost meaning (much like knowledge did) and now it is totally scattered to the wind and meaningless. in the absence of power and knowledge we are left with, to use the jargon, a simulation of power and a simulacra of society. In a nut shell, nothing is real any more.
             I’ve read the Rodger Scuton book and thoroughly enjoyed it
             I really take no issue with any of what you say here. And while it isn’t exactly fair to pin all this shit on Strauss it isn’t exactly unfair either. There is a fairly direct line from Strauss to Bloom to Wolfowitz and company. But again, this is what happens when radical ideas are funded at a national level and armies put behind them instead of them staying locked up in the academy.
             I understand the case for greater openness and disagree but my disagreement is based on personal feeling and so isn’t much of an argument at all. It is all gong to turn to shit anyway, ya know, so it is all just an academic exercise. The horse has left the barn and there is no getting her back in. But sometimes I really wonder if things weren’t better when the church held the world together and kept the pleebs ignorant and illiterate. Hard to say. Grass always greener yadda yadda.
             What I will say is that I don’t recommend procreation in a world with decentralized knowledge and power.

         91. So the criteria is selling then, and the best salesman still wins. What they are asking for is what is in demand, not what they think that they want. I think this solves the equation quite equitably.
             Besides, most of the time in an actual meritocracy, the best product for the needs demanded by the end user usually comes out on top. People like to use Beta versus VHS as a counter example, but my refutation is that the people didn’t see any value to the “extras” of Betamax and it was a more poorly served market, so ultimately the “best” by the demands of the end user still won out.
             It’s not a popular opinion of course, since it’s not complimentary to people who are uncomfortable being around super slick salesmen.

         92. Well of course, the best salesman wins. Or rather, the best salesmEn make some money. It’s not like there is only one winner, right. But surely one is allowed to question whether this leads to optimal results or whether another model gives better results – by whatever criteria or standard. Not saying it does, but I am open for the possibility. Obviously, socialism so far has fundamentally failed so unless those ideas get a deep rehash, no way I want that over the salesmen-thing.
             I use to be one of the guys uncomfortable around salesmen. It disgusts me. They are usually (!) not selling the product, but selling feelings and their own personality. Then you go home and find you have bought something that you didn’t really need, only because the guy was sympathetic or made you feel bad about not having something. BUT that’s not evil or anything, because I like people taking responsibility for their own shit. So there’s that.

         93. I like old Roger Scruton. Tweedy sort of philosopher. I haven’t read Bloom, but I’ve often intended to.
             Ok Strauss gets a lot of flak. I think we agree that at least some of it is deserved. I would say that the age of his influence is probably coming to an end, and with it the influence of the neo-cons. They had their chance and they blew it. The world is worse for their influence not better . Even if Strauss was right about the need for the noble lie (I would like to think he wasn’t) then his followers managed to completely screw it up. They lied, got found out, and in retrospect there seems to be nothing ‘noble’ about it. Personally I find Bill Kristol kind of affable, but why on earth do people continue to listen to what he has to say? He’s done
             I don’t entirely disagree that the horse has bolted but I think your pessimism is getting the better of you. Politics is never wholly about lies or truth is it – to state the very obvious. It’s a mixed economy. At the moment we have had more lies and fewer truths, because of the Leo Strauss type noble lie thinking, so perhaps what we need is shift back in the direction of transparency. It can’t be just show. There’s a crisis in democracy, and that has to be addressed

         94. one last thing: remember that the revolution in education that democratizing the bible produced wound up being the very catalyst for socialism.
             No one mentioned to Dostoyevsky, on account of him being dead, that it is all fun and games until the farmers kill the Romanov family.

         95. that’s true. There’s always been a slightly commie aspect to protestantism

         96. I think that the closing of the American mind might be one of the most important books to come out of the last 40 years. Def worth a read.
             I aimed, in my youth, to be a tweedy sort of professor before I went all corporate. It is a nice life if you can get it. And yes, Strauss doesn’t deserve as much flak as he gets, but he definitely deserves some. The neo-con movement wasn’t all terrible and a lot of it made sense on paper. This is the kind of thing that would have greatly benefited from another 100 years of refining before someone spent a couple trillion dollars on giving the U of Chicago school for social thought a fucking army ya know.
             And yes, again agreed….the Straussians are the ones who fucked up Strauss not so much Strauss himself. THe justified their lying by saying they were bringing along the population on a trip they wouldn’t really understand but in the end would be good for them. It was arrogant, but you have to admit it was ambitious and, hey, at least they were tyring to do something real….these pop culture politicians are nothing more than reality tv stars…both of them…..DC is just los angeles for ugly people now. Those Neo Cons were doing something exciting. Yeah, they fucked it up, but at least they tried and I honestly think they believed it would work.
             The funny part to me is that with total agreement on the facts you posit a shift back to transparency and I posit a shift back to absolute monarchy. The question won’t get resolved because ultimately neither of us will get what we want. In the end, the world that we have now will be a Jean-Luc Nancy, Foucault kind of world where there is no power but only the illusion of it and we will see where that leads us.

         97. I can remember once wondering whether I could be an academic, and realising eventually that I probably didn’t have quite the right qualities, but I think I knew instinctively that I would never look quite right wearing tweed. There are probably a lot of things that go into being an academic, and the ability to wear tweed while not compulsory probably goes along way towards making up for any purely academic failings. It’s about credibility.
             I also remember standing in a WH Smiths bookstore in wood green, north london, about 20 odd years ago and contemplating whether to buy that very book on the closing of the american mind. For some reason I didn’t, but I will I suppose have to check it out.
             I’m not sure I can quite indulge the straussians to the same degree as you, even if maybe leo himself shouldn’t be blamed for wars he probably could never have imagined. Obviously some of those academic sorts had a lot of experience in government. Maybe back in the 1990s they could be forgiven for some kind of idealism – although I’m not quite sure how a policy of deliberate deception fits with the notion of idealism – but twenty plus years on they are still pushing the same old failed policies. As I say I can’t but help like Bill Kristol, for no other reason but his manner but Victoria Nuland and co. make me angry – they haven’t learned a thing from mistakes that have cost so many lives. Obviously the whole area is mired in controversy (and the relationship between US / Israel – lets no go there) but wouldn’t it just be better to quietly retire the lot of them. They’re divisive figures amongst everybody pretty much, and there’s always the danger they’ll start some fresh mischief. Sometimes there needs to be a change of personnel – yet if Hillary doesn’t croak at her presidential inauguration some have prophesied (specifically Nostradamus) that Nuland could end up Secretary of State. Madness, and they say Trump is a menace
             You can have your absolute monarchy, but you’d have to swear fealty to the British Queen

         98. But, there are certain basic things where the ignorant layman’s voice matters – war, taxes, maybe others.Why exclude exactly these categories?
             That’s how you get libtards who want extra taxes to fund more welfare or refuse a war for oil/commodities. They are always for wealth redistribution and never for wealth creation.

         99. Yes, but you weren’t privy to the full discussion in the other thread. My other stance is that if you don’t effectively pay taxes, you also don’t have a vote.

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         101. Oh boy. U r not an elitist. U are just an idiot who cant compete.

         102. Lol. Ok there tough guy.

         103. You quoted a quote:
              “We have forgotten that some knowledge. . .”
              . . . is a quote from the main article. In other words, the author of the article said this.

      2. Or what about having the printing press, and even libraries, but no public schools teaching literacy. How many degenerates would put forth the time and effort into learning to read?

      3. i guess you just want all the power to remain in the hands of catholic church

         1. I don’t know. Would that be worse than where it is now? I am not saying we should revert, but we should, I think, look at some of the things that did work in the past and hold on to them. I simply do not believe that people were all cut out to have access to everything.

         2. I don’t see what the harm is. Most people aren’t going to get seduced by dry academic texts, but why should they be denied access to them if they should desire to expand their knowledge – one of the great heroes of our time as far as I’m concerned was Aaron Schwartz, who effectively gave his life (at least that’s how it turned out) so that knowledge (effectively paid for through the public purse, but charged for by greedy profiteering publishers) could be freely available to all. The only argument that I could make in favour of your position, is that generally it is only being denied (access to) knowledge that makes people actually curious. That’s why schooling in third world countries with limited access often involves levels of enthusiasm that in the west is almost unthinkable

         3. Because people take bits and pieces and look for confirmation basis. The Nazi’s had Nietzsche they didn’t understand. Today we are getting marx rammed down our throats by cherry picking morons. The context is totally lost and no one realizes that there is power in ideas…so they are being treated too casually. In the end, this new world is what we have and I can’t complain….I am doing alright and enjoying it….but if it were my choice I would make things different. Alas, it isn’t so I will stick to hedonism towards annihilation.

         4. but the difference between nietzsche and marx is that the former wasn’t necessarily about ‘praxis’ – at least not in any mass movement sense. Your dumb marxist students are actually very good marxists in the sense of the praxis of ‘changing the world’. If anything it is the academic marxist who only wants to ‘interpret the world’ (of marx) who is doing violence to marx? Or maybe the problem is we have too many trying to be ‘vanguard’ intellectuals? I mean I get that the nazis mis-used nietzsche but is marx supposed to be an exercise in the life of the mind?

         5. True. However, if books like Das Kapital were sitting in a forbidden wing of a library accessible by people who have spent their lives understanding the history of economic theory it would remain part of an intellectual history instead of a movement.
            Your diagnoses of having too many vanguard intellectuals is dead on too. We live in a world where everyone wants to lead and no one wants to follow. A country of 300 million generals and no privates.
            That the “life of the mind” is for everyone is some Vietnam draft dodging hippie nonsense. The life of the mind is for those who are predisposed and properly trained to have a life of the mind. Thinking that just anyone can jump on in is like me saying I can just show up one day and be an engineer. The problem is, with the later example my idiocy will shine right away when I can’t do anything right. The former example will show people with similar idiocy finding each other (especially now with the internet) and everyone can pretend they are right.

         6. I agree with a lot of that. Re. the life of the mind, I’d say in a sense that has more to do with taking pleasure in thinking and contemplating rather than necessarily having ability (IQ?) or thinking skills (although I do think some of that can be taught). The fact is most people are lazy about thinking, or at least are lazy about thinking about certain things – may be because they lack curiosity, or the necessary kind of attention, or just have lives that are too interesting in other ways (if you get invited to parties every night the allure of reading books may not be so great). Sure there’s a lot of wishful / platitudinous thinking / that reflects what liberals want to think rather than anything that resembles reality, but that just means those do-gooders are wrong, not that people are necessarily inherently limited. The bottom line is that many of our limits are “mental” rather than inherently related to capacity: but isn’t that one of the great truths of the mystery schools themselves, that we limit ourselves, that the limit relates to mind.

         7. I just feel that the limits are not only imposed by intelligence or IQ or what have you but also by maturity and by experience. I see college students all the time who after a couple of survey courses will pontificate on the worlds knowledge. They don’t have the patience to understand context both self contained within the system and on the macro level in the history of thought and they don’t have the maturity and experience to tackle things with the dethatched lack of emotion they require.
            Hard to say.

         8. I can’t really disagree with that, but then some of that is just to do with the fact that they are young. It’s very easy to think one knows and understands more than one does. Even when you’re older but especially at that age.
            Otherwise I’d say a lot of that has to do with a culture that no longer has any respect for (traditional) authority, but then we’re not going to get that back in a hurry I guess

         9. agreed but it is all bound together. Why would a culture have respect for traditional authority when they can go online and become their own authority or find some website which serves their conformation bias and let that be their authority. There are an infinite number of “experts” out there now and people can pick and chose from which authority makes them feel good about themselves. It was the rarefication of authority that made it respected. A very prophetic essay on this and worth a read is by Hubert Dreyfus called Kierkegaard on the Internet: Anonymity vrs. Commitment in the Present Age. This was written in the early ’00’s and was amazingly prophetic about where we were going and the problems it was going to cause.

         10. I’ve not heard of Dreyfus but I’ll check out the article when I can. To be honest I think there is a great deal of good in this kind of development too, and very similar to say the effect of native peoples being able to read the bible in their own language for the first time some 500 + years ago. Taking charge of your own learning isn’t a bad thing, even if it is incredibly easy to get it wrong, and incredibly hard to get it right. Many influential sorts have been autodidact self-starters. There are kids out there right now without a qualification to their name trying to navigate their way round MIT opencourseware. Most aren’t going to get very far – what’s available clearly isn’t the same as the experience received by actual MIT students, but I imagine that the sorts who engage seriously with such material are either going to find ways round that, or are going to end up putting themselves forward for a paid, structured and led course.
             Moreover the internet is often profoundly self-correcting. When people who think they know something but don’t hold forth on a subject, they’re often going to get set straight pretty quickly. All of this just means that authority is changing. Some people – most? – are simply going to seek to confirm their own biases but quite a few will end up taking charge of their own learning, and working within new kinds of hierarchies.

   2. The next evolution of the internet will be meshnets, completely decentralized networks with no central route points.
      This is very actively in development and some cities are already experimenting with them.
      http://motherboard.vice.com/read/toronto-gets-its-own-free-encrypted-mesh-network-CRTC-meshnet
      With this, the free flow of information will be unstoppable by the elites and with that, more power to the people.

      1. I admit that this is an area where I really don;t understand how things work, and I just thank the internet gods that they do. But I have read about the recent efforts to police internet content and to implement control mechanisms, and this concerns me. So, on the topic you link, does this get around those problems?
         My thought is that the government cannot move fast enough to really do what it is trying to do, and that if they really locked down the internet, it doesn’t strike me as something that would be terribly difficult to get around. After all, why couldn’t people just build another one?

         1. Meshnets are practically impossible to censor or shut down.
            Yes, you’re right that the government will not be able to move quickly enough to stall this. It’s a race against time and they will lose.
            Here’s a short video that gives some basic information on how it works (although it’s slightly outdated):
            

         2. Interesting. Thanks for the video. I like this idea, but the danger I see is that there is less incentive to protest when one of the nodes is attacked. Now, I think the possibility of mass revolt is the force that pushes back against censorship. But in a world where the government goes after individuals, it dilutes the risk. It’s more like speeding tickets. If you get tagged with one, you can be fucked, but you probably won;t get tagged, so you don’t worry about it. In reality, the whole system is fucked up and should be abandoned, but you can’t muster the outrage necessary to do so because most people don’t think they’re at risk.
            I think this is a good idea, but I do think that is a hidden danger.

         3. In a mesh network, every user is an unknowing participant in what his neighbors are doing. If I fire up my mesh PC, then anyone within a couple of blocks from me will be using my PC as a beacon. That doesn’t convey any sort of responsibility on me as to the legality or appropriateness of what they are using the network for, anymore than AT&T is responsible when some guy in Boston orders Kratom from the UK online via the big AT&T underground internet pipeline from US to the UK.
            Any node doesn’t know or see what others are doing. It’s a bit similar to torrents, in that a bunch of people are doing a little bit of contributing to a single user’s experience. With the main difference being on a torrent, I’m only “helping” other people that are downloading the same torrent as me (so if we are both torrenting Narcos Season 2 you could say we are both culpable of an illegal act). With mesh networks, you are simply a dumb pipe passing ones and zeros and the network doesn’t know or care what they are or where they’re going.

         4. I see your point, but I don’t think that necessarily gets away from the problem. Suppose I’m a guy the government wants to target for some reason. It’s probably not hard to charge me with some crime because something passed through my pipe. So what people perceive to be random pickoffs will possibly be targeted at unpopular speech originators. The meshnet would keep working, so most won’t notice or care. But there will be a real problem with speaking freely. Not saying it would happen, just saying I see it as a danger.

         5. I don’t know how meshnets handle the info in the pipe, but if it’s anything like freenet/darknet, the information is decrypted at its target, and the pipes in the network will not and can not know what the information they’re passing is.

         6. Yeah, but under current law, I’m not sure that matters. Suppose you get hacked today and someone on the mesh net starts passing child porn through your computer without your knowledge. This is a strict liability crime, no intent required. If the government wants to come after you for posting on this website, they will then size your computer (in the most nefarious scenario, perhaps they will intentionally try to route the material through your computer first), run forensic analysis on it and show it was used in the transmission of child porn. You’re fucked and they get to shut down your voice. I’m not sure that decryption matters.
            Put it another way, if you had a physical pipe under your property that was illegally funneling toxic waste, it wouldn’t matter if you had an input/output valve. The government would find a way to charge you just for allowing it to pass through your property without trying to stop it.

         7. Actually it has to necessarily matter. End to end encryption of anything cannot be a legal liability for the pipe that carries it, or every single hacking attempt could be laid at the feet of the internet pipeline owners, and AT&T would suddenly become responsible for Target having it’s poorly secured servers hacked. That would eliminate the internet *over night*.

         8. Look, I agree in theory. But in practice, if I’m an authoritarian government, this is what I would use to crack down on people I don’t like.
            I confess a degree of ignorance on how exactly this works, but am I incorrect that when this encrypted message passes through the “pipe,” it has to register at each node that it touches? And further, doesn’t this create a “copy,” albeit encrypted, on your computer?
            Think of it like a letter traveling through the post office – no one opens it, but each post office has some stamp that records receipt so you can track it and make sure it is correctly routed. Taking the pornography example, if your stamp is on that envelope and it is illegal to possess it, you are guilty. Same on the computer, it doesn’t matter if you look at it, it matters if it resides on your computer. I recognize that you’re saying this view would destroy the internet (or the mail system) because the government could shut down every server it passed through, but that’s my point. They currently COULD, but don’t because shutting down Google (though probably desirable) would create a shit storm. But when you no longer have that option, you could start to choose to target individuals and just say, “doesn’t matter if you looked at it, it touched your system, and that’s a crime.” Because this would be individualized, and most would not be affected, most would not care. This would allow the government to punish speech in a way that it currently doesn’t.

      2. Supposedly meshnets were developed years ago in many developing nations (very primitive ones, like Africa). That is in fact how the One Laptop Per Child $100 computers were designed to access the internet.
         But I have not witnessed it or heard much about it since then. I imagine governments everywhere are greatly opposed to the idea. Although the government basically created the internet, and *designed* it to be decentralized and difficult to control or shut down, there are still a few choke points where they can control things. With systems like TOR and protocols like mesh networks, these chokepoints are removed.

         1. Yes, you are right that this is how OLPC was designed to connect to the internet.
            I think halfway through governments realized how this can be used against them, which is why research and funding for meshnets went down, but there’s been a surge of interest in them as of late considering the possibilities of censorship of free speech by the government.
            I think together with TOR, meshnet surveillance and identification of exit nodes would be prohibitively too expensive of not outright technically impossible.
            In any case, I think increasing decentralization is the future with increasing normalization of relative power between the 99% and the 1%.

         2. I probably sound like an idiot here, but what is TOR. I have seen a lot about it and I even googled it and I still can’t really figure out what it is.

         3. It’s a networking scheme that encrypts data and hides your location when using the internet. If you want to use it, rather than going full-paranoid and using it all the time, just download a live usb thumb drive of Tails, and when you boot off it, you will be in a Tor environment with several other security apps installed. If you go to a site like google, it will think you are in a foreign country, because your signal is being bounced off several “nodes” as encrypted data (a node is another TOR user) and then comes out at an “exit node” in a country of another user running Tor.
            For example, you type in google and it goes to http://www.google.fr and it’s all in French. If you take this to a public wifi ie coffee shop, boot it up on a live cd, and use it, you are more or less untraceable unless you do a few certain things. It’s basically how I’ll be ordering my kratom in a few weeks.

         4. but how will I know if local singles in my area want to fellate me?
            Seriously though, what is the larger point of that. Is this like (pardon my ignorant terminology) “black web” or is it to protect credit card numbers or is it so the government doesn’t know I just ordered some presents for my nieces birthday? I mean, what am I getting for this??

         5. No worries. TOR is an anonymity network that re-routes your internet traffic using multiple layers of encryption through several randomized servers to conceal your identity.
            
            You’re basically fetching your information indirectly by connecting through other TOR servers, instead of connecting directly to the server where you want your information.

         6. It’s similar to the ‘dark web’ in theory (ie the dark web, which is a set of alternate internet sites that you can’t go to with a regular browser, took some ideas from TOR) but this is just for regular internet usage where you want to have your identity protected. I think a good example *would* be ordering illegal kratom.
            Other uses, I would say, well, if your web usage was being restricted or monitored. Let’s say you access rok from work and they cut off access to all shitlord sites, then you just fire up tor and not only are you accessing rok but no one can tell which user it is going there, where if unencrypted they can trace it right back to your desk. or just anything that you want to do privately or anonymously. I can’t think of any great examples but neither of us are using our real names here so any time you want to be anonymous, truly anonymous.. you use TOR.

         7. ok. hence the onion logo. But what is the point? I mean, what do I get out of using TOR rather than just logging on, firing up my browser and doing my business?

         8. The point is anonymity.
            Without TOR, it’s actually pretty easy for the state to identify you from your online activity.
            With TOR, it’s extremely difficult to identify you from your online activity.
            Together with meshnets, it’s practically impossible to identify you from your online activity.

         9. gotcha.
            So there was a guy posting here from mexico the other day saying that his isp has a public internet service but ROK was banned. He could have fired up TOR and gotten on that way.
            I am not particularly subversive and I do not do anything illegal or even borderline shady. For all my cookiness, I am a pretty straight arrow. I can’t imagine anything that I do that I would feel the need to hide. I mean, an anonymous handle is one thing. I can be a bit of a dickweed at times and I don’t need some triggered cunt spaming me. But other than that I don’t know.
            How are there sites that you can’t go to with a regular browser? Is it like buysomeheroin.com or pedophilesunited or something?

         10. That is the dark web. And that’s something totally different. No, Tor is just for regular sites. Sadly, I’m mostly a straight arrow myself and can’t think of any better examples of when to use Tor. I have used it to browse subversive sites (nothing illegal, just I assume the government is monitoring me because I’m a shitlord and didn’t want to draw attention to the fact that I’m reading about some topic. I can’t even remember what kind of content it was, it’s been years since I’ve used it. Maybe articles about hacking wifi, or getting free internet at the airport, or something. And I turned it on occasionally, just because the more users it has, the more nodes there are and better it works.
             Kind of like how torrents rely on people leaving their torrents running after they are finished downloading–the more torrent users, the faster your download will be.

      3. What’s the basic idea? More people operating local servers?

         1. There is no ISP. Everyone is the ISP.

   3. Shudder…

   4. I really do think hillary is too ill to do the job and might not finish 4 year term. I don’t like to mock sick people but she can’t mislead the public about this. This isn’t a job for a person with an oxygen tank strapped to the back of their wheelchair. Its 16 hours a day with heavy travel, and highest possible stress load. She can’t be collapsing once a week.

      1. You’re correct of course. And she knows this. She doesn’t care, to her this is all about “making history!” and I suspect that she feels that if she croaks ten second after taking the oath of office, it will have been worth it because vagina. That the rest of the nation plunges into chaos doesn’t concern this sociopathic cunt in the least.

         1. Hillary is a broken woman, emotionally broken and physically broken.
            Broken Hillary…

2. Very good summarization of what essentially used to be an old practice; vetting information through scrutiny and discernment. Wasn’t really on this site in its infancy, but a lot of the reasons why I have come back to reading this site more often than not, is the level of scrutiny, humor, and in some cases the unabashed natures, used to address a new happening in the political sphere or the dating sphere and ensuing discussions it creates. The mind needs variety and flexibility to grow. Even when you disagree with an opinion. Especially when you disagree with an opinion.
   I know this may be a stretch, and as many here have addressed some aspects of finances this may fall on deaf ears. With the anonymity of our posters and the obvious chasm between us, as the general populace versus the elite, we still have yet to trump the one gap that would equalize us; money. Money brings influence, comfort, power, clarity of mind, health, and a number of other things. In the hopes that this isn’t putting wealth on a pedestal, it would be nice to see if we have any self made millionaires who would be willing to talk on their experience attaining wealth or any ways this has afforded more or less influence on a personal and social level.

   1. I tried to use some dating app the other day. Turns out you need to use your facebook account in order to sign up. This is laughably insane to me, the idea that I would give my real personal information to an app which is described as something that tracks your location everywhere you go, even when the app is closed, and reports which other people are also using the app so you can “flirt” with them.
      Apparently most younger people, who have no concept of privacy, are not troubled at all by this requirement, and even on rooshvforum many people seem to be using this app with no comment about that enormous invasion of privacy.
      And while I have both a fake facebook and a secondary phone, I’m not willing to jump through those hoops. Anyway, I think FB now requires some sort of ID verification when you set up a new account?
      My point is, if one is *required* to verify ones identity to anonymously flirt with other people, how long will it be until we are required to verify our identity to comment on a website like this one? I could see the government passing a law requiring it, or in the more typical American Fascist move, just using its controlled interests, a CIA asset like Facebook could just buy up Disqus and change the policy.

      1. Your last paragraph in particular is why I have immense reservations with dating apps as a whole. Even in the age of safety, hackers never stop working. The lauded for security iPhone has a feature which allows one to save their card to make payments. I believe items called Tap and Go. Apparently there is a digital scanner, which can read the internal chip and pull your information while tapping your phone. This is apparently only safe guarded by using lead to disrupt the censors. It may be paranoid to think about but whether it is or isn’t, why would you want to centralize your life, history, and current value in one source?
         As of yet, I haven’t heard a compelling argument yet to ‘get with the times’ and download apps for everything. Now more than ever, anonymity is one of the truest sources of truth, especially when not only your opinions and life is being observed, but it is being weaponized against you.

      2. Just require a publishing license for every site on the internet. Make it cost-prohibitive amount, and small sites will eventually shut down

         1. They will probably have tiered pricing, you know, cause reasons, and sites like jezebel would qualify for free “community education” whereas ROK would need to pay the same fees as CNN.

         2. Bingo- 50k/yr for this site, CNN has no problem paying it…

         3. close. Jizzabel would qualify as education.
            Cnn would have to pay that corporate fee
            ROK would lose license because of violation of decency standards.

      3. Yeah, it’s called OAuth2. It basically uses Facebook or Google to authenticate as a third party.

         1. Hmm. Apparently it’s a huge back door into your private account as well.
            http://www.nirgoldshlager.com/2013/02/how-i-hacked-facebook-oauth-to-get-full.html

      4. Look up PHEMA and the bullshit concocted by the elites. It’s basicaly two things: 1. The filtering and censorship of words and trending hash tags within an article. Just like the catalytic convertor in your car modifies the structure of poluting particles to less harmful ones.
         2. Some sort of news source authentification which aims to control the credibility of news sources. With a traffic lights system of rating,PHEMA rates the “credibility” of a source. Similar to a talent show for news website with elites as judges.

3. In the times prior the printing press when knowledge was passed on orally people had amazing memories – they were able to memorize whole sagas, there were great story tellers who enriched the story with their character, they knew all the remedies by heart and most importantly people talked to each other. The laws of society made sense because they were constantly validated through the human interaction.
   With the invention of the printing press everything changed – people’s attention deficit disorder started to form. What’s more, the written down word began to be used as a tool for mind manipulation and the laws got stale. The Internet just made all these problem even worse and it is about to completely kill the real human interaction.
   The written word is a dead word.

   1. Oral tradition – bronze age and more primitive societies
      Written word – Space age, nuclear age, microwave ovens, advanced medicine, advanced everything, longer lifespan and a stark decrease in the amount of embarrassing gingivitis.
      Yeah, so anyway, great to be blocked by you, so I can make simple refutations of your lunacy and not worry about you filling the thread with 1,000 posts of deflection.

      1. I think he is talking about a different oral tradition. You know, like when he and his buddies get together and work on their confirmation bias and dick sucking skills.

      2. He is right about human memory. The Greeks first started noticing it, The memories of the younger generations could not remember the massive sagas that they did. They did not write down Homer’s Odyssey and Iliad, they remembered it. To live and learn we once needed massive memories. We no longer do. Each passing generation very well may have weaker memories. You only need to know where to fine the information now, you do not need to remember it. I see what are supposed to be smart girls on Facebook. Re posting the same memes they did one to two years before. They do not remember that they had seen it before. And all their friends act like it is new. In some cases it is from smoking too much weed, but I see so many examples.
         I am stronger than most because I work out. It is not all due to being born stronger. The mind is the same way

         1. But there is no need to have massive memories when you write things down, and that brainpower can be used to other ends. In fact, even in the ‘saga’ times, most people didn’t memorize dick, rather, the bard did or the tribal storyteller/shaman, everybody else just listened and partook of the stories like we watch television. You might see the same series over and over again with Breaking Bad, but you can’t recite every script line by line. Same thing then. So really what he’s doing is generalizing based on the exception, which is a logical error.
            The beauty of the written word is that it allows the knowledge to live beyond the creator of the knowledge, so if the town bard gets slaughtered, you don’t suddenly lose a huge chunk of your culture.

         2. Im not saying do not read. But I am saying that the less you work out your mind the weaker it is. There is research that shows that humans are growing less intelligent with time

         3. I consider reading to be a workout of the mind actually. Not internet stuff, but canonical literature, or texts on physics, and such.

         4. It helps but not needing to remember it hurts. It really is just a fact that human IQ is dropping
            http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0160289613000470

         5. I’ve never, ever had to remember every single thing I read, nor has anybody else since the first alphabet was invented. I posit that people in the 1950’s were more intelligent because of factors outside of simple memory retention.
            I’m not arguing that memory is dropping. But analytical skills are increasing, I think.

         6. Do you believe that early Europeans had a matriarchal society, particularly Celtic people? Or is this just another modern myth, some kind of statistical outlier?

         7. I think it’s bunkum. They were more merit based than other tribal societies, so every long once in a while, a female would lead a clan for a while, until a man popped up to replace her. Basically though they have always been patriarchal, one need only examine Gaelic royalty and nobility to notice that there is a dearth of vaginas present in their ranks.
            The Left loves to uphold Boadicea as some paragon of “celtic equalism” but that’s funny on its face. She led an army to *avenge the murder of her king husband and rape of her daughters*, she wasn’t some amazing leader elected to the position because vagina. She only became first in command after her husband was killed. The Left wants us to think that she was Grrrl Powrr and Didn’t Needs No Man, when in fact, she was a grief stricken and very pissed off widow.

         8. Yeah, I suspected as much.
            Apparently a lot of the the Neanderthal/Celtic matriarchal bunk comes from an author called Stan Gooch.

         9. Human IQ is dropping because of the lack of a malthusian trap due to modern technological achievements.

         10. That, I agree with. Without stupidity ending in death or removing people from the gene pool in our society, we’re getting stupider overall.

         11. We have created a system where a very few intelligent people can carry a large group of unintelligent people. The stupid they no longer die. And the marginally intelligent can be treated like ants. They can be put in a specialty they are brilliant. In a more natural world they might starve to death while doing that. We’ve seen the Highly Educated idiot. brilliant in his field but lucky to be able to tie his shoes. that person couldn’t exist in another time. The renaissance man is extinct

4. Just two comments:
   a) 2016 internet is NOT 2004 internet, which was purely p2p. Modern internet is totally centralized and owned by a small group of people. We don’t download and share anymore: we just stream from someone’s company servers.
   b) Internet has given voice to millions of misfits/losers that otherwise they would have stayed at their parents’ home having unnoticed existences. Tweeting is free, going out and speak in front of a multitude has a cost and involves responsibilities.

   1. Internet has given voice to thousands of misfits/losers that otherwise
      they would have stayed at their parents’ home having unnoticed
      existences.
      CompuServe and AOL beat the internet to that punch twenty years ago.

      1. The impact of the services you mention are no way comparable to current social media on mobile broadband connection.

         1. Not my point. They were pretty big in their time. Obviously today it’s much bigger. Just noting where it started in earnest is all.

   2. i feel the same way when you said b).
      of course, due to internet, a lot of motherfuckers had their sick opinions propagated to other motherfuckers of the same type.
      btw, when the author claimed :
      “the Internet eats false idols for breakfast”
      perhaps, but internet create 10 false idols for 1 false idol destroyed : fat-acceptance, new forms of feminism, sjwness, grass eater men, lgbtxwzq hordes, all stupid teen podcasters, all stupid isis followers, sick leftism……
      all of this shit continue to exist due to the internet 2.0 (communities internet)

      1. …and Milos

         1. I agree.

      2. All groups grow in strength based on need to recognized and seen as real. If nothing else the growth of Nazi Germany should have taught the world that. If it weren’t the Internet ‘creating’ more idiots, it would be some other source. People want to belong. Think of the power of the one who has access to the IP addresses of all posters throughout, Disqus, for example. You could, in theory, graph through statistics how to make the next president of the free world simply by observing arguments and relative frequency of posts.

         1. I heartily accept your nomination.

      3. I just read today that Japan’s leading political party are part of this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nippon_Kaigi
         The Japanese are the greatest people on earth. Bar none, zero fucks given.

5. As of yet the primary reason I can think of that has allowed “us” to give counterpoints to the narrative hasn’t been any sort of illusion of freedom, but the fact that they are us and we are them. The US government has difficulty making websites, they haven’t been able to pay or entice the best and brightest into their tech departments, but they’re catching on and catching up, not to mention cracking down.
   We are ahead mostly because we still have more expertise than average, but that will change with each successive generation. Not only will they not have come up learning binary but they will have lived under even more direct and constant propaganda teaching them at the very least to look first to government to solve their issues. Why it’s important that we men take a major role in educating the young outside of the system.
   Speaking somewhat metaphorically, someone is going to be the priest telling the flock what the holy book says, so we need to make sure that our successors can come up with the words for themselves.

   1. I’ve read from a couple of sources now that the younger half of the Millenials is actually far, far more conservative/libertarian than the older half, who are by and large far Left. The reason given is that the younger ones haven’t lived in a pre-2008 world and have had to deal with their parent(s) saving for basic items instead of living this huge life of luxury. I know for a fact that my kids and all of their friends are totally turned off by the Dems, and many even tote around Trump or LP buttons at school. So…there is hope.
      Your last paragraph is the money shot. The teaching of counter-culture (we’re the counter-culture now) directs change in the culture in the future which directs change in the politics of the future. The onus is on us to raise intelligent, questioning, independent thinking young men to fill our place when we leave.

      1. Are you talking about the “”””conservatives””” who praise Milo?

         1. I’m talking about younger Millenials. That they even know and agree with some to most basic right wing ideology is amazing in this day and age of 24/7 Marxism.
            I don’t know what your deal with Milo is. Yes, he’s an attention whoring faggot, but there’s a method to his madness and he makes some pretty damned good points couched in his sarcasm and tomfoolery. Nobody is asking him to do this, he’s taken up this crusade on his own. I judge ideas by merit, not by who comes up with them. While I’m not apt to reference or quote Milo online, that doesn’t mean that he is to be disregarded simply because he’s an Anus Plumber.

         2. Every crusade has its sponsors, he is not on “his own”, for God’s sake. “Conservatives” accepting Milo, means “conservatives” accepting the normalization of sodomy. Clearly, US conservatives are a joke.

         3. I mean the manosphere isn’t sponsoring him.
            You can reject truth because of the messenger. That’s your call. I’ll take any facts I can get and use them regardless of who tells me those facts.
            U.S. right/conservatives (not cucks) are the closest thing left to classical liberalism. European liberals (the analog of us) are weak, easily bent and easily dominated. At least over here we fight back, or some of us do in any case.
            If Joseph Stalin resurrects, walks into my office, and says “You breath a mixture of oxygen, nitrogen and inert gasses”, would that mean that i should reject the truth of his words, simply because he’s an asshat dictator murdering psychopath? Hardly.

         4. ZOMBIE STALIN WANT VANGUARD SMASH BOURGEOISE! ZOMBIE STALIN WANT RISE OF PROLETARIAT! ZOMBIE STALIN FEDERALIZE MEANS OF PRODUCTION.
            (you need to read it with the zombie voice)

         5. SURPLUS CAPITAL MAKE ZOMBIE STALIN MAD!
            (sorry, this is fun)

         6. You were the first ones to be dominated my friend, cultural marxism spread from the US to Europe, not the other way around: affirmative action, feminism, “gender”, transgenderism, etc. Is the US who is creating and enforcing all this mess around the World, not Europe. Millions of dollars are spent every year on conservative think tanks: is your country more or less conservative than 10 years ago? American conservative politics is a fraud. And yes, we Europeans will resist, our countries are still mostly ethnically homogeneous, something that you Americans have never enjoyed, since you did not have the balls to solve the Black problem, nor the Jewish question, properly.

         7. Not sure why, but I’m reading it more in the Bizarro voice than a zombie voice….maybe it’s the all caps that make it sound more angry.

         8. Bizarro Zombie Stalin would be an excellent character.

         9. Bizarro Zombie Stalin on Kratom. We’re all doomed.

         10. OR IS WE

         11. Fun fact. Marvel actually had a alternate universe where all the superheroes were zombies who cleared the entire known universe of life. Afterwards, their insatiable hunger lead them to create portals to alternative universes where they consumed the humans and heroes there as well….yeah it’s a pretty convoluted storyline from what I could gather.

         12. ha. that is excellent. Hey, have you ever read seanbaby’s superfriends page? If not, it is required reading. I would start with either superman or batman. You will wind up reading them all I promise.
             http://www.seanbaby.com/super.htm

         13. Dominated you say, my friend?
             France is dead. England is in a coma. Germany as we knew it prior to 2010 is a memory only at this point. We had the Russians import a few soviet bastards in the 40’s-50’s and it took until this decade to have that even begin to fester, and even now it’s starting to get massive blowback. Meanwhile, Europeans hold candle light vigils for “peace” and forbid criticizing Islam under penalty of law.
             As far as 10 years ago and now, that depends. Lot less taxes where I live than 10 years ago, and my right to keep and bear arms is infinitely more secure than 10 years ago. Zoning laws have been revamped locally to my advantage as well. On the other hand, there are places where it is less conservative. It’s a mixed bag.

         14. I beg to differ-all this stupidity started in the UK and was disseminated from there; that is ground zero for all the cultural marxist stupidity and it is borne of their white guilt and serves as atonement for their ‘transgressions’ as a colonial power circa Queen Victoria. It took root in other Anglosphere countries and ultimately the US and its useful idiots sent it back to the rest of Europe.

         15. Thank you, yes. Fabian Socialists are an English thing, and they were right proud to be adherents to Marx except for the “revolution” thing. Way predates our decline over here.

         16. We have a society of those morons here in Australia and the first female Prime Minister (who was unelected and got the position by subterfuge and scheming) is one of those, the miserable sack of ‘human’ garbage.

         17. I’ll look into it.

         18. Must crush capitalism http://67.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1rp88Ge361qaecjjo1_250.gif

         19. YES!

         20. This is one you will thank me for.

         21. Is it safe for work?

         22. Your post reminded of that wonderful little scene.

         23. yes. only you will laugh

         24. Well apparently it’s blocked on my computer so I have to look at it on my phone.

         25. that’s odd. I wonder why. It is mostly goofy shit about super heros

         26. Anyways. In any case, it did not start in my country, or the Catholic World.

         27. The current state of France is due to its electoral arithmetic, not because of its people.
             Germany has AFD. Give them a little bit more time to the German people to get rid of the US-enforced holocaust guilt.

         28. They’re still fucked though, is my point. When people get uppity over here, we shoot them. This is why shit only happens in disarmed zones (Boston, disarmed gay nightclubs, big cities with strict gun control, etc). There were a couple of fruit cake Muslims that tried to pull some bullshit in Texas a few months back, and were gunned down by several nearby people before they got even a shot or two off. Same in Georgia. Try that in Germany, or France.
             Culturally there is still a large segment of our society that is by default classical liberal, despite our politicians. Germany, or France though? Y’all are the tiny of tiniest minorities.
             I get that you want to do the America hate, and there’s a lot to hate about our government, but as a culture and society the government and a large segment of the people generally part ways, which I don’t think you realize.

         29. That large segment of the people should have part ways by using second amendment against the government longtime ago. All the current muslim mess has been created by the US government and its chrony machinery, from which Americans have largely benefited during decades. See: weapons of mass destruction. Do you remember that? In Europe, we knew muslims well enough to not to fuck up with them.

         30. What do you think is starting to happen now with the land rancher revolts out west? Telling me what “we should have done” is irrelevant, Americans are by and large slower to anger and more tolerant of errant social trends, because we are set up differently in a cultural sense than Europe.
             Europe spent most of its history fucking with Muslims. They are not coming out saying “Kill America”, they’re rather well trained to “Kill the Crusader!” That didn’t come from us ‘Muricans, hoss.
             Your point is valid that the U.S. needs to stop stirring up these asshats and evacuate the Middle East. I agree 100%. But it’s not as if Europe is the poor little victim. They’ve fucked with Muslims for centuries, and the Muslims remember that well.

         31. Americans never anger, and yes, you are more tolerant: that was what I complained earlier.
             We did not fuck up with the muslims: we were resisting them until kicking them from our land. And no, muslims say “kill America, kill Israel”, not “kill the EU or kill Germany”. North Africa and the middle east were Christian. Have you heard about Constantinople?

         32. I’ll have to disregard their training videos where the dummies are wearing crosses and they’re saying “kill the crusader” then.
             No matter how you slice it dude, you’re way worse off than we are currently (which I sympathize with) and this Leftist shit started in Europe (and Russia). American ain’t helping things, no question, but trying to act like Europe is blameless is rather an exercise in futility. Don’t know what to tell you otherwise.

         33. .

         34. I did?
             Damn. I must be caught in a matrix of quantum history. Which stands to reason, I play quantum football and the ball is always in the air before I pass it.

         35. Germans switching sides is not to be underestimated as theyre to logicall as a nation. Hope is not lost in Europe as least for now.

         36. Which is one positive. Even if the Catholics went kooky post Vatican II.

      2. Not to sound cynical (but I am what I am), a part of me would like to nurture that hope and grow it into a strong and hardy system of deeply entrenched roots. At the same time the ideas of conservatism and progressivism are at odds on the pendulum, swinging to this extreme and that. Crowds go where the trends are and the older the popular idea becomes the greater the likelihood of younger generations to rebel (Now Bias afterall) and I wouldn’t be shocked to learn that a Trump button is now like wearing a Tye-dyed peace sign.
         What I can’t keep from my mind though, is that any long-standing governing effort is like an organic hive-mind, it thinks, and it observes, and it learns what works and what doesn’t. And when the sentinels age out and die, those that come after are easier prey.
         Like a tribe that has been at war for centuries who comes into peace, the warriors who saw the enemy for what it was are long buried, and their sons may be swayed by silver tongues and easy promises.

         1. I know pendulum theory applies now, but it didn’t used to. It’s ideology that’s the problem. I like libertarian/right/classical liberal ideology, but it’s an ideology and thus sniveling little cunt professors at universities can mold young minds into the opposite on your dime over time.
            Yeah, it may be trendy, but what I’ve read says it’s due to more relevant factors. When you grow up experiencing a suck ass economic situation or culture, you tend to form deeper aversions to that, than if somebody preaches at you and you just go along with the crowd.

         2. I think that sums it up, it’s all about who is doing the preaching at any given time and whether one’s views have been individually and personally “battle-tested,” as it were.

         3. I have a theory that much of this educational insanity came about from the simple mission creep of universities. While schools started out as basic public institutions that taught reading, writin, and ‘rithmatic for basically free (I think my father paid $25 a semester), things have changed, and universities have become profit seeking, growth-at-all-costs, indoctrination centers that are more about the welfare of the administrators than the students.
            One can explain the basics of many classical ideas rather easily, whereas there are 592,738 points of view from which one could discuss intersectional lesbian feminism and it can be debated ad nauseam, and even two hardcore leftists will get in fights with each over over small details.
            I say this because in my economics classes, the professor explained we would be learning two theories, classical economics and Keynesian. The classical economics material was finished in the first 3 weeks of class. The rest of the semester was spent on all the ins and outs of the fictional Keynesian stuff.
            Now, part of it is that these people have gravitated towards universities and have like minds there who encourage them to think and preach degeneracy, but I think there is also a component of look how we can become a huge influence. Instead of being a 3 week course that charged a nominal fee, we can now grow into an enormous institution where our customers go into six figure debt to obtain multiple degrees and we even invent new ones that never existed before, and create a self fulfilling prophecy that we are essential to the economy.

      3. Even some of the younger girls in my extended family are becoming this way. Italian survival genes kicking in perhaps.
         This one cousin of mine, certainly less than 20 years old, made a comment at the dinner table that she agreed with my grandfather, who went on a rant large and loud about how the family unit is breaking down and we’ll all end up with nothing. “You have nothing!”
         He is not regarded as that cartoonish grumpy old man but rather as the true backbone and spirit of the family. He endured a lifetime of heartbreak and risk after leaving post-Mussolini Italy and building a life from scratch in Canada. In his old age he still lives independently, plants his backyard garden, makes his own wine, and can still swing a hammer.
         Contrast that to the father of my cousin, who is living in debt at 45 years of age and living with some loud-mouth overweight woman with too much make-up. If it’s true that kids choose to be the opposite of their parents, I’d wager a good chunk of this generation is going to grow up appreciating hardness and independence.

6. OT, but tampon dispensers to be put in mens’ room at Brown Univ (I KNEW it would be Brown before I even clicked on the link)
   http://www.campusreform.org/?ID=8105

   1. what in the absolute fuck?

      1. Scroll thru the other articles, Rod Serling couldnt have dreamed up these scenarios

         1. I can’t. I just fucking can’t.

   2. “not all people who menstruate are women”
      WTF!?!??!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?
      I’m tempted to say this guy is trolling.

      1. yeah, I was just thinking this. I am thinking spoof. If this is meant as a joke it is both timely and funny. If not, I am going to need one of your guys to lend me a gun so I can just kill myself.

         1. This would actually be a pretty fun time to be in college, not because you could safely get laid with 18 year olds, but just because of the huge trolling opportunities. I mean you could say just about anything at this point and be taken seriously and get people to support you. I still laugh at women pledging to “end women’s suffrage” but one could go far, far beyond that.

         2. Not me, I am glad I am out. I will stick to the 21-28 year olds I am banging now.

         3. You think these people understand satire?

         4. What caliber do you prefer?

         5. Ah, sure. There has to be some wise ass college students out there.

         6. AR-15 obviously

         7. My son does a lot of trolling for the Right/libertarian side of the coin actually. It seems like it would be great fun.

         8. If they are going so far as to put tampons in the men’s restrooms, why couldn’t one create a “safe space” for triggered scared men, and then turn that into a cigar smoking gambling club?

         9. Tampons in men’s restrooms…wtf.

         10. Start a Weaklings Club for men(its actually a gym)

      2. It is possible that only GoingSane will appreciate this but
         I’m a moron and this is my wife
         She’s frosting a cake with a paper knife
         All what we got here’s American made
         It’s a little bit cheesy but it’s nicely displayed
         Well, we don’t get excited when it crumbles and breaks
         We just get on the phone and call up some flakes
         They rush on over and wreck it some more
         And we are so dumb, they’re linin’ up at our door
         Well, our toilet went crazy yesterday afternoon
         The plumber he says, “Never flush a tampon”
         This great information cost me half a weeks pay and the toilet blew up later on the next day

7. Let’s see how long it lasts considering how Obama wants to give away control of the internet to international interests. Not every country has protections for freedom of speech, and thus by diluting the US’s ownership to multiple stakeholders it could allow for stricter censorship and surveillance.
   I don’t know enough details really but it caught my attention.
   http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/06/09/obama-administration-backs-plan-to-relinquish-internet-control.html

8. As soon as any US government agency takes any meaningful control over the Internet, you will start to see the US break up. This is because people need to have it now, especially millennials, and without it, they will lose their minds.
   Right now, the only control they have is over the sites like this which are still considered to be hate sites by the mainstream.

9. Without the internet, I imagine things would be far worse than they are now. MSM would have a stranglehold on the agendas being pushed without the dissenting voices having a way to fight back on large platforms.
   That is why it is so important we fight to keep the internet open for all and keep the governments of the world from controlling it. If they do, we are going to up the shit creek without a paddle.

10. Well the author certainly has a more positive perspective on the internet than I do. When I was going to college, way back in the day, the burgeoning internet was predicted to be as disruptive as the 1956 Interstate Highway Act in regards to how it would change patterns of living. I thought this was hyperbole–now it is one of the most understated prophesies ever. The internet is more akin to the printing press, as the author states, but I would take it even further. I believe that digital technologies are the most disruptive since the advent of agriculture itself, and maybe even more so. It is indeed so powerful that only a creation story as encompassing as Genesis will be able to describe what is really happening–a story of how man drowned in his own creation, his Fall from Grace.

11. This is what the elite think modern man should like (ad from a website)

    1. give him a proper briefcase and remove that idiotic had and it conforms to exactly how I dress.

       1. The cap prevent summertime pneumonia

          1. always a danger.

          2. I bet she will miss the first debate due to her plane being caught in a sharknado

          3. All sharknado references get upvoted.

          4. Sharknado is the new kratom- easy upvotes

          5. They can never outlaw Sharknadö! NEVER

       2. The difference is you probably don’t look like a sad sack of shit every morning like this guy does….

          1. Ha! No. But if you give that kid a proper haircut, a nice brief case and get rid of his had he would look like a good young professional. I am a big advocate of young men getting out of their hipster clothes or their casual attitude and wearing suits to work and even jackets during the weekend.
             This fag is carrying a purse and is weaing a knit cap which is just a big sign that says “i need a beating” but othe rthan that he looks like he could be any fresh out of college intern coming through my office. I have seen people on the subways with bags like that and I have such a visceral reaction.

12. Good article. It would seem the opposition understands what you’re saying as well. The huge road blocks thrown up to the recent RoK meet ups seems evidence of that.

13. I like the Internet because I can say weird shit and run away…

    1. NO YOU CAN’T

       1. I can run but I can’t hide…

          1. THATS JUST AN AD HARMONICA

          2. Damn, it’s like a golfers’ convention in here…all caps.

          3. Lolknee just recently discovered the cap lock key. His tenure as a professor would have extended much farther than it did, if he’d only known about it earlier.
             “YOU DON’T GRASP NIETZSCHE! GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY CLASS ROOM!”

          4. You crack me up, GOJ…

14. Article is incomplete without this image.
    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/rn-nM4CxXkQ/maxresdefault.jpg

    1. Good show. That guy really knew how to lay out the righteous indignation…

    2. I am shocked that they haven’t remade this with a woman protagonist who will “equalize” the wage gap and racial and sexist oppression.

       1. “The Equal-lezzer”…

          1. this is so getting made.

          2. At least as a porn movie – it’s just gotta…

          3. according to rule 34 and my general theory of interwebs sentience I think that it was already made the moment the idea was birthed.

          4. What kind of reviews did it get…

          5. equal reviews.

          6. Well I hope it didn’t offend anybody in the LGBT community. That would just be terrible.

          7. It’s the current year, shitlord, how could you forget the Questioning, Queer, Nongender, Agender, Nonbinary, Genderfluids?

          8. I realize my horrendous mistake, and I hope the Federation of Fags doesn’t frown upon me…

          9. Just wait for the Queeremberg trials.

15. If there was no Internet, I would just be sitting in my mom’s basement, staring at the wall…

16. I was driving home yesterday and laughed long and hard as I listened to an actual news story on NPR discussing none other than KRATOM!
    To me, Kratom is a mostly fictional ROK entity, and not a real substance people use, so this was surreal. (Although now I do think I will buy some). But here’s some good news. We ARE using the internet to win. There have already been over 100,000 signatures on a white house petition to reexamine the banning of kratom, which requires our dear leader to at least respond to and personally address this issue.
    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/please-do-not-make-kratom-schedule-i-substance

    1. I think we need to elect an ROK Kratom Commisioner…

       1. The Kratomisioner!

          1. I vote for spicynujac as the Kratomisioner. Anybody with a Steve McQueen avatar just has to be cool enough to carry that mantle…

          2. Accepted and agreed. I will of course need to protect my identity, and will need regional representatives from each distribution area. Meetings will be held in this manner.
             

          3. He needs to be like a 1930’s private detective in a black and white office and an inner monologue.
             She walked in. I could tell this dame was going to be something. She sat down, unasked, and crossed her legs. If she crossed them the other way there would be trouble. “Are you the Kramisioner” she asked? “Kramisioner Johnson,” I replied in turn. “Well, Kramissioner Johnson, ” she said with a doe eyed look that hide her truly vicious, predatory nature, “i have a problem and I need your help. You see, my husband has gone from being a strong and masculine man to being a 90 pound sissy fag and the timing with the Kratom ban is just too coincidental.” Another victim I thought to my self as I tapped my jacket pocket to feel the stash of illicit kratom I pilfered from the seizure room.

          4. “Sit down, No. 2…” (I’d hate to see him stand up and do No. 2.)

          5. Seconded.

          6. Throw in a smokey saxophone playing in the background and I think you have yourself a winner here.

          7. Don’t we need a third…

          8. She looked at me like a hungry nympho with major daddy issues…my cock started tugging at my pant leg like a dog that wanted out. I scanned the room for a proper place to bang her; the desk would do nicely. Oh yeah. Oh fuck yeah. (Queue porn music.)

          9. That’s what I keep asking my wife.

          10. “He’ll be here all week…enjoy your veal, and don’t forget to tip your waiter.”

          11. I wouldnt buy my first hollowed out volcano, its better to rent

          12. he also does bar mitzvahs

    2. A guy on the forum claimed he used the stuff to ween himself off pain pills. So Im sure having this available would cut into big pharma’s profits

    3. Indeed. I was reading how many people rely on the “K” for pain relief and anti-anxiety. I had no idea.

17. A bit offtopic: I just realized Clintons tweets get around 8k likes on average – the ones from Trump get around 30k likes or so..and now take into consideration that Trump would only get 3% of votes here in germany (This is proof enough that germans are on the north korean level of brainwashing) so probably many likes for Clinton are coming from Europe…
    Does she even have any kind of support in the United States???

    1. Yeah. The Mob supports the shit out of her…

    2. If we observe the differences in rally size for each candidate, we can easily conclude that the only support that the Witch is getting is from the few reporters and union thugs that are forced to attend them, whilst Trump has standing room only rallies without exception.

       1. They use Common Cwhore math to calculate Hillary’s showing in the polls. Like the reverse manner in which chicks calculate notch counts…

          1. I still believe my exgf broke up with me because she was a virgin before I met her and she was unable to divide 1 by 3. SO she needed to move on to find at least 2 more cocks so that she could say ‘I had 1 sexual partner :)’

          2. Wow, we have dated some very similar women…

          3. Hilary’s Polls? Where is @disqus_aHyDBkvUW5:disqus

          4. awalt

          5. Her: How long have we been dating now?
             Me: I’m dating your vagina…not you.

          6. “not sure of exact amount of time but it seems we are at the trite and moronic question and answer phase. The bad news is that this is terribly annoying. The good news is that it necessitates anal and comes with a Frogurt”

          7. The Frogurt is also cursed.

          8. You commitment-phobe you. How dare you talk to her that way. I’m gonna round up some white knights and we’re gonna be very supportive of Sunshine, and maybe she’ll let us go to a movie with her or something…or do her grocery-shopping for her. Yeah. We’ll show you.

          9. and a frogurt?

          10. YES! Someone got it!!!!!

          11. porcer, I can’t tell you how happy that made me.

          12. Yes, and a frogurt.

          13. *Huff huff* Sorry, was in a meeting.
              From Anon Conserv:
              “My belief is Hillary will have an episode during the debates. Three ninety minute periods, under hot lights, opposite Trump, with all the lights, and flashing flashbulbs in the audience, and sudden applause, and Trump doing his thing, and the microscope on her. I think it extraordinarily likely she will have something happen. She is not getting better.
              Here is how it will happen. She will be going along, when she will feel a tweak of her amygdala. Immediately she will panic at the thought of it, further exacerbating the amygdala tweak, because now everyone will see her go down on live TV. She’s on stage, with nowhere to go, so she feels trapped. Then she will get angry, and blame someone for her predicament. Now her amygdala is making both anger and fear, the symptom is worse for it, she feels it is coming and she is helpless, and from there it all feeds itself until she pops.”

          14. I’d pay good cash money to see that happen.

          15. If she actually agrees to a debate, which is questionable at this point, I’m buying a six pack and popping some popcorn. It’ll be a grand old time.

       2. I just saw one ad from her 2 weeks ago where only latinos, bimbos and retarded people were seen…that tells the story.

          1. Yeah, she’s only campaigning to the Vibrant Diversity crowd.

          2. The problem is, if she gets elected the diversity crowd will be the vast majority (like 90%) in 2020. But anyway…she’s dead by then.

          3. both the living and the undead?

          4. Hillary has the edge among “Walking Dead” viewers…

          5. Anyone else disturbed by the popularity of that show?

          6. I don’t get that show. No. 1 show on TV. WTF.

          7. Nothing disturbes me anymore. Tbh I think german tv shows are way worse than the american ones. Eventhough german shows aren’t directed by jews.
             Typical storyline of the german show ‘Mitten im Leben’ (‘In the middle of life’) on RTL:
             Gay guy 1 breaks up with gay guy 2 who has a child from an ex girlfriend.
             Gay guy 2 marries his best friend (who is straight) so that he is able to adopt the child (bogus marriage).
             The woman from the child protective service comes around to have a look if everything is okay and if they are ready for adoption.
             The straight guy married to the gay dude fucks the shit out of the woman from the child protective service. He then divorces the gay dude, marries the woman from the service, they get a child together and because the woman is biased now she gives the child to the gay father even though he is not married. End of story. I seriously watched this shit (I am forced to pay for german TV anyways..) and laughed my ass off…if “syrian” “refugees” watch this shit they’ll catch a boat and move over to Kinshasa.

          8. no hulu or netflix or there?

          9. Of course. But I don’t pay for movies/TV/whatsoever if I am not forced.

          10. Yeah, but I think Dinner for One was originally written in german and that was just the best
              

          11. sounds more like a number 2 show

          12. Yeah, and isn’t that just a pisser.

          13. 2020 is only 4 years away, and whites are still 70%-75% of the population. She’d have to literally (Hitler) import China to do what you suggest in only 4 years.

          14. Now I believe the white population is like 30%, with blacks making up about 60%. But I watch ESPN sports news shows, to get my racial demographics.

          15. Well, my family watchs this every year on Silvester.
              But it’s from 1963. Back then the average german male was christian and straight, now they are gay and muslim on average.
              I will now go for a walk with my dick out.
              31°C and sunny – I gotta use this opportunity before this surprising episode of summer is over next week.

          16. I always watch it on new years eve.
              Glad to see people still make a point of watching it at least. This is humor from a better and nobler world

          17. Well in that case, blacks are at least 70%. White females are 20%, and the rest is split by 1% increments among white males and other minorities.

          18. Don’t worry, the white females will be split by the blacks too…..

          19. “I got my mind right, boss…I’m shakin’ it here…”

          20. You are a terrible, awful man.

          21. I woke up this morning with a noose around my neck. Dreamed I was hung like a black man…

          22. Hilary is going to put everyone on a diet
              Why take diet pills when you can enjoy Ayds
              

          23. I watched a couple of seasons on Netflix. The first season was actually pretty cool. Good cinematography, good effects and the cast was written realistically in social dynamics. It was a patriarchy in full form and even mentions it in the first couple of episodes.
              By season two I was done though. They had received a “huge number of complaints” e.g. – ten hipsters with 200 Twitter accounts a piece, screaming about “teh Patriarchy! No vibrant diversiteeeeeee” and they fucked up the dynamics of the show as a result.

          24. So maybe martin luther king isn’t so fucking special afterwards.

          25. Ha. Martin Luther Plagiarist.

          26. Goddamnit. Damn near an entire typewritten page of material wiped away because I forgot to CTRL-A and copy it all before hitting the post button, and a badly times Disqus fuckup.
              Now you get the Cliff Notes edition.
              I don’t know what he’s counting as the “diversity crowd…” (perhaps that includes cucks…) but…
              >whites are still 70%-75% of the population.
              There is a reason the census has included every single hispanic and arab as “white” for the last few decades. Same with crime statistics. If the goy knew the truth they might have still had time to panic.
              “Non-hispanic whites” are a mere 61% of the US population. In addition, the census still includes every middle eastern or indian as “white.”
              While we have no data on race, we can extrapolate based on religious reporting that a good majority of the 6 million Jews (Jews aren’t white), 3.3 million Muslims (many blacks but mostly middle eastern), 2.1 million Hindu… are primarily non-white. Yet all are counted part of that remaining 61%.
              The number of illegal immigrants in this country is widely under-reported to the tune of entire percentage points of the population.
              Whites are already the minority of births in the US (and that still includes padding from all the “non-hispanic whites.”)
              Add in the Dems plan for completely open borders for anyone who’s willing to vote D, it’s entirely possible for the white population of the US to slip below 50% in just four years… assuming it isn’t already.
              With their plans to give voting rights and amnesty to illegal immigrants (as long as they vote D!) and to restore the voting rights to felons (but not their right to own a firearm, because that would be silly goy!) the Dems are positioned to create a mathematically unbreakable voting advantage by the next election.
              When the liberals project that Donald Trump would be our last election, they’re announcing their own plans yet again. Because it would be the last time we can even pretend voting mattered. And that’s before you count all the dead voters and electronic voting that apparently is completely secure and tamper-proof from our corrupt corporate politicians, but are completely wide-open to the Russians. Because Hitler Frogs. So sayeth CNN.

          27. That has been a German tradition to air that program every New Year’s eve.

    3. I get asked “who am I voting for” on occassion and my standard reply is “the better candidate.” Most seem content with that answer and walk off. Heh.

       1. I just straight up lie. Fuck them. No sense risking my job or friendships trying to win over fools who live and die by team blue. But they’re in for a surprise on election day!

          1. You’ll never lose money betting on the stupidity of voters. Had a acquaintance brag about voting for Obama in 2008 and a few years later he was asking me advice how to renounce his citizenship. I couldn’t help but point out “that you voted for these clowns and now your want to run away?” Silence was his best reply.

          2. I always love how the Obama voters claim they didn’t expect what happened. He didn’t have much experience, and he didn’t succeed in delivering on all of his promises, but it’s not like he did the opposite of what he said he was going to do in most instances. Most of the discontent is that Obama didn’t have the political clout to do exactly what he promised – he couldn’t pull out of Iraq immediately, for example. But he did pull out, despite warnings not to rush it, and look what that got us. But mostly, he did, or tried to do everything he promised. More taxes, more regulations, efforts to try to directly kill certain industries (energy), etc… If you voted for him not expecting any of this, you had no business voting.

          3. “If you voted for him not expecting any of this, you had no business voting.”
             Agreed. A relavtive voted for Obama and I asked why. “I voted for Hope and Change!”
             Me: “Change to what? Besides that isn’t an answer, but a political slogan.”

       2. no matter who you say it will never cause the incredulity that I get when I tell people I don’t vote.

          1. Ever since I was a little baby, I always be dribblin’
             In fac’, I was de baddest dribbler in the whole neighborhood
             Then one day, my mama bought me a basketball
             And I loved that basketball
             I took that basketball with me everywhere I went
             That basketball was like a basketball to me
             I even put that basketball underneath my pillow
             Maybe that’s why I can’t sleep at night
             I need help, ladies and gentlemen’s
             I need someone to stand beside me
             I need, I need someone to set a pick for me at the free-throw line of life
             Someone I can pass to
             Someone to hit the open man on the give-and-go
             And not end up in the popcorn machine

          2. I am sure you cast a ballot in NYC. You just don’t know about it.

          3. So be it. Makes no never mind to me

       3. I’d tell them that I’m voting “no” on “yes”.

          1. Just tell them: As a young boy, I dreamed of being a baseball; but tonight I say, we must move forward, not backward; upward, not forward; and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom!

          2. I replied to this, below. Hit the wrong Reply. Story of my life.

          3. I was going to say…dafuq GOJ

          4. I guess I’m just a basketball Jones.

          5. Makes no difference which one of us you vote for, either way your planet is Dooomed!. bahaha. great episode.

          6. What the hell is this, some kind of tube?

    4. Dead people don’t like political tweets in the US; They only vote for them.

18. If Hillary “wins”, it won’t be a conspiracy…it will be a con’s piracy.

19. Btw, the MSM is going crazy:
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matthew-terrell/white-people-should-be-ba_b_10231840.html

    1. Bit of a stretch classifying HuffPo as MSM.
       It’s funny how the commenters are trying to provide cover by asserting the article is satire, but the links provided by the author basically say the same exact thing and are clearly not satire.

       1. the funny part is that yoga is actually a uniquely American invention which falsely appropriates an ancient culture. The united states in the 1960’s is where yoga was born…not “modern yoga” not our “current yoga” but yoga…period. There is simply no Indian tradition behind it.

          1. Really? Wow. Now that is funny.
             I personally didn’t need any more evidence, but maybe this is useful in adding perspective to the raw lunacy of the SJW crowd.

          2. see above. I wrote it all out.

    2. so that people are armed with some knowledge next time some hippie cunt pretends they are participating in an ancient tradition I will put this out there.
       THe birth of Yoga is in 1960. The first mention of the word “yoga” is from an ancient hindu text, the Upanishads and is a word that has to do with how horses are strapped together (it is the root of the English word “yoke” In the uppanishads it is used as a metaphor for prayer. However, there isn’t a set of motions, positions or “asanas” associated with it. It is basically to sit down and calm your thoughts. Mediation in essence.
       The word “yoga” does describe an ancient teaching of Hindu’s but has nothing to do with what yoga is now which is a set of postures combined with breathing techniques.
       Ok, fast forward to the 1800’s when a prince in india named Krishnaraja Wodeyer III produced something kind of resembling yoga. It was a manual called The Sritattvanidhi which listed a series of poses which were lifted from gymnastics manuals.. Essentially, Prince Wodeyer invented gym glass. Then the brits showed up to teach the Indians how to be civilized and they got into all the stretching and shit. Mind you, there is no spirituality connected or breathing. So as of yet we have no “yoga” the way we no it. We have the word yoga which is about tying horses up and is used as a metaphor for prayer (calling this our yoga would be like saying that the movie The Birds represents a Christian religious theme because Christ spoke about birds at one point) and separately we have a series of stretches which were basically gymnastics.
       After this we finally get BKS Iyengar. He is the marketing genius behind mixing the stretching and the breathing and the praying and calling it yoga in America in the 1960’s. He taught it to hippie bitches with some cock and bull story about it being an ancient spiritual thing, probably boned tons of them and fast forward 50 years and we have lululemon
       that, dear friends, is the story of yoga

       1. That was very good. Now tell us the story of vagina, Uncle Kneeman…

          1. oh, I could tell you a hole story

          2. But only if you cave…

          3. even the kneeman once succumb to oneities. It did not go well for him. The girl was a yoga instructor. I learned all this towards the end of our short and tumultuous relationship mostly to be a total dick.

          4. Say it ain’t so.
             So Kneeman did you hear about the new holocaust. This time they are going to get rid of 6 million Joos – and two postmen.

          5. …

          6. I really like that one.

          7. So usually a person responds, “Why two postmen.” Which brings us to the punchline – “See, even now, nobody gives a fuck about the Joos (a Jewish guy told me that joke)”…

          8. hahahaha I love it. I just thought the postmen were random. Well done.

       2. Had to look up lululemon. Never heard of it.
          Glad I did. Was treated to a story about gluten and murder:
          http://www.salon.com/2013/12/31/yoga_spinning_and_a_murder_my_strange_months_at_lululemon/
          Things are coming together nicely this morning and starting to make sense.

          1. nice. I get stuff from lululemon. I like their CEO’s non apologetic fat shaming saying that their clothes are not meant for over weight land whales and they are always staffed with hot, nubile little things—some I have even taken out now and then.
             It is over priced, but it is good quality.

          2. Good pick with the article. It was actually a decent read, amazingly for Salon. Shit, I wonder if the lululemon employees made the “T” sign every time they spoke 😉 The corporate culture sure-as-shit smacked of it. Free soma.. oops I mean yoga classes, will cure those blues!
             I reckon the article demonstrates how many people are just feeling disaffected.. and that as we hunker down in our manosphere, we probably share more similarities than differences with many people we associate with the “other side”.
             It would be interesting to see, nearly 2 years after that article, how well the author is doing in the MSM job she busted her ass obtaining. Meh, I bet she’s been “Landmarked” just like most other journos working for big media.

       3. Yes, it’s funny how all these traditions of “ancient wisdom” are typically very recent, often Western, inventions. Like “Traditional” Chinese medicine.. pushed by Mao because no one except the elite could afford Western style medicine, and because he hated the peasants.
          But the funniest is Wicca, that old tradition of female witchcraft and beloved by teenage feminists everywhere.. actually started by 2 guys in the 20th century. (Probably in the Alastair Crowley school of “spirituality to score poon”.)

       4. Hey. People are gonna believe dumb shit no matter what. If you can make a buck out of it, you might as well make a buck.

    3. Crazy is right.. and Poe’s law in action. I’m assuming that article is somehow satire, but it’s so hard to bloody tell these days. But satire or not, the schizophrenic nature of MSM stories demonstrates two things.. the mainstream media is in panic mode, and half these “journalists” wouldn’t know their asses from a hole in the ground.

20. Other than a handful of manosphere sites, I’d say that toxic feminism is spreading faster on the net unfortunately.

    1. I couldn’t disagree more.
       If you were around commenting on the internet in 2010 you’d notice a huge difference in the comments section. 2010 – Cucks and Feminists ruled. 2016 – Cucks and Feminists are fleeing in horror as comments favorable to us dominate.
       We’re starting to win our first battles in the culture war. We have a long way to go, but we’re nowhere near seeing Feminism succeeding.

    2. but they can’t handle criticism, i.e. comments. It’s the comments that increasingly create the real discourse, and which the elites and progressives are trying to shut down.

       1. Comments on ROK are censored like feminist bitch mods at reddit. Its more purple pill than red pill.

          1. far, far less frequently than at fem sites, although it may depend on the mod

          2. Comments at ROK are censored? I don’t think so.

          3. I’ve posted some “offensive” (at least what would be according to left wing loon bats) comments here and have never had them censored. Maybe if you post your manifesto about how the (((joos))) are just the muscle for the blacks it might get axes but i find the comment section here to be pretty free.

21. To repeat an argument that has been made before any media or journalism format – online news, magazines etc – that doesn’t provide a free comments system – should be avoided and boycotted. I no longer bother with any sites that refuse to let me comment, or where anonymity is discouraged
    With freedom of speech and freedom to comment so much under threat, it would be great if there were net campaigners developing online codes of best practice guaranteeing free speech / anonymity etc that media / web sites would need to sign up to in order to be taken seriously.
    An example of how not to do this, would be the guardian’s comment is free. The site has literally pages and pages of spiel explaining how they love free speech and will do everything they possibly can to make sure they respect it, but as everyone knows it’s one of tthe most militantly partisan and unfairly moderated sites on the web
    There needs to be something like an internet bill of rights or something

    1. Bingo on boycotting media outlets that don’t allow comments. Another tactic they employ is, rather than using a popular commenting system like Disqus or Farcebook, they’ll use an in-house system requiring you to sign up specially. It gives the illusion of them accepting opinions, while in reality, no one but their staunch readers can be bothered.

       1. there are also a few such media outlets that require that you pay them to allow you to comment. That’s actually quite clever insofar as no-one holding contrary opinions would be prepared to pay money to pour scorn on an article

22. The Internet is a total game changer.
    We are approaching a critical mass of ‘red pill” individuals.
    It won’t be long til views expressed here are expressed openly.
    But the meet ups showed us we are fighting a much bigger force. For now it’s a matter of using guerilla tactics, speaking to other men. Dropping subtle truths into conversation.
    One minor criticism. I don’t use the word ‘marxists ‘ when ‘globalist’ is better. I don’t think that these elites want to bring the means of production into public ownership. But I understand that they have used the methods developed in the Soviet Union to subvert western society. Bourgeoisie vs proletariat becomes white vs black, men vs women, cis vs trans etc

    1. The internet, in its currently mostly unregulated form, is a game changer. But, that is going to be altered really quickly once information is centralized and consolidated to just a few social media platforms.
       We all got tricked to put all of our private information on servers owned by private corporations. Now they are going to run the show in the next 1-3 years. Want to send an email from your gmail account about Trump? Too bad marked as spam. Want to post your concern about men using women’s restroom? Too bad your post goes through the “hate filter”. The fix is in. Get ready for it.

       1. Yes. That’s also why I laugh when some backyard militiaman brags about his 80% lower being unregistered and untraceable by the Government. Which he bought online. Then added to a box of rifle parts, which be bought from an online gun store. Then took to the range he pays member dues to with ammunition that he purchased using his credit card.
          Then once he has his new rifle zero’d in, he posts pictures of his groupings on Goybook.

23. This article gives me a little bit of hope. The powers-that-be and their MSM marionettes don’t bother with even the pretense of impartiality anymore, as Hillary “deplorables” speech demonstrated. The unprecedented amount of hate and vitriol the Leftists continually pile on the manosphere, men’s rights, the alt-right, and the Right in general is a good indication of how successful the “wisdom crowds” are becoming.. because as some commenter once said, “You cop the most flak when you’re over the target”.

24. That is why you need to call your senator/contressman. There is a plan by Obama to turn over the control of the internet to international authority at the end of the month. There is resistance in the senate. A few phone call to your US Senator could turn this around.]
    Seriously, look up your senator number and call him. I did this morning.

25. I find that outside various little enclaves, where the masses go on the interweb, parroting the message from government and big corporate mainstream media is what is done. Those who voice anything else are are attacked, ridiculed, and otherwise socially isolated.

26. To be honest when I try to cognise and reconcile leftist value systems in my own mind they often have the effect of making me psychotic. Once you let go of limits and definite forms it’s easy for the mind to just drift, losing sleep and a sense of reality.
    The cure is a rejection of these ideas and a return to normative principles. I’d hate to think of what must be in the minds of the extreme left.

27. Speaking of equalizing, can we see an article about a potential body double during Hillary’s 9/11 debacle?

    1. Just today Alex Jones relayed that Hillary died shortly after the collapse. Her handlers denied it and she was telephoning from Chelsea’s apt and sounded ok. Who’s zoomin who? The lie gets bigger. They’re the ones who are cornered now. Whatever Manchurian program they’re running on Hillary’s animated corpse now proves that the only thing making her stand and speak is evil energy. Maybe she’s trying to repent or maybe her soul left the boat long ago.
       The prayers of countless good souls pray long and hard against the evil but not against Hillary per se. If she is the embodiment of evil, then the prayers knock down what is left of her as well. To hell with her, to put it bluntly. If she has a real pulse at this moment, it’s clear that something is wrong with Hillary. Seriously wrong.
       https://youtu.be/UTWvS7WEHE
       I too wonder if she’s still alive and hasn’t been replaced with a body double or a robot.
       http://patriotretort.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/I-Robot-Hillary.jpg
       If hillary were to croak, they would taxiderm her and put sunglasses on her with glass eyes beneath. She’d move her arms and legs with prosthetic cables, hinge joints and motors with a battery pack concealed within a hollowed out region of her body cavity. Her voice would be digitized, every syllable and projected through slimline flat Koss speakers implanted in her jowels and upper mandible – – a remote controlled puppet literally.
       http://ip.rflaird.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/image84.jpg
       YOU THINK they wouldn’t do that? You think they wouldn’t try to go that far with such a sham? Don’t put it past them. Or better yet, try to imagine if there isn’t anything imaginable that you COULDN’T imagine putting past them. Fifteen years ago, a plane that has yet to be clearly seen in any footage crashed into the most surveilled building in the country, The Pentagon. And they stick to their narrative. I think they were rushed that morning and among the countless branched compartmentalized fubs, someone was reading the NFL prize code inside his Snicker’s wrapper and he forgot to turn on the hologram projector of a 757 as the smaller drone came in. Again don’t discount or doubt anything. No one can say for certain the origin or lineage of Obama and the sex of his ‘wife’ Michelle. But they’re as believable as any crisis actors.
       
       There’s no telling anymore. Our government is completely out of our hands and has been so for decades, maybe even a century. The fed was a sham. The Pearl Harbor stand down with the inoperative radars was a sham.
       But I’ll speculate that Hillary soon won’t be Hillary and her ‘handlers’ will be more of the same schmucks in dark sunglasses. Only they won’t be injecting epipens and teleprompting Hillary. They’ll be remote controlling a robot or commanding a trained double.
       http://fs41.www.ex.ua/show/233527817/233527817.jpg?1600

28. The way you accept media narratives about Marxism is no different than the way a liberal accepts media narratives about feminism.

29. With regards to media sources removing their comment sections: AOL seems to have removed the ability to comment to their BS news reporting. To me, AOL is just as biased as Huff Post in their reporting but at least in the past you could add a comment to show that you disagreed with their point of view on many of their stories. This is an attempt to control the thought process and to eliminate the ability to disagree with their points of view. I will avoid AOL news stories or any other news source that removes the ability to comment on the stories being reported since one is forced to read their propaganda reports without the ability to respond with contradictory opinions.

30. The manosphere did not start “from a group of men figuring out how to game women in a culture that threw masculinity overboard,” but in 1995 with two anti-feminist-MRA websites: Robert Sheaffer’s Domain of the Patriarchy, and my site, The Backlash!

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