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How High Will Men Jump To Get Married?

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For many years, I’ve been bombarded with advertisements, articles, and general advice from the mainstream media about how to properly propose to a woman.

From the cut of the diamond, to how to craft the perfect proposal, and how to capture it all across every social media platform possible, the mainstream media has made sure I am prepared on any and all levels to make my soon to be bride as happy as can be. And if I don’t do all of these exactly right, you can be sure that I am not worthy of her love.

I expect the mainstream to tell me this, and I expect there not to be an escape from it, either. From my mother to the annoying commercials (“Every Kiss Begins with Kay”) shown during sporting events, I know that the world wants me to man up, marry, and carry out my duties. It’s easy enough to just look the other way.

Except now, as I’ve crossed the threshold into being closer to 30 than 20, I’m finding there is no escape from it in my personal life, either. Yes, that is “the thing” to do when you are about this age. Get married and settle down. And while I recognize this is a “coming of age” kind of deal, I also find it absolutely cringe-worthy, and somewhat terrifying at the lengths men are willing to go to get down on their knee and beg ask for marriage. Take, for example, all of the engagement photos that are littered all over my Facebook page. There are thousands. Per album.

Or, worse—the one old acquaintance from college who decided to start a blog. One of his first posts is about how to buy the right engagement ring for your girl. It was so cringe-worthy that I dedicated an entire podcast to poking fun at it.

The Biggest Shit Test of All-Time

The phrase “shit test” has been around for many years now, used as a broad-level term to simply define how a woman tests how high you will jump. From the opening minutes when she asks what you do, all the way to getting down on one knee to propose—women are constantly testing how a man reacts and how this fits into her longer-term plan.

There is nothing you can do about this, except to expect it. Woman have confounded the latest generations of men for many years. They choose to accept it and simply say, “I don’t get women.” My way of thinking on this is different. I don’t claim to understand them all the time, but I do expect them to be women in their actions… all of the time.

Yes, this means I expect them to test constantly. I expect them to overstep their boundaries, and that I’ll have to enforce them. And finally, it means I expect them to swing occasionally with their moods and whims, and that I simply must not be blown by their winds. It’s the only way to retain sanity.

The problem with these tests is that they become more and more full of consequences over time. While the first date tests cost you nothing, the later tests (such as the proposal) have far more consequences if you get them “wrong”. It’s the equivalent to the teacher giving a pop test that has little bearing on your grades versus failing the bar and having your life plan of being a lawyer  set off course.

How High?

Truthfully, this old acquaintance’s story on his blog just made me cringe. This was a guy who always had game. He always had cute girls around him. He’s quite successful. And here he was, giving advice about the cuts of diamonds, how much to save each month to afford a $10,000 ring, and how to size the ring correctly so that—heaven forbid—when you propose, it slides on smoothly to ensure your photos and video moments aren’t ruined. Simply put, he bought into the crap. Now he just has to hope it doesn’t blow up in his face.

But here was a guy who didn’t cater to every girl’s whim in college, at least from what I saw. And yet, judging by his photos, and that post—he was willing to jump pretty high for his girl, because he was told to jump.

The thing is, this moment—if you deem a girl worthy of it—should be a test for HER. Expect the question should not be how high you can jump, but how low she will go—because she should love you. And a lifelong commitment should be based around said love, not how flashy a fleeting moment is.

Is she okay with a low-level ring that signifies smart financial decisions as you move forward together? Is she cool with the setting being quiet and calm, or does she insist on being in an elaborate, exotic local? Is she okay with it not being plastered on every social media channel? Is she okay choosing to keep the moment intimate between the two of you, devoid of cameras?

I don’t know if someday I’ll go through with an engagement, but I do know this: If I do, it’ll be final test for her, not me.

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69 thoughts on “How High Will Men Jump To Get Married?”

  1. We’ve all seen cases where an “alpha” males turns exceedingly “beta” towards a woman. It seems more common that man switch from one end of the spectrum to the other than being consistent with one frame their entire life. That must mean that being alpha is not something god-given that you keep for your entire life, but something you must continually work on. If you get too comfortable or complacent, you will lose it.

    1. I was watching a biography of Field Marshall Erwin Rommel recently and in it they discussed his relationship with his wife. They said he was all “yes, dear, whatever you want,” with her, which I found hilarious to hear because he was so alpha in the rest of his life as far as I could tell. After giving it some thought, my theory about this pattern of alpha men being wimpy with their women is that they crave a respite from the pressure of being in charge and responsible all the time. Does it make sense that the Field Marshall who commands armies would like a vacation from all that pressure and find a “safe space” where his wife takes care of him and wipes his nose and takes care of him and makes all the hard decisions? The problem would be that since women are bat excrement crazy wacko bird nut cases it is not a good idea to let them make serious decisions. And perhaps Rommel rebelled against her in the end because she was a rabid Nazi whilst he was just a soldier, and he was indirectly implicated in the July 1944 plot to blow Hitler up, which would have displeased his wife immensely if she knew about it.

      1. This is very true. I’ve known women who worked as both subs and doms at fetish clubs in L.A. for a number of years.
        100% of the time, males that paid to be mishandled via a subservient role were alpha, type-A business types that craved a release from the pressures of their responsibilities and what not.
        I often asked myself: is such a man strong or weak?

        1. “Strong” is context specific. I know men who I would never step to that could beat the shit out of me and they are still little bitches in front of their wife. She isn’t afraid of him.
          When you’re a guy, you’re strong in the MOMENT. Any given shit test of life can make a bitch out of you even if voluntarily.

      3. Rommel was a great man and a incredibly talented General. He lost North Africa because dumb ass mentally deranged Hitler refused to supply his forces when Montgomery and Ike were counter attacking. Instead Hitler overruled his military commanders attacked Russia (idiot). He ordered any German soldier retreating (and there were many on the Russian Front to retreat) to be shot. What impressed me about Rommel is that he was 100% military – he did not buy into the “master race” garbage. Rommel ordered that his troops treat all prisoners with dignity and respect. He refused to follow orders to massacre the jewish populations in Tunisia and Libya. He refused to carry out reprisals against any civilians. Rommel stands for strength of character and masculinity. You fight and kill enemies not civilians.

    2. I am quite guilty of this, Roosh. It has occurred to me that I am Alpha (to the point other weaker, insecure men have hated me), but tend to be Beta with women. A little too deferential, chivalrous, etc. I had quite a few younger sisters when growing up, and since married all I’ve had is daughters. This stuff may enter into the equation.
      On the other hand I was never desperate or thirsty vis-a-vis women. My wife had to push hard for us to be engaged and married. On the plus side, she is from western Europe, quite traditional and family-oriented, and better than 98% of American chicks.

    3. I’ve known alphas that appear to get pussywhipped by some woman later in life, but I can’t judge how whipped the man is because I’m not them. Part of it is an act the man puts on when he bows to the woman at times in order to get things done without hassle. Who’s gaming who?
      These women who strap the alphas into LTRs or into wifing with kids aren’t your typical low grade ex carousellers either. You may think the alpha met his match, but in reality the alpha found certain qualities in her that lacked in the majority of disposable throw away carousellers. Old carousellers at peak performance never have the scruples to garner attention or recognition from an alpha. They rule their betas ultimately under threat. They can only bully and use up a poor beta, and they use every trick and crutch in the book as well to uphold their threats as binding and enforcable, including the use of women’s advocacy services (the equivalent of an HR department for peasants). I couldn’t despise any group of women more. The carousellers who manipulate their thirsty beta meal tickets with foreboding and alluding what they can do to a poor thirsty man who displeases them are a pathetic lot of women and I pain to even look at their miniscule souls. They’re more dumb animal than human. The alpha’s woman, no matter how good she is at pulling his strings, is still a cut above the standard ‘peasant’s wife’ or carouseller.
      The woman who breeds by an alpha and maintains a family LTR is a cut above standard grade, but still she’s female and must respect the man’s power. A natural alpha clicks with her and she likes his ways. But it’s unlikely that the natural alpha is versed in patriarchal sermonizing and that’s where she trumps his authority at times. He feels how to correctly deal with her but he can’t deliver a patriarchal sermon on the mount to her. When he can theosophize and lay down patriarchal gospel is when she’ll fall to his feet like a god, especially when others in the room are shaken. When others in the room hear patriarchal trumpets, then you know she’s dickwhipped in one end of the brain and out the other.
      A patriarch rules with grace. She must respect your power always. She may try to sit on you needlessly in a show to mock your authority before others. You must remain strong as a gorilla to stand if she tries to get her jollies sitting on you. You never whimper. You stand and throw her off “Whoops. It’s okay cupcake. You know not to sit on me like that. Bend over and I’ll fix the boo boo.” This nature of women is primeal. At times they get to craving a spanking like a chocolate. Don’t make me explain.

    4. Roosh think again what game is.
      Game is learned charisma. People who change over the course of a long time relationship or marriage dont in truth “change”.
      What they do is, they take off their mask. Little by little, day by day a little bit more. One when comfort has risen enough they will take off their mask completly and show their wife their true inner beta self.
      This is the exact moment when the marriage or relationship ended, the rest is just a walking-dead-relationship.
      The true alpha, who has been born a natural asshole and perhaps even a psychopath will never change.
      Not in his first marriage, not in his fifth. Not with 40 nor with 70.
      There is no mask to take off. We care way too little about other people and what other people think to ever wear one.
      Thats we have it so easy with women – we are honest in a sense (even though we not always speak the truth when we move our lips) that she knows exactly what she is signing up for, all the abuse included.
      The beta on the other hand tricks her into sex and even a relationship by mimicing something he is not. Once she finds out, and sooner rather than later, she will; her anger and frustration will know no limits.
      I have no pity for these guys. NOT. A. BIT.

  2. Great article. I agree wholeheartedly — no man should have to change in this fashion when getting married. A man should test the woman he is willing to commit to, not the other way around.
    Bravo!

  4. By all means get married if you stumble upon a woman that:
    -has no tattoos/piercings/tunnels/body mods/blue, green or purple hair
    -isn’t divorced/a single mother
    -doesn’t have a half-nonwhite bastard or more
    -is not an atheist/a kike/a muslim/belongs to a strange cult or religion
    -has never done drugs
    -doesn’t drink a lot/doesn’t do weed
    -is a virgin (major bonus if you can find a kissless one. I have, thrice).
    -has a good relationship towards her father and wasn’t raised by a single mother
    -grew up in a stable family
    -is white. I know what you faggots believe about Latinas and Asian girls, but the fact is, white women are superior in terms of looks and intelligence. Also in terms of variety. Latinas and Asian girls look pretty much the same.
    -likes animals
    -has a good taste in music and doesn’t listen to nigger beatz. Major bonus if you can find a girl who is into classical music
    -has real hobbies (sewing, knitting, cooking, baking).
    -doesn’t like soap operas or Hollyjew shit
    -is at least 5 years younger than you
    -isn’t a feminist
    -doesn’t have slutty friends
    -is a patriot. Major bonus for NATSOC girls or at least nationalist.
    -is racist, at least passively.
    -Likes to read. Major bonus: she likes to write.
    Godspeed. I have met some of these girls, but alas, they were already taken. The search continues…

    1. Your list is almost complete, and I will add a few more to the list:
      Must be a sweet, nice, joyful, feminine woman who treats her man like a King.
      She cannot believe in divorce or even imagine getting a divorce.
      She must have the natural body type you prefer.
      She must be image conscious.
      She must be family oriented and not career oriented.
      She must have no problem signing a pre-nuptial agreement.
      She should change herself for you.
      She must look up to you and respect you.
      She should not have any children from a previous affair.
      She should be a smiler.
      You should avoid women who have a lazy, entitled, “me-first” attitude.
      The fewer sexual partners your wife has had, the better. The ideal wife should be a virgin. Remember: The more sexual partners she has had the more likely you are to be divorced in about 6 years and lose most of your money, possessions, and your children.

    2. Oooh yeah, a ‘kissless’ virgin indeed. That would kind of blow your image of your virgin girl who portrays like she’s being a prude with her pussy while steamily french tongue kissing on a string of guys. A real virgin hasn’t kissed anyone, and I mean ANYONE. Kissing is about as close to fucking or dicksucking as you can get. In fact it’s dirtier. What is the purpose of kissing other than getting up a woody?? You’re right in her face and armpits so you’re huffing on her pheromones full blast and she can smell you the same. Kissing is basically ‘pre-fucking’. When girls say “we only kissed”, they think you’re supposed to believe there wasn’t also a woody and a secreting wet snatch within centimeters of coitis. If she gives up her mouth first, she’s only self training how to extrapolate value out of her mouth before she moves on to opening her pussy in the same manner. She uses what she’s learned by manipulating guys in exchange for a kiss or a make out session – and she next applies said knowledge to doling out her pussy for favors. She knows how to manage and distribute the services of her kissing mouth and tongue so as to manipulate men, and then she manages her pussy in the same business manner. I don’t want a businesswoman. I want ownership in full of a virgin. That’s what patriarchy is about. It is the way and the light.

  5. I’ve known this one girl for years now, through several seasons of life. Before I stole my kids from my ex in court. Heck, she was flirting with me back when I was married. She says I was a hot mess back then. I asked her what her plans are, asked why she never asks what mine are. I broke some rules, to be sure. Long story short, don’t ask questions. If you can’t figure out what you want to know from only spending time with her, something is wrong with her or your brain. It sounds pessimistic, but sometimes pragmatism sounds blunt.

  6. I couldn’t agree more about making her work for it. I got back together with my college sweetheart (She’s patient 0 when it came to me learning this shit). She left her husband to be with me. She moved out but wanted to move back in with me right away after 5 weeks. I said no. Lets take it steady for 6 months. I wanted her divorce to be fully finalized after the 120 day period and then some to be sure that she was completely away from him and then desired to be with me. I wanted to see if she wanted me and would work for it rather than needed me, because if she needed me then any man would do. She couldn’t handle being alone Monday-Friday and went back to her husband within 2 weeks.
    Fine. Go back to the obese man that no one in your family likes, drinks, smokes pot, watches Anime, hasn’t saved a dime in 5 years of marriage. Lasts about 3 minutes in bed, flops his dick in your face to initiate sex, sent dick picks to prevent you from leaving and is below par in dick size.
    Meanwhile I have 3 years of Fuck you money saved. Im still lean and Im in shape again.

    4. From your story, I’m sorry you caved into someone elses damaged goods assuming she would change for you for the better…Guess you learned otherwise before it really cost you in all facets of live. You are lucky dude, so very lucky you dodged that bullet.

      1. Yea… Its easy to look at it that way, but hard to feel that way. I’ve always been heartbroken over breakups, mind you these were quality korean women, but this is the first time I’ve been angry about a breakup, perhaps because it was so insulting and she took a clearly worse deal. She was supposed to be the beautiful rural girl. She had many good qualities, feminine, could cook, not a social media whore, good with money (her husband wasn’t), but she wasn’t mentally stable being alone, she liked to shift blame which is are red flags.

    5. Thank the stars you’re not nor were ever legally bound to her in any way. If you could have read her mind back then, you would have been instantly red pilled. Her value doesn’t extend beyond her funhole. If she goes on your plate, there’s manners she must learn. She’s there to compete and get along. When her hole is full, she politely rolls to the side on queue and offers a warm moist rag for the next. A busy dick likes manners in the castle. Keep her competing in that sense.

  7. Marriage should be old school traditional for it to work. Pick a non-traditional woman and have some baloney non-traditional marriage and you can expect non-traditional results: Alimony payments, child support payments and seeing your children every other weekend and getting raped by divorce.
    I like our Orthodox church marriage the best because there are now cheesy vows, and the marriage is old school traditional between you and your bride and God. The Orthodox marriage is not about putting the woman up on a pedestal and having some elaborate azz expensive wedding to please a bunch of flighty women.

    1. I agree with you about traditional marriage (though I’m Protestant). I married a conservative Christian woman (virgin – my college girlfriend) 18 years ago. She knows I am the head of the family. She isn’t a feminist. She is a good cook, homemaker, hard worker, cheerful, feminine, and is careful/modest with money. Also she is from Japan, though we live in the States.
      Marriage can be OK.

  8. A lot of this testing a female can be done quite simply. If she isn’t interested in getting married and having children by her early 20s you can guarantee she will be fucked up. Also, if she seems more interested in the wedding than the marriage, it’s another clear indicator of her mindset. Of course, I do realize this eliminates the vast majority of Americunts, but that’s the environment we operate in. Behave accordingly.

  9. Men need to be very careful when it comes to the woman they choose to spend the rest of their lives with. That is why it is important to not allow physical intimacy before marriage to cloud your judgement on such an important life decision. You can go out with a woman that has raised several red flags but still go through with it because you have a physical connection.
    I know a girl right here in libtard West Coast USA that is virgin and very petite under 5’3″. 110 lbs, hair down to her hip bones, under 25, living with and respects her parents, never gone to college (but highly intelligent), cute face (looks like a darker version of the Disney Princess Jasmine), a dedicated Christian, knows how to cook, clean, and sew. Very traditional and believes in strict gender roles. She reads the Bible, self improvement literature, and has no patience for the f***/soy boys that try and pursue her. Is she perfect? Far from. She has her flaws too and has her moments of (mild) crazy, but no more than your average woman.
    The catch is that I know there will be absolutely no sexual intimacy before she is married and I will have to prove myself worthy to her parents. So what I’m trying to say is that in order to find a woman to be worthy of marriage men need to step it up too. We can’t expect to find the perfect girl that will satisfy all our needs during the relationship and then also want the virgin bride too. Look for humble and down to earth Christian girls. They are VERY rare, but they do exist. Don’t give up hope gentlemen and don’t fall into the trap of materialism. Keep God/Jesus the center of your life and he will give you the wisdom and strength on your life journey, in every aspect!

        1. Armenians=basically Jews that followed a coin into a church.
          Assyrian=if they are truly traditional they won’t allow a white man to marry their daughter.

  10. I’m not even going to get married so I don’t need to worry about this. If I moved away and got married to a foreign woman in a non Western country I would get married as that is part of the deal but marriage to a non traditional western 35 year old career woman or a strong independent single mum isn’t on the agenda. I need that in my life as much as a fish needs a bicycle.

  11. The prevalence of proposal-as-shit-test is a creation of advertisers and Hollywood, and fostered by prosperity and easy credit. Previous generations were far more practical because they had to be. They were aware that marriage was an oft-prickly business arrangement of housekeeper/provider that had perqs of sex, companionship, and children.
    I’ve seen the shit-test work its way into the high school level, with boys expected to stage elaborate productions just to ask a girl to homecoming dances, prom etc. Asking the right girl makes it more likely she’ll say yes (just because she may not want to hurt him publicly) but it carries the risk of crushed ego and public humiliation for a boy who is not likely at peak gamesmanship. Overall it’s still a win for the shit-testing capricious female.

  12. Unless you want children or you are in politics whereby a wife is needed for your political image I don’t see the point of getting hitched.

  13. Guys are stuck on stupid. You can have a great relationship WITHOUT THE SHACKLES AND BONDS AND SURRENDER OF YOUR RIGHTS through a civil contract. If your relationshit cannot last WITHOUT that contract, you are already in it for the wrong reasons.
    DONT GET MARRIED…there is NO benefits at all (financially or otherwise) in slaving yourself to a civil contract where you abdicate all your independence and rights. And if you are thinking about doing it to mollify the vagina in your life, you need your buddies to hold you down in a toilet and slam your dick under the seat and lid until they are satisfied that you have changed your mind. Otherwise, just cut your shit off, because that’s what that marriage license/contract does anyway. that ceremony and contract has NOTHING AT ALL to do with your capacity to love and relate to your mate or kids if you have them, or your RIGHTS to your kids . It also trips up the Family courts because they no longer have the default actions they take concerning a divorce, now they have to actually work and YOU AS A MALE KEEP YOUR RIGHTS they would otherwise arbitrarily nullify.

  14. I never had any success with women until after I turned 30 and they started wanting the beta provider. It seems for women that kids and marriage are still a decade away, however. So I don’t really understand the comment that you’re expected to marry at 30. It seems that women are just as difficult… my take is that they expect you to want a long term relationship, but not to put pressure on them by communicating that clearly, but also to invest your time and devotion like a husband simply for the favor of their grace. They’re not willing to screw, nearly at all, without both devotion from you as well as a sense that you’re not pushing for a relationship. I’ve been rejected sexually countless times by women on account of that they weren’t ready and didn’t want to ‘hurt’ me. Which is why provider game doesn’t necessarily work after the initial alpha tingles of the first month or two. I’ve been rejected on date 8 then she’s down to fuck on date 10. Then disappears when I’m simply not in the mood that day. Women who won’t get in the car with you because you’re moving too fast, but will then unfriend you from Fb after not talking to them for a few days. Women who flake 3 of every 4 times, talk about wanting to be with you, then make zero effort to make it happen.
    My coworker has been married for 35 years. His wife saw him in the park one day when he was 23 years old and decided she wanted to marry him, and she made it happen. This just doesn’t happen anymore.

    1. Well now it’s your turn to enjoy yourself once you’ve hit 30. Go around and make the most of it, go and pump and dump them and just pretend your interested in settling down. It’s your time to have fun. Who gives a shit if these 30+ women now suddenly want a provider after going on the cock carousel. Fuck them, they’ve made their own bed now they gotta sleep in it. It’s only fair you have your fun. Plus these are strong, independent career women don’t you know?!

      1. This is machiavellian and objectively speaking, evil, but the man has suffered due to him being rejected countless times by women who were a 5 on the outside, and a 2 on the inside, but felt like 8’s due to makeup and the constant showering with male attention both online and in real life. Now that he’s 30, more mature, and possibly better-looking than before, he shouldn’t feel bad about using women who shamelessly reject men like he was.

  15. All i know is there is NOTHING good about marriage
    in the post-modern world.
    Starting with the woman.
    No Woman exists today who is marriage material.

    1. they do, but just read all the beta males posts in here. they all really really need a woman now, they are so lonely and pathetic hahahahahaah

  16. The Momur by Adrian Belew
    Late last night
    I was speaking with my wife
    When she turned into a momur
    Tried to put me uptight
    I said “You don’t scare me”
    Then she let out a scream
    That’s when my heart started jumpin’
    Like a broken TV
    She was a momur and it was just like I told ya’
    She said “You better watch out, I might bite a big hole in ya’”
    The very next morning
    I was watching cartoons
    When I thought I saw a momur
    It was you know who
    Well, she backed me in a corner
    Tried to kill me with a broom
    And shouted personal remarks
    From across the living room
    She was a momur and it was just like I told ya’
    She said “You better watch out, I might bite a big hole in ya’”
    Late last night
    I was speaking with my wife again
    When she turned into a momur again
    Tried to put me uptight again
    She took me favorite guitar
    And she smashed it on the floor
    When she danced around on top of it
    I thought I might get sore
    She was momur
    ©±® Adrian Belew, 1982

  18. I’m a woman I have no shame that i had to pursue my current boyfriend.he knows I have options of guys who are willing to do anything to get my attention. But I know everything in the movies and social media are fake and only last for a moment. He has every characteristic I’ve ever wanted in a man. and other men just don’t measure up to him. I know what i want. Marriage is something that will eventually happen. That’s his move! Planning your own engagement is pathetic. Unlike other girls i will make him sign a prenup. I’ve even considered legally changing my last name to his and having a spiritual ceremony . I hate lawyers and I don’t want anyone telling me what to do or sour my thoughts of my former spouse all for financial gain . I’ve seen what divorce does to women. I’ve seen the kindest women turn into money hungry assholes. I want a happy future and not end up like some bitter divorcees getting monthly checks. I’m above that.

  22. The thing with shit tests, especially in an LTR is you are fucked if you pay attention to it – becoming beta – and fucked if you don’t because she will hold it against you later.
    There’s no balance any more – and that aside the only real purpose of marriage is to have kids – so if she’s not going to spend the next 10 years pregnant, with 6-12 months of getting married – and you don’t have the cashflow to cope with all of those family needs – and even if you do – it’s a arduous, difficult, tiring and not to mention expensive and emotionally taxing business having children – all of which takes up all of her time and leaves you with zero pussy on the menu – pretty much permanently – which if you recall was the original reason for getting married.
    Oh – and not to mention the complete and total destruction of the extended family unit of cousins, sisters, aunts, grand parents etc. – WHICH is exactly what you need to take the strain of having 3-4 kids running about 24.7.365.
    All up it’s a losing proposition whatever way you look at it.

  23. I’ve been anti-relationship and anti-marriage my whole life. BUT everytime I get a cute, young girl, I start thinking up crazy ways to impress her. It fucking sucks. I’m embarrassed to admit it. I know for a FACT so many of my married, male friends and family members envy my freedom. Somethings weird deep down wants to provide, or prove I can be better than other guys.
    I know the reality is the opposite. The nicer I am to her, the more she will take advantage of my weakness. Regardless of what I give her, The woman will always blame the man for all her problems. I’ve tried over and over to prove it wrong, but it’s true.
    Now I’ve resorted to only dating girls in other countries, and having fun with young hotties. That tiny thought still exists in my mind that I should settle down, give my dad a grandson, etc… Fuck that!

  24. I’m not going to. I haven’t for 50 years, an experience not to repeat, and don’t want to be thrown out of my home and lose my property and pensions in my old age.

  25. Yeah… Fuck that… I mean, I’ll walk over their corpse lying in the gutter, hand outstretched. Marriage? Pffffft…

  26. My mom told me that when my dad proposed he didn’t have a ring. He must have gotten them sometime later. Me, 54 never been married.

  27. I got married because of the ROK. I followed all of the instructions given and found out that women detest beta males, so I stopped being one. One of the reasons my wife is submissive is because she wants a man who is stronger than her. Those are her words. This site has value.

  28. I am aware of two coworkers who got married and spent 50,000 and 70,000 respectively, and both of them were so proud of the fact that they blew enough money to buy a reasonable house in one day. I was invited to one wedding, but not the other… Although I did see pictures of the other one. The more expensive of the two, the bride was so proud of the fact that she spent nearly $20,000 on the dress. Did I mention she was a fat pig? I’m probably showing my age here, but my wife made her own dress by Purchasing $50 worth of cloth and spending a little time on the sewing machine. Instead of putting her dress in a box to sit in the closet forever, she sold it about a year later to her cousin who was getting married-for $200. Funny how that works. We didn’t rent a hall, I paid the priest and the church 100 bucks for the ceremony, we went to a local restaurant afterward for the reception, the tab for 50 people was something like $3000.

  29. Another thought. I didn’t have any ring when I proposed. She picked out the rings later and the cost was about 2-weeks salary for me. I paid for the engagement ring but we went half and half on the wedding bands

  30. Why do Americans buy overpriced rocks to get engaged? (Diamonds are not worth what they are worth, the flow of the market is controlled to manipulate their prices in the market). Seriously buying a fucking rock just because the media told you is one of the stupidest thing about American culture that I can’t get. Buying shit that we don’t need to impress people we don’t like, that’s America’s motto. Just one example of why being overly materialistic is a perfect way to be miserable.

  31. I never made a formal proposal. Things just kind of happened as per her schedule, which was OK since we were both tying the knot for the first time much later in life than usual. And because of that I decided to dispense with the engagement ring, promising something much better for our 10th anniversary (which I wasn’t really sure we would get to observe).
    Well, at that point I had to make good on my promise so I bought a really nice ring from my mom. My wife liked it, my mom needed the money, and everyone was happy.
    That was ten years ago, and we celebrated our 20th last spring. Many big challenges along the way, but we made it through everything. However, I do realize that I got really lucky and it could have turned out much, much worse. I don’t recommend taking the plunge for the first time after age 30 as a general rule, though.

  32. These days I grow less willing to jump at all with each passing day. Singlehood has its merits.

  33. The very idea of getting married for women nowadays is the commercial influence that they have been inflicted with at such a young age. Not is it about the fundamentals as it once was. The image a woman clearly sees on her wedding day – is herself in her beautiful dress and self creation of her perfect day. The surrounding and constant pressures on men when the time comes, that his partner is sending signals that she is ready, is a time in which the attention turns to the women. I myself stand tall and proud and do not conform to the pressures, my belief will remain and my partner accepts my choice because she loves me for who I am and now understands that the one day celebration will have no impact on the rest of our life. If she could not accept my beliefs then I would have known that she was not right for me.
    P.S More importantly for her, I have given her own edition of a fairy tale life – sharing a life with me !

  34. Funny thing – I put a price limit on the engagement ring my fiancé should get me.
    I told him I didn’t want a ring that costs more than 100€. Because it is symbolic and there is still a marriage to pay. And those are expensive, even if you do it really simple. (Paperwork alone costs tons.)
    I seriously don’t get how some women expect a 10K ring or whatever. Who’d spend so much money on a shiny rock instead of a house?

  35. I prefer the Rocky approach: “Yo Adrienne, you gonna marry me or what?”
    If she ain’t willing to elope or have a small wedding, move on.
    All of this obsession about proposals is the province of women who want to be a bride but not a wife.

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