Morals and customs vary from culture to culture, and across historical periods. In a thousand ways through the ages, man has used a complex interplay of moral codes, religions, and taboos to promote social order and cohesion as a precondition of civilization. So, for example, in old China, a woman was afraid to expose her feet; in ancient Crete and old India, women were unafraid of exposing their breasts; and until recently, Berber women in North Africa hesitated to expose their mouths. Numerous examples of the wide divergence of customs and moral codes can be cited by any well-traveled anthropologist.
But a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.
The immature, egotistical mind sees the variety of customs and morals in history as proof of their worthlessness. This would be an incorrect conclusion. The changeability of morals down the ages only proves the ingenuity of man in finding different ways to impose social order in a variety of climates, environments, and epochs. In order for social cohesion and civilization to flourish, everyone needs to know the rules of the game. There must be some set of generally agreed-on standards to which all may subscribe, willingly or unwillingly. It is a dangerous thing to try to substitute one individual’s judgment for the collective wisdom of a hundred centuries and a hundred million minds. The modern egoist never remotely suspects that even things which he does not understand may nevertheless be valid.
And so it is today when we consider the subject of obesity. When we talk about fatness, I am speaking of the stomach-churning monstrosities waddling and fitfully lurching their way around the typical American suburban megastore. These creatures are clothed, invariably, in stretch pants or some other wretched rag, and usually followed by a trail of snot-nosed offspring from the shallower end of the gene pool.
I remember the words of a svelte, beautiful Japanese girl who came to visit me here in the States a few years ago, as she first landed in San Francisco to change planes for the last leg of her flight. It was her first trip to America. Laying eyes on a vomitous obese person for the first time, she told me in the most strained polite language, “Oh Quintus…ugh…I never saw such kind of person before…I never knew that such people existed.” The way she described it, and the look of spreading horror on her face, almost made it seem she was speaking of a different species of human.
How did things get to be so bad? How can a person have so little self-respect that they allow themselves to fall outside the norms of civilized behavior? I would often ask myself this question. The answer, I’ve come to believe, is simpler than might be expected. The answer is that they don’t care. The negative impact of being a sickening blimp is minimal, and therefore tolerable. And until that cost-benefit equation changes drastically, they will continue to revel in their corpulence. Grossly obese people in America are contemptuous of society’s judgments. Their behavior is a fundamental negation of life itself. Until they are hounded, fined, taxed, and shamed into behavior modification, nothing will change.
They thumb their noses at society, and expect to reap the rewards of misguided tolerance while rejecting all the associated responsibilities that come with being a citizen. Their appearance is, fundamentally, a deeply hostile act toward everyone around them. It is a passive-aggressive attack on their fellow men and women. Their appearance announces to the world that they care not one bit about standards, decency, honor, or dignity.
One of the biggest lies foisted on the masses is that “your body is yours to do with as you please.” You can do whatever you want with yourself, as long as (in your own judgment) you “don’t harm anyone.” To this, I say: no.
You are not a special snowflake. You don’t have the right to do whatever you want. You are part of a group to which you owe duties and responsibilites. One of those duties is not to harm your fellow man. And you are harming your fellow man with your appearance and attitude. You do not have an unqualified right to indulge your basest instincts and flout the customs and norms that have served humanity well for millenia. Who are you, a corrupt and degenerate specimen of humanity, to set yourself up as a judge and arbiter of things you do not understand?
If a society’s biological inheritance is an important gauge of its health, then it can be said that obese people represent a threat to the future of society. As feminism in its current form is a threat to the foundations of civilization, obesity is a threat to the continued survival of humanity itself. This is a demonstrable, biological fact.
The culture of fatness is aided by the media and leadership elements in the popular culture. Junk movies like Shallow Hal (2001), Identity Thief (2013), and a hundred television shows and films (e.g., Man vs. Food, Bridezillas, etc.) promote the idea that fatness is funny, acceptable, and normal. Shallow Hal even went further, suggesting that a man had a psychological problem if he judged a woman in any way based on her appearance. It is perhaps the most insidious beauty-shaming piece of propaganda ever made. I suggest readers watch this film as a means to study the general tactics of the war on beauty.
Powerful financial interests support this culture of fatness, regardless of the threat to the public welfare. They could care less about the health of society: what matters is their profits, and if they have to sell sugary, starchy garbage “food” to every child and adult in America, so be it. The political leadership, bought off by big money in this regard as in so many other things, confines its outrage to rhetorical denouncements (remember, this is a country where even having health insurance is a controversial idea).
One example demonstrates this point. When Congress passed the Food Safety Modernization Act about three years ago, the food industry representatives went ballistic. They spent tens of millions to delay, wear down, and dilute the law to such an extent that the Food and Drug Administration can barely do anything with it. Food policy in America is set by the food industry, not by public health officials. The American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), funded by Koch Industries and other big corporations (including Google and Facebook), forces through legislation that benefits big business, rather than the public. So-called “ag-gag” bills even go so far as to criminalize whistleblowers or journalists to report abuses in the food industry.
The end result of all this is that what hits the shelves in your local megastore is the most unhealthy junk imaginable at a cheap price. And the average person, more often than not an indolent mule unwilling to exert any mental energy to improve himself, just buys and eats whatever is placed in front of him.
But at some point, personal responsibility must come into play. We cannot blame big business for everything. Living on this earth carries with it certain duties, among them the most basic one of being able to take care of one’s body. Shame is the only weapon to stem the tide. And shame works. Daniel Callahan’s authoritative study Obesity: Chasing an Elusive Epidemic (2012) convincingly argues that shaming and stigmatization of fatness, consistently maintained, would be an effective antidote to the obesity epidemic. But it must be severe, and it must be consistent. The following are some possible solutions:
A State-Maintained Fatness Registry
The government and the politically-correct machine love to put people they don’t like on lists. We already have no-call lists, child abuse registries, child neglect registries, no-fly lists, hate group lists, even “misogyny” lists. The cultural commissars love these lists because it gives them a way of marginalizing and silencing those persons they don’t like. Let’s see them apply their logic to the morbidly obese. A fatness registry would be a one way to hammer home the message that extreme obesity is socially despicable conduct.
A person exceeding a certain weight limit could be automatically added to a state-wide registry, and would be denied a variety of government benefits unless they lost weight. Their driving licenses could be restricted. They could have restrictions placed on where they can live and work. They would have to take mandatory classes, boot camps, mandatory public service, and sensitivity training about how their repellent appearance hurts everyone around them. Their health insurance should costs much more than people not on the list, since they take a disproportionate amount of the medical benefits in society.
Enforced sterilization or neutering of the irredeemable or the unrepentant should also be considered. Raising children is a privilege, not a right; and no methods are too extreme to halt a society’s biological and genetic deterioration. In previous eras, before the advent of the welfare state, such people would be weeded out of the gene pool by dying early deaths from disease or accident. Now they are coddled, empowered, and emboldened. They should not be allowed to destroy society by feeding off its most healthy and vigorous members.
Financial Sanctions
Some companies have already started to use this technique. Certain airlines have begun to charge fees based on weight, a not-so-subtle way of reminding fat people that their conduct has consequences. This concept should be expanded dramatically.
Media and Cultural Awareness
There must be a concerted and sustained media campaign that presents obesity as a threat to humanity’s biological inheritance. It needs to go beyond just preaching to people. They’ve heard it all before, and so the language needs now to be much more urgent, strident, and strong. Screenwriters, directors, and media elites should hammer home the point that a person is a member of society and is expected—no, required—to behave in socially responsible ways. Fatness should be presented as socially undesirable, to be avoided at all costs.
No one is an island unto himself, free to do whatever he wants. This type of extreme individualism is what has led us to this situation. There is too much talk about privileges, and not enough talk about responsibilities.
One recent news report claimed that President Obama’s new “food czar” (Sam Kass, a “food initiative coordinator”) viewed the obesity epidemic as “a greater threat than Al-Qaeda.” More blustery talk, combined with limp-wristed action? Or does he mean what he says? Does he really view the morbidly obese as the enemy, as his words imply? If he truly means what he says, then I challenge him to propose solutions with the same zeal and ruthlessness that the government enacted to empower the military-industrial complex after the 9/11 attacks.
I’m not holding my breath.
Societies decay when the people who compose them begin to decay. The sorry state of public health in America at the individual level is the end result of decades of overindulgence, selfishness, and hyper-individualism. At the macro level, cowardly capitulation to big business and a lack of leadership has allowed garbage food, and garbage people, to permeate every sector of American society, including the schools.
Don’t believe me? Take an extended drive through a few states some time. The only places to eat on the road are fast-food joints: the traveler, even if he wants to eat healthy, is faced with a complete nutritional wasteland. I contrast this experience with my travels around Japan and Brazil. At least in these countries you can find healthy foods to eat on the road, such as Japanese bento boxed meals, rice, beans, etc. I found the same experience in Europe and the Middle East.
In the end, societies make choices about what they value. Societies define their values by what they promote, tolerate, or encourage. I do not believe that the grossly obese should be allowed to determine the evolutionary trajectory of the human race. Have no illusions: what is at stake here is nothing less than our biological inheritance. The goal of the obesity movement is to force their vision of “healthy” humanity upon the rest of us. If we are unable or unwilling to defend ourselves against their attacks, it will only be because we don’t care enough, and have opted for the path of self-destruction.
Read More: The Power of Shame
“In order for social cohesion and civilization to flourish, everyone needs to know the rules of the game. There must be some set of generally agreed-on standards to which all may subscribe, willingly or unwillingly”
Exactly. Without standards, it’s a situation of anything goes. The fallacy that “every one of God’s creature has value” is a corollary of this kind of thinking.
This country threw out it’s standards long ago. After years of conditioning by family, friends, religion, politics, and the media, I too thought I had to accept “fat is fine” thinking. Taking the RED PILL cleared up my thinking and my eyesight.
“Take an extended drive through a few states some time. The only places
to eat on the road are fast-food joints: the traveler, even if he wants
to eat healthy, is faced with a complete nutritional wasteland. ”
I’ve traveled extensively thru 48. What you say is not true. People have a choice, but they eat fast food crap because they like it. And because they like it, they will continue to eat it.
It’s not as if good food can’t be found. It’s that those people don’t want to eat it.
People have choices, but if you are driving around American highways, I don’t see how you can say that fast food joints are not ubiquitous.
You can’t get away from them. There are pitifully few places you can find that are equivalent to a relatively healthy sandwich shop, taco stand, or small eatery. It’s all Arby’s, McDonalds, Taco Bell, etc. Yeah, it’s not 100%, but it is the vast majority of places. It makes it much harder than it should be for the average person to find something decent.
In Japan, convenience stores serve healthy, lowfat boxed meals. Same in Europe and Brazil. In America, convenience stores are filled with chemically-impregnated shit that passes as food.
I’ve observed this the couple of times I’ve been in America, each time for about a couple of weeks at a stretch. No matter how much I tried to choose ‘good food’, my stomach complained most days. A friend of mine tried a plate of supposedly Italian pasta (which was nothing like the recipe it was supposed to imitate), and had diarrhea for three days.
There’s good stuff too of course. I also ate probably the best ribs I ever had while over there. But there’s also a lot of junk for sure.
Yo, Quintus! As much as I wholeheartedly agree with the premise of your article, I think it would be best if you threw in some statistics to quantify the threat. To assist you in this measure, here is a tasty little nugget of peer reviewed research:
“Obesity as a Major Risk Factor for Cancer.”
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24073332
(hat tip: Heartiste)
The money shot here is that “The number of cancer cases caused by being obese is estimated to be 20%
with the increased risk of malignancies being influenced by diet, weight
change, and body fat distribution together with physical activity.”
Given the millions of people dying from cancer (well before old age I might add) each year, we can assume that even if obesity were responsible for only 1% of that death toll (and not the 20% this study is pointing to) it would already have a death toll surpassing 9/11 by a considerable margin.
According to the CDC (http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lcod.htm), over 500K deaths a year in the US alone come from cancer. 1% of that is 5,000, which is greater than the Coalition KIA for the ENTIRE Iraq war. BTW, another half million annual fatalities come from heart disease, which is clearly tied to obesity.
The fact of the matter is that the title of your article is LITERALLY true.
When it comes to putting American bodies into the ground well before their time, Osama Bin Laden has nothing on Ronald McDonald.
Fat Acceptance is Genocide.
ROK soldiers, spread the word, and if anybody argues with you, throw these statistics at them like holy water on a demon.
I was a truck driver. You can get around them. No one is forcing anyone to eat fast food crap.
I pretty much lived on the road for 8 years, and there is always at least a small market nearby. Not that I could take a 18 wheeler into their lot, but a car? No problem.
Hell, even truck stops sell fruit and veggies and meats that aren’t deep fried. It’s “grab and go” food, not restaurant food. It’s all (much) more expensive than at a supermarket, but it’s there.
I agree with you in that it takes a little more effort than it should, but it is supply and demand.
I dont think fast food by itself is bad. I used to eat it. But not as a steady diet,
That fatty drives a pram…
Fuck.
Oh God these people are everywhere in New York. And most of them are women. Not even long hair. Shaved heads some of them. Military women have a better sense of beauty than these pigs.
What’s also worse is that people went ballistic when Bloomberg tried to tax sugary products. Fat bastards ran the dude into the ground. At least he was trying to do something.
Well Quintus ,the Article is all well and good,even if I don’t fully agree with some of the Anthropological relativism.And I am certainly in total disagreement with looking to the State for solutions,since I consider them to be one of the underlying causes to the problem(Sugar monopolies,HFSC subsidies,the discouragement of Breast feeding by providing Free Baby formula,the FDA’s complicity in still allowing Mono Sodium Glutamate as a food additive).Consider that Obesity started uptrending around the mid-80s,but Americans have had Burgers,Sodas , Fried Chicken and Doughnuts for decades before that.What changed?I’ll bet it has something to do with increased FDA regulations,Agricultural subsidies/Tariffs,and corporate monopolizing.
To be clear,I am not absolving Land Whales from personal responsibility.
Though I would like to see some tips on how we can fat shame in a non-douchebag yet effective way in everyday social life.
“Consider that Obesity started uptrending around the mid-80s . . .”
On May 4, 1980, the Department of Health and Human Services is born. Things that make you go, “Hmmmmmm.”
Huh?
The agency’s been around since 1953, as the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare.
A political body does not change its name as a matter of passing the time. It changes its name as a matter of changing its politics.
Both the state and the individual share in responsibility for the fatness epidemic. Reasonable people can weigh the relative culpability of each actor in the drama. Some blame the government more. Some blame the individual more. I assign the majority (though not all) of the blame on the individual.
No matter how you slice and dice it, at the end of the day, each person is responsible for what goes down his or her gullet.
It is very easy to shame in your everyday life, if you are socially astute.
Fat scum need to be given cold stares, disapproving glances, or a withholding of friendliness. You should treat them like the plague they are. Their arrogant pronouncements should be confronted, rebutted, and mocked.
Boycott them by refusing to date them, be friends with them, or endorse their lifestyle.
As Ayatollah Khomeini said regarding the US, “we express our disapproval of evil by refusing to participate with evil’s games. We wish to have no traffic with evil and its minions by withdrawing from their schemes.”
Couldn’t disagree more, Quintus. The average person has little to no self-control or will power and is only held in line by social incentives. The government has completely skewed social incentives in favor of laziness and over-eating. The government has promoted sugar and corn syrup sugar subsidies, and demonized lard with fraudulent science and lawsuits. Processed food and fast food used to be made with lard but is now made with unhealthy sugar, corn syrup, and vegetable oil, so companies can declare it fat free.
Poor people with little willpower used to have to stretch their dollar and survive off of spam, canned beans, vegetables they could grow in their garden, etc. Now they grab their EBT card and load up on Doritos.
Poor people used to have to work manual labor jobs where they moved around and stayed in shape. Now they laze around on welfare and EBT, and if their obesity causes an injury they can even claim disability.
Go to a public housing project or trailer park full of American citizens – blacks, Puerto Ricans, Mexicans, or whites. These are all people of very different genetic backgrounds, but they all look the same. They have morphed into an underclass creature, fat protruding, bad skin, trashy t-shirt and sweatpants, loud as shit, kids running around like rats. All people living on the dole, fat and disgusting as shit.
Now compare that to the poor immigrants, illegal or not, hustling to make ends meet. Whether Chinese, Mexican, Indian, Caribbean, or African, the hustlers who actually have to work for a living are not fat and have not seen their mental acuity disintegrate into nothing.
That’s true, and these are great points. To be sure, it is not easy to decide where personal responsibility can be separated from environmental incentives.
As you point out well, there are massive incentives to NOT do the right thing. I concede your good points.
But it is not easy to build anger (and hence action) against abstract concepts like the power structure, environment, etc.
The average person cannot stop or influence the big corporations. But the average person can refuse to exercise some sort of willpower. It becomes all too easy to deflect the blame to amorphous concepts like “the power structure” and “society”.
Those explanations may be true, but it is more profound to seek a revolution of the soul, than a revolution of the legislative assembly.
I agree – we can point out the root cause of the problem and also implore individuals to seek a personal solution and take responsibility.
This is what a lot of grassroots movements are about – Crossfit, Paleo diet, Primal diet, growing your own food, etc. They catch some flak – a lot of the diets are not that great for already healthy men – but the effect on a lot of women and fat guys is terrific.
Agree 100% sir.
One of the the prices of rampant consumerism that we have to pay, Obesity(gluttony) is the outcome of our colossal fast food industry. The huge variety of addictive ingredients used to make these foods e.g msg, saturated fat, sugar etc..Also fast food is very popular as it is cheaper and faster to get. Its not only women that are guilty but men as well. A significant amount of males and females would rather walk/drive to the Mcdonalds down the street , than actually having to buy ingredients from the supermarket and cook.
Sure its a little more expensive but atleast its healthy .This is an issue as it sets a bad example to the younger generations as they miss out on a valuable skill which is cooking. I think we MGTOW/MRA are at an advantage as we see through the garbage the show us on TV/Media/Advertising Cartel. But the average person is at the mercy of these devices.
Shaming will be effective but I think it has a bigger potential to backfire.
Think of obesity as a type of drug addiction. The drug being food. Shaming a drug addict very rarely works, in fact it could make the drug addict ‘act out’ and have bender on epic proportions e.g. the fat lard orders 10 big macs and attempts to finish it.
I think an alternative solution would be education for children already showing potential in being obese or have obese rehab facilities where there can be fitness classes, diets etc just to try deprogram their mind frame. Sure its going to cost a ton but hey,there’s no hesitation when spending trillions of dollars on the ‘war against terror’ and the bullshit ‘war on drugs’.
‘Be the change you want to see in the world’ Gandhi
Peace
That article says quite a bit.
I disagree with being able to force someone “legally,” to lose weight like denying a driver’s license. That is the same line of thinking aimed at non-custodial dads. Pay up! No? Okay, spend time in prison without a license.
Basically, they will never pay it off. They will still need to eat, and still drain the health system. Walking is something they won’t do anyways. With all the stuff around and available for the handicapped, they will still cheat.
I think incentives are what they are used to, and incentives are where we should start. Like making them pay extra fees for healthcare that relates to them. “tailor fit” like a suit or dress for an extra large body. It costs more. You could also rules and stipulations that they will obviously know are aimed at them, like only water fountains at schools, no sugary drinks. If they fight them, highlight it in the media day in, and day out; without actually saying it is aimed at them.
Essentially, all rules and policies like taxing businesses that don’t sell salad or at least one healthy item for every two fat ass burgers, are things they cannot legally challenge without embarrassing themselves and highlighting their need to maintain their bulk to the masses.
A culture of shame that works with hostility towards its target martyrs them in others eyes. It’s counterproductive. Better to make a subtle culture of shaming that weens out the hardest cases, and then make a tax subsidy/extra money off at Jenny Craig or something.
Hard to get my mind around, excuse the pun, but Americans are hell bent on their dietary consuptive order of the day. Why stay home and cook a good meal with all the famillial benefits in tow, when you can bankrupt, alienate yourself from, and endager the health of your family by using your credit card at McDonald’s?
Some very good points here. In the end, a person has to take some responsibility.
I couldn’t imagine a society where everyone ran around blaming someone else, the government, a corporation, etc…for their problems (but we do see some of that happening, today). Yes, the government and big corporations have the ability to shape our food (and policies) but only if consumers are consuming said foods. Supply and demand….stop eating food or eating food at bad places and they no longer exists.
People have to hold some responsibility for their actions.
Good overview Qunitas. In my opinion the only way we are going to fight obesity in women is when men vote with their penises. That is to say that men do not fuck fatties under no circumstances. Do not even date a fattie. But today men are so desperate for female attention they will latch on to anything with a hairy hole to fuck. We all see this way too often: halfway good looking to really god looking guys hanging with huge sacks of pig vomit, example below. It’s going to be an uphill battle for sure, but for those who have expatted or simply travelled outside the anglosphere consider yourselves the enlightened ones, because the blue pill men are eating shit and thinking it’s caviar.
http://www.returnofkings.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/09privacy-600.jpg
“That is to say that men do not fuck fatties under no circumstances. Do not even date a fattie.”
This is much easier said than done, because fat women are everywhere around us, even my brother is dating one.
Yup, they are everywhere and Third Wave Feminism is training men to think obesity is acceptable.
Yep. Just last week I saw a decent looking guy holding hands with a fat chick and did a WTF double take.
This problem though, effects just as many men as women. We need to shame fat men just as much as fat women, because it’s the man’s job to lead.
My cousin’s wife started off (pre-child) at 105lbs soaking wet in heavy clothes. She’s now (5 years after the last kid 190lbs ~5’3″) a fattie. What is he to do now? He’s married, against my advice, but she’s got papers on him now. He can’t easily leave, at least not if he wants any time with his kids. (or to keep any of his money)
Some men genuinely find big women attractive. I’m one of them. I will love my girlfriend at any size, but truthfully, I think she’s beautiful as she is and wouldn’t really want her to lose weight. One of my friends is about 400 pounds and she dates a personal trainer who loves her just the way she is. Could I date a skinny woman? Sure. But I have no interest in that.
What is he to do now? Enjoy his situation. Women gain weight after having kids. It’s biological.
Assuming your comment is true and not trolling, it doesn’t change the fact that your personal preferences are not at issue here.
Again, the issue is not you. It’s not about you. It’s about the good of the human race and the good of society.
Your may love to roll in blubber, but it is a fringe fetish and a perversity.
No, it isn’t. It’s no more a fetish than liking women with blonde hair or liking thin women is. It’s simply what I find attractive.
This is not about the human race or society. This is about you demanding that people conform to what YOU think is attractive. This is about YOUR personal preference and nothing more. You don’t like fat women, so you don’t think anyone should be allowed to be fat. This is America, and we have the freedom to live our lives the way we want.
The issue is you, and that’s sad. You can say it’s about the human race and society to try to make yourself feel better, but you’re not fooling anyone intelligent. This is all about YOU.
He (if it even is a he) is trolling. In one of his comments he says that male preference for thin women is essentially the result of a homosexual conspiracy.
Some guys like thicker women- I understand that. But no one is that stupid.
He’s flapping and flailing around on this forum like a fish out of water because someone hurt his precious feelings. Just ban him and be done with it.
Fat shaming should extend to those whom accept the obese. When my father gained weight I told him it was disgraceful and disrespectful to the family. He went on a no red meat diet and lost 30 lbs.
In what way is dating a fat woman because “she’s around” different from
the fat woman eating a box of donuts because “it’s around”?
It’s just two sides of the same lack of dignity coin.
If anything, she has a better excuse. At least the box of donuts is actually well packaged and attractive. .
Getting off is fat free, tighter, and does not cause callouses. 🙂
That’s why God invented liver.
It’s so sad to see people flushing their relatively good geenes down the toilet by mating with such monstrosities.
Well, I suppose somebody had to feel sorry for you guys at some point.
And you are such a loser that even the fatty you supposedly have sex with takes pity on you through sex.
Honestly, I don’t care less what other people do with themselves as long as they take responsibility for their actions/decisions, accept whatever consequences there are, and do not affect others with their actions/decisions. Which does not happen in real life of course. The very worst thing about these obese women (and men) is the effect they have on their children. I have never ever seen obese women with children who are not themselves obese or at least gettting there. Currently, it is on the books that letting a child get obese is child abuse. At least there is still something that obese women can be criminally held accountable for.
I have never dated a thin woman, and I never wanted to. I don’t even notice thin women, honestly.
Just… stop.
You go a long way in describing libertarianism’s shortcomings.
Totally agreed with that last bit about food on the road. In the late 90’s and early 2000’s, when I was still a kid/teenager, my family and I drove down from New York to Florida every summer. I can’t even remember one place to eat that would offer a healthy meal on the road. It was all fast food, and when you could find a decent restaurant, there wasn’t many healthy options either. I’m fortunate to come from a family that has good genetics so it didn’t matter much to us (we could probably eat whatever and not gain a single pound), but for people that aren’t in our situation, they’re put into a box of ignorance and without choice.
It’s probably no coincidence that obesity rates began to rise after the Federal Highway Act.
libertarianism’s shortcomings: Noticing the government gets involved and screws something up and thinking maybe it isn’t the best idea to ask the same government to fix it. Big companies have the regulating agencies in their pockets. Giving those agencies more power isn’t going to get them out of their pockets, it’s just going to make the corporations more powerful.
No need to tell me. Unlike Quintus I blame the government-industrial complex more for the present situation than the individual. The best solution is to repeal the farm bills, get the government out of subsidizing most of all corn, and introduce mechanisms to price in fattiness.
My agreement with him is more or less on the attitudes. You are not an island unto yourself. Your rights do not extend as far as completely neglecting your responsibilities of not being a burden on everyone else.
Fast food used to be relatively healthy. At McDonald’s, shakes had milkfat, fries were fried in lard. People knew sugar was bad so they limited soda consumption.
Then government got involved and demonized fat and lard, and subsidized corn. Now everything is filled with corn syrup and fries are fried in vegetable oil. And people may avoid fatty food like the plague but they are no longer concerned about a 32 oz soda.
I think it has more to do with portion sizes. The original adult value meal was A Cheeseburger, Small fry, Small coke (Actually a child sized) for a total of 630 calories. A normal meal now would be a double cheeseburger, medium fry, and medium coke for 1020 calories. That’s a big difference.
Yes, the increase in portion size is a big factor. Also, fatty foods are among the cheapest foods at the supermarket, so people buy and eat them to save money.
On a diet of nothing but water, coffee, heavy cream and cheddar cheese I can lean out and muscle up.
The price of food does not force me to force it down my gullet or prevent me from going to the park, doing some pushups, pullups and having a nice walk after.
Nor can one in any way save money by overeating, no matter how cheap the food. That is the puzzlement of obesity being associated with people who cannot afford food.
Some things to think about: Cheap foods are not cheap because they are fatty. Fatty foods are some of the most expensive in the world. They are cheap because the fat is of plant origin and hydrogenated. They are paletable because they are sugared and they have bulk because they fluffed up with starches and fiber.
These sorts of fatty foods are entirely unlike my cheddar cheese washed down with creamed (no sugar) coffee.
Mass fluoridation using hydro fluorocilic acid is the root cause obesity in USA, along with high fructose corn syrup and junk food. There is no escape from these poisons until FDA bans it from the public.
“You are not a special snowflake. You don’t have the right to do whatever you want. You are part of a group to which you owe duties and responsibilities. One of those duties is not to harm your fellow man. And you are harming your fellow man with your appearance and attitude. ”
Basically reworded feminist talking points. How about:
“You are not a special snowflake. You don’t have the right to do whatever you want. You are part of a group to which you owe duties and responsibilities. One of those duties is not to harm your fellow man. And you are harming your fellow man by not being a reliable beta provider for a Bernankified slut and her children.”
Excellent article. Unfortunately, Western men (some) are also taking the path of least resistance and getting fat and seemingly not having a problem sleeping with these obese women. That should not be tolerated. The other issue being that chubby/portly women in North America actually believe they are slim because they are measuring themselves against obese women, which is frightening. Line them up against a 22yr old Slav and the viewpoint is different. Everytime I travel, I can spot Canadians and Americans sheerly by size and their dangerous affinity for Starbucks in any country. Speaking of Starbucks, what a hidden source of obesity driving behaviour. While traditional fast food joints are rightfully shamed for their contribution to the worlds pool of ‘unbangable’ women, Starbucks gets a free pass despite serving up 600 calorie drinks to the portly crowd. This should be shamed. I now imagine in my mind a woman scarfing down a double whopper everytime i see one consuming a frapaccino on the run. I fear this trend is unstoppable.
Fat people, there is only one way to lose weight: Eat less and don’t cheat and don’t expect immediate results. Cut your typical portions by 50% or more and do this for months. It takes time. You will be hungry. Don’t start exercising seriously until you’ve slimmed down a bit from the diet – you’ll cheat on the diet and the risk of injury is greater for fat asses.
Excellent article. Im exited about fat shaming week. It disgusts me to see these people in public. Something the article touches on and a topic I have discussed with my friends is the lack of self respect people have. I see women on the bus stuffed into “yoga” pants. They are so fat one can see every aspect of their fat pussies. Do they care? No.
Also, one would think since these people are ugly as fuck that they would at least be nice. But the opposite is actually true.
The most important thing I hope people notice is that fat people are not just “fat people” but symbolic of how far down the toilet the human race has came. To me fat people more accurately fat women symbolize all that I hate about society.
Somewhat related: Tom Hanks has announced that he has Type 2 diabetes.
Yes, because he put on a lot of weight and ate shitty foods, repeatedly, for various acting roles.
Fat people should be shamed. I’d love to walk around naked but let’s forget for a second I’d be arrested, I’d also have all sorts of pictures taken of me and people would both scream and run from me and laugh and point.
Now this article was good read and I enjoyed it. I didn’t enjoy some of the more governmental solutions to the problem as I see the government as the major cause. It isn’t attitudes alone that caused this situation. We have a worship government, public school, University, FDA etc. situation to blame for a lot of this.
Did you know?
In classical Sparta, citizens were publicly whipped if they became too fat.
Now this I like….
Since you raise the issue, I am a big believer in the idea that a severe crisis calls for severe measures.
That’s why I’ve argued for fat registrations, sanctions against fatties. It would be wonderful if they could be subjected to forced labor or floggings.
There is too much mollycoddling in America, too much “tolerance” which is a cover for weakness of will.
I concur.
(Not that I’m in the best of shape myself, but i’m on my own agoge at present.)
Maybe there should be compulsory military service for 2 years at 18-20, instead of college? Physical training, discipline and vocational schooling, all in one fell swoop
QUOTE: “There is too much mollycoddling in America, too much “tolerance” which is a cover for weakness of will.”
Unless one is a heterosexual male, then he can expect outright hatred thrown at him.
“No one is an island unto himself…”
Best phrase ever, considering the context.
All good points, but I think they paint a clear picture we don’t want to see.
We are not a society anymore.
Inclusive morality, patriotism, etc. is propaganda for suckers to be suckers. We forget the contextual truth of our existence. Natural selection is not optional. Resources are limited and we cultivate fitness or fatness depending on your social standards. The truth will assert itself, and useful idiots will be culled by their own unsustainable weight, so it is not like I have to do anything, but it used to be we did not coddle this shit because the patriarchy maintained control. Now the balloon payment is both unavoidable and inalterable. It happens when it happens. Enjoy the decline. For many of us, that means raising our fat exceptance for ONS. lol The law of conservation is not breakable.
You overlook the fact that an increasingly authoritarian government is FORCING the healthiest to shoulder the burdens created by the unhealthiest. Whether we like it or not, we are being forcibly linked to the dregs of humanity.
We are like an Olympic mountain-climber who is safety-roped to a bloated freak. When the freak falls into a crevasse, so will we.
The government is permitting the dregs to set the agenda, to drive the cultural climate, and to force changes in the moral code.
If there does not come a window of opportunity, there will at least come a moment of truth where a man maximizes cost to his oppressors or never will. SEC workers surfing porn all day are not going to be reliable admins for da Nu Wurld Oder. Some who harbor dissent will fall through the cracks. They directly control only boundary conditions of money and such.
Evolution and nature work by ebb and flow. If none of us make it at the next big moment of truth that resets societal order (Amer. Civil War, WWII, ), nature will patiently rebuild to allow others to attempt something greater than the best Western culture has been. You can’t kill an idea, or the fact that the steel age is possible, or the fact that the industrial age is possible, or the fact that a new system of Western patriarch is possible. It is only a matter of the quality of people available. Life coachs to the level of talent it has and make the best of it.
To me, saying govern forces us in caps without another consideration is like saying women force us to marry sluts or buy them drinks. This is a test of how we will live and die if nothing else, but for some there will be opportunity, even among us. What concerns me is the lack of courage to even entertain the idea and ideal of male popular sovereignty, a free market of violence, and a law and order of patriarchs working together and sometimes against each other to work out the bugs and garbage and to marry responsibility and privilege of the first order in the hand and minds of the males who can do that best. What made modernity was regular white men from western Europe willing for fight for themselves as autonomous individuals looking out for their best interests. There is no way a few can control the many indefinitely. It is not natural to gather and contain that much control in one place.
Nature is dynamic about a balance point that changes with innovation or just the more mundane balance of power. The chance to decide the order of Western society has happened about once a lifetime. People forget history, remember only the history of living memory, and stopping doing what is necessary to avoid systemic catastrophy. It is regular. It has been a lifetime roughly since WWII. The book The Fourth Turning explains the cycle, and we will either reset or fall into a long period of darkness, even elimination, but I think humanity very likely will carry on, even if the batton of freedom is picked up by the posterity of the NWO.
If the aloof masters win completely, they must still govern themselves. If they are no better than we are, they will fail miserable in time, costly time for us and for human progress, but in time nevertheless. Evolution cares not.
I don’t say stick you neck out now. That would be stupid. However, like with getting the pussy, there is a time to pounce. Masculinity conquers. All human social order, pathetic or wonderful, requires conquering and ruling masculinity. The feminine is not cultural, is not societal: it is feral and destructive unless domesticated and wisely harnessed. It is up to each of us as a man to decide what and if his stand will be. Context is a large part of truth about any situation, and it should be weighed carefully.
As Rahm E said, crisis is opportunity. There is no patent on natural law, my friends. May the force be with you. For now, Jedi are wise to avoid confrontation with stormtroopers, but this army of politically useful idiots will not be sustainable. Game gives us seduction skills and freedom to think philosophically above the bleating of the herd.
Opportinity is my point. I hope to inspire hope. I hope men of this sphere will consider not just what they are against but what they are for, who they are in potential and fact, and how they wish to spend their lives. If you could call the shots, what would they be? Will you follow the first charismatic Musselini, or will you use logic and stand on principles but also monitor for recipricity and prune your team society. Evolution does not sleep.
Perhaps it is darkest before the dawn. The control structure as it is is unstoppable by rival human force because of its leverage and positioning and currency with the masses, but its corrupt nature means its days are numbered, finite, and the elites have exit strategies in mind. The byproduct of the banking system harvest is a shrinking middle class, of middle class producers first but of all eventually. You see the ‘make a difference’ parasites moralizing in all the media, but they don’t have rights except that those in charge humor them for their purposes and not ours.
Producers are being increasingly hampered and the guns and the currency can’t force people to sell what they don’t have, or what they need to live another day if they have any humanity leave in themselves.
Figure out your principles now, and you will know what to do under whatever circumstances that will arrive. There is never a guarantee of success, and if you want one, you are with the herd in raising a corrupt power of the collective to bind your neighbor to your failings. The weak cling to the strong. Game for getting laid parallels the other aspects of masculinity so well, except for how fun or scary the pursuit is. I know the approach anxiety to ideas themselves is out there. It has prevented me from social and financial success. I keep it to myself unless I feel there is a decent reward to risk ratio. I’ve laid it out for anyone reading this to consider. I know most will reject this. I realize the next stage of Western development, of Western greatness, in the political and cultural, needed to balance with out technological advance, requires a critical mass and purity of capable men, and I doubt I will get to be part of it, but see the light, not in religious terms, but I see humanity must follow a path the fits nature, like stones to metals. Our social techniques are weak. We will not educate the world to lift up humanity. Evolution makes progress by uglier means. Masculinity is about strong minds and stomachs, and competition. I can’t see that 10th-generation coupon clippers are better than me and a few of you in the long run. The Manosphere is looking for answers. What now? What will we become? Is getting laid all there is?
You know the quality of women and of men is degrading. You know the grid we are on is not going to be there for us forever. You know how evolution works. You know how history is, with the evolution of culture and societies. Some people never get a fighting chance because evolution calls many and chooses few to make sure there is fighting, there is fitness testing, and we know the fitness of most Westerners is very, very lacking.
Moral code is a very important concept. If no one can tell you your moral code in regards to pussy, who is forcing you to have a political moral code against yourself. We pretend to be things for pussy. We can pretend to be things for politics and getting fed by the gubermont tit. Take care of yourselves, brothers, and just know who you are. That and acquiring resources and getting by is all you need to manage now. I know lots of Game lifestyle brothers say don’t worry about what you can’t change. True, but they don’t aspire to even knowing what they would have if they could make the rules as male popular soveriegns. For now, try to control your castle, but you will see the truth of bros before hoes. If you put your family before your patriarchy, eventually you loose both. At some point, playing defense, playing it safe, will run out of road. Great men make roads, and men who are not great die somewhat easily. The privilege of being the indisposable sex of culture is to be the disposable sex of nature. All I am suggesting is that you as a man consider what roads you would take if you had to fight, and to consider what having nothing left to loose. The throng of useful idiots will reach the point of nothing left to loose, and that will create crisis followed by elbow room, and that, my friends, is opportunity. If your current lords cease that day, then you have not, and the die will be cast for another saeculum, and posterity will belong to the elite. If they are that much smarter than we are, then Mother Nature is calling it progress. Frankly, I would prefer a weeding out of the gene pool, but I don’t want a centralized human authority calling the shots. We got here from a perverse kind of weeding to make a domesticated population. If they can make it work, the human species divides in two, and you are on the low side. Good news is, like always, you have plenty of useful idiots to use all around you if you can work it. Sheeple, it’s what’s for dinner, one way or another. That is the scary truth.
There have been a lot of comments alleviating the obese and weak of will from their responsibilities as an individual and it’s this kind of pandering that’s dragged society down.
I Loved this article, it was well written and it underlies that most of the problems we face today are society based. A severe decline in standards, ambition, self respect and morality are too broad a problem to be fixed with “incentives”. It’s in the way that people think. don’t tell me you pity the weak willed man who lets others walk over him, as It’s his lack of assertiveness and self respect that make him a victim, just as it’s poor will power that makes people obese. It’s not the ghastly mash that passes for food that’s responsible because the law of thermodynamics shows us that weight control is as simple as calories in/calories out, regardless of the makeup of the food.
There are always choices in life and everyone truly reaps what he sows, to find who is at fault one must only find someone willing to lay blame, and in an age of seemingly no personal responsibility there are plenty of people to fit the bill.
Humanity needs a good thinning.
“….It’s not the ghastly mash that passes for food that’s responsible because the law of thermodynamics shows us that weight control is as simple as calories in/calories out, regardless of the makeup of the food….”
This has been scientifically shown to be incorrect. Certain types of food — carbs for instance — provoke insulin release which, in a genetically oversensitive person, causes accelerated fat storage. In other persons, these calories are translated directly to body heat. Some naturally lean people break into a sweat if they eat too much.
So, yea, calories don’t magically vanish, but genetically different people on exactly the same diet will gain different amounts of weight. Some may gain and while others will lose. This has been experimentally verified in controlled experiments. .
The problem is that the GOVERNMENT DIETARY ADVICE of the last 40 years has been totally wrong, with the anti-fat/anti-meat emphasis. If you have the wrong genetics, a carb rich diet will make you fatter and fatter over time, no matter how many miles you run and no matter how many tons of iron you pump….speaking from bitter personal experience.
Since the government got it so wrong to begin with, I don’t trust them to fix it. We must fix ourselves.
Right to the point.
Since I started cutting down on carbs and eating more meat and real food I feel better than ever.
The obsession with good/bad food is part
of the problem. Healthy food only yields
healthier fatsos. The problem is Americans
think they need to eat every 4 hours.
Fact is you will not find too many thin people who don’t
regularly skip meals. Humans are
supposed to fast.
Until the 1960s, the Catholic Church ordered its members to fast for Lent. Of course, that’s now considered outdated — like being thin.
I agree with the sentiment, but dont care for some of Quintus’s more em.. fascist style solutions. Like sterilization and registration. Boot camps etc. But this isn’t the way to solve the problem. Society has always had its undesirables.. Lepers, the town retard, deformed people. The problem is that now the state supports and helps these people exist. Medicaid for your diabetes and rascal scooter, food stamps, subsidized crap food. End all these and the problem will go away for itself.
Was all good until the government imposition and the part about harm to others. I have a ton of ideas about free speech , the right to bang whomever , etc. that makes my lefty friends recoil in horror. Let’s not be as bad as them to get our way.
From a General: “Obesity is a National Security Issue”
Time to create a critical Federal office, the Department of Fat Shaming.
There is no need for men to be hypocrites on this.
Fat women are disgusting, but so are fat men. Jack Black as “Shallow Hal” is hardly a paragon of the human form.
In this community, there is plenty of motivation and encouragement for men to become their best selves. Resignation to being fat is neither healthy nor satisfying.
All the brothers here know about struggle and sacrifice for fitness.
To be sure, shame works. Tears motivate.
But we need to give these sisters hope too. Fat acceptance activists preach resignation that one lacks the power and motivation to do better.
Whenever I see one of those corn-fed American girls, it’s such a shame. I imagine the cutie trapped inside who probably could look better than Taylor Swift if she’d just put in the effort.
Sisters, let your inner cutie out. You’ll feel better and be much happier.
Thin-Skinned Masta-Beta
I never gave fat men a pass. They should be bludgeoned into submission as well.
I’ve watched Shallow Hal. All I can say is: all of us who actually use our eyes have that magical power, all the time. And the magical power is called “reality”.
We can only hope
Love your writing, but if I were obese, I wouldn’t lose weight because it’s what’s best for “society” (a non-entity). I’d do it because it’s what’s best for me. Shaming works, but as an appeal to self-interest. (As in with airfare taxes for two-seaters.)
I know you wouldn’t do it for the greater good.
That’s why I would force you to do it, whether you wanted to, or not.
You are not harmed by another’s appearance. And you certainly don’t know, as you walk by them in the mall, whether or not they have a thyroid problem or other medical issue. Yes, a stunning number of Americans are obese, but their XXXL jeans do not affect you one iota.
It pollutes my eyes
I would imagine somewhere over 75% of the males reading this forum the most are fat/unattractive/poorly dressed if not all 3. I guess since we’re housecleaning do we start with them also? Or just the obese women? I’m down with obese women first as long as the 350-lb guy trying to wedge his ass and his cronut box into the airline seat next to me is next against the wall.
http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/12/10/fat-women-and-fat-men-arent-equally-repulsive/
Thin women do that for mine. You don’t hear me complaining. I feel sympathy for them, but I don’t complain.
No.
They do affect us. That is where you are insensitive, blind, and wrong.
Their very presence is an affront to the upward inclination of our biological imperative.
They are the physical representation of a corrupt, degenerate, and base conception of the human condition.
I wish to elevate man. I wish to ennoble man. We are humanists.
Your view represents the debasement of humanity.
You wish to drag man through the mud of your namby-pamby weakness disguised as tolerance.
You let a woman make you feel that way? An obese woman?
Wow, no wonder you blame feminism for your many issues.
Me, I just don’t look at them. There are smoking hot babes all over NYC. I look at those girls. But you keep eye-balling the fatties!
“Me, I just don’t look at them”.
Well, gee, Mr. Cleaver, how admirable. How wonderful.
The issue here isn’t whether you look at them or not. As Rome burned, Nero fiddled away on his lyre, oblivious to the smoke and horror around him.
“But from where I sit, Lucius, everything looks fine! What do you mean, fire? Fire? Where? There are smoking hot babes all over the place?”
See my point?
Your comment says: I don’t give a shit that the femininity of the country is drowning under rolls of blubber.
It’s this type of selfish attitude that our father’s generation adopted, this type of willful blindness, that got us to this situation.
Are we angry about it? You’d fucking better believe it. We’re angry because we care.
Apparently you don’t give a shit. Wonderful. Maybe you’re wiser than I am.
But it’s not in my DNA to just curl up in a ball and surrender.
I, and all of us at ROK, will not be silent. We will not retreat one inch, we will not back down, and we will be heard.
“The issue here isn’t whether you look at them or not.”
What do women crave?
Wrong.
It’s money out of the wallets of healthy people to subsidize their fatness. Not to mention that they are an excuse for further government attempts to erode the freedom of healthy people to curb their bad habits.
Also,
they’re fugly.
Fat people have values and wants and needs, and they screw things up for the able by wanting a free lunch over and over again. *heh* They let any fatard vote in this democracy now. Fodder for my enemy to hurt me is my enemy hurting me. It’s not the jeans, it’s the XXXL genes and memes that hurt good people. We’ve had it, already.
I beg to differ.
http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2008/03/07/obesity-to-blame-for-game/
Very strong article. You don’t pull any punches! Picked out one point. Low-fat is not correlated with healthy. I’d rather follow the water, cheese, cashews, almonds, fresh veggies, grass-fed meats, coffee and heavy cream diet (love that comment!). Carbs are bad for most people. Definitely for me I need to ‘eat right for my blood type’ (O-neg). Am naturally muscular and love meat. Used to eat more sugars but have trained myself to see them as harmful and avoid them most of
the time. except on my weekly ‘cheat day.’ Avocados rock! As a result,
my energy levels stay high, immune system is strong and I stay lean.
People are better off (mindfully) substituting fats for HFCS. I think
we’re on the same page but just wanted to emphasize.
Yes the GMOs and god knows what else in American fast foot will hurt / sicken
you and it’s one reason I am digusted living / eating in America. But
when people do travel they can make simple choices like bringing water
and flavoring it with stevia or xylitol and lemon, or the ‘little goes a
long way’ route.
My father died three years ago from heart disease which started as type 2 diabetes. He was a fruit juice / bread / paste / rice junkie (also a type O). I didn’t understand the link between diet, diabetes and heart disease but get it now. While it’s not a scholarly piece, ‘Fat Head Movie’ by Tom Naughton is far more insightful and scientific than ‘Supersize Me’ which Naughton ends up debunking. Fast food doesn’t have to make you FAT (although it’s not the basis for a healthy lifestyle!).
Two videos worth grokking:
Fat Head Movie
Sugar: The Bitter Truth
Sugar: the bitter truth is an excellent educational video I have seen many times.
If you can be harmed simply by how another person looks, you’re kind of a pussy, don’t you think?
This nonsense again?
Fatties:
* steal our tax dollars for public hospital care and steal our health plan premiums to treat their diabetes/heart disease/ blood pressure,
* steal our children’s health by encouraging obesity, and
* steal away attractive women by creating an atmosphere that condones overeating and converting them into more fatties.
That’s more than enough reason to complain.
Now go stuff your mouth with more donuts and shut the fuck up.
This might be the dumbest thought I have ever seen anywhere, period. Obesity isn’t a threat at all, and you claim it’s a bigger threat than Al-Qaeda?
Al-Qaeda is one of the biggest threats known to this world. Deer running across the road are a bigger threat than obesity.
http://i.imgur.com/zRdmMwQ.gif
I think he puts it succinctly ;D
http://mayhaan.blogspot.com/2012/07/fat.html
Considering the Al-Qaeda is the offspring of the CIA and Bin Laden’s family were the only people allowed to fly on 9/11 after the attacks, I don’t think this article is saying too much.
However, the CIA is itself is a bigger threat than Obesity and just about any other societal illness plaguing current-day western society.
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