Living in Toronto for the past few years, it seems that a lot of people actively hate on the dating market and I often hear a lot of consistent feedback around how challenging it is to pick up, how entitled the women are and how much of an effort it is to get anything going with low quality prospects. Hopefully the points below will help you succeed if you’re a long-term resident or stopping by for a visit.
Success Basics
1. Get respect
When you approach or get the situation going you need to man-up and go right for the girl. Establishing the respect first is key because it allows you to move onto the following steps. This means you don’t buy her a drink first, you shoot down her ego if she’s being loud or obnoxious, and you walk past all her friends in her group just to talk to her.
2. Go for the bang, always
Girls give their numbers out so easily that getting them is basically meaningless at this point. There have been many times where I texted a girl the day after getting her number without her even remembering who I was. Going for the bang ensures you have left a very strong impression in her mind. Plus it’s the 2 steps forward 1 step back rule. If you try to take her home and you have to settle for making out at the club, you’re still better off than just getting her number and walking away. We have had a lot of success with this alone. Even if absolutely nothing happens, you have left a strong enough impression that a date is guaranteed. And once you’ve set up the date the bang is basically a lock because Toronto girls are pretty promiscuous and to them, a date is intimate enough for a bang.
3. Go for the win
If you can’t get the bang and the girl genuinely isn’t interested or is generally being a bitch you need to go for the win. This is just for your piece of mind. You did everything right, but she’s still not interested—fair enough it’s bound to happen. This means providing a value-added social experience, such as maintaining a good conversation where everyone is laughing and having a good time (i.e., you socially come out on top). Or if the girl is acting like a brat, you make fun of her and get her friends to laugh at your jokes at her expense. You get the jist.
This can also help you later on in the night as it establishes your social proof, which can be leveraged against other girls who may be interested in you. There is an even bigger reason to do this that is important to mention. In general, as men, we need to take back this city—calling out girls with poor attitudes helps out everyone in the long-term. If a girl has been scorned for being a bitch, especially by a guy she really liked, then she is far more likely to keep her attitude in check with the next guy she dates. If you’re that next guy, then you benefit from the previous call out. It’s about paying it forward for the other guys in the city.
General Tactics
1. Coming over the top
You need to come over the top hard in every situation. You need to make yourself extremely memorable and get her respect right from the get-go. If you see a girl, you have to approach her immediately, sometimes pushing her friends out-of-the-way. Waiting to get eyes or any indication of attraction is a waste of time. See what you want, and then go get it. If a girl mother hen’s you, you have to literally destroy that person. “Do you ruin your friend’s chances with guys because you’re too ugly to attract a man yourself?” You will obviously get gasps and shocks from her friends. A lot of people buckle here, you just have to come over the top again and explain that they’re acting like immature children. You stop coming over the top when your point has been accepted otherwise cut your losses and walk away.
2. Go Gorilla Monsoon
Like that wrestler from the 80’s you have to literally “gorilla” girls. Telling girls what you’re going to do, what drinks they are going to have, things like that. A particular tactic that works well is directing a girl into a man-made corner, with one hand on a wall and the either on the bar. It gives off a feeling of dominance, while having the side benefit of separating the girl from her potentially cock-blocking friends so you can build some rapport.
3. Constantly call girls out
A lot of girls in the city get away with way too much, like texting back two days later, flaking on plans, and telling you they’re available only so they can change their mind when you offer plans. You need to nip that in the bud right off the bat. If a girl shows up 15 minutes late to a date you need to address it right then and there: “Look you’re 15 minutes late, that’s not cool and an immature thing to do… if you want this to work we need to be on the same page and you need to change your attitude.” This establishes control as well as boundaries and provides a steadying voice in the relationship which women are naturally drawn to.
You’re not trying to be an asshole here per se, you’re looking for someone who can acknowledge they did something wrong and can take responsibility for their actions (someone who has character). A response along the lines of, “You know what, I’m sorry that was lame on my part… first two rounds are on me” is the best case scenario in these situations. And one last thing, as an aside you should be keeping up your end of the bargain by showing up on time, dressing well, and having your shit together. Otherwise, calling her out makes you look like a bitch.
4. “Get bitches in play”
The “bitches in play” principal plays an important role in developing respect. This means talking to some girls you wouldn’t otherwise talk to in order to establish your bar cred/value. This builds respect because girls often want what other girls have. Therefore, talking to attractive girls you may not be interested in actually increases your perceived value to the other girls at the bar you want to approach. And following this, the hotter girls in your vicinity (some of which may have been on the fence about whether they’re into you) will now be more approachable since you have been vetted by other girls.
5. Come in the summer
Come to Toronto between June and September. Toronto is bad in general. Toronto in the winter is even worse.
Logistics
For those of you who plan to visit you should either stay close to the King St. W. strip (i.e. between King and Spadina and King and Bathurst) or near Ossington close to Queen St. These are where most of the bars you want to go to are located. A few subway or street car stops from the bar to your door step is too far for most girls and will likely become a deal breaker. The bar has to be walking distance from your place.
Top 5 Bar Picks
For our purposes (I don’t want to hear stupid comments about what constitutes a “good bar”) there are two types of bars in Toronto that you should go to. First are the bars where “prissed-out-bitches” like to go. These are girls who live in the down-town core (i.e. around queens quay), have corporate jobs, are skinny/fat (do yoga/starve themselves/eat late night poutine or pizza), wear flowy tops/riding boots, have tube limbs (the wrist is the same diameter as the biceps making the arm look like a tube), wear jeggings with flip flops, late 20’s to early 30’s and are usually very hot. In this situation you are sacrificing personality for general hotness. For these types of girls you want to check out…
1. The Undergound
This is the best bar in the city for these types of girls. The music is rock with random sprinkles of hip-hop and sometimes they have a live band (often the band is actually really good so it’s fun regardless of the girl situation).
2. 2Cats
Similar demographic to the underground, but not as good.
The second type of bar is the “sweatbox-danceparty.” This is where you get girls 19-24, university students, slightly edgy, usually have a few tattoos, kind of quirky, can be hipsterish, usually semi-interesting and really good top 40 music. In this situation you are sacrificing talent (fewer hot girls and lower overall average as compared to above) for personality and way more fun.
3. Dance Cave
This is a very young place, but it has the best top 40 in the city, drinks are $3.50 before 11 and there are always hot 20-24 year-olds (not a crazy amount, but they are there) who just want to have an awesome dance party.
4. Bar 244
Bar upstairs, dance floor downstairs, $3 drinks all night, good music and atmosphere.
5. Levack Block
Similar to the two options above. There’s a bar in the front and a sweat box of a dance floor in the back.
Next time you’re passing through send us a note and we’ll help you out / share what we know.
Read More: 4 Common Mistakes That Kill Your Game
Hmmm
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this guys blog is something to follow to when it comes to Toronto
when will we get a breakdown on Vancouver?
http://livinginthedeadcity.weebly.com/
should follow this guys blog for Toronto
when will we get a Vancouver breakdown?
I guess if you live there you may as well take any advice you can, but if you don’t….Toronto? Why bother?
Do I have this right?
If I make out with a girl in a club, I’m “guaranteed” to get a date, and if I get a date the bang is “basically a lock”. . . with a skinny-fat, tube-armed, flip-flop-wearing 30 year old who is “pretty hot” with a lousy personality.
Hmmmmm
no wait, she’s “very hot”
Chasing around after 5’s. A 6 is “really hot”. God, I hate it for those guys. I used to be one.
…lemme make sure I understand this. Not-so-good in the summer, fucking freezing in the winter, and packed to the gills with unbearable feminist canadian cunts? Sounds like the best Toronto trip might be a trip to Miami.
I think this post is pretty much meant as a mini-“Don’t Bang Toronto” guide. If you’re stuck there for whatever reason, do this.
Having lived in almost all major NAmerican cities, I think Toronto had the most beautiful women of all, and the city itself is incredible in terms of quality of life…lowest crime, beautiful neighbourhoods, and I love winter, the great lakes and their beaches, and the incomparably beautiful countryside. But of course, we always have the clowns raised on American tv who judge a place by it’s ‘ghetto action’ and predominance of junk mindset and over the top lowbrow crassness. Yes Miami is where you want to go.
I’m probably the last guy in the market for “ghetto action”, only suggesting Miami as the furthest possible point from what this article describes as pretty much a kick in the balls.
Based on what you’re saying, if I’m looking to move to a well-lit neighborhood, enjoy the seasons, open a modeling agency, take up ice-fishing, and otherwise bore the shit out of myself, Toronto may be the duck’s nuts.
If I just wanna get out for a few nights and get some ass without tolerating a dick-drag on par with an Oprah appearance, sounds like “not-Toronto” might be the better choice.
…now catch me a fuckin’ salmon.
Guys and girls who can’t talk to the other sex write articles bashing their respective cities all the time. Meeting girls in Toronto is easy, as there are so many people in the streets and the bars are quite social. Torontonians are ambitious and intelligent, and often the women are career driven, which means they don’t have time for relationships, though like everyone they still want their sex. The problem is most men are cowards and won’t talk to the women. And many women are socially anxious and give off mixed messages when they see a guy they like.
canadian women specially torontonian are cold by nature! that’s what it makes so hard for men to approach to them!
I live in a high rise fir 20 yrs – never made a date with anybody.
At least half of the pretty girls have no men, but keep huge dogs – they pick poop 4 times a day into a little green plastic bag.
That is civilized Toronto for you.
Exactly. But torontonians in general live in a bubble of self praise. So a woman from Toronto will never realize the difference between women in, say, Montreal and Toronto. Toronto is socialite hell and exclusivity is the name of the game.
LOL i guess his definition of beautiful women is mostly 5s and an occasional 6. Numbers never lie, i ALWAYS look at a women in terms of numbers, keeps things objective.
Beautiful neighborhoods? I guess you can call a concrete jungle beautiful.
Like freezing winters, lots of snow, clouds and no sunshine? How about a vacation to good ol siberia?
Im guessing E type is a woman, or worse a mangina
BS
Toronto is a total garbage when it comes to Dating !! Full of Feminists and snotty cunts . Sorry but its true . And I’m a tall guy with hair . Imagine if you are a short dude ….I met my wife in Niagara ,she is Asian . No regrets so far .
In other news… if you want to find out the best and worst places to get women, one way is to go here:
http://www.dhs.gov/profiles-legal-permanent-residents
…and look at the sex balance of who immigrates from a given country by checking out “Immediate Relatives of U.S. Citizens”. Annoyingly, a few years ago, they stopped showing separate stats for Spouses, Parents, and Children, which screws things up (children are more likely male, elderly female), but it serves well, especially for European countries that really don’t have any chain migration to the U.S.
Most importantly, it shows real-world results as to how well American men do with a country’s women.
Best European countries: 1) Latvia, 2) Russia, 3) Estonia, 4) Belarus, 5) Slovakia, 6) Ukraine, 7) Moldova, 8) Hungary, 9) Poland, and 10) Germany. Nicaragua and Colombia, the best Latin American countries, are slightly below Germany.
Worst European countries: 1) Ireland, 2) United Kingdom, 3) Netherlands, 4) Italy, 5) Denmark, 6) Greece, 7) Norway, 8) France, 9) Belgium, and 10) Portugal. But note that even the least worst, Portugal, has an even balance. Other non-European Western countries that are terrible for American men include New Zealand, Israel, Australia, Uruguay, and Argentina.
…goddamn red-hot intel!
Dude you should do up a short article on this. It would help dudes know what to expect when they start planning a trip. I mean if a guy’s got his heart set on…Australia or whatever, at least he’ll know where he stands and can plan his approach without the initial code-cracking period.
I wouldjust take norway out that list
There is one massive criteria one must have when gaming in Toronto. You must be atleast 5’8 +. If you are say 5’4-5’6, you are screwed. Women in Toronto are extremely superficial. So will flat out reject you based on your height unless your famous( like owning the bar. So short guys don’t really stand a chance in Toronto if they are like 5’5.
You know.. because its so relevant http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/rob-ford-the-worlds-greatest-mayor-might-have-touched-a-butt-last-night
The most important thing is to have low standards, you will not land a hot chicks because there are none
18-25 year olds have attention span of a chicken. just because she made out with you, most likely means she made out with another 10 guys that night. but she will go home and bang her boyfriend, because she is in love. Been in this city for 10 years, and no, we don’t have the most beautiful women. Mostly you see normal dudes with some fat wife.
ugh, no words… a little too much back-washed puke in my mouth… over too many things in this article. Mr Yuck is even smiling ….
Lost all credibility when you said: “Do you ruin your friend’s chances with guys because you’re too ugly to attract a man yourself?” Yeah because insulting her friends is really going to win over her respect. This goes against the most basic fundamentals of good game and shows the writers of this article have pretty much zero social intelligence. And your idea of hot women is skinny/fat chicks with tube arms? Wtf is this shit?
What’s your Facebook name any time I am visiting Toronto from the states I’m hitting u up and we are raging!
You are an idiot . I was born in Toronto . For the most part Toronto women are stuck up and snotty Feminists. That’s why you see them with Gay friends or Gay husbands . Lots of gay husbands . Menginas . Those women are assholes with big egos and fake life’s . The good looking ones, when they hit 30 and they get really desperate and angry .Come down battercake , smile , be nice . Lets talk .Don’t be so fake . No. Ok. By . Sad cases . If you want sluts , if you want to get laid with a whore you go to the suburbs . Go to Oshawa or Pickering . Go east . Lots of white trash women there , lots . Its easy . You have to be attractive ..of course . For marriage or relationship you have to go Asian . Asian women are the most intelligent and hard working wife’s . They looooove a white guy . They crave a white baby . Its a big time statues in the Oriental coulter . I I’m married to a Korean so I know what I’m talking about . Its really sad to see all those young brain washed frat boys on Friday night how hard they try to impress those needy narcissistic women . A lot of skanks too . Its really very ,very hard to please a women . Specially if she an uneducated bimbo and she does not know her limits . That’s why there are so many MGTOW men now . Its growing eh , in other countries too . A lot . I’m the only married ,all my friends are single . They have their trade licence , they drive BMWs ,good blue color union jobs , they travel , go hunting , fishing . Life is good . Why marry they say ? Why spoil everything ? Why pay alimony to some gold digger . Good points . Cheers .
you are one disgusting cuck you are the epitomy of what an anti white should look like
i think your ugly wife is probably your boss now and this is so common with white cucks marrying asian women
IT’S A FUCKING LOCK DOWN
ugh. don’t even get me started on toronto. toronto is a hell-holle filled with dumb and despicable people.
the women are ALLLLL prudes.
Sounds like a lot of work to get a girlfriend in Toronto . If you are not good looking guy is hard anywhere . Just be single and happy . Be a MGTOW . Its grooving eh … Lots men chose to be single .
I am 72 still single.
Not by choice, believe me, And I am not too f…happy at all.
Wasted all my life in this uneducated stink hole.
Don” t waste you time in Toronto fellas . Here is nothing but feminatzie cunts . Snooty goldiging women . I met my wife in Niagara false . If you are ok looking guy , you could get a good girl .
You must have loads of money, and a nice new car to get woman here.
Otherwise girls here will not even piss on your shoes.
Toronto is VERY hit or miss. It’s 50% feminist/entitled/chubby caucasian girls and 50% indian/asian. For someone looking to vacation here, I would highly recommend they don’t. However, with that being said, there are certain places (clubs, patios, whatever the fuck you want) in Toronto that are dominated by subcultures that are either from the city itself for surrounding suburbs.
I’m quite young but I’ve spent a lot of time traveling around continental Europe, going out in bars, clubs, sampling different nationalities of women etc (places like Norway, Netherlands, Switzerland, Russia, Poland, Iceland, Italy, England, Scotland). From what I’ve seen, the italian-canadian subculture predominant in Toronto’s “Vaughn” region is quite similar to eastern Europe in terms of women’s mentalities (NOT EQUAL LOOKS, but not super far off). I’m not sure why this is (Italian fascist spill over) but women (especially the hottest ones) tend to value their virignity and couldn’t give a fuck less about feminism.
This analysis isn’t all encompassing, but what I’m trying to say is if you live in Toronto (under 25) and are sick of the women (as you rightfully should be) your best bet is italian canadian girls which are often found in Vaughn(905) hangouts in Toronto.
You mean woodbridge kids? Lmaooooo don’t even bother. The most sheltered class of citizens in the province.
Pretty women with big boobs rule the world.
If they reject you, better move to New Zealand.