People are still talking about this year’s Super Bowl commercials. Aside from the most obviously controversial advert, one other spot is generating a lot of conversation. That ad came courtesy of Volkswagen:
The chattering classes immediately began to try drumming up controversy based on the fact that the ad shows white people speaking with Jamaican accents. This silly critique shows what I consider to be a remarkable irony: in this effort to play the race card where it does not need to be played, these people show the same kind of ignorance that many of the racists they criticize are guilty of.
My mother actually introduced me to this commercial on Facebook prior to the Super Bowl. She loved it, and so did I. Most every other Jamaican I’ve seen has no problem with it. Yet we have Americans claiming offense on our behalf.
Aside from the fact that the Jamaicans themselves generally have no issues with this ad, there are a couple of other reasons why the “racist” calls are nothing short of pure fuckery:
1. “Jamaican” is a nationality, not a race.
Culture and nationality can transcend racial boundaries. You would think that those who loudly claim to oppose racism, given their commitment to egalitarianism and opposition to rigid box definitions/generalizations about groups of people, would be able to understand this and perhaps grasp the possibility that not every Jamaican must be black. You would be wrong.
2. Going off of point one, there are many non-black Jamaicans.
Here is a site that catalogs photo albums of major club/party events in Jamaica. You can see a lot of young Jamaicans there. They are disproportionately from the island’s socio-economic elite (those are the folks who frequent these particular events most), but still Jamaicans all the same.
What do you see?
White Jamaicans. Chinese Jamaicans. Indo-Jamaicans (Jamaicans of East Indian heritage). Black Jamaicans. And many more people who are some combination of these.
There are hundreds of thousands of these people running around in Jamaica, and they all have the same Jamaican accent you’d hear from Afro-Jamaicans. Jamaica (and, for that matter, the rest of the Caribbean) is far more diverse than people think.
Our national motto is “Out of many, one people”. We take that seriously, and I don’t appreciate watching idiots in the media subvert it in order to drum up needless controversy.
In this episode we see the limits of the race card and how it can be played. So quick have certain progressives and supposed anti-racists come to play the card that they now begin to show the same level of ignorance and offensive generalization their more racialist opponents are said to be guilty of. They place artificial divisions among peoples based on their own incomplete understandings of them, and in doing so foster some of the very division they claim to be fighting.
In working so hard not to offend, they end up being more offensive.
Multiracialism is a foundation of Jamaican culture (hence the whole “Out of many, one people” thing). We take that as a serious matter of national pride. Supposedly this is the kind of thing the folks opposed to this commercial would support given their opposition to “racism.” Yet their critiques imply a Jamaican identity that isn’t multiracial as it is in reality, but strictly mono-racial, one in which black Jamaicans are the only “real” Jamaicans.
You cannot knock down boundaries by erecting artificial ones. I’m all for pointing out instances of racism when they appear as racism is still an issue, but such efforts will soon be futile if people continue to play the race card where it is unwarranted. One can only cry wolf so many times before they are ignored.
When these people come to understand this, perhaps the irrational use of the race card in instances like this will decline. Until then, people need to sit back and just enjoy the commercial.
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White people might not think along racial lines, but all the other races emphatically do.
Some 35% of whites voted for Obama.
Conversely, over 99% of blacks did. Jews defend Israel (which is defined by the Jewish race, not any religion) by a similar 99% clip. And when Mexicans enter a town, they immediately vote out the white politicians and soon it’s another crumbling Hispanic city.
Telling people to “Don’t think about race” is just code to command whites to continue to submit to racial subjugation by Jews, blacks, Mexicans, and Arabs (in Europe).
There is NOTHING WRONG with white people being proud of and defending their beautiful heritage.
congratulations, this has nothing to do with article he wrote.
Seemed pretty on-theme to me, a relevant point in a discussion about race and racism
dude he used an article about the particular culture & diversity of jamaica as a pretext to ejaculate a stream of pre-drafted butthurt about the US 2012 presidential election. part of the reason these discussions are so often fruitless is because people show up stroking fake outrage hard-ons about shit that is only tangentially related to the topic at hand.
dragnet, don’t you realize that any time anyone makes even the most oblique reference to race, it’s perfectly appropriate to make claims of white superiority? Or at least bring up HBD and IQ scores. Which isn’t racist.
And just because they bring it up every time there’s even the remotest chance that somebody somewhere might see it as vaguely related and ferociously rip into anybody who disagrees with them, it’s just that they’re into math. It’s a harmless hobby. Doesn’t mean a thing.
Apparently dragnet finds it offensive that a white person actually be sick of the “racism” card and should never be allowed to proclaim how proud he is of the achievements of his own race.
Nothing wrong with hating the racism card, I despise it, but being proud of the achievements of your “race” is trying to take credit for things you had nothing to do with.
I neither accept nor deserve either pride or shame for anything that was done before I was born.
As long as people refuse to put down the racism card, and take benefit of race at the expense of whites, then whites have every right to be proud of their own heritage.
But if I see you out there equally putting down the black history month and all of that heritage bull$hit, as well as removing the “minority” benefits, then I am right beside you.
The solution is for individuals to take credit and blame for their own actions and to decline credit and blame for the actions of others. I therefore reject affirmative action and just about every wealth redistribution scheme.
I don’t want to play the race card to better effect than they do, I want to burn it to ashes.
I agree with you, but the reality is that will never happen.
David how’s the weather in Tel Aviv ?
We know you Talmudic jews are obsessed with race, no need to remind us (you have the chutzpa to talk about “subjugation”, when your country has born out of the subjugation of native palestinians…).
And btw, there’s no “black invasion” in Europe, actually it is the West that is militarily occupying and bombing Arab countries for years now.
David how’s the weather in Tel Aviv ?
We know you Talmudic jews are obsessed with race, no need to remind us (you have the chutzpa to talk about “subjugation”, when your country has born out of the subjugation of native palestinians…).
And btw, there’s no “black invasion” in Europe, actually it is the West that is militarily occupying and bombing Arab countries for years now.
Man, to think that I just felt foolish for misinterpreting somebody’s point, reading THIS post makes me feel like a genius by comparison!
I’m well aware of what the West (at the command of its Zionist overlords) is doing to the Arab world. It is mass murder, and it is absolute evil. If I could do anything to stop it, I would….but I’m powerless, as most of us are. Make NO mistake, though, that it is neocons (Jewish dominated “conservatism” which has nothing to do with sincere conservatism) and faux liberals who are behind all this (and 9/11, for that matter).
….But I have friends in Italy, and they have become TOTALLY racist because their once-peaceful Italian towns have been besieged by immigrants from Somalia, Yemen, and other third world African and Arabic countries. On a massive scale, homes are being broken, car theft is ubiquitous, and old Italian ladies are being raped by these invading hordes. This is happening in France, England, Sweden….all over Europe. Make no mistake, the Jews are orchestrating this “multiculturalism”, as well! The website TheOccidentalObserver has chronicled the facts behind this mass immigration and the puppetmasters very well.
@David do fuck off, fed up of you retarded neonazis hijacking serious issues you know FA about and giving the Left more ammo for them to use against people like me by associating us with the likes of you. Xxx A European
@June, if you knew anything about the history of Israel you’d have known that the Arab rulers were just as responsible when they expelled all the Jews in their countries as soon as Israel was created, 800,000 of them, more than the number of Palestinian Arabs who fled but don’t let facts get in the way of propaganda.
Barrani:
I’m not a neo-Nazi, but, yeah, I’d rather you slander me with that bogus term than call me a “Communist”. Because, of course, the Jewish Communists (Communism was a wholly Jewish creation – from Marx, to Lenin, to Trotsky) committed an evil Holocaust of at least 10 million Christian Russians.
So as far as slanders go, better to be called a Nazi than a Communist.
You post Nazi propaganda about stuff you know little about then you get called a Nazi, easy as that. It’s only slander when it’s false. Then again, it is good to see you being pleased at not being labeled a Communist, you might as well be because you will never be labelled as a intelligent individual. So give yourself credit for being ignorant shit of one shade and not the other. Others would avoid being shit altogether.
Stalin who perpetrated a lot of those atrocities was a Georgian of Orthodox background and it wasn’t just Christian Slavs who bore the brunt of it. Am I going to teach you history as well?
Hey Barrani,
Leave me alone and go back to making your porn, eh chief?
Anyway, yeah, the Communist Revolution was created, funded, and executed by Jews against Russian gentiles. I just hope and pray we stop you people from ever again waging another of your genocidal Holocausts against us gentiles. The ten million murdered Russians and countless more million murdered Arabs are far too many already.
And you can’t teach anybody anything, because everything from your mouth is a lie. Jews, who killed both Lord Jesus and their own prophets, and have persecuted us [Christians]; and they do not please God and are contrary to all men.”
-Thessalonians 2:15
Is Barrani our resident Hasbara Troll? Oh Joy.
@David, no, communism had nothing to do with “Jewish funding”, that’s an old lie. In reality, the most important backers of the Bolsheviks was the German Empire, who gave Lenin free passage to St. Petersburg and gave the far-left support because they wanted to knock Russia out of the war…and they succeeded in doing so. Blaming it in “teh Jews” is both malicious and utterly false.
This is doubly true when you consider that neither Lenin nor Stalin (or Molotov or Kirov or Yezhov or Kautsky or Thaelmann or Bukharin or Mikoyan or Khrushchev or tons of others) were Jewish.
So yeah, go read some history before you go off ranting about how it’s always the Jews’ fault.
Christ, you’re boring. Shame I can’t massacre you and the rest of your bloodline with my uncircumcised cock to prevent the stupid gene from being passed on.
And to that other anonymous retard, no I’m not Israeli or even Jewish. Unlike most of you there however I can actually find those countries on a map without consulting Wikipedia. You don’t get to poop around and not expect a reaction.
Dragnet,
You were right: I did absolutely jump to conclusions about the point of this particular article and so my comment was kind of a non sequitur. I now see that the article was essentially a totally different topic from what I’d assumed. So I feel kind of stupid now.
And thanks to Matt for agreeing with my point (which does still stand), despite its irrelevance to Mr. McGinnis’s article.
Anti-racism is just a code-word for anti-white.
Listen David, you’re so right. It’s really the Jews behind everything in the world. Don’t let these Jews try to fool you. You and me, we know.
A very intelligent youtube video on how Jews control absolutely everything:
False.
Obama won 93% of the black vote.
To put this into perspective, Al Gore won 90% of the black vote in 2000.
John Kerry got 88% in 2004.
Clinton got 83% and 84% in his two elections, respectively.
Dukakis managed to grab 89% of the black vote in 1988.
Mondale managed to get 91% of black voters on his side in 1984.
What does all of this indicate?
Blacks overwhelmingly support Democratic politicians, and have done so firmly for the past 30-40 years. Even a white Democrat can expect to pull 9 out of 10 black voters to his side in any given election. Blacks distrust conservatives in general, not whites. They will vote heavily for white men so long as they are not Republicans.
Obama got 93% of the black vote, a figure of statistically insignificant difference with the number attained by the likes of Gore and Mondale before him and not very distinct (4 or 5 points) from the results Kerry and Dukakis managed. Even the gap between him and Clinton is no more than 10% (more than 8 out of 10 blacks still favored Clinton).
This is to be expected. Blacks have been voting overwhelmingly Democrat for multiple generations now, and Obama was not going to change this. Yet when a Black presidential candidate repeats the results of numerous white candidates before him, suddenly this becomes an issue of racism.
Blacks are racist…because by supporting this black candidate in overwhelming numbers they’re doing exactly what they’ve been doing for decades in support of candidates who look nothing like them.
Your argument flies about as well as a drunken penguin.
7% of blacks voted for Romney!
Blacks and Jews don’t vote for their own race!
False and false. Thanks for lying though, chief!
Your fave site, HuffPost headline: “Mitt Romney Is Capturing Zero Percent Of The Black Vote, According To New Poll”
Black voters voted for Mitt Romney in numbers below all polls statistical margin of error.
(I think that the HuffPost followed this article up with another called “America’s Rape Culture Epidemic!” which you likely shared on your Facebook page.)
I Googled “2012 election racial demographics”. The HIGHEST figure for black voters voting against Obama was….4% (Reuters-Ipsos). The margin of error was 5%. Even if that 4% figure is true – it’s not, but let’s pretend – it’s a good bet that those “blacks” were probably one quarter black or else were writing in Al Sharpton for President. And, anyway, you claimed 7%, which is a hilarious lie.
Blacks overwhelmingly support blacks. Latinos overwhelmingly support latinos Jews overwhelmingly support anybody except white gentiles….and whites support anybody but each other.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/21/mitt-romney-black-vote_n_1820329.html
By the way, you said my argument “flies as well as a drunken penguin”.
Kind of a lame metaphor. A more apt metaphor you could’ve tried was, “Your argument holds up worse than my dick without my Viagara.”
By the way, Limpy, just like I don’t watch the cuckold porn you stroke to, I also don’t follow your pop politics because, ya know, it’s kinda gay.
So, like, I know you thought you looked sophisticated and hip by linking to non sequitur articles polls about U.S. politics from decades ago, it’s all just gay gibberish.
And, yeah, blacks vote almost exclusively for blacks. Here’s Chris Rock: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DePjG71zttQ
I know you can’t call him racist because he’s black.
(Sorry, I linked to the wrong Chris Rock bit above. Here’s the correct one:
http://www.hark.com/clips/fjbgxvxdxx-more-on-this-story-from-chris-rock )
Don’t know whether my original reply to Mr. McGinnis’s lies about black voters got through. Here are the facts (with no links so that this post will go through: just Google the subject “2012 Vote Demographics”
1) HuffPost (Mr. McGinnis’s go-to site!) reported, “Mitt Romney Is Capturing Zero Percent Of The Black Vote, According To New Poll”
2) A California NPR Station reported Romney got less than 2% of the black vote.
3) CNN Reported 0% black voters voting for Romney (“Why black voters reject Romney”)
The facially absurd claim that only 93% of blacks didn’t vote for Romney can be explained easily: Either they lied, either there were 7% of respondents who said they were “undecided” but were planning on voting for Obama, or else the margin of error was 7% and the editors of the poll just generously gave those points to Romney.
So, yeah, according to NPR, CNN, and HuffPost, effectively 100% of blacks voted for Obama.
I haven’t told any lies.
This information comes from exit polls taken after the election, which is why it clashes with the sources you mention in your first and third points. That HuffPost article about a “new” poll claiming Romney was getting 0% of the black vote was from August, and the CNN article came from October. Actual post-election results are more accurate than this, hence my differing conclusion.
Your NPR information is likely misread. 2% of Romney’s voters were black, but he actually managed to get 6% of the overall black vote.
The claim doesn’t really need explanation because it is factual. Romney won 6% of the black vote. Only 1% of the respondents were “undecided”.
Your conspiracy theories here are unfounded, as are your claims of my being a liar. Do not mistake your own ignorance for my dishonesty.
Such a conclusion could only be drawn by one without accurate information.
Yeah, that’s cool, you’re cherry-picking polls to try and convince people of your hilarious opinion that blacks don’t vote along ethnic lines.
People can do their own research and use their own functioning brains to see how fiercely ethnic blacks are. I live near a once-thriving American city which has been taken over by incompetent blacks. They don’t care that their city is now a third world wasteland, every election each one vows to, as the black buffon mayor of New Orleans Ray Nagen said, “Keep it a Chocolate city.”
So, yeah, blacks vote for each other because of race.
“The Phildadelphia Inquirer reported today that, in 59 precincts in inner-city Philadelphia, the GOP nominee received not a single vote. And according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer, nine precincts in Cleveland returned zero Romney votes.”
-CBS News
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57548626/romney-earned-zero-votes-in-some-urban-precincts/
I didn’t cherry pick anything. I cited the most widely quoted exit polls in the media, and even used a conservative source (fox news) to do so. This is very basic information that I simply have no need to manipulate in order to get my point across. The facts are clear, and they work against you.
Let me guess: Detroit.
I’m sure you’ll be able to find plenty of cases of race favoritism among blacks in elections across the country.
All I am saying is that Obama’s results in the presidential election do not do anything to make that point. A white democrat could easily have replicated those results in a presidential election, and this has in fact been done multiple times in the past. I’m not saying that race played no role in how some blacks chose to vote, but Obama’s results among them were not special.
If you’re trying to find an example to prove your point about black ethnic favoritism in elections, this election does you no good.
Percentages may be similar.
but how about overall black voter turnout?
a large number of blacks came out to vote because of Obama’s blackness, not because they are unrelentingly dedicated to the democrat cause.
This not about race, it is about manufactured outrage and page views.
What this issue, this VW commercial “outrage” is about speaks more to the profit strategies of media and internet entities in an age of massive amounts of content options. FOX News was the originator of it and the rest of the media has learned the lesson.
And I can see it worked because of your comment is exactly the outrage that FoxNews manufactured on the night of the election, “Those real Americans didn’t vote for Obama.” And that it was all about race. Never mind that a great many Americans are in economic circumstances that Democratic policies seem to address. No it was race.
Outrage, especially manufactured outrage is profitable. In this circumstance someone dreams up the idea that “people” are outraged over the use of Jamaican accents by Whites in a product for a typically white consumer group. What this author says is “Well, who? ‘Cause us Jamaicans weren’t.”
Who knows? Maybe VW manufactured this to get more page views on the commercial after Super Bowl. But it certainly got clicks from those that saw the commercial and wondered “What outrage? I didn’t see anything wrong. And they read to see exactly “who” was outraged. And then those that didn’t see the commercial watched it for the first time to judge. Probably most thought “Whatever” and then went on to another page. But it doesn’t matter, that page view clicker incremented by one, and revenue was chalked up for the ads in the sidebar or in the banner.
I read a condemnation of Jezebel written by a woman author on Slate in 2010. She was referring to an article in Jezebel about a woman hired by the Daily Show that had previously been on the covers of Playboy and Maxim, Olivia Munn. Jezebel writer Irin Carmon’s argument was:
“The Daily Show is a “boys’ club where women’s contributions are often ignored and dismissed.”
That The Daily Show had hired a woman, but they hadn’t hired the “right kind” of woman. The female Slate writer went on to say:
“Carmon’s post has generated almost 1,000 comments and nearly 90,000 page views. It’s a prime example of the feminist blogosphere’s tendency to tap into the market force of what I’ve come to think of as “outrage world”—the regularly occurring firestorms stirred up on mainstream, for-profit, woman-targeted blogs like Jezebel and also, to a lesser degree, Slate’s own XX Factor and Salon’s Broadsheet. They’re ignited by writers who are pushing readers to feel what the writers claim is righteously indignant rage but which is actually just petty jealousy, cleverly marketed as feminism. These firestorms are great for page-view-pimping bloggy business. But they promote the exact opposite of progressive thought and rational discourse, and the comment wars they elicit almost inevitably devolve into didactic one-upsmanship and faux-feminist cliché. The vibe is less sisterhood-is-powerful than middle-school clique in-fight, with anyone who dares to step outside of chalk-drawn lines delimiting what’s “empowering” and “anti-feminist” inevitably getting flamed and shamed to bits.”
And in the last two years, Slate has decided that if you can’t beat them, join them, and they too have devolved into “outrage” journalism. I’ve noted tons of outrage Slate Feminist stories.
And the Manosphere is certainly not innocent in using Outrage to gain page views. Roosh has noted that posts on Game Tactics or even more so, weight lifting, receive much fewer, significantly fewer page views, than something titled “Why women are fat bitches and men are better”.
It is the whole strategy of certain internet media stars. Hugo Schmegma is the key example. Nobody pisses men off more than him and his articles get linked in both Feminist and Manosphere blogs. And the original publisher get clicks and clicks and a firestorm shit riot occurs in comments where the women say “Yes, those men suck” and the men say “Hugo you’re a faggot”. And he laughs all the way to the bank.
And in the end, gender relations are fucking damaged. More men hate more women and more women hate more men. But Hugo got page views.
And certainly in conservative blogs. Nobody reads “Everything is Ok and there is nothing to worry about.” But post “Experts warn of impending currency crash due to Fed Actions. Tomorrow!!!” and people read it. The liberal readers post some comment in a liberal blog about that “idiot” with a link and then conservatives comment about those “idiot” liberal commenters in other blogs, with a link. And Google Ads has money, for days, to throw away on projects like self driving cars or wide area 10 gig networks in Kansas City.
So no, no writer is going to put the Race Card away, even if the “race” being insulted or protected could care less.
Publish or Perish, baby. And in the internet age, get viewed, no matter what. It’s the same thing as a paparazzi hollering at a celebrity “Is it true your mother likes gang bangs?” When celebrity, shocked, looks to see who asked some shit like that, his picture is taken. So write whatever you want, just be sure to get viewed. And the more outfuckingrageous you are today, the more views you can get tomorrow.
It’s a growth industry. I’m just pissed because I can only see it happening but I am too stupid to actually think up something original so I can get in on it.
Maybe Outrage over Outrage.
Excellent post man. I wasn’t aware of the whole commercial controversy until now, and honestly I really enjoyed the commercial and the response video as well. It’s frustrating how so many people will be butthurt over such trivial shit like this. I love it, I love the celebration of diversity and cultures and VW did that with their commercial. Smh definitely need to get the get the hell out of this ultra-PC nation.
Good on you.
Great post. Thanks for the brief insight into Jamaica and its people. Never knew Jamaica was that diverse. Always just thought it was African, with an Indian minority.
Personally I am always weary of anyone claiming offence on behalf of any other person or group. That group really only serves as a prop for their grandstanding. If you really have to go out of your way to be offended in life, because it fulfills some sort of harmful psychological need you can’t control, at least have the decency to find offence in something directly related to you personally. Not deluding yourself that you are speaking up for some unrelated, or even related, group of people.
The funny thing is, the artist Jimmy Cliff used in the ad recently won a grammy for a record that no Jamaican under 40 knew existed.
From Wikipedia:
Today, 92% of Jamaica’s residents are of Black African descent. East Indians and African-East Indians make up about 3.4% of the population, while Caucasians represent about 3.2%. Chinese and African-Chinese residents compose a little over 1% of the population.
Jamaica seems to be pretty much a mini-South Africa.
Shorter Corvinus: my thirty second trip to wikipedia endows me with more knowledge and intuition of the place than someone with real, lifelong experience.
“Today, 92% of Jamaica’s residents are of Black African descent.”
Ignoring the fact that you’re taking Wikipedia as an authority, it is more complicated than that.
I am a Jamaican of Black African descent. I have significant East Indian ancestry (anywhere from 6-12%) and similar levels of white (probably Scottish) ancestry. My aunt was born with freckles and a slight reddish tint in her hair, but nobody would question that our family was “black African”.
We would be counted among the 92% despite our more diverse heritage. There are plenty of other blacks on the island with similar heritage who don’t fall into the African-East Indian or African-Chinese categories, despite their having significant admixture.
Jamaica is really nothing like South Africa. The African heritage here is predominantly West African (most commonly Nigerian). West African blacks =/= South African blacks. Also, the non-whites here are far more well integrated with the black majority than are white south africans with their black neighbors.
I’m aware that the Jamaica / South Africa comparison isn’t perfect, but I hope I made my point insofar as both are mostly black but are not entirely black.
The point is fine so long as one acknowledges that there are also many other nations that fit that standard (ex: most of the English speaking Caribbean).
the last video was fantastic. great article, i genuinely had no idea there was such a thing as non black jamaicans, had always been meaning to go there but thought a half indian/half irish guy might stick out like a sore thumb
Fuck no!! Contrast is king and you’re automatically pre-selected been foreign and resembling the elite. A major reason for my father exiling himself from Jamaica was his staunch belief (proved right) that there were elements in the shadows who pushed for independence knowing that the country could’nt compete with the big dogs on the world stage because it would put us at the mercy of the World Bank/IMF. This would also put total control of the country into the hands of a minority (Asian/Euro) elite.
Same ol same ol, black majority and non-black ruling elite.
It’s a world that enforces life long insecurities.
Bob Marley
that’s pretty interesting. Colonialism is not dead and gone, its just gone the route of NGOs such as the IMF and world bank.
Definitely worth checking out the shock doctrine by naomi klein.
contrary to what some conservatives would tell you, its not so much a denouncement of free market economics (which we like) but rather a middle finger to neocon policies (which contributes to every kind of blowback both foreign and domestic imaginable)
Just to go a bit off the main topic: the race card in this country is almost always blatantly abused. It’s funny to me how blacks in this country like to blame the white man for everything that happens to them when in fact, I have come across black people (am a black man) who hold down their own kind more than racist white people hold down blacks. Individual blacks will play the race card publicly, but behind closed doors, they don’t really care about their own people. The mindset of blacks is ‘me me me and how I can get mine’. In addition, there is a ton of tribalism w/in the black community…jamaicans will look out for jamaicans, nigerians will look out for nigerians, haitians will look out for haitians, so on and so forth…when it’s not about advancing the self (individual) it’s about advancing those who are my kind (tribalism).
you know what would be awesome? if you wrote an article about this topic and submitted it for publication here. instead of hijacking the thread with this, why not draft an article on the shortcomings of black people? you obviously feel very strongly about it, but it’s not really germaine to the topic at hand.
like the feminists, you seem to rely on feelings, anecdotes and vague resentments and you harness those emotions in the service of posting drive-bys in comment threads not really related to your fixation. i would encourage you to post an article of your own—but be forewarned that this is going to take actual research, critical thinking and writing skills.
go on and give it the old college try. it just might do you some good to let it all out.
I’ve also noticed that blacks will sometimes harshly criticize the more thuggish elements of their communities when they don’t think any whites are listening. However, the moment a white guy echoes the very same criticisms, they switch sides and play the race card. “Who are you to judge?” “Racist!” Etc.
The black community will never heal as long as this is the case. A behavioral standard must be consistent for it to have the desired effect. Every thug knows that the moment white people criticize him that other blacks will come to his defense. This tells the thug that when push comes to shove, he’ll be defended. It’s worse to judge thuggery too harshly than to actually be a thug.
Some of this response is understandable and results from blacks being unfairly railroaded for crimes, etc. However, understandable does NOT equal correct, effective, or appropriate. The “keeping it in the family” mentality is allowing many of black America’s worst elements to thrive at the expense of blacks who just want to make a decent living.
All people think along racial and ethnic lines. It’s normal.
But white people are uniquely admonished (by a predominantly Jewish-controlled Leftist media) to be ashamed of themselves for doing so.
Pretending to be offended by the Jamaican VW ad is just the effect of several generations of whites being psychologically conditioned to be self-abusive.
It’s more to do with the serious strain of white guilt and white-knighting in “progressive” circles. It makes for a very pathetic combination, sure enough…but the point is that whites do it to themselves out of idiotic ideological allegiances (Peggy McIntosh, Tim Wise, etc), it’s not “teh Jews”.
Actually, Tim Wise is in fact partially Jewish.
Just looked it up, apparently he has one Jewish grandfather and the rest of his family is mostly Scottish…not Jewish by any definition I’m aware of. My point, though, is that all over the left you’ll find feminists and “white privilege” ideologues who aren’t Jewish. I think anyone who’s seen those circles first-hand can confirm that.
Bored white liberals saw a chance to show off their good guy badges from the top of mount pious, and they jumped on it.
Nothing new here, and I doubt that it will go away anytime soon. It’s fuckin embarrassing really.
Totally agree with Dillon. Any “outrage” over such a commercial is totally fake. Think of your life: Do YOU know anybody who’s “offended” over this? No. Not one soul. It’s just the media imposing their worldview and causing people to think that that is the norm.
However, for the tiny people who really WERE “offended” at such an ad, I refer you to “Stuff White People Like #101: Being Offended”
It is also valuable to know that white people spend a significant portion of their time preparing for the moment when they will be offended. They read magazines, books, and watch documentaries all in hopes that one day they will encounter a person who will say something offensive. When this happens, they can leap into action with quotes, statistics, and historical examples. Once they have finished lecturing another white person about how it’s wrong to use the term “black” instead of “African-American,” they can sit back and relax in the knowledge that they have made a difference.
http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/05/28/101-being-offended/
Another great example is how some stations ban Speedy Gonzalez. Speedy is pretty popular among hispanics, and they’ll show him on stations with a hispanic audience. But if whites laugh at the same show for the same reasons, racist.
Don’t forget the best part of Being Offended:
One of the biggest problems with multiculturalism is that, invariably, in any and every country where whites co-exist with racial minorites, the whites end up being fleeced of tax dollars to support the minorities who can not or will not prosper on their own merits.
All differences in outcome are attributed to white racism, which leads to more confiscatory wealth redistribution. Any attempt for the white slave, er, taxpayer, to defend himself or protest, is met with cries of “racist”, meant to shut down any meaningful debate (in the exact same way “misogynist” is used by feminists).
The white residents of the country end up paying the bills for the seething minorities that use their leisure time to think up new methods of hate and violence to express to their white victims/patrons.
In short, whites lose in every one of these situations, and win in none of them.
Rejecting multiculturalism is about rejecting a well-planned, globally organized push for white genocide and demographic displacement. The rest of the world is green with envy, and wants to steal what white countries have built up over the past century. They cannot build it on their own, because they are destroyers, not creators.
If you don’t agree, please cite just ONE country in the world where the non-white residents pay the lion’s share of taxes to support the lazy whites who do not contribute as much to the system. I can cite you at least 100 countries where the whites are mercilessly taxed to pay for minority failure.
please cite the 100 countries
you go first anon troll. naming the one country shouldn’t take you but a few seconds. naming the 100 will take me a lot of work. wating….
Simply use a demographic chart to identify any 100 countries at random that have at least 30% caucasian citizens, and you will have your list of 100 countries where whites are taxed to pay for non-white failure.
The funny thing is that this happens even in countries where the non-whites are the majority in power and the whites are the hard-working immigrants.
troll? lol dude i post here every day. you made a ridiculous statement so i asked you to back it up
Qatar n uae come to mind payin foreign workers npt sure bout singapore maaysia though
@half caste:
Any idea about how many white people out of the total population, as a percentage in “Qatar, uae, singapore, malaysia”?
‘Cause they’re not the ones paying all the taxes, I’m sure.
Oh and also please cite me any instance, anywhere on earth, in which it is commonly accepted to call a non-white person a “racist” for expressing a negative opinion about white culture.
Athlone,
I would like to reference this thread in the RooshVForum:
http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-14309-page-3.html
Anyone can go read your feelings about race there.
Here are some direct quotes of yours from page 3:
“We’ve never been equal, and we are not now. That is not an option given current realities in this society. The choice you’re presenting doesn’t exist.
Your argument assumes that, were all such legislation (anti-discrimination, quotas, AA of all kinds, etc) eliminated, we would all truly be equal. That isn’t the case, and it is a conclusion that only someone fortunate enough not to deal with some of the realities these laws are meant to combat could say.”
And here is another quote of yours:
“Sure, but first I’d like you to tell me why your children should hold an unquestioned and often unearned societal advantage over minority children and why the latter should be stripped of all means (legal or otherwise) to address said inequality.”
In response to the assertion that hard work is rewarded, this is what you had to say:
“Irregardless of race in the USA?
I will believe that when I see it.”
Again, these are actual quotes of yours. Who needs to put down the race card?
If we truly are to live in a society without racial consciousness it is not possible when minorities demand preferential treatment under the law that guarantees outcome equality, not legal equality, and constantly bemoan “unearned society advantage” while advocating racial consciousness for themselves with groups like the NAACP and The National Council of La Raza. What do you mean when you say “it’s time for some people to put down the race card?” Are you willing to let go of racial consciousness? Or is that only for white people and their children? Are white people and their children supposed to have just enough racial consciousness to feel collective guilt for the past actions of some of their ancestors, but not enough racial consciousness to end preferential legislation and funding for minorities?
Take a look at president Obamas election results – you’ll see that white people in America voted with less racial consciousness than any other group – by a wide margin. If you truly want a post-racial America, then minority groups must also abandon their racial consciousness and privileges as well, otherwise the future is one of division and a reemerging racial consciousness amongst whites that will only lead to racial division.
If there were true full disclosure required, this author would have revealed that he is a mulatto, with a liberal white father and a black mother, living in one of the most anti-white nations on earth.
I would think those little facts would effect his objectivity just a wee bit, wouldn’t you?
“If there were true full disclosure required, this author would have revealed that he is a mulatto, with a liberal white father and a black mother, living in one of the most anti-white nations on earth.”
What the fuck?
My parents are both black, dude. I live in the United States.
my god teh stupid is strong with this one.
I think a more pertinent disclosure would be you revealing that you possess absolutely no capacity for rational thought. But then that was obvious enough, no?
Wasn’t a very classy comment to begin with, and I got the facts wrong. My sincere apologies.
Athlone writes article about how outraged liberals/progressives of every color need to put down the race card…
…whereupon durangotang writes a comment asking if Athlone thinks minorities should put down the race card.
@dragnet
Given his prior comments on the forum, yes I think it is appropriate.
I’ll begin by quoting my own article.
Now, let’s get to what you want to say:
I didn’t suggest that we build a society without racial consciousness. I suggested that we avoid playing the race card where it is unwarranted. In this case, given the unwillingness of the people directly portrayed in an advert to take offense to it and their own general respect for multiracialism, the race card is unwarranted.
Pointing out discrimination in the United States is not in and of itself unwarranted, depending on the case. I made it very clear in my post that racism is still a problem and should be pointed out when it appears. I am arguing here against the misapplication of the “racist” label, which in this case is used to claim a depiction of a certain culture/nationality (Jamaicans are not a “race”) as “racist”.
It is time for some people to avoid playing the race card in situations where it is not warranted. In this case, Jamaicans are not offended by this ad and, as if that were not enough, Jamaicans are not a race. Hence, the race card is unwarranted. We are talking about a nationalist and a culture, not a race.
If we continue to play the race card when it is unwarranted, then it will endanger one’s ability to raise awareness about more serious racial issues (such as those I spoke of in the thread you linked to), which I made explicitly clear in my post still exist.
Personally I think it’s less about protecting minorities from racism and more about the usual dogooder sorts and white knights imposing their sordid political narrative onto the said minorities and using them as a means to satisfy their 2cent social consciences and feel good about themselves.
They are also racists in the end, they think people of other ethnic backgrounds are incapable of having their own opinion on things and need the left to watch out for them. It’s just another ‘save the whale’ campaign for the do gooders.
Haha I love that last video.
“Ya can’t be puttin’ me name on de innernet girl what wrong wit’ ye?”
To me the whole issue of race in the manosphere boils down to this:
We are about being alpha males. That means that even though we may be born with disadvantages of one kind or another, we do not sit around bitching about them. We do not create a grievance industry out of our feelings of inferiority. We do not petition powerful men for change, like serfs.
No, we take the hand we were dealt, grab life by the nuts, and take what we want.
That is what being a MAN is about, no matter your color.
So when feminists sit around bitching about how unfair life is to women, it offends us. It is the same exact thing to hear minorities or liberals sitting around bitching about racism and fairness.
Everyone has been discriminated against by another group. It’s part of being human. The successful will keep being successful and the poor will keep being poor.
So, being against anti-white cultural marxism is not about disliking or hating non-whites. It’s about challenging you to man the fuck up and take responsibility for your own success or failure. It’s about being left alone to live and die by own efforts, and expecting other men to do the same. It’s about rejecting the idea that I should pay for a weaker or lazier man to have the same things I have.
Liberal ideology is anathema to alpha male psychology. Complaints and excuses and appeals to fairness belong in the land of the weak, and my opinion is that these sentiments have no place in the manosphere.
This particular article may not be closely related to what I’m saying here, but this author is definitely a cultural marxist. Just read the thread referenced by durangotang above and hear it in the author’s own words.
I like this
THIS comment I mostly agree with. However, although I disagree with some of Athlone’s points, and he’s too liberal for my taste, he is most decidedly capable of rational thought.
Althlone may hold some progressive views, but he’s willing and able to criticize his own side when he deems it appropriate. Sometimes he’s wrong, but he backs up his points well and doesn’t resort to ad hominem and lots of the other BS his side usually uses.
In my system, I would say he’s an intelligent member of the Benighted. Harvard’s filled his brain with some nonsense, but he’s a rational thinker who would no longer be a liberal if I had the chance to grab a few beers with him.
For anyone who’s interested, my leftie-classification system is here:
http://alphaisassumed.wordpress.com/2013/02/04/they-are-not-what-they-are/
I agree – I think Mr. McGinnis demonstrates a high level of intelligence and good writing skills. I doubt Roosh would let him post here otherwise. But yes, he is a very liberal voice in a manosphere that has largely rejected all forms of liberalism as weak, feminine, and wrong-headed.
I’m glad we agree on that. However, I woudn’t go so far as to say “very liberal”. The point of this article was to criticize playing the race card, and in my book, somebody who’s “very liberal” almost never does that. To them, anything to keep people feeling awkward about race is a good thing, even if they know it’s pure BS. He’s commited liberal “heresy” on several occasions, which is why I don’t categorize him the same way.
You say great stuff about leftism being feminine, and it is. I simply have a different take on how to reach the remaining manosphere liberals. If you’re in the manosphere, you’ve at least got a clue and probably reject feminism. This is a great starting point in that it can easily be pointed out that other aspects of leftism are incoherent and backwards for the same reasons feminism is.
I’m big on persuading when it’s possible. Most lefties are either elitist scum or leeches; the former must be crushed, the latter must be shamed. Athlone is neither of these–he’s one of those remaining few who deserve respect and can be persuaded.
You’re right Martel. Sometimes my fingers fly faster than my brain, and I am prone to hyperbole and exaggeration as well. Trying to be better about that.
But yeah, right on with your points.
For the record, since this is being discussed: I was a self-professed, card-carrying Republican for most of my youth. I was anti-affirmative action, anti-immigration, and held a host of views more clearly in line with your own. I was a frequent reader of Thomas Sowell, Shelby Steele and Walter Williams. Clarence Thomas was my idol.
This remained the case until I was about 18-19. I am currently 21. My shift came in college, but it did not come in the way you think it did (no “liberal indoctrination”). My school is significantly more conservative than you would think (I do not attend Harvard).
You can interpret this information however you like. I’ll just put it out there.
If there’s a summary somewhere of your views, please post it or link to them (or email me if you want to be discreet). I find it quite rare that somebody who’s familiar with the likes of Sowell would switch away from agreeing with him, so I’m curious as to how that happened.
Frankly, I’ve never met anyone who has disagreed with the general crux of what Sowell says who’s actually familiar with what he thinks. If somebody as rational as you has done so, I’d really like to know why.
I wasn’t nearly as active online back then so I can’t provide a link.
I can tell you that I don’t disagree with everything Sowell says. He still makes points I find quite accurate, and very much on the mark. What I am saying is that I’m simply not in as clear agreement with him on the whole as I once was.
I now hold viewpoints (you saw them in the linked thread thanks to durangotang, which summarizes much of my current stance) that soundly preclude me from being considered a social conservative, and would most certainly be opposed by Sowell. I did not hold these views 5 years ago.
I’m not altogether particularly liberal either (my very presence on this website should be evidence enough of that), but I’m no longer an American conservative. I resonate with them on many things, but I can’t be considered a part of that group.
What makes my mind go bugfuck is how
(A) the fundamental narrative of the ad is that the positivist Jamaican cultural character is preferable to the depressive us one, and
(B) the only person portrayed negatively is the short, stubby, overweight, MPBalding, insecure white male scold with his awkward body language and poor social skills.
By my technology-driven men’s liberation model, though, the latter makes perfect sense. The deeper narrative is that guys like that remain safe targets for such negative characterization because they’re in the sour spot between society’s essential needs and society’s willingness to recompense them for fulfilling such. That’s the critical reason why they get put down so consistently in our advertising and media; to keep them insecure enough that the rest of us can get away with paying them as little as possible for the vitally necessary work they do that keeps everything running.
Fortunately for us, our technology and industrialization is finally increasing to the point where we can start reaching the higher-hanging fruit men have been responsible for all along. That’s why the men’s liberation movement is starting to really blow up now; at last, we can finally afford it.
Aaaand we’ve come full circle. The anti-Semitism/Jew-controlled media carnard—that train is never late.
The only thing to come out of this thread is confirmation that nothing—NOTHING—about race can be discussed in the manosphere with any sort of detachment, maturity or rationality. Just butthurt guys spewing half-baked mental ejaculations stillborn of adolescent coping mechanisms they didn’t have the good sense to leave behind when they reached ostensible adulthood.
Props for trying though, Athlone.
You’ve contributed nothing.
Well he is doing his part to attack every person who dare be proud to be white or who questions the racism that whites are subjected to.
I posit the notion that somehow he is butthurt by white culture. Or perhaps a self-sodomizing white leftist who tears up at the idea that his race may actually have value.
No. Review my comment to Mr. Mitchell. No problem with Caucasian peoples being proud of their history/heritage—I just don’t think this thread is the place for that because this is a post about the particular culture & diversity of Jamaica. If you want to talk about how awesome white people are more generally, then do some research and write up a post for submission to the site—don’t hijack the thread and derail someone else’s hard work.
And “white culture” isn’t one homogeneous thing—there is no “white culture” properly speaking. Even in the US there are big culture differences between whites just depending on what state you are in.
And you don’t get to take credit for awesome shit other white people did before you were even born. Maybe if you had some of your own accomplishments in life, you wouldn’t feel the need to piggyback off of Churchill.
I posit that you are a loser and a moron.
The blogpost is about taking away the racism card, using Jamaica as an example. You need to reread the title and then understand the supporting argument to his title.
You can say you are not anti-white, but you sure seem to stomp on every comment that actually defends that point of view.
youtube.com/watch?v=YNsJBBESeUU
lolz
The really twisted thing is that the conservative/libertarian-leaning viewpoint about race is motivated by a true love for other people, and a genuine wish to see us all achieve something closer to equality one day.
We know that the only way to leave the bitter past behind is to go forward, and provide no exceptions under the law based on race or gender. Give the equalists what they falsely claimed to want. This means dismantling all forms of affirmative action and long term welfare, so that eventually the “victim classes” will begin to heal. Thomas Sowell gets this perfectly as a proud black man, and you should read his work.
The liberal viewpoint, on the other hand, is motivated by a deep-seated superiority and messiah complex, always seeking to maintain the injustices and exploit profit from the indignation and misery.
Up is down, black is white, Orwell was right.
@Bogart Well said.
I agree with Bogart, too. However, I’ll disagree with the assumption that very many “liberals” are actually “outraged” about things like this. It’s usually just the media claiming they’re outraged, then others (like me) get outraged that they’re (supposedly) outraged, and then we all fight with each other.
And then the Zionist overlords of the media win with their divide and conquer strategy.
But seriously, outside of gullible dupes at colleges, do you know ANYBODY who says they’re offended by such a commercial, or whatever the latest P.C. Moral Outrage of the Day is? Anybody in the real world? I’m sure you don’t. Neither do I.
This is partially why I think we should move away from “African American”, because a lot of black people come to America from Indonesia, Jamaica, and plenty of other non-African countries, while a lot of African expats are white.
More hilarious comedies centered around race, with nationality subplots are the best antidote for racial demagogues. Jim Goad, George Carlin, and old National Lampoons been saying that for four decades now.
Another insightful article from Athlone.
To those complaining about anti-white racism, know this:
Any racial group can be racist but, because whites worldwide have held almost undisputed political and militar power for a few centuries, when whites go racist thousands or millions of people can (and often do) die. They don’t just get offended or uncomfortable; they die; they are exterminated. Irretrieveably.
Today, there are many who would like to bomb Persia (Iran) back into the stone age. When Persia was undisputed king of humankind, they got to unleash their Persian supremacy on much of Europe. And so did the Greeks when they climbed to the top. And the Romans, and the Spanish, and Britannia, and Nippon. It’s what humans do when they’re on top because they forget that supremacy doesn’t last forever.
Perhaps, those who see only anti-white racism will want to turn their effort toward the ascendant Chinese. Let’s pray that, when China climbs on top of the heap, she and her people do not abuse their temporary supremacy as much as others have before them.
I say this all from the perspective of a conservative black man who has experienced the highs and lows and highs of life. What goes around…
The results of certain groups holding view will vary according to how much power they have at the time, granted. However, if the views are the same, if the views are wrong, they’re wrong whether you have power or not.
If your a powerless racist, at the time you may do no harm. But, things go up and down, and the “oppressed” racist may one day have power. If he remains a racist, he will then act out of a sense of vengefulness and the cycle will repeat.
It’s therefore important to combat biologically collectivist views no matter who holds them.
Agreed!
Which ‘Whites’ would those be Mark? My ancestors for starters didn’t kill thousands, they stuck to pirating, pimping, farming and fighting for the British colonial rulers during later years. I hope you are not being stupid and implying that I am guilty because of what the ancestors of today’s Germans and British did during the past centuries simply because I’m fair skinned.
Should we say that ‘millions die if them “blackies’ decide to go racist ‘ when discussing things like the Tutsi massacre or any other genocide that took place in Africa while the proverbial White man allegedly ruled supreme? Think about how retarded that sounds and compare it with what you wrote
Tutsi massacre…didnt thr hutu only turn on them when the belgians use them to abuse the hutu(since they saw the tutsi as more european like with their fine features..terefore more speacial in ther eyes)….before european arrival the 2 tribes left esch other alone .sincr thy haf their oen land
Oh, and it will be quite some time before the Chinese achieve the global supremacy Uncle Sam enjoys today. It is becoming increasingly dubious as to whether they’ll reach that state in the first place. Don’t get your knickers in a twist just yet.
Excellent point, and one that is far too often overlooked. Many can conquer, but the greatest rulers are always the ones who find a way around provincial prejudices for the common good.
Good point about whoever is in power at the time abusing all the others just because they can.
However, this is why I get so confused at the thought process of blacks and assorted anti-whites in the USA.
Do they not understand that, as Global Rulers, whites have committed their share of atrocities, but they are also the only race to ever really learn from their mistakes? The white people of today are some of the most generous, kind, soft-hearted, and self-sacrificing when it comes to their relationship with oppressed minorities. If that were not true, whites would not have erected this massive affirmative action and welfare state to coddle blacks from cradle to grave. Whites spend trillions in an attempt to make up for past grievances and set things right. The even vote solidly against their own best interests, in order to make life easier for minorities.
So tell me, what other group in history has demonstrated such behavior?
Did the Spanish, the Greeks, the Chinese or any other former superpower even make things up to their former victims like this? I think not.
That’s why it’s puzzling that all this hatred is still directed at whites, and all these constant accusations of racism never go away. It’s as if we have been TOO soft, TOO nice, and as a result the minorities sense weakness and want to move in for the kill. They have been so spoiled by white generosity that they are malcontents, and nothing we ever do will be enough for them.
It will be a wonderful experience if we ever get to see the Chinese or the Russians or anyone else take power again. Then the blacks and mexicans in this country will be shut up FOREVER, as they see what TRUE racism and ruthlessness really looks like.
Can you picture the Chinese giving a flying fuck about Al Sharpton’s grievance industry or about blacks whining that they are forced to live in poverty? It’s a laughable notion, isn’t it? Bullet in the fucking head is what you get from them, friend.
Maybe y’all ought to start appreciating how whites have handled their awesome power, just a little more, eh?
Might I also point out that millions of whites declared war on their own countrymen, and slaughtered millions of other whites, in order to dismantle the slavery system that they deemed morally wrong. How does that not register with blacks at all? It’s as if the Civil War never happened, as if whites never put their own families on the line to save black assess.
It really pisses you off if you think about it long enough, and when you consider the “thanks” we’ve gotten from the black community.
I think your frustration is coming from a mistaken view of the civil war as a moral crusade. Lincoln was by no means an avid abolitionist or a progressive, and he frankly wasn’t as pro-black as many assume him to have been. Lincoln expressed openly views of white supremacy and the inferiority of blacks. Many of those who fought for the Union did the same-they took up arms out of a desire to maintain the Union, not necessarily out of a love and concern for the well-being of blacks. Emancipation was a result of their service, not necessarily a cause of it.
This is why racial inequalities persisted after the war and it is also why blacks bothered with the later Civil Rights movement in the first place.
Evil imperialist Britian also lost countless sailors patrolling the African coast trying to end the slave trade. This gained them nothing.
Also, when the British empire banned slavery in modern-day Pakistan, the poor victims of their oppression rioted in response.
Non-whites are more aware of this than I think you give them credit for, and frankly the level to which non-whites wish harm upon whites is exaggerated somewhat within white nationalist/awareness circles.
I know that within my own family we have engaged in plenty of recognition of white wrongs in private conversation. At the same time, I can also remember my grandfather commenting from an early age about the accomplishments Europeans have made, and the importance of appreciating those things and tempering one’s anger about the injustices accordingly. He suggested blending in some learning and emulation as the answer to promoting equality as opposed to expressing anger and frustration alone.
Granted, my grandfather (an Oxford man) and most of the rest of my family have had more contact with whites than many other non-whites. Perhaps that influences our perspective and understanding. Regardless, I note this as evidence that many non-whites, while very aware of past injustices and still quite eager to point them out, do not really maintain a passionate, genocidal hatred for white people.
I agree that there are plenty of non-whites who are like your grandfather, but there are also plenty who aren’t.
Western Civ practiced slavery, which was evil, but so has just about every other culture in man’s history. The West is the first civilization to have massive abolition movements among non-slaves (slaves themselves have always been pissed). Watching the likes of MSNBC or in the books of Cornell West you don’t hear that a whole lot.
Furthermore, I believe what I believe because the evidence indicates to me that certain policies benefit ALL people. I DO care about everyone in America, but I disagree with the Left on how to solve problems like poverty. Repeatedly, instead of being fought on the grounds of disagreement over policy, I’m told I’m racist and just want to help the greedy rich.
I’m able to handle the name-calling, but a lot of people aren’t as patient as I am and are getting really really sick of it. I oppose all forms of white nationalism, staunchly, but I’m frequently grouped in with them because I oppose income redistribution and the like. Pretty soon, nobody’s going to care if you call them racist, and that will be a very ugly day indeed (esp for minorities).
God bless your grandfather and all those like him. They need to speak up.
Western Europe gets extra shame for its practice of slavery because it practiced the most virulent form of the trade we’ve seen. While all forms of slavery were brutal, chattel slavery was unique in its level of dehumanization, and its tie with western developments of scientific racism (which enforced the chattel aspect and prevent the more assimilative routes of escape slaves maintained in other slave trades, like the well-known and quite severe Arab variant) pretty much affirmed this. The numbers moved were greater as well.
Long story short, the seemingly disproportionate focus on the Atlantic slave trade is warranted, as that trade was unique.
Regarding the rest of your paragraph here, I’d agree that Europeans have done significantly more than others to promote abolition and other forms of progressivism in the wake of their atrocities. Some would respond and say that this is countered by the fact that these atrocities may very well have been greater than any others (ex: the severity of the Atlantic slave trade I mentioned above, which is unmatched in history).
While that point isn’t totally without merit, I would still say that those on the left could do more to recognize European efforts to deal with its past, and perhaps avoid jumping down throats as they work to continue making these efforts. Many of these efforts can be annoying and/or offensive, and some minorities jump down their throats in response. I feel a more measured, conciliatory effort is warranted in these cases in order to allow for a more open dialogue about race. That attempts are being made to recognize past faults is a good start and should be recognized as such.
You’re right about the potential downfall of playing the race card too often, which is why I wrote this article. It is in minorities’ best interest to avoid playing the card when it isn’t necessary, and to replace it with open dialogue instead.
The Middle Passage, for example, was beyond inhumane and unjustifiable by any standard.
Getting castrated and then marched across the Sahara so you could serve as guard in some sheik’s harem was decidedly worse.
Sorry, but the Western slave trade being somehow worse than slavery in other places and times is simply factually incorrect.
In the West it was more connected with racism, but is it in some way more moral if you enslave people of your own race?
You would have a stronger argument if the arab slave trade dealt more heavily in eunuchs. As things stand, it is unlikely that anything approaching a majority of those taken in the arab slave trade were castrated. Of the 28 million slaves taken from Africa over 13 centuries of that trade, only a small minority became eunuchs, much less made it into a Sheikh’s harem.
A few points here.
1. When I refer to the western slave trade, I refer specifically to the trans-atlantic example. I am not furthering a racialized argument by merely juxtaposing European slavery with others propagated by non-whites. I am claiming that the trans-atlantic trade was more severe than not only the Arab slave trade, but the Roman and Greek examples as well, among others. It was far more virulent than other forms seen in Europe as well.
The following points detail why I make this claim (before I do, it must be noted that all forms of slavery are horrific and one can easily provide examples of this each form. Here, I seek only to explain why the Trans-Atlantic trade stands out and gets special attention):
2. The Trans-Atlantic trade was much broader. The Arab Slave Trade, arguably the second largest of them all, took 13 centuries to move 28 million slaves. The Atlantic trade moved over 12 million in less than 3 centuries. In terms of the number of people impacted, there can be no debating the lead that the Trans-Atlantic trade has.
3. The lack of assimilation provided by the trans-atlantic trade removed avenues of integration and escape for slaves available in many other instances of slavery. It was not uncommon for children of slaves within Africa to grow up and become kings or reach other lofty positions within their societies. An American slave couldn’t hope to do this.
4. You mentioned the connection with racism, which is my final point and the reason behind my previous one. This further limited the opportunities for slaves to blend into their societies, both during and after slavery. The racial dogma that grew with the Trans-Atlantic trade was unique and particularly virulent, another reason why it receives special attention.
All forms of slavery were severe. The Trans-Atlantic trade simply stood out.
exactly everyone in jamaica is a descendent of an immigrant…well except the amerindian, they native
The original inhabitants were the Arawak Indians and they were decimated which led to my ancestors been brought in as slaves from Africa. Can’t speak for all my countrymen but as a Jamaican i’ll tell you, we could give two shits about this because we’re busy surviving in the IMF wasteland. You “Foreigners” have life too easy. The only feminists in Jamaica are are the Anglo women who fly down to be serviced by the “RENT-A-DREADS”.
Whts am imf?
Um technically arent u a forigner in jamacia as well
curiuos r there any arawaks left?
Technically we were all originally Eastern African or Arabian if we come to that. Doesn’t mean anything and it doesn’t justify irrational immigration policies.
Athlone, you probably have some Irish in you. There’s a lot of guys from Ireland at my work and one of them told me that Oliver Cromwell imported the Irish to Jamaica as slaves in massive numbers so they became the dominant non-African ethnic group there before they started mixing.
Wikipedia backs him up (see the article “Irish people in Jamaica”).
You can even hear the heavy Irish influence in the Jamaican accent.
Very good article, and an important dissection of the reflexive left-wing nonsense that’s become all-too-common these days. The biggest take-away from this is that these PC Police are overwhelmingly white and yet they’ve apparently declared themselves the vanguard of non-white dignity, even when non-whites aren’t at all bothered by the supposed insult to their honor. It’s the product of immeasurable arrogance and naivete, and it brings a whole new meaning to the term white-knighting.
The worst part is that it’s not going away anytime soon…academia is positively inundated with this sort of garbage and if anything it’s gotten worse over the last 10 years. Until that changes there will always be a peanut gallery of sorts ready to lob pre-formulated outrage from their ivory tower at anything they decide they should take offense at on behalf of some group they have absolutely nothing to do with.
Solid post, Mr. McGinnis. Some people are just obsessed with race. They need to chill out. They’re tearing the country apart.
-mista luvah luvah.
I just watched the commercial, and I think it’s flattering to Jamaicans. It depicts white people as being uptight and unhappy, and needing to cultivate more the laid back attitude of Jamaicans in order to be happier.
bill clinton obama and john kerry are all of jewish blood looks like the bush’s are too. so was eisenhower, johnson, franklin roosevelt and lincoln. jews have pretty much owned america since the beginning, they financed george washington and the revolution, thats why you see the star of david on the american dollar bill, a george washington thank you to his masters.
yeah?! but….but…but…..but….ANT-SEMITISM. Yeah, that’s it! ANTI-SEMITISM.
My buzzword neutralizes your facty stuff!
ABC (1977): THE “ROOTS” OF BLACK RAGE & WHITE GUILT! ………
http://tomatobubble.com/id201.html
But I’m part of a Jamaican bobsled team!
What a dumb post.
This marks the decline of this blog. And for roosh to retweet this crap is disappointing.
Racial diversity is a fact.
Also, enjoying being around people of your own race is a fact.
Favouring your own race is fact.
These things are built on biological truths. This “Itsh Tiym for sum ppl to shtop beeing nasty about dem blacks” crap is as childish as feminism.
Fucking children.
Not even what I said.
This article is not a complaint about anti-black racism or people being “nasty about dem blacks”. Read it again.
Muddy muddy waters. Nothing gets acknowledged, no one ever learns anything, and everyone goes home with world view unchanged and their fragile egos unbruised.
I love it too how blacks are defending their bwoi Chris Dorner.
No matter that he murdered.
Relevant: “Race Differences in IQs”
http://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/04/26/9530.aspx
It’s not that a lot you commenting here don’t understand–you can’t understand. It’s why I rarely argue with people like this.
How on Earth is that relevant to the article?
Troll better, bro.
“You cannot knock down boundaries by erecting artificial ones.”
You’re an ignorant leftist…
…but the general gist of this article is good though. I take back what I wrote above. I thought this was another piece of black propaganda (like quite a few on this site written, mainly, surprisingly, by blacks.)
The distinction between culture and race is important. As is culturalism vs racism. You can’t be one without the other these days.
Sure I am.
I’m the only black author here.
“I take back what I wrote above” (to an extent.)
This was a great article. Being far from the USA I had no idea about the concocted controversy, but I like the analysis. I am annoyed to see the comments immediately filled with neo-nazi types. Instantly ruined a potentially interesting discussion.
ey man
there ain’t no white boys in dem club pics bro
No, but they’re in several of the videos.
Notice sexual spoils go to blacks in all cultural promotions. But racism is evil, people.
Your victim mentality is producing false conclusions.
for real though had a black chick from jamaica
it is kind of fun to talk jamaican
she called me a bumbacladt or somethin lol i think its bad
she still called me for 6 months after breaking up and still does
she fucked with me cause i be talking like her and shit lolzzzzzzzz
TheAwakeOne09
February 14, 2013 at 11:11 am
Excellent post man. I wasn’t aware of the whole commercial controversy until now, and honestly I really enjoyed the commercial and the response video as well. It’s frustrating how so many people will be butthurt over such trivial shit like this. I love it, I love the celebration of diversity and cultures and VW did that with their commercial. Smh definitely need to get the get the hell out of this ultra-PC nation.
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come live in my neighborhood all kinds of diversity to celebrate and a shooting within three blocks about every week
http://www.youtube.com/user/madwhitejamaican
And as a Jamaican with a half-Cuban/half-Chinese grandfather and a half-Irish/half-black grandmother, i thought the commercial was hilarious. So did the rest of my relatives.
I don’t watch commercials. Stupid. Reminds me of the Liberalism article I just commented on. Any self respecting, up and coming King will realize the value of racial awareness, for it leads to all things good. If you are not ready to better your folk, how can you better yourself? This is thinking and living big, beyond the rat race. However, this website would much rather discuss things like Jordan’s cigar fetish and earring. Why is that?
Race =/= “folk”
seems like common knowledge to us who have a clear world view instead of those who come to know Jamaica only as a tourist destination