For those who don’t live in Australia, you have probably not had the misfortune of hearing the name “Clementine Ford“. If I may start this article with the closest thing we’re going to get to a compliment, she could be called Australia’s Jessica Valenti. She’s the same sort of rabid feminist who spends most of her time proudly seeking to harvest and bathe in male tears.
In her latest bit of activist attention whoring, she posted the above photo of her naked face and chest. It was in response to a middling Facebook post by Sunrise – an Australian morning show, warning women of the dangers of taking nude photographs and the risk of them getting stolen or shared without permission.
Now Sunrise usually doesn’t cover any stories more serious than a cat getting stuck up a tree, but it seems our dear Clementine was unable to sit idly by amid this outrage. Instead she had to launch a tirade against the show for its less-than-perfect devotion to feminist ideology. You can find the original post here, but for some of the highlights –
I have taken nude photos of myself and sent them to lovers. I’ve taken nude photos of myself when I’m bored. I’ve taken nude photos just because I have a smart phone and it’s fun.
None of that means I have asked for my privacy to be violated, my photos stolen and my very self made available for public humiliation and judgment. Consent is everything.
When Channel 7’s Sunrise asks ‘when will women learn’ instead of ‘why do men continue to view women as objects they can defile and violate while the world watches and tut-tuts’, they are victim blaming. They are saying it’s the responsibility of victims of crime and assault to prevent it and not the responsibility of society to make such crimes intolerable and unacceptable. Fuck your bullshit, Sunrise.
You’re an antiquated, pedestrian piece of rubbish and you truck in misogyny and everyday sexism. Consent is what happens when you give permission. Theft and assault is what happens when people take it from you despite you saying no. I’m not normally into using nudity as a form of protest.
I’ve kept my actual breasts out of this shot so it can be shared on FB without attracting the censorship of an organisation that’s afraid of women loving their own bodies but comfortable with men ridiculing and shaming them.
And so on, and so forth…
First of all honey, Facebook doesn’t “censor” your photos because you’re a woman. I can’t get my dick out either.
Second, I wonder at the nature of this protest, as taking a nude photo of yourself to protest photos being stolen is a bit like flinging your phone into a sewer so no one will steal it from you.
Third, you seem to be under the assumption your private parts are meant to remain so because men won’t be able to control their animal urges and will start humping you without warning.
This isn’t really true. Much the same way I can’t pull down my pants and take a dump on the sidewalk, most people find the sight of a pair of floppy old lady bits the weather bureau could hire as windsocks to be slightly unpleasant, and have decreed they should be kept tucked away in a civilized society.
Back to the original point, we see these arguments come up all the time, and they are as batshit insane as ever. It is the sort of worldview that, as I have written here before, only someone who grew up in the sterile confines of modern suburbia could believe.
At any other time in your life, I’m sure even feminists realize this. I’m positive they look both ways when crossing the street, even at a pedestrian crossing. I’m sure they lock their front doors at night, and if asked, would recommend others do so as well, blissfully free of accusations of supporting “theft culture.”
Yet when it comes to the issue of women’s safety, the sacred cow of the feminist movement, all logic is thrown out the window, and instead divine intervention is demanded whenever a women risks being taken out of her comfort zone. Lets look at the particular wording of Clementine’s post –
They are saying it’s the responsibility of victims of crime and assault to prevent it and not the responsibility of society to make such crimes intolerable and unacceptable.
The wording used here is quite innocuous, but there are sinister implications. So it is the responsibility of “society” to prevent crimes? Well sure, but what do we mean by “society?”
Violence has been growing much rarer in recent centuries. Despite all the headlines about domestic violence and the Islamic State, instances of war, murder, rape, assault and nearly every other sort of crime are steadily declining.
Steven Pinker, is his seminal book “The Better Angels of Our Nature” has documented this in rigorous detail. Living on the savannah ten thousand years ago (or in Australia until 200 years ago) as many as one in six people died at the hands of other humans. By comparison, today’s murder rate is roughly one in a thousand, which is itself ten to fifty times lower than during the Middle Ages.
The overwhelming cause of this decline comes down to one reason: the concentration of violence with one authority, namely the state. After all, this is the very definition of a state – an entity which, over a given area, claims a monopoly on legitimate violence.
The past doesn’t look like some hidden elf village from Lord of the Rings. Game of Thrones is much more accurate. It is only now that we have predator drones and night vision goggles and automatic weapons that the king’s men have never been more efficient at enforcing law and order.
Now overwhelmingly, this process is a good thing, of course it is. The very fact you’re complaining about stolen photos proves it. Five hundred years ago you wouldn’t have been able to worry about it. You’d be too busy fleeing from Vikings or Mongols as they burned down your village and massacred all the male members of your family.
But the unfortunate implication lies in just how far we take this. The problem remains, the only reason you can ever dodge your responsibility for your own safety – is if someone else takes it over. You are not eliminating violence – you are monopolizing it.
You are saying to the state, waiting there patiently with its armies and police force – “I can’t be fucked looking after myself! Its all too hard! The big bad men are being mean!” to which the state replies, “Well, if you insist my dear…”
This is where radical feminists take things too far. Of course its reasonable to demand the state bear most of the burden for protecting you from attack. I’m glad of the same protections. All I’m saying is, don’t go full out. Never go full retard.
I want to maintain a decree of agency in my life, no matter how great the coverage of the surveillance state, no matter how heavily armed the police force, no matter how benevolent the psychologists pumping a generation of kids full of Ritalin and Prozac. Further in Clem’s post, we see this –
When will women learn? Learn what? That our bodies do not belong to us? That we have no right to determine who sees those bodies, touches those bodies, fucks those bodies, and shares in those bodies?
I’m just going to come out and say it.
No – no you don’t.
Not unless you have a mobile with triple-O (or 911 for Americans) on speed dial or a gun on your hip. Otherwise, you are very much on your own.
If we’re ever going to have a perfect peaceful paradise, it is only going to be with an enormous gun pointed at all our heads, like the MAD doctrine nuclear weapons have given us. So we know what the real end story is here. In fact, allow me to translate the true meaning of Ms. Clementine’s post. I’ll use fewer words –
I can’t do whatever I want whenever I please! I demand to be under the protective thumb of the state at all times! Us puny women are so hopeless against the big bag menzzz, we need a police escort in order to function! Or maybe just castrate them all, that could work too. At least hack all their emails in case they’re even thinking about hitting on me! – Clementine Ford
I firmly believe this is the sort of attitude that corrupts societies, when people get so used to the good life they can’t comprehend that there’s a real world beyond it. In their blind rage, feminists and white knights are demanding the thin blue line be thickened to the point it may strangle us all, and our leaders are quietly letting them.
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Encapsulates feminism in seven words:
“Your rights end where my feelings begin.”
Always easy solutions to these types of women; put them on a boat to IRAN,
problem solved.
you don’t even need to send them that far. Just send them to Mexico. Yes, even Australians. Send them to Mexico.
Mexico would actually deport them.
http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/politics/2015/06/19/mexico-deports-more-central-americans-than-united-states/
Please don’t. I am planning to retire in Mexico, where blue pill society hasn’t yet made an impact. I’m pretty sure you can handle your own. Just send them to the Outback or somewhere where they will be devoured by crocs.
From the Comforts Of Western Society Built By Mens Toil, Feminism Preach’s It’s Hatred.
Feminism should be called what it really is – Mental illness.
So many of these radical Feminists exude bipolar/schizophrenic tendencies.
You are absolutely spot on. This girl needs a stay in a psychiatric ward of her nearest big city hospital. Sadly as I also live in Australia these women are seemingly everywhere, and they all seem to have the same characteristics, ugly, overweight, idealised self image and a near total disconnect from reality.
Sheeeeee!t
Poor example, he is black and she is white, hence the media would overlook it.
Don’t let the hijabs fool you, Persian women are the most feminist, headstrong broads out there
Their men have a cure for that … at least in Iran.
You’re right, they behave like docile creatures until they leave their nests to some western country.
I have a feeling Iran would turn them away at the docks…
They would sink the boat due to their immense weight.
Would need one of those massive container ships.
Also, Iran would fire on it upon seeing the rainbow flags and shit.
Why are feminists always self loathing, disgusting attention whores
Maybe attention whoring and self loathing are two sides of the same coin?
Yes they are
http://www.returnofkings.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Clem-Ford3.png
The making a weird face for pictures thing only works for hot girls. It doesn’t work for ugly girls because they are already ugly. . . .
She looks like my buddy Steve.
That’s not a good sign.
My condolences to your friend.
Swee eee eeet! Common fellas! Who wouldn’t want to marry that?
I just threw up in my mouth a little
She’s just being a copy cat. That’s what she’s been seeing hot girls doing, and she thinks that it will make her look hot.
She looks like a fucking egg.
Disgusting.
i have a hard time believing anyone would want to steal this swine’s selfies in the first place
she flatters herself
Larry flint would call her a two-bagger.
More like a three-bagger – one for your pet dog too.
Call a spade a spade! Fitting ain’t it?
Saggy balloons full of dogsick……..
Hey Clementine, Get Fucked.
why are the girls called Clementine always crazy?
I’m not sure as I have never met one. Perhaps using 18th Century names in the 20th creates problems… or maybe its just that all women are mentally ill to some degree?
maybe a middle class thing?
Maybe. I’ve noticed in the last ten years the baby names have gotten progressively worse (Tyler, Madison, and now Ilya – seriously this is a name now). I’ve also noticed in the early 90s “K” names were incredibly popular. in the past eighteen months I’ve had at least one: Kasey, Kayla, Kendal, Kaitlyn, Kassandra, and of course my beloved Korrin, may she rest in peace.
most feminists are middle class so
Not Kaitlyn or Caitlyn Jenner.
Next: Kuntlyn, Kunt, Kunter, Kuntla, Kuntli.
Don’t think all of them are. Winston Churchill’s wife had that name, and was smart enough to choose him. 🙂
Sounds like the name of mule.
Attention whore narcissist gets cranky when her naughty selfies backfire. All males everywhere owe her some apology. Good luck with that.
Just like mattress girl who made a sex tape and called it art. If you viewed it as porn, you viewed it without her consent. Again WTF?!
Women taking responsibility for their actions and facing the consequences of making bad choices isn’t part of feminisms narrative. Women are always the innocent victims and men always the onces at fault according to femimists, because if women aren’t victims them feminists don’t have any relevance. Funny thing is they say women are “strong and independent” yet taking no responsibility for your behavior is the opposite to being strong and independent.
This is absolute spot on mate. I have had this conversation with women I actually thought were reasonable, and even they were absolutely incredulous at my argument that if women didn’t send out naked selfies in the first place, they couldn’t end up on sites like this. Seriously, how hard is that to understand? You are utterly correct, women have been utterly brainwashed to believe there should NEVER be consequences (fair or not) for their actions
It’s something I’ve noticed for a while even before I knew what the red pill was. They don’t seem to understand that you are responsible for the risks you take, so many females have no idea of taking responsibility for their actions and just want to play the victim.
Me too. One kept on going back to “You are excusing the guys who are doing this”, even though I seriously said half a dozen times that what the guys had done was wrong and a low act. I just said girls need to be responsible for avoiding risky behaviour- if girls didn’t send naked selfies out, these guys wouldn’t be able to hurt them like this. The only conclusion I can make is that feminists, perhaps because they are ugly, must hate attractive women at least as much as they hate men. Why else would they encourage behaviour that is highly likely to end up causing pain and suffering for these women? Most women who eagerly send selfie pics are at least reasonably attractive in my experience… fugly feminists are jealous and want to see them suffer!
That’s the thing I don’t excuse the men for sending them around, that is low behavior too but fact is that’s a risk she takes if she sends a naked pic too someone. If I had a daughter I’d teach her to never send a pic of her naked body to anyone regardless if he’s her boyfriend, but apparently that would make me a mysoginist towards my daughter.
I can definitely live with myself for being a ‘misogynist’ if it means my future daughter isn’t just another little sexting slut…
lucky for her, she’s too much of an ugly beat whore for anybody to actually jerk off to that shit
that may not have even happened, she’s just butthurt over the very idea proposed by that morning show
i.e. dumpy white women making up problems
Clementine Ford: “I did a Balinese cooking class the morning. The colours! The smells! The overwhelming joy of cooking…”
. . . the theft of culture. This crime is unacceptable, intolerable, and society needs to do something about this woman. Cry ‘Havoc!’, and let slip the dogs of war!
here’s an idea: shove her down an upward escalator. There’s a possibility of perpetual motion where she will continuously fall down a flight of stairs.
brillant. a perpetuum non-nubile.
Post op chick. The reverse brunce jenner.
Women should never be raped without their consent.
wait, but. can a woman give consent to being raped without consent?
don’t give these fuckers any ammo, dipshit. No matter how stupid you think that sounds where nobody would believe it, they will start saying shit this stupid.
it’s a pity we can’t use this obvious personality flaw to our advantage.
what do you mean?
have you ever noticed most feminists battle cries are some of the dumbest, most illogical battle cries known in existence? I know you were being facetious, but if they ever see what you just wrote they will use that as an actual battle cry. it’s a pity we can’t use that against them.
i don’t see how they could use it. apart from that, i’m not censoring my words for idiots.
“i don’t see how they could use it.”
They could use it against marriage being automatic consent by the wife to the husband, they could apply it to rape roleplay. Even worse, some of them consider all heterosexual sex to be rape, therefore “women should never be raped without their consent.”
i don’t understand. how does my statement change anything about the strength of their arguments or about their goals?
I think “Dick Gozinia” was really responding to “PyjamaMicrophallus” about his coining of the phrase, not you.
i see. i still don’t understand it, it’s just wordplay.
Inception, Dream within a Dream.
oh, is that: going to sleep with consent and waking up without it?
actually, isn’t feminism an inception? all those men who think they came upon the idea to protect women on their own?
That’s 3 levels deep.
the uterus?
Get that consent in writing and record video of the signature taking place.
won’t she still be able to argue that she would have felt guilty for not consenting, therefore rendering the consent worthless? like … conscience-torture?
Consent under duress? It’s possible. At that point you would refer her to your lawyer… the one who is with Smith and Wesson.
the question here is: must the duress be real or is it satisfactory if the girl assumes it?
Current “human rights” law tests merely for the feeling of being offended on the part of the complainant, ignoring completely the intent of the defendant. So, following that trend, I would say the court would test for whether or not she FELT she was under duress. Again, referring her to your lawyer (with Smith and Wesson) nicely achieves an out-of-court settlement. And I’m joking.
in that case, things can only go down the shithole. considering that feelings are to a big amount conditioned judgments and assumptions from reference experiences – which may also be from the media – people will one day assume potential rape and threats in any harmless interaction.
it is hard to have the conviction that emotions do not predict reality when you grow up in an environment that encourages you to think that. you start to believe that your emotions carry inherent wisdom, yet your emotions are triggered by the information the outside world feeds you – which may be false.
in that case, things can only go down the shithole.
Which is precisely where our legal system currently resides, particularly where it pertains to “human rights” law. Note that the Muslim Brotherhood has adopted the phrase “human rights” as a code phrase for Sharia law. Whenever you hear an Islamic nation talking about “human rights” at the United Nations, what they really mean is Sharia.
Rape by definition is sex without consent.
I consent you to have sex with me without my consent. WTF are you talking about?
I guess my delivery wasn’t comedic enough.
Oh my bad. It wasn’t directed towards you. I meant it towards a feminist who cries rape without her consent.
Nah, bro; a woman tells you if she wants to be raped by how short her dress is.
You men are evil. You are causing all this evil.if you would choose more wisely the women you sleep with nothing like this would happen. None of this women’s fault its mans fault.we men are the ones with power we are the leaders so we must take responsibility for what has happened
Wait. What? You’re saying that some man chose to sleep with Clementine Ford? I find that hard to believe.
Pics or it didn’t happen.
Men have sex with women who have daughters who become clementine ford its mans fault. If he would’ve been a better father she wouldn’t be like this. In life their is no equal man is greater than women so its mans fault. Women are stupid and inferior and need guidance. I have a sister and I told her the meaning of sex and not to be a whore and guess what she’s not one
the concept of fault is faulty.
No its right. You are wrong. Stop living in imaginary land. Their are standards and truth. Relativity doesn’t exist. Their is only right and wrong. Men are greater than women so its mans fault
i don’t know what you mean.
If you Mean that some Males are Responsible for allowing (Enabling) Feminism and Other SJW mindset’s to Pollute society, than I would Have to Agree, there are Many white Knight Beta Enablers who truly are the Ones Responsible for the Madness in the Modern Age because they won’t stand up to it but Rather Enable it. I’m Confused as to why you are calling us Evil,so this is why i’m not entirely sure by what you mean.
you’re trolling us, right? You couldn’t possibly be this stupid, could you?
No. How can you be a man and not believe in responsibility. If every man decides not to be with a whore their are no more whores if every man decides to not take responsibility for their actions men will blame women. You are letting the women be men and you men are being women. Because you are saying women have power and its women’s fault therefore you are women and they are men because they set the rules
Close. Not enabling. men are the cause of feminism. Women can’t do anything productive by themselves. Their bodies are limited. Without leader or guidance the world becomes chaos. Evil means dysfunction. And men are evil for allowing dysfunction
Are you a Man?
Yes that’s why I’m taking responsibility for my actions instead of blaming women I blame myself. I am a man and as a man it is up to me to make wise descisions. Feminism is dysfunctional doesn’t mean I have to be. It is up to me as a man to make life better and make tough choices to live a better life
i agree with that statement. i like whores, so there’s something of a conflict, but yes, the stance on responsibility is nice.
but one must also be careful not to see blame-shifting in the statements of others just because oneself used to do that. pointing out the errors of other people is not necessarily equivalent with assigning blame to them and forgoing responsibility.
You’re right… we men do owe women leadership. Women didn’t fight a war for the right to vote, men simply decided to give it to them. But part of that leadership is calling them out for their stupidity and holding them to account for incompetence. That’s what this article does. Sometimes leadership is mean.
If you wish to make some idealistic martyr of yourself by assuming all responsibility for the travesties of feminism, please do so in silence and don’t expect the rest of us to join you. I am certainly not responsible for the woman who takes naked pictures of herself and then posts it on a site that she has no control over, only to cry “rape” when they’re shown to the world. I am not responsible for a woman who puts on her sluttiest outfit, goes out and gets shitfaced, and then wakes up after banging half the bar and decides she was “raped”. I am not responsible for the woman who gorges herself on the cock carousel, ends up pregnant, and expects society to pay for her mistake.
Criminals are held responsible for the crimes they commit. Not the victims of their crimes. The same holds true for feminism. This alternate reality you’re advocating where men as a whole are the root of all evil that feminism has wrought does not exist outside your shiny, white armor. Women demanded equal standing with men but have thus far proven themselves unable to handle it and the responsibility for their abject failure lies with them.
If your definition of being a “real man” is this ridiculous acceptance of responsibility for the actions of another, rest assured you are exclusive to that definiton. I and many others will look elsewhere to more qualified sources than yourself as to what defines a real man.
“Relativity doesn’t exist”………………………… Just going to leave this here.
True. I don’t have a problem with that. I see the good in that statement. As we speak we are still causing these problems. As men we have to stop being with these whores. Stop allowing feminism to corrupt our functional life. Stop sleeping with women who are dysfunctional. and life will be great once again
No you are responsible. We are men not women. Women are children compared to us. And a father is responsible for his children. When children act bad they need discipline. These women need discipline. If you can’t see being born a man inherently makes you responsible for how women act. Then you do not care about “society”
Speak and explain the meaning of your post
I think you are a potato because you only believe in absolutes and you even said yourself that relativity does not exist
Putting these whores up on a pedestal and worshipping them as “the one” (one-itis) is certainly a mistake, but should we forego having sex with them altogether? Seduction can be an effective leadership tactic my friend, and we are nothing if not tactical here on ROK. Although there is, admittedly, some return benefit to be had in using this tactic. 😉 But you wouldn’t begrudge us that now, would you?
Again, no we are not responsible. And like the myriad of deluded “men” before you who have come here touting their own brand of what defines a real man, you are not the bar by which men as a whole are measured. What you’re peddling instead is this idiotic notion that we men are all culpable for the actions of another and that we should bear the punishment for the sins of our fathers. You are welcome to believe in this, but know that you do so with little, if any, company.
For the rest of us thinking men, we see feminism for what it is. A threat to some but largely a social construct that cannot withstand the test of time. While I love the informative articles on ROK, there are far too many commenters that fail to recognize the simple fact that feminism, cultural marxism, the SJW movement are temporary things. They are borne of ignorance and, as our history tells us, any social construct that is rooted in ignorance and consensus derived truth cannot last. They always fail because their downfall is built right into the foundations on which they are built.
If there is one thing I have learned in my time, it is that anyone who obsesses over the assignment of responsibility and placement of blame is always the first to shirk the same when the time comes. My advice to you is to cease this prattling on about who is responsible for what and stop expecting men as a whole to flog themselves in penance for their “sins”. Instead, grab a beer with the rest of us, and enjoy the show that is impending collapse of feminism.
They say you don’t pay for sex with prostitutes, you pay them to leave after you’re done.
i was referring to the archetype of the whore – the pure super sexual girl
Every-time I see those Multicolored Hair Highlights I immediately Associate it with Something not being Right in the Brain.
they ate too much rainbows, now the rainbows come sprouting out of the hair folicles.
Oh I guarantee you that’s not rainbows they’re swallowing haha but they’re definitely taking the unicorn horn.
whatever man.
http://cdn.trendhunterstatic.com/thumbs/miracle-drug-approved-grow-longer-eyelashes.jpeg
Don’t make me rip the wig off your eyelids bitch!
Ha, Yes, The Leprechauns are now Mad.
wahaha. wonder what kind of three wishes they will grant you.
If they get back their rainbows, Probably any three wish’s someone would want.
# Sunrise Get Fucked, isn’t that promoting Rape Culture?
The irony would be lost in her.
“I have taken nude photos of myself and sent them to lovers. I’ve taken
nude photos of myself when I’m bored. I’ve taken nude photos just
because I have a smart phone and it’s fun. None of that means I have asked for my privacy to be violated…”
New Flash Idiot: It’s not privacy if you voluntarily make something public.
God, these Feminists are so unbelievably stupid. This is just like me working to get a patent on some invention that will change the world and make me insanely wealthy. Instead of keeping everything Top Secret until I have it locked down, I post all schematics on the internet and leave all prototypes lying in my front yard. Guess what? Someone steals it and then I want to complain about the lack of privacy in the world.
Some days I feel like Mad Max. “As the world fell, each of us in our own ways were broken. It was hard to tell who was more crazy… me… or everyone else.”
Also why is it that this Feminazis always want someone to see them naked? I swear they all read from the same playbook.
Step 1. Be a 5 or below.
Step 2. Get Tatted up.
Step 3. Be Naked as much as possible in public.
Step 4. When people stop paying attention to you in public, post all nude pics on social media in a last ditch effort for attention.
Step 5. Relentlessly claim that you are oppressed and the world hates you.
Step 6. When someone suggests that you adopt the same behavior in a truly female oppressed culture (i.e Iran). Quickly become quiet and flee the area.
Yeah, I saw an ugly girl with Cartoon Blue hair this weekend. Sure, made me look, but the point of slutty tattoos or neon hair is to say “hey I’m a slut ready to fuck anything”. I guess there are thirsty guys everywhere but shouldn’t the girl at least be a 5 or 6 for this to work?
The standards are so low across the board at this point that even a 2 or 3 will get sex from some thirsty guy.
Whaddya think of Jack from Mass Effect?
IQ Overclock tune
You are not eliminating violence – you are monopolizing it.
This is why feminists and authoritarian liberals promote gun control in open defiance of the reality that more guns = less crime.
http://www.amazon.ca/More-Guns-Less-Crime-Understanding/dp/0226493660
Weaklings are impervious to the truth.
Weaklings do not want less crime, they want a monopoly on it.
The major sociological phenomenon of our times is attention whoring. When is some brave researcher going to tackle this subject? And where would they get the research funding? Apply to the ESRC
Our institutions of learning are simply not fit for purpose
occam’s razor: when are you?
all right then. Guess I’ll have to do it.
Richard Feynman solved the problem of ant path building in his spare time without funding.
Many comets are discovered by people in their spare time, using telescopes they built themselves, right down to hand grinding of the optics, without funding.
Michelle Langley examined and described human female hypergamy in her spare time without funding.
Where our institutions of learning are not fit for purpose, do not employ them.
You make a good case for the kind of model of research that may be necessary in the future. There will always be an authority / quality of evidence issue though for independent research, not that that’s insurmountable of course
And for “non-independent” (ie, gov’t or corporate funded) research there will always be issues with politicialization and conflicts of interest via-a-via the funding source.
Fucking magnets! How do they work. Amiright?
Before feminism and the internet there were three types of women. Those who gave it up for marriage, those who gave it up for money and those who gave it up for free i.e. good girls, whores, and sluts. The good girls had it best because they generally got a lifetime of provisioning and fulfillment of their biological imperative (bear children). Whores got quick and easy money, but unless they became a madame whoring out other women or were plucked from whoredome by some infatuated John, they usually burned out after hitting the wall and everything was downhill from there. Sluts had it the worst, outcasts of society and not even getting paid for it.
Today the state has replaced marriage and it is now more valuable for the “good girls” to marry a guy and divorce him after the kid is a few years old or become a whore or slut. Whores get paid now more for getting attention from the internet then they ever have from whoring (and some get so much even “good girls” feel like they are better off as whores). Sluts are still the same, but they are no longer outcast.
The ranks of good girls is continually shrinking and the ranks of whores and sluts continually grows. This is not to say that some whores and sluts are not necessary and desired in society. We just need to return to a balance that is a long term benefit to “good girls” that stay in marriage.
“Whores get paid now more for getting attention from the internet then
they ever have from whoring (and some get so much even “good girls” feel
like they are better off as whores). Sluts are still the same, but
they are no longer outcast.
I think your schemas and the dynamics / motivations you describe are correct, but the problem is at present we’re still convincing ourselves. How could an academic describe in analytic terms the figures of the ‘good girl, whores, and sluts’ so that say the problems described could be addressed at a policy level. At present it couldn’t be – only feminists could use those terms, and then only to ‘deconstruct’ the categories involved. On the other hand financial incentivisation of promiscuous / non-monogamous (could you even use those terms?)probably could be explored but only very carefully
“Sluts had it the worst”
Contrast that to today, where the good girls likely have it the worst. They are a) hard to find if they exist b) shunned by their slutty friends and c) not rewarded by most betas for staying good.
Sluts on the other hand, seem to have it the best. While The modern woman today can slut around, collecting attention from hundreds of men, which is her real currency. There is no penalty whatsoever for whoring around, and they can always be wifed up EVEN IF they get knocked up and have some other guys kid! It’s amazing.
Whores have it more or less the same. I’d say the need for whoredom has declined due to the state prosecuting prostitution, and the fact that most sluts today are indirect whores. Seeking arrangements girls are technically sluts but really just whores getting indirect (or sometimes even direct) payments. Girls today will get their clothes, food, drink bills paid for by their beta simps, their daddys or daddy government will pay their housing and education bills, and therefore they don’t even need to resort to outright prostitution–guys are paying for everything they need already.
Brings to mind the movie ‘Pretty Woman’ where the whore bags a billionaire circa 1990. The more I look back on that movie, the more obtuse, inverted and ass backward the plot becomes. It’s like the comedy ‘Lancelot Link’s Chimps’ where monkeys talk and drive cars. It is so impossible that it’s absurd.
In this article: hammer meets nail at point of “head”.
Let women self-implode while I sip martinis I made with booze I made on a boat that I made run on diesel fuel that I made. Yes, guys like myself make useful shit that makes life more enjoyable than running down a deer for dinner. And, women just have too much time on their hands to come up with imaginary shit to complain about.
Runs on martinis:
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” . . . makes life more enjoyable than running down a deer for dinner.”
Have you tried it? It might turn out to be a whole lot of fun.
Other than that, yeah, I’m with you.
Yeah, been there done that. Actually, it’s boring as hell sitting in a tree stand waiting for deer to come to you, and praying that you’ll get a clear shot while you’re either freezing your nuts off or dying of heat stroke, all while swatting away hordes of biting insects. That’s why I opt for the boat.
Now, if I could hunt deer while on a downwind run, while sipping martinis with hot bikini babes on deck. That’s something I could do all day.
Is this “woman” supposed to be famous or something? I have never heard of her.
Me neither. I think ROK overmagnifies the importance of these internet sluts.
She’s all over the news here in Australia at the moment.
She is a prolific journalist at abc in oz.
Uppity 90 iQ high yella sheboons are even worse.
They excuse and enable worthless felon factories,
are loud, violent. and stink like sh!t.
To add to your analogy, the one I always use is; If you leave your $100,000 car in the ghetto with the keys on the hood, technically someone taking it is illegal, but no one would accuse you of being smart either.
I have the blaming rape victims discussion fairly regularly. I know a few women that dress like sluts, get intoxicated to where they can’t stand (either through alcohol or snorting pills), and then claimed they were raped.
They’re just whores that are too stupid to negotiate a proper fee before giving it away for free to random men :^) Definitely not rape victims though.
The fee isn’t the issue. They just have a hard time justifying their actions. Rather than just owning up to it like a normal person, they just use intoxication as an excuse.
My ex did that with me. She always got pissed at me when women were too nice (waitresses, cashiers, etc.). She did some drugs, and slept with her drug dealer. Later she wanted me to forgive her. Truth be told, I almost could have forgiven her, given that I wasn’t in the relationship for the emotional aspect as much as I was for the CONSTANT freaky sex. What made me show her the door was the hypocrisy. It was okay for her to have an open relationship, but I was to be monogamous. It was just too illogical.
Exactly. People do illegal things all the time, and that’s undoubtedly wrong. However protecting ourselves, or warning others of protecting themselves, so that one does not become the victim of an illegal act, is perfectly logical, and it is not victim blaming.
For example, two years ago, I taught my son to speak up for himself at school when he was being bullied. Is that victim blaming? Is telling other how to defend, protect or guard themselves or their belongings, victim blaming? Would it be correct if I had not told my son to speak up and be confident in front of the bullies, but rather expected the bullies to not bully my son because it was wrong?
Feminists just don’t understand this.
Don’t Want to die by stepping on a LandMine, don’t Go walking in a LandMine Field.
right, feminists don’t make the distinction between blaming the crime and blaming the stupidity, thereby ending up believing in utopian faggotry where the world would be rid of any problems or conflict
its like they never grew past 15
Consent has become the subjective nonsense that epitomizes the female brain. Something bearing as much legal weight as “consent” has to revert back to being discerned at the discretion of men. These concepts are so sorely missing from the logical repertoire of the perpetual victim class.
I remember asking my dad why he wasn’t mad about some topic that I found infuriating. He said, “When you’re young they’re giants, when you’re old they’re windmills.” In an obvious reference to Don Quixote. First world society is so safe and so boring this is what women have stooped to bitching about. I think at this point all of ROKs readership knows women will fabricate drama when there is none just as an outlet for their impotent anger at their hormones. Men eventually realize they’re windmills. Women may see it for what it is at some point but they’ll still call it a giant just for the attention.
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Could please ROK stop posting articles with memes for retards? Was this website for masculine men or for emasculated teenagers with attention span too low?
It hasn’t decided yet.
“…when people get so used to the good life they can’t comprehend that there’s a real world beyond it.”
Or just how thin the viel of civilization really is.
Boy are they likely to get a very very rude awakening…just don’t know when.
I stopped reading at “…she could be called Australia’s Jessica Valenti.”
Fat, check.
Short hair, check.
Saggy tits, check.
WNB
So where are the pics of her saggy tities?
Should be in an ancient National Geographic.
Militant feminist who nobody wants to fuck. Standard.
What the state should be doing is jailing fat cunts for posting nude photos
Females victim complex in Australia has reached the point where even logical well meaning advice is seen as repression. Warning women of the dangers of sending naked photos is hardly sexist, but that shows feminists find offence in everything.
The outrage we have seen in the past week has been ridiculous. Heaven forbid women should consider the potential consequences of their slutty actions
Saw this dickheads post the other day. Said something along the lines of ‘the world is full of fuckheads so minimize risk and take some personal responsibility and stop being a victim’…true to form any dissenting view was deleted and the only comments left are from pink haired harpies and their soft cock male enablers. It can’t be that bad though as before she censored it most of the commentary was calling her out for being a moron…she also got plenty of dickpicks 🙂
*siiiiiiiigh* Sometimes I wish I wasn’t the same gender as these retards…
What’s funny is that if she wanted to take fotos for her lovers, she could have made it a more creative process by taking actual pictures with a real high definition camera, where negatives and the works are required, BUT I’m sure she didn’t because she didn’t want the planet to see her pancake tits and, I’m sure, connect the dot moles. Physical pictures are proof. There is no difference with digital.
Common sense says if you send ANYTHING via technology, it can be exposed. Want it to stay secret-like: DON’T DO IT. Yeah, it can be “unfair” but this is the world we live in; accept and adapt. They ask “when will women learn” because women hold the power when it comes to sex. If they learn to not give it up, or oversexualize everything, they can gain respect and power. This shouldn’t be so hard.
Ladies, please realize in your futile quest of feminism you are setting back the movement. You claim to want to exhibit your strength as a woman, but you use tales of victimization (opposite to strength) to do it. Please, dearest hamsters, get off the wheel if you don’t want to keep going in circles.
I bet she wants to “get fucked”, she’s disgusting looking.
Solid article, excellent take down.
Broads. One thing you can count on is whenever they really want to prove something or are upset they take their clothes off.
One day you guys should cover why feminism exists at all. Just remember, women spend far more money than men do. It benefits banker elites. If I were an unscrupulous, treasonous banker cunt, I would love feminism.
Clementine Ford is absolutely disgusting!
I bet her vagina is like a brillo pad.
To writer: This type of feminism won’t last long in our society because of the impending shift in the economic paradigm of this country. For the first time in this generation, people will understand what it is like to skip a meal (or at least not have a complete one) and be humbled by the stark realisation that material wealth is not a right, but a condition earned through toil and fortitude. The tall poppy, equalist, left wing culture we currently have will be forced, by the threat of starvation, to cede to a much more natural market economy. No, I am not suggesting that our economy is failing. In fact, GDP is anything but contracting. We are, as a whole, becoming a lot richer. However, wealth disparity is also increasing, and the middle class is disappearing. The our current level of artificial equality will soon give way to a much healthier level of inequality, where the rich drive Lamborghinis while and poor literally starve.
You may question whether wealth disparity will cause Ford’s brand of feminism to die out, and you may be right to be skeptical. After all, the U.S is much more economically unequal, and yet it can be just as feminist. What you have to look at, however, is WHO belongs to Australia’s growing demographic of the super rich. I can assure you that they are not caucasian, they are not prone to white knightery, they are not prone to becoming male feminists, and they come from a culture of 5000 years of real patriarchy. And they certainly won’t put up with the behaviour of most women in country if they have a say it. If economic power translates into cultural and behavioural influence, then we may indeed see the end of females like Clementine Ford as more and more local men take up arms to reclaim their god given masculinity.
People are brain washed. I see this in the navy all the time a girl gets assaulted on the fourth floor of the male only barracks no one ask why she was up there or how she climbed four flights of stairs and ended up naked in a males room drunk. It’s all his fault becuase he magicked her there. Never ever blame the victim, when your stuff gets stolen the police ask you if it was locked, get mugged they ask you where you were in the bad part of town, doing ? Attempting to buy crack well that’s your problem. But when it comes to sex we suddenly expect people to be saints when you can’t even leave a waffle around said guy. Tell your daughters don’t be alone with a guy unless she wants the d or it’s absolutely necessary.
I’ve taken nude photos just because I have a smart phone and it’s fun.
If this doesn’t explain why women need to be controlled I don’t know what does.
I’m guessing her nude photos were sent to another feminist beast
It’s also a manifestation of the true hedonistic nature of women. “Let’s do something that’s irresponsible just because it’s fun!”
That picture SCREAMS deranged individual. Some girl saw something on daytime television that upset her so she gets naked and paints her opinions on herself. Really break that down.
How did I find this insane site and how does it keep sucking me in? The comments section….the extremely limited comments section must be responsible. Women take nude pics of themselves for many reasons, one great reason is because it’s a record of beauty in evolution. We change over time and it’s powerful to be able to see those changes. The comments in this section ascribe such limited reasons for women being sexually active outside of marriage. Would you men wnt to be so limited by society? Would you appreciate being told that you’re either a good boy, a jigalo, or an idiot who didn’t negotiate a price? Sex is a shared experience that you should celebrate and enjoy the memory of. Say that you’ve never done something sexually just because it excited you and you wanted the memory and you’re a liar. Women aren’t cows, we aren’t a utility. We create amd raise families in a twenty year span, what the Hell do you expect us to do with the other 60-80 yrs? We are your companions in life, appreciate the value we bring to your existence and show maturity by not being so judgemental of us when we are kind enough to share our bodies with you.
The problem is that you women share your bodies with “you” (me) and dozens of other guys. And you bring little or nothing else to the table. So, yes, you are a utility – a sexual one.
By that flawed reasoning, wouldn’t you then also be a utility – stud?
– trained cook and baker, biologist, able to build my own walls, pay my own bil, I love sex, and I’m hot, wth do you bring to the table? You have literally two values to me, companionship and sex, don’t ruin your value with such ignorance.
You control the sex part. We control the commitment part. You give sex to the alphas while in your prime, betas want to have nothing to do with you passed your wall… Fyi, they’re wising up.. Everybody gets screwed on this deal. Simple.
Lol, you think so? No. The party who knows their value and can stand alone controls the commitment part as you put it. The sex part? It takes two and actual studies on who initiates sex in relationships don’t bear out your thesis. You could really learn a lot from power struggle theories, hint: the person in power has very little to do with their sexual organs, it has way more to do with perception.
“The party who knows their value and can stand alone controls the commitment part as you put it.”
Indeed. After the party years, and passed the wall a woman’s value diminishes dramatically whereas the man’s is just starting to go up. So yes, men control the commitment. You can’t spin this around.
How does a man’s value increase while a woman’s decreases? Why do you think that a woman’s value is her ability to procreate? Amd a man’s isn’t? Men’s sperm gets old and more prone to genetic flaws as well, you should look that up. And, good God, do you realize what your ignorant oppinion means about your idea of your mother’s value? Your grandmother? Have you met honesteading women of today? They’re incredible survivalists and our elders would blow them out of the water. And sex, do you really want shy, inexperienced and phobic women to have sex with? I’d much rather watch an experienced woman show me what she’s learned but I’m just practical like that.
Please don’t bring your feelings into this. Are we having a discussion or not? What we’re talking about here is SMV. A woman’s SMV drops like a rock after 30 yo. That is a fact. It’s simple mechanics. Think about it and get back to me tomorrow. Daddy has to go to sleep now. Busy day tomorrow
Why the fuck are you motherfuckers replying to her…
Lol, I had to look up SMV, maybe it drops in a PERSON’s
30’s, but not if that person has good genes, my mother was still hot and had her last baby at 45. I think a lot of people don’t become attractive until their 30’s – many men, so that may be why they suddenly get laid by the women they couldn’t previously attract.
Sleep well Daddy, have fun making all the monies tmrw.
Yes, fight to hold on to ignorance, that’s surely the best defense against rational thought. Your genuis bleeds through the screen.
I disagree with everything LittleBBIG world said. Feminists are ruining society. But I DO appreciate she more or less honestly shared her point of view.
Even if everything that she said convinces me that women being whores fucks things up.
And that we need more slut shaming. Bad for men, women, and kids also.
Especially kids. SOme former sluts make good mothers, but generally no.
I would never want to marry an aging whore.
No, it’s not because you’re practical like that… it’s because like most femenists who are masculine, you are also lesbian. Maybe that’s why you’re hanging out with the boys here. Perhaps you have a gender identity issue going on…
Trending too far in either direction is bad for society, women should be loved and celebrated for their attributes as should men. I don’t kniw how many times I can say that I’m not a feminist, but if the choice is between being considered a feminist or accepting being referred to asa slut or a whore, I’ll choose to be referred to as a feminist as will every other sane woman….thankfully that isn’t the choice. You guys may not understand it entirely but what you’re promoting (if I ignore the derrogatory bs) is the nuclear family unit as a basic building block of society. That works well when men respect and love their women and people live to be 65 but men aren’t loving and respecting women and we’re living much longer. One of my brothers thought the way that you do until he fell in love, got married, and had extremely smart daughters on his farm. It’s hard to see women as livestock when you watch your female offspring excell in STEM areas and realize that they have value outside of their ability to cook, clean, and give birth. We don’t live in the prehistoric world in which marriage was created anymore, the laws of the jungle are being applied very differently.
I am for the nuclear family as basic building block. It is the only healthy way to have kids.
Kids raised by a herd, single mother (married to state) is repulsive.
It is good to hear someone say it directly.
Feminism is the enemy of the nuclear family.
I would agree but it takes twenty years to raise a family, what is this couple supposed to do with their 60-80 childless years? Why should sex (an activity that we indulge in through our life span) be spoken of only in terms of reproduction?
The nuclear family unit is sacrosanct but people don’t exist just to procreate. A woman (and man for that matter) is not only valuable for their reproductive abilities. If you want a woman to want to be with you through your life span don’t treat her like a brood mare. Share your life and respect her right to strive to enjoy living hers.
You do realize though that your position is the polar opposite of feminism and is just as unhealthy…right? No, of course not.
Feminism is to vegetarians what your oppinion is to low carb dieters – polar opposites that need to intersect a bit to be healthy.
What you say-that women should be in the job market-is the way I have lived my life with my own wife.
But there is a lot more happening in feminsim than that.
Modern feminism has a very misandric, marxist bent.
Do you think I was upset when my wife paid off our mortgage ? In my generation, in the 1980’s, feminism was ususally portrayed as a reinforcement of the family. It is only in the last 20 years or so that crazy rad-feminism has gone mainstream. Gender studies departments should be dismantled. I remember my head was swimming the first time I walked out of a gender studies class in grad school in 1993. I had always had a laid back view of what feminism was. Basic fairness. It was then that I started to realize feminism was becoming a hate movement.
I persoanlly do not think women have gained anything since the 1980’s. My wife was able to make more money than I at times. At least if feminism is considred from the point of view of equality.
What has changed is things like “rape culture hysteria”, celebration of the slutmarch etc. Demonization of men in publications that are center left such as the Guardian. Kangaroo courts on campus where men can be kicked out of college on a 50.001 presumption of guilt.
Nothing is to be gained through all that. I was an 1980’s feminist. My wife and I have lived that. But the fringe has gone mainstream.
I would not trust an American woman today. Especially with financial “divorce rape’. Modern culture has brainwashed this generation.
Talked to my college student son this week-end. Told him that women are more likely to push for marriage. Then after they have what they want, divorce.
With a child and nice pension from their ex. Told him to marry overseas. Fortunately, he has dual citizenship.
Get ready for a shift in feminism. They are still playing the victim card to make gains and surpass men. We are nearing that tipping point. Once we are there, you will see a shift in the feminist propaganda line.
“We are ahead because we are superior.”
And not equality, but the new matriarchy will be celebrated. (From that point of view, yes there have been gains. Men are now 40 percent of student body. I would say a hostile environment is being created toward straight white males.)
I agree, I wrote a paper about that ten years ago. There is no question that the white male has become a favored scape goat. I have two teen sons, I’m horrified that they’re judged and found guilty having committed no crime but that is a subset of what we’re talking about. Society and culture move in revolutions, they always cycle back to the same issues. Last time it was black people being given the vote and the respect of legitimacy. Following that came women’s right to vote, in the next revolution it was equal rights of 1964 followed by women’s lib. It’s come around again, the rights of people of color are followed by the rights of women…it’s symmetry.
Men extol the virgin. Women love the alpha dog, even they are abused. Virgin men are ridiculed. Sluts are also. There are perhaps good reasons for that. Women are likely to see a dude who lacks confidence to get laid as able to make it in business.
If they are sluts before marriage, they will whore around afterwards.
I have never cheated on my wife, and I do not think she has on me.
Generally, a dude can cheat and still want to stay with his wife. A wife who cheats will soon want out of the marriage.
I spoke with my cousin who is 55, has never been married, and has spent his entire life “fucking pretty girls”, as he says.
He told me this. If he has not had sex in a while, girls will be less interested in him. He is convinced that men who screw a lot have a different scent or something that make them desirable to women. The more he screws, the easier it is. The less, the more difficult to recover.
So when sluts feel sorry for themselves and the fact they are not respected, maybe they can also spare a tear for the male virgin. He also is an object of derision.
I wouldn’t have minded a slut showing me a few of her tricks. But I still regard her as dirty. (And there are medical reasons to back up my bias).
So I would prefer to marry the virgin. (Even if she is not as good in bed and may never be. Will be a better mother and wife regardless).
And in any case, as I am married, I do not plan on screwing around.
I don’t think that your idea of a slut and mine are the same. Nor do I think that most of your cohorts would say that a woman need go so far to be considered a slut by them. My first husband died young, my second turned out to be a serial cheater, I’m not celibate
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I’m not at all interested in marrying again. I’m a slut in their world, i want sex for my ow n enjoyment, not procreation in service to some man. I refuse to be slut shamed and I don’t think that you would be so ignorant that you would slut shame – ANYONE. You know it’s wrong.
I thought the same thing. A reply isn’t going to teach her anything.
A woman who has never had a family will not be as good a mother or wife if she has a lot of sexual partners. A young girl saving herself for her family is good for children and families. Slut shaming serves a useful purpose for society.
I would never want to get married again either, as I would want to leave an inheritance to my son, not a new wife if something were to happen.
For older folk, it is better perhaps, not to get re-married (except that shacking up sets a bad example for youth.)
BUt sexual gratification should not be the goal of society, even if it makes people a little frustrated.
Right now, children are collatoral damage for promiscuity. Whereas it makes more sense for sexual gratification to be collatoral damage for childdren and families.
Both cannot co-exist very well. Marriage does require some self-restraint.
But if something were to happen to my wife, I would only consider shacking up if she was pretty and interested in gardening and canning vegetables.
My Mom was living with a dude as my dad died. I told her not to get married for above reasons.(property). That men her age were looking for “a purse or a nurse”.
I see a lot of shameless old geezers trolling old women who have some money. It is my job to keep them in line for the continuation of family property.
I make sure they have a healthy dose of fear when I am around. And let them know nobody will marry my mom. !!!
Different situations require different morality.
Women build families, they gather and grow in the comfort snd support that we provide – regardless of how many sexual partners we’ve had though I do agree that when and who we play kitchen twister (my favorite euphemism) with should be private information that children aren’t in on. I worked in the nursing industry before I had children and trust me, its the things that weren’t experienced not the things that were that dying people regret. I won’t regret of I can avoid it.
I’ve watched friends lose their parents recently ( I have older friends) and watching the step-parent’s children inherit family heirlooms was hard for them. The remaining estate passing to the new spouse was ugly. A will is a beautiful thing. – and recall, I don’t promote multiple marriages, I just know that even 80 yr olds have a libido. I think your devotion to your wife is beautiful and I like you so much for that.
My Grandma built families. She was one of seven sisters. Born in 1903. School teacher. Masters degree. Published poet. Canned pantry full of veggies my grandfather grew in his garden.Okra, tomatoes, beets, parsnips, tomatoes, pickled cukes etc. Never heard her speak an unkind word. Master chef of French and old style Americana cuisine. Sewed her kids clothes.
I look at the quality of people, my grandfather and grandmother. It is scandalous to me that the left is trying to socially engineer that society out of existence. Traditional Christianity is a superior code of ethics to secularism and produces higher quality people.
Look at the Gay Pride and Slut March Parades.People have sex in the streets. How far we have fallen. Simon Beauvoir, the French feminist, wanted the family dismantled and raised by nameless bureacrats.
It is the destruction of all that is of value and the replacement with a bureacratic machine to replace the family that makes me hate post-1990’s feminist and LGBT movements. (When fringe feminism replaced common sense equality feminism).
I actually see the self-reliant person as less oppressed than the feminist who dreams of “working for the man/girl. Working outside the home on somebody else’s shit is “liberation”.
My mother is like that, she learned from her mother. My mom bore 16 single births (conservative Catholics), owned and ran 3 bakeries amd restaurants and managed to raise all of us hellions 🙂 she has 97 grandchildren and is loved very much. She taught me to bake, cook, make my own pasta and raspberry jam …she’s amazing. She didn’t find her version of feminism until she was in her fifties, she, like myself, believes that the main problem in society is people treating others as things to use. It was liberalism, in a way, the perverted version that exists today. Criminologists circle and circle but in all the text books the intimation is that children should be removed from their environment in order to promote equality which would/should negate the intelligence gap and socioeconomic gap over time thus reducing crime. It’s interesting to see them circle the idea repeatedly but never state it knowing that it would be very poorly received.
So there you see thee conundrum on this site. Roosh gives dudes (generally unmarried singles) advice on how to make it in this world as a dude.
Where no girl is worthy of attention for long term.. They just don’t make’em like granny’s generation, or so it seems. It is extreme at times, but there has to be a grassroots counter to the hundreds of millions poured into academic gender studies.
Some of current problems are natural. Men and women both have their dark sides. I personally think men and women could work it out just fine if not for one thing.
Social engineers have targeted universities as the institution to fund and promote cultural marxism. As sthe family is the last refuge against corporate consumerist control and creation of a “new human”. Patriarchal Chriatianity, tempered somewhat by a very some early women’s lib, was a good order.
I did not realize it at the time, but we had it pretty good in the 1980’s.
Gender studies departments (which create bitch from hell misnadrists) are a major tool to socially engineer away the family. Young people today I think imagine the 1980’s as a time when the patriarchy ruled women with an iron fist. I think women were almost equal in career opportunities and more than equal with regard to choices.)
I was apalled at a study I read on a voice for men. The majority of the young folk (2/3 of college girls) think it is a bigger problem if a rapist gets off than if a falsely accused person is punished. Collatoral damage is fine if it is a “disposable male”.
Whether rape or any crime, I grew up with the education that the worst possible ccrime was to convict an innocent.
These new attitudes did not arise naturally. They have been engineered.
And feminists need to look at the roots of their own movement. Simone Beauvoir was all about engineering away the possibility for women to stay at home with children. Wanted children raised by the state.
(I would love for my son to find a Phillipine catholic hat has not lived in tis country. Young dudes have a lot to navigate these days. You may not like the attitudes on this page expressed. BUt it should give pause when it is all Fortune 500 corporate groups that give billions to sponsor feminist “charities”. They are not charities at all but political cells).
Maybe you can turn your sons on to RooshV. Or the less radical Voice for Men. If no good women are to be found and the choice is Roosh or MGTOW, I think the better choice is the Roosh alpha dog who treats the world as his territory to pee than the perpetual victim MGTOW who suffers in silence.
In response to my criticism of MGTOW, the other day MGTOW dude of 50 or so posted a picture of himself one day walkng his dog in nature to show what a great lifestyle he had. I did not ridicule him but felt sorry for the dude.
I would hope that my sons could avoid a socially engineered gender war. I think a lot of how you feel about that is where you are and what’s culturally acceptable there. I find it interesting that you kind of mirror conversations I’ve had about Margaret Senger, she was all about social engineering through genocide but with the reflective confusions of history, she’s celebrated as a woman’s liberation hero. I suppose who you see as the engineer is dependent on what you see as the problem. Everything cycles, women’s liberation being twisted to what it’s become isn’t the problem, it’s just a symptom. I think it really comes down to the individual vs the collective, the value inherent and rights of the individual protect society from going down some pretty dark paths. After the fall of the Nazis the world’s governments rushed in to acquire their scientists and experimental data. It was considered insanely valuable because it was unrestricted by morality or human rights. That freedom, the freedom to clone humans, experiment w/o restriction, is utopia for some and individual rights prevent that and other scientific advances in a lot of ways. I think that you maybe can’t see the forest for the trees – but then I’m biased.
You’re arguing about why there are double standards.. when you haven’t even bothered to read many of the arguments on the manosophere about why those double standards exist, and why they should exist.
There are double standards because men and women are different,, they have different biologies, sex drives (for the most part) and different sexual imperatives. For a woman, even the most average looking one, getting sex is easy. All she has to do is show up and have a vagina. For men, it’s a lot more difficult. It requires not only good looks but also confidence, conversation skills, charm .. everything has to be executed perfectly or else women just lose interest and find another man to amuse them and be their dancing monkeys. Women are far more difficult and picky and awful that way. As someone once put it, the difference between a slut and a player is this: it’s the difference between a faulty lock and a master locksmith.
A lot of what you say us accurate but I encourage you to read comments section in more female themed sites. Women feel and think in a very similar way. The difference that I note most is that women look for a connection w a man, we want a man to at lleast seem to have some understanding of us and what we want, Hell, what we need. What we find most often is a man pretending to be what we’re looking for so he can get laid or homed honestly, most men seem to want home, that concept, more than sex.
And the myth about a woman needing only a vagina to get laod is a myth. How do you expect this mythical woman to spread her legs when giving any man an inch in this society makes her a whore in ignorant male eyes? Don’t be so judgemental and we may be better at sharing our sexuality with you.
“Women feel and think in a very similar way”
Absolutely not.
” The difference that I note most is that women look for a connection w a man”
The “connection” is your hamster rationalizing the whoring around.
“What we find most often is a man pretending to be what we’re looking for so he can get laid”
These are the alphas (and the faking betas) playing on your hypergamy. Yep, the game is played with very sharp knives.
As to the betas the ones you “pretend” you’re after, you won’t give them the time of day.
“giving any man an inch in this society”
Giving any man an inch???? You must be kidding me. I’m not gonna even reply to this.
There is a new kind of woman, not socialized to believe that our ability to procreate and our husbands are our value. We like sex, love it, but our ultimate goal is not to make you a damn fine ham sandwich and get petted a little when you come home from work. We want to share life with you while enjoying our own. My biggest worry when I consider allowing a man into my home for sex is that he’ll be a tool who thinks of women as whores and good girls, we’re just people and your socialization has confused the Hell out of you regarding us.
“Women feel and think in a very similar way.”
How so? Can you be specific about what you mean by that..
“so he can get laid or homed honestly, most men seem to want home, that concept, more than sex.”
Maybe I’m just not clued into what the young Kool Kidz are saying these days and their lingo but I have no idea what you mean by “homed.”
“we want a man to at lleast seem to have some understanding of us and what we want”
Well this is what the manosphere and the men here wrestle with. What they have found and what they claim is that women say one thing and want another. They want the “bad boys”.. the flashy types.. the alpha thugs… the ones who know how to play the game and get a woman into bed and fuck her hard and well and who treats her like the disposable commodity she becomes. So is that what you want ? Over the sweet but boring nice guy who really does want commitment and a real relationship?
“And the myth about a woman needing only a vagina to get laod is a myth”.
Honestly, I really don’t thnk that’s a myth. That’s a typical woman speaking.. when you have no idea what it is like to be a man and to get sex… I see average looking women who are approached by dozens of guys.. online and in real life.. They can and do get sex far more easier than the corresponding average looking guys.
“Don’t be so judgemental and we may be better at sharing our sexuality with you.”
This again is what women said before the sexual revolution, and what men foolishly fell for. They thought by encouraging female sexual liberation, they as men would beneift. But the empirical reality turned out to be something a lot different.. in that only a small percentage of highly sought after alpha males ended up benefiting.. with most other men being shut out.
I think you are right somewhat though.. in that men do judge women who are sluts and sleep with lots of men.. even if these same men want to sleep with these women. But I think this is primal and biological .. and perhaps borne out of the primal fear of being cuckolded. Men, unlike women, can never be sure the child their mate is carrying is theirs. So men have a reflexive and primal repulsion for sluts.. when it comes to choosing them as long-term partners and for marriage. Yes, this is hypocritical of men.. because they certainly want sluts for casual sex.. but this is why men (and women) were protected from their worst instincts through sexual and social mores that created a culture that restricted casual sex and restricted women from riding the cock carousel in their most marriageable years, and gave men an incentive and desire to marry and commit to relatively or outright chaste women.
The notion that default human nature, including sexual behaviour, should be allowed to run rampant without any restrictions, and that absolute freedom is the highest value, are false and destructive premises that are borne out of the Enlightenment and are one of the many reasons most Western liberal societies are hedonistic, demographic dead-ends.
When I say that men and women feel and think in similar ways I meam that they do, read a comments section on Jezebel sometime, women and men walk through the world being told separatist bs from birth but we really both want and enjoy the same things. We play roles prescribed to us by society until we realize that we don’t care what others think, really don’t care and then men say things like “she’s me with breasts, it’s crazy” when she really always was. She just wasn’t allowed to be herself w/o being judged. Men, good God, men always end up in the traditional female roles with me. They’re emotional, affectionate, romantic, fighting for that commitment. Are they effeminate? No, just being themselves w/o judgement.
Cont.
Homed – in the puppy rescue sense- means that men want that warm bed that smells of our perfume and sex, the scent of breakfast in the morning, the key to our front door. They want home.
Amd women maybe could have better chances at getting laid if ya’ll would stop calling us whores and prostitutes simply because we want to feel a man inside of us. That’s our sexuality, a huge component in happiness, stop slut-shaming.
Cont.
And women on their c*ck carousel… biologically women get one shot every year or so, men can procreate continuously. Women will by necessity evolve to be more picky about who they procreate with. That is a limited context though because of en vitro fertilization, cryogenics, and birth control. Your biggest enemy in getting laid really is society telling women to be that picky, that we’re judged by the number of men we share our bodies with, don’t add to that problem.
Amd ultimately, stop making sex about procreation, it isn’t any longer. I’m not talking about absolute freedom sexually, that could lead to horrible things. I’m saying that women aren’t aliens, we want respect and consideration. As far as what we’re attracted to? The most talented baseball and football players are also generally the most popular – with men and women. The same principal applies to sex. It’s late here and I have a cold, I hope this is coherent.
“Your biggest enemy in getting laid really is society telling women to be that picky”
Yeah, I don’t buy that, sorry. Society doesn’t tell women to be picky. IT’s their nature.. as a result of millions of years of evolution. In fact, women are too picky for their own good.. and left to their own devices and given too much freedom, they will abuse their freedom and sqaunder their most marriageable, younger, sexier years on slutting it up with the “hawt” bad boys instead of locking in a good man for marriage. And that is the only way that’s a fair bargain for a man.. to have sexual access to a woman during her most sexier and desirable years, which is when she is younger rather than when she is older and has had multiple dicks and men inside her. It makes no sense for a man to commit to a woman like that and for her worst 30 years way after her sexually prime and desirable years.
“I’m saying that women aren’t aliens, we want respect and consideration.”
Yeah, that’s pretty much bullshit. If that was the case, all the nice guys would be getting laid big time. No, what women want is something else.. They want a “hawt,” high value man who displays dominant, alpha traits.. fucks her hard and well.. and treats her like shit. This is what most men have discovered to be true female nature. Women don’t respect a man who gives them “respect and consideration”.. she’ll dump him or friendzone that kind of man every day for the jerk and alpha.
“As far as what we’re attracted to? The most talented baseball and
football players are also generally the most popular – with men and
women.”
Yeah, well, this is the problem right there, isn’t it. So to get any action and to even be on the radar of women and make their pussies tingle you have to be a fucking baseball and football player??! Do you realize how ridiculous and unrealistic that sounds? That’s tthe difference between men and women.. men don’t have those kind of unrealistic expectations and high standards. Sure, men like to admire hot women .. but most men will be happy to get laid with a reasonably attractive slim woman.. and men don’t care what her accomplishments are.. she could be a fucking waitress for all they care.
“That’s our sexuality, a huge component in happiness, stop slut-shaming.”
Yeah, you keep repeating this argument.. even when I have rebutted it and have told you exactly why slut-shaming is necessary. Women aren’t men and should be judged by different standards.
I’ve also told you that whatever the claim women might make about how if men didn’t “slut-shame” (and it is not clear at all that it is men who primarily slut-shame.. more likely, it is women who slut-shame other women.. because sluts make it difficult for women wanting marriage and commitment to secure those things from men) it would be a pussy paradise for men and we would get laid easily and basically be living in a sexual utopia. That isn’t how things have worked. In reality, what has resulted because of female sexual liberation and the sexual revolution is an extremely unfair and unregulated sexual market, in which the top 20 percent of men monopolize most women and get most of the action, shutting out most other men because of women’s very difficult and picky natures, i.e., their hypergamous female nature.
Read this excellent piece by F Roger Devlin called “Sexual Utopia in Power” for a more in depth argument and explanation of this:
https://dontmarry.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/sexualutopia.pdf
“Men, good God, men always end up in the traditional female roles with
me. They’re emotional, affectionate, romantic, fighting for that
commitment. Are they effeminate? No, just being themselves w/o
judgement.”
So because this is what happens in your case, you assume that men and women are the same and interchangeable? Maybe you’re just an outlier.. and given what you have said in your previous comments elsewhere about being sexually abused or raped when you were young, and being incapable of associating love with sex, I would politely suggest maybe you are fucked up emotionally and incapable of bonding with a man sexually. I’m not sa ying this to be mean or to hurt you.. I hope it doesn’t come across that way. It takes courage to expose oneself through your online comments and admit vulnerabilities.. and I would never be as petty as to use that against someone.. but I’m just suggesting to you that just because you don’t care for marriage or commitment and aren’t interested in those things, and your relationships end up with men being overly emotional..and you being the one not interested in commitment, doesn’t mean this is the case for all, or even most women and their relationships with men.
Men and women have some big differences. Women crave and want relationships, commitment and emotional intimacy a lot more than men. Men want casual sex without commitment with lots of women. I don’t think those really far-fetched or incorrect premises and claims. Does that mean all men want only casual sex all the time.. or that some women aren’t interested in no strings attached hot casual sex? No, of course not.. but for the most part, and for most men and women, I think those differences in sexual imperatives and sex drives are true. It’s the negotiation of those desires and needs of men and women that creates a middle-ground where men and women can find some compromise.
Also it’s a big stretch to claim those insane, extreme, slutty feminist whores on Jezebel and the women who comment there are in any way representative of most women.
“There is a new kind of woman,” blah blah blah
There is no “new kind of woman”.. there is simply the re-emergence of true feral, slutty, hypergamous female nature.. and which is the inevitable result of removing the necessary social controls and constrains on women that kept their worst tendencies at bay.
Women have always been hypergamous and opportunistic whores.. selfish, short-sighted creatures who are incapable of making sober, realistic and rational decisions when it comes to securing a long-term mate. That’s why, for their sake and for the sake of men, and to ensure a stable, functioning and balanced society, you had social controls and mores that restricted female behaviour, and male behaviour for that matter. Then feminism and the sexual revolution came along and thought they knew better than thousands of years of tradition, and so you have the re-emergence of the same old feral whore female nature.
I know you think you’re being very clever. .but really, you’re just regurgigating standard feminist arguments that have been rebutted a thousand times on the manosphere. You’re like a child wandering into some place and screaming loudly .. thinking you know better than everyone when you really don’t. We’ve thought about these things with far more depth than you have, trust me. Read this very intelligent and in-depth piece for example.. and when you have fully digested the arguments in there, maybe we can talk then:
Sexual Utopia in Power
https://dontmarry.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/sexualutopia.pdf
Otherwise, you’re just starting from zero and most men here don’t have the patience or inclination to educate you on the basics.
You are seriously studying this, not in a casual way but in the way that religious people study tomes….that worries me. In all fairness and in full disclosure, I live outside the norm and always have. Societal controls, indoctrinations, etc have not had control in my life. When others look to see where the crowd is walking and what they’re wearing to emulate them I look at the numbers and data to see what force impelled them. I say this to give you an idea of where I’m coming from when I say that marriage and procreation are not going to be (very shortly) driving forces in women or men’s lives. Self sufficiency and self actualization will be. Men and women on equal footing coming together, meeting, enhoying each other, and then moving on…friends but w/o dependency.
Feral whores…and men? What are they? Sowing their wild oats? I reject the hypocracy and think you should ask yourself why you feel so strongly? Does it really have any impact in your life? It might be the cold medicine but you seem acidic about women.
They aren’t representative of all women but they are trendsetters.
You read my previous comments re: rape. That woke me up. It’s interesting how much is readily available to those who choose to look. I’ve actually always been more traditionally male in my behaviors, I am an outlier. However I’m also a people watcher, study reader, and psych minor w access to many journals. Trust me when I say that your understanding of women is skewed. Your understanding of attraction is skewed. And your understanding of me is also skewed though that doesn’t matter. If you want a woman and your self sufficient, followthe numbers, move to an area where marriageable women outnumber their male counterparts and you’ll have your pick.
Oh my, that could have been written by my father, 2 yrs in the seminary becoming a priest before marriage and a career in psychiatry. That’s extremely dated, I’m surprised it didn’t reference phrenology. It’s grounded in christianity and regards women as little more than pretty imbeciles. It’s very sad. We don’t live in such a limited world any more and I’m very grateful for that.
“And the myth about a woman needing only a vagina to get laod is a myth.”
Are you off your rocker?
You’re actually sitting there, with a straight face, telling me women have it tough when it comes to getting laid? That any average women CAN’T walk into a bar or nightclub (hell even walking the street would do) , flutter her eyelashes and ask a random dude, “hey lets go back to my place”..and the vast majority of the men there will say no? What planet are you on to even deny this?
Now contrast this with the sheer agony that we as men who are not..
-rich
-posessing model good looks
-famous
..have to go through to get laid.
Your lying is fucking sickening, and a prime example of why men often don’t take women seriously.
This isn’t about you, troll elsewhere.
So why would you seek commitment and understanding when all you are offering is… I’m not quite sure, what is it that you are offering exactly and what is wrong with making a ham sandwich? Do you want to mow the lawns, fix stuff and do the blokey things instead? If you do, then you are fighting for our roles and unfortunately we want a companion, not competition. Yin/Yang etc.
It isn’t about me, specifically, I agree. I wasn’t trollling though, I’m actually not a feminist, nor a humanist. I look for rational responses to what is obviously meant to be inflammatory statements by the author. I read the comments section because I want to know how the men I meet when I go out really think. This site probably isn’t representative though, its a borderline hate site. Some people on here are rational and trying to understand women and family, others are brimming with belligerent ignorance like a teenager who just discovered politics.
I don’t seek commitment personally, I seek conpanionship. There is nothing wrong with cooking for a man and giving him comfort so long as I’m not doing it with a chain around my ankle for a pat on the head. I don’t mow my own lawn, I’m too little for that to be fun, there’s a sweet guy who owns his own business who does it for me at a very reasonable price. I do fix a lot of my own problems around the house, the ones that aren’t too heavy or require greater strength than I possess. I enjoy mudding a wall and painting it, that doesn’t make me a lesbian, it makes me self sufficient. I don’t want to play a male role, I love watching men in their element as much as you love seeing a woman in hers I’m sure. I just want you to understand that women aren’t livestock, we’re different from you but that doesn’t mean we don’t deserve respect or the right to make our own choices. You specifically seem reasonable, seem reasonable. Treat women the way you would appreciate being treated were you to find yourself in their position in society.
I’m not saying that a woman can’t walk into a bar and pick up a man any given night, I’m saying that society programs women to not be able to have sex without considering themselves a whore after picking up some guy in a bar. It’s like putting a glass of water on a table in front of a dehydrated person and saying “just reach out, drink it, its that simple….but if you do you’re of repugnant character to your family and friends.”
Then let’s take into account how little we are. We pick you up, love your muscles, take you home to share our bed with you. We’re taking a Hell of a chance, you could beat us, hurt us, rob us, anything. We aren’t big enough to stop you. It’s extremely dangerous to allow a man into our homes, we’re relying heavily on trust and have you read some of the comments on this site? Would you trust these guys with your world?
“We want to share life with you while enjoying our own.”
Statistics show otherwise. The divorce rate is 50% with 80% of them initiated by women because “they are not happy”. Please let me know how many of these women turned down alimony and child support. I’ll tell you exactly: none.
80% initiated by unhappy women…what does that say to you?
We live in a society that treatspeople as if they’re bic disposable lighters. Most of the men on this site refer to women only having value for roughly 20% of their lives, would you want to be married to someone who didn’t care about you beyond your ability to have sex, provide offspring,cook and clean? I agree that the divorce rate is ridiculous but I believe it’s more about people being treated and used like they’re things not some grand conspiracy for women to take advantage of men.
Amd why the Hell would women turn down child support? You agreed to make those children together, provide for them together, that’s being a parent. And spousal support? Someone needs to raise those children, someone didn’t have the opportunity to build a career because they were carrying those children to term and changing their diapers. Pay spousal support until she or he can have that opportunity. I have a brother who recieves spousal support because he took time off from his career to raise his children amd another brother who is a stay at home dad while his wife practices law. This isn’t an issue exclusive to women.
Ugly women have a tough time getting laid.
I’d wager that even an ugly woman has an easier time getting laid than any man.
http://jonmillward.com/blog/attraction-dating/cupid-on-trial-a-4-month-online-dating-experiment/
Yes. Women are sexists and only like baseball and football stars and not the average good guy. See, it’s all women’s fault for being attracted to alphas. Stop victimizing the alphas.
This is exactly how feminists think.
ANY woman will always have a thirsty suitor or two hanging about somewhere who won’t hestitate to give her the interview, and throw a length or two into her.
Unless she’s deformed or otherwise handicapped, no woman has an issue getting laid. Now they might certainly have an issue finding a man who fits their tastes and/or requirements, certainly, but that don’t mean she’ll have any difficulty securing sausage.
Women love to accuse men of slut shaming, but in reality the slut shaming is done by women. Men don’t slut-shame; they merely demur to committing to a relationship with a slut.
Both women’s slut-shaming and men’s slut aversion are completely sensible behaviors, by the way.
I suppose it depends on your understanding of slut shaming, I personally think that the world needs beautiful women who are unashamed of accenting that beauty in any way they like. The great sex bombs like pin up girls and actresses wouldn’t exist if people like you had their way. That one woman wearing red lip stick in a nude world opened a door artistically for all people. She had courage. As far as actual sexual behavior, judge not lest ye be judged. The world needs the deviants or it wouldn’t evolve. Deviations in behavior are a necessary component in the survival of our species. Also, for the ignorant, deviant means different, not bad, just not the norm.
Yeah, but do not marry a slut. When she gets bored with you, get ready to be divorce raped and financially plundered by the courts.
Screw the sluts if you like. But do not fall in their clutches. Mama was right about good girls.
Plus you will never see your kids again. They will be raised to have a low level of ethics, self-control, and self-discipline.
Lol, good girls…good men are hard to identify. I would ( if I were interested in that avenue) marry the person who excites and impresses me, but above all, the person with loyalty and honor. Not some doe eyed, ignorant person who had no experience to draw from when making life choices that I deemed “good” simply because they hadn’t stepped outside of social boundaries in their life. Marry a woman who won’t cheat on her marriage because she would lose respect for herself, not because she’s of such weak character that she fears society judging her.
And divorce rape…prenuptual agreements regarding financially caring for your offspring and off-setting the loss of income of the person caring for those offspring would protect you from what you refer to as divorce rape. However don’t refer to fairly caring for your offspring divorce rape, that is just meeting an obligation that you should be grateful for. I’m a woman, I worked to raise my children – to meet my obligations, I’m grateful for those obligations as well as the pride of earning their way.
Maybe later in life. A second marriage, perhaps, after kids are grown up you make valid points. Which is sort of playing house any way.
The big enchildada, the one that is sacred, is the one that takes place before God and which leads to the creation of life. Creation of life ideally had a purity element.
All the adventure/etc/ play second fiddle to the sacred. Traditional cultures understood that. Marriage was more than a consumer item to be enjoyed.
That’s not understood anymore, trying to explain that marriage is a sacred rite, that it ia to be held above all trivial concerns and protected, to today’s men is impossible because absolutely nothing is sacred to the people that I see and meet. They don’t know what that word means. Neither of my husbands came to our marriage bed a virgin, neither did I. I kind of agree with where you’re coming from but that environment doesn’t exist anymore. To me it’s about who you love, that connection, I don’t care if they’ve had sexual congress.
Women in generaql prefer men are not virgins. It is hard-wired. Men prefer the opposite. They have good reasons for this. But it is not to be explained only in terms of the love word.
I do not think anyone can really trust the love of a woman who has screwed around for years. It is largely a sort of psycho-babble. Better leave her alone.
This site takes the position that it is pointless to even try.
Sacred texts had a much deeper understanding of human psychology than Psychology Today.
I am seeing more and more just how hopelessly screwed up our society is. And why there are fewer women worth the committment.
Maybe it is good that women make their own money. I would certainly not want to commit to supporting finaincially the rest of my life a woman who was deciding to settle on me because her biological clock was ticking and she nhad to sift focus from exploring her sexuality with the alphas..
As they say, settle on the beta. This is a problem that I had never seen talked about.
I am soooo glad I am not in the market today. I think Roosh is right that feminism has made most anglo women not worthwhile.
This site is useful in raising the awareness of the nature of women.
I am not going to say that women are worse than men. However, I will say that there are some serious dark sides of both genders. It has been fashionable to talk about the shortcomings of men for years now. In academia, media, sitcoms etc.
This site shocks because it is one of the few sites that exposes the serious problems in the behaviour of women.
Maybe it is offensive. But it is only a website. Feminists have a whole pseudo sciience in academic departments on college campus that study the evil of men.And how women are victims.
A total lie. I personally have had enough.
But the new solution is to get the beta to pay for the alphas kids through taxes.
Sluts ride the cock carousel, get knocked up by alphas, and get the betas to pay for the kid with welfare state taxes.
Feminsin is creating a beta farm. But the betas aren’t even allowed to sit at home and enjoy their video games as they like wowithout Anita Sarkesian trying to ruin that for them.
I think that is a good reason for slut shaming. How they mooch off the welfare state and promote socialism.
Maybe women generally do prefer experienced men but how does jealousy of past affairs play into that? Personally I resented that my husband had experienced puppy love with another woman, that his first sexual explorations were her memories. Upon consideration of who we werewhen we met and how we learned from each other I realized that our experiences were part of what attracted and bonded us. I don’t have daughters, I can’t say how comfortable I would be with their sexuality but I can say that I would absolutely never shame them for being sexual beings though I would definitely advise great caution. That ‘sex is dirty’ mentality is so very unhealthy. I hope that my sons marry well should they choose to do so but in all honesty, if given the chance to do it over, I wouldn’t have married at all and so I don’t share my opinion with them. I don’t think that men are trustworthy in that context – so you can see that women and men actually can think alike. It’s all about perspective.
Those women aren’t sluts, they’re parasites. Sluts can be women who have tattoos and an intact hymen according to some of the comments on this site. I have lesbian friends who have never slept w a man who are routinely called sluts because they dress provocatively…those aren’t sluts, they’re a cultural adaptation to widespread corruption in every level of society.
Tell them to go overseas. A woman who has had “emotional experiences” through sexual exploration is more ruined perhaps than a man.
Women are hard-wired to prefer experienced. Men are hard-wired to not prefer this.
Biology knows a few things that “relationship psycho-babble” cannot explain.
I’ve seen the women overseas, and those marriages. That’s a business arrangement, it isn’t romantic or connected…to me that isn’t marriage. Those are the same women who would ask “why you not have more children, your man has money?” I want my children to share the experience of marriage w women who can understand and connect with them . Maybe they’ll meet like- minded women in college, I hope so. I think that you don’t really have to look overseas, conservative families raise their daughters to be supportive, subservient women who provide home, hearth, and offspring. Trust me, the average number of children my seven sisters have is seven, none of them are divorced.
And it is precisely that demand for an ever sustaining potent emotional connection by women that destroys homes. It is unrealistic.
There is a zen phenomenon. When you realize it will not always be there, then it is there. There is a traditional cultural value of accepting one’s not in Asian cultures. Perhaps disappearing, perhaps not.
(Men have the problem of wanting to screw the pretty girls. Yes, a few idiots leave their family for the better fuck. But they often deserve what the get.).
But the problem is this. Nobody is celebrating in pop culture the dude who successfully gets a piece of ass behind his wife’s back. It is happen but frowed upon. However, turn on the TV and all the emotional baggage and drama is there to make women’s narcissism seem like enlightened inner searching. If the dude is not constantly serving all her emotional needs when he would rather just sit back and have a beer, then he is insensitive and she is right to leave him. And take the kids with her.
He has already been the sperm bank any way, and with a good lawyer, you can get a nice pension out of him.
The “beta farm”.
A potent emotional connection is perfectly reasonable, we have that with our mothers, puppies, friends…that isn’t what the women you’re referencing are missing…unless it is and if so, she should leave him. Love, companionship – that’s potent emotional connection. What most women are missing 7 yrs into a marriage is sex, not 4 minute sex, the kind to get excited about. Men act like the woman they married has no value as a woman while all others are staring at her. She wonders what’s wrong w him and usually finds that he’s cheating…or he’s chosen to get fat and old before his time…horrible to see.
I just see it all as a celebtation of female narcissism. Women have come to believe the propaganda because there is nothing else in the culture.
Even the tiny “manoshphere” is resented. Even if the mass media, and even academia celebrates female virtue and castigates men as evil.
I remember I came back from Japan in 1998 after 14 years abroad. Mothers day rolled around. Went to church. Mothers day sermon. All was syrupy sweet. Aren’t mothers wonderful. Isn’t motherhood delicious.
Fathers day rolled around. Got to listen to a sermon on……
DEAD BEAT DADS.
Welecome home !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That’s true, I won’t say that mothers are revered because honestly, in today’s society, single women who choose not to procreate are given more respect. But it seems like every opportunity to guilt trip and degrade men is taken…..white men anyway. It shouldn’t be that way, our value system is out of equilibrium. I think that the dead beat dad sermon was probably more geared toward acknowledging that some don’t have fathers or do their job and they deserve kindness. I have a father who worked very hard to carry us all through childhood, I’m very grateful to him. A friend had a father who constantly started families then left them hurt and in need….fathers day is hard on my friend. It’s sad but decency is the exception rather than the rule.
Goalposts: moved.
That’s very amusing, the locksmith analogy. I knew a guy once who picked locks. He described to me the focus and concentration while you’re raking the tumblers, the anticipation of cracking the thing. Then when the cylinder finally turns, he described it as the same feeling like when you first stick your dick into a pussy. He was pretty good at picking locks I might add. This leads me to believe that a very nearby or associated region of the brain also processes and develops pua game.
LMAO. Stop it with the common sense. Didn’t you know that all gender is due to social conditioning and if you are deserted on an island your sex organs will fall off and you will turn into a genderless potato?
“by not being so judgemental of us when we are kind enough to share our bodies with you.”
that would be a reasonable and fair bargain .. if indeed women did share their bodies with most men.. and give them sex. But they don’t. They only spread their legs open for the “bad boys” and “hawt” alphas.. even if the women themselves are average looking and nothing special. They reject most men and slut it up with only the top percentage of men.
I think most men got suckered into the sexual revolution by thinking female liberation would mean more sex for them.. but it has meant more sex for only a very small percentage of highly sought after men (and again, this is because of the female hypergamous nature).. with most men being shut out until it’s too late and when a woman has ridden the cock carousel and looking for some beta schmuck to put a ring around a slut who has multiple dicks inside her, and whose best and sexiest years were given to other men. Thanks but no thanks. This is no fair bargain for men.
Women aren’t looking for a beta to put a ring on us, we date to find what we’re attracted to and marry the best of the lot….personally marriage is not my thing but that is the object of the cock carousel as you put it. And as far as a small percentage of men getting laid. ..women want men to approach sex like they’ll be performing on an arena, bring your game face and leave your inadequacies at home. The percentage of men who xan do that carry themselves differently than the gen pop. They can be fat, skinny, old, young, etc but if they can f*ck, they wear that on their face and that is what gets them laid.
You started with the truth, but forgot to add.. “…. until we hit the wall, our eggs start drying up, our SMV plummets and we look for any poor schmuck who can’t see through us.”
And that is your misconception, as I stated previously, women procreate for roughly twenty percent of their lives, am I to assume that you see no value in our existence outside of those twenty years? Am I to really assume (really man?) That you think women choose betas to carry on our genes? Evolution says differently, artificial selection, the type humans practice, says absolutely differently. If your wife is awful, that sux, but it isn’t all women or bad programming, she just sux. Be the best you that you can be, own yourself and your world, women love that.
You miss the point. Firstly, women used to have value after their looks declined, because the value they provided as mothers was highly regarded. Thanks to feminism, that has almost disappeared entirely, as most women are now only good for sex. Secondly, the modern woman is disgusted at the thought of procreating with a beta when she is still sufficiently young and attractive enough to be pumped and dumped by alphas. However, time is a great equaliser, and the reality is there are tonnes of desperate women in their 30s (“alpha widows”) that do look to a beta to be their saviour. You can’t blame the average man for being disgusted at the thought of committing to a woman who slutted around for years when she was younger and more attractive. This was a time when men like this, who are now being told to “man up” and buy the depreciating asset, were invisible to sluts riding the carousel. Don’t forget, these washed up sluts are by far the most likely to divorce rape these poor betas. You might not like the fact men are waking up to this scam, but the momentum is growing and BBWs like you are powerless to stop it
Why the fuck are you replying to her?
Not sure exactly what a BBW is but if google is right, thank you for calling me beautiful site unseen and the only big part of me is my chest….and that, not inordinately. I’m actually small in a world of much taller, bigger people and I find that annoying…that and high shelves…but I digress. Why the Hell do you want to marry young? Why are you angry at women that you were probably too shy to actually try with? And divorce rape? Divorce court used to be more protective of women because they would marry young and spend twenty years raising a man’s progeny and building his world only to be tossed out with nothing when he got bored while her work had allowed him to build a career, savings, and property. Women needed protection from that behavior, families needed it for stability. Now it’s more about fairness absent a prenup but society goes back and forth on this issue.
Good call dude. I’ll stop!
Maybe because you spend all of your verbiage speaking about us as if we’re aliens and some men want to actually understand rather than generalize. I kindly and thoughtfully responded to a group of people who were pretty offensive in the way they think of women. I’m trying to make the world a better place by communication rather than defensive, ignorant posturing…you could learn from that, if you’re able to learn at all.
In other words he’s (hv I mean) too lame to find a woman.
I was recently looking at international homicide statistics, and I was surprised to learn that more than 90 countries have a higher rate than Obama’s citation that such heinous murders don’t happen elsewhere. Of course, aren’t they all heinous, if not in self defense? The US rate according to the site is 4.90 per 100,000. In some nations, i.e. South Korea, women are responsible for the preponderance of homicides. http://countryeconomy.com/demography/homicides
Leave your car in a dodgy neighbourhood overnight with the keys in it and then complain when it is gone the next morning?
This is the charming woman who makes those “Fuck Tony Abbott” t shirts. Of course, she was a diehard defender of that utter failure and diehard man hater Julia Gillard! Clementine is clearly mentally ill.
Look at it this way. Let’s say I go into a notoriously ghetto area of town late at night dressed in an expensive suit with Rolex watch clearly on display and whip out my wallet and start ruffling through hundred dollar bills for all to see. A gang comes up on me, punches me in the head, and takes all my stuff and runs away. There is no doubt a crime was committed, and the gang was in the wrong, but would any reasonable person disagree that I had foolishly and recklessly put myself in a dangerous situation? Of course not. They would think I was an idiot. Where was my common sense?
So why can’t feminists accept that behaviour that is highly risky for their safety ( whether that is physical or online) is something that should be avoided? Why do they stubbornly refuse to educate and encourage women to avoid placing themselves in situations like that? I am truly baffled. It is also dangerous. There will always be dodgy people in this world, no matter what they ‘feel’ should be the reality. Why on earth shouldn’t you encourage behaviour that greatly reduces the risk of you being taken advantage of by these dodgy people?
Oh there you go using logic again.
I have finally come to the realization that it’s really pointless to use logic. In days long ago before the state supported these douchebag cunts, mother nature would’ve taken care of retards like this by taking them out of the gene pool. They wouldn’t survive on their own and just rot. Now we are on the hook to give these retards life support.
Because they they are willing to potentially throw women under the bus to preserve their narrative and gynocentric privileges. Those women are merely collateral damage for the feminist cause.
feminism is the rationalization of a woman’s most immediately emotions, reasoning is irrelevant
australians should make some “KILL EQUALITY” shirts in response
GASP! If you DARE suggest it’s DUMB to go a ghetto and flash cash and bling, you sir are VICTIM BLAMING and contributing to Patriarchy-Run Theft Culture.
Shame on you. Wow, just wow, kill yourself, etc. etc.
sarcasm /off
>>end of rant
Her smile gave me cancer. Who the hell would want to see this land whale naked?
And no eye bleach warning either…
Fat fugly feminists complaining, what else is new
Every feminist is either a man-hating hag, or a useful idiot. Or in the case of this bitch, both
Useful? Was that a typo? You mean useless idiot?
“Useful idiot” in the marxist sense. They have no idea what they do to undermine their own way of life
You know what is truly scary? 82 000+ people liked her stupid post. That is an awful lot of mentally ill feminists right there…
It’s past 213,000 now. Society is well and truly fucked….
This nasty looking bulldog with an overbte is just pissed of because no man looks at her that way, so shes got to find some way to grab some attention of her own. Nasty bitch.
What a lot of women can’t understand is that you CAN’T have both equality AND special privileges at the same time! It has to be one or the other.
Equality for the goodies, chivalry for the difficult stuff.
Actually a lot of women are proving that they CAN and WILL have both, and that if men don’t stand up against the hate movement known as modern feminism, things will only get worse.
Another self-righteous, self-obsessed whore. Move along, nothing to see here.
She makes a living here in Australia by being a deranged attention seeking nutcase. She writes for a site called Daily Life. http://www.dailylife.com.au/
She was suspended from Facebook for 30 days after she re-posted the abusive posts but Facebook caved in after a Change.org petition.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/lanesainty/a-woman-has-been-banned-from-facebook-after-sharing-the-abus#.to9oN45Q7
Over 10,000 signatures in fifteen hours. When this number of people support a mentally ill attention seeking whore who promotes being a victim then you know we are witnessing the end days of society.
This is gonna sound like some islamic nutcase rant, but I honestly can’t find better words to put this in: your women are out of control because your men are too pussy to do anything about it.
It’s the alpha/beta paradox. 20% of males benefit from the system while 80% are humiliated by the system. The 20% that could initiate change are in positions to stop change and have an investment in maintaining the status quo. About half of that 80% think they can make it to the top 20% therefore having the mentality that tomorrow will bring better pastures. Other than the cultural degeneracy that ones children inherit why would any alpha want to stop women from sending nudes to them?
20%+ (80%/2) = 20%+40% = 60%
It’s the ego of the top 50% of the 80% who are top 20% hopefuls… these men are the problem. These are also likely the same ones who sign up for knight-white hood at Manginaville.
Your math is irrefutable.
This is the problem.
This is why there is no change. Those who want change need to start at the bottom legions of the top 50% of the betas. MGTOW will spread here – the bottom 50% of the betas need no deprogramming.
Male ego (I can be a top 20% and GET THE GIRL bs) is the problem.
‘She was suspended from Facebook for 30 days…’ Allegedly. Although the signatures are real.
TISM were a great band.
I haven’t even listened to an album, but they’re next on the menu.
These lyrics are written by someone with a poetic appreciation for speech, and it’s deceptively deep to boot. That’s what got me interested.
In my opinion, their best album is their hard rock album “Hot Dogma” from 1990, however they did a dance-fusion album called “Machiavelli and the Four Seasons” in 1995.
They changed styles every album:
1988 – Great Truckin’ Songs of the Renaissance – Australian pub rock/pop rock
1990 – Hot Dogma – hard rock
1992 – The Beasts of Suburban – a continuation of Hot Dogma’s style
1995 – Machiavelli and the Four Seasons – dance-punk
1998 – tism.wanker.com – a continuation of Machiavelli’s style
2001 – De Rigueurmortis – still sounding quite dance-punky, with heavier songs
2004 – The White Albun – a sort of return to their pub roots, with a few songs in styles from the other albums (the White Albun is the one where that song you posted came from)
lyrics were* (edit is being weird.)
Real men play Nethack. Come see me on my monk game.
I live in Australia and this is the first I have heard of this garbage, BUT I don’t watch MSM media and this just reinforces my decision.
I notice that the author mentioned ISIS and violence together, you folks may be pleased to know that on Monday Saudi Arabia celebrated it’s 100th prisoner beheading this year.
Not to mention Saudi Arabia is currently recruiting executioners – good pay, housing, health care and a five thousand dollar sword.
For those who don’t live in Australia, you have probably not had the misfortune of hearing the name “Clementine Ford“.
I live in Australia & I never heard anyone mentioning that bimbo !
But I so see lots of this kind of sheila outside night clubs dressed like pros !
Better looking than her !
The incredibly ironic thing about all of this is that after writing a rant about how private messages should be between two people only, she immediately goes and posts heaps of screencaps of messages from other men that retaliated to her, some actually containing nudes. The hypocrisy is real.
Feminism has a totalitarian logic. I think I read somewhere that when sexual libertry increases, political liberty declines.
It seems that each Feminist Twitter warrior is trying to “out crazy” the one that came before her. Almost like an Olympic event.
It’s no coincidence that this particular typist’s last name rhymes with fraud or that she consorts with the likes of Sarkeesian.
All of the women who talk about being comfortable in their own skin, are almost always the ugly ones. Also, If you don’t want people to steal your nude pictures, then DON’T TAKE NUDE PICTURES IDIOT!
How dare you advocate personal responsibility and accountability.
What’s next, telling people they should lock their doors at night to deter robbery? 🙂
Even if the doors are locked its clearly your fault for having things to steal in the first place.
??? No that would be called theft. You taking a nude photo of yourself and sending it through digital communication has a high risk of it going viral. That is all that we are telling women. Why is that sexist? GROW THE FUCK UP SNOWFLAKE!!!!
I’m talking about the stolen ones obtained through hackers. Is that not theft?
No you were talking about locking your door and then being a victim to breaking and entering. In your weak attempt at a metaphor you then claimed that society would still blame you for having material possessions. Hacking and theft is of course a crime. What this feminazi banshee is screeching about is over this cautionary advice, “Don’t take nude photos of your self and disperse them over a digital medium because this is a high risk behavior that will expose yourself.” Now is this caveat sexist to you?
Ever bought anything online?
Ever used a debit card?
I guess it’s your fault for not using cash if your identity is stolen then.
nope. Making a protected transaction over a secure server is actually completely different from you taking a picture of your junk and texting it to that “hawt guy”. No one believes your feminazi bullshit besides other feminazis. Part of being wise is recognizing good advice when you see it.
And part of not being an asshat is not sharing nudes of a girl with the world.
Of course look where I am. Boys claiming to be men without a clue what being a gentleman is.
Let me guess. If your car is stolen then its clearly all your fault for having a car too right?
That’s being far too logical!!!! 😉
Everyone look at me!! No don’t look at me you creep!! Everyone look at me!! What are you doing looking at me!!! RAPE!!!
Bout sums it up
Saying “she” is ugly would be a compliment. I don’t think there exists a word that could describe the utter desolation to humanity such a behemoth is.
BARF
“I long for the day chickens can #crossthestreet without their #motives being #questioned! –Social Justice Chickens.
“I long for the day chickens crossing roads are not the butt of every joke” #chickenlivesmatter
Feminism. Just a way to get society to pay attention to ugly women.
Clementine Ford is a repulsive creature, both physically and mentally. Reading her tortured columns, replete with moronic logical fallacies and victimhood mentality complex, is an insight into the disturbed mind of a mentally ill, narcissistic attention whore. The fact that she has a paid job with a mainstream media company in Australia is an indication of just how morally degenerate and intellectually decrepit that country has become.
I think Australian feminists might be worse than all the rest. There used to be a segment on one of the aussie breakfast news shows called ‘Girls on the Grill’, in which the male news anchor would basically stand against a firing squad of feminazi attacks, try and hold his ground, and eventually agree to disagree. The shoe-resembling women on that panel were deeply aggravating to witness.
It’s the Today show (channel 9) that runs this segment. They renamed it “The Grill” and it’s currently called “The Mixed Grill”.
I remember that garbage segment. So glad I dont watch Aussie TV anymore.
I don’t watch TV either. I just catch glimpses of it in the mornings.
So much madness coming out of Australia these days
But the cops are heroes I thank them for keeping us safe! <- Male(mostly white) suburbanites with this copsucker attitude have done the most to enable her nonsense. Just go to any second amendment forum or any facebook post about police and look at the number of people sucking cop dick. We have the micromanaged society that we deserve.
Notice how feminists complain about women’s bodies being objectified, but always argue for the right to be naked in public and show off sex. Clear indicator of their insanity and low intelligence. I always go back to feminism as being a dating club for lesbians, and homosexuality a mental illness. They keep proving the point.
I can parade naked in public.
You can’t look, or have an opinion.
Feminism in a nutshell.
They are saying it should be the responsibility of the organism to feed itself , but society should be responsible for my nutrition and energy requirements to make my obesity intolerable and unacceptable.
Women are childish and weak. This will not change and I don’t care anyway. I’m offered no safety as a man, things are now equal, why should anything be different for THEM? Oh yeah, they want things MORE equal. Never happen. But, women will be children. They can bleat and fart all they want, safety is a matter of luck. See the movie Irreversible. A man can only be there to protect you from a bad man as often as a man can be there to protect me from a bad man. Shit happens, ladies, get used to it. Meanwhile, stick those selfies somewhere, would ya?
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/subscribe/news/1/index.html?sourceCode=AAWEB_WRE170_a&mode=premium&dest=http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/three-adelaide-high-school-students-suspended-for-online-comments-against-columnist-clementine-ford/story-fnpp66pk-1227412003817&memtype=anonymous
Censorship is alive and well in pro-feminist Australia.. blue pill central!
I just can’t stand someone that hates and wants to subjugate me making me nothing more than a slave to their wants. I’m seriously becoming a hateful person towards many of these feminists. I hate the way it makes me feel but its just a fact.
Understand dude
I read one of Clem’s posts where she admits to having sexual desires for Ryan Gosling. Someone should warn him to stay away from Australia.
Ryan Gosling is a feminism poster child and should have his boy parts removed if they are not already in some woman’s purse.
Solipsism. Entitlement. Narcissism.
When we can cure all three, at once, we can cure what is now called modern feminism.
In the mean time, I plan to give zero f*cks about women who pose naked for any camera that has a flash and then complain about said pictures getting out. The whole erotic appeal of even taking these kinds of pictures is based on the fact they could get out. I am tired of women making bad decisions and then blaming “Patriarchy and bad men” for them.
PS – if there were links to this she-beasts nude photos I would not look at them – not even out of sheer morbid curiosity.
Since nobody wants her, the poor dear has to show it all in hopes somebody, somewhere, might be interested.