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Is Agribusiness Making You Sick?

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Many people now suffer from gluten intolerance, a constellation of conditions including celiac disease, dermatitis herpetiformis, and others. Gluten-free products are now appearing on supermarket shelves, and many restaurants offer gluten-free choices. Celiac disease—just one of these conditions—causes loose, greasy, and especially foul-smelling stool; which would ruin anyone’s day.

It seems this trend has been on the rise. Gluten intolerance used to be pretty rare, and I never heard about it until about twenty years ago, and seldom back then. Now, it seems as much of a growing trend as the epidemic of narrow angle glaucoma afflicting young adults from states allowing medical marijuana.

People began eating wild grain around 20,000 BC, and began cultivating it around 9500 BC. Agriculture is so ingrained (if you’ll pardon the expression) into our culture that it’s even part of a number of religions. Ishtar’s descent into the underworld symbolized a mythological origin, the Eleusinian Mysteries featured agricultural elements, Holy Communion in Christianity includes consecrated bread, and the Jews make a bigger deal about hardtack than even the British Navy.

So then, after tens of thousands of years, why is it that so many people suddenly are getting strange dietary problems? Is it just food allergies, or could there be something more to it? In short, could something be going on with our food supply?

Artificial chemicals

Back in the old days, farmers would pull up weeds and kill bugs. However, with availability of huge, GPS-guided combines, labor-intensive techniques aren’t as cost-effective. This is especially so with the rise of corporate farming with acreage second only to Soviet collective farms. Pesticides and herbicides have brought down the cost of food, but these can leave residues in the final product. Washing fruits and vegetables is highly recommended, but that doesn’t get rid of anything that was soaked up by plants in rainwater. The overuse of chemicals may present health risks for the public.

One very common herbicide that’s received some controversy is glyphosate, sold by Monsanto as Roundup. Like other herbicides, you wouldn’t want to drink this stuff. As for the possible effects of glyphosate residue, a recent study notes the following:

Negative impact on the body is insidious and manifests slowly over time as inflammation damages cellular systems throughout the body. Here, we show how interference with CYP enzymes acts synergistically with disruption of the biosynthesis of aromatic amino acids by gut bacteria, as well as impairment in serum sulfate transport. Consequences are most of the diseases and conditions associated with a Western diet, which include gastrointestinal disorders, obesity, diabetes, heart disease, depression, autism, infertility, cancer and Alzheimer’s disease. We explain the documented effects of glyphosate and its ability to induce disease, and we show that glyphosate is the “textbook example” of exogenous semiotic entropy: the disruption of homeostasis by environmental toxins.

If the study is right, then glyphosate could be worsening risks of things we’ve always feared, and lots of conditions that were pretty rare before the 1990s. So this is just one chemical out there—who knows what others might be doing?

Other than that, genetically modified wheat that can tolerate glyphosate isn’t ready for prime time, but they’re working on it. In fact, some of this experimental stuff was found by chance on a farm in Oregon. Perhaps seeds from one of the many test projects blew around.

Genetically modified corn

Even aliens don’t like this stuff.

People with gluten intolerance often switch to corn, but that can have problems of its own. There are many varieties of genetically modified corn, which might be contributing to the problem itself. With plants producing their own pesticides, washing it prior to cooking might not do very much.

Previous studies on rats fed GMO diets were highly controversial, and one was retracted. However, late last year, it was discovered that delta endotoxins aren’t broken down normally by the digestive system as previously assumed. This is produced by Monsanto’s GMO corn containing bacillus thuringiensis genes. As the abstract describes the effects on the digestive system of rats:

Specimens from GM-corn fed group showed different forms of structural changes. Focal destruction and loss of the villi leaving denuded mucosal surface alternating with stratified areas were observed, while some crypts appeared totally disrupted. Congested blood capillaries and focal infiltration with mononuclear cells were detected. Significant upregulation of PCNA expression, increase in number of goblet cells and a significant increase in both villous height and crypt depth were detected. Marked ultrastructural changes of some enterocytes with focal loss of the microvillous border were observed. Some enterocytes had vacuolated cytoplasm, swollen mitochondria with disrupted cristae and dilated rough endoplasmic reticulum (rER). Some cells had dark irregular nuclei with abnormally clumped chromatin. It could be concluded that consumption of GM-corn profoundly alters the jejunal histological structure.

Again, this was a rodent study, and maybe human guts can take this better. Ultimately, time will tell; the big experiment is what happens to the public. It’s possible this stuff isn’t so good for us. Even health food consumers might not be aware of what they’re getting.

How bad can GMOs get?

News flash: some bacteria can be harmful

Previously, I thought the controversy about GMOs was overstated. However, my views have changed. It turns out that a genetically modified version of the bacterium klebsiella planticola was close to production. Its purpose was to produce alcohol from agricultural waste, and the leftovers would be used for fertilizer.

Then a team of independent researchers led by Dr. Elaine Ingham ran a safety check, discovering that this GMO bug goes after living plants too and destroys them by producing toxic levels of alcohol. Fortunately, they figured it out before this stuff got released into the biosphere. Why didn’t the company’s own research department figure this out themselves?

This was pretty basic lab research, comparing a control group of wheat to a batch infused with the natural variety of klebsiella planticola (no problems), and another infused with the GMO version (which all wilted). You’d think that averting a potential global extinction event would be pretty big news, but most people haven’t heard about it.

I’m not saying that all GMO products are bad—some might be okay—but this episode demonstrates that problems can happen and better research should be done. When billions in profits are involved, the potential exists for a company’s researchers being pressured not to put the brakes on money-making projects.

Tampering with food is older than you think

A hundred years ago, everything was organic. Then in the 1920s, researchers came up with a new food additive: hydrogenated and partially hydrogenated oils, also called trans fats. The benefit was to make liquid oils semi-solid at room temperature. This new vegetable shortening was once considered a healthy alternative to lard. They tested it on pigs to see if they could be fattened on it, but large quantities killed them. It’s also considered a preservative, since bacteria can’t live on it either, and so it became widely used in junk food. Apparently they thought it was good enough for people.

Eventually, doctors were scratching their heads about a new health problem they hadn’t seen before: adult-onset diabetes, which they called “type 2”. The original child-onset version (type 1) happens when the pancreas stops producing insulin. Type 2 involves insulin resistance—there’s plenty of it, but the body becomes less responsive. This is a common feature in metabolic syndrome.

It took them long enough, but researchers finally started making the connection. Partially hydrogenated oil molecules don’t fit into cell membranes well, and it’s been implicated in a number of problems including insulin resistance. We might consider obesity as a problem caused by gluttony and lack of discipline, but the crap in our food might be playing a major role. I’ve had my own struggles, but fortunately I researched it, got wise, and did something about it.

Et enfin

Not what I mean by trans fats, but I’d give this a miss too

“You are what you eat” might be a corny expression, but it’s literally true. We might think of the health food fanatics as a bit silly and hipsterish, but they might well have a point.

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414 thoughts on “Is Agribusiness Making You Sick?”

    1. This accounts for 50% of gluten and wheat allergies. The other 50% is due to pretentious morons who will jump on pretty much any bandwagon to pretend that they are in someway special.

      1. This. I’ve heard a lot of people claim they have celiac but none of them were diagnosed by an actual doctor.

        1. Some actor said that LA is so afraid of gluten that you could rob a bank with a bagel. Funny stuff. When you look at them massive amount of shit marketed to people who are gluten intolerant and then realize that only 1% of the American population has celiac you have to assume that a large percentage are doing it on the power of suggestion and a large percentage are just insufferable twats yearning to be specail

        2. Few years back my father almost died from celiac before he was diagnosed. Doc said going gluten free without a dire need is very unhealthy.

        3. To say you’re celiac without an actual diagnosis is idiotic. However, I will say that there is only one reliable test for most degrees of intolerance – experiment.
          If you go one month cold turkey, then try it again for a few days and you’re 100% fine, you’re not intolerant. If, like me, your migraines come back and you spend a few days strapped to the toilet, you are.

        4. No. The only acceptable test to determine celiac is a biopsy of your small intestine.

        5. Celiac, of course. However, Celiac is similar to diabetes in that it’s really the final stage of a long process. Before diabetes, there is a progressing metabolic syndrome that can be reversed and pacified, but once it hits a threshold there’s really no going back – your body has essentially lost the battle.
          The same is true for celiac. Before your villi flatten, you can still experience any of a host of symptoms as side-effects of your body reacting to what is, to the intestine, a toxic substance. A stitch in time saves nine, so if you have a chronic issue like migraines, lactose intolerance (oddly enough), acid reflux and gerd, and the like it might help tremendously to experiment with gluten to see if it’s the culprit.

        6. I did not know that. I’ve been working under the assumption that gluten intolerance was just a bullshit excuse to be special to everyone within hearing range.

        7. I strongly disagree. It’s not just intolerance that causes problems in wheat.
          – It has a remarkable propensity for increasing insulin response, and alongside sugars is a prime culprit in developing diabetes (gluten-free alternatives to wheat are among the only things worse, so they must be enjoyed sparingly)
          – The oils in the kernel go rancid (and toxic) within a few days of harvest – this is why we didn’t stock whole grain breads until the morons got involved
          – Lectin (found in wheat) fucks with your gut flora (it has natural pesticidal properties), causes damage to intestines that reduces nutrient absorption rates, and inhibits the system that makes you feel full
          – The fiberous tissue in wheat acts as a sort of sponge for nutrients, absorbing and binding them to the part of the bread that becomes feces

        8. For many, it is. My sister seems to be psychosomatic because she wanted to fit in with me and my dad, and she gets really snooty about it.
          I’ve seen some questionable numbers, but it’s estimated that 1.8M are suffering from celiac in the US. This is based on the fact that, of known diagnosed celiac sufferers, 83% were previously misdiagnosed. On top of that, since intolerance is like pre-diabetic metabolic syndrome, it’s not a stretch to say 10x as many have a pre-celiac gluten intolerance.
          It’s nuts, because blood tests don’t work and even celiacs can be misdiagnosed on biopsy if they’ve gone off wheat already (they recommend you eat wheat daily for 6 weeks prior to testing).

        10. Government reimbursed WIC only approves whole grain wheat bread. Also a WIC check stipulates no organic peanut butterg only the processed veg oil variety.
          Note – no organic or natural homestyle peanut butter allowed:
          http://iwicprogram.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Maryland-WIC-Approved-Peanut-Butter.png
          Baby foods – no organic allowed
          http://iwicprogram.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Maryland-WIC-Approved-Infant-Fruit-Vegetables-and-Meats.png
          WIC is somewhat of a corporate ag sweetheart deal with the package foods industry. They do allot a token amt <$10 for farmers market vendors but the process formulas made by Glaxo Smith Cline, Bayer and Mead Johnson at $20+ a cannister take the majority of the kickback funds.

        11. If 1% of the population has celiac disease then we should really stop discussing it as if the word is in common knowledge. I have read estimates that faggotry naturally occurs in somewhere between 3% to 10% of a population, so if it’s more rare than being a fag, I really don’t want to even acknowledge I know what it means. Keep your shitty obscure medical problems to yourself, thank you very much! Let’s stick to topics that are relevant to the other 99% of us.

        12. @taignobias:disqus – What would you say about people whose lactose and gluten intolerance was fixed? It largely has to do with Digestive system imbalance and weakening.. that the west does not yet understand.
          PS: GMOs and Chem and bad diets aggravate it as well

        13. I have known several whose lactose intolerance was eliminated when they addressed the gluten intolerance. Apparently among many (at very least, many white people), lactose intolerance is a byproduct of gluten intolerance.
          I’ve not known one to have gluten intolerance eradicated in such a way. I would be interested in how that can be accomplished.

        14. Ayurveda – Research and you’ll find groups and examples – I friend of mine is undergoing treatment as we speak, in New Delhi. He had no problems in early life but his life style & health changed when he started flying a lot internationally.

      3. And when they’re done with their pretentious rant about health, they drink a bottle of marsh mellow Smirnoff and smoke a bowl.

        1. Check your breathing privilege you cis-sinus shitlord

        2. A quick story. I worked the ER triage one night and asked this moon bat if she had any food or medication allergies. Her response was: “No, but I’m sure I should have something”. I’ve had people come in with extensive lists of their “allergies” which include: air and water (I kid you not).

        3. @disqus_msa3rssjxJ:disqus – ha ha! love the handle.. Mind also creates allergies – The WHO said in some study that a large part of diseases are psychosomatic – caused by some thing in the mind –
          Its akin to the guy who is not sick getting pissed with the doc because doc said you’re fine you dont need no pills.

        4. Exactly. “You’re depressed” says the Doc. “I’m depressed, I can’t work”, so they go on social assistance, have no money or goals and then cry about how their life sucks. I call it “grab your crutch and hang on!”. The list is endless for people using excuses for not being productive in their lives. Being a nurse, I occasionally get these idiots at a social function trying to tell me their laundry list of conditions etc. I shoot them down quicker than a missile. They always appear shocked that the sympathy train left the station. The biggest piece of BS is the fibromyalgia catch-all diagnosis. Take note how many are female and overweight.

        5. Agreed. I think the problem is extremes.. Too much welfare and other side no assistance at all. What needs to happen is correct flavors of EMPOWERMENT – Dont give hand outs.. Put them on “transformation” and “empower” PS: American Food system is a whole other can of worms that screws everything about people – Bad foods affect how you feel & think..

        6. On social assistance? No problem. You MUST volunteer at least three times a week for at least four hours at a time. On social assistance with children? No problem. No more breeding. Why would my tax money go to you because you haven’t figured out birth control or self control. After all, this is not a third world rural village where no health services exist.

        7. And those people fend for themselves. My thinking is welfare should be about temporary relief, and re-integration into productivity, not a forever freebie.

      6. @lolknee:disqus – What I wrote above.. fucked up foods and fucked up digestive systems and fucked up fundamentals on food, health and all of the above

      1. according to M night shamalan, they are conspiring against you…

    3. I don’t doubt it, but I’m also curious how much the grain itself has changed over the course of genetic modification for the past few decades. Sure, we get more yield every year out of it, but could the proteins have a different chirality or composition?

    4. I lease some acreage to local farmers who grow corn and soybeans (depending on what cycle they are in with land management), and they don’t use roundup. Hell they barely use fertiliser and have a very interesting high tech fertiliser that goes by data from soil samples so that it puts only a very small amount of precisely the right kinds of fertilisers on the soil where the machine is moving over. Talking ‘terraforming’ levels of tech here. This isn’t to say that many don’t do just what you note, but it’s not true for everybody.

      2. Even if one must use some sort of pesticide, there are many options, from totally normal household products like vinegar to powdered lime and things which are not dangerous for humans to consume in small quantities. I have a small garden and my state has an agricultural officer in every county, usually tied to the local Ag school, and they will offer free advice on how to combat whatever problem you are having. Recently told me about some safe product I could use for caterpillers that started with a D… I didn’t buy any as I have some spare kratom I sprinkled on the leaves but they are a good option for those without a K hookup.

    5. Most farmers I know use decent equipment, and use those chemicals sparingly, however there is a portion that overdo it and use 10 times what is needed.

    6. Roosh, if you read the article, it states that this is a strategy only used in certain circumstances and mainly in Britain. Roundup and other ag products are simply not the cause of gluten allergies.

      1. The article is written by a Brit, hence all the emphasis on the UK. Nowhere does it say mainly in Britain. Here’s how you can tell, the author uses ‘maize’ instead of ‘corn’.
        I think the idea is not that Roundup causes gluten allergies but that possibly some people don’t do well with wheat not because of gluten allergies but because of the Roundup in it.

        1. “The application of glyphosate differs between countries significantly. It is commonly used in the UK where summers are wet and crops may ripen unevenly. Thus in the UK 78% of oilseed rape is desiccated before harvest, but only 4% in Germany.”
          This implies that Britain’s use of Roundup in this role is unusually high compared to other countries. So, “mainly” is accurate here. I’ve never seen this done here in the US or even heard of this use for roundup.
          Whether you and Roosh use the term allergies or “…people’s problem with “gluten” and wheat products.” is irrelevant. There’s no Roundup in wheat. It’s a fallacy. Roundup is used almost exclusively as a pre-emergence herbicide. It kills weeds and grasses before the wheat stem pushes up through the soil, long before the kernels are formed.
          Stuff like this is mainly the result of people who don’t know what they’re talking about developing all kinds of crank ideas that proliferate on the internet like so many other silly rumors.

        2. The Wankopedia figures for UK and Germany imply nothing about the US. You’ve never seen it or even _heard of_ this use? This has been alleged since 2012 or so, you are apparently ill-informed. What is your occupation?
          You are the one who used the term gluten allergies: “Roundup and other ag products are simply not the cause of gluten allergies”. Neither Roosh nor I stated Roundup causes allergies, as you claim we did. I believe it messes up your intestinal flora:
          “179 Abstracts with Roundup (herbicide) Research”
          http://www.greenmedinfo.com/toxic-ingredient/roundup-herbicide
          Apparently this is an off-the-book usage of round-up, so farmers might be reluctant to talk about it:
          “I have been a wheat farmer for 50 yrs and one wheat production
          practice that is very common is applying the herbicide Roundup
          (glyphosate) just prior to harvest. Roundup is licensed for preharvest weed control. Monsanto, the manufacturer of Roundup claims that application to plants at over 30% kernel moisture result in roundup uptake by the plant into the kernels. Farmers like this practice because Roundup kills the wheat plant allowing an earlier harvest.
          A wheat field often ripens unevenly, thus applying Roundup preharvest evens up the greener parts of the field with the more mature. The result is on the less mature areas Roundup is translocated into the kernels and eventually harvested as such.
          This practice is not licensed. Farmers mistakenly call it ‘dessication.’ Consumers eating products made from wheat flour are undoubtedly consuming minute amounts of Roundup. An interesting aside, malt barley which is made into beer is not acceptable in the marketplace if it has been sprayed with preharvest Roundup. Lentils and peas are not accepted in the market place if it was sprayed with preharvest roundup….. but wheat is ok.. This farming practice greatly concerns me and it should further concern consumers of wheat products.”
          http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/2012/01/a-wheat-farmer-weighs-in-on-wheat-belly/

    7. My dad is a farmer, and completely incapable of even believing that the shit they have to suit up and spray on might by harming the whole nation. Its even more impressive when he can tell me all the old good practices in farming that they’ve abandoned-crop rotation, leaving it fallow, etc. He trusts his seed man. Of course the fraud comes from the top, not from the bottom.

    8. @Roosh_V:disqus – Yes. One of the issues. There’s a whole list of “fuck ups” that the modern industrial processing has been doing from start of the century – Read about “beri beri” disease from early part of century when machined/ semi-automated ground “white bread” / “refined” flour became more accessible to people.
      Old is gold when it comes to food systems.
      The other key thing is “digestive & lymphatic” systems as very well understood by Ayurveda (herbal / medicinal/ nutritional sister science to yoga) and go deeply into pros and cons of every plant & meat and how it affects you (pros & cons of the same in different seasons and consumption portions) – E.g. Watermelon at 3pm in hot tropical summer – great – as cooling etc, same at night in Winter – bad .. what’s good at that time is a warm soup with warming herbs – pepper, ginger, cinnamon etc.
      How one’s diet “style” should change across seasons and so on.
      As per Ayurveda, allergies and intolerance are nothing but the digestive systems “fire” not having the strength to deal with whats coming – can happen due to many factors. Inability to process, due to prior imbalances and/ or causing new ones.

  2. Obesity also rose remarkably around the time that food processors started replacing fats with sugars to save us all from heart attacks and we were told to stop eating eggs because of their cholesterol. Food science has come a long way but it’s still in the dark ages.

    1. True, and these foods are a huge factor, but we can’t rule out advances in home entertainment making children more sedentary and the general faggotization of men who no longer feel that physical activity is an important part of life as at least contributing factors if not equally culpable.

      1. I’ve lead a sedentary lifestyle coupled with eating garbage food on a daily basis for the majority of my life and it has done a lot of damage to my body and mind. A year ago I decided to start doing something about it. I’ve progressed a lot since then, but I wish I could go back in time and listen to the people who kept telling me to stop playing video games and go out and do any kind of activities.
        There’s no denying that bad things are being put into food, but for the most part fat people have only themselves to blame for their situation, and that’s an important factor to take into account.

        1. One of my favorite quotes ever is “the best time to plant a tree is 10 years ago. The second best time to plant a tree is today” I salute your motivation to get yourself on the right track. The idea that we are all just going to be on point is insane. It isn’t our flawed pasts and our former errors that define us, it is what we do once we see the error of our ways and what we make of our futures.

        3. “There is surely nothing other than the single purpose of the present moment. A man’s whole life is a succession of moment after moment. If one fully understands the present moment, there will be nothing else to do, and nothing else to pursue. Live being true to the single purpose of the moment. Everyone lets the present moment slip by, then looks for it as though he thought it were somewhere else. No one seems to have noticed this fact. But grasping this firmly, one must pile experience upon experience. And once one has come to this understanding he will be a different person from that point on, though he may not always bear it in mind. When one understands this settling into single-mindedness well, his affairs will thin out.”
          Yamamoto Tsunetomo, Hagakure

        8. Never was a big Souls fan but the Victorian Era/Lovecraftian spin definitely made the game more enticing.
          Oh well, I had Witcher 3 to compensate for the disappointment.

        9. I play RPG’s every now and then. Tyranny and Tides of Numenera are good ones with a lot of deep philosophy. Planescape Torment is highly recommended.

        10. Thanks, I’ll put them in my wishlist. It’s been over a year since I last played a game, might try something now.

        12. Same same. When I was a kid I thought that “not being athletic” was an acceptable explanation for being sedentary…
          And THEN factor in all the food ignorance….

        14. I didn’t know you’ve been lifting weights for 15 years. Damn, that’s totally awesome, bro.

        15. There are way too many shitty advices out there. I’m thankful for the internet for providing me with tons of useful information that I might’ve never gotten elsewhere.

        16. the world needs more bullies- they keep the would be fatties lean and mean

        17. Bullies are the unsung heroes of the world. Not everybody can handle them, and there are extreme situations, but they are a necessary evil.

      3. My grandfather used to wipe the fat out of the bacon pan with a piece of bread. Then again, he would then go work on the farm for 14 hours.
        I ate a lot of crappy bread and sandwiches this weekend, but I was outside training dogs for three 12 hours days. While the bread did fill my stomach and kept me energized, I felt it. I was blocked up like mother fucker until I got home and got some greens and veges in me.

        1. I do the same thing, only my “bread” is scrambled eggs. Those things can soak up an absurd amount of fat (and, with fat in the pan, the eggs don’t stick and burn).

        2. I have no qualms now about wiping bacon fat out of a pan with bread and while I am currently only eating bread once a week, when I go back to a more balanced macro diet over the fall and winter will gladly do that. Now my one day a week carb reload is usually either a huge Italian sangwedge or an entire brick oven pizza. What I won’t eat, to dip or otherwise, is bread you buy at a grocery store and that stays good for a month in the house. If that shit isn’t growing mold in 3 days you have a problem. But that isn’t crappy food, that is simply NOT food. As for crappy, like you point out, your level of activity and your goals regarding your body are important. My diet from yesterday
          Breakfast 2 scoop protein shake and large iced coffee
          Snack: 2 hard boiled eggs
          Lunch: Meatballs made with turkey and pork (total weight 1 pound)
          Snack: Whey Protein Bar
          Dinner: meat omelette. 1/2 pound of Jamaican jerk ribs and 1/2 pound roast beef chopped together, cooked up in butter and then 3 eggs dumped over the top with feta cheese
          My activity level was 2.5 hours weight lifting and 1 hour of cardio

        4. Yeah, the bread aisle bread is crap.
          I think of cultures that bake bread daily like France or even right before the meal like India, and we have this stuff designed for shelf life.

        5. “Then again, he would then go work on the farm for 14 hours.”
          ^This. Olympic swimmer Michael Phelps eats 10,000+ calories per day. When we get obese patients in the ER, I do not feel sorry for them as being sedentary was a personal choice.

        6. The French buy bread twice a day! By the evening the morning bread is no longer fresh enough!

    2. The Leydig cells inside the testes use cholesterol as a building block to create testosterone. I wouldn’t be surprised if the higher homosexuality rates in men coincided with the decreased dietary cholesterol intake.

    3. Fat free will usually end up making you more fat, and will definately make you more unhealthy. Fat is one of the 3 macronutrients, and it’s not evil (other 2 being carbs and proteins). So when you lower fat you are by definition increasing either carbs or proteins. There are plenty of these diet scams (the Atkins no-carb diet implies that you must eat MORE fat!)
      Fat provides most of the flavor and satiation of food. So when you remove fat, you remove all the flavor, so typically these low fat foods are loaded in sugar and salt, which is worse for you than the fat. I always buy full fat foods. If it’s not whole fat yogurt, I’m not buying it. If the first ingredient in ice cream is skim milk, it’s going back on the shelf.
      I do have good genes but even if I don’t work out I’m never more than 5-10 pounds overweight and that easily goes away when I’m hitting the gym as I am now. Eat real butter, real full fat milk and cream, avoid processed foods. Go natural every time.

  3. The entire food industry and the connections to obesity, hormone issues, chemicals, and related issues…. its all such a mess and overall so bad for us individually and as a species…. it almost seems purposeful.

    1. It absolutely is purposeful. It’s purpose is profit. I don’t think anyone wants to make people sick, necessarily. It’s the greed that makes people do these things.

  4. I switched to Mexican coke for one reason alone no high fructose corn syrup.

  5. Monsanto also has former employees working for the FDA now, it’s just a revolving door for both sides to switch back and forth.

  6. Simple ingredients. If the food ingredient list is like a chemistry set, then it’s not something you should be consuming on a regular basis.

    3. Its not that simple- how would I know if the food was sprayed with Roundup or not? They spray that on everything now

      1. Organic farmers, farmer’s markets, etc. You can talk directly to the farmer face to face and ask.

        1. not that simple for cityslickers. They exist, but I cant go into the city an schlep 40 lbs of groceries with me back to the outer boroughs(no parking lots in manhattan for us proles)

        3. Organic doesn’t mean pesticide free, unfortunately. Most farmers use some kinds of chemical deterrents and treatments. In my experience, local farmers are happy to tell you all about the ones they use and why.

        4. yup. For those of you here in the city aching to get your hands on that good farmer grown stuff, make sure you get to the union square market on the weekends where you can get everything from elk to carrots to honey and anything else in between, shake the hand of the person who grew it, ask the questions you want to ask and still pay less than most grocery stores. As GOJ points out above, when you can look the farmer in the face and say “tell me about these eggs” you are on a much better level in life.

        5. What? Go to union square market, buy food, take cab home if it is 40 pounds. Otherwise, ride bicycle home.

        6. ride back to brooklyn??? Its a bit far with groceries. Not like I have a bike with a basket(I dont even own a bike)

        7. Oh Brooklyn. I thought you said New York.
          I thought you couldn’t sneeze without hitting something organic in that section of Long Island.
          And if not, the L will take you directly to the union square market

        8. haha dick! something absurd about me calling uber to drive me thru the midtown tunnel because muh groceriez

        10. you didn’t really think I was gong to let you get away with calling Brooklyn “New York” did you B&TBurger?

        14. Pro-tip:
          That is arguably the only setting where you can look someone in the face and say “tell me about these eggs”.

        17. “Organic” is a check-box certification process which, like anything legislated can be gamed.

        23. cant believe he rides the subways with groceries. only elderly chinese women do that(I think its a law)

        24. hahahaha- you ever hear of Howe Caverns? man, when I was a kid, there were little signs advertising that place all over NY state(even if it was hours away by car)

        28. Cooperstown region I think. part of the tour was on a motorboat on an underground river…stopped the boat dangerously close to a waterfall…even as a kid I thought “man, it the engine conks out, we will all be living in the Land of the Lost…”

        31. Heh! Excellent!. Only warn me next time because blowing red wine out my nostrils really hurts and makes a mess.

        33. Yes. They can’t have an entire herd/flock wiped out. The credible ones use only the minimum needed.

        34. With apple trees, all you have to worry about is the apple ‘ermine’ moth webs:
          https://image.shutterstock.com/z/stock-photo-yponomeuta-malinellus-or-apple-ermine-moth-larvae-colony-web-on-apple-tree-close-up-macro-433014478.jpg
          You can hand pick the webs off the branches with your fingers before they grow large and cover the tree. If the tree is low pruned properly and producing, the trees can be cleaned one by one by your wives and children. In a large orchard with many trees, farmers without sufficient children will import up to 25 migrant workers to spray toxins and pick the apples. How terrible!
          With a big orchard to go organic and keep it family centered and profitable, you need at least 3 wives and 15 offspring. A sensible farmer should have more than one wife and he should pump the shit out of all of them as well, harvesting every egg for offspring.
          Big families for the sake of having a big family is absolutely justified if you own a farm, but a large family can be very burdensome in a restricted suburban setting with no arable land. I met a homeschooling christian family in suburbia where the dad had one woman and 8 kids. They were living in a subdivision of 1/8 acre lots. Family life for them was all an expendature, the mother going in circles all day to baseball and other sports circus while the father worked like a stiff. I told them they needed LAND, farming knowledge and a sisterwife. I broke it to them kindly and the dad smirked and surprisingly the wife didn’t blow up or percolate either. She smiled at me like I was Jesus Lesko with all the solutions again. A suburban man having 8+ kids on no arable land with one woman, christian homeschooling with a stretch dodge van is a futile endeavor. You need land if you have even 5+ kids. Many actual large plot farmers unfortunatey only have 2-3 children and then they contract migrants if it’s a fruit orchard. Also modern divorce rape stats are outrageous with family farm wives today. They abandon the nest and jew divorce attorneys drool over liquidating the last remaining family farms. Nashville jew pop country music also does its share of warping the farm wives as they sit watching CMT.
          Still, you absolutely need a farm to justify 7+ kids and you need 7+ kids to work a farm without migrants. The old dixie south nigger plantation system was dispicable. Not one white sisterwife to be found and every damn southern belle plantation heir was pedestalized worse than Princess Di. There was no divorce rape industry back then but white knighting grew out of the old southern aristocratic labor outsourcing oligarchy. It doesn’t matter how beautiful a white woman is. She needs dickwhipped like a bad mule and bred out the ass.

        36. Interesting, I’ll keep those familial logistics in mind when I start one.
          I don’t think I’ve seen those moths on the old apple trees out back (I live in one of my grandfather’s old hay fields that was an orchard 60+ years ago), but I’ll keep an eye out when I harvest ’em this fall, if the deer don’t get there first. Since the riding mower broke down they’ve been sleeping in the backyard, but haven’t touched my veggie garden (I sprinkle it weekly with bloodmeal).
          I’ve noticed a lot of contemporary country is whining about women troubles and pedalizing them. Makes me kinda sad.

        37. Any sort of family run busines keeps ths parents and siblings clannish and tight. Even a family owned restaurant. Conversely franchise eateries that hire outside help are chock full of minimum wage drama.

      1. My grandmother would beat your ass. She has mason jars of sauce dating back to god knows when in the cellar. If you go down there it actually looks like a SNL skit about Italian doomsday preppers.

    1. Grass is for cattle. Cattle take inedible plants and make them into food for people. Cattle should not eat grains. That puts them in competition with people for food.

        1. Cattle eating grains is an abomination created by industrial farming. I am old enough to remember when cattle were only fattened on corn for the last month or so of their life. Feeding them corn and soy as soon as they’re weaned is a new practice.

        2. haha, people don’t get that “grass fed beef” shouldn’t even have to be a thing….the appropriate answer to “is this beef grassfed” ought to be “god good man, of course it is! What the hell else would we feed a fucking cow”

        3. The book “Real Food. What To Eat And Why” has great information expanding on this.

      2. As I understand it cattle are fed corn just to fatten them up, for well-marbled steaks.

  8. So… how to stay safe? I got money to spare so it isn’t an issue but I don’t want to chow down on poison we call “food”.
    Ecology? Never I am not a fucking hippie.

    1. The only solution is to know where your food comes from. Growing your own isn’t really feasible unless you have a lot of land and a lot of time and ideally some cheap labor. For most of us, buying from local farms is the best solution.

      1. One problem I heard about was that since McDonalds is the largest purchaser of beef, lettuce and tomatoes in the world and since they like consistency across the board in their chains, that most meat is to McDonalds standards as they are the primary customer so the T-bone you buy at your grocery store is really just more McMeat. Buying organic from local farms who have a reputation for steering clear of the big business angle of the racket and sticking to meat and eggs and dairy and no processed food is worth the little extra dough every day of the week

        1. And you can talk to local farmers. We’re part of a CSA which means we have to help out on the farm a little bit every year. That means we see how the place is run and my kids know where their food comes from. Even the sausage. And I get to talk to the farmer about his practices. It’s hard to lie to your customer when you’re face to face.

        2. YES! After all this shit about Foie Gras I actually took a trip up to the Hudson Valley Foie Gras producers. After meeting the lovely owners and a lot of the staff, touring the grounds, meeting a lot of the workers there I feel absolutely no qualms in eating their product. While I didn’t tour, I feel the same way about the Berkshire Pork and the poultry from Mulligan Farms because of their sterling reputation and having known the owners of Hepworth Farms all my life I would never think twice when buying their produce. It costs more to have properly farmed food by farmers and growers who truly care about what they do, but it also costs a lot to be fat, diabetic and riddled with cancer. If we don’t make a priority of the food we eat wrt how we spend money they wtf are we going to work for right?

        4. I bet there’s people raising chickens and goats in the backwater parts of NYC.

        5. I’ve lived in this city all my life and nothing would surprise me

      1. I’d turn my entire front lawn into a garden if the old biddies in the HOA wouldn’t get their panties in a twist over it.

        1. My whole back yard would be garden if I had a back yard. But I’ve got tomatoes and potatoes on the walled-in back patio, so at least that’s nice.

        3. 5 gallon bucket from the hardware store. You lay down about two inches of potting soil and bury the potatoes about halfway down. When they get about five leaves up there, you cover up to the top leaf.
          Repeat until the bucket is full, then give it a month or two. Potatoes actually grow off the stem more than anything, so routinely covering the plant vastly increases your yield.

  9. One of the few reasons Im excited for fall is the apple harvest. Got a dozen or so ancient apple (and even a few pear) trees scattered about the fields- 60 years ago it was an orchard- that I plan on brewing into a nice apple stout.

  10. what about the spraying in the sky? article was actually in the NY TIMES, admit they are spraying us like crops with aluminum, barium, other nasty stuff. Tinfoil hats guys were right again

    1. Today’s tinfoil hat guy is tomorrow’s “Everybody knows that already” guy…

      1. I’ve turned into a tinfoil hat guy ever since I played the Deus Ex games. There is so much truth everywhere that is hidden between the lines. Reminds me of the saying, “there are none so blind as those who will not see.”

        3. Graduation time. Next level at hand…
          Just like when you get to the next level in a video game…

        4. I think someone on this site posted a link to something similar from the early metal gear games

  11. One thing not said about Glyphosate, or Roundup, is that it’s used for much more than weed control.
    When it gets near harvest one technique used to time harvests of things like Chickpeas or other legumes is to spray it out with Roundup. This browns out the plant so it’s dry for harvest.
    Think that the Glyphosate does not make it into the seed?
    Further, while the Sweet corn you buy for roasting is not GMO in the US, the feed corn is. The GMO effects are felt by animals far more. The chicken, pork, and beef you eat is feed GMO feed corn, and experiences the gut biology and blood sugar imbalances first hand. Medicated feed is even more in demand because the gut biology of the animals in the feedlots is populated by the worst sets of bacteria that thrive from the high sugar/GMO crops.
    HFCS is made from feed corn. ’nuff said.
    You like mayonnaise? Almost all Soy and Canola is GMO in the US. Enjoy the Glyphostae and phytoestrogens. If you can get Organic Canola or Avocado mayo, it’s worth the price.
    As other commenters here have noted, know your local farmer. Also, cut the carbs from your life. 90% of your problems or potential problems with food will disappear.

    1. To add, HFCS also has the negative consequence of being high in fructose. Glucose is digested readily, but fructose is converted by the liver to fat and stored along your organs as visceral fat. High amounts of visceral fat are correlated with non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, heart attacks, arthritis, and other diseases commonly associated with age (but in younger and younger people).

      1. What about veggies? Starches? With some fruits? Like John McDougall recommendations. Check Neal Barnard, Michael Greget, Joel Fuhrman etc Campbell

        1. Take a look at the sugar content of such things. It takes two apples to reach the same caloric content of a single can of Coke, but we can agree that it’s much harder to eat two apples than to slug down 12 oz of sugar water.
          HFCS is about 55% fructose (compared to 50% in sucrose – table sugar). Potatoes and similar starches are much higher in glucose. Many vegetables have almost no appreciable sugar content (with carrots being one of the obvious exceptions).
          I will say that Joseph Campbell (if that’s the one you’re referring to) has been broadly debunked. My short glance at McDougall suggests his research may be somewhat spotty, as well (the degenerative properties of vegan diets and low-fat diets are well known).

        2. “Campbell”
          Are you perhaps referring to T. Collin Campbell, known for the China Study? If, so he’s been similarly debunked, much like Taignobias has said below about John Campbell.

  12. Eliminate wheat. Eliminate sugar (and high-fructose corn syrup).
    As if by magic, good things will happen…

    1. No shit, I believed for the most part of my life that it was a lot more complicated than that until I eliminated both sugar and wheat from my diet a year ago. Never looked back since. Amazing results. It really is that simple.

        1. Hell yeah. Same here. Strawberries and blueberries, very popular very underrated. Good rule of thumb, make a salad with solid dark colors (spinach, strawberries, blueberries), balsamic vinegar and olive oil.

        2. My tests have shown that strawberries will run up my blood sugar more than most berries, but all are better than most sweet things.
          Ever added dewberries or blackberries to home-whipped cream? It’s perhaps the best dessert I’ve ever had, and it doesn’t run up your numbers like most other desserts.

        4. I haven’t tried it. I don’t test my blood sugar. Should I?
          I can’t think of a berry that I don’t like. I’m not gonna lie, eating berries is like a semi-spiritual experience for me. I close my eyes and I say, “yeahhhhh get in there mother fucker… yeahhhhhhh.”

        5. They’ve got a bit of fructose, and our tongues really like fructose. Not even half as much as most fruits and nowhere near as much as sugar drinks, but they do have some.

        7. It’s fun to experiment. The kits are pretty cheap, and you can learn a lot about diet from studying how your body reacts to certain foods.
          If you already know that meat is good, saturated fat is good, and sugars/wheat are generally bad, though, it’s not super necessary.

        8. Let’s see right quick…
          1 cup strawberries is about 8g sugars (4g fructose).
          1 large apple is about 25g sugar (~14g fructose).

        10. Honestly, I’m a bit surprised myself. I didn’t realize just how sweet an apple was.
          Apparently the average banana weighs in at about 15g sugars (more-or-less 50/50 glucose and fructose), and I always thought they were supposed to be the really sweet fruit.

        11. I felt guilt about eating strawberries almost every day, and believed that my afternoon apple was somehow “better”.

        13. I can’t eat fruit if you put a gun to my head. My last holdout was grapes, green seedless, but I tried some of those again recently and got really sick to my stomach (I washed them first of course). I seem to have some really strong genetic predisposition to hate sweets of any kind and from any source. If you’re going to have a weird genetic trait, this is probably tippy top of the list to want to have, or so I’m told by basically every girl in the entire world.

        14. Apparently not, at least not from a sugar standpoint.
          Haven’t done the math on the nutrient content of them yet….
          Well, shut my mouth! According to nutritiondata.self.com, 1 cup strawberries has more vitamin C than apples, with the same negligible amount of other vitamins.

        15. Sounds great. As we speak, I am eating a bowl of blueberries, blackberries and raspberries. Will follow it up later with four or five pan-cooked pollock fillets (no butter, frozen, right into the pan). Then another pound of the berries later, and 10 ounces of albacore tuna. Distilled water and lemon juice, my only beverage. Ahhhhhh. So good!

        16. Only beverage? No Scotch? Irish Whiskey? Bourbon?
          Daaaayyyyuuummm….

        17. I’m largely the opposite: I am easily addicted to sweets. It took me a year to wean myself off of sodas, three years clean as a whistle, and a week to get hooked again (currently weaning back off again).
          Knowing this, I have to do my homework. If I take some strawberries and let them diffuse into a big jug of water, I get enough sugar to satisfy my cravings (to keep off the really bad stuff) without doing too much harm to myself. If I blend some really dark chocolate with berries and one banana using Bulgarian yoghurt and cream for a base, I get a smooothie that nullifies all my cravings without too bad a sugar hit (and a lot of healthy fats, to boot).

        19. Honest confession: I can’t stand bourbon. I’ll enjoy a nice rye or scotch, but something about bourbon hits my palate all wrong.

        20. It’s gotten so bad with me that it’s interfering with my one bad love-hate food, pizza (which I rarely eat any longer but which I wish I could eat daily). I can taste sugar in the pizza sauce, so I have to locate places that make their own sauces and don’t use sugar. I had to stop eating Ketchup about 2 years ago because the taste of the minute amount of sugars in it started making me sick to my stomach.

        21. That sounds rough. Have you ever blended ketchup with mayo and mustard as a sauce? I think that might work to cut the sweetness.

        23. No fluoride. Fluoride is highly toxic and it causes brain damage and brittle bone disease. Lemon juice keeps the body’s pH in perfect balance…it’s a natural cancer-fighter.

        24. I read somewhere that the whole “flouride toothpaste” thing originated with nuclear experiments. Flouride apparently shields the body from radiation to a degree, so they started flouridating the water and such for researchers and workers.
          But, the story goes, it was all hush-hush so they told the public it was good for your teeth and bones. Next thing you know, everyone “knows.”

        25. Good answer. I didn’t know they don’t add it to distilled. You know they’re even wrecking the Bullrun watershed with that stuff now. Shoe-horned it in when there was [bear piss] in the water.

        27. Eh, I don’t mind I guess, really. It’s not like I eat ketchup on many things so I don’t really miss it, it just surprised me when it happened.

        29. I helped a former girlfriend write a research paper on the effects of exposure to fluoride. Learned all kinds of ugly shit about it. It is a byproduct in the manufacturing of ceramics, fertilizers and heavy metals. It is literally (Hitler) scraped up off the floor of factories, and dumped into bags. Yummy. Fluoride was originally put in water in the German prisoner-of-war camps, or so the story goes, by IG Farben. It kept the prisoners docile.
          One major side-effect of ingesting too much fluoride, is that it accumulates on the bones of human beings, making them thicker…and way more brittle (skeletal fluorosis). Which is why so many old people fall and break their hips. I’ve seen photos of the skeletons of humans who had brittle-bone disease. They look like the skeletons of the Elephant Man. It also turns your teeth to chalk (dental fluorosis). It’s wickedly bad stuff.
          Look on a tube of toothpaste and it usually reads, “Call a poison control center immediately if ingested.” That’s our first clue…heh.
          The girlfriend I mentioned, she worked for SaskWater, in Canada, at a water treatment plant. She would dump 50-pound bags of sodium fluoride directly into the water supply, every so often – like clockwork. After I wised her up as to what fluoride was all about, and we wrote the paper, she started an initiative to ban fluoride from Saskatchewan’s water supply. Don’t know how that turned out…but that bitch was a keeper. Fluoride definitely ISN’T (a keeper).

        33. Not when I’m in strict-diet phase. When I go out after the smoke clears, and I’ve reached targeted weight and body goals? Hell yeah. But I’m on a 25-day plan right now. God I want a beer…no! Can’t do it!

      2. My wake up call was at the ER back in 2012 with blood pressure in the stroke range. The Dr. wanted to put me on meds and told me to cut out all salt. I don’t trust doctors (I had a retired doctor I respected tell me “Stay away from doctors, they will kill you.”), so I did my own research. I found out that high fructose corn syrup can cause elevated uric acid levels in your bloodstream and hypertension. I had noticed that I’d feel funny even if I ate a piece of cornbread or used a cough drop. So I cut all sugars and simple carbs out of my diet along with potatoes, rice, soda, sweet mixed drinks, bread, pasta, most fruit and even beans. Within 2 weeks my BP was down to 120 / 78 (it was 120 / 80 in my late teens). It has never gone back up. I weighed about 210 at the time with a 36″ waist and now I’m now down to 180 – 183 with a 32″ waist. I eat a lot of red meat, eggs (have my own free range chickens), healthy fats, raw nuts and salads. I drink water, black coffee and dry red wine. I do pump iron twice a week and swim in the summer, climb stairs in the winter. I’ll be 58 this year and didn’t feel this good in my twenties. I wish to hell I’d known this years ago…

        1. Red meat and chicken eggs. I think I’m gonna have to see if that’ll help me shake my tension.

        2. How much land would you estimate you need per chicken? I’ve thought about free-ranging once I have a place of my own, but I’ve never done the math.

        3. If you were made aware of this decades ago, a lot of “doctors” woulda been leaving money on the table…that Benz doesnt pay for itself

        4. Man, you’ve got that right! I had a compressed disk when I was 28 and they wanted to cut me and fuse it. I went to a chiropractor and got it straightened out. Here I am in my late fifties and still lifting on a routine basis. If I’d let them cut me I would have never done squats or deadlifts again, but they’d have made payments on their beach houses for sure…

        5. I don’t know for sure. I have seven acres with about five and a half under fence. That easily supports 23 sheep and about 35 chickens. The chickens mainly stay in about a two acre area and could easily live on less than that. I do feed some too, but in the summer they forage. You could easily have 20 to 25 birds on an acre.

        6. That’s a goal of mine as well. Free range chickens. The chicks eat all the insects in the yard. The eggs are packed with nutrition. I have never had free range chicken eggs but I hear great things. You don’t need land, just put them in front of your apartment and tell everyone to stay the fuck away from your chickens.

        10. Six chickens alone will find you with enough eggs every day that you won’t be able to give them away fast enough. A friend of mine has six and they stay in what would be considered a normal sized midwest back yard and are doing great.

        12. Yeah, like Homer Simpson: “And to all my friends and neighbors… get the hell off my lawn.” Turns on sprinklers.

        13. Fuck dude, I dunno, I don’t time them from the moment the egg starts to crown to the moment it hits the straw bed.
          Heh.
          Chickens mature REALLY fast. Like so fast it will amaze you. This buddy of mine bought all 6 as chicks and said that they appeared to be basically adults in half a year or less.

        14. Chiro keeps my dad coming back for 5 years. Dad gets second opinion. Cancer in back. Dies when I’m 17. Uncle threatens to kick Chiro’s ass. Chiro quits to start career making fishing tackle.

        15. Some are! And so are plenty of allopathic doctors too! I check them out pretty good before I’ll let one touch me…and chiropractors too. I fired that doctor that told me a needed to cut the salt out of my diet and found one that knew about the HFCS / hypertension connection. But I seldom go to the doctor. I practically have to have a limb cut off before I’ll go. I did have a double hernia repair last year, but I checked that surgeon out really good too. I was at the point of having my guts come out deadlifting so I had to do something. But he did great work and I was back lifting in six weeks, no complications. Sometimes you just don’t have a choice…

        17. Rural King (a joint around mid Ohio for, well, rural area stuff). I don’t know if there are chains outside of Ohio or not though.

        19. I eat lamb (grass fed, I raise), beef, some pork, chicken (free range, I raise) and four to six eggs a day. I use extra virgin olive oil on salads (or anything raw) and cook with either coconut oil or sesame oil if I’m doing an Asian stir fry. I do indulge in a protein shake with 5 gr. of creatine monohydrate, 1/2 tsp. local honey, 1/2 banana and goat milk every morning. I feel good 99.9% of the time. I am seldom sick and don’t let stress get to me. Life is good brother.

        20. Good for you brother! Glad to hear your’re healthy and feeling strong. Developing a firm grasp on proper nutrition is absolutely imperative, as well as learning to listen to your body – it will tell you exactly what it needs. High Quality Food is literally Race Fuel for your body and you’re body will always respond accordingly.

        21. I guess I was lucky then since the doctor I went to advised me to do exactly as you did to lose my weight, but I didn’t listen to him and instead listen to what everybody else around me was saying I should do. At least you’re living your life healthier than before.

        23. Oh yes. For over a year now I have not eaten sugar or carbs and have lead a much more active lifestyle. I’ve also started swimming for over month now. So far I’ve dropped 60 Kilograms(I don’t know how much they mean in pounds), which, for perspective, I was 155 kilograms when I started so it’s a massive progress. I weigh 95 now and working on making my body to be more muscular and athletic because with all that fat lost my body is a little saggy.
          Anyway, it’s changed my life drastically. Now I have confidence that I could never have when I was just a pile of walking fat.

        24. Wow! That is awesome my man! Your starting weight was right at 342 pounds, you’ve lost about 143 pounds and now weigh right at 209 pounds. Yes, that is massive progress. Kudos to you and keep up the good work! I have taken the essence of Mark Sisson’s primal lifestyle, combined it with Mark Rippetoe’s Starting Strength principals and added in a bit of P.D. Mangan’s advice for older guys and it’s working great for me. I do supplement fairly heavily too just to be sure and I’m seldom sick. I have a good friend that’s my age (late 50’s) that was in the kind of shape you were. He’s started following my advice and in a matter of a couple of months has already lost 31 pounds. He has about 100 pounds (about 45 Kg) more to go, but I really think he’s committed to do it and I’m keep after him. I will relate your story to him for encouragement.

        25. Thanks man, it’s been a wild ride but worth every effort. I’ve come to appreciate the hard path a lot more than the easy one. I wish your friend the best of luck.

        26. Doc was begging to cut open my knee. The same doctor told me she cannot sit Indian style after having ACL surgury, but insisted it must be done to me if I was going to have regular leg use. It turned out to be totally unnecessary. Be very very careful dealing with doctors. Their compensation does not align with your health.

      3. What I love about Woody is you wouldn’t know it from first glance, but he’s an ideal model for how to behave around women. Looks totally nerdy and beta but is a huge alpha, even if he has never stepped foot in the gym.

        1. People mistake the character fornthe man. Woody is a HUGE fucking alpha

    3. To avoid:
      Sugars. Wheat. Vegetable oils (seed oils – avocado, olive, coconut, and palm still okay).
      To limit:
      Gluten-free substitute foods (flours, breads, etc). Other grains (rice appears least bad). Legumes (unless sprouted and soaked).
      To wallow in:
      Saturated fats. Bacon. Eggs. Bacon. Fatty meats. Bacon.
      The health benefits to these rules are astounding.

      1. I wish I could find the website where I encountered it, but this British physician in the late 1800s promoted a similar diet, in terms of the saturated fats. One of the biggest scams of recent vintage was the “fat is bad for you” cultist meme. This physician did encourage people to eat bread as well, but in moderation. (Back when wheat wasn’t Frankenwheat.) According to him, saturated fats ramp up metabolism. If I can find his dietary recommendations, I will post them…just can’t locate it at the moment.

        1. The earliest I’ve read is Weston A. Price (a dentist) in the early 1900’s. He’s actually the man who discovered vitamin K2, but he called it “Activator X” because it was something that seemed to activate vitamins A and D.
          He went looking for cultures with good teeth, because he rightly assumed something was wrong with five-year-olds having massive tooth decay. When he found these cultures among the natives of Africa, Alaska (before we started shipping them grains), and the like was a diet consisting of fats, fish (where applicable), and organ meats.
          There’s a Weston A Price foundation that sells a vitamin butter that’s not half bad. It’s based on his work in the States, when he mixed a cocktail of A, D, and K2 into butter (they’re fat soluble) and slathered it on thin-sliced bread. Amazingly, he saw cavities could repair themselves if the diet had enough vitamins and the damage wasn’t too extensive.

        1. Doesn’t work that way, Kemosabe. That’s all a myth. Now if you eat lots of simple carbs with it, sure. My bloodwork numbers are perfect, and I mean perfect even if I was 19 year old college athlete. Blood pressure runs around 118/69 or so and my resting heart rate is in the mid to upper 50’s. This in my late 40’s.

        3. Problems with cholesterol levels and/or arterial sclerosis cant simply be genetic though – what aggravates it if not fats? Do carbs turn the fats evil?

        4. Triglycerides are the devil of cholesterol. They result from carbohydrate intake and cause inflammation (which is the root cause of arterial sclerosis).
          We do know that eating cholesterol does not cause cholesterol. We also know that an imbalance of omega-3 to omega-6 (common among consumers of vegetable oils, in particular) also increases triglyceride levels and correlates to inflamed tissues. And trans fats, being transformed fats that are almost always oxidized and rancid, cause all of these in spades.
          If you look at the methodology of studies showing a negative effect of saturated fats/meat consumption, you’ll find the “saturated fat” is usually about 50% trans fat or oxidized omega-6 and the “meat” is about half sugar.

        5. A cholesterol response causing atherosclerosis and heart disease has been credibly linked to Vitamin C deficiency. It’s more complicated than I can explain here, but most of our heart disease is the result of low level scurvy. Vitamin C will neutralize a lot of different toxins both from poor diet and external sources. When you are Vitamin C deficient, your body will attempt to compensate with cholesterol. Read “Stop America’s #1 Killer” by Thomas E. Levy. It is eye opening.

        6. Interesting. Certainly consistent with my historically high-fat, high-orange juice habits….

        7. Wasn’t indicating that there was a genetic link. Stating that the whole ‘fat clogs your veins’ thing is bunkum.

        9. No, I brought the genetic bit to this. Just what I’ve heard. And my cholesterol numbers are great despite a less than disciplined diet history.

        10. I re-read and see what you are saying now. Others below look like they’ve already answered so, well, there you go.

        11. My understanding is that genetics just indicate how sensitive you are to things, not necessarily whether or not you’ll have a problem. Genetics can say you will get diabetic with less sugar than the average American, but if you keep the sugars low you’d never know the difference.

        14. See. This is why I hate it today. We are in 2017 and we still cannot get over our dietary lifestyles. What about Dr John McDougall? Neal Barnard (look at him and his age)? Joel Fuhrman? Colin Campbell? Michael Greger? Are they all crooks? Where do you find sources of dietary information? Are the studies you check sponsored by industries or not? How those study were done? I check both sides of the coin btw. Im not all in extreme vegan but I did McDougall diet on myself and I noticed many differences, better breath, skin, I feel light and good all the time, I have lots of energy, my skin and hair is not oily anymore (first time in last 8 years I could not wash my hair for 1 day and you would not see the difference), my sweat does not smell and here when I eat chicken breast or some red meat my sweat will smell half day or a day later. Now I just made myself scrambled eggs and eat that while typing. I test those things on myself. On the bad sides? I noticed I got 2 canker sores in my mouth and it is probably due to too much fructose intake or citric fruits. I drunk a glass of water with half lemon, ate 1-2 kiwis daily lately, ate some grapes and apples. Maybe too much.

        15. Most orange juice is garbage.
          ..
          Cold pressed pineapple or watermelon juice is magnificent

        17. Once you start squeezing your own juice you’ll never buy the store bought stuff again. Even the “not from concentrate” stuff is fake. I buy the fruits in bulk from the farmers market, they are 1/2 to 1/4 the cost of buying oranges or grapefruits at the grocery store.

      3. Bacon is delicious. But I believe it’s rather unhealthy. I don’t know if it’s the processing with nitrates or what but I limit my consumption.

    4. Any good sources as to why wheat is bad? I’d like to read up on it. I rarely eat it, but lately I’ve started by buy fresh baked bread from the local bakery and am considering buying a bread maker. I will sometimes have toast with fresh preserves, or a grilled cheese sandwhich, probably eat less than 5 slices of bread a week. it seems to me we’ve been eating it for thousands of years as a staple, can it really be bad?

  14. Wandering outside the box for a minute here…
    “…we have a companion for life. We have a predator that came from the depths of the cosmos and took over the rule of our lives. Human beings are its prisoners. The predator is our lord and master. It has rendered us docile, helpless. If we want to protest, it suppresses our protest. If we want to act independently, it demands that we don’t do so…Indeed we are held prisoner! This was an energetic fact for the sorcerers of ancient Mexico. There is an explanation which is the simplest explanation in the world. They took over because we are food for them, and they squeeze us mercilessly because we are their sustenance. Just as we rear chickens in chicken coops, the predators rear us in human coops. Therefore, their food is always available to them.” – from The Active Side of Infinity, by Carlos Castaneda

    1. “I want to appeal to your analytical mind. Think for a moment, and tell me how you would explain the contradiction between the intelligence of man the engineer and the stupidity of his systems of beliefs, or the stupidity of his contradictory behavior. Sorcerers believe that the predators have given us our systems of beliefs, our ideas of good and evil, our social mores. They are the ones who set up our hopes and expectations and dreams of success or failure. They have given us covetousness, greed, and cowardice. It is the predators who make us complacent, routinary, and egomaniacal. In order to keep us obedient and meek and weak, the predators engaged themselves in a stupendous maneuver — stupendous, of course, from the point of view of a fighting strategist. A horrendous maneuver from the point of view of those who suffer it. They gave us their mind! Do you hear me? The predators give us their mind, which becomes our mind. The predators’ mind is baroque, contradictory, morose, filled with the fear of being discovered any minute now.” – from The Active Side of Infinity, by Carlos Castaneda

  15. With 8 mouths to feed on a single income, budget is very important for me. I know these articles mention cutting the carbs, but that is easier said than done. We have lots of rice, pasta, or homemade bread. Chicken and pork (beef is expensive, but a treat now and then). Lots of fruits and vegetables. What we don’t have is the prepackaged foods the Mono and Triglycerides type stuff is not only expensive, but will kill you. Most meals are made from the raw ingredients.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/173518c9bc4d8bb30007f20cdee4df8fb6173bf66dcc1ac5200a36dd0edb36bb.jpg
    This is us from last year, before the baby came, not a bad looking group eh?

        1. I will always see lolknee as a guy in a bowler hat with a green apple (??) covering his face…

        2. funny, I still see him as the gray no icon default face that he was for a while before he was finally talked into getting an ico

        3. I never looked closely at his avatar for a while. I used to think he was a Roman Bust at first.

      1. yeah @disqus_68anDuoclq:disqus great pic but CB is right here. Don’t need this out there.

        2. I think we get the message- Utah natives like the SF Giants for whatever reason
          frontrunners

        4. Only shirt your kid should wear is a keith van horn shirt. Worst fans right now are Giants fans(formerly Patriots fans, formerly Yankees fans).
          Smug self-satisfied tech dorks. glad their run is over

        6. Outside of local little league, I haven’t watched a baseball game in years.

        9. Good-lookin’ kids (and wife)…glad you took down the photo…see, let’s say they find out who you are…they start causing problems for you at work…then we have to dig holes in the desert, after asking for the godfather’s blessing to get rid of them…it’s just too time-consuming and messy.

      2. Never understood why people are not concerned about a facebook page that has their name, pictures etc. You still don’t know my name, or where I am, or anything else like that.

        2. I think the concern here is the negative press attention that this site gets. It certainly has the potential of causing bad real life things as we have seen with other people who were doxed.

        3. Jim, it’s out of concern that people here are telling you this…I believe you have a “job” job, right? So…let’s say your boss finds out your post here…nobody wants to see you get in hot water…that’s where this is coming from.

        4. spergs on 4chan figured out where a “we will not divide us” “art installation” by the actor shia lebouf was(Tennessee). They did crazy shit like analyze flight patterns(huh?) and they found out where his “flag” was…remarkable and scary at the same time

        5. I think we’re all worried about BIG RED’s sjw jamboree coming after any of us, Jim. That’s all. Good looking family, btw. I’m way jealous you have so many kids. I see the comment got ‘removed.’ After I read “freedom isn’t free” I still try to be vague about living in Oregon.

        6. Way too much work. I’d just cut a quick line of Kratom and will the location to appear before me.

        7. I suppose I have heard of stories like that. Crazy there is so much attention over some guys essentially bullshitting around a campfire.

        8. I think it is crazy too, but better safe than sorry of course. Even when they were talking about official meet ups I was thinking absolutely not. I live a relatively drama free life and would very much like to keep it that way.

        9. Oh, yeah, but even out here in TV land, the hills have eyes. It’s a downer, for sure. It’s age old, though. That one guy said, “oh, you have enemies? That means you stood up for something in your life.” So, here we are at that.

        10. I’d do a meet-up if it was covert-like as in the Canadian one in the book. Parks, codewords, etc. Of course we’d have to shake up the formula.

        11. See, I am at a stage in my life that if there had to be codewords involved in something I have zero interest in doing it.

        12. I’m also not drinking my Ovaltine, but I hope we can build toward some sort of seeable change or practical application of likemindedness. In my stage of life, it’s like everyone’s left their spine with the coatcheck, and I’m tired of being the only wolf around here.

        14. I endeavor to add such cloak and dagger to make my otherwise boring and controlled existence seem more provocative!

        16. Most guys on here think K is about getting ripped/huge. You’ve got the divergent spacetime aspect.

        19. I suggest realigning your perspective. Being the only wolf confers certain privileges…

        20. Now, normally I’d say that it’s insignificant compared to the power of the force, but fuk – we’re talkin’ kratom here!

        21. FACT: Kratom has as many midichlorians per gram as Luke Skywalker. I had him tested for comparative purposes.

  16. Easy solution.
    Get rid of all sugar. Period. No exceptions. Ever. And this even means trace levels in things like ketchup and BBQ sauces (not all, but some).
    Fried foods, verboten.
    Organic (the for real kind, not the ‘we’ll certify shit and call it organic just to make a sale’ kind)/farmers/farm to table type markets/foods. Get your food carbs only from green leafy veges.
    Lots of cold, clear filtered water that has not been stored in plastic.
    Scotch, or Martinis, not beer. Red wine is ok if you must (very low carb).
    I can, at times, drink like a fish and while I am not at my ideal weight as in ‘perfection’, I sure as hell don’t put it on like all of the lard asses around me. And if I take a week off from the sauce I’m back down to prime fighting trim in short order.
    Ta da.
    EDIT: By fried I mean breaded and fried. Frying eggs it absolutely fantastic, as is bacon or sausage.

      1. I’m not familiar with the name/diet but I’ll give it a looksee, thanks!

        1. The question with the Ferriss diet is whether or not there are cheat days and if so do you call them Ferriss Diet Day Off?

        5. On the Ferriss Diet you eat a lot of protein and fat and very little carbs. I go directly to Abe Froman for most of my meals.

      1. I didn’t exclude eggs at all. I love eggs. And bacon. Mmmmmm…. I mean fried food as in ‘breaded and fried’.

    3. I know it is a fad, but I liked doing the Whole30 program so much I did it twice. Aside from the massive weight loss that came with it, it does cleanse your body and let you experience what food does to you.
      Now that I know what my body will do and feel like without sugar or processed foods, its easy to not eat those. Once you learn the rules, you can break them and occasionally eat the not so healthy delicious things and still maintain your health.

    5. Sugar is the greatest addictive substance we have now. It is unhealthy and a venue for the food industry to make a profit.
      Have you read “Sugar Blues” by William Dufty? He was Gloria Swanson’s last husband. She was integral tot he creation and promotion of the book preaching the detriments of sugar.

    6. High sugar diets induce earlier menstruation in females. Part of this hypergamy craze is due to sex hormones being experienced by 10 year old girls who are still mentally children.

    7. I prefer scotch to bourbon, and I wonder if the corn used for my Blantons and Bookers is GMOed. At least the barley in scotch isn’t.

    8. I avoid sugar in almost every product I buy, but I do have a sweet tooth. I think if one is consciously avoiding consuming sugar in bread, sugar in meatloaf, sugar in ketchup, sugar in the hundreds of products you are regularly consuming on a daily basis, then it’s ok to have a dessert sweetened with sugar.
      I don’t even like super sweet deserts. I will make homemade oatmeal raisin cookies with 1/2 the sugar or less that the recipe calls for and they are still sweet, but they taste much more like a hunk of granola and are good for you. I can eat them for breakfast. I eat dark chocolate which has a much lower percentage of sugar and is supposedly good for you.
      But I do also consume things like ice cream that I’m sure are loaded with sugar. I should probably cut it out but every man has his vices…

  17. Oh! I should have said this right off the bat! My friend with Autism can’t eat bread here in Washington state, but he can eat breads, pastas, and grains each summer in Itally with his folks. He doesn’t get sick at all there.

    1. most Italians eat pasta and bread from the original dwarf wheat- most of the rest of us eat a hybrid wheat developed in the 1950s

        2. Is that similar to the difference between Facebook and it’s Italian counterpart, Shutuppa Yer Facebook?

        4. I believe the proper parlance is shutuppa YOU facebook

        5. Everyone who doesn’t try to take me to Olive Garden will live longer.

      2. Wheat isn’t hybridized it’s open pollinated and no gmo wheat is available…..yet.

        1. seems like this is in your wheelhouse, but, from what Ive read, there was a famine in China and India in the 1950s, someone developed a hybrid in order to increase yield and help with the food issues in Asia. I know he won the Nobel Prize for his efforts. Some think our newfound issues with digesting wheat products started back then. If this is hookum, Im all ears

        2. Don’t have time to research at the moment but, wheat grown here
          (Georgia) is soft red winter wheat that is all open pollinated. There are other kinds, durum, hard red, white and spring wheat among others I suppose some of those that I’m not familiar with could be.
          Just doing a quick search I couldn’t find anything credible about hybridized wheat, the guy you may be thinking of was probably Norman Bourlog, he developed many varieties of wheat in his day but it was still just open pollinated.
          I don’t think most of today’s problems is the wheat itself but what’s done to it in processing.

        3. I know that modern durum has been at least hybridized to allow for faster harvests. Classically, it had to be about 5′ tall to be viable, but now we can harvest at more like 1.5′.
          But who knows exactly what’s happened to the wheat that shows up on the shelves at the grocers? Between the strains, the treatments during growth, the harvesting process, and processing, any number of factors could influence the final product.

        4. Enriched, bleached, added preservatives and no telling what else.

        5. It could be the fumigation after storage. Or all the digestive problems people have could be due to a combination of factors that lead to wheat allergy.

  18. I’m not going to start an argument at the moment because I’m too busy doing agribusiness.
    Unless people want to start back working in the fields for chump change none of this is going to change. That farmer wearing overalls, carrying a pitchfork with a third grade education went out of business in 1938. There aren’t flocks of chickens out in the farmyard anymore and nobody pulls weeds much nowadays. It may not be better but, it is what it is and as much as I would like to go back to the way it used to be, it ain’t happening.

    1. Almost did get me a job for three hos and a cot. Then my ex lost the kids and I got them. Mexicans, man. Beaners. Industrious and decent fathers. That’s who no one’s hiring now. Ever look into those “ubuntu” free food trade videos. Just as crazy and fantastic and idealistic as Sanders, but at least when they eat bread in South Africa, they don’t have to worry about the gluten. Everything else, yes, but not the gluten.

      1. There isn’t a Mexican within 100 miles of here who isn’t employed at the moment, unless he just wants to be.
        100 bucks a day cash, two meals, lodging and transportation to and from work every day, not a bad deal, well except for the working part.

  20. One factor that occurs to me is if you’ve ever made bread you can see how it’s nothing like mass-produced sandwich bread.
    I noticed some years ago, they typically have gluten on the ingredients label, so they’re actually injecting extra gluten so it can have that super soft and spongy texture. It could be people are just getting unnatural doses of it.
    Also, traditional peoples would have more often have soaked or malted grains before grinding them. Any seed has toxins in its shell meant to protect it. When you trick a seed into preparing for germination you get it to lower its chemical defenses, which makes it more palatable.
    I find even with beans like lentils that don’t have to be soaked beforehand, soaking overnight does away with most legume flatulence.

    3. Agreed, most of our bread is home made. We have this wheat grinder and make it from scratch. Even your standard “wheat flour” is processed to bring the gluten out. We will typically do 1 cup store bought flour to 4 cups ground flour. I enjoy the consistency, but it does make you wonder.

  21. There was a study, which appears to have been memory-holed, that the rise in gluten intolerance showed a strong link to the widespread use of glyphosate on crops and the damage it does to intestinal flora.
    Of course, Monsatano vehemently denies this, but it seem a perfect logical vector to study.

    1. That was a poorly done study since the crops that produce gluten are not glyphosate tolerant so, they aren’t sprayed with it.

      1. Well, wheat is often sprayed right before harvest as a dessicant even though it is not Roundup tolerant. See other posts here.

  22. Don’t believe everything you read on the internet. There are everything from misleading articles and shady science all the way up to downright lies about this sort of thing out there and sometimes its hard to sort through it all. It has begun to be a politicized subject on the level of global warming/climate change-OMG EVERYTHING IS GOING TO KILL YOU

  23. The alt right should branch out into the natural living/organic food vertical. There are most certainly conspiracies going on here. It can be a way to appeal to women and bring them into the ethnonationalistic front. We on the alt right should be hyper focused on expanding on base of support to promote our message.

    1. Alex Jones does that. Ron Paul even mentioned raw milk. I like Trump. but the foodies are one group he ha not really appealed to. Actually, I was driven to gardening and alternatives because I hated Bush and Dick Cheney. I became a “foodie leftist” and from there, a mystic gardener. It was only a matter of time before I realized that leftist materialism and atheism (and the commie left) were bigger enemies of what mattered than the right. Listened to Alex Jones for a few years, switched from dem to libertarian, now alt-right republican Trump supporter.
      But food is the way into the door for the alt-right.

      1. I remember the raw milk farmers getting swatted a few years ago. It was before the Cliven Bundy hit job but it was just as much an overreach of fed hubris and just as disgraceful. I think it’s the first time you saw FDA food cops coming out under Obama with sidearms and deputized arrest powers, kind of like the new ‘animal control’ swat team wannabe goons. They’re all coronated goons. Royal paid asswipes for hire to badger the citizenry. They’re all in the same boat as the goons that murdered the inhabitants of the Waco Branch Davidians and Ruby Ridge.
        During Obama, I even saw a few of the new wave of big fat butch homeland security federalized perverts. Two females, fat feet with matching black toenails, fat skrillex heads and all had a garage sale where they had their old 3x uniforms for sale on hangers. I knew they were bush bumping manless types always smooching on their poarch, but until their garage sale I never knew they made federal gravy salaries as affirmative non cis hirees.

        1. About the only thing I miss about Obama era is hearing Alex Jones rants about Big Sis !

      2. Agree 100%. It’s amazing how he didn’t do that. I would Ivanka would set him straight on organic foods etc. but then again (((Ivanka))) is not on our side.

    2. I am surprised to see a lot of the regulars chiming in on a positive note on this article. I think you have something.
      Sound mind, sound body is a good way to be strong against all the B.S. out there. (I’m working on me.)

      1. Yes that but it’s also a way to get women into the alt right and sell them on conspiracy theories and white nationalism etc. I have full faith that Jews are behind all the gmos and pesticides etc. that impact our hormones and all the other bad stuff they do.

  25. This is a great article. I worked in the food industry, I even had to deal with the FDA as well. I am french on top of that, worked in that stuff for a long Time.
    The gluten thing is spot on, there are people who just want to be gluten intolerant, for the sake of it. But I believe that most are getting allergic because of the issues pointed above.
    Becoming a food freak is not the solution either. But I boycott Jewels, and other supermarkets of the same caliber, it’s shit most of it. No whole paycheck either (WF), i can afford it, but don’t feel like giving more dollars to Amazon now. Those products are over priced, why does it cost so much, when you can make a lot of them yourself?
    I learned how to garden, and get my stuff fresh and “organic”, which is basically normal stuff. A real heirloom tomato makes my day, salt, pepper, basil, olive oil, Mozza, a piece of sliced wheat. I master pastries now, my weakest point is fish, but I am training with a rock star Japanese chef.
    I love meats too, but when I see the quality of it here, I want to deport myself to France for that, lol. We have our share of crap too, but I get freaked out when I see the products here.
    For the first time, an American chef had a “Bocuse prize”, meaning that it’s not about the technique, people can learn it, and create their own. I think American chefs have a great future ahead.
    The genius of French cooking is the products, the love of the land, and it’s an act of service to others. It’s about reworking leftovers, to make a great dish out of it. The fancy stuff is way down the road.
    The issue in the US are the products, how they are made and the interests behind them. I get it, the “gluten intolerant” can be seen as a trend, but it is part of a bigger problem. How can we avoid eating crap?
    So I opened a cooking school, I opened bakeries before that, I think the first thing they must learn…it’s to garden, and understand the cycle of seasons. I even have farmers now coming to see me, they are usually small, but some understood it’s time to stop putting crap on the produce.
    The future will be local with that, small units, does not need to get big, enough to sustain small groups. Unless we want to finish like in Solient Green. I do not trust Amazon to feed me well, or google eats, or whatever crap they have in order improve their bottom line. I am no fucking millennial, I cook.
    It starts with knowing your tomato.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a22d2ba44799058b3c34446b4d50a2d0d68a8d0b1b2d0a4ca1c8f08606ab663d.jpg

    1. Tomatoes ripe are excellent. Like a female, not green and hard, not overly ripe and rancidifying, but that perfect short window of ripeness when they’re perfect. Some people love green tomatoes but not for me. Green tomatoes have an enzyme/acid that in excess can cause the intestines to leech resulting in psoriasis where patchy purple-brown discoloration appears on the skin. Green tomatoes aren’t worth it on that account. Blowfish is another food that scares the daylights out of me more than fiddling with a toaster during a thunderstorm or trying to land a MD11 in intermittent downbursts. A net catch of salmon once included one single blowfish somewhere in SE Asia. They made a pot of fish stew, dumping the whole catch into the pot and half the people in the room dropped dead after a few bites. They say blowfish prepared by a strictly licenced chef is heavenly but I’ll pass. I believe it’s the blowfish ovaries that are 100x more toxic than cyannide. Escargot is magic superfood for females. Raise ye daughters on escargot and they will fare well. I don’t mean to be a food debbie downer but sprouted wheat products are the way to go if you want to avoid gluten. A gluten sensitive person with celiac condition feels like crap after eating gluten and they have flatulence that has a strong characteristic smell of roadkill after consuming gluten. But still French quisine is good when you know what you’re doing.

      1. I hear you. You know your tomato. I love fugu, I had it once, I knew the risks, but I went to the right person.
        I am open to any type of cooking, i consider the basques chefs to be the best, they are not even French, they have a culture that is very solid, and rich.
        Now I saw Shepards smoking 2 packs of gauloise a day in the french Alps, eating fat stuff every day, they are in their eighties, they would probably bury us all…glutens or not.
        Life is funny.

      2. There’s got to be something about sprouted grains; it’s why I prefer single malt Scotch to bourbon.

  26. The fact is that there are very few Americans involved in agriculture. Far fewer than a century ago when most Americans were involved in agriculture or agricultural products in some way or another. Therefore, people imagine food being produced by “big business” and therefore becomes ripe for dumb conspiracy theories.
    The facts are these: fewer acres are producing food per person than ever. We keep paving over the most fertile farmland in the world making suburbs for the whites fleeing America’s cities. The world’s population keeps growing by leaps and bounds. Like it or not, without our sophisticated ag sector, lots of people would starve.
    Here’s corn yields historically:
    https://www.agry.purdue.edu/ext/corn/news/timeless/yieldtrends.html
    Prior to using chemical fertilizers, insecticides, fungicides, etc. the so-called “organic” corn yields were 20-30 bushels per acre. They are now near 180. The yields are similar with all other ag products whether it’s oats or chickens. Less and less agricultural land is expected to produce more and more every year.

  27. The food stamp program is essentially corporate welfare for big-agra. The poor then get all kinds of diseases that they then get welfare to pay for their big-pharma drugs.

    1. They could load up on veggies (often loss leaders at the supermarket) but tend to prefer processed foods, I believe.

      2. Food stamp recipients are people with any self-discipline. That is why they can’t hold a job to support themselves or say no to more babies they can’t afford. So of course they can’t say no to high fructose corn syrup addiction. Thanks to ObamaCare, you get to pay for their diabetes treatment. Quite the scam, you pay for the cause and the cure.

  28. The trans fats pushed coconut oil and palm oil out of the market, since they were touted as being much healthier. Nowadays coconut and palm are back in popularity.
    I’ve seen many articles the past few years about fake olive oil on the market, most of the ‘extra virgin’ isn’t and some of these products don’t even have olives, so be wary. So it’s not worth scrimping on olive oil, in fact it’s worth splurging extra money for real quality and real health benefits.
    I think butter is one of the best fats to cook with. A lot of vegetable oils aren’t good for frying because they can’t endure the high temperatures.

    1. While I’m at it, one of my pet peeves is ‘canola’ oil. It appears rapeseed grows well in Canada, but the oil is toxic. So they developed edible LEAR rapeseed oil (low eructic acid rapeseed) but that name wasn’t very appealing. Some marketing genius came up with Canola, for Canadian oil -a. So the seeds are processed and the oil is processed. Even Wankopedia admits:
      “Health concerns center on the fact that standard production may leave trace amounts of chemical solvent and that non-organic canola may be made from plants that have been genetically modified.”
      I would just avoid it but unfortunately it’s touted as healthy and shows up in a lot of products.

      1. Canada has a rapeseed culture problem. Maybe We can troll the feminists to push for legislation against rapeseed oil in our food.

    2. I prefer using butter myself for most purposes. But be clear that when frying with butter you are using clarified butter or ghee, as regular unclarified butter has a smoke point far too low for any high temp cooking.

  29. Besides eating better, not eating is a good thing to try. After a short fast, day or two, water only, I find it’s as if my taste buds were reset. Healthier food becomes more appealing.

    1. As a historical experiment, I went on a diet of medieval peasant food. It actually wasn’t bad. The bread tasted clean and the veggies were so full of herbs (more tan today) it was good. The amount of beer was a bit more than I could take and backed off on it quickly.
      But what was most astounding is an attempt to return to modern food. It was greasy, salty, sugary and sickly. The proportions were huge.
      I did fine with the medieval diet, but in the end, I didn’t want that everyday. I have retained the proportions but I also still avoid fast food, processed foods and rarely eat out as I now find that stuff pure salt and grease.

      2. So how much beer do you have to drink to be a medieval peasant?
        Actually I think nowadays people who drink too much favor greasy and salty food. Think about late night after bar food.

        1. Beer during this period was considered a foodstuff.
          It was high in calories which we do not need in modern life.
          There was lunch for the peasantry which consisted of dried vegetable matter that was, in the field, reconstituted with beer.
          Now, as you say, beer drinkers tend towards grease and salt. Back then beer was liquid bread. As hops were not available, beer was also a nearly daily creation with virtually no shelf life.
          Beer was consumed like water is now to the health conscious. Water was too. There is the myth that beer replaced water, but pure water was prized and readily available. it just didn’t have the nutritious value of beer.

      3. Interesting. Do any medieval cookbooks survive? I know there is at least 1 surviving Roman cookbook, which uses what we would consider exotic ingredients, like flamingo.

        1. Yes. There are many. The problem is they are all for the aristocracy of the period. Full of sugar and fats.
          The diet I chose was the peasant diet which our knowledge owes more to archaeological record.
          Studies have been done of teeth of the period. The nobility had rotten teeth. Sugar is to blame. The peasantry had better teeth. Their diet consisted more of fibrous vegetable matter which cleansed them dentally.
          They had gardens for their own use which contained many more herbs than what we have now in the grocery store.
          But vegetable matter was their main source of nutrients. A small amount of meat supplemented their daily diet.
          I made a period correct Roman salad once using garum as the main seasoning. Garum was a condiment made of fermented fish guts.
          That’s not going to happen again.

    2. seconded.
      you’ll feel bad the first day n great the 2d.
      and drink ONLY distilled water!

    3. According to some sources (Drs. Fuhrman, Esselstyn, others), water-only fasting for 2-4 weeks can actually begin to reverse atherosclerosis and other inflammatory diseases. Worth looking into. I lasted 5 days before dry-heaving and calling it quits.

      1. Yeah, but Fuhrman uses the n-word (just an OJ Simpson trial joke).
        Definitely fasting has health benefits. Such a long-term fast as 2-4 weeks seems very ambitious; maybe if you work up to it with shorter ones.
        I also used to do juice fasts with freshly made fruit and vegetable juices. It’s a bit easier. (Some guy in the UK just died after 10 gallons of carrot juice in 10 days with a vitamin A overdose and liver failure, so take it easy.)

      2. Joke:
        Farmer 1: “I was teaching my horse to not eat.”
        Farmer 2: “How’d it go?”
        Farmer 1: “It was going great, but then the horse died.”

  30. Honestly, if the United States stopped subsidizing farming, a lot of these problems would go away. Corn is given tons of Federal dollars, so much so that we keep having to find new ways to use it. If you check ingredients on most foods, you’ll corn syrup of some kind there. Hell, it’s even in our gasoline.

    1. Yes, without agribusiness subsidies the healthy, local farming businesses would flourish. And if oil companies were forced to include the true cost of their products (ie the overseas trillion dollar wars that are needed to continue the oil business) then we would find more alternatives and renewables, but that isn’t going to happen as long as the Ds and Rs run things.

    1. Agreed. The food in every less developed country I’ve been to (and some first world ones, like Europe and Australia) is noticably higher quality than in USA. Hell, in Oz, Burger King chicken was organic!

      1. …..is that not absurd for no reason? Practically anywhere you can eat good and fresher for less money than stateside. I don’t get it

        1. The US has one of the most unrestrained capitalist economies in the world. Haven’t been to China, they may be worse. But here anything that eeks out a penny more of profit per sale, times 350 million consumers, is big business and will get greenlighted, no matter the consequences.

    2. Of course, one still needs to watch h for stuff like flies and vermin around street markets. Otherwise, spot on. I mean, people living on the border are risking the same kind of trouble weed traffickers are when they attempt to being banned Mexican produce across the border. A federal offense for some tomatoes? Worth it.

  34. The bigger issue is just autoimmunity, as the autoimmune diseases are all highly related(If you have one there are good odds you have another). We need to go back to the old practices of health. Bitter foods, high fat, less sugar, fasting, sweating, exercise herbal medicines. Granny will save you, but your doctor wont(and he gets paid either way).

  35. There was a mom who saved a McDonalds burger for years and it was impervious to decay, and insects would not touch it. Real food like homemade bread or fresh dairy begins to decay within hours or days. The French buy their bread twice a day because bread baked in the morning is no longer fresh enough for them to eat that night.
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    The cause of all this is ultimately overpopulation. Few people want to admit it, but as the earth’s population increases, we result to more and more unnatural uses of technology to squeeze more production out of the same fixed planetary supply, whether it be offshore drilling, oil sands, fracking, GMO, or mass use of pesticides, chemicals and hormones.
    Every glass of water you drink is full of added chlorine, which is needed in greater doses every year as more dense populations of people squeeze into your city, and their feces and urine further concentrates, and the earth’s natural ability to purify the water is insufficient to support the population. You cannot drink any natural source of water, although 100 years ago there was no such thing as a chemical water treatment plant and everyone drank natural sources of water (you can still do so in parts of Montana and Canada). And that’s just the stuff we HAVE to add to the water to clean it, to say nothing of all the estrogen remnants from women on birth control peeing out artificially altered urine, and the 25% of them that are on psychotropic drugs.
    This will only continue. Europe has safer food than the US but it is densely populated and its food and water quality will decline–they simple have better laws protecting air and water than the US. I have noticed that Australia has a strong organic movement, and it’s rather easy to find high quality local food there. Probably because it’s an island and they have a lot of land to produce most of what they consume domestically.
    There is a limit to what you can do, especially if you are living in a city. I would encourage everyone to have a long term plan of getting to a place with acreage where you can grow your own food. In the meantime grow a small garden. It’s rewarding and fun and healthy, and will be a vital skill if TSHTF.
    Purchase a real water filter (reverse osmosis or distillation). I bought one through pure water products of Texas. Only these types of systems will remove drug residue, chemicals, etc. that things like a Pur or Brita filter will not. Look into a local farmers market or CSA. Often you can buy weekly farm deliveries through a CSA that are fresh local produce. Even then a lot of it is not organic and still has pesticides but it’s an improvement over the factory farmed stuff you will by the store.
    Organic food is expensive, often several times the cost of regular produce, but consider it for foods where you eat the skin like grapes, berries, etc. Long term if you move to a rural area or less developed nation, the food quality will be greater because it’s not mass produced on factory farms. I have had natural chicken in south America and it tastes like a different animal than US 6 week old Frankenfood chicken does.
    This will be an even greater problem when we pass 8 billion, then 10 billion, then 15 billion humans. We are already seeing lifespans stall and in some cases decline. I expect this trend to continue until population levels can be stabilized.
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    1. Also reminds me of my home when I was a child. My mother used to have two cabinet trays designed to hold and store rice. One contained white rice, and the other brown. Insects would often be found in the brown rice but the white rice had absolutely no bugs in them. While I love white rice I have to admit – if you’re not an athlete, there’s no reason eat processed sugar in the forn of grains

    2. As much as I don’t agree on excessive regulations, especially since they always have a political end, the alternative is worse. I mean, while I’m still skeptical of global warming as a whole, if you go to a city like Las Vegas on a hot summer day, you can sometimes see a layer of smog that can make an already hot city even hotter. And that’s with regulations like annual vehicle inspections.

      1. That’s the fundamental problem with libertarianism. While my younger self would be appalled to hear this, I would choose fascism over libertarianism. Perhaps that’s a mistake, and it’s just the pendelum swinging back to make a natural correction, but I see the role of the state to pass safety, health, environmental laws that protect its people and make life better for them *at the expense of* producers and corporations. I side with the little guy every time. I don’t care if that’s labeled a “political end.” It’s really a political means to a moral end though.
        I don’t live in a state with vehicle inspections, and so that seems unnatural and authoritarian to me, but the fact is people are dying several days, weeks, or years earlier due to the excess air pollution. It’s a small price to pay to require people to fix up their exhaust when they drive past my home.

  37. Celiac disease is most often used by basic bitches, only pretending to have it, as a passive agressive way to show control everyone around them. “Um, ya, I can’t eat gluten, so, we totally can’t eat there tonight”

    1. Same tactic the food allergy people use to give their children favoritism. Because of this, normal kids can’t enjoy a good ole fashioned pb&j sandwich.

    2. Watch what she orders for dessert. If it’s cake, tell her she can’t have it.

  38. Acai bowls are the biggest thing with hipsters. Acai comes frozen from Brazil, but in Brazil they spray fruit with DDT like in most third world countries. And an Acai bowl is 10 bucks.
    Biggest culprit for obesity and health problems today is the fact people keep eating out.

  39. Where I live in Eastern Europe, most people eat bread, including women, on average Hungarian women are slimmer and better looking than most North Americans.

  40. Vast majority of Europeans eat bread and can’t imagine life without it. I don’t think celiac disease and IBS is as common in Europe but agriculture is different across the pond. Europeans do eat quite a bit of processed food but nothing like America.
    Even in Japan, bread has become popular yet it’s the thinnest rich country on Earth. Thinner than France.
    Before potatoes were discovered by the Spanish, Europeans were living on wheat products for centuries.
    Romans lived on wheat porridge and were one of the most powerful societies in history.

  41. todayorganic farming is necesity.
    we have to growing by organic, chemical feltilizer, insecticide and fungicide must be have influences to our body directly and slowly, we will die slowly.
    besides that organic is present quality taste and fresh to our body.
    right here and right now we have to go to organic farming
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  42. Try two months eating organic whole foods, no sugars, no alcohol, no processed crap, no fast food. 99.9 percent of the modern population cannot go two days without eating some kind of crap. Then report back on how you look and feel. I almost guarantee you will look better and probably lose weight, probably have a higher sex drive, most likely the opposite gender will react more positively towards you as well.

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