You’ve all seen the promotions. Bars and clubs go out of their way to have one or two nights a week geared, at least in appearance, to entice and attract the fairer sex. But how are such nights actually received by the women they are directed towards? From my experience the answer turns on where you are in the world. Let’s take a look at some examples:
United States
In the U.S. there are two separate factors that impact the efficacy and frequency of Ladies’ Nights. First, we are in the era of the feminist voice that claims equal rights and non-preferential treatment, as well as the unnecessarily revered “sex and the city” independent woman. This leads to a falsified belief among most women that “Ladies’ Nights” are not desirable and, accordingly, should be skipped.
A feminist would not acquiesce to receiving preferential treatment and therefore would not attend. Those women modeling themselves over arguably one of the biggest myths of current female rationalization—the allure of the well-educated, overachieving aging woman—would rather get the girls together at the trendy rooftop bar and discuss the latest men in their rotation, glancing at their smartphones every few minutes to make sure they didn’t miss anything on Instagram.
In other words the idea that these American women actually take advantage of Ladies’ Nights, and in turn make it a good option for men to attend for the abundance of women to speak to, does not actually exist. As a Los Angeles resident, Ladies’ Nights are sparse and those that do arise are typically fests of sausage.
The second reason—which may explain the dearth of Ladies’ Nights in the first place in places such as Los Angeles—is that several states have made it illegal to discriminate based on gender. Promotions such as “ladies free” or “2 for 1 drinks for ladies” are prohibited. Legally and socially, it is predicated upon the notion that men and women are equal and thus one class should not be favored over the other in any respect.
Take California for example. By law, a business establishment cannot discriminate based on gender. If one does, they can be subjected to a civil lawsuit and fined a minimum of $4,000 per instance of discrimination. While California tries to mar the fundamental tenets of natural gender interaction via this law, thankfully few places actually abide by it. Have you been in line at a hot club before and seen attractive scantily clad girls walk right in, whereas the men are charged upwards of $50 per head for admission? Of course you have. I would also guess that once you do get inside, there are no complaints voiced for being surrounded by an abundance of thin girls in heels and dresses that were able to easily circumvent such “equal” rights.
If such laws exist, then why do we see examples of its defiance on a consistent basis? Wouldn’t it be better to completely enforce and mandate equality? Force hot girls to wait in line with Steve and John? While this may make for a great time in line, it pushes attractive girls to forums where their value is recognized and rewarded. Fortunately this is only a private right of action, meaning an individual has to sue to enforce this law. This considerably lessens the frequency of enforcement over those mediums regulated by governmental supervision.
Eastern Europe
Now imagine the complete opposite. The women are feminine rather than feminist. In fact, they do not even understand feminist ideology. Next, there is no police state in place imposing laws of equality countering evolutionary psychology. This lovely mix yields a very positive result for men who, upon deciding to frequent a Ladies’ Night in these countries, are treated to something considerably better than what one finds here domestically. Let me relate two stories from my recent trip abroad.
In Poznan, Poland, my friends and I stumbled into a small bar on a Thursday night after noticing several girls inside. Once inside, those “several” morphed into “numerous.” Pretty soon we realized the ratio was about 90/10 girls to guys. The approachability of girls inside was at an astronomical level. What gave rise to this favorable scenario? It was “Ladies’ Night” where girls drank for free. And because the girls here welcomed the promotion, it resulted in an abundance of girls, mostly college-aged (i.e. without money) there to take advantage of the complimentary cocktails. We had a great night, met many endearing girls dancing, talking and flirting the night away without ever running out of girls to talk to.
Now take Poland and put it on steroids, and you have Ukraine where femininity and discrimination hit you like an anvil in the face. In Kiev several places host Ladies’ Nights throughout the week. One particular bar my friend and I went to—which soon became our “spot” for obvious reasons—goes even further with the Ladies’ Night concept. In addition to free drinks, men are forbidden entry until midnight. When the hands coincide at 12, the men walk in and are treated to a display of an entire room full of young, feminine girls dressed to the nines and tipsy off their free booze.
This also acts as a self-filtering process, as the girls that stay after the free booze (which many do), do so to meet men. A large portion of our success within Kiev came from this Ladies’ Night. Coincidence? Possibly. But I am rather confident the existence of this promotion did not hurt.
But as we all know, we are wrong. We are idiots. America is great and how dare we think otherwise. I know that every time I travel, I can’t wait to go back home to the frumpy girl in flats, shoulder pads and hipster pants who snarks at me for interrupting her conversation about the latest Housewives episode.
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Great article. Sadly, many MRAs miss the point and complain about Ladies Night because it is “discrimination against men”. If the feminists and the government were in a castle surrounded by a moat, the MRAs would be the ones trying to fight them on their terms and would be eaten by the alligators in the moat before they even breached the castle walls.
I strongly encourage every one who wants to become a man to build their own castle and stop trying to take over the enemy castle, which is corrupt and rotting from the inside out anyway a la the Soviet Union.
what, the article mentions that legal action succeeded in giving women a taste of equality by making them pay. Sure, there are no bars filled with hot girls, but it’s not like we have hot girls to begin with, and even Roosh would strike out much of the time while the smug bitches are drinking for free and getting banged out by club owner
This is like paying for sex dude!!
Ladies night fails in the US because beta’s are constantly suckered into buying drinks for semi-attractive slightly overweight women on the weekends. Women drink for free regardless of the night because betas are stupid and allow them to. Ladies night gives them free alcohol but the weekend gives them free alcohol and an ego boost.
Are you being facetious? Isn’t preferential treatment the essence of feminism?
Yes.
ughhh, Poland this, Ukraine that.. ya know there are only so many women in Eastern Europe to go around. The place is going to be overrun by loser American men. Then even those women will be ruined. And that would be a tragedy.
The manosphere needs to stop advertising EE so much. Go there, do your thing, fine. But keep it a best kept secret among those in the know or something. Bringing it up in every blog post and as the manosphere goes mainstream, every tom, dick, and harry will be flying there, and every bar there will end up like Ultrabar in D.C. (think sausage fest). The day I go to Poland and find D.C. there will be a sad, sad day.
Sound logic but highly unlikely anytime soon. Unlike the Brits we pay a bundle (which many losers don’t have) to cross the pound. Or most dudes will piss the cash away on a Mc Mansion and a Benz. Then there is the trouble of learning a bit of the language… The herd thins far before the first plane is boarded. Plenty EE love for years to come if the Brits can keep the douchery to a low roar.
Did you have to pay to get into the Ukraine ladies night? Was it expensive by local standards? I am guessing it was.
These girls don’t drink for free. You pay for their drinks when you pay the entrance. Difference is that the girls you are buying drinks for are complete strangers and they lock you outside while the girls drink the drinks that you bought them.
Does not sound a good deal to me. You may as well just pay for sex.
So what? Expensive by local standards keeps the poorer local men out, the women are kind of pre-screened and you have the binge drinking male crowd subsidizing your lay. Sounds like a value-add service to me. It’s poon arbitrage 101.
It was 100 hryvnias, or about US $12.38.
I studied law in Scotland for a year back in the early 2000’s. I am african-american. Imagine my shock when walking home late one night from the library, walking by a night club, a big burly, bouncer approaches me, and ASKED ME IF I WOULD LIKE TO COME IN! Even offering me free passes! I was confused, because there was a long, long line of locals standing behind him, waiting to get in. Then it finally dawned on me. It was HIP HOP NIGHT! And you can’t have Hip Hop Night without at least SOME black people in your club (besides the DJ). (This is the opposite of NYC of course.) The next day, when I told the other international students from Africa and Latin America, they said this happened to them all the time too! Wow! Reason #1,983 to relocate overseas.
It should die noone will crie.
@ energy
Can I bypass the line in Harlem on White Night ?
dont forget ukraine and poland like rest of eastern europe women outnumber men since they either leave the country,commit suicide in high rates or just abusive alchoolics…gotta love the ratio
The horribly ironic thing about this article is that the author believes that women in feminist societies, like the USA, aren’t propped up by the government:
“Next, there is no police state in place imposing laws of equality countering evolutionary psychology.”
You actually believe that the government is enforcing “equality” to the detriment of women when all signs point to the contrary. The US government subsidizes pussy at every turn and this is why the US and the West are the sexual wastelands that they are. Women have so many safety nets in the form of government payouts, affirmative action, and government job placement that would not be possible if it weren’t for the fact that we as men are forced to pay out.
So, really, adjust your world view. For those of you trashing the MRM, realize that they’re trying to change that very reality and that future generations stand to benefit greatly from whatever effort they can push through.
This is a spot-on comment. There are a few gaping flaws in the writer’s analysis of the situation re: government, feminist ideologies, etc. in this article. Feminism is about POWER for women, not equality, and its proponents will take as much as they can get, and all too often, our government has their backs. For example,how much power do men have legally if they want to remain actual fathers, rather than every-other-weekend back-up dads, following a divorce (2/3 of which ar einitiated by women)? Maybe the writer’s only concern in life is getting laid, but there are other issues of concern to men as well.
This is a spot-on comment. There are a few gaping flaws in the writer’s analysis of the situation re: government, feminist ideologies, etc. in this article. Feminism is about POWER for women, not equality, and its proponents will take as much as they can get, and all too often, our government has their backs. For example,how much power do men have legally if they want to remain actual fathers, rather than every-other-weekend back-up dads, following a divorce (2/3 of which ar einitiated by women)? Maybe the writer’s only concern in life is getting laid, but there are other issues of concern to men as well.
This is a spot-on comment. There are a few gaping flaws in the writer’s analysis of the situation re: government, feminist ideologies, etc. in this article. Feminism is about POWER for women, not equality, and its proponents will take as much as they can get, and all too often, our government has their backs. For example,how much power do men have legally if they want to remain actual fathers, rather than every-other-weekend back-up dads, following a divorce (2/3 of which ar einitiated by women)? Maybe the writer’s only concern in life is getting laid, but there are other issues of concern to men as well.
This is a spot-on comment. There are a few gaping flaws in the writer’s analysis of the situation re: government, feminist ideologies, etc. in this article. Feminism is about POWER for women, not equality, and its proponents will take as much as they can get, and all too often, our government has their backs. For example,how much power do men have legally if they want to remain actual fathers, rather than every-other-weekend back-up dads, following a divorce (2/3 of which ar einitiated by women)? Maybe the writer’s only concern in life is getting laid, but there are other issues of concern to men as well.
There’s definitely a nugget of truth in your first reason for the lack of good prospects at ladies nights. However, it has nothing to do with feminism. I think the success of a ladies night falls along demographic and socio-economic lines.
Your main gripe with ladies nights, it seems, is the lack of good talent and the low number of good women at these venues that fall within your expectations. Let me clarify. Since you’re a lawyer (and a partner at that), you probably make enough money to make you the equivalent of an eight or nine female (since your not a celebrity, and you live in celebrity infested LA you probably find it harder to get dime pieces than anywhere else).
Your ideal woman is mid to late twenties 7 and up, who makes 60K and above and drives a Mercedes. You’re not going to find her at a ladies night, but that has nothing to do with feminism and more to do with economics.
Just as much as ladies night suck for you, the same applies to her. Most of the guys have middling salaries and lifestyles, or don’t have good game, or worse, don’t have either. If the ratio skews in her favor, the all the mixed drinks won’t compensate for the time she’s wasting having sift through all the offers (remember, women have to do more detective work than men to find a desirable man). If it skews towards you then she has to compete for a theoretically lesser man, since that’s what she expects to find there.
At the end of the night, ladies nights are promotional a tool used by low-end venues to compete with better places, by getting dumb horny men to spend their money. It’s a meat market, and towards the end of the night it can get scary, and rapey being outnumbered by drunk horny men. In a place that is so high maintenance, like LA, a the typical place that hosts a ladies night looks like a dump to them.
That’s why she goes to the rooftop lounge. She’ll find more women like her (safety in numbers). There are no specials and its expensive, so at the very least she will find a guy that can afford the lifestyle (and partying) she wants. And there is a greater chance she will run into a celebrity. Celebrities, BTW, are the female equivalent of a man’s ability to look at a woman and know she a 5 or a 10. Lounges, celebrities, and income are the filters that women naturally use to get the best man available.
On the flip-side, when average desirable women in a geographic location or population doesn’t have the affluence to afford a nice lounge, she will save her pennies. In Eastern Europe, your average dime isn’t flying high on a Sex and the City lifestyle. She can’t afford both Manolos and a Mercedes, so ladies night will attract quality women. The same is true in the US with minorities like blacks and latinos, where the average woman isn’t doing that much better economically that the men.
P.S. None of this behavior is dictated by feminism. Feminist ideology is there to prop up ugly people (6’s and below, and betas). That’s why hipsters, fuglies and Lena Dunham are stinking up the nicer places. The hypergamy hamster reigns queen over the actions and decisions every woman, especially the hotter ones, makes.
Lena Dunham naked is the most disturbing thing on HBO, and I’ve watched Oz
:potd:
when i lived in spain (i was stationed in Rota), i avoided all the clubs and bars where the american hung out and walked 5 minutes to a hotel that was alwyas bustling with english speaking tourists. they were all pleantly surprise that a “yank” was living in close proximity and i typically became a tour guide for the rest of their time in El Puerto De Santa Maria.
Good article- but in your travels give the UK a miss: The females there are fatter, surlier and more militantly feminist than US girls
Is this possible?!!! What a waste of a sexy accent…
All the Anglophone countries (U.K, Austrailia, New Zealand, United States, etc.) and Northern Europe share much of the same overly- feminist cultures. Good for an easy lay if you can sift through the many snarly, vulgar, egocentric personalities and (not too mention those numerous ones who are fat or overly tattted) but if looking for something long term or for marriage, these countries will generally be a losing deal.
Although its only remotely related to the topic I will still comment here.
I am a ukrainian and I will tell you one thing: its much easier to fuck an american girl than a ukrainian.It will also cost you next to nothing.
The marriage with a ukrainian is the most terrible thing you might do in your life.Unlike in states,pre-nups dont exist.Courts decide always in favour of a woman,children are given to women in 99% cases,a word joint-custody exists only in theory.Men usually don’t see their children after a divorce at all.
Courts also automatically assign half of your properties to a woman.If there are children-also properties bought before the marriage must be split.
Ukrainan culture is a beta male culture .Men provide,men work,men try hard-and usually they end up with nothing.There is a russian expression which is tranlated as a “bitch pit”.These are families where women of 2-3 generation live together without any men around (either divorced or ruined psychologically they run away,become alcoholics etc etc).Every appartment block in Ukraine has several “bitch pits”.
The rate of divorces is staggering,I think its higher than in the States.60 to 70% of children nowadays grow without fathers.
Besides Ukrainian women are not that hot as some advertise here.They are flat,pale,have terrible skin and hair,can not dance,tend to be passionless in bed,age much faster than other women and have terrible character.They have this strong believe than “a man is obliged” and than a list of demands follows.
Stop believing in BS about some magic Dysney place with feminine women who will be with you till death do you apart.
Ay…I suspected as much. 😛 I’ve met OLDER Ukrainian women…they ain’t that hot. 😛 They balloon up like American women! Czech women, on the other hand, they tend to stay hot! 😀
And I’m an American who has been with many fine Ukrainian women.
Much of what you say is true – Ukrainian women are terrible to Ukrainian men. They can be incredibly materialistic. They do believe in the man as a traditional provider. And they certainly do hit the wall suddenly and hard.
But I disagree with you about their lack of attractiveness. I’ve been with Latinas, white American girls, black American girls, Russians, English women, Spanish women, a few Asian girls here and there, Greeks, and some Polish women – none are nearly as attractive to me as a Ukranian girl. Maybe they’re not your particular cup of tea because you get to see the shit side of their personality 24/7, but you can’t seriously argue that Slavic girls in Ukraine aren’t, on average, multiple standard deviations above American quality.
I’ve been with some sweet Ukranian girls, too. Very feminine, very traditional, very family-minded. Just because this may be the exception doesn’t make Ukraine a fantasy. It may not be the Mecca we all hope it is, but, having experienced both, I’d most definitely go with a Ukrainian girl any day of the week over what we’re stuck with here.
My two cents.
I don’t say that americans are hot,I just say that its easier to fuck them.
ps: dont say anything bad about Spanish women-I become unreasonable once I hear this lol.They are my sweet spot.
Alas, if the rebels in Kiev have their way, this tradition in Ukraine won’t last the decade.
Can’t stop the spread.
So basically this garbage article tell us men to be sell off and vagina slave, so i can accept discrimination because more girls inside? Screw that moronic article. Pride is the most important to manhood but how Most american men can understand that? They are totally brainwashed. There has been lawsuits against laundromats that offer discount rates to attract men to wash their clothes but those businesses have been sued so basically the logic means double standards of this article that shows us to bend over to feminism because we can benefit of it but still by paying for it. I am not because I have respect for myself and i will not allow to be discriminated, as for ladies night, it is very miss leading to think that no ladies will come to bar scene just because drinks are expensive because bars are full with girls in any given day especially weekends, even when it is not any Ladies Night, so this is a propaganda defending the discrimination, girls love alcohol even more then guys and they will come in bars no matter what. They Work they have money and they are independent so they as well can pay for drinks and show the independence by taking the responsibilities,