Last week I wrote a tongue-in-cheek article about converting feminists to femininity. In the article, I mentioned that radical feminist Andrea Dworkin equated all heterosexual sex, even consensual sex, with rape. A few female commenters objected that they reject Dworkin’s extreme ideas. Rather, they claim to follow a moderate feminism that they think empowers women. But is it really empowering?
What is moderate feminism?
Andrea Dworkin
Radical feminism is easy to critique because it has a number of academics and theorists, such as Dworkin, Germaine Greer, and Mary Daly, who have produced a large body of writings detailing their ideas. Radical feminists are part of a vanguard. They’ve worked out their ideas to their logical conclusions, but it will take decades until those ideas can percolate down through the masses of society.
Moderate feminism is more difficult to pin down because there is no defined body of writings to consult. Perhaps the best way to define it is that it is a watered-down feminism that is palatable to more conventional women. Apart from the blue and red haired harpies you see at protests, most modern women would fall under the moderate feminist category.
Unlike radical feminism, which wanted to minimize the role of men, moderate feminism champions equality with men in all areas. They encourage women to imitate men. If men are promiscuous, women should be as well. If men are dedicated to their careers, women should be dedicated to career as well. If men play sports, women should play those same sports.
Although we have recently seen a rash of rape hysteria and attempts to redefine rape, moderate feminists claim that they are not against having sex with men as long as it is consensual.
Moderate feminism also tends to favor progressive policies. Feminists support governmental enforcement of equal pay for equal work, increased penalties for crimes against women, same-sex marriage and other LGBTQ issues, free birth control, subsidized daycare, and easy access to abortion.
To most modern women, the agenda of moderate feminism appears to be utterly reasonable and obviously correct. They regard anyone who is against this agenda as an uneducated, uncultured troglodyte who should be driven from polite society.
A wonderful career
Sheryl Sandberg
But moderate feminism is not as beneficial to women as they are led to believe. Young women are taught that the proper role for an empowered woman is to climb the career ladder. Being a stay at home mom is discouraged as being boring and a waste of a woman’s talent.
One of the heroes of moderate feminism is Facebook executive and author of Lean In: Women, Work, and the Will to Lead, Sheryl Sandberg. Sandberg has led a charmed life. She was born into a wealthy Jewish family and attended Harvard, where she met Larry Summers who served as her mentor and thesis advisor.
Through Summers she was able to get jobs working at the World Bank and the Treasury Department. She later worked for Google before meeting Mark Zuckerberg at a Christmas party, which led to her being hired at Facebook.
In Lean In, Sandberg talks about her belief that women are underrepresented in corporate leadership in companies and suggests simple solutions to help women reach “their full potential” in their careers.
Leaning in can lead to desperation
It all sounds wonderful, but the reality is that if you haven’t attended an Ivy League school, and if you don’t happen to have the future president of Harvard as your mentor, you are probably not going to get hired by the hot new startup of the future no matter how hard you “lean in.” Instead, you are going to get an entry-level position, slog away for years, and if you are lucky, you will rise to a middle management position.
That might be okay if you are a man, but it is dangerous for a woman. Men find women in their early twenties to be the most attractive—that is the point when women have their peak sexual market value. It is at this age when a young woman can attract the best spouse.
However, if a young woman follows the advice to dedicate her best years to a company she might find herself scrambling to find a husband when she is in her early thirties. At this point, she might find that her “gene pool” of men is significantly smaller and of lower quality than it was when she was 22 years old.
Leaning in means smaller families
It turns out that a woman in her twenties is not just at her most appealing; she is also at the peak of her fertility. After age 30 a woman’s fertility begins to crater. While corporations enjoy the cheap labor that young women provide, a woman is exchanging her fertility for the opportunity to work in a cube.
Leaning in means your children will be raised by an institution
If women follow the feminist script, they will continue to sacrifice their lives at the corporate altar even after they have had children. That means a daycare institution will raise the children.
Feminists have long been dismissive of the idea that children need someone like a mother or a grandmother as part of their development. On the contrary, feminists argue that daycare is better than maternal care. Feminist Kate Millett wrote:
The care of the young is infinitely better left to trained professionals rather than to harried amateurs with little time nor taste for the education of young minds.
However, Brian C. Robertson, in his book Forced Labor, writes that even daycare owners have noted that:
The effects of day-long daycare on young children were often traumatic. Preschoolers who seemed to be doing well in the morning-only nursery school began lashing out, withdrawing, and crying for hours on end. Some children even lost abilities that they had acquired.
Now I understand that some mothers work out of economic necessity. In those situations, women are often acting heroically in providing for their families in the best way that they can.
But there are also professional women who deliberately choose their career over raising their children in response to the feminist notion that a career is empowering and that motherhood is demeaning. Unfortunately, in this case it is the children who are the losers.
Feminism encourages young women to be promiscuous
The equality preached by moderate feminism also extends to the sexual sphere. Through the schools, media, and popular magazines young women are indoctrinated into believing that riding the cock carousel is somehow empowering.
But the rise of easy sex has been a disaster for women. It has given rise to the Pick Up Artists (PUA), men who learn game in order to get into a woman’s pants as quickly as possible. Feminists decry PUAs as being evil, but it is just men who are behaving rationally to the fact that so many young women now lack even a shred of self-respect.
It has also given rise to a lot of really bad sex. In the very first episode of the vile HBO series Girls, the main character Hannah is about to have sex with her boyfriend “doggy style.” Instead, her boyfriend chooses to have anal sex. When Hannah tries to protest that she does not want to have anal sex, the boyfriend says, “Hey, let’s play the quiet game,” and continues thrusting.
The star of Girls.
You may argue that Girls is fictional, but the fact that this show resonates so strongly with young women is telling.
I’ve also read articles written by women bemoaning men who want to record all of their sexual escapades and men who are unable to reach an orgasm with old-fashioned vaginal sex. I am sure that you could find a “sex therapist” who would say all of these things are perfectly normal, but the women who wrote these articles didn’t sound happy and fulfilled by their feminism.
Conclusion
Moderate feminism passes itself off as a very positive thing. It doesn’t denigrate men, so the story goes, it just makes women more powerful. While it sounds good on paper, its effects in the real world are overwhelmingly negative on both the lives of women and men.
Unfortunately, moderate feminism is here to stay—at least for a little while longer.
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feminism is discrimination, ‘moderate’ or not. It’s like racism, only instead of skin colour it’s a penis between your legs. You are judged negatively simply because you are a man. Ironic, since feminists continuously bitch and moan about how women ‘aren’t treated equally’ and how ‘it’s harder for women’ all that bullshit. If anything it’s EASIER for women. A fat man stands little chance to get married or even have sex, but how many obese women you see who found the schmuck who settled with them? I personally have witnessed fat women who were ridiculously conceited and arrogant. In fact, I experienced more negative situations with fat females (completely unprovoked; I was not being rude or disrespectful in the least, but they were being just that, and of course I would not have sex with them in a million years) than I had negative situations with very attractive girls. I still can’t believe it. It’s a truly bizarre world.
Feminism fails because it treats two genders who are psychologically and physically different and designed for different roles the same. If you dare say that men are different or superior in any way then you are regarded as a mysoginist or uneducated troglodyte despite scientific evidence that proves the genders are different. I don’t mind eqaul pay for eqaul work or things like that but this constant need to promote females as eqaul or superior in every aspect of life has gotten ridiculous.
“If you dare say that men are different or superior in any way then you are regarded as a mysoginist… ”
Feel free to say that women are superior however. And then bask in the showering of applause.
That’s correct, here in Australia it’s basically undisputed gospel that women are superior in every way.
Which is rubbish. Thr cochlear implant inventor? A man. The vaccine for hpv relatednto cervical cancer, created by a man. Fred hollows! We have these brilliant examples to show and yet women here believe they are inherently better. My husband was quite appalled at me the other day when I broke it to our 5.5yo daughter that yes, men are bigger, faster and stronger than women. But its the truth. I can’t go so far as to say more intelligent, as I think women can be as intelligent if we learn to hit pause on the emotional/illogical side. One of the reasons i do prefer conversing with men, or rather listening to them, rather than women. Though when I am feeling raw and emotional, I wont unload on any male, I’ll ring my sister or mum! The men in my life (dad, husband, brother etc) dont need that kind of inward drama.
I agree with everything you said but try saying that as a man and see what happens.
I know. Im sorry it happens though.
Your posts are refreshing. You remind me of my mom, God rest her soul. We were raised with clear understanding of what men and women should be, that it’s not a matter of equal or better but different and complimentary. Feminism here in the States was already toxic in the ’70s, deeply rooted in envy, and Mom would have none of it. A stronger woman I’ve never met.
Excellent post!
the thing that’s always gotten me about “equal pay for equal work” is that “equal pay” isn’t a thing in a capitalist society. i once found out after leaving a job that i’d been making almost 10k a year less than my coworkers. my reaction was “i guess i need to learn to negotiate salaries better” not “i’m being oppressed and need the democrats to fix it.”
“need the democrats to fix it.” That made me laugh way harder than it should have.
Feminist: “Equal pay for equal work.”
Man: “Equal work for equal pay.”
Feminist:……(pause)……….”HE’S RAPING ME!!!”
Logic used + Feelings Hurt = Rape.
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Way to be a winner…instead of whiner…like most people.
Agree. I don’t blame “Bob” up the road if I was a shitty negotiator. I learned from it and I moved on.
That’s what feminism represents, today. It’s the complaining about things that women don’t believe is fair in life (fuck equality; it’s always about women getting the upper hand).
Let’s face it “Barbara” you were a shitty negotiator…it had nothing to do with you being a woman. If you accepted the pay rate then it’s your fault for accepting that low pay rate.
It’s called personal responsibility. Women need to learn it.
Except, the gender pay gap isn’t real, it’s just a misrepresentation of the statistics. Almost the entire pay gap can be accounted for by adjusting for choices that women make. For example, women are far more likely to avoid high paying STEM majors. Women also work fewer hours on average than men do, travel less, avoid high stress jobs, and dangerous jobs. Women also take more time off for maternity leave. All of this helps account for why men make more, on average, than women.
Now even after accounting for those things there’s still something like a 7 or 9% gap. However, it may just be something else. It could come down to negotiating skills, that men have naturally greater ambition and confidence to pursue more money, that there are more high IQ men than women, etc.
You’ll NEVER hear the MSM talk about this stuff, because speaking the truth aloud will instantly create a Leftist shitstorm, and it doesn’t fit the post-modern diversity-is-great-hold-hands-and-sing-kumbaya-everyone-is-equal narrative. RedPill websites are the last oasis of truth in the desert of propaganda that’s the West.
That applies to many of the Americans who claim they couldn’t get into college b/c of Affirmative Action or say their job was stolen by an immigrant. They should try working harder instead of blaming someone else for their problems all the time.
Feminism was never about equality between the two genders. If anything, it is about female supremacy and empowerment, at the expense of depriving men of their civil liberties and rights. Right now, I have never seen the amount of injustice and oppression that is being carried out against men and boys on a regular basis, due to unfair results that are delivered by this hideous ideology.
For instance, we will always hear about these stories of men who are falsely
accused of rape and sexual harassment, in the workplace or in colleges, where
their lives are destroyed due to these false claims being made, which in turn, are supported and reinforced by feminism. Or take a look at the number of men, who are declined for job positions and college places, due to the corruption of human resources departments, which intentionally, discriminate against male applicants and give preferential treatment towards women, irrespective of aptitude and meritocracy.
Feminism is indeed, a radical bigoted movement which has made it even more
difficult for not only men to progress in society, but also for women themselves. There is a reason why women are now finding it more difficult to find any good men in their lives. Simply put, they have chased them away. More and more men, are now boycotting marriage, refusing to have children, not even wanting to communicate with women in the workplace or socialise with them. Why? Well everything can go back to feminism.
As I have mentioned many times before, feminism was never an ideology that
promoted the concepts of responsibility and accountability. It was always about
influencing special privileges and entitlements. In fact, if you take the time to look around, what you will find is that the vast majority of women, who support feminism, are teenagers, unemployed women and women who are generally unattractive- all of whom, can make the effort of improving their own lives without asking for government to step in and intervene in their lives at every step of the way.
Feminism indeed, parallels a spoilt, childish and delusional paradigm, which
can only, result in this belief system, to backlash on itself when the flaws are highlighted by intellectual individuals. Women are now afforded more opportunites then any lifetime before. So instead of making claims of oppression against men, women (but in particular) feminists, should be grateful towards men for providing society and civilizations with great inventions, rather than concoct and perpetuate a war against men.
A philosopher once said: “There is no greater injustice than to treat equally that which is not equal.”
Meaning that anything less than patriarchal male dominance across society should be considered an injustice.
Sounds like something Aristotle would say.
I have this word-play joke about feminism: It’s an ideology that wants to eat a baby and have it too.
It’s not something held by rational minds out for justice and equality. It’s a little girl ideology of privileged white western women who grew up crying wolf and for white knights and getting waited on hand and foot. One of the things they cry about is that white knights are not treating them as equals and don’t respect their ability to take care of themselves. So they cry for white knights to rescue them from being perceived as victims.
It’s not only selfish but irrational and only someone who has been supremely protected from reality could live in such a universe.
> due to the corruption of human resources departments
My two oldest sons have just started working full-time after college and they have informed me there is nothing in this world more toxic and dysfunctional than an HR Department run by women and that the phenomenon seems universal across the corporate landscape.
“and that the phenomenon seems universal across the corporate landscape”
It is.
If the the corporate world was like the military in that it gave out medals for times of duress and exceptional heroism, i’d have the medal of honor on my chest right now from all the bs I’ve had to deal with from Gal-qaeda.
‘We can do it.’ IF they use state force, coercion and bullying to subsidize their efforts.
Equality for the SJW and Marxist is all about envy, and destroying those who won’t comply through the state. All the while pretending there is no force, and that they are not responsible.
That is beyond reprehensible. IT is the basis of socialism everywhere. While pretending not to be.
The concept of “meritocracy” is starting to float around the feminist sphere now. I don’t think they truly understand it as it promotes competition and defining clear hierarchies among employees.
It would mean an end to affirmative action quotas and even equal pay for equal work (because there is in fact no such thing, no one puts in exactly the same amount of time and effort and gets the same results as someone else 100% of the time).
In a meritocracy an employer simply wants the most qualified, capable person for the job. Hiring, pay-scale, and promotions are entirely based on your subjective value to your employer and any negotiation you might succeed in.
The funny thing is, that feminism is convincing women that they would all consistently be in that top 10% every time.
As a man, I’m under no such delusion as I know I wouldn’t be in the top candidates in a variety of fields, but listen to someone like Carly Fiorina, she honestly thinks she would and should be, despite running a relatively successful business into the ground.
Why would any company settle for someone who mainly ever qualified because the standards were lowered to allow entry, the way they’ve been forced to in recent decades, when they can have an expert who excels far above the expected requirements?
Feminism, and the direct consequences, is more like:
“We can d’oh it!”
They’ve been telling themselves they’re great for so long that they’re actually starting to fully believe it. Perhaps we can turn this around on them…
If you ladies are convinced you’re so awesome at everything, let’s get rid of affirmative action laws. I mean…there’s obviously no need for them, right? …Right??
It’s still fail safe for them, even if they don’t get the job under a meritocracy type system they can still claim decrimination. I know that meritocracy sounds like a logical way feminists will get put back in their place but crying discrimination doesn’t follow logic.
That’s when you throw out some Business 101 on them. In the end, businesses do not give a shit about who they hire. They care about who can make them the most money. Done deal.
They’ll keep crying about discrimination, but it’ll ring hollow and you just have to keep driving that point home until they wear themselves out.
They’re delusion people, plain and simple.
They go to college for 4 years and get a philosophy or gender studies degree and then start complaining about how there aren’t any women in STEM fields or in CEO positions. Well no shit because you are getting useless degrees and then complaining about not getting a job in fields that require years of study and specialized training.
As far as Meritocracy is concerned, I like to play a fun little game with girls/feminists who like to spew this whole “anything you can do I can do better” nonsense. Just say that women cops and firefighters should be paid less then men and let that comment stew in their head for a few moments. You’ll start to see the confused and angered look on their face and then they will attack with frothing mouths and scathing words.
Then with the most calm and composed demeanor simply point out that women get those jobs as the direct result of lower standards, so if they really want equal pay, they must meet the same requirements as men.
Oh, the satisfaction in watching them scramble for a rationalization for why lower standards are necessary. So much fun.
Is that possibly because the moderate ones do want to do a job and not be told it was affirmative action that got them there? It certainly has the benefit of removing the delusional or dark ones from unrealistic positions and will make working life better for anyone who still cares to do their best without unnecessary bs.
Id like to think the new moderates is a sign that this philosophy is working.
“The concept of “meritocracy” is starting to float around the feminist sphere now.”
Meritocracy is kryptonite to feminism. Women have agency in shaming groups, backed by government sponsorship.
The picture with the babies cot prison cells is quite telling.
I’ve always equated “moderate feminism” with women who might not dye their hair blue, let their armpit hair grow out or walk around with no sanitary products, but who rather agree with all of the ideas of the former. This applies to many women who describe themselves as “conservative.”
They might not burn the bra, but they do buy into the wage gap distortion.
They might not try to throw shit at men, but they do buy into the idea that “girls run the world,” etc.
Yeah it’s basically this.
Women that want all the benefits of men but will sell out at the first bump in the road.
Women will ALWAYS sell you at the first bump in the road. No exceptions.
I’m glad the men are here to pick us up. Without you all we wouldn’t know what to do with our pretty little heads, and we’d never be able to regulate our wanton carnal desires without your lessons of chastity. I am truly humbled by the men in my life that taught me my place, and I’m glad you all are hear to tell those damned feminists what for. /s (How the hell did I end up here? You guys are nuts.)
I have not idea what you’re trying to say here.
Wow! You have just reduced 3.5 billion humans to a single sound byte. What a super-simplistic, super-naive view of the world.
plenty of employment opportunities out there in hauling trash, mining coal and other ‘mike rowe approved’ jobs for these women to apply for! they can do it after all!
oh wait, they’re only nagging for equality in all the air-conditioned, in-door, cushy jobs.
Actually air conditioning is a sexist patriarchal control device created to disenfranchise women in the workplace you uneducated swine.
what the actual fuck?
and I’m not going to take the time to list all her masculine traits… We’re sinking deeper and deeper in this pool of degeneracy; how long will this continue? Considering the amount of bullshit these kind of people spread every day, I think we’ll reach the bottom quite fast.
This is what blows your mind- how hard is it to put on a light sweater? If its too hot at the office, I cant take off my shirt and tie and walk around in a wife beater- so, as usual, men have to suffer??
“so, as usual, men have to suffer??”
Of course. What the fuck are you thinking?
I know, Im an idiot.
“Intelligent and valuable wonder woman whines about air conditioning, is invited on TV”
That’s western media in a nutshell.
Jesus Christ, Indian women are so goddamn skullfucked it’s unbelievable. I can go the rest of my days without interacting with one (besides when I go to an Indian restaurant) and it would be no loss!
I never thought about it before, but it does seem to be that way. I wonder if they are like this in India or only when they move to the west.
Do a search there was an entire ROK article on this a while back.
EDIT: http://www.returnofkings.com/51395/5-reasons-why-you-should-not-date-indian-girls
plus ugly as fuck
I was looking for this article after the comment by Badidum’s and the other recent article on ROK about the disgusting animal who bled all over herself in the London Marathon.
Matt Forney was spot on in regards to Western raised Indian women and their penchant for feminism.
Also. they might be the most narcissistic demographic of feminists as far as attention whoring is concerned.
“I can go the rest of my days without interacting with one (besides when I go to an Indian restaurant) and it would be no loss!”
“I’ll take more Naan bread” should be the extent of the conversation.
I normally avoid the snarky retort “First world problems”, but to sit there any complain about A/C?!?! Can we legitimately tell this bitch to go check her privilege? How would feminists react if we used their own phrase against them?
this sounds like a fun parody of feminism.
If not, then plz deport this bitch back to Saudi Arabia.
There they’ll cut off her clit if she screams patriarchy
Generally women want it warmer. Add in the circulation problems of all the fat women (80% of them) and offices will get heated up to tropical jungle levels. Men suffer. I’ve experienced this. Men cannot strip down to a loincloth though. The fact that the office could be cooler and women could add a light layer will NEVER cross their minds. That would be seeing things from a man’s perspective and having consideration. NEVER HAPPENING.
This bitch is worried about the AC in her office? How about she gets out in the field and work in a coal mine, maybe paint houses for a summer or work on an oil rig? Those are real health issues (along with possible death).
Yes, women are oppressed because of the AC. You can’t make this shit up.
Put your money into nut houses, men. I’m going to start building a few (like jails) and see if I can make a few million soon by locking these stupid (crazy) women away.
You won’t be locking up the nut job women. They are the ones running the asylum. The best you can hope for is to use them as refuges for the sane.
I agree…unless there is some major change that occurs (a depression, a civil war, etc…). At that point, then you may see a shift in power.
Are you joking?
The workplace standards for attire need to be considered. Women are allowed in most cases a lot more flexibility with their choice of work clothes. Often wearing less clothes, dare I say skimpy (and all the expectations for the ‘wrong’ men to ignore and obey, but the alpha to respond etc..bs). While men, we typically are wearing suits, ties in the office. No skirts, not much clothing that provides open airation, definitely not wearing ‘revealing’ or ‘skimpy’ outfits. Maybe it is hotter for men in that context than women… in other words… put some clothes on ladies. The workplace isn’t supposed to be a catwalk.
“Now I understand that some mothers work out of economic necessity. In those situations, women are often acting heroically in providing for their families in the best way that they can.”
Unless the father met an untimely end (which is hardly ever the case), this is usually the direct result of the point in your next paragraph about promoting female promiscuity. Encouraging women to be sluts and having bastard children because their new sugar daddy, the state, will take care of everything.
The next time you hear a feminists bemoaning the PUA culture, kindly remind them that PUA’s are to modern women as Frankenstein’s Monster is to Victor Frankenstein.
Note that working out of economic necessity is the case for most men. Plenty of men work in coal mines at lousy work and even not that great pay to support their families. They lead hard lives. But they are no means “equal” in the sense of feminists who want white collar professional jobs.
One doesn’t need ‘equality’ to be a decent parent. Men (and most women for that matter) have lived with that reality for all of known time. Only feminists argue that “equality” means a perfect life without risk.
why remind them?….just LAUGH at them hysterically
feminists need to be mocked.
they cannot process logical reasoning.
I think it is more like two stubborn forces fighting each other. Like theists and antitheists, and any other pair of warring attitudes. One cant exist without the other. Each side grows stronger because the other does.
I know I come off as an ageing pussy in these attempts to calm life down a bit but I get bored of the fighting.Treat the decent ones decently, and ignore the rest.
I see where you’re coming from but we are past the point of just ignoring a few annoying trouble makers. These people have infected our culture at every level, and now have created an environment where even the slightest opposition is met with rabid harassment and violence. These assholes who claim to be the champions of a new progressive Utopia implement some of the most Totalitarian and Fascist methods to silence any opposition to there ideals
Look at Roosh, the way these animals hounded him down, you would think he was some kind of Nazi war criminal. Nope just a guy would made the mistake of committing thought crime and having the audacity to point out the hypocrisy in Feminist/Leftist/Social Marxist logic. Two meetings which equated to happy hour get togethers between 60 men each, was given more media attention in Canada than ISIS.
Nope, the time for ignoring these assholes has passed, it’s now the time to start looking them in the face and telling them to fuck off. Start standing up to them because they are miserable, sniveling cowards who derive happiness by passing off their misery onto others.
They have accomplished nothing because they were taught they were special snowflakes and when the world didn’t hand them the cushy life they thought they were entitled too, they turned that bitterness towards the people who actually made something of themselves.
Sorry but I refuse to “just ignore them” because their ideology is single handily eroding Western culture into the cesspool it is today.
I did not say there were just annannoying troublemakers. My point was more about the methods of dealing with the problem.
Escalating things will only prove their point. It is a chicken egg situation as far as who started it because retalliations occur against innocent people, who the feel victimised and join a gang to fight against their aggressors. This is what happens here just as much as what they do.
Roosh put himself in the limelight, there will always be people who disagree with what he does, but the more fuss they make the more fans he gets, the more books he sells. The deal is that he has to up his game now that his face is known. I dont aggree that the correct response is to make a bigger drama.
As for your own game, when dealing with individuals, when you meet someone who has different principles, you just tell them they are not your type of woman and you move on, unless you stick around for an individual battle of wits, which is of course your choice and your right.
Edit: Turns out the real issue is this…
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/
I have long suspected the thing we are dealing with is not just one group. There is extra anger when it comes to sex but the root of it is childish drama all round.
Thank You for linking that article. It was very eye opening. : )
“but I get bored of the fighting. Treat the decent ones decently, and ignore the rest.”
Probably the best thing to do, given most people hold the mentality of the feminists or the alpha red-pill morons that constitute the followers of this Hellhole. The rare people in life who can sit in the middle of the raging morons and take what few good points they might offer are the ones to be treasured in life.
Good article! Feminism might be easily the best way instigated to negate the biological trade; resources for sex and children. Men are training women, who by and large aren’t good at generating a long term resource stream, shipping jobs away from men who are resource generators, and by adding women into the work force, we some how shamed away the manufacturing circuit to create soft work, which is great for women. End of the day, the beauty and horror is any decision made by a woman is absolved as fair game. Bankrupting a company, destroying marriages, creating no children, killing children, can all be absolved. We can’t expect any woman to take onus and do something to help society long term.
Actually, come to think of it, there is one way to end feminism immediately and get couples marrying. Force women to work for and only with women. They’ll keep feminism alive by swimming or sinking with it, they won’t have access to inter-office carousel shopping forcing them to use their time wiser, constant shaming access, real world failings for not sticking to principles as no one will coddle a woman amongst women for attacking patriarchy while not helping them. Only when we force women to buy into this amongst themselves will feminism end.
Moderate or radical, what difference does it make. If moderate feminism was ensuring that women have equally under law and the government I would be a moderate feminist. But, seeking full equality to men, as mentioned above, that’s radical to me because for starters there is no equality; not between men and women. Hell, no one man is equal to another. Moreover, having license to fuck with our culture and traditions is radical no matter how you slice it. And, I like how the article summarized how women are seeking out this “equality” because it really shows you the shallow pettiness of what we’re dealing with here. Men are promiscuous so women should be promiscuous, men have careers so should women, men play sports so should women. With all this new found freedom all women seem to be doing, obsessed about, is imitating men? And that’s just pathetic.
Women can now be heard, quite often, saying “Suck my Cock”. I mean that as literally and visceral as possible.
Sure, if you really think about it anyone that has vocal cords can. But is this a “right”? Is this what passes for a “right” in 2015? I object to feminism for a variety of reasons and this is a big one. They speak of “rights” but what they really want is shit like being perceived as a bad ass or to talk crudely…stupid shit like that. If they were saying things like don’t forcibly mutilate my clitoris or cover me in clothes etc…as in if real human rights were being denied, I can see the validity and I support such a cause. But, saying its a “war on women” because 1/2 the jobs (pardon prestigious, status, well paid jobs that is) aren’t women and that’s bad or I want to fuck anything that moves without judgement or dress however provocative or silly etc etc. These are not noble things and certainly not rights. So, “suck my dick” is the shinning achievement of feminism? No feminism suck my dick.
The most unintentionally hilarious line from G.I. Jane!
As soon as Dumi said it, I was like wtf?
Women have already been equal under the law for a long time. Feminism today is toxic femininity disguised as ideology.
Exactly, what more do you need? So, really what we have is pro-rights for women, which take rights away from others, in this case men. That’s the essence of identity politics, forming political unions around a identity trait be it sex, sexual orientation, skin pigmentation etc. And the net results is asking for privileges be it jobs or handouts from the state i.e. free contraception or sex changes. That’s why feminism is inherently the very thing it says its against – its sexist. It seeks to uplift just women, which comes at the expense of hurting men.
Feminism has always been about goodies for women. “Equality” is only used when it suits them. Feminists suffragettes on the Titanic (yes, there were some) insisted on the preference to get on lifeboats and argued that men were less important than women. They’ve always been supremacist, man-hating, goodie grabbers.
There should be equality in opportunity and never equality in outcome. This is where feminism has it backwards..
Regarding daycare, there’s still a case to be made that it can be better than a lot of these ‘modern’ women being full time parents. Just because she’s sitting at home doesn’t mean she’s engaged with the child; try recording your SAHM sometime, see how many hours she spends staring at her phone while the kid watches TV.
Don’t procreate with that type of person! It’s as simple as that. Wrap it up. That’s a selfish person who would rather watch her phone than engage with others, especially her child.
An excellent and important article. Inasmuch as the only equality possible among human beings is equality before the law, any ideology that promotes any other kind of equality is pernicious and ultimately destructive. But saying so in public can get you lynched.
Free speech; it’ll cost you.
They will replace that “swear jar” on the teacher’s desk with a “hate speech jar”.
They will also put you in a “Free Speech Zone”.
In the corner, with the “Bad Think” cap.
I think you should delete this post, I should delete mine.
Stop giving them ideas…
This idea came out during the G W Bush administration. Its too late.
You’re right. Planned Parenthood successfully lobbied the government to enforce “free speech bubbles”
WTF?
With recent events, especially pertaining to Roosh:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CTvjwt1bvY
The irony…
EDIT: Also, we’re waking up to Disney recently, but what about Degrassi? It’s been indoctrination since inception.
I’ve never seen this rendition. Beautiful.
Damn right. Equality before the law is not ideological equality, it is simply a requirement for fairness.
Any other form of equality is appeal to ignorance and wishful thinking .
Offer a better alternative.
Equality before the law is also an impossible myth.
Sheryl Sandberg is a stupid cunt.
And not a very good COO either.
Agreed, sir.
Explain to me how a feminist believes riding the cock carousel is empowering and yet she will marry a beta and deny him sex in the marriage. She has acknowledged that sex is something great and yet she will condemn a man to a sexless marriage. How do they believe such a one-sided deal is not evil? The hamster wheel spins.
It all comes down to denial.
Most women can be vetted with a few simple questions prior to committment – conservative values, and the like. If you see her squirm, you know she’s not a keeper.
There is no such thing as moderate feminism, because there is no such thing as a moderate belief in equality. Equality is falsehood, you either believe the delusion or you don’t.
All feminist should therefore, be named and treated as ideological extremists.
Andrea Dworkin lived with a man (albeit in a sexless relationship), was on psychiatric drugs most of her life, and died young of obesity related issues. A fine exemplar.
She was just another Jew whose fucked up genes would not allow her to think straight.
Jews have a pretty shaky history behind them. Because of a few of their leaders they habe been kicked out of many countries and that contributed to a mentality similar to a kid whose parents move around a lot.
Bearing that in mind, a fraction of them rebel against their host since they cannot identify with the culture.
The Ashkenazis in general are quite ugly too. Wrong genes.
Are they?
How old was she? I thought she was still around.
What a dwork!
If you want to see the results of feminism, look no further than the current state of the black community. If anyone knows our history in this country, it’s pretty fucked up. Everyone knows about the trans Atlantic slave trade, African imperialism etc.
But NOTHING has been more detrimental to us than feminism. Funded by Khazar Jew-“ish” people (surprise surprise), black women fell for the feminist bullshit due to Stockholm syndrome & getting gassed up from white feminists thinking their was some “sisterhood” (read about the “negro bedwench”, Tariq Nasheed does a GREAT job breaking this down https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXscKsS3IIk).
For black people, one of the biggest signs of a CointelPro agent are the Nation of Islam, Black neo-conservatives and Black feminists. Every time black people have some kind of progress, here comes a black feminists fucking up the energy and directing it into some other shit that leads us in a circle. Khazars have very successfully corrupted the black family to the point where black folks do a better job killing each other than white people… Not to mention all the abortion clinics all over the place…
The Khazars are on a mission to destroy indigenous European populations too but you’re right the impact is very noticeable within the black people. Just look how heavily black rappers borrow from the Illuminati symbolism, the gangster culture etc, etc.
Besides, due to high testosterone levels black women are prime candidates for the role of the empowered woman. I noticed most black men have Mama’s issues, which they try to conceal with an outer layer of aggression.
“I noticed most black men have Mama’s issues”
Africans and Native Americans have always been matriarchal. This is why feminism “worked” so well to brainwash our women. There was never a “black patriarchy” because black people have never controlled real wealth in this country to even implement this sort of behavior. Now that black women “don’t need no man” we have a LOT of lost souls walking around here trying to be a man but they have no idea. This shit goes deep man, very twisted stuff. read about Margret Sanger.
When women say “I don’t need no man” what they are really doing is giving voice to a sense of denial about what they desperately want. A husband and a father (and possibly a brother), none of which they have.
exactly
Exactly. Similarly, when a woman says “A man needs to be able to deal with me” she is really saying “I need and want a strong authoritarian man who isn’t afraid to tell me when I’m acting like a spoiled child and who will create within me the desire to submit to his will.” It’s very difficult for a woman to psychologically override that which is biologically instilled into her. Those who have been able to do just that need to be avoided at all costs.
“I don’t need no man” except she needs a society and government created by men to protect her.
I’m not sure I would call it feminism. Black men are for various reasons, absentee fathers (in the ghetto) thus only the mother and grandmother are available to raise the child. This cycle is self-perpetuating.
“I’m not sure I would call it feminism. Black men are for various reasons, absentee fathers”
That’s the difference between you and me, you aren’t sure and I am.
Feminism hit the black community in the 60’s to divert our attention from the civil rights movement. It is no coincidence that the black women is the most stereotyped to say “I don’t need no man” and goofy shit like that. The black family started tearing apart at the levels we see today during this time. This also lines up when the government started making programs to make being a single mother seem like a good option. This was all part of the plan.
The second wave was the war on drugs. Reagan and his neo-kkkon friends were allowing Russian guns and Colombian Cocaine to FLOOD black communities all over the nation. He also simultaneously started giving insane prison sentences for Crack & gun charges, knowing that he was importing both at insane numbers (read about Iran-Contra and Freeway Ricky Ross to see an example from California). This built the prison industrial complex to a point where more black people are in prison today than were enslaved in 1861… This is no coincidence
2 generations of “i don’t need no man” from women + the last 30 years of the drug war + the prison industrial complex is the result of why most inner cities are so fucked up today.
Is that the only difference?
The trouble with your view is that it requires too many things to go right, a bit like the death of Lady Diana.
Dude it’s easily verifiable.
Read about the “New Jim Crow”, Read about “CointelPro” (this is the fore father of the patriot act and the current NSA), Read about “Iran-Contra”, Read about Freeway Ricky Ross (not the fat fuck rapper police informant, the REAL Rick Ross). Read about the prison industrial complex.
I know about CointelPro and Iran-Contra and a bunch of other stuff. While these things and more undoubtedly wrecked havoc on the black family I do not consider it to be part of some overarching plot to destroy the black race. I think you give these people almost godly levels of respect. I think their objectives are money and power. To them, black people are merely collateral damage and a useful heatsink. By this I mean, no matter how fucked up things are for white people (because of the elites) they can always redirect their ire at “those fucking niggers!”.
And poor white folk fall for that scapegoat all day long. They don’t see the big picture. The elite call them niggas the same way they call us niggas smh.
Stop it with this “Khazar” nonsense about Ashkenazi Jews. We have made a lot of progress in genomics, you know. Ashkenazi Jews have apparently descended from Palestinian Jewish men who married gentile Mediterranean women (e.g., Italian
women) back in Roman times, and then their descendants moved north
http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2013/10/08/ashkenazi-jewish-women-descended-mostly-from-italian-converts-new-study-asserts/
It isn’t nonsense “Palestinians” didn’t get to that land mass until about 639AD during the Arabic invasion. Neither Arabs or European “Jews” are the people from 2,000 years ago.
And how do you explain the ballooning of the European Jewish population to 8 million at the beginning of the 20th century?
ROK has published some good articles about feminism’s terrible effect on the black community. This one by Athlone McGinnis jumps to mind:
It is essential that this divide be understood. There are some men who don’t like the RadFems, but basically subscribe to their ideology, just not their methods. Any man with an ounce of sense knows that suffrage was an awful idea and that the correct attitude towards women is the one that was held for well over 5000 years, continuously, before the French Revolution. Our ancestors were smart.
Time to stop with the embarrassing capitulations for pats on the head. In an age of lies, all truth is going to be extremism.
Putting your kid in daycare is a bit like keeping your dog in a cage while you go to work. Neither is natural.
That said, what is wrong with raising your kids to a suitable age and then pursuing a career?
I agree. Once the kids are truly old enough to go to a traditional school, it is a good idea for a mother to find something useful to occupy her time.
Ironically, there’s a new upper class version of housewifery out there helping to kill feminism from the top: Helicopter moms.
Due to the wage deflation and competition created by flooding the university and jobs market with women and immigrants, university slots are no longer walks in the park even for upper class white women filling out affirmative action forms (even worse, they are now being discriminated against! hehehe! Welcome to the club, ladies!)
Their daughters face a highly competitive market from pre-school up to college and a slew of after-school programs the kids need to compete in to remain relevant. These housewives ferry their brood to soccer practice, Karate, summer study camps, orthodontists, spelling bees, the works. It is becoming a full time job again. And imagine how hard this is to do for a single mother (not that I have compassion for most of them since they treated their men badly or with apathy).
So maybe this morning’s coffee hasn’t kicked in, but I’m having trouble connecting helicopter moms with the destruction of feminism. What precisely are they doing that is undermining feminism; teaching their children the merits of achievement?
Not trolling, genuinely curious.
A helicopter mom is basically a 1950’s housewife but instead of baking cookies, she’s reading up on medical school applications 10 years in advance.
The feminist lifestyle was based upon independence. The ability for a woman to have her career and home life and kick the man out at a moment’s notice. The helicopter mom lifestyle is highly dependent upon a traditional breadwinning male. There isn’t enough time for a career woman to balance work and this kind of home life.
It’s always been a gripe for feminists that “balancing work and home” is a problem and they have tried to demand Swedish style subsidies to make it possible. However, we have our own form of Soviet style economic collapse where most of the money is going towards oligarchs and awful obamacare schemes so there just isn’t the money to make that possible anymore (and even in Sweden it’s going to collapse as the Swedes engage in racial and cultural suicide.)
Gotcha, I kinda was thinking that was where you were going with your comment, but wanted to make sure I was on the same page. That begs the question as to whether helicopter moms are actually creating a healthy atmosphere for their kids. Can they interfere TOO much?
Helicopter moms are portrayed as stereotypically Asian and wanting to avoid their children falling into the trap of the prevalent culture of the schools. One could consider them similar to homeschooler parents.
Sure, both of us probably think that it’s better to let kids just be kids and play in the dirt and watch TV on Saturday morning and I agree with that. On the other hand, times probably have changed since we were kids and the schools today make the cast of Welcome Back Kotter seem affluent by comparison. Kids are full of diversity classes, kids with mobile smart phones, and other poison the kid in a hot minute. Who wants to leave one’s child alone to the TV, school, and pop culture?
Ironically, many of these helicopter moms are killing off the chance they, themselves, had. If they get their daughter into lawschool and a 6 figure job, what’s the odds that daughter will marry young to another lawyer and have kids? It’s more likely that lawyer will marry a secretary to be his kids’ helicopter mom.
They do. Is that not the point of the label? They are always fussing, hovering nearby, never letting their young boy learn independence, never letting him fall off the slide and learn that bruises are not a big deal.
I think given the choice I’d take a working mom over a helicopter mom.
That’s what’s so perverse about career over children. A mind has a longer shelf-life than ovaries.
Most women have done this throughout history. Mary Magdalene funded Christ’s ministry.
In answer to your question, English Bob, is that feminists argue that women should do as they please without consequences. What’s “wrong” with what you propose is, raise the volume: WOMEN WOULD EARN LESS THAN MEN!!! It’s pure greed. I laugh because a feminist was whining that corporations are “greedy” and don’t all have super long paid leave for mothers. Boo hoo! Why doesn’t the world give me all of it’s money! The world is so greedy!
It’s the mind of a psychopath.
Another reason feminists hate the above paradigm you suggest is that it requires women to, gasp, RESPECT, breadwinning men. What disgusted me most about career women on dates was their attitude that I was lower than the waiter. I was an ATM machine that should cough out money but not even get a thank you for doing so. As an “independent” woman, she didn’t need to be around me but I should pay for the “pleasure” of doing so and beg for sex. I honestly wasn’t interested in screwing them after being treated like that. I really would rather go home and whack off.
Feminism is about having the attitude of “I do what I want and F all of you!”
Young women are told that a breadwinning man should appear when she’s 30 and her biological clock is ready and in the meantime, she should spend her youth traveling, having sex with biker gangs, etc. and then a “traditional” man should be happy to rescue her. Because she’s “special” and a victim of historical oppression so it’s owed to her.
And for many of them, sadly, it works. They go online at 30 and have several dozen men hitting on them.
It is similar to the socialist attitude and the attitude of children. My sister used to complain that my father was selfish when he wouldn’t buy her a new jacket… all while living under his roof, eating his food and using his light and heat. Not only that, she didn’t clean a damn thing.
My dad kept a tight hand on the purse strings. My mom complained after he bought a boat for “us”. I’d figured out years before that it was easier and way less confrontational to earn money than go about wheedling and pitypandering, then pissing and moaning if one didn’t get one’s way.
The least she could have done was do some cleaning and make him a damn sammich.
Putting the dog in a cage
I never understood that or even saw that until starting about 15 years ago. The first time I was at a relative’s house and they went to put the dog in its cage for the night, I asked them what they were doing. Until then, I had never heard of anyone doing that, the dog or cat were always allowed to roam the house at night.
The times I have seen this done, it is usually a woman that is all “We have to put the dog/cat in its cage for the night.” (and most of the times the husband goes along with it, so it is a guy’s fault also for this happening.)
My dog destroys my place while I’m gone, but I refuse to cage him. But I’m single so nobody can tell me what to do. I would rather cage the wife than the dog… He is my buddy..
Ha ha. Plus a destructive dog will send you down the path of minimalism in short order. Let him rip. A crazy ass dog will teach you that materialism is not where happiness lies.
The key is training. One of my colleagues at work hates cats because he says they tear up the furniture. I told him my cat has never harmed a single item of furniture. Why? Because I trained him appropriately.
Cages are for selfish people who want a dog in spite of the fact that they are too lazy to train the animal.
how have you magically taught your tabby not to wreck your couch? Do tell…
I told him he gets five ass kickings for every clawing.
Redirection. Give him something that’s more fun to claw than your couch. Scratch post, scratch pads, toys to play with etc. Also, make sure he gets to go outside. Keeping a cat in the house is a recipe for bad cat behavior.
And you don’t want a bad cat.
Then that husband should go in that cage as well. I would never stand for that. If you need to put your dog in a cage you don’t deserve a dog. Get a budgie instead.
I was watching a Q&A panel with Peter Hitchens and ultra-feminist Hanna Rosin (✡), where Rosin replies to this question with “Why can’t men raise children? Why do women have to raise children?” To which Peter Hitchens replied “because they’re better at it.” Lol. The audience gasped like it was heresy.
Yet if he would have made the claim (for whatever reason) that “Men are better at raising children.” They would have shit themselves over that also. That’s why you have to cut all cultural ties to Anglo females if possible. They don’t want any problems solved at all. They only want the emotional tingles of anger and indignation.
Sad but true.
You can cut ties or tell them your expectations. While they throw a fit, you just stare at them, wait for them to finish and then carry on. After a while their natural inclination to submit to you will kick in and they will accept what you say.
Woman Taming 101.
Now I want to watch “Taming of the Shrew.”
We could easily turn that around. “Why do men have to do all the hard work?” Hell, you say to virtually any woman that your ambition is to be a house-husband and she’ll look at you with disgust.
“That said, what is wrong with raising your kids to a suitable age and then pursuing a career?”
That would imply skipping the cock carousel. They won’t do it.. The Dick is too yummy….
LMAO!
This is the path that I took. Now in my 50s I’ve got great kids and grandkids plus a growing career while I’m still young enough to take it as far as I want. Having my children in my 20s and raising them while putting aside my career aspirations was the best decision I ever made. My husband is now on the flip side. He worked hard while we raised the children and now he’s got what he calls his ‘retirement job’ with low stress, great benefits, and flexibility. (And no it’s not working at Walmart ;-)).
Man, feminism would be dead if we just gave them what they wanted. And by that I mean not treating these women as a sexual object EVER. The moment a woman identifies herself as a feminist and complains about the whole sexualization bullshit, just stop, I said STOP seeing her as anything sexual at all (no matter how hot she is)… treat her like you would treat your grandma, without any remarks about her beauty or appearance. After some little time they would be imploring to be sexualized again.
The problem is the White Knights and manginas everywhere who keep pursuing and worshipping these femitards and enabling them and keep saying “ohh you are so beautiful, you go girll” and all that shit..
Man’s gotta have standards.
The trouble is, those weaklings think the only way to get in a woman’s panties is to agree with everything she says.
Another way, might be to fuck the shit out of these chicks and remind them how much they enjoy being dominated.
Well.. that’s valid too.. but it gotta be one hell of a dominant fuck that changes her mind completely or else this might just give validation to her ideology, since she is getting sex anyway by being a feminist.
True… I guess you really have to make it clear who’s doing the penetrating.
I agree with this idea wholeheartedly.
But living up to it might be easier said than done.
If we’re being honest, it doesn’t matter what kind of “super” man we may be, pussy is still our Kryptonite.
Right you are, sir…
yep. they still have us by the balls.. literally.. that’s our Achilles’s heel… and man, do they know how to work it…
Only on continents where it’s in such short supply. Not too many Anglo dudes are putting up with the short leash in South Asia.
It has been a while since anyone did a piece on celibacy, monk phases or any kind of social detox, but its basically a drug, as just like the booze, you gotta spend at least one month a year purging your system of its bad habits.
The moment she starts talking about feminism, if she is not worth saving,…i’m walking away.
Science proves feminists to be wrong…again.
http://observer.com/2015/05/science-says-lean-in-is-filled-with-flawed-advice-likely-to-hurt-women/
Janay Rice leaned in. Look what happened to her.
You win the internet!
Ask Sheryl Sandberg’s husband what he thinks of moderate feminism.
In fact ‘moderate feminism’ is often more extreme than traditional completely nuts (reduce the male population to 10%) ‘radical feminism’ as its focus is upon presentation, and achieving its aims through persuasion and going mainstream rather than through separatist politics. In part rad fem is moderate feminism without make-up, i.e. without the soft-faced presentation.
There is also perhaps a generational and ideological difference which again makes ‘moderate feminism’ more rather than less dangerous. Some rad fems never got to grips with the notion of ‘gender neutrality’ where essential biological facts are denied or distorted, in order to present matriarchal, feminist values as being gender neutral. The difference here though is between overt feminist supremacy and covert feminist supremacy, so personally I’d rather be dealing with radical feminists insofar as they actually reveal themselves.
But while rad fems haven’t always got to grips with judith butler style post-modern gender neutral feminism all feminists seem to effectively share some core-ideological beliefs particularly around the destruction of gender roles / differences, from parenting (“parenting is about love / quality” meaning men can be mothers too) to sexual roles (its about who you love not their biological identity) etc.
So the essential difference is not really to do with the core gender theory ideology but with the fact that rad fems are rarely mealy mouthed about promoting their final solutions whereas moderate feminists present as caring deeply about how feminism is perceived. The mask of moderate feminism has permitted feminism to become a mass phenomenon, but its a case of the proverbial wolf in sheeps clothing
“Ask Sheryl Sandberg’s husband” Hahaha isn’t he dead?
Yep. He took death over living with that crazy woman.
He’s in a better place.
I’ve long said that moderate feminism is as bad as radical feminism if only because it’s more prevalent. Here’s moderate feminism in a nutshell:
1) Voting rights for women.
2) Equal opportunity in the workplace guaranteed by law.
Sounds pretty moderate but the problem, it’s unworkable. The post feminist era shows that most women have traditional demands of men as protectors and breadwinners meaning that they expect equal voting rights to men that mostly men will die in combat to protect. And in the workplace, women will want to earn as much as men but still marry up.
Under natural conditions, without “affirmative action” and welfare, women’s participation in the workplace craters. Employers perceive that young women are likely to marry, have babies, and leave the workplace and as men work harder, the men get promoted faster and become better providers for such women. This creates a natural economic feedback loop that both drives women out of the workplace along with feeding the women’s own natural impulses.
“Moderate” feminism can only survive via programs such as welfare and affirmative action that treat men as second class citizens and serfs to economically sustain women in the workplace. This system has lowered living standards for all and consequently resulted in women becoming angry as men fail to live up to traditional standards. American women have their awful reputation NOT because they’re frustrated feminists but rather because they’re frustrated traditionalists: They are angry that men are no longer able or willing to satisfy her one-sided demands of traditionalism and feminism while giving absolutely nothing back to men other than sex.
Feminism, moderate and radical, hasn’t encouraged women to have sex for some time now. The problem is that such women have so little to attract men that sex is all they have to offer. It’s called the three date rule. Who wastes their time beyond that with a vapid, materialistic vampire? Feminists have to bang men because otherwise, they are like lost children after they’ve blown all their money on new handbags and the rent comes due.
Moderate feminism is also evil because it both ignores the traditional demands women make of men to be breadwinners while downplaying the sacrifices such men make to live up to that role. Moderate feminism views the workplace as one big playtime and daycare center (for the women) and her income to be blown at the shopping mall while, for men, it’s a Gulag. He works to earn money for what SHE wants and even worse, gets no appreciation because that’s just what he’s supposed to be doing. Feminism had promised to free men from such roles but instead it only made it much, much worse!
There are no “nice” feminists. There are only feminist apologists. And there are no moderate male feminists. There are naive fools and cool aid drinking ideologues. Even most moderate MRA’s are in denial of reality.
Finally, feminism doesn’t really even technically exist. It’s an extension of chivalrous white male patronage of women due to puritanical mores in the states making men into desperate sexual beggars. In Europe, even the hell known as Sweden, a Swede can buy a ferry ticket for a hundred bucks to go to Germany or Amsterdam and get laid with a prostitute. The absence of that option in most of the USA has made men here into insane “gamers” constantly finding ways to get sex with women and having sex on the brain. One requirement for a red-pill conversion should be to sleep with a prostitute at least a few times.
I just can hardly believe there are men who won’t fall for the BS of feminists today, but are still falling head over heels for the BS of feminists from 100 years ago. The arguments they present are just as horrible.
The argument back in the 70’s, and even 80’s, was that just as soon as enough career women were on the feet and felt secure, they’d live up to the equality standards of men and would start showing what good feminism has done.
I’m reminded of the line from Popeye’s Wimpy: “i’ll pay you tuesday for a hamburger today”. Feminism demands everything for women NOW, IMMEDIATELY, and then when asked when the movement, and women, will actually care about men (and even children) in their lives, it’s always set off for just after a zillion years from now.
That’s the post feminism conundrum: Once feminists declare that they’ve achieved “equality”, they have to stop playing victim and demanding stuff.
Which is why they come up with ridiculous claims of oppression. Now it’s that office buildings that are A/C are cold for women. I laughed my head off. They want something warmer? How about putting up drywall at construction sites? I’m sure that’s pretty warm work! Hahahaha!
Very well put.. and you get to the root of the problem in your analysis.
This is why I have come to the conclusion I am opposed to even “moderate” feminism. No good can come out of giving women “equal rights.” Those idiot MRA’s who claim to be only against “radical feminism” and say everything would be great if only feminism was reigned in and about “true equality” or whatever are deeply deluded fools. They don’t understand the problem is that women’s nature is deeply rooted in biology and as a result of millions of years of evolution, just like male nature. Women refuse to marry men who aren’t above t hem in status and income. And god forbid they should ever lower themselves to a man below their income and status .. they will never “lift up” or “raise up” man from below their socio-economic status in the the same way that many men did and continue to do with women below their level. This is why men should be privileged and favoured over women when it comes to jobs and status in society: give a man a good job and status and he’ll attract a woman for marriage, and raise a family and happily support his wife and family. The man benefits, the wife benefits, family formation and children become possible, and the whole society benefits. Give a woman a job and raise her status and she’ll reject all the men at her level or below, and only spread her legs for, or marry, men above her income and status level… if she can manage to find a man willing to marry her, that is.. Otherwise, she sluts it up with multiple men . .but never get married.. and nobody benefits except the woman. All the educated women with high status professions like doctors, etc, end up marrying men who are already high status and high income already. Women will never raise or lift up men below their level. You get far more “bang for the buck” for society by educating and raising the status of men over women.
I’m reminded of the paradigm of no-kill shelters and feral cat administrators spending their money on spaying cats rather than neutering the males. If you spay 99% of the females, it reduces homeless cats but 99%. If you spay 99% of the males, it reduces homeless cats rate by 0%.
I know that’s not a great analogy for people, but educating women is anti-darwinistic: Smart and intelligent women (for women, of course :-), have fewer kids because they either don’t marry down or marry their careers. This is portrayed on Idiocracy (except in order to make it PC, they portrayed all the idiots as white.)
I found Idiocracy interesting because if the protagonist hadn’t come along and told them to use “toilet water” to water the plants, evolution would have continued. Food would have stopped growing and the idiots would have starved to death and started to engage in additional violence to cull the herd even further.
A scientist did a study with rats where they did a similar thing: Unlimited food BUT limited space. As the rats started to crowd each other, a culture of aggression kicked in preventing mating. They were too busy fighting each other for space to bother getting laid. This culture of aggression continued even as the population precipitously declined until, get this, the population was reduced to the starting few rats.
I would argue that few women have really enjoyed much due to feminism. They get “equal pay” for their hobby jobs but it either comes of their husband’s paycheck or they pay more in taxes for the welfare state and to lock up all the gamma males. The only women who really love feminism are man-hating feminists who don’t want to mate with men at all costs but even they probably would be better off in a traditional society with a higher standard of living where they could live in a farmhouse someplace. Only ultra manhaters who want to see men miserable, at all costs, are happy with feminism.
A Swedish guy I was diving with quite some years ago explained to me that Sweden takes a global view of prostitution. In Sweden the female selling the sex is not in violation of any law, but the man paying for it is. Applying it globally means this is extended to anywhere in the world, even where prostitution is legal. So that Swedish guy taking the ferry to Germany might face some stiff questioning when he gets back to Sweden. If there is evidence like pictures on the internet that incriminate him, he is in the stew regardless of it being legal where he was at the time it was done.
I’m aware of this. Heck, the same applies in America so to speak in that with IMBRA, the sex cartel tries to discourage American men from marrying women overseas as compared to the local “talent” plus sexual harassment laws punish men for flirting with women in the workplace even as women still expected men to do so.
Heck, it was hilarious in the 90’s watching the liberated career women get all surprised when “real men” didn’t want to risk losing their jobs by asking them out anymore and then these women had to go online to get dates. Back then, women expected relationships to magically appear on their doorsteps without any effort on their part whatsoever.
Nonetheless, the discreet option to travel to the mainland for Swedish men is available while it’s not really useful here. There are places to go, but it’s a risk that if the police bust on the johns, then a man’s career can be ruined.
You can’t blame the Jewsual suspects for modern feminism. This corrupt idea goes back to the white intellectual vandals who gave us the Enlightenment. One of the earliest advocates of women’s sexual freedom, the English slut Mary Wollstonecraft, looked like this.
I blame both, I mean you have to imagine that yes these people were the impetus but it never really got that popular. Not until the money got behind these movements, Schlomo Shecklesteingberg funding it.
Indeed.
Of course radical beliefs today will be moderate beliefs tomorrow on feminism. In the 1960’s the idea men and women were equal was pretty fucking radical. Feminists(who get challenged today) now fall back on that like it’s a sane, moderate, and rational position. They fall back on the good ol’, “All feminism means is that men and women should be equal.” Give me a break, I’m not that fucking stupid. It’s just sheer distortions and lies.
Maybe in 30 years people like Anita Sarkeesian will be moderate or even she’ll be attacked for not being feminist enough! And who knows what the definition of feminism will be at that time! It’ll probably by that time just admit that it’s female supremacy and admit say something like, “All feminism means is that women are superior to men,” and that will be the standard they fall back on.
Andrea Dworkin: 10/10 WNB.
Probably furious that she can’t get any action with real men…
Andrea Dworkin is proof that even Cialis has its limits…
GCSE results were released in the UK today, and the media hasn’t shut up about girls getting better grades. Not a word about how boys are still out performing girls on testing, they always have, but coursework has dragged boys scores down, and pushed up girls. It may well be, as the numerous studies suggest that female teachers have a entrenched bias towards boys, and a favouritism towards girls, and since they mark coursework, this explains the gender gap. Look at the PISA results and how boys crush girls on those tests. I’ve said it numerous times, this should be one, if not our main issue.
They also neglect the fact that boys learn better when doing something while girls learn better sitting and listening. I did terrible in high school until my senior year when all of a sudden I had more freedom to roam the halls of the school and do what I wanted (thanks to ahem….theater productions). Contrary to me rarely being in class, my grades skyrocketed and I graduated with honors. I contribute it to not being constantly bored sitting in a desk. I got the main points I needed in class and then left to go work on the set or whatever else I felt like doing.
Coursework is a racket. It’s how they control you
A few weeks ago I was in my father’s office and I saw a picture of a baby I’d never seen before. I asked, “who’s sad looking kid is this?” He said, “that’s you.”.
It was a picture of me from a time when I couldn’t even stand on my own in a daycare looking totally miserable. My mother had issues and couldn’t take care of me for some reason. My father was busy making his business so I was in daycare before I could stand.
I could see the grief and the shame on my dads face from me looking at the picture. He didn’t want that for me but he couldn’t do anything about it.
I hope no one takes this the wrong way but I’m a guy that ostensibly would never have sought out the manosphere. I appreciate it, have learned from it and enjoyed it but you would never think I’d need any help if you look at my life. I’ve been told I make the majority of people around me (alphas excluded) nervous and insecure but because of the distrust and anger towards women instilled in me by my mother and grandmother I have had problems in relationships and interacting with women as a whole. A boy needs a mother just like he needs a father.
I’ve heard that when children are young, they need the mother more. As they age, the role of the father in their lives become more prominent. Not sure how much ring true, but I can see the argument for it.
Well I can see as my son got older, he rather be with me than his mom. He’s still in the stage in a boy’s life where girls are ewww! LOL.
At least you’re one of the few dudes here who admits he has issues with the women in his life, which therefore attract him to this environment that is ultimately toxic. You’re a cut above the rest in my book.
“Kindness is for fools. They want them to be treated with oil, soap, and caresses, but they should be beaten with fists! In a duel you don’t count or measure the blows, you strike as you can! War is not made with charity, it is a struggle, a duel. If Our Lord were not terrible, he would not have given an example in this too. See how he treated the Philistines, the sowers of error, the wolves in sheep’s clothing, the traitors in the temple. He scourged them with whips!”
Pope Pius X
I’m not even catholic, but that sounds like a manly Pope.
Outstanding quote. We need more church leaders like him.
Somebody has a small dick.
Women our equal? Lol, these deranged lunatics believe their second class biology is on par with ours.
Isis shares your same thought.
Isis would have more in common with you free speech fascists than with us.
Even under the Patriarchy we didn’t behead you for talking bullshit. 🙂
No no no mangina, ISIS terrorizes people, especially their women. Me stating that they are not our equal does not mean I hate them. I came out of a woman you turd, how then can I hate one? But I do very much hate when they want to make themselves our equal. But would I throw acid at their faces? No! Would I enslave them? No! Would I make them cover their bodies when it is 100 degrees outside? No! Go be a mangina somewhere else.
Isis shares your exact initial comment.
Equal but different. You’re not better than me just because you were born with a dick.
Doubtful, I doubt they have a basic understanding of biology. But you are still a mangina.
Just because you were born with a penis, it doesn’t make you superior to me. In fact, I smell omega all over you.
Equal but different huh? Oh how you people love to give words new definitions.
My husband and I are a team. There would be no team without each one of us. Does your mom know that you don’t think she’s equal to you? Without her, you wouldn’t be posting on this woman hating site. Oh, the irony.
I am superior to you in every way, a girl beating a guy? At what exactly?
My mother is a wiser woman, she sees the women of today as silly, just like you. She knows that no matter how hard she tries, she will not outdo my dad in anything. Now if you with a straight face( if you know what that is) can claim that you can outdo your husband, and it be found true, then your husband is a mangina.
Men and women complement each other. To say that we aren’t on par with you is to insult our completion of the two sexes.
Outdo him how? We don’t compete, we complete each other.
Your mother believes that you are superior to her, sad.
You would not know truth if it hit you silly, blind you are, and blind you will perish. Now be gone silly woman, this is a site for real men. Have a nice day.
Insult what completion?
Oh just admit that you want Roosh to build you all a time machine and go back in time like 7 centuries, it’s adorable.
This is a site for angry men.
Have a nice day.
ISIS keeps their women in check. Which is what we need to be doing.
Complement and equal are different things. If ISIS believes in social inequality, ISIS is correct.
meaning pathetic perma-virgins who haven’t so much as talked to a women
“Men and women complement each other. To say that we aren’t on par with you is to insult our completion of the two sexes.”
I’d wear this as a T-Shirt. ; )
Thank you Trevor. 🙂
You’re most welcome. : )
I have more respect for radical feminists like Andrea Dworkin and Camille Paglia. Both of them were honest and consistent about their beliefs, even if their beliefs were insane. Here is a great article about Dworkin and how she is worlds away from the Gloria Steinem/ Sheryl Sandberg style of Feminism. http://exiledonline.com/exterminate-the-men-honoring-andrea-dworkin-a-feminist-who-meant-it-and-paid/
Why are paglias ideas insane or for that mentioned on the same breath as the leviathan Andrea dworkin. Paglia has been the most effective critics of Mainstream genuinely nuts feminism
She is not crazy like Dworkin. But she, like Dworkin, is one of the few feminists who actually mean what they say. I agree with Paglia a hell of lot more than Dworkin.
Fair enough. Its a rare feminist who doesn’t talk out of the side of her mouth
I could stand to be stranded someplace alone with Paglia, not for any prurient reason, but because of the depth of the conversations.
The radical feminists have intellectual substance. I may disagree with them very strongly, but they have something to say. Even Dworkin’s bizarre statement that “all sex is violation” has some small element of truth to it when you read it context.
Ditto for Paglia who has some wonderful observations that cut across the usual conservative/liberal lines.
Are you kidding? Dworkin and Paglia are worlds apart! Dworkin hates men, Paglia values them — these two aren’t even remotely close in philosophy.
“Only when manhood is dead – and it will perish when ravaged femininity no longer sustains it – only then will we know what it is to be free.” ~ Andrea Dworkin
“If civilization had been left in female hands we would still be living in grass huts.” ~ Camille Paglia
“Under patriarchy, no woman is safe to live her life, or to love, or to mother children. Under patriarchy, every woman is a victim, past, present, and future. Under patriarchy, every woman’s daughter is a victim, past, present, and future. Under patriarchy, every woman’s son is her potential betrayer and also the inevitable rapist or exploiter of another woman.” ~ Andrea Dworkin
“Contemporary feminists, who are generally poor or narrowly trained scholars, insist on viewing history as a weepy scenario of male oppression and female victimization. But it is more accurate to see men, driven by sexual anxiety away from their mothers, forming group alliances by male bonding to create the complex structures of society, art, science, and technology.” ~ Camille Paglia
I know. I also agree more with Paglia than I do with Dworkin. But My point is that both of them have an internal consistency with their feminist philosophies that mainstream ones don’t bother with. Dworkin believed that heterosexual sex is always rape. That is fucking insane. But at least she didn’t oscillate back and forth between women being weak victims of oppression and being empowered G.I. Jane’s who are just as tough as men and just as deserving of all of the benefits of being male. Also, Dworkin was extremely anti-pornography, unlike the majority of feminists. As ridiculous as she was, she was not fighting for the right to be be a giant whore without being judged. She really did think that women were slaves of men who needed to be liberated.
Thanks for the clarification.
Stopped reading at this quote:
“The care of the young is infinitely better left to trained professionals rather than to harried amateurs with little time nor taste for the education of young minds.”
My woman works at a day care and with some of the stories I hear, I would never send my potential children to daycare. (And the fact that i slent most of my formative years in daycare, and it defiently screwed with my development.) Most daycare workers are harried amatures. They are not trained professionals if you expand beyond diaper changing.
Now back to finish the article.
My awesome wife left work to take care of our children.
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It shows in both of them.
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I’ve often talked with each of them about the importance of this when they are raising their own families.
I like you style.
Come over to the tattie story for a while, and let’s butt-hurt some feminists. Happy girl is an excellent choice for abuse. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e17fc431737437c715b4414e48e2bf950842bac6074b75bc91477848d54fabfd.jpg
Feminism at its core is Marxism.
Think of feminism as communism in drag.
DEAR HEAVENS!! CAN WE PLEASE HAVE A PERMANENT TRIGGER WARNING ALERT WHENEVER SOMEONE IS GOING TO POST ANY PICTURE OF THE CHILD MOLESTER LENA DUNHAM???? ESPECIALLY IF SHE’S IN A STATE OF UNDRESS?
MY FUCKING EYES!!!!!! MY NIGHTMARES!!!!1
*takes breath*
Thank you.
*gets off soap box, goes to take very long hot shower with antiseptic soap*
An ocean tanker full of Kratom and Nootropics couldn’t get me erect for Lena Dunham.
Trigger alert.
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Here we have a pic of Lena Dumbitch abusing her staff as they try to prod her in the direction of the set. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/bc997e1599506d4b78bb773e295a2c0e459dbd82a01bc8eb2288a11d36b2465d.jpg
Looks like Lena has lost a few pounds.
moderate feminist, radical feminist, marxist feminist, anarcho feminist, black feminist, conservative feminist bla bla bla.
Different semantics, same bullshit only to different degrees.
Let me see if i can sum them all up using the most primitive (and satirical) descriptions possible.
RADICAL FEMINIST: “I look like a pig and i hate men because they won’t bang me. We need to pass laws enslaving men and outlawing attractive women.”
ANARCHO FEMINIST: “No rules, no deodorant, no problem! Down with the patriarchy of government! Woodstock orgies for everyone!”
MARXIST FEMINIST: “I agree with what the radical feminist wants (not the part about outlawing attractive women though) and why the anarchist feminist wants it. For women to be free we need laws that stop the powers of men and we need to make women more empowered.”
CONSERVATIVE FEMINIST: “I’m a conservative intelligent woman, which is why i believe that we as conservatives need to take back the word feminist! It stands for equality! Now join me in helping pass the equal rights amendment so we can get more coughunconstitutionalcough protections for women!”
MODERATE FEMINIST: “Like, i believe in equality for guys and girls but, we need to make sure rape culture is like, totally erased, so we need to make sure that laws get passed to give us like, more protections…n stuff. and more abortions. and more free birth control.”
BLACK FEMINIST: “What that stupid white moderate bitch said.”
This needs to be memorialized somewhere permanently.
I think my comrade in charms Shep has got that covered 🙂
Beautiful!
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This one is going in the archives. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/12b237251efc0c0a9a157dd873b02f1aa0fcd61120442a7d1334a3a2a92181a9.jpg
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I’ll save it for special occasions. Let me know if you ever need it again.
Will do brother! Maybe someone more artistically gifted than myself will help make it truly epic by drawing a picture next to each example that best describes the type of feminist mentioned 🙂
Absolutely hilarious!
Thanks!
Last line is an all-time classic…
Did you have to show that picture of Lena Dunham and I was eating at the time.
Yum. Ham and bacon.
But what was bluerebel eating?
“a woman is exchanging her fertility for the opportunity to work in a cube”
fuckbook extends a “freeze your eggs” benefit to women employees. Unreal..
I implore all men to just delete their Facebook accounts today. Best move I have made in ages I reckon
I would but I have a website that I use my Facebook page to help promote. If it wasn’t for that I’d delete it in a heartbeat. To be honest, I didn’t have a Facebook page for a few years until I started my website. Truly blissful.
A few things…
1) Feminists hate men, children, marriage, families and attractive, feminine women. We all know this. Feminism, a spin off of communism, started out as a kind of trade union for ugly women who couldn’t get a man. Unfortunately, they have been very successful in dragging other women down to their own gutter level!
2) Point one is self-evident, but this part confuses me. Why do women listen to feminists? Seriously, what percentage of feminists look like they are truly happy and therefore somebody to emulate? How many are in a loving relationship with a desirable man? They are all virtually all either bitter, lonely, angry sluts or completely unfuckable pigs.
3) All feminism, whether ‘extreme’ or ‘moderate’, is absolutely toxic to happy, fulfilling relationships with the opposite sex
4) It is particularly galling to hear rich women like Beyoncé talk about the need for feminism. Because with all her millions of dollars she somehow has less privilege than the guy earning 50K a year working as a landscaper, just because he has a dick?
5) I’ll tell you what “privilege” truly is. Follow an attractive young woman in the USA, Australia etc aged 18-25 around for a day and observe the absolute stratospheric quality of life they enjoy. They don’t have to work hard for anything, they are given everything on a plate, they are never criticised. They are showered with gifts, everybody is super nice to them and goes out of their way to help them, they don’t have to line up to go to a bar or club. Dinners and drinks are bought for them. If they want it, they can absolutely find a rich guy to take care of them and they will never have to work a day in their lives (seriously, imagine how good that would be if you were cashed up and lived a life of leisure!) Even if they do choose to work instead, they will never work a hard day, and they will never be criticised like a male colleague. Hot chicks get jobs unbelievably easily, even if they don’t have the proper qualifications, and are next to impossible to fire. I’m not jealous. I accept that’s the way the cookie crumbles, hot young women are high value and always will be. What I can’t accept is them somehow complaining about the patriarchy and being oppressed by men. Just shut the fuck up already!
6) Jews, with their tight, devious penny pinching ways and toxic leftist “intellectualism”, have poisoned much of the west. As much as I think Islam is a death cult, I can see why they hate Jews.
7) Fuck Facebook. Unless a man is making money from it (running his business), leave that shit to betas and brain dead women. It is an absolute waste of time, and you should be doing something better instead
8) It’s not enough to just identify problems, you need to act on them. The best way to deal with feminists is to completely ignore them besides pumping and dumping them. This communicates to them (and women everywhere) that feminists have only one use for men – sex. That’s it. They’re not good for relationships, conversation, company etc – they’re just sex objects (oh the irony, original feminists fought against this, now more men see women as sex objects than ever before thanks to feminism!) Don’t listen to a thing they have to say. Dismiss them. Show them you are better than them
Offer something better…..until you do STFU……it’s the basis of manhood…..it’s not a “game” it’s reality…..
HA HA! That is “MAN UP” on a Kratom, Nootropics, HGH and Super Mandro cocktail!
Just so I’m clear;
It is up to men to improve themselves even more, even, even, even more while 95% of women can’t be bothered to; 1. go for walks. 2. have the diet of an adult (as opposed to an unattended 4 year old at the candy store.)
Okay, man.
All feminism is now is a bunch of crap. Equalitarianism is the way to go if you want true equality.
genetic engineering is the only way to go if you want equality.
Even better.
I was with you till you agreed on the genetic engineering bit, LOL.
You guys are so cute. If the internet didn’t exist, I’m sure you’d meet in a tree house with a “No girls allowed” sign nailed to the door. Adorable, you little rascals, you!
Well there you go. That’s the way to bring men around to your point of view. Shame them.
Big fail, Diana.
We couldn’t do that even if we actually wanted to. You see, guaranteed some lady would sue to be let in and be a part of the club house. When was the last time you saw an all male anything beyond sports and that only exists because they have seperate lady sport teams???Go back to Jezebels. You don’t see us coming over there and trolling you SJW’s.
Lol. Such polite and genial banter!
Well I have been told I’m pretty good looking and I will admit, I’m a bit baby-faced when I shave, so I guess you can call me cute.
And while I don’t have a treehouse (much to my chagrin), I do have a study that my wife and kids aren’t allowed in.
Close enough?
I grew up in the rural areas. We actually used to have a tree house in one of my buddys garden, just without the “No girls allowed” sign. Yet, if any of the neighbours daugthers dared to show up, we would throw water bombs or mud at them. Best time of my life.
I was at the courthouse today and held the door open for an elderly black woman. She flashed a HUGE smile at me, and in a kind, pleasant voice, said “THANK you! What would we DO without MEN!?”
I was utterly shocked and blown away, but did manage to stammer something back to her thanking her for such amazing words. Of course she was only being courteous in response to a kind gesture, and then pointing out the obvious, but can any of you even imagine a woman saying that to you? She grew up pre-feminism, and even though she lived through a racist period in the southeast, doesn’t hate all white men and is able to maintain a positive friendly attitude. It’s so rare to even have a friendly pleasant interaction with a woman that you don’t even care about banging.
I’m starting to think the only hope is for AI to develop and they can implant the brains of a grandmother into the body of a 19 year old robot.
Not all grandmothers are made equal.
http://m.imdb.com/title/tt3516378/
6.5/10 WB
Kate Millet is a hack and a fraud. Who is she to refer to natural parents as “amateurs?”
not just parents, but grandparents.
please find me any ””daycare specialist”” who has 18+ years of experience with children.
The star of “Girls” needs to lose the gut, and some other pounds.
I settle for MSM to just stop showing her pictures.
“Although we have recently seen a rash of rape hysteria and attempts to redefine rape, moderate feminists claim that they are not against having sex with men as long as it is consensual.”
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Redefining consent is HOW they redefine rape.
Flush out your head gear.
Consent pales in comparison to choice. Give a woman the ‘choice’ and she runs to the abortionist when her figure goes or when she gets the first belly ache. Some moms still flake and ‘change their mind’ afterwards, drowning baby in the tub. Sheesh. I’m glad my dad dominated the situation with my mom. She changed her mind frequently. She needed the domination. No woman does well without being dominated.
Feminism is Evil, I believe. That is something about me I wanted you all to know.
So called “radical” feminists are the true feminists, the “moderate” ones are the useful idiots running cover for them, not unlike Stalin’s apologists in the west back in the day.
“Now I understand that some mothers work out of economic necessity. In
those situations, women are often acting heroically in providing for
their families in the best way that they can.”
Bullshit.
Mothers don’t need to work period. A woman’s job is to stay home and raise the children. It is possible to live on one income. Even today. If the modern bitch was selective in who she let knock her up she would have a good man on her hands and she wouldn’t have to resort to this bullshit of “struggling” or “having to work to make ends meet.”
Right on. I agree it’s mom’s job to tit feed and raise the girls to cook and fear the lord BIG DADDY. But once the boys are done tit feeding, the dad must step in and teach his sons how to hunt and make money and most of all how to hunt pussy (game). An absent dad that’s away working reminds me of the ‘Cats in the Cradle’ song. Too much ‘mommy’ will pussify a boy but will also pussify a girl. Only girls should be pussified. It’s proper. When mom is done tit feeding, daddy takes over and teaches his sons the things that mom can’t, like fighting and wrestling:
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Thank you for this article. When I was a child all I wanted was to be a good wife and mum. I was told it wasn’t good enough, I’d be letting the sisterhood down. I didn’t want sisterhood, I wanted to do my best by my family. I wish more people would read this and take it on board.
Thank you
Im an oddity here, I think everyone gets to do whatver they think they are best suited for.
That means no group of people should be guilting you into any other choice. Those that want to coerce you into changing your own life course, just to support their own agenda are not good people.
In that particular case they are not even good feminists, they are simply selfish herders and they undermine the hope of any talented woman to achieve through her own hard work.
ndsk
What do you suggest young women do? Sit around waiting for a husband and then become baby factories? Just look at Josh Duggar’s wife Anna. She was the “perfect wife”, married him as a virgin, became a stay at home mom, submissive, loving, never refusing sex and did not use birth control. Come to find, the husband’s been cheating on her the whole time (in addition to being a child molester). Now with 4 kids under 5 and no education, she has no means to support herself and her kids and no choice but to stayed married to a scumbag. This is something that happens really often – cheating husbands are nothing new and this website actually promotes it. Thanks to feminism, many women don’t have to find themselves in the position of Anna Duggar.
You set up a false dichotomy. It is not virginity + cheating Josh Duggar + ignorance versus slut + career.
Women should get an education and work before they have children. All I am saying is that women should not delay marriage or children so that they can benefit the corporation, that at the end of the day, really doesn’t give a rat’s ass about them. They care about their bottom line.
Do you believe that daycare is just as good as maternal care? Is a 6 month old baby going to learn a lot from those really highly qualified daycare workers?
What is worth more? Your kid or a crack at a mid level management job in a cubicle farm?
It’s hardly reasonable to expect young women to invest in their education and career and then just drop it all to get married and have children. You’d be paying off student loans for a decade or more and not even using that education. I don’t know what the answer is either. Maybe having children is inherently anti-feminist or something.
Maybe daycare is not as good as maternal care. I don’t know. The scientific evidence seems to be mixed (or so it appears from my 5-minute google search). But daycare is not the worse thing ever. It’s not like children who went to daycare are necessarily going to grow up to be fucked up adults. Sometimes what’s best for the child needs to be weighted against what’s best for the parents. For many families, daycare might be the best choice for the family, even if it is less than ideal.
Also, telling women they have to choose between their careers and family will only encourage more women to have fewer children or none at all. Supporting working mothers with things like flexible working hours, paid maternity leave…etc. will benefit both mothers and children. And it will encourage women to have more children.
You mentioned student loans, which are a good illustration of how the machine works. Government intervenes to help provide funding for an interest group (academics) which ends up raising the cost of education and saddling students with a ton of debt, requiring them to work forever to pay it off.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887324688404578541372861440606
On daycare, “Forced Labor” makes the point that all the research was against daycare until it families were forced to do it. Then the research suddenly became favorable to daycare. Research is rarely disinterested.
Sometimes one has to put the contradictory studies down and use common sense. Every working mom I know is harried beyond belief. Eventually, they protest that they would be bored at home, but that is just sour grapes.
All I am saying is that we have to question the preconceptions that our society imposes on us. Question the shibboleths.
A woman’s place is the home. That duggar girl picked the wrong man. It’s unfortunate. But that doesn’t change a woman’s proper place.
meet the original feminist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsGjWT8V22c
Feminism is a doctrine of illogical teachings based entirely on made up statistics and illusions of equality. Whether a woman is stupid enough to buy into it, either moderately or Dowrkin-style “Full Retard”, is irrelevant. She’s still buying into the deception and lies it offers.
In short, as I see it, there is no “moderate” feminism. The only reason it’s being advertised is because feminism is falling apart as more and more women start seeing it for the sack of lies and bullshit that it is. “Moderate” feminism is just radical feminism in full retreat and making its final, feeble attempts at relevance before it vanishes into the history books.
“Never go full retard”. Thanks for the ” Tropic Thunder” reference.
“In short, as I see it, there is no “moderate” feminism.”
Correct. The “moderate” term is thrown in as an obfusication.
Just like “moderate” islam or “moderate” socialism. It either “is” or “is not.” If you are a supporter of a group claiming manifest doctrine, you are apart of it.
Failing you say? Failed it did not. Women think they are our equal, if not then better. I know teenage boys who believe some girls can beat them up. This is all due to the massive amounts of brainwashing and soul sucking these evil troglodytes have unleashed upon us. Ronda retard rousey beating up Floyd? There are a ton of manginas who actually believe such nonsense. These manginas think they are men simply because they have the anatomy of one.
Moderate feminism is no different from radical feminism. They use one-sided, distorted slants on statistics to further their cause of making sure male victims of anything are never discussed, heard, helped. If you bring up such a taboo subject of male victim (of rape, domestic violence, failings in education, custody issues, sentencing gap, medical care discrimination…..) you are called misogynist and are shamed and silenced and vilified by so called moderate feminists. Just try that on any feminist group’s articles or social media pages. Those quotes, such as “all men are rapists”, “man-hating is a noble and viable act” “all sex is rape unless initiated by women”, a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle” are never ever ever condemned, and none of those women making such quotes and none of the quotes themselves have ever seen a mainstream feminist group distance themselves from them. In fact, some of those women are given awards by feminist organizations for their contribution to feminist causes. You can claim moderate feminists say they aren’t radical, but in reality just give lip service to the “not all feminists are like that” hoax, but they are. And they cheer for them on the sidelines. Feminism’s mainstream platform opposes equal parenting laws giving fathers equal time with their children. Feminism opposes spending a penny to help male domestic violence victims with abuse shelters or programs addressing female perpetrators. Feminism is loudly silent on equality in sentencing, conscription, health care funding, educational equality (only STEM is important to make sure equality exists but other vocations, women dominating is perfectly fine), removal of due process for accused males on campus, removal of all male victims of rape by women by the CDC and FBI, and the list goes on. Feminism is an anti-male movement. No exception.
Just wonder why 99% of feminazi have the sex appeal of a rottweiler ??
No, it’s not empowering to have sex with a lot of men, but it is empowering to be able to pay for your own food, water, clothes, etc without having to nag and manipulate another person who doesn’t see you as an equal.
Can you imagine what it would be like to never graduate from the status of “financially dependent child” to “financially independent adult”? So embarrassing!
The point about the daycare is true, American day cares are probably very hostile environments for young children. Not to mention how expensive they are! Luckily, there are various examples of countries like Sweden, France, and Denmark, among others, that have cheap, educational, and high quality day care systems. There is even evidence that such a system boosts the productivity of the work force. Here’s a link: http://www.newrepublic.com/article/118294/us-should-copy-sweden-and-denmarks-work-family-policies
I myself was put into day care when I was very young, and I quite literally cannot remember anything about it. I can assure you all, however, that my intellect, potential, and temperament were not effected. Getting to listen in on conversations, play with other kids, and having a wide variety of books and toys probably helped me develop language and social skills, actually! It’s not as if I never saw my family members; I spent a lot of time with my parents,brothers, and grandparents.
When I got a bit older, I found I wanted to be more independent. I started spending time alone reading,playing or studying, and spending time with friends. My older brothers were the same way; they preferred going to the movies with a girl or hanging out with the “bros” to spending time with our parents 🙂
I imagine my mom would have been bored if she had been a housewife; our parents taught us to be responsible and clean up our own messes as well as maintaining our rooms tidy. A lot of the times we couldn’t even eat at the same time because of hectic schedules and so on, so we cooked for ourselves or ate the food our mom made on sundays and kept in the fridge. It wasn’t perfect, but it taught us what real life is like!
I realize this is a bit long for a comment, but I just wanted to share my personal experience with a mother who was a “career woman” as well.
My mother did not think motherhood was demeaning, but she considered providing for her three children to be one of the most important tasks. It was another way to show us her love.
So in short, yes, my childhood would have been easier if I had had a personal servant, erm, housewife/mother to cook and clean for me, but the independence I gained from having more responsibility was valuable as well.
As for female fertility, a little research found that even at ages 35-39 women still have a 29% chance of conceiving during intercourse two days before ovulation, compared to a 42% chance of 27-29 year olds. However, if the 27-29 year olds had sex three days before ovulation, their chance at conceiving was roughly 29% as well. Conclusion? Older women can be just as capable as conceiving as younger women, depending on when intercourse is timed. I’m sure most women can figure out how to establish a stable career before age 45 when there arises a real issue with conceiving!
However, both men and women should take steps to protect their health so that the quality of their eggs and sperm can be as good as possible. Here’s a link to the article I read. http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/06/21/fertility_after_35_everything_you_thought_you_knew_was_wrong_says_new_atlantic.html
In my opinion, promiscuity is unappealing in everyone. I think that sex is a special way to show your love for someone, not something that a man should vigorously pursue as if he were a meth addict mindlessly prowling the streets looking for a cheap dealer.
Thanks for the thoughtful comment. I think you have been a bit fooled by looking at statistics. A woman’s age definitely affects the likelihood that she will conceive. See the attached chart I got off of babycenter.com.
I am not against education for women or even a woman working before she has children. The bad idea is for a woman to trade her best years trying to establish herself in a career, which in the end is ephemeral.
As for daycare, I suspect that you were affected. That doesn’t mean that you are a damaged person, but there is no way being raised by an institution is the same as being raised by a dedicated care giver who loves you. Of course, there are situations when there is no other choice.
Yeah…If I was affected I’m sure it was insignificant, as I can see no difference between myself and other people of my age who were cared for by their mothers. There are kids who are nice, mean, smart, stupid, etc who were in daycare and who were raised by parents.
Also, I was not at all saying that fertility is endless, just that it’s not fertility doesn’t “fall off of a cliff” after 30. The likelihood goes down, but it’s possible until 40-42 or so. I know personally women who got pregnant at 42 and had a healthy baby.It wasn’t her idea to get pregnant, but she assumed that because everyone had told her that women over 40 have such a low chance of conceiving that she didn’t need contraception. My mother had my sister at 23 and her IQ is less than mine, although my mother was 34 when I was born. No problems. Unless the woman is really incompetent, I would imagine she could manage to establish herself in a career before 40. If a woman finds herself at 45 still a secretary, single, and infertile…maybe that’s natural selection? Haha
A lot of the knowledge about fertility was drawn from studies on french peasant women from 300 years ago…maybe not the most accurate. More modern studies have found that a 19-26 year old woman will conceive 92% of the time within one year, and 98% of the time within two years of trying to conceive. For a 35-39 year old woman, there is an 82% chance within one year, and a 90% chance within two years. It’s not exactly the same, but still, I like those odds.
After 40, it starts to get more complicated, but even then, the majority of women in their forties have no complications. However, for anyone, having a baby in their 40s would be a terrible idea. You simply don’t have enough energy, and you would be 60 when the child is fully independent. My dad will be 58 when I turn 18 and I can tell you, he is having a hard time being a full-time parent and a lawyer. If people are having problems balancing careers and personal lives with having children to the point that they delay having children until their 40s, maybe that means there’s something wrong with society, not that women need to go back to the kitchen.
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-24128176
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/07/22/no-womens-fertility-doesnt-drop-off-a-cliff-at-35/
My advice still stands. You can certainly obediently march in lockstep with the predominant narrative that society dictates. But I encourage you to question that narrative. It doesn’t take any strength to do what you are told. It does take strength to swim against the current.
As for the effects of daycare on your life, wait till you are in your mid thirties before you assess its effects on you. I don’t think the effects are in the area of IQ because the majority of IQ appears to be genetically determined.
Again, I appreciate the thoughtful, intelligent reply.
I am doing what I want to. I want to become an engineer and do something meaningful with my life. I want to be able to travel, not be chained to some children in my house. I know many men who never want children, so I can marry one of them and we can have a nice life together (hopefully). Just because I don’t want to have kids does not mean I’m brainwashed or that I’m following what society tells me (By the way, that narrative of a “strong career woman” is only predominant in America, not in my country. What my mother did was quite unusual.) I also look forward to having a meaningful, monogamous relationship with a man. I know that avoiding university and getting married at 20 would be easier, but I only have one life and I’m not going to waste it on something I don’t truly want.
Okay, I shall wait until I’m 35 to assess how my three years of daycare (combined with my grandmother watching me) permanently ruined my life. If I get depressed I will make sure to blame it on the evil daycare, as opposed to the sadness of aging, stress, or something else. Right.
Thank you for taking the time to respond, it has been fun.
Why did you have to show a photo of Lena Dunham!?!? I was in the middle of dinner…I need to go throw up now
TL;DR version-
My mom has a career and I turned out fine,
Day care can be beneficial if done right,
Children should be taught how to clean up for themselves instead of depending on someone else,
Female fertility doesn’t drop off a cliff at 35, however, women *and* men should care for their bodies to ensure the best quality sperm and eggs.
“Moderate feminism” is otherwise known as liberal feminism or equity feminism. It predates radical feminism. Popular liberal feminist writers include Mary Wollstonecraft, John Stuart Mill, Helen Taylor, Betty Friedan and Gloria Stenhiem.
Ah yes, Gloria Steinem, who famously said “I don’t think feminism is about equality. We don’t want an equal share of the pie, we want our own pie.” Very liberal, very equitable. Never mind that she also thinks — as late as 2012 — that women are even more oppressed now than they were 50-60 years ago.
Betty Friedan referred to her comfortable, paid-for, secure suburban life as a concentration camp and husbands as SS guards.
Just so we’re clear, I oppose feminism in all of its forms, mostly for the same reason that I oppose liberalism in all of its forms. Steinem’s quote about women wanting their own pie seems to be implying that women and men should be “independent” competitors as opposed to mutually dependent partners, which is ridiculous and sad, but it makes sense if you think in extremely liberal terms. At the core of liberalism is a worldview that sees people as social atoms (unconnected, independent parts) that form societies for their “rational self-interest”. In this worldview, “rights” simply ensure the individual’s pursuit of happiness. Relatedness and mutuality are largely ignored.
Remove “moderate” and ” radical” from the title. “Feminism” is an oximoron and shouldn’t exist. They want all the privileges of being women without the negatives/responsibility that comes with it. It won’t work. The communist countries tried foisting “feminism” and equality on women. They were sent to weld a ships, etc. Still they had to come home, cook dinner for their husbands, take care of the kids, stay attractive etc. Guess what they would gladly to all of the above except the welding. The dream of every woman now in the post commi countries is to be stay at home mother and wife.
What’s sad about the article and the comments below (mostly the comments) is that there’s some truth in what y’all are saying. But ultimately, it’s the tones of bitterness and perceived superiority that cloud y’all’s arguments. About the only thing down below that was 100% right was “different and complementary”. Everything else got derailed once the statements gave way to bias, as well as not giving individuals the benefit of the doubt. Really, the problem with this site as well as what it loves to critique is that y’all are the same creature, just fighting for slightly adjusted ends. I.E. fighting fire with fire and two wrongs trying to make a right. Doesn’t work that way.
I hate the fact that feminists are automatically associated with being “man-haters” so if you ever argue against a mans point of view on feminism you’re automatically labeled a “man hater”, because then that allows idiots to post shit like this and get away with it. How can anyones mind be so small? I cant even imagine it
ok, forget about “feminism” for a moment. Just answer this: What if a woman freely WANTS to climb the career ladder, and another woman freely WANTS to stay at home with kids? The only FAIR thing is to allow BOTH the FREEDOM to pursue their wants. Do you agree with that? Forget “Feminism” for the moment and just tell me if you think women should have the same freedom to do whatever they want with their life to the same capacity that men do and should not be ridiculed or pressured out of something because it’s “not for women” (and conversely, that men should not be ridiculed/pressured out of things “not for men”).
Anyway, my idea of “feminism” is that feminism is about FREEDOM. How can you refute THIS feminism? I would like to hear it.
To the disgraces bunches who are hating on feminism are clearly ignorant to the oppression many women face, and are simply wanting to keep the status quo because you are already empowered, and empowering others would take away your own power in this patriarchal society. Social movements are necessary to create change, and there are alway those who are trying to fight them to retain power. If African Americans didn’t create social movements, they may never have broken the boundaries of segregation. If homosexuals never protested against the injustices they faced, they may never had legalized same-sex marriage. So stop trying to have people reach equality.
Well, you see as a flaw the fact that feminists are trying to imitate males, but although there are some roles that one gender does better than the other; most of them don’t really need a gender distinction. Anyways, all of this website arguments are based in conservatism. Sometimes, to an extreme level, you know..what makes you think you’re better than the moderate or even the radical feminists? Do you think radical conservatism isn’t the same? What makes you think is better?
Well its unfortunately affirming that as a man you have no idea what you’re talking about. Perhaps try reading some of the writings you claim don’t exist by figureheads such as Gloria Steinem or Elizabeth Lady Stanton. Feminist women don’t want to be like men, they want people to be viewed as people and treated as thus without gender based expectations and arbitrarily bestowed roles. They want men to be allowed to live true to their human individuality without the imposition of notions deemed masculine necessities, just as they want women to be equally equipped to pursue what it means to be human.