You (“Y”) call your attorney (“A”) to check the status of your case. He answers:
A: Hello, Jim speaking.
Y: Hey Jim, it’s Alex Smith. I wanted to get an update on my case, as we have that big hearing next Friday.
A: Hey Alex. Yeah I was going to call you, I’m going to request a continuance of the hearing. I have undergone some trauma recently and am not in the mental state of mind to handle it right now.
Y: Oh, sorry to hear that. Is everything alright? Are you and your family alright?
A: Yeah I’m fine and the family is fine too.
Y: Something with your friends?
A: No they are fine too.
Y: Hmm ok. If you don’t mind me asking, what is necessitating the continuance of our big hearing?
A: Well I’m guessing you saw the recent Eric Garner controversy on the news. It is beyond upsetting the grand jury didn’t indict the offending officer. I just can’t believe it and am now traumatized by it.
Y: Oh…okay. Did you know him? I thought you said it had nothing to do with your friends or family…
A: I have never met him nor do I have any connection to him personally or professionally. It just offends me as a member of the legal system and as a person overall, to the point it impairs my ability to be a lawyer right now. Sorry.
Y: What the f…
Is this who you would want to represent you in court? To negotiate a deal for you? Of course not. Being an attorney is one of the few fields where the strength of your mind and your ability to handle pressure are considered some of your top assets. As I discussed recently, remaining calm and handling surprises are two key assets every good attorney has.
So where did this above hypothetical conversation come from? From the non-hypothetical recent happenings over at one of America’s pansiest best law schools, Columbia. Stemming from the recent decisions in the Brown and Garner case, Columbia Law is allowing their students to postpone their final exams if they are too upset at this result. Seriously.
The school’s interim dean, Robert E. Scott, announced via email:
The grand juries’ determinations to return nonindictments in the Michael Brown and Eric Garner cases have shaken the faith of some in the integrity of the grand jury system and in the law more generally.
For some law students, particularly, though not only, students of color, this chain of events is all the more profound as it threatens to undermine a sense that the law is a fundamental pillar of society designed to protect fairness, due process and equality.
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In recognition of the traumatic effects these events have had on some of the members of our community, Dean Greenberg-Kobrin and Yadira Ramos-Herbert, Director, Academic Counseling, have arranged to have Dr. Shirley Matthews, a trauma specialist, hold sessions next Monday and Wednesday for anyone interested in participating to discuss the trauma that recent events may have caused.
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The law school has a policy and set of procedures for students who experience trauma during exam period. In accordance with these procedures and policy, students who feel that their performance on examinations will be sufficiently impaired due to the effects of these recent events may petition Dean Alice Rigas to have an examination rescheduled.
It’s hard to know where to even begin with this. We can say this is just another one of many signs of our cultural decline in America, where the individuals that we are to rely on to promote and administer the law of the nation are too hurt to fathom taking a test right now. Or perhaps how politically correct educational institutions have become to the point of absurdity, demonstrated with the situation above or the Yes Means Yes crap from the past few months.
There is a lot of blame to be put on Columbia for sanctioning this type of behavior. Interestingly, Columbia claims this is in accordance with its own procedures regarding rescheduling exams (See last paragraph quoted above, referring to the school’s in place “policy and set of procedures” for rescheduling an exam). But is it really? Let’s take a look at these so called procedures that interim Dean Robert E. Scott refers to (emphasis is my own):
Columbia Law School’s examination policies require all students to take exams at the scheduled times. As stated in the Law School Rules, “All students should be prepared to sit for examinations at any point throughout the examination period.” However, exams can be rescheduled in certain situations as defined below.
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- Two (2) Law School exams scheduled on the same day. One of the exams will be rescheduled to the first exam day on which the student does not have a scheduled exam and that will not create an exam conflict requiring further rescheduling.
- Proctored or fixed-date take-home exams can be rescheduled to allow a 36-hour period between the start of two exams. For example, a student having proctored or fixed-date Law School exams scheduled for both Monday and Tuesday can reschedule the Tuesday exam to Wednesday.
- Illness on the day of the exam: Any excuse granted on grounds of illness or other physical disability is conditioned upon receiving a satisfactory medical note from the attending physician within a reasonable time (one or two days, and by no later than the end of the examination period).
- Birth of a child: An exam will be rescheduled if the student is attending the birth of his/her child.
- Religious Observance: An exam will be rescheduled if it conflicts with a religious observance on the day of the exam.
- Bereavement: An exam will be rescheduled in the event of a death in the student’s family and the student is attending the funeral or grieving.
- In other exceptional and documented circumstances.
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Exams cannot be rescheduled because a student has an early flight home for the winter or summer break, or for other personal reasons not outlined above.
So the rule, as stated by Columbia itself, is that all students must take their exams as scheduled, unless one of the seven reasons specifically delineated above applies. Numbers 1, 2, 4, 5 and 6 clearly do not apply. So that leaves us with 3 or 7.
Number 3, even if we assume somehow that this “trauma” is considered an illness, only applies on the “day of the exam.” So this can be eliminated as well, as the rescheduling offered by Columbia for being a pussy was offered in advance of the exams. Nonetheless a medical note is required, another reason this is not the applicable provision.
That leaves us with number 7. But again this does not apply, at least how I and most competent people would read it. Presuming that the “trauma” referred to by the interim dean qualifies as “exceptional,” that still leaves the necessary component of the documentation (as “and” was used, and not “or”). You would think, naturally, this would require documentation of the actual circumstance that was exceptional. Of course, no such thing can exist because how do you document someone’s hurt feelings stemming from an unrelated court proceeding?
So what Columbia has done, I believe, is extend the “documentation” requirement to just documenting the traumatized student’s request.
We are writing with information about how to go about postponing your exams, in the event that you choose to do so, due to trauma in the wake of recent national events. Exam postponement will be granted on an individual, “opt-out” basis. In order to postpone your exam(s), please email Dean Alice Rigas ([email protected]) in the Registrar’s Office. The email need not be extensive and each person’s language may be the same. We are providing sample language for your email request below.
Subject: Emergency Action: Request for Exam Extension
Dear Dean Rigas,In light of recent traumatic events, I would like to request a(n) exam extension for the following exam(s).
A decision will be made on an “individual” basis, yet Columbia states all requests can use the exact same language. Rather mind-boggling coming from one of America’s purported top law schools. Essentially, Columbia has done nothing more than just establish a procedure on a whim and in direct conflict with its stated reasons above. They are expressly allowing students to reschedule exams for “personal reasons not stated above.”
As a member of the legal community I am embarrassed. I am embarrassed that these individuals will one day be representing any client in any capacity whatsoever. I am embarrassed that a top law school would allow, much less facilitate, such a pussified way of existence by finding a court proceeding that has nothing to do with someone can cause “trauma” to the point of impairing their ability to take an exam.
It is already bad enough that we have a bunch of incompetent attorneys running around attempting to practice law and failing. But at least some of these dim-witted attorneys carry a mental toughness that serves to advocate their clients’ positions if nothing else. Being a lawyer is hard and requires a very tough mind. You will get thrown off many times throughout your career, and often times have only seconds to respond.
It will be a sad day in court when an attorney comes in to request a continuance on the basis of “hurt feelings.” Hopefully I will not be there to see it.
Read Next: 5 Reasons Being A Lawyer Sucks
http://herculesandtheumpire.com/2014/12/12/a-gentle-rebuke-to-some-columbia-law-students/
From a federal trial judge on the same issue. Being a real lawyer is hard.
If you postponed your exams because the Garner and Brown cases “traumatized” your psyche, there is a distinct possibility that you are unfit to practice law.
Nice. Good article.
How could anyone hope to be successful in any industry, much less as an attorney, if they have such a lack of resolve?
Hey it “worked” for Frito Pendejo… but for Not Sure… not so much 😀
Millennials on display again.
When I was in college I didn’t even get a break for a death of mom or dad.
Was your mom or dad murdered by state paid gang of thugs immune from prosecution?
I lost a parent during my time in college.
I did not get any breaks from exams, homework or any other kind of academic-related affairs.
Was your mom or dad murdered by state paid gang of thugs immune from prosecution?
I didn’t realize the police murdered the relations of these wimps at Columbia.
Good for you.
Did you take the day off of work too?
Are you so incredibly ignorant to think the police are a ‘state paid gang of thugs immune from prosecution’? Oh eait, don’t answer that.
This michael brown shit is no more than liberal media whipping gullible idiots into a race frenzy to further distract the public from the government’s disempowering machinations. You have taken the bait; good for you. Shooting a criminal in self defense is not a crime, and does not make you a state paid thug immune to prosecution. The officer in question should have just allowed himself to be injured, right? Because equality. Tell his family that
The police in the case of Eric Garner were a gang of thugs immune from prosecution.
The race frenzy was created by darren wilson’s racism, the DA racism, and the jury white power behaviour.
Shooting a criminal robbing not a crime. Chasing someone and shooting them with their hands up in the street is a crime. Crushing someone in the street is a crime. Had you reverse the roles, it wouldn’t even be a debate. If Eric Garner was crushing Pantaleo in the streets, while Pantaleo yelling I can’t breathe and then he died, would we be debating this? If Michael Brown shot darren wilson begging for his life with his hands up, would we debating this? Nope, it would be indictment, trial life in prison.
The officer in question, shouldn’t have been murdering kids.
Chasing someone and shooting them with their hands up is indeed a crime. Unfortunately, ASSHOLE, that’s now what happened in the Michael Brown case as mountains of evidence proved. You and every other protesting shithead fucked up and backed the wrong pony. Get over it.
fucckkk you
No. And they “weren’t”, either.
Thank you for writing this article. As a lawyer practicing for more than 18 years I am rarely speechless, but this situation has made me so. Although I went to a lower ranked law school, through hard work, many sleepless nights and, yes, working during periods of personal difficulty and trauma (which is called being a “professional”), today I am quite successful, with a legal/executive position at a major financial institution. And although I share your “embarrassment” as “a member of the legal community,” these spoiled law students are most certainly NOT “members” of the legal community, at least not yet, and hopefully never. There are enough lawyers already. The legal community would not miss a beat if these students never joined it. But there are more and more coffee bars opening every day, and somebody’s got to make my triple espresso so I can wake up for WORK every morning. And I’m sure that Starbucks, run by caring liberal progressives, would give these overgrown children time off to protest.
I’ve heard that a newly minted JD, right after passing the Bar Exam, has to basically work 50 hours a day in the back office of a given law firm for shit pay for many years before he gets a shot at the big time.
It sounds like many of these pussies aren’t going to be willing to do that if they actually do make it to graduation. I wonder how many got “lured” into this profession by the “prospect” of “easy money?
I don’t know about you, but I look forward to having my fries served to me by a Latin spouting JD. heh
Lawyer’s don’t learn Latin anymore; that would be white and male and Euro-centric.
Jokes aside, Latin’s not useful in the practice of modern law. Only a handful of Latin phrases survive and are used in normal law arguments today; I think at most there a 100. Basically, you need a vocab sheet that would take you a few weeks to memorize.
The fact that Latin is not taught, however, shows just how divorced law schools are from not only teaching practical skills, but teaching students the history and wonders of European/Western law. Much of the history of Western law was in Latin, or was derived from Latin concepts.No law student these days is taught anything about the historical development of the law and legal concepts since Roman Empire to English middle ages to American times. It’s an SJW design to separate a people from their history.
Yes, I quite agree with your observations. It’s not just Latin and law school, we’re basically in the process of erasing our entire historical legacy and culture. Kids are not even taught cursive any longer. That seems trivial, until you realize that the vast majority of historical writings were in script and that by allowing only a small minority of “elite” to interpret these writings for us in the future, we’re dooming ourselves to being led by the ideological nose.
Ask a newly minted high school graduate who Ovid was. Hell, ask him who Calvin Coolidge was. As him questions about the bill of rights outside the sphere of the First Amendment (which he has been well schooled in, since it benefits socialists to use it against us).
All of it, being erased.
Come on, they couldn’t learn Latin, that would be traumatizing for any Christians and Jews, and every other descendant of any country ever touched by the Roman empire!!!
That a school would insist that someone learn the language of their historic oppressor!! Sir, you go too far I say!!
Calvin Coolidge was the husband of 70s singer Rita Coolidge.
Ovid is a rapper from ATL
Dang skippy, you be doin’ the history thing all right and shit!
“Come on, they couldn’t learn Latin, that would be traumatizing for any
Christians and Jews, and every other descendant of any country ever
touched by the Roman empire!!!
That a school would insist that someone learn the language of their historic oppressor!! Sir, you go too far I say!!”
Yeah, right, it was in the mid-20th century that the Roman Catholic Church stopped using Latin. The idea that Latin is traumatizing for Christians is laughable, since we took over the Roman empire, and assimilated and passed on the best of it. Learning Latin is even less threatening to Christians as naming sports teams after Indian tribes is to whites in America. (Notice the feminists and other fellow travelers want to change those names, in order to abolish the memory of the natives as fierce warriors, rather than as eco-feminist-Communists.)
Time – Phrase
00:42:26 You seem quite happy with that result.
00:42:29 It’s a fucking result.
00:42:31 Yeah, but cui bono? Who benefits?
00:42:35 Cui gives a shit? It’s got a frigging bow on it.
00:42:40 I think you are a cop, my son.
If that job is available.
Only 50% of people who go to law school in america actually end up practicing law. The other 50% can’t find work in the legal profession and have to find other work. The last option before giving up the legal career dream, is to become a social justice worker and take on clients who claim their civil rights were violated because they were ejected from town hall meetings for showing up naked.
Sounds like a job that requires “Reverend” before the name.
Al didnt even go to seminary school, so who deigned him “reverend”?
I think he did get his rev degree from univ of Phoenix.
That’s actually not the best option for lawyers, believe it or not. The lawyers who report the highest levels of career and personal happiness are those who “hang a shingle” and go into business for themselves. They make considerably less than the big-law and corporate lawyers but for most it’s still enough to afford a comfortable lifestyle.
I laughed out loud at this. It’s funny because it’s true.
-Attorney
Basically yes, although I wouldn’t call it “shit pay”. The pay is pretty decent. Bankers are also expected to do the same although for them the need to do is somewhat alleviated if they come in with previous experience or an advanced degree that allows them to enter at the associate level rather than the entry level analyst positions.
“working during periods of personal difficulty and trauma (which is called being a “professional”), ”
Fucking right.
Just another case of Social Justice™ vs. the real facts. If one is to look closely at the evidence surrounding this case, they will find that the real shock is the court system even recognized this case as legitimate.
How the are we going to rid of all of these beta social justice warrior chumps from the gene pool? They are growing as a threat to both themselves and the red-pill-type, the type that innovates, that formed the colonies and government that the US began with. Now we have 50% of our national federal budget going out to welfare programs, and that percentage continues to grow.
The shitty thing is that its not just the US government participating in the bullshit shenanigans, but almost every government around the globe. They are all printing money, doling out benefits to the lazy, sucking blood out of the productive innovators…
It is clear that at some point the productive will no longer be able to, or will choose not to, support the lazy/fat/batshit insane/weak-minded people that keep the current set of assholes in government in power. The question is how much longer must we suffer through their bullshit? When or will we ever recognize this bullshit as a majority and make amends to the system? Will it take a massive government failure, shutdown, or civil war? Will it take hyperinflation? A collapse of the economy?
Yes, it probably will take something catastrophic because most Americans want the status quo. And that most especially includes those at the top of the social pyramid as well. So until enough on the bottom will act independently of what they are told to (don’t plan on it), those with power won’t change a thing.
Who is John Galt!
When the time comes, you will need to support the decisions of strong and dedicated group of men who will attempt to align civil society with the demands of nature. To the masses they will appear to be monsters. But you will understand them. Keep your eyes open.
You ever asked yourself the question, ‘if those SJW types are so weak and beta as to need to be weeded out by natural selection, then how in the hell did they ever dominate and whip the ass of the so-called alphas who are red pill to be in the obvious power that they are in now? Because they truly are winning right now, no doubt about that. Something isn’t right with this view. In other words, it’s not a simple as you are stating it. It’s more complex than that.
Did you read my comment?
Try to read this one the whole way through, and you might gain a more accurate insight as to what I am truly claiming.
“They have successfully infected our most powerful institution, the law. They are growing as a threat to both themselves and the red-pill-type, those that innovate, those that formed the colonies and government that recognized individual rights. Now we have 50% of our national federal budget going out to welfare programs, and that percentage continues to grow.”
Yes, clearly this is an issue implicating the behavior of staggering numbers of humans and major institutions of power, and is therefore an extremely complex problem. You are right about that.
I am making the proposition that population of “dependents” vs “independent” types of individuals (this is not a static statistic, as human behavior can be shaped by the will of the individual, but I am referring to the overall primary types of behavior I have witnessed with my own eyes) is only growing so rapidly now because they have infiltrated the law and have access to resources they did not produce. In nature, if an individual animal decides not to hunt because it is too lazy, it will perish through the means of starvation. In the US, if an individual decides to refrain from work, and maybe have 6 kids they can’t pay for, guess who ends up paying to feed that mother and her 6 kids?
This isn’t about betas or alphas “winning” or “losing” but the overall incentives that our society is providing for working hard (which generally creates capital or services for society, and it a good thing). Yes, most of the politicians might have “alpha” qualities but these are not the alphas-types I am referring to. The politicians in power are a tiny minority of the population. They are stealing the wealth of those who work (I am referring to the primary capital generating individuals, top 10% of income earners, honest innovators, and yes there exists trust-fund babies, who are a tiny minority and who I am not referring to), and doling it out to those who don’t work (who I am referring to as “betas”, simply because it makes modeling and discussing the issue simpler), in exchange for votes and more power.
Mother nature used to make it clear that an individual who doesn’t carry their own weight will die of starvation. Now because of the pandering done by politicians, individuals who are a major drain on society (don’t work, yet have large families) are able to drain large amounts of resources from society without providing anything in return. And the behavior of the politicians is not getting better. It is getting worse. Our national debt is sky-high, and it continues to grow at a rapid pace.
So a direct answer to your question: “if those SJW types are so weak and beta as to need to be weeded out by natural selection, then how in the hell did they ever dominate and whip the ass of the so-called alphas who are red pill to be in the obvious power that they are in now?”
I’m not really sure what you mean “how in the hell did they ever dominate and whip the ass of the so-called alphas who are red pill to be in the obvious power that they are in now”. But I do know that a minority of the “alphas” (politicians) are exploiting their power to provide for the lazy, if this is the type of behavior you are referring to.
Maybe I didn’t make my original answer to your comment clear. Anyway, if your proposition is that those who drain upon society by failing to provide any value to greater society should be culled from said society by natural selection then my answer to that would be that I concur 100%. My question really was aimed at the notion that I see, a sentiment that I often hear people here voicing. It’s one that says, in so many words, ‘things are all fucked up and it’s this group or that group that is miseducating people and bringing about feminism and an attack on men and many other maladies (of which I agree with that sentiment BTW). The question becomes, ‘if we are so alpha (i mean true alphas and red pill) how in the hell did we allow ourselves to be governed by those who brought us feminism and a system which allows for us to have to pay for others bad choices? Whatever answer you have for that I do wanna hear really just to see what you come up with. Whatever anyone’s reply, it’s clear that the “other side” kicked our asses and we need to step up our game. That was my point.
This sounds like it should be some crappy comedy starring Jim Carey and Adam Sandler as two goofball college students.
The thing you to realise with the black population is that you can never win. The more you try and help them or pander to their demands or sense of being dealt a bad hand the more they complain. The more you allocate quotas and implement affirmative action you create more problems down the line with blacks who then struggle to do the job and a claim for discrimination when theyre fired. Pander to their sense of victimhood and their claims of victimhood increase.
The key thing is that their is a failure to recognise blacks are fundamentally different to everyone else whether white, jewish, asian or native american. Tests on intelligence, anger levels, ego levels, propensity to violence, crime and general laziness bear this out. We all wish blacks were just the same as everyone else, but just wishing it is reality is not the same as it being reality.
So meanwhile students of colour are pandered to at Columbia. Don’t expect this to do anything except an increase in expectation from people of color to be pandered to more in the future.
The people of color and their white knight pc friends are now even attacking the idea of using juries in court cases because they deliver the ‘wrong’ verdict. This is dangerous.
Abolish all forms of affirmative action and let the chips fall where they may. The blacks who work hard to be successful will still be successful, and they will be properly recognized for having achieved said success as a result of their own hard work.
I agree. Allowing the successful to thrive and the weak to fall, will benefit everyone.
Indeed, it’s the only thing that has ever benefited mankind in the long run. Coddling weakness to the point of giving it preference over strength is always the path to ruin.
i wonder if it is perhaps even simpler than that? a thing traded for free has whatever prior value it possessed voided; value cannot be given for free, no matter what the intention.
in coddling weakness, welfare, affirmative action, etc: a thing of value is separated from its production-system, given away for free, and the value is thus irrevocably lost. the harsh reality is that neither kindness nor cruelty seems to change this. all attempts at equalist-driven redistribution are attempts at giving value away for free, which, at it’s core concept, is impossible. it is merely real destruction wrapped in fancy phonetic echolalia.
They’re the biggest losers of all. The music industry(which is not owned by black people) brainwashes as many of them into worshipping a thug lifestyle as they can get to, and for the ones they can’t get to the nanny state works to ensure that they have no upward mobility.
Our culture pedestalizes weakness. It is quite sad really.
Indeed. Welfare promotes lazyness by removing the value of the money and reducing the incentive to work. Lazyness promotes weakness, and our culture romanticizes and pedestalizes weakness. As many others have said, it is a race to the bottom.
Feminism destroyed the black family, which allowed the thug-worshiping, degenerate culture to sprout. Growing up without a father, the young black male looks for a “masculine” role model. Unfortunately the closest thing that most of them find is low life thugs.
My community uses Welfare at less than half the rate (in PERCENTAGE) than Whites do…raw numbers Whites use Welfare the most.
Again I have no problem with Welfare no matter who uses it if they truly need it and temporarily…and I don’t like people who abuse the system no matter the race.
Affirmative Action no longer exists–it’s all about “DIVERSITY” now. The main beneficiaries are white “hispanics” and women. Some of the commenters should get out more.
Actually sometimes I have more differences in opinion with “White Hispanics” then I do with actual White (W.A.S.P.s) People.
for the purposes of the-way-out-of-this-shit, race is irrelevant. don’t bring it up again.
dry academics and selective statistical pedantry must yield to utility. and i see very little in focusing on race, a physical trait, alone – especially when behavior is what matters most. the only exception is the proxy identifier case: how to capture subsets of characteristic tightly-coupled behaviors shared across specific repeating supersets of people. for referring to such a subset, some truth-by-consensus-fuzzy-identifier element of that set often stands out as repeating, testable, and verifiable to enough people, becoming the behavior-subset identifier: a label. this identifying label is often a -physical- attribute, in stark contrast to the -behavior- elements that the set often legitimately classifies. as such, when -physical- attributes are selected to describe groups of coupled -behaviorals-, they are often intrinsically imprecise, inaccurate, and irrelevant. far too easy to take out of context. laxity and laziness. which is where complaints start to roll in, and exactly where discussions on race keep fucking taking us. so don’t do it. let it go forever. fuck your dick, i don’t care!
that said, i know some do care, do make this all about physical attributes, do actively blur the lines to profit insidiously. to them, let them revel in failure. revel, without my pay, without my industry, and without the faith reserved for my sons. as if i have a choice, or ever did! what equalists want taken can be, but it cannot be given. likewise, you can redirect a conversation on mechanics to yours of race, but you cannot give fucking mah dick any importance at all. race is irrelevant.
I am against those who abuse the system no matter the background because it is unfair to those that actually work everyday. Those who need the safety net let them use it to get back on their feet simple enough. But I agree settling for handouts separates you from your potential and hard work to realize that potential.
I agree, lets start by taking back all the affirmative action acquired property from the white hillbillies of appalachia and the west and south and south west who got their land in the homestead act. Lets take away all the white affirmative action for the gi bill, corporate bailouts, the new deal and so on. Lets rescind all the degrees of underqualified white candidates like george bush and jfk who despite C and D grades and 1 line applications got into harvard. Take away affirmative action, and the whites don’t have a snowballs chance in hell to compete.
Would you be willing to give your land back to the Indians too? Or perhaps maybe the Australian Aborigines from whom the Indians stole this land?
A, typical hypocrit. Affirmative Action for me but not for anyone else. I agree that whites aren’t going to give back everything, we both know it won’t happen. Which is why affirmative action is much preferable than to give up everything we already have.
So you’re going to keep your ill-gotten gains then? Typical.
Yes. The difference is, I don’t go around pretending that I didn’t get affirmative action for being white unlike you. We all got free shit and special treatment for being white. Its foolish that as receipeints of 600 years of white affirmative action policy you whine that hispanics, blacks, indians asians and so on are getting their fair share.
Oh geez you’re one of them.
I’d like to know what free shit and special treatment I got. I never got anything for free and everything I own I worked for.
Funny thing how you talk about “white affirmative action” for the last 600 years.
I wonder if any of the Irish who were sold as slaves to British colonists would agree with you.
You are overlooking the fact that blacks also helped clear the west of Indians, they also received homesteads, at one point blacks represented 1/3 of the population of California. Mexican’s fought on the side of Texans at the Alamo you can see their names enshrined there if you don’t believe me. Mexicans also held onto their land when Texas became independent, and eventually a state. 100,000 blacks fought for the Confederacy during the Civil War they weren’t fighting for slavery they were fighting for their country. Too many people believe that they are owed something because they read in a history book that their ethnic group was mistreated. Everybody has got blood on their hands the past can be ugly if you dwell on it. You can honor your ancestors by making something of yourself without asking for a handout.
Look at my name, they would indeed. While Irish were enslaved before slavery in America was fully racialized, once it was racialized Irish enjoyed the full benefits of white affirimative action, the kennedy’s are a great example of white affirmative action low grade people getting into the top schools just for being white.
Irish were not enslaved when the homestead act, the gi bill, the new deal, min wage and white welfare were being handed out to whites. Now if the signs and counters in the 1960s said white only on one side and colored and irish on the other, I would be inclined to agree with you.
No one disputes white people who have jobs work. That of course is a given. No one disputes that in many cases white people worked hard. The issue is clear, if you were asian or black, or hispanic, or native american you probably wouldn’t even get the job in the first place.
The fact that you could get jobs in this economy shows you received special treatment. And the odds are quiet high that you worked for an employer who received white welfare benefits from the state called corporate welfare. So even if you never got the welfare cheque yourself, there is a very high chance that you got a welfare cheque and didn’t even know it.
Which is why you bragging about everything you have you worked for shows a gross form of privileged ignorance. Kind of like the woman who marries a rotten rich dude and feels entitled to billions because she took care of a kid that fell out of her vagina for a few years. It was your body, your vagina, you were suppose to raise your kid bitch. Now you want $9 billion, ho please.
Blacks did not clear the West of Indians, in many cases blacks were the native indians and were relocated west by the whites. This is particularly true of black natives from sc and florida who were pushed west by the white man.
Blacks did not receive homesteads for the most part, it is why the west is mostly whites outside the major cities. Blacks represented California population in large because they were fleeing white violence, tyranny and oppression many of the black indian tribes still exist today.
By the time of the alamo, white settlers outnumbered non-white free settlers 10-1 in Texas. While I suppose some did fight with them, they probably had not much choice. If all 9 of your neighbours are going to go shoot you might as well go to because they’ll either kill you, or the other side will.
100,000 blacks didn’t have much of a choice in the civil war.
You cannot keep bragging aout how great your ancestors are and expect everyone else who your ancestors murdered, pillaged, maimed, raped, and savaged to be silent. It would be like a pedophiles son saying how great his dad was and then him getting mad when one of the victims child say wait a minute, your dad raped my dad in the butt when he was a boy. Your argument is tantamont to saying well everyone use to rape in the butt so get over it. Ok, if you are going to use that argument, at least stop bringing up the past.
“People who don’t accomplish anything in life are the ones most prone to invoke the word ‘privilege’!” — Seen right here on RoK not that long ago.
And it describes you to a T. If you’re so brilliant and clairvoyant, then why are you complaining about the successes of other people? Shouldn’t you be president or at least a hotshot CEO or someone important?
The rest of the world that got off its ass and worked its way to the top doesn’t owe someone who chooses to whine about the outcomes of the choices he made in life a single rotten thing.
Black indians, your out of your mind. The cal population around the time was mostly white and chinese/japenese
Privilege is here, and with privilege goes responsibility.”
―John F. Kennedy
You want privilege and not responsibility that goes with it. I guess JFK accomplished nothing.
What success exactly is it you have? Judging by your statements you don’t seem to be a multi millionaire yet.
I agree, the problem is white Americans didn’t get what we have through working for it, we got it by stealing it. Stole land from indians, hispanics, stole oil from arabs, kidnapped blacks in africa and stole their gold and made them build our nation. The only reason why Northern whites opposed slavery was because all the poor white new 1800s immigrants who were unskilled couldn’t get a job because the other whites were using slaves to do all the work.
You must be horribly depressed living with all that guilt over things you never did. Try not to shoot yourself.
Buffalo Soldiers killed Indians and they were scattered all over the west. Blacks fought honorably in the Civil War for the south there are memorials in the South honoring their sacrifices. I don’t know why you refuse to accept that American is more complicated than your college professor says it is. Hispanics have been fighting alongside whites in this country for a long time. Not all blacks were slaves in the south many were free and some owned slaves as well. Most whites in the south were poor and did not own slaves. Life in the south could be best described as a feudal system with a handful of rich landowners. These rich landowners had the same mentality of rich businessmen today who say open up the borders because we need more people to do the jobs Americans won’t do for the pennies we are willing to pay.
I imagine you to be some embittered 20 something who blames his failures on racism rather than reexamining how to improve himself. You want us all to feel guilty because 100 years ago America was racist. You want me to give you my stuff that I worked hard for, because you can’t find a decent job. Most of the jobs I have had were easy to get for anyone. I’ve never had a high value job that requires connections. I’ve never had a high paying job, I just save and invest. I live modestly and accumulate. It’s not like white employers sit around in a room and say
“well we have another white applicant, he graduated from a fancy college lets start him out at $100 k per year and see if he works out.”
Hardly a “fair share,” really, but good points.
TRUTH is not the same as the expression “White Guilt” which is used to deviate from the issue. Nobody is actually asking you to feel “guilty” its acknowledging FACT. Also benefits arriving from historical Fact are also benefits arriving CURRENTLY in the present…read current events….but not Fox News their audience are notoriously ignorant. And Fox is the most biased distorter of information.
Ok let’s acknowledge some historical facts.
1. Slavery in what would become the USA was first given legal standing by the actions of a black landowner in Virginia in 1655.
2. It was other blacks in Africa who sold their black brothers and sisters into slavery.
3. More blacks are killed every 6 months in the USA by other blacks than were killed by the KKK in 100 years.
4. Indian tribes were warring amongst each other for as long as they had lived in the Americas.
So yes, let’s not dispute history. And in light of history, if whites today are somehow responsible for all the terrible things that happened in the past to blacks and Indians, then blacks and Indians today should be held similarly accountable, because they are just as “responsible.”
1. We can discuss legality but there were already White Slaveholders prior. Also even in Jamestown even poor whites indentures were given better treatment than their Black Indenture counterparts.
2. Yes some Blacks sold other Blacks into slavery to the Europeans who facilitated this exchange also the Slavery that would be practiced here is different.
3.Apples and Oranges again..focus…KKK was at times supported by the American System including State police and even sitting United State Presidents who had extreme racial views. Also its about the unequal implementation of Justice.
4. Native Tribes some of them warred against each other many had “constitutions” and sets of laws that allowed them to live with mutual respect and peace….even in times of war there were certain codes put in place. Europe had tribal warfare for thousands of years.
Again I repeat I’m not looking for your “guilt” and I do not make sweeping statements about race like some other commentators here which you do not “correct” lol…also their are many factors that are still at play CURRENTLY and not just Historically.
So in other words, kill whitey.
no lol not kill whitey.
Irish even when treated badly still found the time to hate on black people and kill them…and instead of uniting with blacks many of them wanted them to remain under slavery..shameful especially since black slaves with the little they had sent materials to the Irish when they were starving to death during the Potato Famine. Some Irish also tend to be very racist towards blacks and Latinos although they have a long history of subjugation…and sometimes I believe that makes some of them participate in racism to a more extreme level that White Anglo Saxon Protestants…don’t give me the Irish bullcrap.
Also, some people were mean to some other people. Let’s all spend the next century reflecting on that, and pretending it affects us in real life.
Idiot
Irish enjoyed full benefits of affirmative action after slavery was racialized? You’re an idiot. The Irish were second class citizens in this country for much of its history. Get off your fucking pedestal.
“I’m so marginalized that I can sit on the internet all day and whine about being marginalized.”
No, no, you’ve got it all wrong; white men are always evil, and every white man ever had privilege. That’s a fact. So now the white man must hand over his privilege to those whose ancestors had no privilege. It only makes sense…if you’re an idiot.
Funny that those who created this safe, productive, and open civilization now must suffer for it. Humans have marginalized other humans since the beginning of time, but now the northern eurpeon must bow down before everyone else and submit his society to their whims because…equality.
Funny, equality is making me a racist
Irish and Italians were marginalized yes but not compared to Blacks Latinos and Asians in this country…and many Irish also participated in the putting down of the aforementioned groups as well even while they were marginalized themselves. Many Irish I know have told me personally they have gotten away with crimes cause they had an uncle in the police department or a relative who knew the Judge up in Massachusetts.
Your arguments are ridiculous. How is it that SJW’s and their ilk can live in the past when it suits them, yet be so ignorant of history. Yes, life was unfair. No one ever said it had to be. Just because some of your ancestors were historically oppressed doesn’t entitle YOU to goodies today. We live in a culture that is overwhelmingly sympathetic to ‘people of color’, yet those people of color continue to complain that its not fair. Exactly when will it be fair? When whites hand over everything to blacks and hispanics and say “Here you go…your turn?” As if thos blacks hispanics and women won’t turn around and use that power to oppress white men; they are already doing it, yet you expect us to just lie down and take it because equality.
Grow the fuck up. If the nation that white men created is so oppressive to you, perhaps you and all the other SJW’s should create your own damn nation instead of bitching and complaining that this one should play by your rules.
That would be too much work for people with this mindset. After a few years in college (often paid for by taxes extracted from those oppressive white men), people inclined towards this type of bullshit thinking believe they deserve the world simply for existing.
I’ve never given a fuck about race, but the last decade has seen so many idiotic demands from supposedly oppressed groups that I am becoming more and more isolationist
So because whites created a society that was, for the most part, open to everyone, we are expected to give ‘people of color’ whatever they say they deserve? Why haven’t those people of color created their own open and fair societies? If I went to Mexico, or Nigeria, or SHanghai, would I be considered for a job with the same fairness showed to that nation’s native citizens? of course not. But for some reason, it’s only considered ‘racism’ in America…perhaps because America is the only nation to even try to integrate other cultures? Well, lesson learned. We should just give up and go back to white rule, apparently, because having a black president isn’t enough to prove that we don’t judge based on skin color.
uH HUH….so only white americans ever stole from others? You’re saying no tribes in africa or mesoamerica ever stole from a neighboring tribe? People have been stealing from other people since the beginning of time, so we all owe each other our success, I guess.
All I know is I never stole from anyone, yet I’m supposed to have my success curtailed and handed over to people of color. Yeah, makes alotta sense
Its understanding facts and yes I have responded to numnuts in my day to day life. So yeah it does affect me in real life.
Irish formed the unions to block black labor from replacing them.
Buffalo soldiers were used as shock troops by the white man. They were poor blacks who signed up to escape slavery from white man and the only reason why they saw so many battles was because the white man was sending them into wars against indians that the white man expected to take heavy losses.
Why can’t you accept the few incidences of blacks fight under white commandeers often had no choice and it is the whites who are responsible for the native genocide.
Most whites were slave owners. You are forced to talk about the exceptions, rather than the norms, because the norms show a sad picture of whites as genocidal slaving, raping maniacs. Confront the truth, whites ancestors are an embarassment to ourselves.
I am white, how can I blame my failure on racism?
The irony is, it is the white man who refuses to give back what he has stolen from the red man. Thee white man stole and pilalged the land, but where is the justice for the indian?
No, white employers discrimination is mostly subtle.
Just because some of your ancestors were historical oppressors doesn’t entitle YOU to goodies today!
Think of that, your ancestors raped and murdered and stole land from Indians and you want to argue you are entitled to it. Ridiculous.
Yeah our culture is overly sympathetic to people of color, yet we are arguing on why whites should keep stolen land.
Actually it is the situation of unfairness that whites like you continue to uphold which will IMO, likely lead to the reverse. The motion is in action. At this point, me being white trying to stop other whites from being racist isn’t some acct of kindness but of necessity. When the 2050 roles around, hispanics asians and blacks wwill use your racist argument against you to justify new racism on whites.
White never created this naton. America was founded by indians, whites came and stole the land, hispanics built the western half and blacks the other half and whites stole it away. The white man’s only good quality is he can steal anything and get away.
You must be horribly anxious knowing your privilege is coming to an end.
When has american been open to everyone? most whites voted against obama
White americans are the biggest thieves in world history.
Nah. I work, so I am not worried.
There is a big difference between affirmative action (being handed something you didn’t earn) and whatever whites did in the past (taking shit by force). You might do well to learn not to talk out of your ass.
Everybody EVERYBODY fucked someone else over if you dig deeply enough into history. Crybaby.
Whites didn’t create this nation? Seriously? If you’re curious as to who’s running shit all you have to do is look at the picture on the bills the next time someone’s ordering from your register.
That’s stupid. The current media spin is to make white people feel guilty for some past shit they personally had no part in. And they’ll let that shit slide for a bit, but not when it starts hurting.
Again with more stupid nonsense pulled directly from your own ass.
Nail in the coffin, bitch. In 2008, Obaba got 43% of the white vote. In 2012, he got 39%. So no wonder you *actually* think that Michael Brown was running away from the cop with his hands up. Tool Tool Tool Tool.
Your white ancestors got homesteads, gi bill, new deal money, and so on, none of them earned that.
Are you so stupid to believe 43% forms a majority?
Really, examples please. Is telling historical facts of white man raping the world make modern whites feel guilty?
kill idiots and browneys, let the white man prosper.
it has ended long ago, white americans just want it back, and when the time comes, people like you will kneel and beg forgiveness from the barbarian white man.
Tell that to bush. White man ain’t getting shit back.
That’s how Affirmative Action began…because blacks who were just as qualified would get passed over by an equally or less equally certified white candidate. In fact I have seen black or brown people more qualified for a position get passed over for a lesser knowledgeable white person without the length of experience. Even if I have a tougher path to make it somewhere than a white person I rather not use Affirmative Action because I don’t want some dipshit using it as an excuse to denigrate my hard work.
There is a long history of this country of denying middle to upper level positions in companies to qualified people of color.
To be honest I never understood the American practice of using a jury in court cases. Frankly, an average person is an idiot. You just can’t take 12 idiots and let them decide on important matters, with death penalty or tons of money involved.
Exactly.
My dad told me that there were affirmative-action students when he went to law school who would get tutored weeks before the semester even started because they could barely read. They were never going to be attorneys. The school was just using them to fill a quota.
I wasn’t aware That Obama was an “Ayatollah,” that means he would have to be a Shia Muslim and a senior Cleric…and he is none of those….oh I forgot Fox News again smh.
“The thing you to realise with the black population is that you can never
win. The more you try and help them or pander to their demands or sense
of being dealt a bad hand the more they complain. The more you allocate
quotas and implement affirmative action you create more problems down
the line with blacks who then struggle to do the job and a claim for
discrimination when theyre fired. Pander to their sense of victimhood
and their claims of victimhood increase.
The key thing is that their is a failure to recognise blacks
are fundamentally different to everyone else whether white, jewish,
asian or native american. Tests on intelligence, anger levels, ego
levels, propensity to violence, crime and general laziness bear this
out. We all wish blacks were just the same as everyone else, but just
wishing it is reality is not the same as it being reality.”
You do realize that within the American black population, fatherlessness is more common than any other non-Anglo ethnic groups, correct? There’s a reason why single-mother households pander more, while this gynocentric society shows how fatherless boys that grow up to men do NOT have the emotional self-control that boys and girls that grew up with a proactive biological father do.
If anything, American black families are more similar to contemporary Anglo single-mother households, because American black families tend to be single-mother households more than a traditional family unit.
Don’t make illusions that it’s just the American black community that’s having this problem of fatherlessness. They learned that from their Anglo counterparts too!
“So meanwhile students of colour are pandered to at Columbia.
Don’t expect this to do anything except an increase in expectation from
people of color to be pandered to more in the future.”
Why are you using non-Anglo Columbia students as red herring, especially when Anglo women are the most privileged of this era?
Never mind the fact that even Asian Americans, as a group, have the highest salary average amongst non-Anglo groups.
“The people of color and their white knight pc friends are now even attacking the idea of using juries in court cases because they deliver the ‘wrong’
verdict. This is dangerous.”
Even white knights perform their duties to an American WF and her manipulations. That’s how the Ku Klux Klan ended the life (read: LYNCHED) of my granduncle, at the word (read: false accusation) of an American Anglo WF.
Well as the saying goes, “don’t hate the player, hate the game”. Yeah, that’s the one. We blacks are not the ones making the legislation and policies that you decry so your frustration is aimed in the wrong direction. I totally agree with one thing you say though, entitlement programs are absolutely no good. I didn’t grow up on them. Both of my parents worked and went to college and got advanced degrees. Worked their whole lives and now retired. Welfare and it’s like has been a scourge. It, in my opinion, was and is a trojan horse in our community. It has done nothing but stunt our growth. Not too long after slavery, we were doing a LOT better than we are now. We had our own business en masse, own schools, no government aid, etc. Only after going through the nonsense of integration did all of this disintegrate. We got comfortable, lazy, complacent. Satisfied b/c we could take a dump next to some white person in a bathroom stall as if whites as if that is some privilege. What a joke. Convinced that this meant “progress”. Then comes the welfare-which then hastened the disintegration of the black family unit. The man had to be absent for the females to receive said welfare. Now, black women could exercise the alpha fux, beta bux hypergamy. Except in this case, the alpha was Uncle Sam. Cue large hordes (and in direct correlation whores) of single mothers in our community. This brings along with it all kinds of social problems: boys growing up with out fathers to show them how to be men-which is problematic for any males making them feminine and/or blue pill, social problems rise, crime rises, thinking and achievement diminish whereas before all those things were scorned in the black community and we had our own. No need for any handouts. This, not slavery or the remnants of slavery is what caused our demise as a whole. This is why I don’t view white liberals as benefactors of the black community. Blacks messing up here in the states in not indicative of some inherent flaw but of years of conditioning and intergenerational dependence and all the pathos that comes with that. You see the same malaise in Appalacia or any place where there is a similar setup. Black Africans who come here excel and they are black. So do blacks from the carribean. Why? How? They have two parent homes, instill hard work, do not fall into the trap of government help (a trojan horse) and they succeed. No. The Democrats and Republicans is a game. Just sport. Politics, like religion is the opiate of the masses. Obama, like all other politicians, is a puppet. His strings are pulled by those who are truly in charge. He is neither a black leader nor the leader of the “free world”. Anyone thinking anything different needs their head checked. I hear these right wing types whining and complaining and now playing their ‘white male discrimination card” Please. Just like the blacks and other you decry for playing the victim card need to do – you too need to wake up and stop whining and have some self-determination. Quit parroting some dimwit talking about “we want our country back” and “obama is ruining the country” You are so clueless, those who think like that. As if. As if he’s running shit anyway. Sheesh. Ever heard of the central banks and those people? You might wanna start there. Blacks are not your issue. You. You’re your only issue. So get to work. I don’t let the media or anyone else say what shit is for me or dictate my emotions. I know what they’re up to. That’s Fox news as well as CNN. They give two shits about blacks or anyone else for that matter. No. They care about ratings and money and stirring us up so I am against you and you are against me. Meanwhile they are screwing us both. I don’t know about you, but I ain’t going for it. As for me, whites are not my issue either. There are those who are screwing us both. While we go at each other’s throats-we’re all getting fucked by people printing “funny money” and starting wars. Wake the fuck up.
LOL Ignorance at its finest^^^….
It’s not the “Wrong Verdict” is that White on Black violence has a unique dynamic in that Whites have sometimes gotten away with murder literally….which doesn’t happen on Black on White violence. That’s why the statement by many whites and Conservative media is idiotic “Oh why no attention when a black commits violence against a white?” CAUSE THEY GO TO JAIL…Its a false equivalency argument to deviate from the main issue. And The Cops do not even go to Trial in the first place, even in controversial situations.
By the way “P.C.” Culture also punishes Black people as well if you haven’t noticed. I wish you were normal like the average human but as I have seen from our prior history but wishing it to be reality will not make it so.
Clever man…if all blacks were like him there would be no problems whatsoever.
What seems to be a better idea going to law school or going to school for computer networking?
Computer Networking is MUCH better
With law school the only thing that would be open for a job would be working as a lawyer, of which there are too many already. As a lawyer there are all kinds of restrictions on where you can work since you have to be a member of the state bar first, plus there are too many lawyers already. Becoming a lawyer will take more school and cost more.
Computer networking you can do if you just pass certification tests (Microsoft, Cisco, etc) which you can learn on your own. For work you can put yourself out there as setting up networks. Even a 4 year degree in Computer Networking should cost less than becoming a lawyer and earn you more money on average and lead to better things within the IT world. Becoming a lawyer just leads to becoming a ‘reading and writing machine’ with little prospect of doing anything else except for long hours.
IT jobs get outsourced all the time and the college requirements are getting stricter. There is a very real danger every job he gets will be outsourced.
If it was me, and I was starting out again, I would just go learn a trade. Forget college, go learn how to be a plumber or an electrician or some sort of trade. You save yourself an enormous college loan, get paid to learn, and with the short supply of these types of workers currently, the pay is very good. Plus it’s impossible to outsource your plumbing or electrical wiring, etc.
I agree that a trade is better
I started out with a degree in computer science. After about a decade I started to realize that while it was ok, I was not going anywhere and got an MBA, then went to law school.
Unless your father owns a law firm, being a lawyer is the road to ruin since there are too many lawyers.
While the IT is being outsourced, if you learn enough you can make your own software package for sale. (There are too many low level IT people that only setup computers. That stuff is all being outsourced.)
A trade is much better than IT or law. There is no outsourcing a plumbing job or an electrical job. I have noticed that even people in the trades that are retired, are hard to hire for a job because they have so much demand for work for them, and they are free to take or not take whatever work they want, when they want.
True on the trade. That being said, companies *really* value native English speaking coders. There are so few coming out of the native stock these days that they’re becoming hens teeth below the age of 35. Trying to lay out your requirements to a group of mush mouthed unintelligible H1B’s has become more work to many companies than the savings that they supposedly provide.
What about patent prosecution? Granted the number of people with a registration number has soared in the past 15 years, but there are not that many people with the proper prerequisites and inclination to sit for the registration exam.
Patent Prosecution not that good
There seems to have been a shift in patent protection recently. While there were all kinds of abuse with some companies trying to shake down people with patents (patent trolls) there have been some high profile patent disasters.
VRNG won a case against GOOG but recently had it reversed on appeal. Two of the three judges on appeal thought that it was not obvious and therefore the search engine patent was invalid.
Sort of the same kind of problems with Worlds Inc vs Activision patent case about online worlds. All kinds of fighting over a patent filed going back to 1995 on if the patent was valid or not, part of the problem being a filing error made by the USPTO when they published the patent.
Also happened with VHC and Apple where VHC lost its patent case after years of work.
The people involved are spending years on something that may be held to be invalid in the end, meaning that it was all a waste of time and money to have ever gotten a patent. The trend seems to be if you are a big company, just keep filing and appealing until you invalidate the patent.
Surely after the passage of AIA and the PTAB holding AIA trials, there should be plenty of work out there for attorneys, let alone the number of foreign firms who require US based attorneys to relay their filings to the office?
Friends of mine on the prosecution and litigation side of things seem to have plenty of work as it appears that filings at the USPTO have gone back up after dropping a few years back (due to Dudas’s views on “quality” and the economy), and the USTPO’s increases in allowances allow for more litigation.
I’m not a lawyer or agent, so I’m not sure of the current market out there outside of things in EE/IP land. I am eligible to work as an agent (no active reg number right now, but passed the exam), but I am prohibited to do so by my current employer.
Patent work may go down over time as the political climate changes
I am expecting that the overall patent work is going to lessen over time. Where there are some changes in patent laws and revisions on what is or is not patentable with software all the time, there seems to be an overall hostility to the idea that someone should be able to patent something and get payments from their work. (As an example, the term ‘patent trolls’ and the implication that anyone who tries to enforce a patent is somehow evil ) I expect that once the idea of software patents is ‘rolled back’, that the left will then continue to pressure to stop other kinds of patents. The talking point is always that ‘patents inhibit innonvation’ but the problem is that without enforceable patents, why would anyone work extra on something that they can’t benefit from? There are sections of Atlas Shrugged that talk about the problems when patents and property rights are no longer enforceable.
If that does happen, then I can see a day when it would be considered a waste of time and money to get a patent, since what would be the point if you can’t enforce it?
Law school was the prestige credential in the 60s and 70s. Then it was the MBA in the 80s and 90s. For millennials its all about getting in on the ground floor of the next hot tech start-up and getting stock options. When twitter went public it created 1,000 new millionaires, most under 30, and the company might not even be profitable.
This only happened b/c it’s academia and there was enough whining. In the Real World, any little bitch who wanted time off b/c their widdlw feewings were hurt over this would get throat-punched by their managing partner.
Mistral
Agree, until enough of these little bitches hide and survive long enough within the system to take the leadership reigns as the older folks step out. Then there will be a new normal. Good luck with your legal issues after that!
I was at the gym the other day and some guy next to me didn’t like the slight squeeking that my treadmill was making so he threatens twice to kick my ass then pulls some whiney card about PTSD and “purple heart.” While I never served, you think I owe you to switch machines because of PTSD, hat a FAG? My uncles were drafted and would never pull the purple heart shit cause they were annoyed with something. I was so shocked at his sudden loss of control I remained calm and was even phased until after he left and i thought about it. Oh, he also said “thanks for ruining my workout.” I suppose he thinks he gets a free membership because he served too.
He fought for your freedom to use that treadmill! Or something like that. I, too, am sick of the soldier dick sucking. I appreciate our boys acting as another ‘brick in the wall’ but they aren’t fighting any wars that are threatening our liberties and freedom. This ain’t 1941.
It’s the state of things and to come. Let’s slowly carve away strength to fill it with some fucked idea of compassion until everyone is a bunch of total pussies who can’t stand up for themselves no less anyone else.
Law school is horrendous, has low job prospects, about 80% of people regret being lawyers, and it has a high suicide rate. Would not recommend unless you are well-connected and networked. Go to other more lucrative fields.
In an ideal world, the school would tell these students the following:
“We respect the decision to exercise your right to freedom of speech in order to further your views in the world. We also understand that to make that choice you had to forgo your responsibility to your own studies. With all choices come consequences. We wish you the best of luck on the upcoming final exam, which will proceed as scheduled, and value your decision to make the choice to neglect your studies due to your strong beliefs.”
This would drive home a life lesson.
Stop coddling these Millenial dopes. Great Jimminy hotcakes.
“Apology accepted Captain Needa.” 😀
It’s pretty bad when it comes to the point where I can actually see the value in real Darth Vaders whipping these sniveling little weaklings into shape.
“I hope so Commander for your sake. The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am.”
Interesting side note… look at the opening scene when Vader arrives at the second Death Star in ROTJ. It is only his shuttle that is entering and there’s nothing else going on besides that.
In the scene where the Emperor’s shuttle lands, there are tons of ships flying back and forth around the Death Star.
THAT’S leadership.
Hehe. I happen to be in the millenial age bracket but i have to say i found this valuable & funny.
I pity the few competent non-hipster Millenials, to be honest. On the other hand, people like you likely have a world of opportunities open before you given as you have basically no generational competition.
An “ideal world”? No. In a world not entirely dictated by women, more like. The SJW’s fight for an ideal world. We must fight simply for reason
Some of the most hilariously bad attorneys you see in court are the Ivy Leaguers and others from “T-14” schools (law nerd for “top-14” law schools, considered the most prestigious law schools in the country).
Now, let me just say many are great attorneys.Many go on to be federal prosecutors and kick ass. Many also go on to be great Big Firm litigators. And, yes, some go on to be local prosecutors and are very good.
But the ones I see, for the most part, suck ASS.
For those of you who don’t know, there’s a big difference between Fed and State courts. Feds are more prestigious, handle bigger cases, and are more professional. State courts handle a much larger load, handle the majority of criminal, and are a lot more bush league.
But in either scenario, the upper crust lawyers suck. Their law schools don’t have practical training courses—they’re more interested in training them as future politicians and law professors and MSNBC talking heads—ivory tower pontificators. They take cushy jobs that give them a lot of legal research to do but no court room experience or motion filing stuff. When they occasionally do get into court, they not only are awkward and unprofessional, but make ridiculous, heard-it-on-TV arguments that only work on Law & Order.
They are smart, but they think every case turns on policy, not facts. They end up running from court into non-court and non-legal jobs (or else become clerks).
I remember reading Bonfire of the Vanities and how one or two of the prosecutors in it were from Ivy league law schools, and how jealous they were of their big firm classmates who made huge moolah–but at least the Ivy League prosecutors in the book were competent. Wolfe used their few number at the prosecutor’s office as part of his overall theme that the American elites were checking out of the practical, help-the-people grunt work jobs they’d done in the past to pay their dues; instead, American elites were going for the big money jobs that didn’t build anything, create anything, or protect society (Wall Street Bankers, Big Firm Lawyers).
Nowadays, however, your lucky if one T-14 lawyer is decent on his feet.
The gap between academic law and practical law is, sadly, still growing, as this article shows. Therefore, unfortunately, the collapse of the law school bubble (predicted by Instapundit) still hasn’t affected the T-14s. That means lawyers and law schools are still in for the worst legal economy as forthcoming, even though it’s a really horrible time for lawyers right now.
Shouldn’t at some point the crap lawyers from the top tier schools who can’t produce get let go, the law firms still value success don’t they?
They can do all the back room research and grunt work for high pay checks, so they keep them around until they realize its a joke.
But in this recession, big firms are not hiring and are disappearing. Check out the story of Dewey LeBouf—major old school law firm went poof almost overnight.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again,
ELITISM IS A CANCER.
These law schools are a joke and do not produce any actual talent. The brand name of these schools are what is considered as sufficient to get a job at a top law firm these days. Connections, nepotism, school name etc.
Meritocracy has no real value anymore in society, which is why I have given up on humanity.
I have yet to meet a practitioner from any of the top ten schools that was markedly better than anyone else from a top 50 school, and in many cases, they are markedly worse when it comes to practical competence.
If you want to pay someone ridiculous money to think and pontificate about the academic trivialities of your problem all day, please hire these folks. If you want to pay a fraction to someone who will quickly identify and focus on the relevant issue, and then expeditiously achieve the same results, just make sure the attorney went to a school you have heard of and doesn’t have any ethics complaints against him.
Here is another example of elitism at work:
You have 21- 22 year old “management consultants” at top consultancy firms in New York and London, who have no real world experience of running a FTSE 100 company, but is getting to consult to other companies. Why? Female and went to top 10 school.
Remember, sex sells and has more value than meritocracy.
And people always wonder why I am a misanthropist?
“most of these Harvard MBA types don’t add up to dogshit ”
Gordon Gekko
Honestly you can’t learn more in a 2 year MBA program, than you could in a 4 year undergrad business program.
I learnt more about business from Rodney Dangerfield than I ever would have if I pursued a presigious 4 year business degree or MBA from Harvard
what a great scene! the sam kinison scene is priceless too.
As a practicing attorney, I cannot wait for these fucktards to graduate and enter practice so that I can dominate them.
This is nothing but $$$$ in my pocket!
These fucktards are tomorrow’s lawyers, but the day after tomorrow’s judges and senators.
Only if thier hurt feelings over constant legal annihilation don’t drive them from the profession first.
How’s that working out in the family courts?
Or politics, sports, education, corporations, et al.?
You are ignoring how these people work, by swarming systems and rotting them out from the inside. You know it’s true, or you wouldn’t be here.
Eat from the gravy train as long as you can, but invest in a fortress in Belize. You just might need it.
slaughter every single one of them! NO MERCY!
I was a student at Virginia Tech in the Spring of 2007 when the shooting happened. I even had a class in the building it occurred in. They made our exams optional but the rooms were still mostly full when I took them. What a bunch of pussies.
If these morons are preoccupied with their own conception of justice and hurt feelings, I wouldn’t recommend a legal career. The system doesn’t quite work that way.
The problem is that it *will* in fact go full tilt retards with these kinds of students emerging from law school. Not that we’re far from full retard these days.
Anytime somebody tries to brag about being a lawyer or a doctor (especially if they’re trying to insert it into a conversation where it has nothing to do with anything and they’re clearly just posturing) I touch their should with my index finger and assholish-sarcastically say “Oh wow, I can see better now!”
The fuck I care what somebody else does for work? “If it bleeds, we can kill it!”
This is the result of the baby boomer generation coming into positions of seniority and bringing their soft values with them. Everyone is a victim of society at some level in that mental universe. Even if a person is guilty, they are only partially liable, because …. society…
Unrelated – Check out these cartoons by artist Luis Quiles’
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The 3rd one is all too good.
Would be even better if the phones were jizzing ‘likes’ all over her face.
That one is genius.
Where do you get these ?
Someone posted it on my FB. Here is the link there are other pics.
http://www.boredpanda.com/controversial-illustrations-gunsmithcat-luis-quiles/
Thanks.
It is a sign of our feminized times that men also are being conditioned along the same idiotic imaginary mindsets. A world where men & women are allowed to be as mentally & emotionally vulnerable as they want. Any word, TV show, song, gesture could trigger their trauma and they are to be allowed to run back to their safe-house. This is beyond stupid as they are starting to extend their mental crap to men as well.
This kind of crap is hurting them. Columbia as a university, and that includes their undergrad, graduate business school, and law school, have been rapidly sliding in the rankings. Can’t speak to their law school but I know that their business school is now regarded as being a bit of a joke when compared to NYU or Chicago……the only reason a lot of people go there is because of the location and the strong alumni network in finance.
All “business” universities are a joke!
Let’s go learn about business from professors who…
1. Do not even work in a business
2. Have no relevant business experience and couldn’t even manage a 7-11
Wanna bet those fuckwits are going to make sound business decisions once their “education” is over?
The type who goes online and gets in arguments about what is offensive and politically correct seem to outnumber the rest of us 20:1. In reality, when it comes up in a neutral environment, face to face conversation I don’t hear the same outrage. It’s definitely muted and maybe that is because they are scared their small argument will be defeated. They also won’t have 50 orbiters to ‘like’ them and back up their nonsense. The opposite is true too. I’ve noticed when I say in a group something akin to ‘no words can offend me,’ after a pause there is nodding and consensus. We have to remind people of the option to not be offended!
I learnt more about business from Rodney Dangerfield than I ever would
have if I pursued a presigious 4 year business degree or MBA from Harvard:
CLASSIC.
It started in the late 1980s when, any time something happened, the school would bring in “grief counselors”.
HAHAHAHA!!!
“Grief counselors.” Good lord.
George Carlin referred to grief counselors as contributing towards the pussification of America.
Love Carlin, Cris Rock, Paul Mooney. gotta love it
kids like these are why we are hurting for hands in the oil fields cause they’d get butt hurt the second some old timer told them to leave their feelings at the gate and tighten the fuck up. People don’t know how to take a verbal lashing from time to time without getting emotionally scared but it also drives my wages up so I reckon it’s not too bad but I try to go back to my old high school and talk to the kids learning welding and tell them about all the money and traveling but as soon as I mention working 80+ hours a week or getting dirty for a living they’d rather work some easy dead end job and fuck off for life
How much again is the tuition for law school at Columbia?
Doesn’t matter. Just cry when the bill comes and tell them you can’t pay it but you’ll feel really bad if they don’t let you in.
Really? You’re shocked that a school RUN BY LAWYERS and composed of FUTURE LAWYERS would use some bullshit to their advantage? Let’s be real clear about who you are and what you do. Lawyers exploit the inefficiencies in human language in order to acquire as many resources for themselves and their clients, in that order, as is humanly possible.
There is nothing red pill about your profession or the people who CHOOSE to engage in it. Justice is irrelevant. Truth is irrelevant. You, along with bankers, politicians, and enforcers are perpetuators of the dismal human condition by lending the facade of legitimacy to a cabal whose arbitrary opinions, aka “laws” are backed with deadly force. Throughout history, you have been enablers of despots, liars, murderers and thieves. In my opinion, the fact that you are finally “outraged” due to a single faculty decision at a single law school speaks volumes. There is nothing red pill about you and you should hang your head in shame every time you check your bank balance. You want to sell your soul for an upper-middle class existence, fine. But don’t rub my nose in your phony outrage.
Sounds like they just used to system to their advantage hahah. If i had a lawyer and i needed more time argue my case by collecting evidence i wouldnt care if he switched religions to buy us more time. As long as he did it.
Exactly what I said in my commentary. Uh.. it’s called a continuance people. Anybody? Anybody? Far as I’m concerned, these are exactly the kinds of lawyers tailor made for what the law and lawyers have been and still are known for-legal wrangling and dragging things through the court system by getting continuances and the like in order-not to gain any justice-but to WIN cases. Hello?!!! It’s called lawyering. Let’s not act like we buy into some false notion that these students were actually traumatized. No. They were just smart and shrewd to take advantage of an opportunity to study some more. Let’s get real and dispense with all this faux outrage. Yall sound like a bunch of women with all your, “why I never in all my years have seen anything so vile”!! PLEASE get real and take your skirt off. LOL
Well the law school is in New York and this did happen in New York, this is a major international case with wide and far reaching implications. That Eric Garner was assassinated in the street by government thugs not even in uniform should be of great concern to all good and decent human beings who should be traumatized by the grossly corrupted process and actions of the NY DA. When the profession you are thinking of entering has shown it self to perhaps be fundamentally unjust, it certainly is time to pause and reflect. The ideals that law students are taught to become good future lawyers is being challenged. In a free country where free citizens are being murdered with impunity by state backed thugs. That certainly indeed is traumatizing and does call for time to pause and reflect and take time off.
Frankly, bad lawyers like you are the problem with America. Don’t care about truth, don’t care about justice nor fairness nor improving the nation, just care about lining your pocket and trying to play the tough tv lawyer who chases ambulances. Run along little boy and let the adults have adult conversations
“Frankly, bad lawyers like you are the problem with America. Don’t care
about truth, don’t care about justice nor fairness nor improving the
nation, just care about lining your pocket and trying to play the tough
tv lawyer who chases ambulances.”
Frankly, racists, like you, are the problem with America. Don’t care
about truth, don’t care about justice nor fairness nor improving the
nation, just care about your racist agenda.
Racist like me built America, get over it gook.
Troll.
Bad things happen you shake it off you go to work. I had to go to work the next day when someone killed one of my coworkers who was just doing his job. That is how you separate the men from the boys. Mr.Cortez you constantly post dribble about some racial grievance but the truth of the matter is you have to man up. If these lawyers in training can’t handle the outcome of a case because they don’t like the decision the grand jury made, then they won’t be able to handle the rulings made by judges when they lose their cases.
Simply untrue. People are allowed to be traumatized and just because mistakes were made in the past doesn’t mean we should repeat them. People are allowed to experience grief and should be permitted time off to deal with that grief and to go out and make their voices heard about a national tragedy.
The truth is you need to man up and accept the truth. You are a coddled baby trying to play tough guy.
Who said the lawyers can’t handle the outcome, they are grieving the assassination of an innocent man by government backed thugs, who were given immunity from prosecution and false instructions from the DA.
No judge would make such a terrible decision unless he was trying to get fired. The grand jury was given false instructions by the DA.
Not a coddled baby I’ve got bills to pay and obligations. I have kids to take care, and my property to manage, I don’t stop because I had a bad day. The people who I pay bills to don’t care about my feelings they want their money. My boss doesn’t care either he wants me to produce or I’m fired. Nobody cares about how I’m feeling so I don’t tell them and I sure as hell don’t care how some snot nosed kids in college is feeling. I guess I’m from a different generation or maybe my dad did a better job of making a man out of me.
That is a simplistic minded way of viewing things, don’t forget that a forest is made up of trees.
Your not a real man for denying problems exist. Actually, it makes you less of a man, you cannot deal with real problems, you ignore them and pretend they don’t exist, which only contributes to toxic build up and explosions.
The only coddled baby I’ve seen here is, um, YOU. Time and time again you post factually incorrect horseshit and prove your inability to form coherent thoughts and/or carry on intelligent conversation. When a petty thug gets his life interrupted by violence it is NOT assassination. But just keep on proving my points about your stupidity before I even start making them.
As opposed to cocksuckers like you who spout bullshit as though it’s fact? Because that’s intellectually dishonest. And because you suck.
Assassinated? Really? That’s the word you’re going with? You would do well to read the story of the boy who cried wolf. When you shitheads storm and yell and protest over *fucking nothing* it makes everyone take you a little less and less seriously. *spits*
These are the jackasses writing our laws in order to project a pathologically sensitive worldview to be enshrined into the law of the land.
Lawsuits and even the creation of legislation is a huge industry which will ultimately end in ruin. All human interaction will eventually require a legal/bureaucratic lubricant.
Most lawyers (the vast majority) are completely wretched and have turned the profession into a contemptible one.
When I’m accused, or I need to press charges to get whats mine, I don’t want to hire a human being with feelings and a family to feed. I want a soul-less, sentient, robot powered by fear, hate and money.
I literally fell out of my chair laughing as I was reading this article
I heard this and was also stunned. Granted, I went to professional school (medical) years ago, but it would have been akin to saying “the number of un salvageable 19 year old corpses you are bringing me in this war zone makes me unable to try to save another soldier”. Unthinkable.
These cowards are a disgrace to my country. It’s hard to imagine anything more pussified than this.
I just think of the real civil rights lawyers who litigated cases that made a huge difference in helping to ensure that government actually makes some effort to respect our Constitution.
They would all be rolling in their graves at this craven, pathetic behavior.
Are you kidding me? If it pleases the court- I feel your argument full and well. See exactly what you are positing counselor. But let’s get real here. I’m AA but even if I were a white law student -as competitive as law school is- I would take FULL advantage of any and all edges GIVEN away by the school. If they wanna be crazy, sensitive, et al then I will use the time that I’m so “scarred and traumatized” to study even more to ensure the best grades thus putting myself in the best position to succeed. It would be a business decision for me. Nothing to do with pussification- unless, of course, you were seriously traumatized to the point of being unable to take the test. I mean, how many cases do lawyers have where you win a case where you know damn well you didn’t earn it but circumstances dictate a win for your side. What are you gonna do? Hold a sidebar with the judge and other attorneys and give back your victory that was “wrongly” given to you? It’s ironic that a lawyer (with the stellar, always honest and ethical reputations you guys have as a group-LOL) would be making this argument. Again, if you are only talking about those who are seriously traumatized by those rulings then I stipulate to what you are saying. As far as any students, and I would assume them to be many, who smartly and in true Machivellian fashion, took advantage of this situation to give themselves a competitive edge- I wouldn’t hold them under your same indictment. They were merely smart. Corporations, lawyers, sports teams and many others take advantage of situations like this all the time. Do I believe all the people who delayed their test dates were “traumatized”? Uh, hell no. Just shrewd, that’s all. If the government said all white males b/c of the recent backlash against you calling you all racists and misogynists, etc are entitled to 2 million dollars and all you have to do is fill out a form stating that you were “emotionally damaged” in some way by those allegations, would you go and collect your 2 million? If you wouldn’t, (and I’m sure some dimwit is going to state that they wouldn’t just on the basis of some laughable principle), then you would be a fool. No reasonable doubt about it. Doesn’t require you to be telling the truth about being “emotionally damaged”, it just takes making a smart business move and leveraging it. Again I state, for those who actually were “traumatized” I feel the same as you. But I highly doubt there were many who fell under that category. No. There were just some intelligently shrewd law students who said to themselves, ‘what? you mean I can study a little longer so as to get a better grade and get a leg up on my competition here thus possibly getting a better GPA, better internships and ultimately better job?-count me in” In true lawyer fashion. And you know what, in that case, I don’t blame them one bit. You think a team is gonna give back their Super Bowl rings b/c they won on a clearly bad call? Or in this case be given an extra 50 yards so as to be closer to the goal line. I don’t think 99% of anyone would not take advantage of that-esp our always squeaky clean, always stand for justice and honor attorneys. LOL. If you ask me, it was good training for what they’ll be doing in the real world as practicing lawyers and politicians. I rest my case. I should’ve gone to law school.
I’m black and if I were a law student there I would have most definitely opted for a continuance on taking the test. Would it have been b/c I was truly “traumatized”? Nope. It would be an opportunity to put myself in a better position to succeed in an ultra-competitive environment that is law school. it is a competition and I am going to exploit every and any opportunity to win. Point blank. Don’t like it? Go cry to your mama. That’s life and it ain’t always fair. Surprised to see so many guys here whining about it but hey, Whatever. Get over it. That’s what lawyers do. That’s what any smart person would do given the chance. Has nothing at all to do with “trauma” and everything to do with leveraging a loophole. That’s all it was. Plain and simple. Note: Let’s not act like Columbia Law School is an HBCU. Last time I checked, it’s one of the 8 Ivy-league schools and they are white run institutions. So let’s not act like blacks somehow made the policies there at Columbia University’s Law School. That’s number one. Also, I bet that Columbia Law School can’t be more than 5 % black students and that might be high. So that would mean that approx 95% of the students who decided to take advantage of being “traumatized” (aka just exploiting this as an opportunity for more study time- you know b/c they were so hurt-sniff, sniff, boo hoo-LOL) were NON-BLACKS. They were vast majority WHITE people-most likely white males who took advantage of this loophole they were given by Columbia Law School. White females too. Smart, if you ask me. Very shrewd. Just like, well, just like a good lawyer would do. Let’s get real, none of them was actually traumatized. They smartly took advantage of a situation and used it to their own advantage. It’s the American way. Stop acting like old ladies in a knitting circle judging some 22 year old who is wearing a tight skirt. Using anything you can to get ahead is how it’s done in a capitalist society and that’s what good lawyers are known for last time I checked. Get real. As for any of you up on your moral high horse- if you were in that competitive environment and did not take advantage of that situation for your own benefit- I would highly question your competence as a practicing attorney. I certainly wouldn’t hire you to defend me or protect my interests. It’s called vigorously defending your client. You use whatever loopholes and such to get continuances and anything else that enables you to win. This is what attorneys do everyday. Get your collective panties out of a bunch. Or go about changing the system that allowed this since you are sooooo outraged. LOL If you aren’t going to do that, you’re just complaining like a bunch of women.
i think you see so many guys “whining” about this b/c it’s not ethical. there’s no pride in doing that shit. not to say that it’s wrong–if that’s what you gotta do to succeed, do you.
most guys, myself included, are more pissed that columbia administrators have become so lib-PC to even give students the option to postpone. that’s the real tragedy.
It’s not “ethical”??? Come on man. Get real here. Did you just use the word “ethical” here? Are you really taken aback that a Law School, of all places, would resort to something “unethical”? What world do you live in? Because the one I live in, most lawyers are anything but ethical. “Ethical”? What is that anyway? Some b/c term that is nothing if it’s not a totally subjective term that each individual makes up on the fly. As long as you’re on the winning side, you’re ok with a win-it’s only those who lose who cry about the other side being “unethical”. Most lawyers=unethical and do anything to win. Law Schools= places where they train said lawyers. Therefore, no one should be surprised, shocked, outraged in the slightest that some aspiring lawyers took full advantage of a loophole given to them by a place, a Law School no less, that is set up to train them to do such things. Have you ever heard of lawyers getting continuances to further postpone hearings or trials in order to put themselves in a better position to win? Happens all the time. You think that’s “unethical” too? How bout when lawyers get people off for committing child abuse or murder when they know full and well their client did it? That “unethical” too? Or when they get companies out of paying damages when their product causes injury or death? Unethical? Well, this is what lawyers do so as far as the system of law is concerned, nothing was done wrong here. Nothing at all. Just guys getting all in their emotions with faux outrage is all. You said something about, “if that’s what you gotta do to succeed then do you”. It’s not what the students did, it’s what the Law School did in giving them this loophole. The students, more than likely over 90% of them white, smartly took full advantage of the “continuance” that the school offered them to get ahead. That’s called being smart. If you were a lawyer representing a client and you were offered a stay or continuance based on something you found to be a “PC liberal” reason by the Judge, you telling me that you would refuse to take it so as to more vigorously defend your client? If you would refuse it, you would be totally incompetent as an attorney and would really deserve to be disbarred. “pissed” at a place that produces the very lawyers who do such things everyday in their professional lives and who do all sorts of truly unethical things all the time? You can’t be serious. Lawyers always do what most would call “unethical” things. This is nothing new. Who do you think gets murderers and drug dealers off? HUH? Why are you surprised or “pissed” that a place that produces such people who do these unethical things as part of their very jobs? How could you even fathom that they would never do anything “unethical”? It defies logic. These places are factories for producing professionals who then go out and commit “unethical” acts by the boatloads. Hell, it’s part of many lawyers’ job description. Why do you think most politicians are lawyers? you think that’s a coincidence? Oh yeah, that’s an ethical bunch. Get real. If you have a problem with lawyers being “unethical” or a Law School being “unethical” then I guess you better get busy overhauling the whole system but I don’t think you are really interested in doing that. No. You have selective “outrage”. News flash- Columbia Law School and every other law school in existence have been doing “unethical” things their whole time in existence. Why? The whole jurisprudence system has a ton of “unethical” things going on in it. Always has. Always will. Lawyers have been unethical since they started practicing. That’s why all the lawyer jokes and derision for lawyers in general. Welcome to the real world.
I think I can understand why these children acted this way.
For probably the first time in their lives, they experienced a loss. During the whole time they grew up, they probably played those scoreless soccer games or participated in activities where everyone got a trophy. They most likely never experienced a real, tangible loss at any way and they must be totally flabbergasted that something didn’t go their way. They were fully expecting “the system to be fair” and at least in the Garner case offer up some indictment, because “that’s how the system works.”
For a child, losing a hard-fought game can be traumatic and heart breaking because of their limited perspective. To see them cry or be extremely upset is a normal reaction. But for them to understand what losing is early on in life, and to expect that it can happen, is a vital life skill.
I’d figure that any lawyer has to be mentally prepared to accept the fact that he might present the best, most airtight case but he can still lose for any number of reasons. It sucks, but if these snowflakes can’t handle this, they might want to consider a different line of work.
Both the Dean and the Director of Academic Counseling have hyphenated last names. Case solved. I don’t care what anyone says, if you have a hyphenated last name I reserve the right to completely ignore anything you say, because either you are a feminist or your parents were.
If you are a female feminist, then you suffer from mental retardation and nothing you say should be taken seriously because it’s cruel to patronize the handicapped.
If you are a male feminist, then we should throw you a blanket party once a day until you see the error of your ways and stop betraying your gender.
Maybe the future lawyers at Columbia could get a few hints from the “girls” in Columbia Business School about how to be tough. They’re repulsive as women, but they’d make better lawyers than the dolts in Columbia Law School will.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/11/bitch-in-business-all-about-that-bass-parody-columbia_n_6307910.html
Society continues to get sicker. Lawyers turn into crybabies, women turn into men, and men are turning into manginas.
Are you kidding me? If it pleases the court- I feel this argument full
and well. I See exactly what is being said. But let’s get
real here. I’m black but even if I were a white law student -as competitive
as law school is- I would take FULL advantage of any and all edges
GIVEN away by the school. If they wanna be crazy, sensitive, et al then I
will use the time that I’m so “scarred and traumatized” to study even
more to ensure the best grades thus putting myself in the best position
to succeed. It would be a business decision for me. Nothing to do with
pussification- unless, of course, you were seriously traumatized to the
point of being unable to take the test. I mean, how many cases do
lawyers have where you win a case where you know damn well you didn’t
earn it but circumstances dictate a win for your side. What are you
gonna do? Hold a sidebar with the judge and other attorneys and give
back your victory that was “wrongly” given to you? It’s ironic that a
lawyer (with the stellar, always honest and ethical reputations you guys
have as a group-LOL) would be making this argument. Again, if you are
only talking about those who are seriously traumatized by those rulings
then I stipulate to what you are saying. As far as any students, and I
would assume them to be many, who smartly and in true Machivellian
fashion, took advantage of this situation to give themselves a
competitive edge- I wouldn’t hold them under your same indictment. They
were merely smart. Corporations, lawyers, sports teams and many others
take advantage of situations like this all the time. Do I believe all
the people who delayed their test dates were “traumatized”? Uh, hell no.
Just shrewd, that’s all. If the government said all white males b/c of
the recent backlash against you calling you all racists and misogynists,
etc are entitled to 2 million dollars and all you have to do is fill
out a form stating that you were “emotionally damaged” in some way by
those allegations, would you go and collect your 2 million? If you
wouldn’t, (and I’m sure some dimwit is going to state that they wouldn’t
just on the basis of some laughable principle), then you would be a
fool. No reasonable doubt about it. Doesn’t require you to be telling
the truth about being “emotionally damaged”, it just takes making a
smart business move and leveraging it. Again I state, for those who
actually were “traumatized” I feel the same as you. But I highly doubt
there were many who fell under that category. No. There were just some
intelligently shrewd law students who said to themselves, ‘what? you
mean I can study a little longer so as to get a better grade and get a
leg up on my competition here thus possibly getting a better GPA, better
internships and ultimately better job?-count me in” In true lawyer
fashion. And you know what, in that case, I don’t blame them one bit.
You think a team is gonna give back their Super Bowl rings b/c they won
on a clearly bad call? Or in this case be given an extra 50 yards so as
to be closer to the goal line. I don’t think 99% of anyone would not
take advantage of that-esp our always squeaky clean, always stand for
justice and honor attorneys. LOL. If you ask me, it was good training
for what they’ll be doing in the real world as practicing lawyers and
politicians. I rest my case. I should’ve gone to law school.
What’s left of the profession is going to shit. This is just the tip of the iceberg. About ten years ago the bar passage rate at my otherwise modest law school was the highest in the state. 98%. There were special events, newsletters, and the school even introduced a short course that amounted to boot camp in self-scheduling and self-discipline. The trend continued for years. The most recent July bar passage rate…59%.
Not sure it’s entirely on the schools, though, given the fact that the 2011 entering class had the highest scores in history (right before the downturn in applications).
Wow. This pushed me over the edge. We have gone off the fucking rails. I will not be a passive observer in this anymore. I will not ‘enjoy the decline’. I will fight against the corruption of this nation’s institutions, even if it is too late. I will call out weakness where I see it, even if it gets me shunned. I will stand up for justice and strength, even if I am the last man standing.
However quixotic the quest, I will persevere. I will not be a victim of the victim culture
Anyone still reading this article will like what happened at Oberlin University.
http://chicksontheright.com/posts/item/26850-oberlin-student-gets-owned-by-her-instructor
Am I the only one who noticed the names of those two who decided this were both Jewish names?
That’s the ever growing pussification of society, since we let women work, progress has stalled and society is breaking appart.