For years Dalrock has been one of my favorite writers. Though I rarely miss an article, I haven’t looked at the comments section in eons because nowhere else in the manosphere is there a greater chasm between my respect for an author and my utter disdain for his readership.
I had a very fortunate encounter with a young virgin Christian girl the other day, and this is the feedback I received after sending out (tasteful) photos of the encounter and sharing the story.
Said Nate: “Dalrock’s readers would fucking kill you if they saw this.”
Said Bronan: “She’s like a Dalrock reader’s wet dream. Bang of the century man.”
Said [redacted]: “Don’t send this to Dalrock. His readers would burn you at the stake lulzoloz.”
A few weeks later, Dalrock dropped this post about virginity, and as usual, he was dead-on in his assessment from a Christian perspective. Having recently found repeat success in this area, I decided to check out the comments section for the first time in ages and offer a few just the tips. Heh.
But before I could deliver my worldly wisdom, a pontificating little feller who goes by the name of “Frank” caught my attention. Writes the proud 36 year old virgin about marrying a non-virgin girl:
Yes, that’s my dream marriage, to perpetually and subconsciously be compared to former “lovers.”
Yeah, ok. Everybody knows that virgins make better wives. I get where he’s coming from. But then in another comment, Frank got a little preachy:
How about it’s best to save sex for marriage because to do anything otherwise is to disobey God’s word?
You may be tempted to argue with a guy like this – I know I sure was – but there’s really no point in even trying. It’s actually easier and more productive to argue with a feminist than a Christian, because there ain’t no hamster like a Holy Ghost hamster cuz a Holy Ghost hamster don’t stop.
Now you’d think that if premarital sex was that big of a deal, God would have put it in the Big Ten. But alas, as if some great Hebrew Twitter character limit had been imposed on Mt Sinai, it seems Moses had to condense the commandments down to ten, and premarital sex didn’t make the cut.
But that doesn’t matter. The bottom line is that guys like Frank and I would never see eye to eye on anything even though we were both arguing from the same bible. All that would happen if we engaged in biblical debate is that we’d end up slinging Gospoo at each other forever while some brown kid in Uzcrapistan died and went to hell after drinking the parasitic water we neglected to baptize him in.
God moves in mysterious ways.
You can’t win when you argue with Christians, so for the remainder of this article let’s forgo biblical debate and just use Frank’s comments as a shining example of why Christian men like him in no way deserve the virgin church girl they desire. The comments section from the Dalrock article linked above sets the stage perfectly.
We open with a whiney comment from a virgin chick named alcestiseshtemoa:
The first post is News Flash: You Probably Won’t Marry a Virgin. This is going to get me slapped, or disdained, but why? Why? Why?
Frank embarrasses himself with a stunning display of White Knightery:
Not me. My heart hearts your virginity. Don’t ever let anyone treat you like something less of a human being because of it.
Then the virgin chick, overcome by the stench of beta, slaps him down:
Thank you Frank but don’t repeat the compliment. I don’t need a beta orbiter.
Frank promptly acknowledges his beta orbiter status through an act of compliance with a side of butthurt:
Duly noted. *puts alcestiseshtemoa on ignore*
I decided to be rude. Not my best work, but I was distracted by Family Guy reruns on TBS, so cut me some slack:
Oh, and Frank, you’re a fag dude. “I don’t need a beta orbiter.” Hahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahaha. Called out by a chick in your own corner of the web. Priceless.
In response, Frank gets overly theatrical and snarky in a way that’s only manly when I do it:
Whatever I said to offend you, I’m sorry and I promise I’ll never do it again *he says in his best beta/delta/gamma/omega voice* Hugsies? *holds out arms*
I decided to point out the obvious:
If the body of Christ has a vagina, it’s you, bub.
Then the virgin girl made another appearance – but this time in defense of Frank. It was clear to her that Frank couldn’t handle his own battles, so she lowered her wings like an old mother hen does when her biddies are in danger and offered him shelter:
Edward Thatch, that was disrespectful of Frank. He’s not a fag (virgin men are not fags). Just leave him alone.
Now here comes the lulz. Frank, after scurrying under mother hen’s wings of protection, supplicated again. Then in a failed attempt to balance out his betaness, he followed it up with a poorly delivered alpha retort that he probably lifted from ROK or le Chateau. As his comment fell flat, Jesus wept:
Thanks for the defense, dear sister. Now shut up and go get me my sandwich. Don’t forget the pickles either! You ALWAYS forget the pickles.
Frank’s all-too-common toxic blend of Christian beta and horribly delivered alpha try-hard nonsense is the kind of thing that awakens the virgin church girl’s inner Nero. Shit like this is why the Romans built coliseums and bred lions. Then again, guys like Frank leave the door wide open for men like me to swoop in and capitalize on the situation after they’ve rendered every virgin vagina within a three pew radius drier than a popcorn fart.
How did I approach my latest virgin girl? I left the cocky and aloof game in the bar where it belongs and conducted myself like a gentleman who’s not ashamed of his dick. I took both of her hands, looked her straight in the eye and said:
“I’m going to kiss you now.”
She responded “Why do I have the feeling that I’m going to be kissed even if I say no.”
This is where the Christian beta would second-guess himself and try to convince her that he’s not the kind of guy who would ever in a million years force a kiss on her.
Amateurs.
I smiled, pulled her in close and planted a big one on her.
In the church foyer.
During a missions conference.
She rewarded my masculine confidence two nights later by giving me the virginity she had been saving for her future husband. But I can’t take all the credit, because there was a spread working in my favor. Her actions were not only to reward my masculinity, but also to punish the bipolar beta behavior of the “good Christian men” like Frank who had been orbiting her like little fairies since she was 14 years old.
These guys are sweet, but they’re too sweet. I want to be the girl in the relationship. But then their sweet goes away and they say really mean and hurtful things thinking it’s funny I guess, and then they go back to acting like a girl again. I can’t figure these guys out – I’m like, ‘can’t they just be a man for one minute?’
If you’re a red pill Christian man who isn’t all hung up on premarital sex, and you realize cocky is only intriguing to a woman when she knows there’s a cock at the end of it, then more power to you. Game on. But if you’re some 30+ year old Christian virgin whining about not being able to do what I did with the kind of girl who allegedly doesn’t exist anymore, here is a little advice for you:
Stop trying to be some Christian/player hybrid. You suck at both.
What do you think this is? This is the big leagues, man. We’re not dealing with some church virgin who is only a virgin because she’s ugly or not old enough to have consensual sex. We’re not talking about your typical church slut reclaimed “born-again virgin.” This is the crème de la crème; the seminary graduate who plays four different instruments; the young woman who somehow manages to be attractive in conservative apparel; the girl who loves and respects her mom and dad, wouldn’t say shit if she had a mouth full of it, never misses a Sunday service, is openly submissive, leans conservative, and wants nothing more than to be a dedicated wife and a good mother someday.
You better get your act together man, or you’re going to miss out. I swear that outside of cults and a few backwater farms, there can’t be more than 100 girls of this quality left in America who aren’t unfortunate looking, fat or acne-ridden social retards.
Would you like to know how you could have successfully cockblocked me and won the virgin girl? Well, here you go, pal. This advice is absolutely free since I wouldn’t feel right about charging you for something you’ll probably never use.
When men like me come around to poach your virgins…
I. Refrain from boasting about your Godliness in an attempt to make me look like a heathen.
Every time you say something boastful, I’ll look at her and wink while she grins from ear to ear at your expense. This will create a form of relationship between us which automatically excludes you.
II. Resist the urge to trash me.
Her natural reaction will be to defend me, and when I handle your criticisms with grace, tact, and a wee bit of dismissiveness, she’ll come to respect my judgment and follow my lead. Say what you will about me, but when my response is “Frank said that? Which one is Frank again? Nope, can’t place him.” you’re dead in the water. In one short statement, I will have labeled you in her mind as a man who feels threatened by someone who doesn’t even know he exists.
III. Don’t be a Frank-like dickweed Alpha/Beta/Christian/PUA/virgin hybrid mongrel with shit game.
While you’re White Knighting over her virginity, I’ll be the man who kisses her lips instead of her ass. While you’re negging her with stupid comments about sandwiches and pickles, I’ll be the man who realizes that a base-level of masculinity is all it takes to garner and keep her attention.
IV. Stop wondering why she wants a guy like me, and realize that she actually doesn’t.
She’d much rather have a Godly, non-whiney, less bitchy version of you. But since you can’t deliver, I’m her only option. What’s a virgin who wants to hold out til marriage going to do if there are no marriageable Christian men around and her clock starts ticking?
Me. The guy who only shows up to church once in a blue moon. The guy who does whatever the hell he wants. The guy who can quote more scripture off the cuff from memory while drunk than her pastor can with two hours of prep time. I’m the Christian bad boy extraordinaire; the irreverent backslidden black sheep with a heart of gold who treats her like a lady, loves his mother, and visits little old church ladies in the hospital.
As a woman with multiple years of proven strength of character to her credit, she could easily resist my charms. Yet she chooses not to resist because the alternative is you.
V. Don’t warn her about my past; it’ll just set me up to pass her shit tests like a champ.
She’ll expect me to deny my past or get defensive when she brings it up. You’ll be salivating in the shadows waiting for her to levy the critical blow that will thwart my attempt to gain access to her. But unfortunately for you, it’ll go down like this (verbatim):
“So I hear you’re some kind of a player man. Are you?”
“Thou sayest it.”
Oh yeah. I can kick it up a Christian bad boy notch by quoting Jesus vs. Pontius Pilate. She’s sharp as a tack, so she’ll get the reference and instantly appreciate the symbolism. Then she’ll laugh at me for comparing myself to Jesus, and I’ll go off on some comedy routine about how I’m pretty sure one of my ancestors was Jesus’ bodyguard – but he had to be let go because he clearly wasn’t very good at his job.
VI. Remember that a virgin is far more valuable than a guy who hasn’t gotten laid yet.
The word virgin literally means “maiden.” A man can be abstinent, but he cannot be a virgin because virginity entails the safeguarding of a womb to ensure paternity. Traditionally, it’s important for a woman to be a virgin, and it’s important for a man to marry a virgin. Women show value by keeping their virginity, men show value by taking it. Whether this happens before or after marriage for a Christian man is a personal choice or biblical mandate depending on his interpretation of scripture, but it does very little to build his value in the eyes of a woman. In fact, if a Christian male’s abstinence builds any value in a woman’s mind at all, it has more to do with his ability to stay true to his principles than his actual lack of sex.
Virginity is her honor, and her gift to a man in exchange for his protection and leadership. What many beta Christian guys like Frank will never understand is that they don’t deserve a virgin because they simply haven’t fulfilled their end of the bargain. Their lonely dick is not an acceptable substitute for the Alpha qualities she seeks.
“I know what we did last night was a sin, and I know I’ll regret it. But just so you know; I may regret the sin, but I’ll never regret you.”
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I’m all for beating Christians at their own game, and for most of this post you did a solid job of it, but you did make one error:
Exodus 20:14 is usually translated as some variant of “Thou shalt not commit adultery,” but it’s more accurate to translate it as “Thou shalt not have sexual relations outside of marriage.” Nevertheless, this is otherwise an excellent post.
…which usually translates in practice to: “Thou commoners shalt restrain thy loins and limit thyself to one piece of ass, whilst I, who am in charge, shalt have my fill of sweet pussy. So sayest Sky-god.”
Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion. (NIV, 1 Corinthians 7:8-9)
And if a man entice a virgin that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely pay a dowry for her to be his wife. If her father utterly refuse to give her unto him, he shall pay money according to the dowry of virgins. [Exodus 22:16-17. Emphasis Added]
People today burn with passion rather than marry (as a consequence: AIDs, Gonhdorrea, Syphllis).
Then they burn for real 😀
Seems you outsmarted God with those commandments, bro. So it’s probably also cool to maim people you don’t like as long as you don’t kill them, cause that didn’t make the cut for those commandments either… You’re a great man for tricking all those hot virgins into sleeping with you, bro. I’m sure God will see and reward you for your alphatude. You’re going to have a much better marriage and be a better father than one of those loser guys that tries to follow all those other lesser commandments.
Are these Christian dudes actually following any Biblical example? Seems like willful misunderstanding
the jokes on you; self-restrained weenie-men will always play nursemaid to the bastard children of heavy hitters. The irony is that women prefer it that way. Better to have a strong bastard by an Alpha than to spawn another beta…beta men will provide either way.
Um,thanks, KD. I got kids (my wife and I waited for marriage-and yes I’m sure they’re mine). Actually, refusing to take non-virgins seriously and constantly negging them doesn’t necessarily make you a weenie-man in their eyes. Who wants to marry damaged goods? So-called “heavy hitters” are likely to have a lot of their spawn aborted, but they wouldn’t care about stuff like that. I’m sure jerky dark triad dudez have the happiest, most fulfilling lives. Surely, that’s the true message of game. =)
If you imply that marrying someone who isn’t a virgin is marrying damaged goods then once you have sex with her even when married are you damaging the goods?
You’re dense as fuck. If YOU are the one damaging the goods, how the fuck is that a problem?
Pfft. sounds like someone’s compensating…
In the end, beta and alpha and that entire paradigm is irrelevant for the Christian. We should join with the rest of the manosphere and RoK in cultivating our masculinity and manly spirit, fighting against woman-worshipping white knights, and seeking to destroy feminism but true christian men (i.e. not Thatch) draw a line at this kind of game- we obey God’s commandments, and God’s commandments include no sex before marriage.
Enjoy the STIs.
Sluts have bad genes and produce white equivalents of groid children. It doesn’t matter if dad is alpha. Look at Justin Trudeau. Sluts HAVE BAD GENES.
This was excellent. The only true “relationship” I ever enjoyed was with a Christian virgin girl. I remember wondering at the time why a person with such deeply-held convictions would lose it to a guy that who she perceive as not recognizing the intrinsic value of a virgin girl (at least, compared to chaste or at-best undersexed Christian guys who would wax philosophical about what a beautiful sacred treasure a girl’s virginity is).
Multiple times, she answered this question for me without even realizing it. I remember us both using her computer, checking out her facebook. A male mutual friend had just posted a profoundly beta, long-winded status about finding a good girl who was worthy of “taking his” virginity. Upon reading this I admit I had a good laugh (and felt guilty, since he was a good friend). My girlfriend scolded me for this, informing me that he was being a good Christian, and that she had a lot of respect for him preserving his virginity. I asked her if she would ever date him, just for fun.
“Oh gosh no. He doesn’t seem like that much of a man.”
And she’s a good girl.
You cannot lead from the bottom of the pedestal. Christian men need to realize that. And God has put us as leaders As much as you can respect the “bag of cats” that is woman, you can respect them, but don’t make them out to be more than the “weaker sex.”
so… did you enter her?
Curious of her stance. Many “good girls” give it up. Curious if you, as a Christian too, scored with her…
Daniel,
Did you get to sleep with her?
I ask because though she seemed conflicted about premarital sex, many times, good Christian girls will give it up to guys they’re attracted to. Clearly, she was attracted to you.
When you went in, could you tell she was a virgin by her tight Christian pussy?
She make you wear a condom when you burst her holy hymen?
I ask all this because it interests me how good Christian girls will sleep with the wrong kind of men.
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LMAOOOOO
I remember trolling one of the dudes who ran University Of Man a while back. He got mad that I pointed out the Jesus hamster and started editing/deleting my posts. I tell ya, Christians are even worse than feminists when it comes to logical arguments.
I had a date with a churchy last week from a daytime approach, instead of going out to bars etc her social life was a cycle between various other church friends houses where they’d watch Disney movies. A lot of her friends had guys names, I doubt any of them ever make a move. I find them a waste of time and not worth chasing after.
a churchy you mean a slutty. A churchy wouldnt give you the time of day.
Just wanted to stand up for Frank. I like the guy, I think he’s strong, masculine, and a worthy leader.
But you’d never fuck him lollolollzlozlolozoolzolozlzz
…and I’m sure when you spread your legs for one of “us”, Frank will be right there to make sure both you and mini-alpha you are taken carer of.
I know, I like Frank too. And yet, Carson D is right, which makes me kind of sad.
Funny how even self proclaimed Christians call out Frank and say nothing about Alcest when in fact Frank did nothing un-Christian, he simply agreed with Alcest’s statement in a rather cringeworthy way. She on the other hand responded by insulting and shunning him, both quite un-Christian. Even Sis above said she’s standing up for him, implying that he did make a mistake in this case. A mistake by what measure though? By a woman’s own gut sense of what makes a man attractive.
“Insulting and shunning” is what women should do to men who act like women. Alcest’s behavior was perfectly Christian.
Again, you are duped into the feminist’s understanding of good and bad. Good (gentle, soft, accommodating, submissive, feminine) vs. Bad (tough, hard, insistent, dominant, masculine). If you want to “judge … [and] be judged” over what constitutes the properly Christian, take the first baby step and stop confusing it with feminism.
Matt
Frank’s self-righteousness needs a stern rebuke and then firm but kind correction. Insulting and shunning him won’t make him change his ways at all, he’ll just dig his heels in further to the detriment of his own faith.
No party is acting in a righteous manner here. Their behaviour is inexcusable and they are consumed with their own pride. Each one just shows it in different forms: Thatch, his arrogance; Alcest in her lack of self discipline and willingness to be seduced and Frank in his holier than thou attitude. A sad business all around.
“”Insulting and shunning” is what women should do to men who act like women.”
No Mathew you cocksucking omega women should do NONE of these things. Women need to realize they are MERELY women and learn to keep their mouths shut and the stove running. If you cant see this then you are actin more like a woman then any beta
It’s truly sad, IMattW.
These aren’t “Christian” women.
Remember, they’re the ones who so easily give-up their Christian “innocence” to pathetic losers like Thatch.
The real men they know in church, the “good guys,” oh, they’re “too nice” for them, but have no problem “showing their Christian love” by giving those godless pagan fornicators the first crack @ their “good girl” pussies.
Makes me wanna puke, the rampant hypocrisy displayed by their types.
I’m sure he feels much better for your, er, kind words. Why, if you like him, do you too line up to stick the knife in? (Real subtle, by the way: “Poor ole Frank :sigh: — he’s kinda okay to patronize on my blog, but I could never have f***ed a loser like him in a million years.”) Hasn’t the poor guy taken enough of a kicking here from so-called “Christians”? If Frank read this on a bad day and went off and strung himself up, you vultures would post hypocritical tributes saying how sorry you all were. (And then just carry on blogging as usual. …Though I think the OP would just laugh and call such a man ‘weak’.) Frank might have made an ass of himself with his orbiting, but what on earth happened to tolerance? Or compassion? Or basic decency? You’re social/sexual Darwinists rather than Christians.
…And there’s not one word from you, a self-proclaimed “Christian” woman, about the cad who wrote this, or about his slutty “Christian” conquest — but this doesn’t surprise me. From what I read over at Hooking Up Smart, your own husband is a cad, too, and treats you like a slut (having had over 30 other women in your marriage so far). He clearly neither respects nor loves you, yet you stay with him. You submit to him, saying that it’s because you’re a Christian, but it’s pretty clear that this isn’t the case — it’s more likely you stick around because you’re stuck in phallic worship. You married him for the asses’ flesh between his legs and you’ll hang onto him for that, too, regardless of how badly he treats you. (Camille Paglia has said as much.) …Yet you dress up your vice as virtue, pretending to stick by him out of duty to God. It’s hypocrisy. And that’s why there’s no criticism of the OP or his pump ‘n dump in the church, whilst poor Christian beta-virgin Frank gets the clever, patronizing put-down. Hey, way to go, sister.
God have mercy on your daughters…
Between the lot, these “christians” couldn’t scrape together enough humanity to equal the rotting fetal wreckage of a back-alley abortion.
You are correct in shaming them all.
“I like the guy”
But do you respect him? That’s all that matters.
His virginity comments and then the butthurt response…to me doesn’t bring respect.
nice mouth on you Mr “Catholic”
Are those your shoes or a stock photo?
Even though I did call you a ‘sperg over at the Chateau, I do want to know the answer to this.
You’re not exactly a paragon of Christian virtue yourself.
Your first sentence contradicts the second. The female urge to stand up for a harmless little brother is indicative of his failure.
Girls don’t consciously register these things, but they do quietly react to a guy’s aura, like an urge or an instinct. Intellectual defenses aside, do you not feel something vaguely needy or “creepy” (the catch-all female phrase) about a 36-year-old virgin, no matter what his reasoning? Like there’s something missing here, something you can’t quite put a finger on? This is all a very different discussion about the merits of male virginity per se.
You’re “stand[ing] up” for Frank out of your noble urge to pity the picked on. But, perversely, your pity is not helpful to his cause. You indict him by sensing his absence of strength.
With that out of the way, let’s talk footwear.
Matt
Oh, so YOU know what women think?
I’m certain many women respect virgin men for their sexual responsibility.
Don’t pile-on the so-called ‘betas” by acting like Thatch.
It’s very unmanly of you
Sis,
I honestly hope you’d give guys like Frank a chance.
I respect him.
I wasn’t a virgin like him, in my 30s, but know what it’s like to be shunned by women, even CHRISTIAN women.
Many Christian girls like you IGNORED ME in my 20s.
This was extremely unjust as I was a Christian man who’d never use them for sex.
Like them, I wanted a relationship first.
But I guess women’s rants about not finding men who want relationships is all a lie…..
Guys like Frank & I existed.
The good Christian women just didn’t pay us any attention & were too interested in losers like this blog’s OP….
“If you’re a red pill Christian man who isn’t all hung up on premarital sex…”
I don’t believe that you can behave in this manner and claim the name of Christ. I cannot reconcile the libertine lifestyle with Christianity. And I wouldn’t be too proud of out-quoting the pastor (except to point out his lack of education). The Devil can quote Scripture to suit his own ends.
“I swear that outside of cults and a few backwater farms, there can’t be
more than 100 girls of this quality left in America who aren’t
unfortunate looking, fat or acne-ridden social retards.”
And the only thing you can think of to do with this wonderful rare treasure is to defile it, because apparently you think it’s manly. What the hell were you doing at a missions conference anyhow? Other than deflowering a young woman for whom you have no intention of taking responsibility.
Other than that, he was probably enjoying the free coffee and donuts.
stop being such a beta bitch lord
How exactly is he being a Beta bitch lord? It’s a perfectly valid set of questions to ask- if thatch wants to bed as many women as possible he could fuck his way across the west, there are sluts aplenty in our world! Girls of quality are so rare, so why does he have to defile them? Of course the girl in question is just as responsible for the sin as he was, no denying that, but that doesn’t justify his actions.
In the end he exemplifies the hypocrisy of so many redpillers, which, ironically, directly mirrors female hypocrisy: Just as so many women complain that they can’t find a “nice guy”, whilst riding the badboy-cock carousel, so many amongst us complain about the slutification of the west and the fact that they cant find a good woman with whom to settle down, yet they themselves are the ones who provide a market for said sluts by fucking so many of them!
More importantly of course- what the hell indeed was thatch doing at a missions conference? He’s obviously not interested in missions and the propagation of the Gospel. Why doesn’t he have the integrity to just stop calling himself a Christian, since he clearly doesn’t believe in the teachings of the faith
Well-stated & something I feel & wish I could have stated as good as you did.
This part is really good:
“….Just as so many women complain that they can’t find a “nice guy”, whilst riding the badboy-cock carousel, so many amongst us complain about the slutification of the west and the fact that they cant find a good woman with whom to settle down, yet they themselves are the ones who provide a market for said sluts by fucking so many of them!…”
Thatch is a piece of work.
He wouldn’t last more than a few seconds if a REAL Christian woman encountered his line of BS.
What can be said, when you are not even a Christian (regarding the faggot type Mr. Thatch just took down on Dalrocks blog) you have no right to complain. Mostly they are churchians, read but do not understand, understand but do not apply. By the way, in such “missions” the only thing good about that food is that is free hahaha
Why even engage theists? They deny evolution and that’s just retarded.
And that’s not even as bad as denying one’s own masculinity.
To start…I am Catholic and I suggest this to my fellow Christian brothers.
Before you get up in arms about fornicators…remember…
Effemintes don’t inherit the Kingdom of Heaven.
Now most Christians take that as gay men…what they don’t realize is men acting like women is what that actually means. And many Christian men do act like women.
Fornication is one thing…they don’t inherit Heaven either. But before Christian betas throw stones at players ask yourself “am I acting effeminite”?
The fact of the matter is Christian men need masculine hearts.
Catholics are chomos.
Uh no effeminate are homosexuals that is what it is referring to. Of course effeminate men is sinful but the greek there is referring to homosexuals.
Yannis: I took three years of Classical Greek in college. I’ve read a third of the new testament. I remember coming across that passage in Greek, and it literally says “effeminate”. In fact, the Greek language has no word to express homosexuality because sexual identity and orientation didn’t exist as ideas before 200 years ago (even though there was still a lot of homoeroticism). I hate to concede the point to the Catholic, but Earl is right.
Actually I read the entire bible old and New Testament in Greek yearly as part of my devotions. Not once in the past and not just a third of it (no offense) . Most (dedicated) Christian Greeks born and raised in Greece do., just like a dedicated American evangelical would do his ‘bible’ study in English. We don’t read it in the English in Greece which seems to shock some of my more fundamentalist American friends (“you mean you don’t have the original King James!”) Of course I read the koine as do most priests and theological students while most Greeks read it in the modern (a totally different and unrelated language–NOT! (read on).
AM I always find it amusing when some English speaker ‘corrects’ a Greek on their own language. And then without fail they’ll point to taking x number of years in College/University/Exchange trip etc.
First off, Classical Greek, septugiant-koine, NT era koine, medieval Greek (Byzantine), modern Greek have a direct linear development.. Unlike say English which meanders back to Germanic forms. Any well read modern Greek can catch the basic meaning of so called ‘classical Greek’ or koine etc. It’s like a modern English person reading Shakespeare with no cliff notes — he gets the gist of it. In other words Yannis knows what he is talking about. He is a Greek who lives the language 24/7 not just ‘studied it in school.’ And if you say ‘hey I’m talking about Classical Greek not modern, than that shows me you certainly did not study any Greek but are probably thumbing through a Strongs concordance or some western seminary issued Greek-English glossary for your info ) because the similarity is really really hard to miss.
As for the Greek not having a word for homosexuality that is pure nonesense. It has more than one just like it has more than one word for love. Many ancient words for the homosexuality are considered dirty words in modern Greek so I’m not going to repeat them. But if you truly are a student of Greek then you can easily find them if you search (use original sources).
There is also a fantasy going around promoted by LGBT ‘scholars’ mostly in American liberal colleges (not in actual Hellenic colleges actually IN Greece) that the ancient Greeks did not have a concept of sexual identity and homosexuality. That is pure rubbish. They most certainly did and Plato referred to homosexuality as something that needs to be condemned! When I pointed this out to a liberal history prof he said to me “oh those are ‘satanic verses’ of Plato we don’t take them seriously. ” (Of course Athens was pagan and homosexuality was not illegal like it was in Sparta). Anyway, that type of ‘scholarship’ is very common nowadays when it comes to Ancient Greece and homosexuality because there is an agenda that liberals want to promote so they try to find justification where they can and distort/reject the rest. (They do it with the bible too ).
Off topic somewhat but interesting:
Note: regarding Sparta, heterosexual marriage and homosexuality see here from a friend: http://elysiumgates.com/~helena/Sexuality.html
Also note that the ancient Spartans connected the origin of adult homosexuality with pederesty and condemned both. Because they were a truly warrior culture they understood that the nuclear family created a good basis for raising good fighters so they promoted heterosexual marriage and respected women more than Athenians. Their condemnation was for military reasons of course not religious reasons (they were not proto-Christians obviously).
Oi, Christians, listen up. Your book is FULL OF SHIT. Want proof? Okay, how come the ten commandments in the the first testament aren’t the same as in the second testament? Major fuck up there. Why are there 3 versions of jesus’ last words before he died on the cross? I’ll stop there, that should be enough for any rational person to go on.
And yet I can go on and on pulling apart your book for days. It’s too fucking easy. The hard part is managing to get any of the facts through your fucking retarded skulls. Now fuck off to your Bible punching corners of the internet and quit trolling. This ain’t no place for you.
“Oi, Christians, listen up. Your book is FULL OF SHIT.” Not the first time I’ve heard this on the internet.
Here’s a question for you. Why are you preaching? Why do you want us to “listen up” so bad? Why not let us be surprised by the oblivion that is in store for everyone? In the meantime we are largely staying out of your way — save a few sandwich boards that say, “Repent, For The Kingdom Is At Hand” — policing ourselves with our fictitious rules and miserable lives. We are consigned to dreary betatude and beatitude, leaving you to plunder the fields we are prohibited from harvesting. What’s it to you?
Atheists on the internet are the new Jehovah Witnesses, except they proselytize for nihilism. Maybe you’re just as evangelical as we are. Only without the dignity to admit it.
Matt
I’m preaching for you to keep your stupid and ignorant beliefs to yourselves. Note: I wrote my post AFTER the mini Christian uprising on this thread.
But anyway… ignoring my questions I posed because you refuse to see the answer staring you in the face? Answering a question with a question? How Christian of you. Get the fuck off these boards.
“Stupid and ignorant beliefs” are the currency of internet commentary. I just want to know why the Christian’s version in particular ties your panties up in a knot.
I’m pegging you as one of those atheists who takes the Lord’s name in vain a lot. Completely witless about how the forces you purport to despise guide your reaction.
Here’s another difference between you and me. It didn’t even occur to me to tell you to scram; I know how to deal with your predictable type. You’re just one more clean-up on aisle three. You, on the other hand, have no recourse but to wish I didn’t exist, like a girl closing her eyes to the bogeyman under her bed.
Sometimes the bogeymen are real though. Hello there.
Matt
Side step, side step. Answer the friggin’ questions Matt.
Why are the ten commandments different in the first and second testament? Surely “God” wouldn’t fuck up so badly as to give Moses a WIP list.
Why are there 3 accounts of Jesus’ final words while on the cross? Surely this is important to get right?
Good luck answering these. But, if you do manage to come up with a logical answer that isn’t “Well, obviously the Bible was written by men, not God, and they fucked up.” Then I’ll give you a couple more doozies to rattle your beliefs with.
@anonymous idiot: Why don´t you try some Reading comprehension at first. Even though I am not very religious myself (heck there is not even a priest that could be called that) one thing is certain…you sound like a butthurt atheist that would not even dare to challenge anyone face to face in that manner, and lacks basic comprehension since the questions you posed were answered already but you are not interested in the answer anyways since you already know what YOU want to believe.
Not sidestepping. Just bored with the repetition of what should be obvious, and with addressing haters who have transparent motivations.
It’s amusing that people like you are so preoccupied with a dying church that has been culturally neutered and ghettoized. Now that preoccupation is worth talking about, rather than engaging in the Special Olympics event of arguing with atheists on the internet.
“Keep your stupid and ignorant beliefs to yourselves” — we’ve basically been forced to, what with the overinterpretation of the separation of church and state. You can snip us out of your lives if you really want to. The secular left has made it quite convenient to avoid our stench.
But you don’t really want to, do you, rebbe? You have much to teach us, even though you hate us.
Or do you?
Matt
Uh, yes you are side-stepping. Want proof? Okay, you avoided my questions. Boom! Now fuck off, you have nothing to share that is of any use.
Nothing to do with reading comprehension, I never saw the response – it either wasn’t there before or I just plain missed it. But I admit when I’m wrong, I’ve gone and rectified the situation and torn apart that guy’s pathetic theory. And for the record, of course I make my views public, there’s nothing to be ashamed of. The one’s that should be ashamed are Creationists (the most pathetic of all christians). Me, I’m happy that I’m not deluded. And another thing, I don’t go round preaching randomly, no, I just respond every time I hear someone quote some bullshit gospel.
YOU ARE A LOSSSEEEEERRRRR!
Nihilism is the state religion of New Atheism.
So KNOWING that the Bible is full of shit (yes, I researched extensively before that final thesis) and being fed up with Bible bashers makes one a nihilist? Hmmmm. Solid logic there. I also laugh at guys who wear Crocs. Does that make me a nihilist too?
You KNOW nothing yourself. (Yes, I researched extensively before that final thesis)
Crocs are next to godliness.
No you didn’t, if you had researched you would be an athiest. Fact. Go read “Was Jesus a Pagan God?” a.k.a. “The Jesus Mysteries.” and come back to me.
Hahahahhahahahha! Those books were written by hacks!
I love the reviews of that book:
Despite a wealth of references and footnotes, Chris Forbes, an ancient historian and senior lecturer at Macquarie University in Sydney, Australia has criticised the work, noting that Freke and Gandy are “not real scholars, they are popularisers.” He calls their arguments about Jesus “grossly misconceived, and their attempt to draw links between Jesus and various pagan god-men is completely muddled. It looks impressive because of the sheer mass of the material, but when you break it down and look at it point by point, it really comes to pieces.”[3][dead link]
Paul Barnett, a New Testament scholar who has authored several books on the historical Jesus, argues that a good proportion of the citations are out of date. “Like the Gnostics, Freke and Gandy have a mystical mindset and therefore oppose Christianity as grounded in history,” he wrote. “They hate the idea that the incarnation of the Son of God and his resurrection could have been a matter of actual flesh and blood and time and place.”[4][dead link]
When the BBC approached N. T. Wright, asking him to debate Freke and Gandy concerning their thesis in The Jesus Mysteries, Wright replied that “this was like asking a professional astronomer to debate with the authors of a book claiming the moon was made of green cheese.”[5]
I love the reviews of that book:
Despite a wealth of references and footnotes, Chris Forbes, an ancient historian and senior lecturer at Macquarie University in Sydney, Australia has criticised the work, noting that Freke and Gandy are “not real scholars, they are popularisers.” He calls their arguments about Jesus “grossly misconceived, and their attempt to draw links between Jesus and various pagan god-men is completely muddled. It looks impressive because of the sheer mass of the material, but when you break it down and look at it point by point, it really comes to pieces.”[3][dead link]
Paul Barnett, a New Testament scholar who has authored several books on the historical Jesus, argues that a good proportion of the citations are out of date. “Like the Gnostics, Freke and Gandy have a mystical mindset and therefore oppose Christianity as grounded in history,” he wrote. “They hate the idea that the incarnation of the Son of God and his resurrection could have been a matter of actual flesh and blood and time and place.”[4][dead link]
When the BBC approached N. T. Wright, asking him to debate Freke and Gandy concerning their thesis in The Jesus Mysteries, Wright replied that “this was like asking a professional astronomer to debate with the authors of a book claiming the moon was made of green cheese.”[5]
Books? It’s just one book, noob. And you can claim “hack” all you want but facts are facts and the Dionysus story (or mystery, as they referred to it) has waaaaay too many coincidences with the jesus story (or copyrite infringement, as I like to call it) to be ignored. More so since it was written / conceived about 500 years before jesus was claimed to have been born. Hell the christian church couldn’t even ignore it and said that it was a trick of Satan to write a near identicle story 500 years before jesus was concieved.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Read it and weep:
Dionysus similarities to Jesus include:[1]
He was born of a virgin on December 25th
He was a travelling teacher
He changed water into wine
He had a triumphant entry riding upon a donkey
His followers worship him by eating bread and drinking wine (his flesh and blood)
He was crucified
He rose from the dead
In the myth Dionysus was the son of Zeus and a human priestess, Semele. Zeus was taken by her beauty and became her lover. She became pregnant but Zeus’ wife, became jealous and convinced Semele to ask to see Zeus’ glory. Well, she was consumed by the thunderbolts and Zeus rescued the fetal Dionysus from the ashes and inserted him into his thigh until he was full term. Now, if you are waiting for some similarity to Jesus birth, don’t hold your breath. There is none. In case anyone missed it, Semele could not have been a virgin, if she was a temple priestess. One of her many duties, as a priestess, was to engage in sexual relations with the temple priests etc. to act out the particular version of pagan worship.
Dionysus was the god of wine. He traveled teaching people how to make wine. This is as close as it gets to being a traveling teacher like Jesus. Did he turn water into wine? If he did, I couldn’t verify it in the myth. He turned corn and oil into wine—but he was the god of wine. Would it be true to say that one could get most anything that grew to ferment and turn to wine? Is there a miracle here or anything that would bring Jesus to mind—without the suggestion of the critic?
As far as Dionysus’ supposed triumphant entry is concerned, his mode of travel was often depicted upon a donkey. There was nothing special about his entry into any city. Jesus’ entry depicted the entry of other Jewish kings who returned to Jerusalem after being victorious. The people came out to meet their king, holding and waving palm branches (1Maccabees 13:51; 2Maccabees 10:7), which was founded upon what we find in Leviticus 23:40.
The followers of Dionysus never celebrated him by eating bread and drinking wine. What they did was tore a human or animal sacrifice limb from limb and ate the raw body parts. Yet, this did not depict Dionysus himself, but the king of Thebes who outlawed worship of Dionysus. The incident is depicted in a symbolic play, The Bacchae, by Euripides. There is absolutely nothing here that would even vaguely call the Christian Eucharist to mind. Yet, biased critics would use Christian terminology or outright lies to say we derived our celebration of Jesus from this pagan rite.
There is no story of Dionysus being crucified that I’ve been able to find, and the only “resurrection” he is said to have experienced is that Zeus saved the fetal Dionysus from the ashes of his priestess mother, Semele, and inserted the fetal Dionysus into his thigh until his birth. What this has to do with the bodily resurrection of Jesus is anyone’s guess, but this is what the critics of Christianity call it.
http://www.tektonics.org/copycathub.html
You are probably autistic.
Ooh, that cut deep. So deep I’m going to go and kill myself and burn in hell. Well done, bundy, your wit has rendered me speechless.
Seek help with your autism.
Seek help with your Christianity. This is the modern world, we know better now.
Get tested or Autism and VD.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Fucking Christian lost his cool. Do da, do da. Fucking Christian lost his cool. Oh do da day. What does that really say? What does that really say? The Christian knows his beliefs are shit. Oh do da day.
You lost your cool the moment you made your first post.
Nope, wrong, incorrect. Was just fishing with a grin. Still grinning, fyi.
A shit eating grim from eating your father’s asshole.
A shit eating grin from eating your father’s ass.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaaha. Gay.
anon writing “hahah…” repeated by a 20 or so times is actually quite ‘gay’. now shut up and keep sucking my cock bitch.
Listen Atheist Beta neckbeard who can’t get laid:
“Okay, how come the ten commandments in the the first testament aren’t the same as in the second testament?”
Ten Commandments are for the Israelites after the Exodus from Egypt. It is still in application in the New Testament with the final additional 11th commandment: “Love one another”. The 4 gospels were written by 4 different authors for 4 different audiences: Jews, Romans, Greeks, and Early Christians. The SAME story had to be presented in ways that are understood for these different audiences. If I told the Romans the same story BUT in only the way the Greeks would understand…something would be lost in translation? Get it? You probably won’t…
You are full of shit. You need to look at yourself and ponder “Why am I a loser?WHYYYY? WHYYYYYYYY?” “My penis is small..and why is there shit there? I gotta stop sodomizing men and women before I catch a virus that penecillin would be useless against.”
Remember these words:
“With AIDS I figured whats next? I put my dick in and explode?” Eddie Murphy.
Check yourself before you wreck yourself. SON.
Hahahaha. Fuck off. So gods ten commandments need to be translated/re-written/revised for each society? Bullshit. If they’re “The” ten commandments then they should at least be universal. By your rationale those 20 commandments have no place in today’s society since they weren’t written for this modern world. Good way to shoot yourself in the foot with your own argument, dickhead. Epic fail.
You are stupid. Cut you dick off and blow a tranny.
Hahahaha. Mission accomplished. Christian backed into his own self-made corner admits it via insult. Made my day.
Your posts made absolutely no sense. There are no 20 commandments! The 10 commandments were never invalid by the time the new testament appeared. One more was added. It does not mean the ten were invalidated. They apply to the modern world and to every generation. You are ignorant of basic history, languages, and philosophy….you are a waste of time. I called you stupid because there is nothing to prove to an autistic like you.
So, in other words, you readily admit that “god” couldn’t even get the
fucking 10 commandments right the first time (nor the second time, for
that matter, I mean, where is, ‘thou shalt not rape, or be a paedophile,
or take drugs’? Huh?).
Athiest +1 Christian (and most likely closet fag, by the number of times he’s mentioned trannies and penises) -1
Another christian closet fag, do da, do da…
Anonymous Dude, you nailed it. I’ve been watching your progress with these a-holes. Good work ay.
Forgot to say, Bundy dude you seriously need to stop sucking so much cock. S’pose Jesus was a cocksucker too. Ever wandered why he needed 12 diciples. Cock sucking.
Good luck with your life.
Oh yeah, I read about jesus – if he ever existed and actually lived the life made up in the bible – being considered a fag, no wife and all; just roaming around talking about his feelings with a bunch of men who wanted to suck his dick.
Funny shit. Thanks for reminding me, pawn.
And bundy, maybe if you pray enough god will take away your buttfucking tendancies. You never know, can’t hurt.
http://autism.lovetoknow.com/Adult_Autism_Symptoms
Wow, are you a girl, or what? Seriously. I call you out on being a closet fag, so what do you do? Try and switch the script and insinuate that I’m autistic!?!? Like that’s going to piss me off. Well, I suppose it would if you were hitting close to the bone. On second thoughts… nah, probably wouldn’t even then.
Let’s be honest here, just how much cock have you sucked over the years? I bet you even have a gay little lisp and a weak wrist too.
“Lack of Empathy and Shared Perspective
Understanding where other people are coming from can be challenging for all adults, but for those with autism, it can be extremely difficult. Many individuals with autism struggle to understand the perspectives of others, and this can lead to a lack of empathy. It also makes it difficult for autistic adults to share another person’s interest in a topic.
Adults with autism may notice that it is difficult to sympathize with other people and that they do not understand what others want, feel, or think. Additionally, this perspective challenge can also present a problem when it comes to humor, and autistic adults may misunderstand jokes. The lack of empathy and perspective-sharing can lead to many social problems.
Verbal Communication Problems
According to WebMD, up to 40% of people diagnosed with autism may never learn to speak. Adults who are completely non-verbal may be on the autism spectrum, but verbal communication can still present a challenge for those who can speak at an age-appropriate level.
Autistic adults may find it challenging to make their needs known to others or to start and maintain a conversation. They may find that the words they want to say simply disappear when they begin talking. Processing thoughts into spoken language may be very challenging.”
I hit a nerve with you. You have lost. A typical basement dwelling atheist, whenever an article of religion appears, 9000 of you show up with and posture intelligence. You can dish it (barely) but you can’t take it. You hate it when someone calls you out on your bullshit. You are strangely obsessed with homosexuality too. I merely threw your own language and filth back to you. You mudsling, I reply with a sledgehammer.
*P.S I hear your father has the nickname of “Golden Throat” in the cock sucking community. I’m too busy with your mom, she needs love. She is too ugly… as they say it takes a real man to bang a ugly broad, but I’m up to the job.
“Lack of Empathy and Shared Perspective
Understanding where other people are coming from can be challenging for all adults, but for those with autism, it can be extremely difficult. Many individuals with autism struggle to understand the perspectives of others, and this can lead to a lack of empathy. It also makes it difficult for autistic adults to share another person’s interest in a topic.
Adults with autism may notice that it is difficult to sympathize with other people and that they do not understand what others want, feel, or think. Additionally, this perspective challenge can also present a problem when it comes to humor, and autistic adults may misunderstand jokes. The lack of empathy and perspective-sharing can lead to many social problems.
Verbal Communication Problems
According to WebMD, up to 40% of people diagnosed with autism may never learn to speak. Adults who are completely non-verbal may be on the autism spectrum, but verbal communication can still present a challenge for those who can speak at an age-appropriate level.
Autistic adults may find it challenging to make their needs known to others or to start and maintain a conversation. They may find that the words they want to say simply disappear when they begin talking. Processing thoughts into spoken language may be very challenging.”
I hit a nerve with you. You have lost. A typical basement dwelling atheist, whenever an article of religion appears, 9000 of you show up and posture intelligence. You can dish it (barely) but you can’t take it. You hate it when someone calls you out on your bullshit. I merely threw your own language and filth back to you. You mudsling, I reply with a sledgehammer.
*P.S. I hear your father has the nickname of “Golden Throat” in the cock sucking community. I’m sure you will outshine dear old dad in that department…don’t worry he will show you his award winning cocksucking skills he learned from your grandfather (taking the load in your eyes and the ass…the family secret…shhhhh!). I’m too busy with your mom, she needs love (What with you and daddy sucking cocks all day long and daddy being too tired to give her any attention…your throats need rest after all). She is too ugly… and as they say it takes a real man to bang a ugly broad, but I’m up to the job.
Stop blowing anon. Why are you his p.a.w.n?
Stop blowing anon, why are you his p.a.w.n? Rhymes too!
Anon and p.a.w.n gonna 69 each other. Careful not to bite each others dicks…you know your loud screams from the basement will wake up your parents…
anon get back on your meds dude. Seriously.
hey anon stop sucking my dick so hard, you’ve done enough for me for today bitch.
Magnificent post. I tip my hat to you Thatch. Naturally, am a nonbeliever and don’t buy into any religious notions. I do have a Christian friend who has a married woman interested in him however he refuses to sex her because she’s married and he respects marriage as something holy and Christian. He doesn’t know that it’s possible that this woman is no longer happy in her marriage and may not be able to afford a divorce and thus stay in the marriage for practical reasons and not religious or moral purposes… Ironically, this friend of mine is not married yet has sex, regularly, with his girlfriend…funny how believers tend to contradict themselves…
What’s even worse, I think, is how open many of these men are; they’re often quite literally proud of their virginity. I’m not really a beta-basher; if a guy can’t get laid and wants to spend his twenties sublimating through videogames, that’s his problem and his concern. More for us.
But what utterly baffles me is the confidence and pride that these men have about their chaste status – they brandish their virginity like a sword. They show off their inability to get laid as another guy would his six-figure salary or bulging biceps. Virginity is a virtue in a girl, and they’re foolish enough to assume the male analogue works exactly the same way in the eyes of the opposite sex.
They don’t get it. They really don’t.
And there’s a huge difference (that should be obvious) between a guy who’s a virgin because of conviction and a guy who just can’t get laid.
Tim Tebow’s virginity makes him even more alpha. After all, every woman knows that he’s probably had at least 1,000 8-10’s throwing themselves at him ever since high school. He could probably score with a higher percentage of American women than any man alive today if he chose to.
Guys like Frank just can’t get any. Huge difference.
In my younger days…I could have got laid easily. But I chose my path because what I wanted was important to me that I didn’t want a woman blowing it up. I saw it happen too many times to my friends that they couldn’t do what they wanted to do.
So yes there is a huge difference between conviction and being very socially inept with women.
A difference, of course, but that doesn’t mean we as Christian men should brag & lord our abilities over other Christian men who may not be as fortunate or confident with the women.
This isn’t some kind of “contest” where one tries to be “better” than the other.
Seriously doubt we’ll be praised in the end for our ability to bed women…
No there isn’t. Male virgin = just being a wimpy pussy boy. Pretending it’s something special.
Male virgins get no respect. Anywhere. Anytime. Good luck 20 years later and you are a nobody.
You evil and you will die in your sins.
In perspective, for all the supposed “bragging” virgin men engage in, it’s far better than creeps & losers like Thatch who BRAGS about how he can rob a Christian girl of her innocence.
After he’s done abusing her & introducing her to the world of sex without commitment, he bolts & leaves the woman with gigantic regrets & a broken heart (plus mourning over her sin), something a Christian man would never do.
Yes, the Christian man wants pussy too but in a different context & involving commitment, something I believe I use to hear women whine about….
..yeah thats terrific, virgin-banging and beta-crushing, but riddle me this, bearded crusader, WHAT ON GOD’S GIN-SOAKED EARTH WERE YOU DOING AT A MISSION CONFERENCE?
You trying to sneak a Birkenstock in on me somewhere? Too busy practicing non-sexual self-restraint to attend to the bidness of crushing your enemies (and seeing them driven before you)?
Wash your hands (have this Pilate ref.) of that toga’d messiah and get with the program; the whole Christian gig is nothing but a control mechanism-of-last-resort over able bodied men who should otherwise be running the world.
More inane blablablablablabla, repeated ad infinitum by feminists and manboobs, just the other way around stating its a control mechanism over able bodied women. By the way Mr. Thatch the post was really good.
…yeah, goodness knows that coughing up the holy tenth and passing on advantages that are “ungodly” are the only things holding this society together. Lucky we’ve got you to translate the wishes of sky-god for us.
stop sucking my cock knuckledragger Ive had enough of you for the day bitch.
…you’d think the prince of dork-ness could have come up with something better over the course of a month. Back under your bridge, troll.
…you’d think the prince of dork-ness could have come up with something better over the course of a month. Back under your bridge, troll.
“Wash your hands (have this Pilate ref.) of that toga’d messiah and get with the program; the whole Christian gig is nothing but a control mechanism-of-last-resort over able bodied men who should otherwise be running the world.”
People who say this are controlled by the world (brainwashed by pills, TV, porno, and Hollywood movies that are written by script writers employed by corporations to mindfuck a generation).
You don’t ‘save’ the world you fight against the evil it represents. The Messiah knows what the world really is when you peel off the layers. He has always given people a choice: Follow me or not. Jesus never apologised and never waivered. Today’s men break under small weight. Better to follow the true Alpha than to follow the path of American B.S.
There are able bodied man who do run the world. But they are drunk with power…amoral stooges like the Emperor Nero. So few are actually inspiring to humanity these days…
…if by “aspiring to humanity” or following Christ you mean fighting life’s battles solely by turning the other cheek or not “stooping to the level” of people who would as soon destroy you, you can keep your half-assed way of hobbling through life.
Men are designed, most certainly by an intelligent designer, to achieve great things. The second greatest sin is the treachery of telling your fellow man that the wishes of an unseen sky-god are that he hamstring himself and suffer while he has every tool to achieve his happiness….the only greater sin is to fall for a line like that.
Turning the cheek is to take the higher ground in most conflicts. It is mercy. It refers to personal retaliation, not criminal offenses or acts of military aggression. Vengeance is expected if I hit back someone who grieves me, did it ever improve the world? this passage is not anti-self defense. You can win without firing a shot. Think of this:
“Offer the other cheek. You are not fighting back, but neither are you meekly taking it. You are asking for more. You may get it or you may not, but either way you’ve made a point or two. You are not exactly what they think you are, and you know it; you are a person, and deserve more equal treatment and respect as a person; you are aware of the truth behind the fraud. You are amplifying awareness of, and insulting, their bullying behavior and the system that allows it.”
How do you define great? One man’s success varies from another’s. People chase mostly futile things…things that break, rust and that which thieves steal. How many men break under such small weight in the 21st Century? People are fattened by worldly ‘greatness’ already! How strong are they when it is taken away? Victory can defeat you no matter what tool you have. It is fleeting…man should not believe in himself; what he builds can easily be torn.
Jesus’s death led to…trying to remember…oh…the faith of Christianity that brought the greatest civilization known to man. Philosophy, Theology, and Science. Christianity speaks of the divine becoming man; an innocent man rejected by his people, despised by the elite, declared a criminal by the court, and murdered by the government under the false color of law. The crucifixion was the suffering and the Resurrection ..God suffers with his children to save their souls. Jesus came as the savior of souls and to defeat death itself. 1.) Eternal Salvation 2.) Meaningful life on earth. 3.) Meaningful afterlife after death. This teaching will never change. The ultimate gift is love and the joy that lasts forever. Man’s greatness pales to this as it fades away forgotten by history…if that is wrong to you… it doesn’t bother me…I’m all smiles…I don’t need greatness to be happy…I want only joy as I live as a pilgrim in a world of hell created by the pursuit of man obsessively chasing human greatness…a world run by people with bloodlust…
A Peaceful day to you!
Christian men…stop being proud of your virginity. It is worth almost nothing. You never heard Jesus or the apostles or St. Paul proudly say…I’m a virgin, listen to me.
Instead work on your heart. Once it is truly masculine…it will be worth even more than a woman’s virginity.
The problem with being a Christian virgin is that pride is a sin. So even if you can abstain from sex because of your sheer will-power, it’s extremely unchristian to brag about it since pride is the #1 sin.
Plus, bragging is also the #1 game sin. If she asks you, you can truthfully tell her you’ve been saving yourself but you shouldn’t make a big deal out of it. That will impress her. But if you try and throw it around like a badge of honor, you’re a beta and a sinner, like that Frank faggot in the post above.
Exactly…
Imagine I went around bragging about that I never murdered anybody…and wore that as a badge of honor. Do you think people would be impressed?
A christian is supposed to do what is right simply because it is pleasing to God, not for any reward or honor from (wo)men. Justification is not through works.
What if that pleasing involved eating a baby or jump froma bridge? Would you do it?
It ain’t bragging if you done it!
Failure to differentiate is apparent here.
False pride(the narcissism derided on this page) is a sin and bragging is the mark of narcissism and insecurity. Confidence and a pride in real accomplishments is not in any way a sin.
I don’t know any guy who goes around & BRAGS about being a virgin.
Doesn’t happen.
But
will tell you this… The virgin guy (and gal) gets more of my respect
than the pagan fornicator who sleeps with everyone he/she dates.
Pride is a sin when it gets in the way of accomplishing. When you’re homeless and hungry, yet too proud to accept help, then pride is a sin. If you bathe and groom yourself you are taking PRIDE in your appearance! The first example is pride being a sin, the second example is pride being a benefit. To sin is to miss the mark. Think before typing.
Part of what we are missing here is even if a woman calls herself Christian, she is more than willing to give up her virginity to the first guy to get her humming because she is CRAZY. They are ALL crazy. Not one woman does not have some brand of crazy. They say one thing and mean another, they want equality coupled with Female Imperative, they say they are a pure Christian saving their virginity for marriage, then give it to the first Atheist that can quote scripture. They are ALL CRAZY. The foundational premise for the divorce rate being the same in churches as among the secular world is that fact that the “good Christian girl” in this blog gave up what secular females do in the same amount of time for the exact same reason…BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL CRAZY.
Your job as a Christian man is to get yourself into a position to be able to put a saddle on one of the herd’s crazy members. Not all crazy was created equal even members of the “Manosphere” have managed to rope, break, and manage to marry (happily) a female. You cut the one you can handle from the heard and you will be ok.
Where the hell was this comment when I was 25? 😛
Yes a man’s masculine heart is worth more than his virginity; Yes a woman’s virginity is worth far more than a man’s; Yes pride (even in faithfulness) is a sin.
No, that does not justify “Christian” pickup artistry; No that does not mean that Paul never extolled the values of male celibacy; No, that doesn’t change the fact that Echad belongs to both sexes, and is accordingly “to be held in honour among all, and the bed undefiled, for God will judge the adulterer and fornicator.”
Well Good God, this was a life affirming article! Thanks Edward, I’ve been walking though a rough patch of late, and this gave me a good chuckle and put a smile on my face.
Plus, I can’t wait to point out to the next feminist who mentions it that “Men can’t be virgins,” I can already hear the poor little hamster upping his speed on the wheel.
Even in death, Thatch knows how to stir the retards’ (ahem, I mean hornets’) nest. Bravo sir, you’ll be missed.
Bronan othewise known as Conan’s personal cock fluffer. Bronan the barbarian who sucks conans cock to get it ready for a girl! A man of much cum! Lo! here he suckksss.
Hahahaha he is a fluffer
This was a great post and excellent breakdown. I highly agree.
Richly deserved slap down of Frank and his insipid understanding of Christianity. Christians aren’t just Jews 2.0, following new commandments like Pharisees to the letter of the law. Frank’s chastity isn’t the issue, it is his self-righteous expectation that he is owed something for it that leads to his misery. And Edward Thatch delivers the misery.
“Why Christian Men Don’t Deserve Virgins” is precisely right — because no man is owed anything. To expect cash and prizes for scrupulous adherence to law is to expect earthly reward. As Ben Hogan said, “You may as well praise a man for not robbing a bank.”
At the same time, though, Thatch’s understanding of Christian manliness is just as confused, if in the opposite direction. He assumes that Frank’s schizophrenic betatude is a church thing. It is a religious archetype to be sure, but not one originating in the church of Christ. Frank is an example of a “man” according to the church of feminism.
But Frank is looking for a way out. He deserves credit for being aware of his deficiencies as much as he deserved being punched in the face by this post.
Thatch is this new website’s best writer so far.
Matt
Explain to me why Thatch’s behavior is not that of a wolf in sheep’s clothing? In other words, why do you imply that his conduct is in any way christian?
His own words: ” …The guy who only shows up to church once in a blue moon. The guy who does whatever the hell he wants.”
How is this christian conduct?
Thatch’s conduct is Christian insofar as he is leading women as all men are called to do. He is Christian in his fraternal correction of his brother Frank.
But don’t mistake this for technical rationalizations or casuistry to excuse bad behavior, because Thatch exhibits plenty of presumption (“the guy who does whatever the hell he wants”) too. Chewing up and spitting out a young woman’s virginity is separate from the object lesson he is providing Frank for contrast, and this is not the time or the place to condemn the mote in Thatch’s eye. Further, “We know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose” (Rom 8:28).
Look. This is the hardest lesson for all corners of “the manosphere” to understand, from the Christian renaissance leaders to the nihilist evo-psych players to the men going their own way. There is a reason why disparate factions of this community are naturally linked together in a cause they have trouble articulating beyond “anti-feminism.” Manliness has been redefined as the root of all evil: forthrightness, force, action, will, violence. Why can’t these bad men just be niiice? Then we will all get along, hold hands, and kumbaya my Lord. Kumbaya.
Anything or anyone who breaks us out of that dogmatic slumber — in this case, Edward Thatch — is doing his part to bring the humors of the world back into balance. Yes, you are correct, we must be twice as careful walking on this knife’s edge, but the men who tread righteously will be the ones who deliver us from the state of nature and back to civitas, where innocents like Frank (and the virgin girl) will not be supper for wolves. Where
the wolf shall dwell with the lamb,
And the leopard shall lie down with the kid,
And the calf and the lion and the fatling together,
And a little child shall lead them.
That is not this fallen world, and wishing it were so is objectively sinful, a cowardice born of forced naïveté. We must encourage the Thatch tendencies in men today, while humiliating the Frank.
The time is out of joint: O
cursedhappy spite / That ever we were born to make it right.Matt
Frank and Thatch are an illuminating case study.
I am not interested in being nice. I am interested in being good.
Men are not called to lead women into sin, they are called to lead them away from it.
Rebuking someone’s foolishness does not give an excuse for sin.
That girl’s father, brothers, pastor (etc) should have been standing guard for the wolf (Thatch).
They were not, and she has paid the price.
I agree, J. Thatch has no pure motives here.
This post is little more than a bragging fest & an attempt to knock Christianity & Christians.
Frank’s a great guy with great motives. He in no way would jeopardize or harm a Christian woman’s morality.
Yes, he may be a bit shy but like women, not all men are alike.
All Thatch wants to do is get some pussy, which apparently many “good Christian girls” seem all too willing to give-up to the first heathen that comes along.
Excuse my french but Thatch’s posting does reveal the sinful choices good virgin Christian women make.
The little redeeming info. here is that Christian men need to become “men” & step up to the plate & pursue these women before wolves like Thatch get first crack at their Christian pussies.
You’re absolutely right, J.
While it may have felt great in the moment, this Christian woman likely suffered great remorse later.
What was she thinking?
Here she’d been a virgin into her 20s, college age, but so easily gave it up to some seductive atheists who mocks her faith???
I can visualize Thatch’s (hidden) snickers as he prepared to mount her & slowly moved his pagan cock into her sweet “church girl” pussy…
He had no reluctance and no reason to not enter & fuck the life out of her, a “Christian” woman who so easily gave-up her treasure to this heathen guy who no appreciation of what she was giving him.
God…. I think of all those “good Christian men” who follow the rules, don’t pressure Christian women to do things they shouldn’t do…
…. & she gives-up her Christian “missions girl” hymen to scum like Thatch.
You are being quite melodramatic, Billy. I sincerely doubt that the woman felt any remorse at all. If she was in her twenties, the sexual urge is very strong and someone has to be first, after all. Besides which, sexually mature women in their twenties do not have hymens and their “virginal” status is not physical. No man ” deserves” a woman’s virginity, he earns it through leadership, not supplication and pedestalization. That attitude is the exact problem the author is calling out.
You don’t think the Christian girl thought about her faith as she laid-back & let that pagan scum slide his hungry penis into her Sister in Christ pussy?
Did she think of the “gift” she was giving HIM — not the Christian man she may later marry — be the first penis to push into her?
As I now know many (not all) good Christian women let pagan fornicators like Thatch be the first to conquer their pussies… I sometimes wonder if they think about their God or their morality as they enjoy their men’s powerful thrusts & feel them filling their good-girl pussies with their godless spermy cum…
Sorry.
Thatch ain’t no “Christian.”
His behavior & arrogance betrays this fact.
Get your facts straight.
Wtf is this post. Thatch leading a woman is Christian? Muslim sand niggers lead their women more than Where westerners. Are they Christian now too?
Thatch is perpetuating slutdom.
I knew a girl who wanted ME to wait to fuck her even though she rode the cock carousel for many years. Christianity was her excuse. She even at times would brag about said days. Then she had the audacity to tell me we weren’t fucking.
So I cheated on her. No remorse felt whatsoever. Fuck her and her false Christian goodness. Cunt.
Two things here.
First) I have this data from this study and should write a post about it for ROK. But smashing it down into the size of an ROK article is tough. The data is from a study “Female Preferences of Male Traits Across the Ovulatory Cycle”. You have seen this stuff referenced but I got the raw data, the numbers.
The raw data shows that women “like” Muscles, Arrogance, Confrontation, Unfaithful, Stupidity, and lastly Looks while ovulating having values with magnitudes of 7.
Women “dislike” or “like the opposite” of traits like “Nice, Warm, Intelligent, Faithful while ovulating having values with a magnitude of -14.
So they “dislike” what they dislike TWICE AS MUCH as they “like” what they like.
So basically they “LIKE” the alpha but they pretty much “HATE” the beta.
And that is exactly what Hatch is saying when he says those church virgins want an alpha christian but there aren’t any because being a christian makes you beta. The whole social cooperation thing inherent in it just doesn’t jive with the Dark Triad, especially the Psychopathic tendencies of it. You can see that in the convo shown above. The beta pings her disgust far more than the alpha peaks her attraction.
Second) If you find Hatch too severe, especially in his treatment of this topic, or any topic, tough shit. You have to be this way. This best things about this guy’s articles, more than what he says, is the way he says it. Take a lesson. Being an asshole not only works, it is healthier.
Any other way of dealing with women, floods your body with cortisol. Stay away from women in a sexual way for a while, and I mean a while, like a year. Then get back around them in sexual and relationship situations and you can feel it surging back into your body. Women bring the stress into your life, just by showing up, just by being women. You can feel your arms numb a little bit from it. You start having trouble falling asleep as quickly. Erections don’t pop up so easy.
The only thing that stomps on Cortisol is Testosterone. And being an asshole. Like Hatch. And I mean that in the best way. Take a lesson here.
Oh hello there, Mark. Here’s a “like”, buddy.
“And that is exactly what Hatch is saying when he says those church
virgins want an alpha christian but there aren’t any because being a
christian makes you beta.”
On top of all that, Jesus condemned the “effeminate” (=beta manboobs). The irony drips.
Mark Minter wrote:
Wrong. Being a Christian makes you the Alpha and the Omega. The roaring Lion of Judah and the slain Lamb of God.
Christianity made feminism possible, by giving women a dignity above chattel; Christianity also makes feminism untenable, by masculinizing the creator, God the Father. Before Christianity brought the God of Abraham to the world, pagans worshiped the earth as specifically female, the goddess Gaia, or “Mother” Nature. God’s masculinity is a no-brainer, but it was not conceivable until the Jews made a stunning claim. Until Abraham, the more immediate tendency/instinct of man was to think of the creator as the pregnant, earthy, life-giving feminine. But the true God is separate from his creation, impregnating it with life.
What you see in churches is a sad hybrid of the Alpha and Omega. Frank is a good example of the corruption — he behaved like an omega toward alcestiseshtemoa but knew he erred, so he tried to make up for it with fake, noncommital alpha (“go get me a sandwich”). This schizophrenia is not Christian, it is a timid feminism that confusedly attacks itself. In Christ, the Alpha and the Omega is consubstantial — existing simultaneously, the risen King of King, Lord of Lords, yet also a vulnerable child in a manger, a dead criminal on a cross. Frank’s bad imitation is a pathetic human grasping for divinity.
Beta males look upon consubtantiaion and divine incarnation and only think of their own failures; i.e., they gaze upon the Alpha and the Omega, The First and the Last (Rev 22:33), and only see themselves in it, the Omega. Being last is what’s familiar to them, so they discount the other half of the equation. They find the church feminine — despite its being built by a man, and led from the beginning exclusively by men — rather than an Ecclesia Militans because their souls are feminized and only occasionally, awkwardly militant, as Frank demonstrates.
Matt
Matt
Woah! I’ve never thought of this …wow!
“If the body of Christ has a vagina, it’s you, bub.”
I’m admittedly Christian, and this made me LOL.
Great article, great points.
Yeah I can tell your a ‘Christian’ Wifey by the righteous pic you have as an avatar. Im sure you’ll be one of those befuddled fools flung head first into hells maw thinking ‘but Im a Christian’ When what you really are a washed secular bitch with a veneer of religion and no real spirituality within. moron.
It’s not a “great article.” It’s flawed in so many ways.
You consider yourself a “Christian?”
You’d immediately fall for the likes of “men” like Thatch and so easily drop your panties for them, letting those pagan fornicators get first crack @ your “innocent” Christian pussy which rightfully should go to the Christian man you ultimately date…
The problem is supposed “Christian” women like yourself who are so easily swayed by the alphas & “bad boys,” whom you almost worship.
You could care less about the “real men” out there, the good Christian men who would never pressure a good Christian woman to do anything she shouldn’t do & one that actually cares for her feelings & Christian morality.
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
You mock Christians saying they fall short and cite the Bible as authority for your judgment. You also fall short, and take pleasure in evil. They are forgiven if they are true believers, but you stand condemned.
Repent before the worst comes on you, for it shall come. This is true also for all the commenters who have also taken pleasure in Thatch’s sin.
Good citation. But Thatch’s sin is contributing to the reform of Frank, who sins by contributing to woman’s dominion over him. Thatch’s error is thinking that debasing virgins is the best or only way to teach beta males a lesson. This act of brotherly charity uncoincidentally dovetails with his pursuit of pussy, over which he is already experiencing the proper ennui according to a recent post. Thatch is easily enough corrected, as he only labors under a slight perversion of perspective.
But Frank’s holier-than-thou virginity is a tougher conundrum, a baby to be cut in half. Frank mistakes scrupulosity for virtue, and he seeks to rationalize the consequences of his choices as the fruit of other people’s bad acts for which he unjustly suffers. But Thatch and most people here immediately recognize who is primarily at fault for Frank’s predicament: himself. Thatch clobbered him with the biggest, bluntest hammer of truth he had at his disposal, which will hurt Frank at first, but will eventually contribute to his healing.
Keep going a little further past your quotation in Romans and find, “We know that in everything God works for good with those who love him, who are called according to his purpose” (8:28).
Matt
I really don’t think Thatch’s plan was to teach betas a lesson. I am pretty sure focus was Thatch.
“Thatch’s plan” is immaterial. That’s the key disconnect with the manosphere. You don’t really know what you’re doing, why you’re doing it, or how it fits in the grand scheme of things, you just do it. And then say you did it because you like to get laid. Which is fine for now.
Thatch will burn in hell. Then Thatch will have all the time in eternity to think about what ‘his focus was’. It wasn’t God.
agree, Rick.
I have no love for a wolve like him, one who likely stole-away some good Christian women I would’ve liked to have dated in my 20s.
Poor pathetic beta lonely cock
Speak for yourself mate. You keyboard alphas all compensating for your own lack of cock, I’m sure of it.
Right along this topic, I’ll tell you about a Catholic Dream Girl prospect of mine that was blown up by some loser Christian orbiter beta (as an aside, is anybody else surprised that that random internet Christian girls are using the term “orbiter beta”?)
Anyways, I met this really cute girl, we were both at a summer job at an upscale grocery store. I was 21 and pretty wild, and she was just about to turn 21, but she was much more the responsible good girl type. Intelligent, getting her degrees in nutrition and nursing, quite feminine. Physically, she was HB7.5 give or take, a little bit mousey, but naturally blonde, fit and petite (total spinner). I am not even sure how I initially pulled her, I think it was mainly through social proof at work and my reputation as kind of the young party guy. Confidence and good looks didn’t hurt either. Either way, she kept coming around and talking to me when she didn’t have a real reason so I knew to pull the trigger. We went out a couple of times, and although she enjoyed my touch, she wasn’t receptive to any sexual escalation. I actually only got a few pecks on the cheek which was pretty disappointing.
One day I made the mistake of asking someone in her department if they knew what time she was getting in, and happened to ask a younger guy who I thought was cool with me. He wasn’t in my circle because although he wasn’t a partier, but also he was Christian, kind of ugly, and bizarrely nerdy (I think my favorite thing about him was that he attached and used the nylon safety leash to his cell phone whenever he used it). Anyways, I ask this guy if he knows when the girl was coming in and he sharply asked why, I replied because I was seeing her (yes, this was a dumb move – I was young, and rapidly developing my game). Then he gets this nasty look on his face and tells me that I should know that he was the one who had taken her to the company picnic (haha, seriously bro?), which was before her and I had started dating. I was rocked off party drugs at the company picnic and this was before I had really noticed her so I had no idea that they had gone together, nor did I care. Forgetting that other young dudes didn’t have the player mindset, I think that I thought he would be cool with it and I didn’t foresee any issues with me dating her. I certainly wasn’t going to spend any of my time discussing the matter with this Christian nerd.
I had plans to take her out for her 21st birthday, she wanted me to meet some of her friends and brothers (which I wasn’t into), but I figured it would get me closer to getting some from her. I was definitely too young to realize the relationship potential with this girl, and I was trying to figure out if it was worth it to keep dating her if she wasn’t going to give it up without a ring. Maybe I could have at least gotten a BJ…? Anyways, all of a sudden she kind of dropped our plans for her birthday, I don’t even remember her lame excuse, but clearly something had changed from the girl who had been excited to see me. I noticed at the same time that the Christian nerd was being really weird around me and not talking to me. I put two and two together and realized that he must have said something to her about me, probably nasty lies. At this point, after already kind of being on the fence about her because of the whole chastity thing, I decided it wasn’t worth it to go into damage control and spend the energy to get back with her. I gave up on her. Never saw her again after that summer.
Strangely enough, the girl happens to be related to the fiancee of my friend, and apparently she was engaged for awhile but it was broken and she wouldn’t tell people why. I think she’s in a relationship with another dude now. These girls don’t stay single long.
I kind of joked about the “Catholic Dream Girl” at the beginning of this post, because that is strangely one of the types of girls I tend to draw in, which is weird to me because I am actually somewhat anti-establishment religion, definitely not Christian/Catholic, nor do I hang out in those circles. I’ve actually dated several of these types of girls with slight success.
I had another gorgeous one a break up with me because, after a series of seriously foreplay sessions, she found herself “too attracted” to me and was afraid she was “going to sin”. Another one told me that she believed in sex before marriage, but it was going to take me awhile to build that trust. After hearing that, I was definitely going to try to test the definition of “awhile”, but she broke up with me after a month, I think it was because I couldn’t get my shit together and find a job at that point. I have another girl in mind but that’s the topic of a new post…
You’re a fuck if you think that “Christian nerd” co-worker “told on you” to her.
Maybe the virgin girl saw through you & realized what you wanted…
Girls not being virgins don’t bother me (of course I’m no Christian), what bothers me are the girls who talk about being good Christians but are actually promiscuous sluts.
Interestingly, girls who are evangelical Christians lose their virginity before girls who are secular, with Catholic girls losing theirs on average a year after secular girls.
Anyways, I much prefer Atheist girls. They don’t try to hide themselves behind their religion.
Every Atheist girl I met are fat. Every man they sleep with adds 40 pounds.
Where is this? The atheists are usually the skinny, all-organic, crunchy girls. The god loves me for me bible thumpers are the fatties.
The Athiest women are the white trash, vampire tattoo having whores that fill the VD clinics.
finding a skinny atheist woman is like finding a chicken with teeth. you’ve heard it exists but its hard to get.
It would also be pretty awesome to know the maximum virginity holding period of a catholic girl, dating a satanist boyfriend born evangelical in a secular country, where the national army rapes civilians following every defeat it suffers at the hands of the rebel militias.
Thank you
What I gather Thatch meant to say is that no guy deserves a virgin simply for stating that’s what he wants. Being Christian is kind of a red herring here.
Real Christian men know the world is against them. Virgin or not. Women aren’t virgins for a multitude of reasons. I’d say sluts don’t deserve good Christian men unless they change their ways to become worthy of the husband..
well-stated Guess.
I’d say while it’s a problem many older Christian virgins can’t get laid, until much later than they want, I’d venture that this is often due to the Christian womens’ SINFUL CHOICES by ignoring these good Christian men, not anything the men trying to follow God’s laws are doing.
Too true!
The problem with this post and with many “Christian” men like Thatch is that they worship not at the altar of God but at the altar of their own “alphatude.” You’re more interested in pussy than you are in following the commandments of God. Frank’s lack of masculinity has nothing to do with the fact that you are encouraging men to openly defy the Word of God.
“Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter.” – Isaiah 5:20
Amen Brother. Thatch, is nothing more than an idolater, his idol being his game. I would have far less of a problem if he was just honest and didn’t claim the name of Christ in the first place.
I’m glad to see that there Christian red-pillers who are neither manginas nor false brethren who worship their alphadom rather than obey God.
This is good stuff, I very much agree. While I don’t subscribe to the virginity club (nor any religious “club”), it can be something to be proud of in the sense that you are simply adhering to what you feel is morally responsible for yourself while not judging others or making a big deal out of it. Like you said, the bragging is ridiculous. It’s clear that they WANT to sleep around but are too mentally and/or emotionally retarded to get anyone to sleep with them, so they look to cut others off by their legs to make them look taller. If you’re beta, be beta by all means, but don’t pretend that’s not what you are. Reading that guy’s comments, especially the sandwich comment, just made me cringe. At first I thought you were harsh on the guy, but I can’t say I wasn’t thinking that same exact thing. These guys think they’re mimicking the behavior of a “bad boy/player” that women seem to want (in their minds) by being a dick and unauthentic, not realizing that it’s not at ALL like being playful and mysterious. I generally despise any person who pretends to be something they are not, but most especially those who display the same behavior they claim to abhor and stand against (while in many cases, totally misinterpreting).
sorry Thatch you’re wrong… God told me so…..
Richard your a fag your mouth on my dick told me so. And Thatch is not ‘dead’ just preoccupied with being my fulltim gimp
Scathing and well-written, Thatch. I’m a celibate Christian myself but this is excellent perspective for me to keep in mind.
Many, many years ago I worked with a “Good Christian Missionary Girl” virgin at a restaurant. She let one of the drug dealer gang member scumbag deadbeat dad cooks take her virginity, while she was in a two-year engagement with some missionary guy. I was seriously tempted to contact the guy, but it’s his problem for being a naive simp, not mine.
I suppose she probably told her husband that her hymen broke “on accident” on wedding night.
Rage level: filled
yes, very interesting how the “good Christian woman” sacrificed her Christian innocence to some scum she worked with.
Wonder how she squares that behavior with her Christian morality?
Imagine the look on her face when that nonChritian guy poised his penis in front of her “innocent” Christian vagina, which she so easily gave-up to him… and didn’t “save” for her virgin Christian husband she would marry & do missionary work with.
Perhaps she considered spreading her legs for that loser in the restaurant “missionary” work… Imagine the guy burst her hymen in the “missionary” position. 🙂
The key for her husband would’ve been the lack of blood from her after he entered.
Imagine the scummy guy she gave her Christian virginity noticed the blood as his hard cock pulled out after robbing her of her Christian innocence.
Wonder what her virgin husband thought that first night with her. He likely sensed she wasn’t this “good Christian girl” when he noticed he so easily slipped into pussy that wasn’t tight at all like he thought it would be.
Must’ve been galling to him that some other guy, a NON-CHRISTIAN got first wack at her virginity…
Can visualize the “good Christian girl” getting “introduced” to sex & love via the scumbag @ the restaurant.
She spread her legs & let this PAGAN move his HEATHEN hard penis deep into her “innocent” Christian pussy, which had never had a penis thrust into it.
Imagine she didn’t make him wear a condom either.
Before he broker her in, they likely did a lot of “everything…but” kind of thing as he knew she was this “good Christian virgin girl” who (initially) put-up some resistance, blocking his penis as he maneuvered it outside her wet pussy, which he’d eaten after she went down on him & sucked him like she was some pagan whore. His mouth brought her numerous orgasms.
There his pagan penis was, poised in front of her wet “Christian” pussy which he knew would be all his in a matter of moments…
“…I’m a good Christian girl. I do missionary work… I … can’t… let you….” she says as he moves it in.
She feels all those things but still, doesn’t stop him as his pagan cock does what his instincts tell him.
As she’s a virgin, her pussy’s tight. With one non-loving push, her hymen’s gone & she’s now a Christian whore….
She wraps her arms around him & holds him tight after his penis thrusts deep into her now non-virgin pussy.
He thrusts in & out & gives her all those sensations she’s wanted for years.
As he makes his final thrusts and shoots his unprotected pagan cum into her, she silently prays she won’t get pregnant, but smiles as she finds herself enjoying it and temporarily (at least for that night) “puts-aside” her Christian morality as she gets the fuck of her life….
Plan,
“Simp…”?
What you think of this guy, Don, who was out of state while his fiance, the good-girl virgin Catholic Ann, spread her legs & let this guy thrust into her…
http://www.literotica.com/s/summer-of-regrets
Imagine she wanted the pagan guy’s penis to be her first.
Man,
I want to ask you about that experience.
It’s a topic of interest to me, innocent Christian women giving it up to the pagan guys, the bad boys.
Can you contact me?
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THanks
Being a virgin is nothing to be proud of in and of itself, as a male, even if Christian. All that it shows is that you lack the masculinity to attract and hold a good woman. Being one myself, it is miserable, and if dating and marriage was not such a cesspool I would have gladly wedded and bedded a wife years ago. However, remember that the the Romans used to feed us to lions, and now the ruins of the Coliseum share a city with St. Peter’s Basilica. Ottoman Turkey is a shell of its former power, trying to join the European Union. We have a history of destroying empires hostile to us, and this one is no differently fated. Being hostile to Christianity has a habit of turning out poorly for those responsible.
So that’s why Christianity capitulated to Feminism?
Victims of our own success, we became weak and complacent. Men become soft when there is no stress. Good living was our downfall. Feminism is providing us with the opponent we need to become strong again. Forget the old men and the weak, the rest of us are finding our claws again. Pull away our prosperity and then the most deadly force man has ever produced will replace it.. After centuries, the Mohammedans still have bad memories from the Crusades. When we rise, we do not do things in half measures.
Well said, brother. “The gates of hell shall not prevail,” let alone a gaggle of fat resentful women with poor hygiene — or the “players” who worship and wallow in the cess pool those ugly bitches created.
“You will know them by their fruits.” The fruit of Christianity is Western Civilization, which dominated the world until it began to believe it could have the fruits of Christianity without the Christ.
For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven,
And return not thither but water the earth,
Making it bring forth and sprout,
Giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater,
So shall my word be that goes forth from my mouth;
It shall not return to me empty,
But it shall accomplish that which I purpose,
And prosper in the thing for which I sent it.
Isa 55:10-12
Matt
This article is good. But Christianism is a vulgar contradiction between body and mind. Its principles and practices have evolved from whatever original Christianity was to a highly effective tool of social control.
1. It convinces you to trade suffering now for a happy afterlife later (Now you have succesfully closed a soul-selling deal with the devil).
2. It makes you feel guilty of doing normal things like a fuckin’ normal person. Example given: sex, intoxication, territory defense, money
After it achieves these two things, you start to struggle with yourself and with the social pressure applied by the religious microcosmos you are now trapped in.
This weakens you. You find solace in the lies you tell to yourself. This weakens you even more.
Now they owe you. And they owe your wife and your children.
Work for the slavemaster at a discount. You are a free man now.
Yes, you got it. Elites steer the church in the direction they want the masses to go. Now, at least with Evangelicalism, it seems to be the church of Team America World Police and Feminism.
The preachers and priests in rich and poor churches say different stuff to people:
1. Poor people are asked to resign to their worldly desires and continue living in the humble poverty of Jesus.
2. Rich people are taught not too fuck each other so hard when doing business
For a lot of folks, “christians” are all hillbilly americans. No so.
“pua/christians” are crazy hibrid like “gospel-metal”
As Hank Hill said, “Can’t you see you’re not making christianity any better, you’re just making rock n roll worse.”
Gospel metal right here:
Ironically, a lot of metal musicians view themselves as very Christian 😉
damn, looks like mentu/thatch vanished again…who’s gonna pick up the slack on rok? big shoes to fill
I’m busy suckiing cock. Im a fag when Im off duty okay? Being gay is not a crime! anyway find another hero until I get back bitches.
premarital sex is part of the ten commandments, it falls under adultery which is one of the commandments. If you are going to write about a religion, make sure you know what you are talking about
I won’t go too much about the specifics from Edward Thatch’s post – many Christians will certainly have disagreements with many of his points. However, consider this part of his article:
She’d much rather have a Godly, non-whiney, less bitchy version of you. But since you can’t deliver, I’m her only option. What’s a virgin who wants to hold out til marriage going to do if there are no marriageable Christian men around and her clock starts ticking?
This really is the main point – if Christian men acted like men instead of acting like “men from the church of feminism”, the virgin Christian girls will choose them instead of the badboys.
Maybe.
On this we agree.
I maintain however that Thatch is a heretic for his actions. When will the manosphere as well as the Church realise that you can be a Godly man who obeys the Lord concerning sex without being a beta-bitch mangina?
This is insightful. I particularly enjoyed your pointing out how your opponents can beat you. Very sporting. Still, picking on fat women is wrong and betrays insecurity. I like the guy in this post. I don’t like that other guy.
Your line about snark and how it is only manly when you do it made me laugh.
You like which guy? Frank’s the one who’s more admirable in this skirmish.
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Great post. Right on all points.
Nope, that heel Thatch is wrong on just about everything. He couldn’t compete against a real man.
Unless he’s Tim Tebow, no man should be bragging about his ‘virginity.’ Tebow has had the willpower to do what most men can’t do. And generally, men who are still virgins by Tebow’s age just have serious issues. They’re not Dalai Lamas, they’re just younger George Sodinis without their day under the sun.
They don’t realize 7s, 8s, 9s and/or 10s won’t drop at their doorstep if they spend their day a prisoner in their own home, arrested in their development and with no place to go.
Their ‘morals’ are imaginary. If they could get that younger, fresher piece of cherry pie, they would. But if they can’t, suddenly they wouldn’t anyway because it’ll compromise their morals? The rubbish in that is tremendous.
TMT
Frank managed to mix the worst of Christian beta (omega, really) with a cartoonish parody of game with the sandwich and pickles comment. Reading his original comment I swear I could hear vaginas slamming shut all over town.
In fact, all the doors in my house slammed shut as a sign of solidarity.
And God forbid that a pregnant woman read a comment like that – the poor kid will be trapped inside, which is maybe how beta males are made, now that I think about it.
disgusting
“So I hear you’re some kind of a player man. Are you?”
“Thou sayest it.”
Epicness level: Chuck Norris!
This is a great condensation of what may be the golden rule of the alpha mindset: never be apologetic about who you are.
Youre a sick man and you have my pity.
While being a virgin is worth much more as a woman, simply the claim of being a virgin is worth exactly the same for both genders: Nothing.
In this day of fairly reliable contraception with multiple chances for the female, how would we know? Admittedly her not having fucked around makes she less likely to have you pay for someone elses cuckold child for two decades, but who ever admits to being more likely to have a child that doesn’t belong to their future meal ticket, regardless of whether they are or not?
Traditionalism only works in a surveilled or controlled environment.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
So telling guys Christian or not how to score with so called church girls makes you a part of this sin. Your ‘Christian’ girl is no Christian at all, nor are you, because you know the Scripture or so you say, and trample on it.
Do yourself a favor..shut down this website down,and repent. The Bible is nothing to fool around with. You will be judged by it, and worse for you since you claim to know it.
You give us a bad name.
What you are asking for is impossible in this culture. Put your energy into confronting the culture rather than calling out people for unconsciously conforming to it. While judgment is a part of the faith, we cannot promise forgiveness for their sins. We can only point them in the right direction. “For which is easier, to say, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Rise and walk’?”
Being literal about Thatch’s sin and silent about Frank’s is the easy way. Maybe even the only way, for you. But know that your refuge in scrupulosity aids the enemy’s designs.
Matt
Do you have a hard on for Eddie? You keep emphasizing Frank
Any Christians with anxiety about all “your” virgins getting pounded by the bad boys leaving you the scraps, I have two things to say:
1. Abandon your religion. It is fantasy.
2. Grab a virgin or three for yourself. You will feel better than you did when you masturbated to thoughts of sweet Mary Sue getting done in the back seat by Mr Rockbanddrummer.
I’m surprised no one said this as directly as I’m about to say this. I know that there are exceptions to this, but if you as a man of any religious belief truly will not have sex with women until you are married to her in today’s Western especially American culture, then you will die a virgin never having known any woman to have ejaculated your penis in any way especially having vaginal sexual intercourse. I respect men who want to do this, but only if they honestly admit to themselves this is what is happening. These men must be able to say that they would rather die virgins as well as not marry an unworthy woman than have sex. You as virginal men must accept that most people will think less of you not only as a man but less of a human being because you follow your convictions. You virginal men must accept that you will suffer spiritual and psychological torment. You virginal men must also learn not to brag about your virginity and be stoic about your pain.
Way too long, didn’t read.
LOL his encounter with the “virgin” is fake. Nice try though
Yeah, Thatch wrote a bunch of BS
The more i think about it the less it adds up
He should have replied like this :
Thank you alcie, I see the flies are betta orbiters down there already …
Can someone tell me how this is any different than the common red pill knowledge? In essence that women aren’t attracted to beta men, and that in the absence of an alpha who will commit, they’ll take any alpha they can get? Christian women are no less guilty of this than “non Christian” women.
There are Christian Alpha men, they tend to marry young and marry the hot virgin. Or they tend to have been the “secular” alpha who did what he wanted and has now committed to changing his ways. Although his days of debauchery helped solidify his masculine identity.
At any rate the reason why most Christian men are so beta are the same reasons why most non christian men are beta. They are in a system that encourages them to be and celebrates their betaness. The guys don’t know any better, so they go along with it sincerely believing that they are doing what is right, and that doing what is right makes them attractive to women (and that their virginity is attractive to women). Of course, it doesn’t help that the alpha Christians in the church attribute their success to Jesus, not their intrinsic alpha/male qualities.They also teach a sort of impractical spiritual naivete, where it’s Jesus who is working, rather you. In essence instead of telling the beta chumps to take practical steps to become men, they tell them to wait on Jesus..
So the reality is that if you don’t posses masculine qualities or traits when you enter the church, the church sure as hell isn’t going to teach you how to develop those qualities. The church is killing young men, feeding them lies, and keeping them naive to reality.
Again, I don’t see anything new here. If you’re beta, you’re not gonna have much success with any woman, let a lone “Christian” virgin.
good points except for the end. God does have your best interest in my little man. But you have to open your little mind and have a little faith.
Great article. I am a Catholic (by choice, not force of habit) and the simpering betaness of 95% of my unmarried male co-religionists is astounding. They’ve imbibed the worst aspects of feminism, under the guise of “virtue and chastity.” Virtuous, good men deserve virtuous, good women. The word virtue comes from the Latin ‘vir,’ man. Being an effeminate beta or omega is not virtuous. Most of these guys have their lack of manliness rewarded with a land whale, and they deserve it.
“Most of these guys have their lack of manliness rewarded with a land whale, and they deserve it.”
Yeah and I guess the Good Lord above made you the judge of who deserve what eh Mr Catholic by choice? When you are roasting in hell remember you arrogance fool, you’ll have all eternity to figure it out. (hint: condemning the weak instead of helping is what your true father satan would do)
Stupid fuck doesn’t realize that trophy wives will cheat on alphas anyway. Fucking vagina worshiper
Matthew 5:27-28 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.~Jesus
Christian men should take points I through VI to heart. Don’t boast of your virginity. Remember that most male virgins are not so by choice. They are so because they can’t, not because they’re unable.
While he makes some very good & apt points about Christian men who should be more forward in approaching women, the guy’s obviously a nonChristian & pagan who BRAGS about how he robs the innocence of the Christian virgins who so willingly give him their vaginas.
I think this should serve as a warning to good Christian men to step-up & learn how to act like real men so they, not the worldly & promiscuous players like the OPs, can get first-crack @ their sisters in Christ’s pussies, on their wedding nights… 🙂
No. Should be:
They are so because they can’t, not because they want to be.
There are a lot of lessons here. Here’s the one I take:
Women are not morally autonomous creatures. There’s a pretty good reason Paul said women should not teach or speak in church, and you’re seeing it in action here. A properly taught, virtuous, chaste, Christian virgin will give it up in two days to a guy with game.
I don’t believe in the historicity of Genesis, yet, there is a great truth in the story of Adam and Eve. It took the snake little more than a wink and a nod to deceive Eve, and it’s largely Adam’s fault for going along with her desires (beta-style!) in order to avoid conflict.
This girl just cut her marriage value literally in half because she ran into a charming guy who was openly interested in nothing more than access to her pussy for a few nights.
If she was capable of believing in and standing for ideals, that wouldn’t have happened. Men will literally take up arms and die for ideals. Women will give them up in exchange for the brief pleasure of a cocky sense of humor and charm.
As another commenter pointed out, the men in her life failed to protect her. Christian betatude extends beyond guys like Frank and to men like her husband and brothers who grant her autonomy. If her father was a man, he wouldn’t let her out of his sight for an entire night with a strange man. But he did, and his daughter’s worth is now literally half of what it was, and she is likely to be just another washed-up ex-slut at age 35, desperately flailing about for a man to rescue her from her inability to control herself.
Who the hell let these aspie retards onto the thread? That includes both the religious ones and the atheists.
You bunch of social retards can keep slapping each other with your ninth-grade internet skillz, while sadly making the manosphere look exactly like what jezebel would love to portray it as.
You tools do not deserve the forum that Roosh has provided for you here.
It’s bad enough to watch women devolve into endless catfights, but you guys seem intent on following them into it. Leave the catfights to the women, please. Maybe we should shut down the whole manosphere for a few years until such time that enough masculine men can be found to comment on the threads within it.
And sadly, one of my favorite commenters (who I shall not name) has allowed himself to be pulled down to their level. Frame is a terrible thing to waste.
Bahaha I commented on that dalrock post:
“As dalrock is incomparably sane in the otherwise perverse manosphere, his commentors are incomparably insane. I once heard them described as pod people, I think there might be something to that.”
Frank is a nutjob. But news flash, Thatch, you sound pretty fucked yourself. That’s a lot of words you just spent to… gain status on the internet. The insecurity bleeds through.
“When men like me come around to poach your virgins…”
lol quake in fear at the professional bloggers… a rapjeet street shitter throws poo at an untouchable and calls himself ALPHA AS FUCK
that matt forney was outed as ferdinand bardamamamamamu says about 98% of everything that needs to be said about the manosphere, woe betide the faggots who have posting careers in it
Whether Christian or not, all you fucks are going to hell.
“She rewarded my masculine confidence two nights later by giving me the virginity she had been saving for her future husband.”
That my friend is what we call a ‘slut’
If she really is that easy I wonder if she was a virgin to begin with.
In traditional Biblical times premarital sex wasn’t really much of an issue because people were married early and quickly. The modern notion of dating where you are expected to maintain a long non-marital relationship with a woman before marriage would be very foreign to someone living in Biblical times. They had betrothal but the time between betrothal and marriage then was way shorter than it is today. The Bible is very negative towards divorce but isn’t negative for the most part towards polygamy. Ironically the modern West abides by inverse Greco-Roman model where polygamy is taboo and divorce is almost perfectly accepted or even promoted as an integral part of maintaining a monogamous society.
I think this article has some valid points about the archetype “Frank” in the church and furthermore about how these “Franks” are partially responsible for the “church virgin” archetype succumbing to “Edward”. To note that Edward is a wolf who sometimes pretends to be in sheep’s clothing is a not a valid arguments on the points being presented because, although this is true, he does not pretend to be anything more than that in the article. A true Christian male is right in abstaining from sex outside of marriage but he should also be bold and aggressive spreading the word of God. Instead of trying to be “caring and nice” to the Christian virgin he desires he should be out ministering to people in need and spreading the Gospel to lost souls. He should be willing to risk his life to spread the word of God. He should have little time for the “christian virgin” because he should instead have a heart fully in love with God. If Frank was like this, Edward would have little chance with a true Christian woman who would admire this new Frank’s true love for God. If Edward is still able to sway the “church virgin” to be with him the new Frank would not fret since she’s not the type of woman that is strong enough to endure and support the ministry he’s doing for Christ. Love for God should be first, finding a mate is a lower priority for a Christian man.
I don’t think ANY of you actually understands christianity… Perhaps if you actually read the bible(not just quoting from it) you would understand. The ‘goal’ in christianity is too become christ-like. as far as anyone can tell, he was an incredibly HUMBLE person, not maskulin, not effeminate, but just a normal guy(albeit with mystical powers). I mean really, stop being such a complete asshole, and learn how to be humble and caring.
So… how’d she do?
This “good Christian girl” gave you her Christian innocence.
You use a condom? I heard many virgins don’t worry so much about that and in the moment of passion, will allow a guy to cum in them unprotected.
Did she cry?
I know many good Christian girls do during their first time.
Do you know if she returned to her church and evangelism work? She go into missionary work?
Did her letting you screw her change her views or enthusiasm on that
I hope you realized the treasure you had with her… and understand the regrets she very well had the next day giving her Christian innocence to a guy like you…
Posted this, but it’s so far down in the comments it may not get read:
[ from J, responding to Matthew King ]
Explain to me why Thatch’s behavior is not that of a wolf in sheep’s clothing? In other words, why do you imply that his conduct is in any way christian?
His own words: ” …The guy who only shows up to church once in a blue moon. The guy who does whatever the hell he wants.”
How is this christian conduct?
MY RESPONSE:
I agree, J. Thatch has no pure motives here.
This post is little more than a bragging fest & an attempt to knock Christianity & Christians.
A real Christian ( and a real “man”) doesn’t go to church to “poach” virgin Christian women.
Frank’s a great guy with great motives. He in no way would jeopardize or harm a Christian woman’s morality.
Yes, he may be a bit shy but like women, not all men are alike.
All Thatch wants to do is get some pussy, which apparently many “good Christian girls” seem all too willing to give-up to the first heathen that comes along.
Excuse my french but Thatch’s posting does reveal the sinful choices good virgin Christian women make.
If these women are so stupid to overlook us good guys… well the term fits (for women, not Frank).
Though I dislike Thatch’s assertions, there is some redeeming info. here on good ways to approach women.
Christian men need to become “men” & step up to the plate & pursue these women before wolves like Thatch get first crack at their Christian pussies.
Sir, you better drop that beta attitude before I slap it out of your hand.
If you’re in your mid-20s and you’ve never had sex because you’re trying to stay true to your principles, then that’s a sign of fortitude. If you’re 36 and you haven’t found the right person yet, then you’re a loser.
For all women (Christians included), the allure of the player is not in the number of women he bangs but in his ability to bang women. So the 25-year-old man could easily give off the vibe of being able to get many women but choosing not to. The 36-year-old, however, can’t.
No you won’t. You won’t slap me, though I realize you’re speaking metaphorically.
Unlike some others, I won’t be controlled by or bound by what others tell me to say or think. I’m my own man, beta or not.
I don’t know about other people being Christians and players, but I’m a fucking badass at both
tl;dr
Whore can’t keep her legs closed so she only follows parts of the bible she likes
I disagree with the immasculinity bull crap I’m a male virgin christian and I’m for [email protected]$k sure masculine. Half the fags who think they’re manly aren’t [email protected]$t try working in 110° weather swinging 40lb hammers all day building pump jacks while being harassed by possibly gay co-workers who can’t stop talking about dick and sex, you can pick up chicks good job why does that matter if you have sex with 16 of them and can’t stay in love. How many marriages work nowadays? Not very many. How many have partners that have never been sexually active with anyone else? The few successful ones. Having sex before marriage isn’t only a religious ideal and it’s completely idiotic to assume such, trying to cover up how immoral you are by saying virginity is nothing is pathetic. It’s a sign that you have patience, you can wait, you have faith, it’s pathetic beyond description that anyone could think giving in to sex makes you better than those who don’t. It’s the same as drugs, people who give in and do drugs, well their lives tend to suck, versus those who don’t give in, who’s the bigger man? The puss who said okay if it’s fun and makes me feel good, or the person who said wait, this could fk up my life. Just because having sex with all kinds of people doesn’t feel wrong doesn’t mean it isn’t. Some people like decapitating cats and raping their brains out, they don’t think it’s wrong, because they’re desensitized to it. Look inside yourself if it would disturb you and scar you as a child to see what you’re doing, generally it’s wrong. Virginity- what if your significant other made you a necklace that said you were perfect and amazing and she/he would always love you no matter what, then suddenly you noticed to your shock that she/he gave 20 other people the exact same thing, how special does that necklace feel now? You’re just another one of many. Eventually people have to settle down, most marriages that have premarital sex suffer with cheating and just giving up, cause that’s what you do in relationships now, sex sex sex then issues arrive and you hop out of here. That’s the same thing you do in a marriage sex sex sex, problems, what do I do? you quit screw it. Sure the same could happen if both partners weren’t virgins when they were together but it’s less likely. Plus deep down inside everyone wonders hmmm….how many people has she/he been with…. what if they’ve been with more than me?! What if I’m smaller/less tight. Oh she’s a slut he’s a player(in my mind men are sluts as well as women) anyways sex plants a seed of doubt in your mind, this time period in life is pathetic idiotic people doing what they want when they want. There’s something else that does that….. wild animals that have no common sense. How we evolved to become as simple minded as fk what you want it’s okay, virginity is nothing,.I’ll never know. I just hope people can grow up because at this rate no one is going to be truly happy. So ends my rant, continue as you were pleasure seekers, and I hope it doesn’t come back to bite you on the @ss.
Kudos. Virgin men who CHOOSE to resist the addictive allure of vagina – especially when it’s thrown at them – are probably the most alpha in existence because they actually choose to be in control of *everything* even their own urges. They are slaves to no one. They’re the definition of “King”.
A king leads…he does not follow. So if the current trend in society is to sleep around if for nothings else but to remove the “shame” of one’s own virginity (to avoid the ridicule) then which group of man actually comprises of “leaders” and which group comprises of “followers”?
It’s counter-intuitive to suggest that a Christian Man boasting in his virginity (which means much more than “not having sex”) is “beta” because such is a man who openly makes himself available to criticism and ridicule from the male AND female majority, boasting to them saying, “my value is not defined by the majority’s opinion”. I mean, how much of an “Alpha” is that (in the true sense of the word)??
But this is all moot isn’t it? I mean, when one speaks of “alpha” these days they’re talking about such as it concerns “life in The Animal Kingdom” (or better said “…in The Beast Kingdom”). The questions being: “Who is king of the beasts? Who’s at the top of the heap among all of these beasts that *make play* they are true men & women?”
TO THE TRUE CHRISTIANS: Isn’t the beast’s mark clear to you yet? The Mark of The Beast is – in fact – simply, and yet profoundly, “the mark of the animal”…that’s what it means! Those who believe (forehead) and act like (hand) animals have already taken the “mark/character” of the beast/animal (Rev 13).
So it doesn’t matter who claim to be a “Christian” vs. who doesn’t, because when it’s all said and done, female beasts will act like beasts and – as is their nature – only ‘mate’ with alpha male beasts, in the animal/beast kingdom.
But as for me; I’m a true man, not a male beast…and as a man I’m not into bestiality. I have dominion over all beasts in the animal kingdom…and I’ll find my wife – just one – to marry and she’ll have dominion with me. So to this day I’ve rejected all of the sexual advances of female beasts in heat as I seek my Eve; a true woman who proves to be equally as strong as I am by also resisted the advances of male beasts in heat…all at the pleasure of her God and my God.
So please, those of Thatch’s ilk, please continue to be alpha male animals. weeding out true women from those females just pretending to be. Have fun! Truly!
As a true man, a man of God, I still rule over all.
yes, you do rule. Well-stated
Amen. Im so thankful than not all masculine redpillers are either open unbelievers or Heretics like thatch
well-stated. Jerks like Thatch need to be stood-up to
Sounds like you’re gay, sorry to inform you.
this website is gay
A good Christian girl who loses her virginity two days after meeting a man is NOT a good Christian girl. Period.
Well-stated. I am disheartened to read about how so many “good Christian girls” so easily fall for the bad boys’ seductive lines & with little resistance surrender their Christian innocence to the first scumbag who asks for it.
Seems like those “Christian” women haven’t been paying attention in church or reading scriptures about appropriate behavior.
Or they have been reading and paying attention but they haven’t actually been regenerated from within.
“unfortunate looking, fat or acne-ridden social retards.”
Looks aside, I bet those women have better marriages than “hot” women.
Secondly, there is the issue of diseases, which are generally transmitted male to female more easily than the reverse. A man’s virginity is a major benefit for this reason alone.
Thank you for expressing these insightful thoughts.
I wasn’t a virgin when I was single in my 20s, but that didn’t mean I was some kind of pagan fornicator or “player.”
I honestly cared about a woman’s feelings, would never try to pressure her to do anything she shouldn’t do & truly wanted a relationship first.
I just wish I’d found more women who felt the same.
This article is one of the most true things I have ever read (I grew up in evangelical Christianity and later made the switch to Eastern Orthodoxy). If you’re over 30 and still waiting for marriage, you’ve probably done something wrong. Seriously, getting a girlfriend is easy. You just ask girls out, and eventually one of them says yes.
I’m almost 24. I’ve never had sex, masturbated, or watched porn. And do you know what? I actually don’t think that makes me some amazing man. No, I did the bare requirements of what my religion tells me to do (no regrets), and I don’t go swinging my dick around about how great it is to never have had sex. And do you know what else? Women fawn over me because I don’t act like Kirk Cameron in fucking Fireproof.
It also explains a lot of what I’ve seen growing up. “Why would she sleep with a known womanizer?!” Or the girl all the guys like who is “just focusing on Jesus right now”.
Every branch of western Christianity in America has far more women on Sundays than men. Eastern Orthodoxy, on the other hand, has the opposite problem. BUT we still maintain traditional gender roles, even with women covering their heads in church.
What do you mean by,
“…It also explains a lot of what I’ve seen growing up. … Or the girl all the guys like who is “just focusing on Jesus right now”…”
What kind of gal is that?
A girl headed for a rude awakening on the other side of a simple last breath.
what you mean by that?
Those “men” wanting virgine wives are hardcore betas and closet homos.
Right because real men want girls with ‘experience’.
Holy cow, this article begins by diagnosing a verbal altercation on an internet comment thread to assertively exhibit masculinity. L.O.L.
Bow down everyone, this guy is a REAL man.
yeah, Thatch is a piece of work.
A REAL Christian woman wouldn’t give him the time of day, once she realizes what he really is, a pagan fornicator who only wants her pussy, which she should save for a Christian man.
A bunch of junk.
Testosterone works every single day in our bodies and influenced
our thinking. That will change when you get older but not too much. But if you
live your life with this stupid mentality when you get there you will have your
trophy of STD on your body plus a lonely and sick existence to handle.
I have been reading about this manosphere, alpha male theory
for the last weeks. And I have to say that this is a mix of truths and
half-truths that is misleading many men’s -and women’s- into deception. What
you will hate to admit -and maybe haven’t seen- is that this whole mentality comes
from insecure people that “pretend” to be the something that they don’t
really are. The big guy out there, acting and talking like a jerk trying to
impress girls with this fictional character just because he cannot live out
from who he is. So sad!
Insecure people (Christian and no-Christians) are everywhere
this is an epidemic thing mainly influenced by the social media. You don’t need
to demonstrate that you are man, just be a man.
You cannot accept who you are -but mainly what the Bible says-
about being man because you have been deceived but the father of lies. But
there is hope. GOD created sex, man and women. As a Christian man that was in
the world and tried what you guys so desperately looked for, I have to say that
I have the best sex of my life until I married with my wife being loyal to her
and waited to have sex when I met Christ. And yes, she was a virgin and waited,
and rejected many jerks on her life because women’s aren’t stupid. There are
some, and there are others confused. But what kind of man would like to be? And
what kind of mans would you like to have in your families marrying yours sisters,
daughters, etc?
Stop putting all this crap on your mind and value your life.
Start attending to a Church. Get to know a girl and a family with moral values
and principles and be a happy man. Have sex! Enjoyed. But use your brain.
Why you cannot be whom you really are? Because the only way
to know truth about life and yourself is in Christ.
From a Christ servant to all those alpha, beta, omega,
@$#%^@ deceived mans out there. Wake up!
Regards,
Gustavo
“If you’re a red pill Christian man who isn’t hung up on pre-maritial sex…”
The flip side of that is a simple “If you loved me, you’d keep my commandments.”
As Machiavelli said, Christians are in a poor positions. They have one foot in this life, and one foot in the Spiritual, making life rather difficult in some areas.
God created women as a helper / servant for Adam.
That is the fuction of women.
Now if Eva doen not want to be a servant for Adam, then she has no purpose in Gods Creation.
“It’s actually easier and more productive to argue with a feminist than a Christian, because there ain’t no hamster like a Holy Ghost hamster cuz a Holy Ghost hamster don’t stop.
You think Christians are “hamsters?” interesting. In my life i’ve thought the same of the purely secular. You and i would have some interesting debates, i imagine.
That being said, my only real issue here is with the title of your article and with the fact you seem to lump in all Christian males in the same category. Everything else is byproduct opinion, and not worth addressing specifically.
At any rate, have fun using your game to become the predator of female virginity, and in trying to walk the line between secular bad boy and Christian model.
Like Jesus said “you can’t serve two masters.”
Men can be virgins. The term means only one who has not had sexual intercourse. Look up a current dictionary before spewing your double standard bullshit.
2 year old article but it popped up…
I hate to break the news to the author but this girl was almost certainly not a virgin – letting you kiss her like that and then sleeping with you so easily – in this instance I have to think the woman was the player letting you have a fantasy about her “Christian innocence” that she probably lost a long-time before. Harsh but true – girls who go to bed easily are very, very rarely virgins.
Overall though much of the article is true – men do need to act like men and that applies to Christian men. And a real man should never marry a non-virgin.
This is quite an old article but I do feel compelled to point out that not a word of it matters in the least in fact it should be considered satirical because I really hope the OP isn’t serious. No man gets to decide what Christian men nor any man deserves that would be putting yourself in the place of God which this sick society is wholly guilty of. In the case of articles like this one must ask himself: what would God say? Then realize that anything in excess of that is completely invalid and not worth your attention at all.
This is an excellent article.
I am so glad you noted the vast “chasm” between Dalrock’s level of comprehension versus the level of almost all the commenters on his forum. I thought i was the only one who was almost shocked by the level of difference. There are a few grizzled regulars on there who sound erudite, but then you find out out that they are fish hat worshipping papists. No thanks on that, for a multitude of theological and historical and genocidal reasons.
Then you have the lily-livered modern evangelicals who practically trip over their own two feet in competition to out-beta one another, even to the point of kowtowing before the State for their state-incorporation papers and 501c3 status wherein they actually declare their Creator to be the State and not the Lord.
I myself, though a believer in Christ, tend to get along with undisguised heathens much better than with fish hat fascists or effete evangelicals.
So i understand your first paragraph completely.
But let’s be honest about what the Bible says about fornication:
I Corinthians 6:9-11 is one of the more unambiguous verses you can find in the Scriptures.
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I sincerely hope this naive & innocent Christian woman made Thatch wear a condom, so she wouldn’t see a reminder of him for the next 18 years 🙂 If not, I hope she took BC before they met that fateful evening when she so easily spread her legs wide-open & showed him her sweet womanhood which he saw in all its beauty.
She likely did put-up some resistance, even if feigned.
Imagine he told her some lines like this:
“…Christian girls sleep with the men they date all the time. It’s not wrong & it won’t hurt. I’ll go very gently to make sure you’re comfortable @ every step. If you don’t like where I’m going, you can tell me & I will stop ( right 🙂 ).
I won’t tell anyone we did this & you can still portray yourself as this ‘good Christian girl” even though you gave your pussy to me…”
He slowly slid his impressive penis into her tight pussy & with one carnal but gentle push, forever robbed her of her Christian innocence.
As his forehead met her hymen, he didn’t recognize the significance of what she, an innocent Christian virgin in her mid-20s who hadn’t given herself to a man, was giving him for free, with no strings or requirements of love or dating..
After inquiring about her comfort, he pulled-out briefly but quickly returned. She wasn’t as tight as before & his passionate manhood soon sunk in deeper & he began to push in & out as she, freed of any religious restrictions, gave all of herself to him.
As he pushed in & out of her & gave her all those sensations she had long denied herself as a chaste Christian virgin, she didn’t think about her faith or her chastity pledge or what her other Christian friends would think of her if only they knew what kind of girl she turned into…
After about 20 minutes of surrendering to his carnal desires, she felt Thatch’s penis spasming shortly before he began filling her with his godless spermy cum.
She hadn’t thought about BC & was briefly worried, plus felt not a small amount of guilt.
Those feelings soon dissipated as she held him tighter & took-in his passion.
“This is a real man” she thought, comparing him to the Christian guys she dated who were too afraid to make sexual moves on her.
The symbolism of a godless pagan dominating her & planting his seed into her innocent Sister In Christ pussy, which she gave him completely, was telling.
They had sex throughout the night in all sorts of position as the good Christian girl learned how to please a man and saw what she should expect from the guys she dates.
It was liberating & felt like freedom, to her, after engaging in A LOT of “everything…but” sexual activity with other guys & Thatch as well.
They did all sorts of sexual things — including “simulated sex” where she allowed the guy to rub his penis up against her bushy cunt…. She loved the feelings it gave her & she felt some of his precum ooze onto her.
In earlier “everything…but” sessions with guys, they would want to enter but she’d block them with her loving Christian fingers.
She would squeeze her men’s penises & feel them shoot their spermy cum all over her tummy, some of which spattered on her clit.
But a woman allowing a guy to do EVERYTHING but penetrate her pussy comes @ a price…
She got caught-up in the passion & during a passionate moment, “put aside” her Christian convictions & desired Thatch’s impressive pagan penis.
“I want you…” she whisphered in his ear, as he continued drilling against her.
Delighted to hear that confession, Thatch obliged & began to angle his penis into her opening.
He was really impressed by her Christian devotion & relished the feelings her pussy gave him as he entered & took-away her Christian innocence.
This “Sister In Christ” allowed HIM, the pagan fornicator, to get the first crack @ her “innocent” pussy, not the Christian man she may later marry.
that makes me hot, just thinking of being an innocent Christian girl’s first…
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I wonder if Thatch, as he devoured the innocent Christian girl’s pussy, felt her Christian love.
As he poised his hungry penis in front of her godly cunt & prepared to slide it in to forever rob this good-girl of her Christian innocence….
… I wonder if he even thought about her faith, her morals or her convictions.
I wonder if he saw the Light that shined in this Christian woman’s life as she reached her arms out toward him to “welcome him” into her sweet Sister in Christ pussy, which she would give him COMPLETELY and in every way possible.
Knowing she was an innocent virgin, maybe Thatch rubbed his penis up against her cunt a little, to “torment” her & break-down some of her resistance even more.
She knew this was real life when some of his precum shot-out onto her cunt.
“Thatch… I’m a virgin… please go in gently…” she likely told him as he made his first entrance into her tight, but very wet, Christian pussy.
He likely saw her close her eyes in slight nervousness as he began his initial entry.
Wonder if he looked into her loving eyes as his forehead met her holy hymen.
A “gentleman” would’ve stopped or paused his penis to allow her to back-out or “change her mind” & return to being the innocent Christian girl she was until she met this wolf.
But, as she gave him a green light to fuck her, he wouldn’t think of that & as his forehead burst her hymen, he heard her lightly say “oh… oh….” as she felt her Christian innocence depart.
He likely pulled-out briefly to let her see her blood all over his impressive manly cock. They wipe it off & he soon returned to her pussy.
This time, her pussy wasn’t as tight & she felt his penis sink-in deeper, filling every crevice of her virgin pussy, which was now completely his.
He was amazed how easy it was to talk her into going to bed with him.
She so easily “put aside” her convictions & allowed this pagan fornicator, who didn’t even wear a condom, to be the first to fuck her.
She didn’t think of God, Jesus, her faith or her convictions as she felt his powerful thrusts into her.
She wrapped her arms around him tightly as he carnally pushed in & out of her.
He made love to her for about 20 minutes before she felt his heathen cock throbbing & filling her unprotected pussy with his spermy cum.
As he wasn’t wearing a condom, there was NOTHING between them & even if he wore a condom, there would be nothing to protect her heart, which she also gave to him.
She moaned as he made his final thrusts & went into her where no man had gone before.
It felt like heaven to Thatch, the pagan fornicator, & he likely got even more aroused knowing HE — not the good Christian man she may later marry — was THE FIRST to fuck her sweet pussy.
Earlier, while pushing in and out of her, he asked her,
“so… you’re a Christian girl ??”
“uh… huh… yes… I … am… a … Chris- … tian…..” she responded her answers “interrupted” or “paused” by his powerful thrusts which she couldn’t get enough of.
That cross necklace she always wore likely bounced between her beauties as she rode him & she likely indulged in all sorts of sexual positions with him, including him fucking her from behind.
I can visualize his hands “cupping” & squeezing her boobs as he carnally thrust into her pussy from her rear.
Thatch likely felt great being the first to fuck this innocent Christian girl.
While she could still call herself a “Christian,” she couldn’t “undo” the loss of her virginity to this wolf as he forever robbed her of his innocence.
But her statement to him afterward,
“… “I know what we did last night was a sin, and I know I’ll regret it.
But just so you know; I may regret the sin, but I’ll never regret you…”
summed-up her feelings about letting him be the first to have a crack at her innocent Christian pussy.
I wonder if Thatch, as he devoured the innocent Christian girl’s pussy, felt her Christian love.
As he poised his hungry penis in front of her godly cunt & prepared to slide it in to forever rob this good-girl of her sweet & precious Christian innocence….
… I wonder if he even thought about her faith, her morals or her convictions.
I wonder if he saw the Light that shined in this Christian woman’s life as she reached her arms out toward him to “welcome him” into her sweet Sister in Christ p*ssy, which she would give him COMPLETELY … and in every way possible.
Knowing she was an innocent virgin, maybe Thatch rubbed his penis up against her cunt a little, to “torment” her & break-down some of her resistance even more.
She knew this was real life when some of his precum shot-out onto her cunt.
“Thatch… I’m a virgin… please go in gently…” she likely told him as he made his first entrance into her tight, but very wet, Christian p*ssy.
He likely saw her close her eyes in slight nervousness as he began his initial entry. This was the moment she longed for… to finally give herself to a man, a godless, nonChristian…
Wonder if he looked into her loving eyes as his forehead met her holy hymen.
A “gentleman” would’ve stopped or paused his penis to allow her to back-out or “change her mind” & return to being the innocent Christian girl she was until she met this wolf.
But, as she gave him a green light to f*ck her, he wouldn’t think of that & as his forehead burst her hymen, he heard her lightly say “oh… oh….” as she felt her Christian innocence depart.
He likely pulled-out briefly to let her see her blood all over his impressive manly cock. The blood was a symbol of her sin. They wipe it off & he soon returned to her p*ssy.
This time, her p*ssy wasn’t as tight & she felt his penis sink-in deeper, filling every crevice of her virgin p*ssy, which was now completely his.
He was amazed how easy it was to talk her into going to bed with him.
She so easily “put aside” her convictions & allowed this pagan fornicator, who didn’t even wear a condom, to be the first to f*ck her.
She didn’t think of God, Jesus, her faith or her convictions as she felt his powerful thrusts into her.
She wrapped her arms around him tightly as he carnally pushed in & out of her.
He made love to her for about 20 minutes before she felt his heathen cock throbbing & filling her unprotected p*ssy with his spermy cum.
As he wasn’t wearing a condom, there was NOTHING between them & even if he wore a condom, there would be nothing to protect her heart, which she also gave to him.
She moaned as he made his final thrusts & went into her where no man had gone before.
It felt like heaven to Thatch, the pagan fornicator, & he likely got even more aroused knowing HE — not the good Christian man she may later marry — was THE FIRST to f*ck her sweet p*ssy.
Earlier, while pushing in and out of her, he asked her,
“so… you’re a Christian girl ??”
“uh… huh… yes… I … am… a … Chris- … tian…..” she responded her answers “interrupted” or “paused” by his powerful thrusts which she couldn’t get enough of.
That cross necklace she always wore likely bounced between her beauties as she rode him & she likely indulged in all sorts of sexual positions with him, including him f*cking her from behind.
I can visualize his hands “cupping” & squeezing her boobs as he carnally thrust into her.
While she could still call herself a “Christian,” she couldn’t “undo” the loss of her virginity to this wolf as he forever robbed her of his innocence.
But her statement to him afterward,
“… “I know what we did last night was a sin, and I know I’ll regret it.
But just so you know; I may regret the sin, but I’ll never regret you…” summed-up her feelings about letting him be the first to have a crack at her innocent Christian p*ssy.
I can be masculine and a virgin, and I am. I’m just an average guy, except I don’t engage in any degenerate behavior and I know how to say “no thanks” every once in a while.
My goal is to find a wife, but not just any wife – a good one. My guess is that it is much more competitive these days, so why not do all you can to ensure yourself a partner? I have never dated a girl that has ever said “I wish you had been with more women before me.” If she did say that, it would certainly be a red flag to me anyway.
Tl;dr: OP is being a faggot as usual.
If you can remain pure in this evil and adulterous generation lad, your are not an average man but a man of honor. I salute you.
yeah, Thatch is a piece of work.
A REAL Christian woman wouldn’t give
him the time of day, once she realizes what he really is, a pagan
fornicator who only wants her pussy, which she should save for a
Christian man.
Exactly. But an unregenerate church girl would act exactly as old Scratch…err…Thatch states. Pardon me Thatch didn’t mean to equate your brand of ‘alphaness’ with the Fallen One. On second thought…
MGTOW.
There’s a tremendous mind fuck going in with both christian men and women. Christian men are expected to be meek, and to pedestal women because that’s “God’s plan” (according to churches, not the Bible). Hence they internalize this teaching, but it conflicts with their desire to get laid, and to be manly with him woman.
Women are taught that they are God special creation, and that their virginity is the SINGLE most important thing, and they are taught that they are supposed to want a man that is meek, and that pedestals them. Once again, this comes into conflict with what women really want (a strong, fearless alpha who shows up and makes her part of his plans).
The church in general has done a lot of damage to people for being complete utter idiots, and not taking human nature and human desires into account with THEIR interpretation of theology.
Well said. And that teaching they press on men is not biblical at all. Actually the bible is very clear: men were not created for women but women were created for men. (1 Cor. 11:9) If one meditates on this it will slowly renew your mind on this topic. Women no longer become an idol (aka a god). King David said my soul pants for you Lord as a deer for water. (Psalm 42:1) Thus, man needs to worship God and drink of his infinite life giving substance –woman, a good woman, will be attracted to this because she is not number one in his life. She will feel strangely safe with such a man even if she doesn’t consciously understand why, for he does not pant for her he is not interested in consuming her soul (which a needy mans wants to do because he has made the woman his god. It’s God’s job to sustain/feed spiritually his worshippers) this is why Jesus said: “whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst.” . (John 4:14)
“How about it’s best to save sex for marriage because to do anything otherwise is to disobey God’s word?”
This.
Just this.
No beta white-knightery, no pedestalising women for their probably non-existent virginity. Just this.
Edward Thatch, you suck at theology and your exegesis is non-existent.
That’s the problem with the RedPill/MGTOW/MRA circles. They mention everything what is wrong in today’s world (which is good) but yet out of some magical reason……… ITS OK to F*** them because well, “It’s all coming down anyways so let’s take advantage of it”. Hypocrite?
They b*tch and whine about cuck carouseling, yet they OFFER THE DAMN carousel in the first place. Purple pills at best.
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Edward Thatch, if your little story actually occurred, then you are no man and definitely no Christian. If our paths were to cross in real life, I would give you a taste of what a true heavy hitter can do…and I guarantee you wouldn’t be kissing anymore virgins after.
Wonder what some of you think about this story about a Christian girl giving-up her sweet Christian innocence to a nonChristian player that only wanted one thing from her? It’s very erotic.
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The manosphere is tainted with lots of hypocrites: male versions of cock carouselers (pussy putters?), entitlement, AMOGing, disgust for men marginalized by the modern dating market, etc. A lot of it is on display right here in this brief article, courtesy of Edward Thatch. I’m not God, so can’t issue verdicts, but I will pull up a lawn chair and enjoy the show.
Microchimerism, end of story, and beware of any future science revealing electromagnetic proof of DNA connections within a range of a a few feet during sex. Soul ties anybody? Failed article. Stay virgins men.
Wonder what some of you think about this story about a Christian girl giving-up her sweet Christian innocence to a nonChristian player that only wanted one thing from her? It’s very erotic.
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Oh wow, really late to the convo on this one. As a former Protestant Youth Pastor, I love my faith, and I think it does good. But it is quite a shock to wake up one day and realize, pretty much no one does the thing modern Evangelical purity movement preached, even the members themselves. I’m not a jerk, and while I get frustrated and angry at rejection, I know a girl has no obligation to jump on said dick. I’m pretty much resigned to the fact I likely won’t marry a virgin, and likely won’t be one myself much longer. It’s not world ending, it’s just life. It’s hard to explain to non Christians the particulars of brand of “100% PURITY!” other than a lot of scary speeches and a ton of internalized guilt forcing one on the narrow path.
It goes, “You CAN be forgiven… but you’ll just have live the rest of your life knowing your a filthy failure for not holding to your vows!”.
Where it really starts getting ludicrous is the hoop jumping used to justify innumerable Christian heroes (who legitimately were good people, but weren’t perfect sexually), as “Well, God made an exception for THEM because they were so important to history.”
You find the Christian girls willing to sleep with the guys they date?
They like penises thrusting deep into their “innocent” Christian p*ssies, which so crave cocks in them?
I hear many are very sexual.
Moment of realness here. This article triggers me. Because Patrice O’Neal was right when he said he hated women due to the fact they will do some nasty shit. The Christian girl in this story is nothing but a slut. But this story also hits me because I still am reminded of my beta orbiter incel days as a Christian. It just reminds me of the need for red pill.
Its articles like this that depresses me. I wonder what is all the effort for as one of those christian virgins. The only reason why I don’t engage in sex is because I fear I wouldn’t regret it.
What depresses me is that that “Christian girl” essentially told a guy he was a beta orbiter for seeing her virginity as valuable. These bitches need 0 respect.
Just slap them on the first date. That way later on the relationship they can’t say “you don’t treat me the way you used to!”