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Fat Shaming Week Was A Corpulent Success

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The exposure that Fat Shaming Week received has exceeded our expectations. Here are some outlets that helped spread the word:

Things really exploded with the #FatShamingWeek hashtag, where there was a nuclear war between fat shamers and fat enablers. Nearly 10,000 tweets were exchanged, including several from radio host Tom Leykis:

Credit for the hastag idea goes to ROK contributor and fat shaming innovator Ray Starke, whose article How To Control Your Woman’s Diet caused great outrage a couple weeks ago. Here are all 18 fat shaming posts that we published, in the order they appeared:

I ask you, dear reader, what outlet has advanced fat shaming as much as we have? We promised you a buffet of fat shaming and I think we delivered. Most importantly, we’re still here. We have survived a week of rage and no fat shamer has lost his job. This fact alone suggests that fat acceptance has peaked. They no longer have the power to halt fat criticism.

FSW was a success because it helped create a safe space for men to shame obesity. In the past, fat apologists have silenced fat shamers under the guise of “hate” or “bigotry,” but this week we exercised our free speech right to air grievances and have a clear dialogue of all the negative societal and physical manifestations of fat.

I am a true believer in personal liberty where you should be able to make your own life choices. For that reason, there is no inherent crime in being a fat ass, but in the past five years, there has been a push to accept obesity as normal or even beautiful. Fat shaming is less about bullying individual fat people than re-affirming the fact that obesity culture is not okay in America, and attempts to brainwash people of that fiction must be immediately destroyed with logic, science, and schoolyard insults.

I believe FSW reached some people who were a bit confused on the mixed messages that society was sending them on beauty and health, especially millenials who have grown up thinking that any type of criticism—no matter how righteous—is “bullying.” It is our responsibility as citizens and lovers of beauty to shame any attempts at fat apologia. They have been getting away with promoting obesity for too long, and it’s time for that to stop.

On the behalf of the ROK staff, we thank you for your tweets and comments about this important cultural issue. God bless you and your shaming efforts.

Read Next: Top 14 Tweets From Fat Shaming Week

514 thoughts on “Fat Shaming Week Was A Corpulent Success”

      1. If it’s about fatness, shouldn’t it slowly increase in “girth”?
        Also, shouldn’t the ribbon that goes with it slowly get larger in size?

    3. Why bother, hardly any feminist was even worked up enough to comment on this site. Maybe they were using silence as a weapon. Hell, 99% of the feminist comments here were by trolls.

    1. Great comment and link. Maria Kang is very attractive. The pregnant, weightlifting chick in the bottom of the article is a real smoke show too. Fat
      b!tche$ be fat. Its all the sugar in that Hater-Ade they’re drinking.

  3. Do I need to tell you again;
    Do not use FSM, the Flying Spaghetti Monster does not approve of this site.

      1. I think you’ve misunderstood the meaning of gay. It has nothing to do with religion, it’s something that is in the human nature.
        “the way God intended one might say”

    1. i can see that young man in the picture is hoping for a long-term, committed relationship with that walking manatee, proof that being obese does not hurt the womans chances with men. Perhaps they will produce half-man, half-manatee children.

        1. Yes it’s female. I’m no expert but I believe the male manatee is even larger and hairier.

    2. Yeah, I’m more disgusted with the thirsty dude than the actual fat. Desperate mofos are a big part of the problem.

  7. Fellas, I hate to get off topic, but question: Have y’all ever caught a bunch of shit for growing a beard? So, I’m rock this nascent, fledging beard, and the younger girls I work around are really into it. They’re talking about it, touching it, etc. However, the older, frumpy feminist types are giving me shit about. Are these old feminist types anti-beard b/c it looks masculine and the younger chicks dig it?
    Anybody have a similar experience of beard-hate? Roosh?

    1. So, I’m rock this nascent, fledging beard, and the younger girls I work
      around are really into it. They’re talking about it, touching it, etc.
      However, the older, frumpy feminist types are giving me shit about.
      In other words, beards are a good idea.

    2. I’m pissed at how there is NOTHING available in the men’s sections of stores with large grooming sections for men who want to grow/trim/maintain fine facial hair. All assumptions are that “men’s facial hair is something women can’t have so it must be bad/ men can’t have it either” and everything is about removing all traces of it. I rock a 6″ (and growing) chinbeard, so long as it’s tidy my employers seem to be OK with it. It doesn’t suit me particularly well but I consider it an expression of masculine pride.

    3. Only when first growing it out. I looked like a bum the first two weeks and when I’d go in a gas station I’d get the stink eye like they thought I was going to hold the joint up.
      Then after I got my full on booming Taliban beard, it was a chick magnet. Not every chick mind you, but let’s say that the amount of glances, smiles, and double takes I got compared to me with non-beard was like a revelation. No exaggeration. My beard was powerful.
      I trimmed it off during the summer but it’s Fall and growing back to full glory. Every should stop shaving for 4-8 weeks and see how it looks on him and how it goes. You never know it might be the optimized look for you.

        1. [email protected]
          I had a beard for many years. I shaved it off when it turned grey. I refuse to dye it. When the hair on my head turns grey (what little there still is) I will grow my beard back. The women that don’t like beards will give you shit or ignore you; so what. The women that like beards really like men with beards.

    4. I have had some mighty beards in the past. I have to say that the only time I had people dislike my beard is when it was growing out. That seems pretty consistant with everyone elses experiences. Also remember that not all women are attracted to beards.

    5. I guess it has to do with the changing job market. A beard means two things: either you are unemployed, or you work in a job so cool that you don´t need to use a suit in the office and you can look whatever you like (meaning: you work in a start-up/show-business/media/others). If you look cool, then it means you have power.

  8. If your goal was to get the world to laugh at you and realize how truly pathetic you are, then yes, you’ve succeeded.

    2. I’m laughing at YOU for laughing at THIS! Bazinga, LOL! Really? I mean, REALLY? What… The actual… Fuck? That was so gangsta! Pathetic!
      I think that’s all of them. Did I miss one, Miss? Sorry, sorry, I mean “Ms.”

  9. If your girl looks like a human Cinnabon or a Butterball, make her feel like shit!
    WTF, that being said by morbidly obese Nazi scumbag Tom Leykis. Such a grandiose endorsement LOL

  11. I may have to add ‘Fat Shaming Innovator’ to my CV, cheers Roosh!
    The whole week has been genius, and despite the wailing of a small but vocal group of feminists – I think the #FatShamingWeek campaign has injected a healthy dose of contrarian thought into the ‘Body Positivity’ echo chamber.
    I look forward to the next RoK societal-improvement campaign….

  12. #FatShamingWeek? You’re using too much logic. Logic is bullying. Stop it!
    Let’s have #CupcakeAdorationWeek instead. Or maybe celebrate #FattiesTheOtherWhiteMeat?

  13. Fat Shaming Week was great. So much fun protecting actual true beauty and finally calling out the fat cunts that create excuses for themselves.

  14. Congrats, Roosh. I especially like your points that being overweight does often indicate defects in one’s character, and that shaming can be a constructive way of bringing about a change in habits.
    That being said, I think we also need Drunk Shaming Week and Slut Shaming Weeks, but I’m not holding my breath for those on this site…

  15. To those comparing fat men to fat broads.
    Things that can compensate for being a fat dude:
    1. Big Dick, 2. Big Money, 3. Big Following …
    Things that can compensate for being a fat chick:
    1. Nothing, 2. Nothing, 3. Nothing, …
    Capiche?

    1. YOU: 1. Small Dick, 2.Broke Ass, 3. No one gives a fuck.
      Fat Chicks:
      1. Big Tits, 2. Great Personality, 3. Intelligent.
      When women get fat, they compensate with a great education and personality. When assholes like you are fat, they shove their non existent personalities into their non-existent dicks in hope of an erection. Try Viagra, asshole.

      1. Bahaha! @c8a901373bff96ed470493bc37c1d78d:disqus had the best reply! @ea4fe3f7ee601be6fcb42ab75038eab6:disqus was owned xD

        2. You have low standards. That reply was dripping with butthurt anger. Big Lovin was most definitely not owned.

      2. Sorry “Big Tits” but nobody cares. If you are fat, nothing else matters. Personality and intelligence matters, only if you are not obese.

        3. ya. put her ass on a diet. i wouldnt want my family to be unhealthy. This is the sort of nonsense perpetuated by the politically correct media to promote viewership instead of facing reality. If being fat is alright then why dont you go watch some honey boo boo and not worry about us (logical people.)

        4. I will not have an obese daughter, since I am not obese and my future wife will not be obese… and I don´t live in the land of cheap high-fructose syrup. If she is gay, well, her choice. Is she becomes obese, well, to the shrink, friends and the hospital to see how we can solve the problem, since it is a problem.

        7. Yes I am. Too many young single girls that still think that I am in my early 30s. What can I do?

        8. you do realise that obesity is actually linked a lot to depression and depression is on the increase because of all the bullies out there picking on people, that are beautiful no matter what their weight is or how they look. Nobodys perfect and if you think you are then you need to take a long good look at yourself and realise that yes people do have problems with their weight and you know what? a lot of people have low self esteem anyway… how would you feel if someone was picking on you for something ? like crap , thats how youd feel. So take a long good look at yourself and realise that you are hurting peoples feelings by saying all of this

        9. Your society is spoiled honey. When people tried to bully me as a kid I bit the asshole till his hand bled, and I fought back. Then no one ever tried to bully me again in my life. When I fell in a drug induced depression suicidal depression, I cleared up, exercised two hours a week, changed my diet and watched funny movies. When I was reaching the depth of loserdom, and chronic depression, sleeping all day, my father woke me up one morning, took me to the bathroom, stripped me naked and pushed into a cold shower spat and told these words I will never forget: you’re not a man. I swore that I was thinking to kill him. I have never felt this kind of rage. Since that day, i banished words from my vocabulary like boohoohoo, being a victim, depression and other bullshit excuses that the feel good everyone is happy, and oh my precious feelings bullcrap. Did my “feelings” get hurt. Definetly. Did my father make the wrong decisions nope. Is my life better, hell yeah!! Thank you father, and i swear that i ll give military style education to my children so they don’t grow up pussies.

        10. We’re not saying being fat is alright; it’s unhealthy. However, that’s not an excuse to treat someone like shit. Just like it’s not fair for people to bash you guys because you don’t like big people/big women… Yet we do it to each other anyway. And honestly, the majority of people do not respond to negative criticism. While all this ‘fat shaming’ may make the critics feel better, the majority of the bigger audience receiving it aren’t responding well. Just saying. If you want to actually make a legitimate difference in people’s weight, become a nutritionist or counselor.

      3. Why not just compensate by getting to a healthy fat ratio? That would make the most sense. Everything else is just wishful thinking. For instance, calling people “assholes” just because you don’t agree with their point of view is not suggesting a “great personality”. The rest of the comment is not evidence of “intelligence” either.

        1. If you were rational, you would see you can’t demand from others what kind of ‘fat ratio’ they need to have in order to satisfy your desires. You obviously have no right whatsoever to shame others or tell them what to do. If you think you have that right, call a lawyer or the police. If you can’t, it’s obviously none of your business.

        2. In context, the suggestion to compensate by getting a healthy fat ratio is absolutely rational. So, nice try.
          As far as shaming others… who is doing that. Those who call people “assholes” simply for not disagreeing or those who point out that compensation in other forms is less effective than just adjusting the attribute exhibited?
          Bullying (as in trolling sites with name-calling) is absolutely everyone’s business.

        4. Sorry nancy. I don’t know what the laws are like in Holland, but here in America, I have EVERY right to shame others. I can say whatever the fuck I want to.

        5. Don’t be dense Nancy, no one is immune from criticism or shaming and “telling people what to do” happens all the time in human societies. (in fact you’re telling us what to do in your comment that says we have no right to do the same).
          Behavioral and personal standards are a necessary and integral part of a human society, and shaming and “telling people what to do” are time honored ways of enforcing this.

      4. I love your sassy, blubbery personality. Land whales are sexy, we should hook up.
        Now, where’s my forklift.

      5. The most intelligent women I know use their intelligence to figure out how to be healthy. Yes, even the one with fibromyalgia, who is literally one of the most beautiful women in mind, body and spirit I have ever met.

      6. You don’t know about his dick or wallet, baseless insult, and *you* don’t give a fuck, we do.
        1 : Big tits on fatties aren’t attractive tits, as one of the twitter posts already pointed.
        2 : Attractive girls have good personalities too (often better than fatties, as their looks don’t make them grow bitter).
        3 : Men don’t care if a women is a nobel prize or a waitress, looks are the deciding factor.
        Enjoy that pie.

        1. With all the anti bullying, common courtesy, common sense campaigns being promoted, I am saddened by the number of ignorant and rude people who missed the messages.
          If this is what we are teaching our kids, no wonder the world is going to crap.
          We have one world and one race, human and whether you are blue pink, yellow green, fat, skinny etc. treat people the way you want to be treated. I don’t feel the need to have to approve or like everyone or their actions, but I also don’t feel the need to ridicule anyone either.
          You don’t need to find everyone attractive, everyone is not for you (hard as that may seem to some people to comprehend).
          And btw, there are many drug users, alcoholics and criminals that are a drain on the financial resources.
          Remember the person you ridicule to the point of them trying to hurt themselves, puts more of a drain on the financial system, whereas they may have been a bigger person, contributing member of society.

        2. “We have one world and one race, human”
          You deserve to be raped in every orifice, you know that?
          Negros, caucasoids and mongoloids are different races you blowhard. What you mean is a species. And the other races aen’t so inclusive of you.

        3. “treat people the way you want to be treated.”
          Where are we, kindergarden?
          “You don’t need to find everyone attractive”
          And some people aren’t attractive for anybody apart from a few fetishists.
          “And btw, there are many drug users, alcoholics and criminals that are a drain on the financial resources.”
          Crimes and drugs are illegal, alcohol is taxed. Maybe we should tax fat foods.
          “Remember the person you ridicule to the point of them trying to hurt themselves, puts more of a drain on the financial system”
          One would hope they’d get to the point of losing weight before trying to hurt themself.

        4. Yep, I’m pretty sure every guy on this cite an itty bitty penis and an itty bitty wallet. Because, face it, if they were bigger, then you wouldn’t need the mysterious “game.”
          As for looks being a deciding factor, maybe, but I’m pretty sure we can all tell who has the advantage in deciding factors just based on who drinks and who pays, lol.

        5. One thing we know for certain, you filth —
          You had a small penis before the doctors cut it off (or are you still pre-op?)
          Yeah, your Disqus comment give you away, tranny. Go back to commenting on your fetish bulletin board

        6. Poor anon getting all worked up by a lowly tranny, lol. It’s not exactly hidden when it comes to the internet, lol.

        7. We can only wish that the scum like you would be “hidden when it comes to the internet”.
          Go be a disgrace to humanity in private.

      8. Were you under the impression that a good education or high intelligence in a woman are attractive qualities to men? The best I can say about them is that sometimes they are not unattractive. Being smart and educated certainly wouldn’t be enough to compensate for being fat though. Not even close.

      9. Except you wont have a great education, or personality. Fat people are lazy, filthy slobs and are a complete waste to society.

        1. right.. fat people are lazy, filthy slobs and a complete waste to society… omg, I am overweight and worked 4 jobs to support and raise my kids, by myself for over 12 years and I still work 2 jobs….. why ??? because I am supporting the people who won’t get jobs… seriously, get your head outta your butt, its been there to long and your spouting crap.

        2. Yet… I can’t figure out that one exception doesn’t remove the rule. Fat people are lazy, filthy slobs, a complete waste… and omg too stupid to figure out that one. I’d can fit twenty heads in my butt crack too.

        3. Yet… I can’t figure out that one exception doesn’t remove the rule. Fat people are lazy, filthy slobs, a complete waste… and omg too stupid to figure out that one. I’d can fit twenty heads in my butt crack too.

      10. I can’t have sex with you fat filled tits, I can’t have sex with you personality and I can’t have sex with your intelligence. I can only have sex with your vagina….but I would not wat to since your ultra fat and that just lowers the valiue of your vagina to the value of nothing.

      12. Lol, what a cute message. Unfortunately for you u are obviously a Fatty trying to justify ur shit life decisions. Just… Lose some weight, fucking gross fat women should be shamed 24/7

        1. I think its fun too meet fat girls on tinder. They message me their numbers, and then I txt them from my fake number. I then txt them for a few days, and if they are being needy and insecure about having sex, I, being as smart as I am, convince them to send me naked pictures. Once I have several of them, in which you cant even see their vagina because they have so much fat that it covers them up, I tell them they are fat, ugly, and are doomed to a life of missery. I also go into detail about how their kids will be fat fat failures like they were, and its funney to make fat girls in their early 20’s cry because they are fat slobs who dont deserve to be treated like the rest of us do because they are the ones who are fat!

        4. It would be if you could demonstrate HOW it is appropriate (instead of just tossing out the denigration for the sake of it.)

        5. Who’s “tossing out the denigraton for the sake of it”? You condone denigrating others because you happen not to like their ‘fat ratio’. Poor you. And that’s your problem. You have no right to shame others or tell them what to do. If you think you have a right over others, call a lawyer or the police. If you can’t, it’s obviously none of your business. Mind your own business.

        6. Please indicate where I have personally shamed anyone for their fat-ratio.
          As far as “tossing out the denigration for the sake of it”, it is quite clearly demonstrated in your response. If you think you retain the “right” to cast insults at others, please continue and see how far your rights to post extend.

        7. Where are you getting this? Of COURSE I have a right to shame others. We have this thing here called “free speech”. You have a right to not like it. You have a right to ignore it. But you DON’T have a right to tell me what I can, and cannot say.

        8. oh man you do realize free speech doesnt mean “i can say whatever i want and people cant disagree or get mad”
          freedom of speech doesnt save you from retaliation

        9. You just told people what to do, which is exactly what you’re saying they can’t do.

        10. Ah, the lovely thing about free speech. It works both ways. You can be a sad little muffin about others BMI, and society at large can hate you for it.It’s no wonder you guys be so lonely.

    5. One more thing: Big Game.
      Game is the great equalizer. Think of regular big guys who date attractive women instead of life-draining, ugly feminasties.
      Can anyone think of a sassy, ball-busting, fat-tastastic, ugly feminist who dates an alpha?

    6. Things that compensate for being an ignorant, sexist asshole:
      1. Nothing 2. Nothing 3. Nothing …

  17. A lot of guys have been clamoring for another fat shaming week or themed weeks in general but I hope the ROK writers don’t do that. For one thing, these types of shaming campaigns will decrease in potency the more often they are used. I wouldn’t do another fat shaming week in a month or even a year. People got indignant this time but it’ll grow stale with overuse. Also I have to admit having almost ALL the articles be about fat people got old towards the end. Perhaps only every other post or only the twitter hashtag, if you ever do anything like this again.

    1. Sorry Turbo but in case you haven’t read some of the anti-fatshameweek articles, they soundly defeated us. Instead of giving in to our calls to become thin and beautiful, these strong women (and men, I assume, though I didn’t see any fat men responding) have destroyed our message by raiding their fridges, eating handfuls of candy and wolfing down an extra cheeseburger on top of their normal 3. All those shaming weeks we had planned for the future must be cancelled – after all, if we launched our planned #stopbeingaslut week, how can we handle all those burns made by women who’ll then intentionally go out and bang 3 dudes a night, ending with a 10 man gang bang on Sunday to just to show us how pathetic we are?
      And Roosh, sorry to say but there was one casualty on our side – me. I lost a significant portion of my income due to our fat shaming; to prove our shaming tactics false, several of my BBW hoes had a Black Forest cake eating contest and suffered fatal heart attacks. For at least the next two months my pimpin’ business will be running in the red. Hopefully the low earning skinny bitches I’m left with will balloon up quick on those 20 piece buckets of fried chicken I’m making them eat.

      2. You know having a slut shaming week could possibly end up great for men around the world.
        If these mentally stunted women apply the same logic as those space cadets on twitter we might see men from betas on down to the most omega of omega getting laid by women “protesting” a slut shaming week.
        Think about it if you really went hard on the insults and shaming what these women would stoop to in order to prove us how dumb we are.
        That could possibly be the biggest pussy windfall in all recorded history and also make ROK an immortalized name to men around the globe.

        1. What does how any gets laid have to do with a response? Looks like you got nothing to say.

    2. Doing it again in a month is definatly too much, but every year is okay.
      Plus, doing it the same week every year will make far more people aware of its existence.

    1. That guy is the textbook definition of thirsty. I’ve seen guy’s stranded in the desert more sated then he is.

  19. Roosh, I’ve got to complement you on your writing style… FSW makes sense when you write about it…
    But no, it went too far. The problem is that we went from healthy honesty to being a bunch of 13-year-old girls picking on the omega at the sleepover. Fat shaming week brought out the most feminine, vitriolic qualities of some of ROK’s most prolific writers. And the message went from harsh truth to beta bitchery. Honestly, ROK just shit in the Manosphere’s cornflakes… and not a 3-deer-pellet shit, but a post all-you-can-eat-chinese-buffet shit. For the last 5 days of fat shaming week, I didn’t see any logic, rhetorical argument or harsh truths. I saw whining, bitching, straw men and homoerotic cuntiness.
    Anyhow, I’m glad it’s done. This was the most un-masculine bullshit of a week in the mansophere’s recent history. Honestly, there was so much feminine whining about fat chicks that I was about 30 seconds from starting to lactate. You fuckers need to grow up. The rest of us have shit to do.

    1. Fat chicks suck..about tie men made an uproar and shamed the shit out of fat chicks to get women to change their ways….do you honestly think logic works on women?

        2. I know it won’t, silly. Just like fat shaming won’t. I’m just killing time.. You guys actually have to live with yourselves.

        3. So… you admit that your contribution here are merely “killing time” and therefore really superfluous to the dialogue.

        6. Yep.. I’m bored and waiting to head out. I have enough time on my hands to plop “Phists of Phury” into google, too (it tooka whopping 4 seconds).. And if this twitter guy is you then you have nooo room to talk negatively about anyones’ appearance. Makes me really wonder what all these anti-fatty guys look like.
          You really need to reevaluate things.

        7. I just created this avatar this morning. How this particular one can appear in Google is pretty unlikely.
          This is the folly of arm-chair detectives. Try again.

        8. Meh, it was a 4 second effort. And it actually does appear on twitter. Anyway, I’m sure I was very, very wrong.. I don’t need an image of you to know how terribly handsome you are.. But instead of me ‘trying again’ how about you and corvinus each upload a photo of yourself so all the fatties can see what they should aspire to be.

        9. The discussion is on the subject matter. Trying to make it “personal” is irrelevant and merely a deflection.
          Do you have anything that is actually on the point?

        10. Exactly. I’d be shy, too, if I were you…
          And don’t be silly.. You know it’s on the point. You fat-shamers (allllll of you, so let’s not take this so personally, shall we?) should all post photos of yourselves. There’s nothing wrong with me offering that suggestion, either (even if it is not DIRECTLY on point). Comment sections are open for a variety of discussions, obviously.
          Anyway, then you *might* realize that you should be focusing your criticisms elsewhere… like on yourselves, since you’re so sure the shaming method works. Done with this talk, though. I’m beyond sick of the way you type (the ‘protagonist’ remark earlier made me laugh, though). My boyfriend’s here! 😉

        11. You neither even have the slightest idea of who I am, nor is it relevant to the discussion. It is typical of critics that really don’t have a position to attempt to draw any discussion into a flame war. It’s not working.
          It is actually bad form to ask others to provide identification in such a public arena. To implicate that not doing so, is evasion is unsupported. So nothing wrong? No, everything is wrong with that.
          You are welcome to focus your criticism here, but absolutely wrong in thinking that the criticism extends into denigrating others. However, you have yet to provide anything of import in counter to the point.

        12. If I was a woman, then yes. Straight women want men and if alpha men are telling them when they want in a woman, then it would be smart to listen, especially if losing weight can actually be changed. And women do not want beta losers or white knight types, they want the strong alpha males, which rooshv and return of kings has, so it is really their best interest to listen and lose the weight.

        13. ” You guys actually have to live with yourselves”
          GET to live with ourselves.
          It’s a privilege that must be earned, fatty.
          It requires discipline, embracing hard work and favoring a long term gain, rather than short term tingles. Obviously you will never be so blessed as us.

  20. I frankly haven’t had this much fun in the manosphere since Manboobs flamed out in the fall of 2010. Bravo, gentlemen. I have more hope this week, than I did last week.

  21. I am a true believer in personal liberty where you should be able to make your own life choices. For that reason, there is no inherent crime in being a fat ass, but in the past five years, there has been a push to accept obesity as normal or even beautiful. Fat shaming is less about bullying individual fat people than re-affirming the fact that obesity culture is not okay in America, and attempts to brainwash people of that fiction must be immediately destroyed with logic, science, and schoolyard insults.
    Quoted for truth. What are the chances that the whinging fatasses who took issue with this initiative will listen to this very sound rationale however? Much easier to play the victim and keep eating those pies.
    By the way… all of these Fat Shamin Week articles… so much win!

  23. Fatties are such losers to me, especially female fatties.
    Even men have a gym culture that makes them work out because when we guys see a ripped model, we don’t get jealous, we get inspired to work out more.
    But women, they get jealous and try to become more fat because they cannot get to the level of looks. This is not an unchangeable thing like facial looks/height/race/skin colour that is set in stone from birth.
    With hard work it is in your control to change. and all you have to do it lose weight and shed the pounds , you don’t even have to get ripped.
    Us guys have to get jacked aswell if we are on the smaller side.
    So shame on you fat women for having something in your control…and not doing anything about it, and then complaining about it. And I live in Australia,Melb…it is very disgusting seeing a fat women everywhere, I even saw many fat school girls…kinda sad because they will grow up hateful due to lack of male attention.

  24. Fatties are such losers to me, especially female fatties.
    Even men have a gym culture that makes them work out because when we guys see a ripped model, we don’t get jealous, we get inspired to work out more.
    But women, they get jealous and try to become more fat because they cannot get to the level of looks. This is not an unchangeable thing like facial looks/height/race/skin colour that is set in stone from birth.
    With hard work it is in your control to change. and all you have to do it lose weight and shed the pounds , you don’t even have to get ripped.
    Us guys have to get jacked aswell if we are on the smaller side.
    So shame on you fat women for having something in your control…and not doing anything about it, and then complaining about it. And I live in Australia,Melb…it is very disgusting seeing a fat women everywhere, I even saw many fat school girls…kinda sad because they will grow up hateful due to lack of male attention.

  25. for anyone who says fat shaming actually makes people fatter: I worked out every day last week and stayed away from the sweets because fat shaming week made me want to change my dumpy fat body. I know it’s only an anecdote but still, it worked for me.

  26. just a thought… how many of you male users of this ‘web-site’ are what is medically considered over-heighted? are you in favour of ‘fatty’ guys bing shamed as well? or are you as hhippocrite as one may think of you?

    1. Hypocrisy? Not from myself. However, being medically over-weight oneself isn’t conditional on commentary about the shape of those who do not take care of themselves.
      Feel free to create a fat-guy shaming blog. The truth is that even the media makes fun of fat guys (look at Peter Griffin or Homer Simpson) and everyone is OK with it. Any comment of fat women, and it’s personal attack time.

  27. I’m a personal trainer and I would truly love to see pictures of you ‘men’ who think you’re superior to women (especially fat women). Even if you do ‘lift’, you probably have gross teeth or ugly faces.. You definitely have ugly souls. Get lives and stop being such dicks. Otherwise, the world is better off without people like you. You’re worthless human beings… and it’s really sad.

    1. All postulations and basically posturing in lieu of a reasonable argument. You can name-call all you want, but you still don’t have a point. That’s the sad part.

  28. Hey dudes – why don’t you get your head out of your asses and fix your busted ass website. Or maybe you could just let the women do it next time. It might get done right, then.

    1. Women who don’t take care of themselves do not represent ALL women no matter how many times you attempt to slide that in.

    3. Hey loser, why don’t you get a life. What’s wrong with the website?? Nothing.

  29. Hi again.. Personal trainer and non-fatty here again- How many comments are you going to delete before you realize you’re a shitty person? Not JUST a person who has mean thoughts.. but an actual REALLY bad excuse for a human?
    I’m pretty damn attractive and so are my friends and none of us would go for negative douchebags like you guys. Have a nice, sad and lonely life (well, not entirely lonely.. you have a few male douchebag followers who support you.. kind of like Westboro Baptist and their lunatic supporters).
    As far as having attractive female company, though.. you’re going to continue to lack that. So enjoy your men! 🙂

    1. Just another angry rant. Your opinions are based on nothing but anger and projection of self-loathing. If you have anything appropriate to the subject matter, you are not demonstrating it by continuing this name-calling campaign.

      1. This entire blog is another angry rant. All opinions here are based on nothing but anger and projection of self-loathing.

        1. No it is not.
          No one is angry that people are whatever body shape they choose to be. Angry feminists basically project their own frustrations onto those who merely say they much prefer people in better shape.
          To say protagonists have the same, but opposite, hostility is unsupported.

        2. Um.. Ok, so I’m not a feminist and I do prefer people who are in better shape, but I’m not a total ass about it. And this site and “fat shaming” do NOT just “merely” say anything.. I can’t believe you’re belittling the negativity and meanness this site is projecting.

        3. Fat shaming is in every aspect an attempt to bully overweight people. I am myself not overweight and I think obesity is really bad, but the way you bully people on here is just cruel.
          If commenters appear angry to you, they are not angry because they deny that obesity is a problem, they criticize the sheer hatred that is being spread by the authors and fans of this blog.

        4. When calling people names like “douche bags” becomes the action of someone who isn’t being hostile, you may then have a point. Until then, you do not.
          Just how have I personally bullied anyone (let alone obese people). Again, this is purely an invention in your own mind.
          How is the author spreading hatred? There are easier ways to do this (including not allowing people to have an opinion).

        5. The “fat shaming week” (shaming) is a hostility in itself. Plus terms have been used in the blog posts that were insulting. Just look at the tweet shown in this article. If this is not hostile, what else is? “Fat ass” is an insult as well. So the authors of this blog started it.
          And… Just how have I personally bullied anyone (let alone fans of this blog). Again, this is purely an invention in your own mind… Newsflash: I attacked the blog post, you defended it. When was it about us personally?

        6. Fat Shaming is really more parody than hostility. What did do was bring to the surface the apparent disregard that people have for those who do not take care of their physical shape.
          The tweets, while picked to show the more extreme cases, are evidence of this underlying theme. The amount of hostility you are demonstrating is also an indication of that there are some truths that some want to keep hidden.
          How have you bullied anyone? Well, let’s see. If you have stepped beyond commenting on the subject, and applied any sort of personal insult, you have attempted to bully people. If you have commented on things with pure conjecture, you have attempted to bully people.
          Basically, if you are not sticking to the topic, but instead try to personally injure your opposition, you are essentially bullying.

        8. It uses hostile terms. It quotes hostile tweets. If you consider this parody, feel free to consider all hostile comments you ever read on here as well “parody”.
          BTW I don’t defend name calling. I criticize the name calling that is the “fat shaming week”.

        9. No, you cannot parallel it that way. However, feel free to create a blog about how “fat shaming week” is pure hostility. Open up a comment blog, and see how that goes.

        10. Of course I can. See how your argument doesn’t work. You keep contradicting yourself.
          But I did the same thing as another commenter on here and googled you on twitter. I just saw you… you are still a college kid. You look nice and I don’t understand what causes you to defend such a deeply hateful blog.
          I hope with time you develop some empathy and understanding that hostility will lead to more hostility, and this is why some people get so upset on here. As you rightfully pointed out, some of the comments cross a line, but really the author started it big time and this guy called Roosh, being much older than you, knows very well that he is coming from a place of hate and that he has serious issues, he just doesn’t find another outlet and no solution to it. These men have caused much damage in history. Maybe you don’t understand that… while “fat shaming week” might sound like a fun parody, the issues below this go much deeper and makes this world a worse place.
          Wish you best of luck anyways!

        11. You have accused me of contradicting myself, but have been unable to prove such a claim. Believe whatever you wish, but you’ll have to try harder than that to prove it to the audience at large.
          Lol. If I was still in college, that’s news to me.
          I don’t even have a twitter account, so that is more proof that amateur police-work is, well, pretty amateur. The sad part is that you need to believe certain things about the PERSON behind the comments rather than address the comment. In doing so, you not only invent things, you now resort to inventing the person too.
          The most amazing thing is how critics of Roosh (and I really don’t know who this guy is) seem to project the hatred in their own hearts onto him. In fact, when they do this, they CLEARLY demonstrate the hostility that only suggested.
          What makes this world a worse place is when people think they are “justified” in being hostile to others merely because they have a difference of opinion. Really, that is the basis of all sorts of fundamentalist movements.
          You have every opportunity to discuss the topic AND leave the personal insults out. Everyone here (likely including Roosh) encourages people to do that. Feel free to return with some on-the-point discussion.

        12. I just did prove the contradiction in my comment above.
          So to sum it all up: Me and many other people commenting on this blog feel attacked by the hostility of it, not necessarily the topic being discussed. The name calling in the articles – I showed some example – proves its hostility, as it is part of our culture to use and perceive name calling as an attack.
          So the author was the first to attack.
          I don’t understand why it is necessary to spread “shaming” articles online. I don’t understand why grown men need to do this.

        13. __Proof of contradiction__
          No you didn’t and I already explained why. Please.
          __Reasons for Hostility__
          You may feel the article was a personal attack, so in that sense, you can apply equal force against the article. However, you extend such retaliation to not only the author, but to any who respond in opposition to you.
          Hence you feel that if you personally take issue with some monologue, it gives you license to call people names and attempt to injure their character. This is the “logic” of a bully.
          The point of this article was clear, that there has been this push to accept excessive fat to the point of obesity as “OK”. This agenda has been so great that any comment in opposition is viewed as “hate”. Such “hate” is then used as an excuse to attack others.
          Most of this push is for women, and as such women feel it is their exclusive right to be as irreverent to others based only on this “I’m the victim” mentality.

        14. No further comments to this contradiction thing. People will have to judge for themselves.
          Ok, if you take it to that personal level, when did I call people names? In my opinion I argued on your level and was even trying to be a nice person to you.
          This article is not “viewed as hate”, it clearly uses hostile language. If you called me a “fat ass”, this would not be a comment on my body weight, but a hateful insult. This is what the article did.
          I am really confused as to why you judge people for using words such as “douche” in the comments when the word “fat ass” used in the article is OK? This is pretty much the same to me. And again… who started it????

        15. __The Contradiction Thing__
          Sure. Just don’t be editing comments after it has been called out. That’s just bad form.
          __Call of the Mild__
          When did you call people names? Why, on one of your first posts. Most would agree that “whiny bitches” qualifies as a denigration:
          You Said:
          ======Haha.. an entire site of men crying about how the world is so unfair. The “masculine” men here don’t like women or fatties. You poor things. I’m glad you have a place to cry and whine and be comforted by your fellow “masculine” men. That way you can spare the rest of us your tears.
          BTW I recommend changing the name of this site to “Whiny Bitches Anonymous.”=====
          Whether you try or are actually a nice person to me particularly is actually moot. You should stick to the topic. I have nothing to do with that.
          If you disagree with the article’s comments, then provide commentary directed at the article. That you choose to redirect that anger by personally insulting the author and those that are in opposition to you is NOT mitigated by your perception of others.
          __Douche Touche__
          Again, that is a deflection.
          It is the action to intentionally attempt to personally injure your opposition that is being pointed out. Feel free to attack the article. But purposely attacking the person behind it, or your opposition is bad form. Yes. You started that.

        16. This wasn’t even my comment. There is no way I could possibly edit my comments either, I comment as a guest.
          Seriously, I didn’t insult any one on here. The author did with his insulting article shaming individuals. You can argue all you want here, this is not going to change the fact… he attacked people in the first place.
          Even if somebody insults him back or everybody who took part or supported the fat shaming week, it is understandable, because they got attacked in the first place.

        17. Lol. You are a “guest” now, but it is interesting how your posts and those that had the same name suddenly turned into Guest-type posts with different names now. No matter. You referenced the word “douche” up to this post, so you were aware of the reference. Nice try.
          As far as insulting others, you employ the same tactic as all of these apologists. Basically, it’s apply personal attacks, then claim to have the moral right to do so. Once that is stripped away, continue to ignore discussing the point and focus on how all of this is pointless (shaming doesn’t work, don’t you have better things to do, etc.)
          The POINT is that you refuse to discuss the issue and instead resort trying to deflect it into a flame war.
          So…
          What is your issue with others not liking certain self-inflicted body shapes?

        18. I am NOT the other commenter.
          Are you by any chance “corvinus”? He always backs you up.
          You are not? Well did you think it was fair I suggested it?

        19. Uh, please don’t attribute my posts to other people.
          I can make my own arguments and don’t need to use another name. Indeed, why don’t you actually go respond to my post rather than trying to claim I am someone else.

        20. The comment was attributed to some other poster because, several posters were using the same avatar (possible in this blogosphere).
          I have commented directly back to you.

        21. Several posters were using the exact same name (including who is now “M.”) That is not by any coincidence.
          At any rate, I am not corvinus. Each one of us can defend themselves (even myself, who is simultaneously now conversing with at least three people that used to be one).

        22. I think it has to do with whether or not a person has verified their disqus account. If not, I think it treats them as a guest. Up until I posted on here, the only responses I have made to you are in the thread I started (i.e. “Whiny Bitches Anonymous”).
          Also, I see no comment in response to my last one.

        23. LIke I said, I am now answer to several posters. Am I not allowed the courtesy of time?

        24. Take as much time as you need. I was merely trying to clarify that you were not responding to me, but someone else.

        25. “Fat Shaming is really more parody than hostility.”
          Fatties are a form of physical humor with a few one liners. Who doesn’t chortle when a land whale blurts out the old classic, ” I’m big and beautiful”, while it’s paws are strangling a ham ?

        26. I will show up for balance.
          God didn’t make you fat.
          You are not big and beautiful.
          You are not big boned.
          Gluttony is not an attribute.
          You are a selfish pig and the sole reason third world children starve every day.
          It takes one of your carcasses to feed a village.

        27. “I don’t understand why it is necessary to spread “shaming” articles online.”
          Because for far too long women have ignored the (literal ) elephant in the room.
          Fat girl, YOU are the elephant in the proverbial room.
          Given the choice between shagging a fatty and masturbation, I would chose rosy palm. “She’ is more attractive and takes better care of ‘herself’. Fatties are takers, not givers. Rosy gives and does not take.

      2. My opinions are based on what I’m reading.. and yes, it makes me angry that people like you exist. I know what I say won’t change you and I also know it won’t ruin my day.. just like your comments won’t ruin a fat person’s day. I’d rather be fat than a horrible person any day.. although it’s a blessing to not be either.
        And I’m a little shocked that the ‘name-calling’ bothered you enough to mention something. If only you were under the same kind of scrutiny as the fat people you mock, maybe you’d understand a little more.

        1. Your opinions are based solely on the anger that some people are echoing the sentiments of a larger silent mass. What you say would be considered if it was based on the topic matter, stayed on the topic and avoided the usual childish trolling behavior.
          My comments here have been on the bullying by feminists. How that is supposed to “ruin the day of a fat person” is unsubstantiated (and purely conjecture on your part).
          You, as anyone else, can be fat or thin, horrible or not. That is the freedom of choice. You may also choose to discuss the topic with some maturity or stick to the usual harassment (and eventually have your IP banned). That is also your choice.
          No. The name-calling doesn’t bother me. I mentioned it because it appropriately sheds light on how angry feminists operate. They generally (well, practically always) shout insults and call people names and justify that hostility as some sort of altruistic service.

        2. Actually, what I say won’t be considered because your eyes and ears are closed to my somewhat blunt way of pointing out that people like you are crummy people.. I think it deals directly with the subject at hand (which isn’t feminism.. it’s fat-shaming). You can keep rattling on about angry feminists.. I really don’t care and I’m actually about to head out (because I have a life). You keep on commenting, though..
          Oh, and if my IP was banned, I really wouldn’t give a damn because I have no intention of giving this waste-of-time site any additional attention. I kind of don’t understand why my comments would be taken as harassment versus the other comments that harass and clearly offend fat people. Kind of hypocritical.
          Soooo enjoy your negative life on the internet with these dudes instead of having actual relationships with good people! 🙂

        3. __Eyes wide Shut__
          No. Most protagonists here are actually quite open to discussion of the topic. On the other hand, critics only know how to shout insults and base their defenses on out-of-context comments and other fallacies.
          __Banned__
          If you had no intention to begin with, you wouldn’t have even commented in the first place. The truth is that you have every intention of harassing others because you don’t want anyone to be reading here.
          It is wholly misguided feminism when people attempt to defend the overly protective political correctness that feminists promote.
          Your comments are taken as hostility because you apply personal attack when simply discussing the topic would suffice.
          __Negative__
          Nice try. If I had a “negative life”, it would be more likely that I would be the one throwing insults and suggestions like my opposition had a “negative life”. Remember that part about bullying? You are not addressing the topic here. You are merely trying to cause some sort of personal injury to those who do not agree with you.

        4. “They generally (well, practically always) shout insults and call people names and justify that hostility as some sort of altruistic service.”
          The self-awareness is lacking in this one. I thought you guys were supposed to be dealing in logic?

        5. Really? Please point out where I have been “unaware” of any shouting of insults levied at angry feminists.
          It’s pretty easy to make accusations, but backing them up is a whole lot harder (no quoting of retaliatory comments now).

        6. Oh, I have to spell this out. Okay.
          Fat Shaming Week – a week to post 18 “articles” plus however many tweets to shout from the rooftops all that is wrong with the “Fatties” in an effort to bring awareness to this plight and help them to see the error of their ways and ultimately bag an alpha male catch (barring any other perceived problems that I am as of yet unaware). So Brave! So considerate!
          Pot, I have a friend I’d like you to meet. Her name is Kettle.

        7. No. You haven’t done your homework on what this is really about. Just because you wish to remain ignorant by not reading even the content here and levying your “opinion” doesn’t make you right (or brave, or considerate).
          It is strictly you that is both pot and kettle.

        8. I’ll take your rambling about doing homework and flipping my use of bravery and consideration (incorrectly) against me as you still not getting it. That’s okay. Don’t even worry your pretty little head about it. I certainly won’t.

        9. “Nope”. You can believe whatever you want. You can’t argue your case so it just the usual “opinion”.

        10. Hahahaha You can say “You just don’t get it!” all you want, but that’s not exactly arguing your case either.
          If you are so resistant to the notion of looking critically at yourself and perhaps seeing and acknowledging the parallels between the stated purpose behind Fat Shaming Week and your comments about the “Angry Feminists” (which, lol), then there isn’t really a point in continuing the discourse.
          But like I said already, no skin off my nose. If you are so intent on maintaining the notion that you are infallibly correct in all things and have no need for introspection, then far be it for me to rock that boat.
          Carry on.

        11. Nice try. I’ve been quite comprehensive in my foundation. I leave it up to the audience at large to decide who hasn’t been.

        14. The guys got total self-awareness you moron. He never called anyone names. It’s just you and the other fem-babies that are doing that. You don’t deal in logic.

        15. No one cares about whether fatties get unfatty or not. People just don’t like being told don’t look at someones fattiness but see the person behind it all. If you want to complain. Tell people who care. No point coming here to try and be a pest. As you can see no one is listening to that wailing.

        17. Other posters are correct and they can prove it. You just go around saying *not* and thinking that is all it takes. You don’t have a case.

    2. Heh. You don’t know jackshit how we are in real life. For all you know, your boyfriend could be a regular here.

      1. Nah.. My boyfriend is a great guy and had a great upbringing. Sorry you guys didn’t… or else you wouldn’t be so unkind to those who don’t fit a certain ‘look’ for you. :/
        I’m pretty sure how you are in real life correlates well with how you are on this site- and it’s pathetic.

        1. Your own particular case does not negate the logic presented by corvinus. Even if you were Youreprobablygross, his comment is sensible.

        2. Sooooo ok back to his comment… let’s say for fun I found out my boyfriend was a regular on this ridiculous site.. If I ever found out, it’d be over. Good, kind-hearted, worthwhile girls like me don’t stick around with pigs like this. It’s one thing to have a preference.. It’s another to be disgustingly mean about it.

        3. Your comment is based on the premise that anyone who reads this material is automatically a “pig”. This is unsubstantiated and if proven to be faulty will definitively prove that you are speaking from purely biased opinion.
          Even if what was presented here was actually “disgustingly mean”, that alone does not justify any of the hostility you defend, or contribute to.

        5. Your comment is based on the premise that anyone who reads this material is automatically not a “pig”. This is unsubstantiated and if proven to be faulty will definitely prove that you are speaking from purely biased opinion.
          (Just want to show you that you keep accusing people of not arguing in a substantiated way when you keep doing this yourself.)
          The last sentence is contradictory. If this was actually “disgustingly mean”, yes that is the only reason hostility is justified.

        7. Parroting attacks only work if they are true. My comment is totally substantiated by the fact that it is what you said in yours (which we were commenting on so editing it out doesn’t count.) That’s pretty weak.
          No. There is no contradiction. Furthermore, you still have no basis to act in hostility (other than a pre-existing condition).

        9. Merely a deflection from your tort.
          But, we will entertain the request.
          Firstly, the blog authors are far from hostile, and when compared to the comments (many that suggest physically harm and maiming) from feminists, they are wholly pacifist.
          The articles may be unsavory to some, and may present negative views on certain things. However, they are not without attempt to support such views.
          The basis of the authors commentary is on how political correctness has been distorted to the point that anyone and everyone can call themselves beautiful, but no one is allowed to discuss (even among themselves) that they do not hold such opinion.
          To this point, even the media will bombard the masses with suggestion that body shape and lifestyle is happenstance, and, that everyone is the epitome of the human condition.
          Feminists feel it is there privilege to shout insults at anyone they disagree with and that any thing negative directed towards them is indicative of a “rape culture”.

        10. So it all boils down to you and the other – mostly men – on here feeling entitled to use shaming and hostile language to bring their point across. I get that now. You are allowed to hit somebody below the belt, but if people react to it with insults, it’s all of a sudden not ok anymore. I do not want to defend these commenters, I just say it’s understandable. Seriously, when you hit someone in the face, don’t expect them to just run away and hide. Expect to get attacked by them as well. This is common sense! And only fair, to be honest. You were the one attacking in the first place.
          So, this brings me back to my original complaint. Why start with insults in the first place? If obesity and political correctness taken to far is such an issue for you, why don’t you just look for real solution? Because obviously by attacking others they won’t listen to you, they will only continue the war you started.
          Why is this necessary? Why do you have to spread this type of hostility?

        11. __Shame Thing, Different Meaning__
          No. It doesn’t boil down to that at all.
          Firstly, it is largely women here that resort to the exclusive tactic of name-calling and personal insults in lieu of discussing the point. That’s pretty easy to see.
          Secondly, the language used in the articles is still on the topic and not a personal attack on individuals. It may be on a specific group, and that is because of the topic (It’s hard to discuss a topic and not actually name the subject). You know the difference.
          Thirdly, the whole point is that the political correctness of the “everyone is beautiful” campaign has just been a window dressing, and as such, likely does even more damage than good towards it’s superficial aim.
          __Mac Attack__
          I was the one attacking? Just where did I initiate any attack?
          This is important. It clearly shows that you are likely clouded by anger and cannot hear what is actually being said.
          __The FIrst Place__
          While the language used in these articles are provocative, how else are people expected to couch their disdain for this “you go girl” culture.
          Part of the “real solution” is to tell the masses that enough is enough. Furthermore, feminists like to think that they are the only group that is allowed to be dismayed at anything (and certainly, the ONLY ones allowed to cast negative comments).
          The point is that nobody cares if YOU do not listen. It’s the silent audience at large matters. All I or any other in opposition to you has to do is to prove that your comments are illogical or unsubstantiated.
          To demonstrate that you come from a pre-determined position of hostility is just “icing on the cake”.If the authors here wanted to only present the point alone, they would just close the comment section. When you choose to rant and rave, it gives them the best support for their cause possible.
          There is no “war”, it is only angry critics here that try to spread hostility. Why not stick to the point instead of attacking others.

        12. The article is a personal attack on individuals using shaming language.
          Where is it mostly women using insulting language on here? I thought the article was written by a guy? He was the one using insulting language in the first place.
          With “you” I didn’t mean you in person, I meant the article that clearly used attacking language and everybody who feels the need to defend it.
          The authors want to prove people come from a pre-determined position of hostility BY BEING HOSTILE IN THE FIRST PLACE? Seriously?

        13. __The Article__
          The article is about how, we, as a society, are expected to accept that poor body fat ratio maintenance is of no consequence in any way shape or form. It is intended to portray the hidden yet potent feeling that there are choices that one makes that can and will be unattractive to others.
          __Insulting Language Gender__
          That’s simple enough for each and every audience member to determine on their own. Really, I don’t think you will get much support that it’s not mainly women that come here to rage.
          __You, Yes You__
          OK. Let’s say it was the general “you”…
          One of the things that the article intended to do is to see how people react to it. If it was pointless, but seen as insulting (as you have suggested) one can choose to address the ineptness of it, or, avoid that, and launch a pointed personal attack.
          Choosing the latter is rarely the case of someone who believes they hold the logical clout, or the moral high ground.
          __Land of Hostililty__
          “The authors want to prove people come from a pre-determined position of hostility BY BEING HOSTILE IN THE FIRST PLACE? Seriously?”
          It is pretty easy to prove hostility by seeing how volatile people are in reaction to perceived provocation. Many of the feminists critics here try this by attacking with insults (in hopes to start a flame war).
          Can you even see that I have not resorted to this?

        14. Society doesn’t even feel that way. I don’t think being overweight is ok. But maybe we have different perceptions. If society really felt that way I agree with you it’s a problem, because I think obese people face huge health and psychological issues. I personally don’t feel the cost me any more money than the smokers, those sleeping around, those doing high risk sports, those drinking each weekend and so on, but this is my personal opinion and I don’t have any numbers to form a proper opinion on this topic and …
          … again, I don’t judge the article’s content, I judge the apparent intent to shame people and to insult them, and in that way, spread unnecessary hostility in a world that is still facing starving children, extreme poverty, etc. Why????
          Insulting language: The article quotes this radio guy: “If your girl looks like a human Cinnabon or a Butterball, make her feel like shit!” It uses terms like “fat ass”. The overall tone is pretty rough too, If you don’t agree this is insulting language I have to say the expressions used by some commenters on here weren’t that harsh either…
          Yes I can see you yourself have not resorted to this, but look at the place you are coming from. You didn’t react hostile but defend a hostile article. By defending it, you support the shaming language of it. If you only defend the content, stick to commenting on the comments that are about the content only (big people are healthy and so on) and don’t respond to the people who react with anger to the tone of a personally insulting article, because you mix these two up.
          And I never said launching a personal attack as a comment on an insulting article was the correct thing to do, but is understandable. This entire article is a personal attack on exactly the same level. Again, if you punch someone in the face, what do you expect? (This goes for the author and everyone agreeing the language and tone he uses is OK.)
          I still come to the conclusion it boils down to the fact the people defending this article are OK with it using shaming language and at the same time judge people feeling attacked by this tone to react accordingly. They choose to ignore who started this in the first place and who’s the initiator of all this…

        15. __Societal Influence__
          That’s the whole crux of it. The media wholly promotes the idea that excessive body fat is fine for women. The Dove commercial is just one of the more well known promotions that suggests this. It’s never explicitly said, but woe to anyone (as proven here) that says it isn’t as desirable as the media makes it out to be.
          __Unhealthy Behaviour__
          Smokers and other health risk behaviors are actually taxed for their choices (as are people who are morbidly obese). In that way, there is some movement have the cost borne by those who create it.
          We shouldn’t have to pay for extreme sports related injuries either. Insurance companies do attempt to account for this.
          __Comments on Comments__
          The difference is that critics here apply insulting names and comments on the character of others wholly for the reason that people have opposed their opinion. When are people “whiny bitches” for merely not agreeing with someone?
          If we want to play the “but they started it first” card, then it really comes back to that anonymous group of marketers that began this “fat is beautiful” movement. In that sense, the comments in the article are directed as a response to them, and not at those who decided on their own body shape. With that, there is no vicarious right to extend further insults simply because of the side one has chosen. See how there is really no moral right to apply personal insults in this (or any other) debate?
          __The Right to be Wrong__
          There are those that love to use the excuse of morality to attack others. Essentially every “defense” of poor little helpless excessive BMI people involves the “outrage” right to lay out a string of insults. The truth is that it is just an excuse to vent some rage. If there is a point to be made about how the stance of those that don’t agree with the “everyone is beautiful” movement, it has yet to be presented. The latent anger? Well that’s meted out like it’s on a 50% off sale.
          I (and anyone else) will call out this kind of bullying when it happens. If we want to stick to the content, then let the those with the criticism of that content present some argument in lieu of the usual “you are all whiny bitches”.
          __Jab Jab Jab__
          That is again the “moral right to attack” percolating up again. In our warped society, no one is allowed to have any negative comment about women in general, lest it viewed as an attack. As such an attack, all sorts of counter punches are allowed.
          If anything, this latent disapproval of these feminist friendly movements should be a clear indication that people are not particularly in agreement with it.
          The tone is probably telling and should be a wake-up call to stop this movement of “you go girl”. Supporting the personal attacks seen here by most of the critics is essentially supporting this lop-sided set of rules.
          __The Initiator__
          Well, if it comes down to the initiator, then it would have to be those who supported this “everyone is beautiful” agenda in the first place. The “disagreement” to it is clear in the article. Can you see how this “blame the culprit” still boils down to those who benefit from that agenda?

        16. I don’t know about a “fat is beautiful” movement. And if such a movement exists, I never heard it using insulting words just like this article.
          No matter what you say, the hostile language used in this article is the first attacker and I don’t support people’s angry reactions I am just saying it’s understandable… again, if you punch somebody in the face…. what type of reaction do you expect?
          But I see you want to keep pretending the article wasn’t written in an insulting tone. Calling somebody “fat” is, according to you, not offensive, neither is “fat ass”. Strange, I always thought these were highly insulting words.
          Oh, now I get it! Only the words OTHER people use reacting to these “non-insults” are hostile. Sound sooo fair! And really, an easy way of looking at things… for you!

        17. “let’s say for fun I found out my boyfriend”
          Let’s say for fun that you had a boyfriend….
          If he were reading RoK, you would quiver with delight and eager anticipation. You wouldn’t be a land whale pretending that you are desirable because you are too lazy to actually make yourself desirable.

    3. Oh boo hoo, the mean people are making fun of fat people. Boo hoo. Grow some thicker skin, you pussy. Spend less time getting offended, and more time doing your job shaving off fat from whales, “personal trainer.”

    4. You would. I bet you and your friends all go for cool sensitive guys with money. The authors in this website are going in that direction.

  30. Haha.. an entire site of men crying about how the world is so unfair. The “masculine” men here don’t like women or fatties. You poor things. I’m glad you have a place to cry and whine and be comforted by your fellow “masculine” men. That way you can spare the rest of us your tears.
    BTW I recommend changing the name of this site to “Whiny Bitches Anonymous.”

    1. The only people whining are the Feminists that come here with nothing but name-calling.
      Nice try, er… whine.
      If you don’t like the “tears”, you don’t have to come here. In reality, you don’t have any reasonable argument, so all you can do is the usual childish trolling.

      1. I save reasonable arguments for people with reasonable positions.
        I save trolling for those who do nothing but post misinformation and whine about how the whole world doesn’t love them for being douchebags.
        Cry more about the injustices placed on uninformed douchebags such as yourself.

        1. What “injustices”?… this is just an invention of your own mind.
          You have no reasonable argument and no amount of excuses will hide that fact.
          The whole world doesn’t love people who cannot accept that people don’t have any useful thing to say, and only come around to cast insults. As far as “being douchebags”, that is YOUR opinion, to which only biased individuals like you invent in order to justify your rants.
          The only people crying are the same old trolls that come here with fantasies that talking about the undesirability of those who don’t take care of themselves is “whining”.
          Try again. lol.

        2. Ah, yes.. the argument here being that “fatties offend your sensibilities.”
          Clearly not whining or crying about how the world doesn’t conform to your beliefs. Boo hoo.. I don’t like fat people and they’re allowed to be fat! Poor me! Also, women don’t care about men’s issues! Boo hoo…
          That you all need some website to back you on the back to tell you that you’re masculine for whining about how women don’t do whatever tell them and conform to whatever demands you make… well, again.. If this site had any honesty to it, it would call itself “Whiny Bitches Anonymous.”
          BTW, you’re welcome to look at the many studies that show that healthy people actually cost society more in the long run because they live longer, spend more time not working, and more time taking from social programs. So, if you’re going to try to make an argument that “costing people more money by your lifestyle choices” is a reason to “shame” someone, then I await you all to start shaming healthy people.
          Or does your argument only work if it applies to people you don’t like?
          Studies also show shaming people does not work — so, unlike what the Captain of this Whiny Bitch Train tries to claim, this will do nothing to decrease obesity.
          And lastly, the health problems associated with obesity are primarily due to fat around the organs. However, many people who would not be considered obese also have this fat around their organs and have the same health risks as those who are obese (usually because of being sedentary). Similarly, there are many active people who fall in the obese category who lack this fat around their organs and are actually cardiovascularly healthy. Thus, no part of your mission statement is actually rooted in any real facts. And because of this, it becomes patently clear that this has nothing do with wanting to “not promote an unhealthy lifestyle” but merely wanting to shame fat people because you “don’t like looking at them.”
          Of course, you’ll tell me that all these facts are just “fat apologia” because it disagrees with your position. Because refusing to actually educate yourself about the topic which you are ranting about is the norm on the internet. And shaking your head and shouting down anyone who tries to actually discuss facts, rather than opinion, is the only way you can maintain your position.
          But again, since you are little more than uninformed douchebags who are merely whining to each other about the injustice of having to look at fat people, I’m hardly surprised. Welcome to the vast majority of internet douchebags. Your uninformed whining is just more useless internet noise.
          But please, console yourself by crying to your fellow masculine men how all us “fat apologists” are using facts to demonstrate that your position is based in a lie and is really about treating people you don’t like poorly. I’m sure they’ll brush your hair aside and tell you what a good masculine man you are for fighting the good fight against those “terrible fatties” and those “horrible feminazi women who want to demasculinize you.”

        3. Nice try.
          __”World doesn’t conform to your beliefs”__
          Where have i even suggested what my beliefs are are (much less “whine” about how it doesn’t conform). Stop making things up in order to criticize your opposition.
          __”Women don’t care about men’s issues”__
          Apparently you care a lot. Why else would you come here to rant and rave? Men are just as important to women as women are to men. It’s just that you obviously have some issue with men not seeing women who don’t take care of their body shape as importantly.
          __”Whiny bitches Anonymous”__
          Where do any of the guys here show that they NEED a website like this in order to feel masculine? This is purely wishful thinking on your part. In reality, your attempts to disparage protagonists here is a need to compensate for feelings of inferiority.
          __Health problems with obesity__
          Firstly, how is this “my argument”. My posts on this branch began with pointing out the purely bullying nature of your post. That was accomplished and you now are attempting to deflect away from that in order to justify your continued harassment.
          Nonetheless, we will address your accusations.
          As far as the health issue, only if a similar amount of categorically “non-obese” people had the same level of body fat near their organs could you make the claim that the risk was approximately the same.
          YOU CAN’T. Therefore your argument that the author is uninformed is FALSE.
          As far as cardio-vascularly healthy, that is not the only measure of health (and you know that). Furthermore, the anomalies do not account for the norm.
          It is NOT based on lies as you hope. Try applying some basic logic before accusing others of not being informed.
          __Fat Apologia__
          Shaming doesn’t work? What is all the insulting and name-calling (“douche bags”,”whiners”) for then? You obviously think it does.
          As much as you are critical of people “whining that they have to look at a fat body” you are actually the one who goes far out of their way to “look at an article that you don’t like” Furthermore you go to great effort to rant about it. Why not follow your own advise and just ignore “other people’s opinions”.
          Internet “douche bags” are far more the people that shout insults at others and rarely use reason to refute anything. Furthermore, when they apply “reason” it is usually out-of-context or illogical (as it has just been demonstrated).
          __Horrible Femnazi’s__
          Incidentally, the only shouting down being done here is from the typical angry feminists who think that no one is allowed to have an opinion that differs from theirs. Who else laces every comment with denigration and insults?

        4. Very annoying that my previous post didn’t seem to show.
          Nonetheless, I’ll give it another go:
          I find it interesting that you take issue with my name-calling and even call it bullying. Yet, you post on and clearly endorse (given that you use “we” in your posts, as if you are representative of this community) a website that posts such things as “5 Reasons Fat Girls Don’t Deserve Love” and “5 Reasons Fat People are Evil.” Do you find this to be bullying? The author of this article clearly doesn’t, claiming this has nothing to do with hate or bigotry or bullying, but merely “reaffirming the fact obesity is not okay…and attempts to brainwash people of that fiction must be immediately destroyed with logic, science, and schoolyard insults.” Indeed, this website encourages people to post pictures of fat women to be mocked and shamed. And yet, where is your outrage at such bullying?
          Or again, does the logic only apply to “those you don’t like”?
          Indeed, you yourself are making my point by calling my behavior bullying. If name-calling and childish insults is bullying, then I guess you would have to concede that this website promotes bullying. So will you admit that this website is engaging in bad behavior and bullying? Because the author of this article and the creator of the website clearly doesn’t think so. Indeed, he seems to imply that his criticism is “righteous.”
          “Shaming doesn’t work? What is all the insulting and name-calling (“douche bags”,”whiners”) for then? You obviously think it does.”
          Actually, I make no claims that my bad behavior will do anything to curb your bad behavior. However, this website does make the claim that this fat-shaming will somehow encourage people to lead a healthier lifestyle.
          Fat-shaming does not work. Indeed, fat-shaming is correlated with such things as negative body image, unhealthy eating habits, obesity, starvation, women being unhealthily thin, binging and purging, and a variety of other harmful behaviors. Thus, the writer’s mission state is either based in ignorance or a lie. Either way, he is culpable of promoting unhealthy behaviors (fat-shaming) with the excuse that it’s to promote healthy behaviors (which it doesn’t).
          So, again — either the author is misinformed or lying about the true purpose of this “fat-shaming.”
          “In reality, your attempts to disparage protagonists here is a need to compensate for feelings of inferiority.”
          You can imagine so, but I actually see it is as demonstrating to bullies why bullying is harmful and shitty. And though you style yourselves protagonists in your endless fight against those “evil fatties”… that you and others feel the need to disparage others who have done you no harm* says far more about a need to compensate for feelings of inferiority than someone who actually stands up for another. I at least can comfort myself that my bullying may by some small measure have helped to expose the hypocrisy of a website that specifically attempts to harm others.
          *Please try to use the “but they cost more to society than “healthy” people and so they are harming me” bit. Because as I said and plenty of studies show, actual cost on society is higher for healthy people than unhealthy people (whether they are unhealthy because of diet, smoking, etc.). Thus, unless someone is actually going to argue we should encourage healthy people to be less healthy, you can see why such an argument ultimately fails.
          “As far as the health issue, only if a similar amount of categorically “non-obese” people had the same level of body fat near their organs could you make the claim that the risk was approximately the same.
          YOU CAN’T. Therefore your argument that the author is uninformed is FALSE.”
          Clearly, you don’t understand what I’m talking about. Fat around the organs is not the same as fat that lies between the muscles and skin. Thus, because they are two different things you can have a thin person who has more fat around their organs than a fat person (and vice versa). Fat around the organs is a cause of many of the health risks that are associated with obesity. And what health professionals are realizing is that thinner people have this as well. And once you actually examine people based on fat around the organs (rather than total body fat) this accounts for far more variance in health outcomes. So, again – the major culprit here is fat around the organs. Not total amount of body fat. Are people who are obese more likely to have fat around their organs? Yes. However, again someone’s actual weight is not a particularly good indicator of health outcomes and there are far better indicators, such as fat distribution and as I’ll discuss below, cardiovascular health. (But, why bother with those inconvenient facts when you can mock and shame fat people under the guise of pretending you care about health!)
          “As far as cardio-vascularly healthy, that is not the only measure of health (and you know that). Furthermore, the anomalies do not account for the norm.”
          Of course it’s not the only measure of health. But it is one of the primary underlying factors in those diseases that are associated with obesity. A person with good cardiovascular health who is heavier is likely to have better health outcomes than a thin person with bad (or even moderately bad) cardiovascular health.
          Again, that you and the author clearly don’t know these things suggests that this entire argument for why “fat-shaming” is okay is based in misinformation.
          If this site has not bothered to actually do any real research, it can hardly claim that it’s trying to “shame fat people” for the sake of health.
          Again, all that really needs to happen here is that this website needs to stop pretending that it’s advocating for greater health and really just whining that they don’t like looking at fat people and thus want to shame them.

        5. __Sticks and Stones and Everything in Between__
          There is a clear distinction between the illustrative words used in the article and the way in which denigration is used in lieu of discussion here. We (yes “we”) have already pointed out that most of the critics (well, practically ALL of them) here resort to unsubstantiated derogatory references and disparagement of character when they could have easily addressed the topic. It is definitely “bullying” as a method to dissuade protagonists when these are clearly attempts to injure the opposing party. In reality it is crude and ineffective. Really, how many protagonists has it silence. If anything it has strengthen the numbers and hardened their resolve.
          In particular, your reference to “whining bitches” is wholly unsubstantiated. This is because no one is “whining” about any unfairness in the world as you suggest. The article simply points out the apparent disconnection between the “everyone is beautiful” movement and how people really feel. If that were to be labelled as “whining”, then every presentation of how some formerly media driven concept is really based on myth would be. Apollo 11 actually landed men on the moon. Whiners. “Plate tectonics” is a real phenomenon. Whiners. There was no second shooter. Whiners. See how that works.
          The website encourages people to see things as they really are, and not as the Pollyanna view that the politically correct crowd wants it to be. It would be bullying if anyone who didn’t speak the truth were personally attacked by public name-calling for that reason alone. That isn’t the case.
          This should put any further attempt to see hypocrisy where there isn’t to rest.
          __Bully Beef__
          Does the logic apply to only those you don’t like? No, the Logic applies universally. The incomparable nature of presenting an issue (as what the website does) versus how “critic’s” replace refutation with pure ad hominem is why there is no parallel. Nice try, though.
          The name-calling and insulting are merely the instruments that one wields. The intent to injure as penalty for speaking out is the act of bullying. The authors of the articles are presenting a case, and in that execution use descriptors that are rather pointed. Again, to merely shout pejoratives without any real attempt to cover the topic is simply assailing others. You aren’t going to win this argument by continuing to ignore this important distinction. In fact, all it does is provide evidence that you are clinging to a prejudice.
          __Shame Game__
          One needs not directly claim that one’s “bad behaviour” is creating any impetus for anything. Actions speak louder than any verbatim admission. However, you clearly attempt to “shame” others by calling them “whiny bitches” for making the case that the “everyone is beautiful” movement is essentially insulting to people in general. That you have pressed this case at length, it is reasonable to conclude that you have the intent to cause injury. Hence you did not have to explicitly state the premeditation to deter via shaming. Nice try at being coy.
          This article may or may not promote the notion that shaming will cause people to alter their lifestyles. That’s just a superficial view of the subject. The real issue here is still that the promotion of “everyone is beautiful” is hardly reflecting the feelings of a lot of people. The pressure by the media is only providing more fuel to this growing backlash against political correctness for the sake of itself.
          __Binge Posting__
          Fat-shaming is the pedestrian view of this article. It’s about that as much as an article on fat-shaming as the retail industry is really about the “spirit of Christmas”. Yes, Virginia, there really is a Santa Claus… and he’s all about profit.
          The only ignorance represented here is the constant ignorance that the “everyone is beautiful” movement is just more of the usual entitlement agenda called feminism. Look at it objectively. No one is allowed to criticize any woman regardless of her self-inflicted body shape. If they do, they are insensitive jerks or “promoting harmful behaviors”. If anything this has created a league of underachievers who blame the world for their inability to be the best that they can be. Why bother? You are all “perfect” the way you are. NOT.
          What’s more is that feminists love to think that it’s about equality. However, look at what you have pointed out. Do you see as many men complaining about women disparaging obese men (and they definitely do that)? Do you see as many men having eating disorders because women love, no are obsessed with, six-packs? What you do see are men that don’t care, or men that do and go to the gym and get that washboard set of abs. You don’t see them trying to shout down women for wanting something that most men can achieve with some dedication.
          Feminists want “equality” without equal effort. That is more of what this article, this website is all about.
          As far as lying or being misinformed, we will cover that in another response.
          __Hypocrisy, now!__
          (I had to slip that title in somewhere).
          No. The whole premise that the article fat-shaming is false (as it is really a backlash to the overplayed “everyone is beautiful” movement.) Your introduction of “whiny bitches” was not to provide any poetic justice to that end either. It was meant to cause personal harm and that has already been carefully proven.
          There is no “endless fight” against any “evil fatties”. This is a false position erected by you in order to bash it down. The article sheds light on how many people (not only men) do not agree with being politically correct and grouping everyone, regardless of their BMI as “equals” insofar as how attractive they are to the general masses. That is all. There is no “bash fatties” campaign. That is purely the fantasy of those that cannot accept that the further one is from the ideal BMI, the fewer the number of people who will find you attractive will be. That’s not a big deal either since everyone is free to achieve whatever he or she can within their abilities do directly influence.
          __Nine out of Ten Doctors Agree__
          Lol. The whole studies show that “healthy” people actually cost more reasoning. I will expand more on this in another response. However, I do warn that believing the spoon-fed “findings” exposes a clear step into the “I believe what I want to believe” trap.
          Seriously. Read the studies, and what conditions are applied to arrive at the results. You will find that it’s not quite what the title says. The devil is definitely in the details. I’ll explain it soon enough, but don’t say I didn’t give you the chance to retreat from this.
          __Just the Fats, ma’am__
          No. Please stop putting words into your opposition’s mouth in order to bash them. There was consensus how fat proximal to organs is far unhealthier than fat distributed in other areas. However, it WAS said that people with a higher content of fat in those other areas are likely to have it in the areas around the organs too. Furthermore, unless you can demonstrate that there is a clear correlation that low BMI people AS A TREND have more fat distributed around their organs than a high BMI, your premise is FALSE. Quoting anomalies is not being representative.
          Please. Just as EVERY high BMI person has thyroid issues according to those who have high BMI, EVERY high BMI person is now one of the few that have cardio-vascular fitness above and beyond the typical low BMI person. You are just quoting anomalies as if they refute a trend. That is nonsense. You will probably find that those with high BMI and good cardio-vascular fitness are likely athletes (sumo, shot-putters, football players, etc…). That isn’t what we are talking about here and you know it.
          The author or I don’t know these things? No. That is wishful thinking and clearly not shown in what we have presented to you.
          __Site Unseen__
          The site author has definitely done his or her homework. In fact, it is those who rely on the superficial understanding of recent findings about the cost of healthcare that haven’t really digested those studies.
          Really, read them again, and bear in mind the caveats behind the results. They don’t support your position as much as you think. They are very similar to the cherry-picked documents that climate-change deniers use to support their claims.
          This article is a response to the ill-conceived “everyone of beautiful” movement and shows how political correctness can be abused to the point that it allows people to believe in fantasy rather than striving for personal achievement.

        6. Encouraging people to use childish insults in reference to fat people and encouraging people to post pictures of fat people to be mocked is neither distinct from posters here calling someone childish names for their bad behavior (i.e., shaming and bullying) nor is it even equivalent. The entire premise of this fat week is to call out bad behavior (in the eyes of this website, those bad behaviors being fatness and fat acceptance) and call names.
          However, since this entire website has little understanding of what “fat acceptance” is about and also makes no distinction between someone who is engaging in healthful behaviors but happens to be overweight vs. those who choose not to, the entire premise of calling out bad behavior when you see it falls flat. Indeed, it’s essentially just overgeneralizations and dare I say it, stereotyping.
          By contrast, people see bad behavior of specific people trying to shame an entire group of people (whether it be fat people or fat acceptance people) and say “I don’t like the very specific behavior (bullying a group of people based on stereotyping and misinformation) that I actually see. I am now going to shame you.” So, not only can you NOT claim that the behavior of this website isn’t bullying, but it’s actually bullying based in stereotypes and prejudice rather than bullying a specific person for a specific bad behavior.
          I’m not trying to claim that childish name calling is the right thing to do. Merely pointing out that not only does the very website you are defending actually encourage people to engage in childish name-calling and bullying behavior toward others, it encourages people to do so regardless of whether or not those people are actually engaging in the bad behavior that they’re supposedly trying to stop. So, again, it’s blatant hypocrisy (at best) to be upset that people on here are engaging in bullying behavior while taking no issue with the bullying behavior encouraged by this very website.
          Not only that, but if you base a website (or a theme of your website) on bullying, it’s almost laughable that you then expect people to respond with “real arguments” rather than the same type of behavior that this website encourages. Again, two wrongs don’t make a right. But if you want to raise the level of conversation here, how about starting with the articles that are actually posted on this website.
          And yes, I’m going to stand by the claim that this website is doing little more than whining. It’s whining that they (and the whole world) are the victim of this insidious fat acceptance movement, which clearly makes people want to stay fat (btw, would love to see any data that actually backs up that claim).
          The intention of this website may be to call out the hypocrisy of the fat acceptance movement or political correctness (though I’ll discuss the issue with that intention in a little bit, but I’ll accept that was the underlying intention). But instead did the very thing you are complaining that other posters are doing “in which denigration is used in lieu of discussion here. We (yes “we”) have already pointed out that most of the critics (well, practically ALL of them) here resort to unsubstantiated derogatory references and disparagement of character when they could have easily addressed the topic. It is definitely “bullying” as a method to dissuade protagonists when these are clearly attempts to injure the opposing party. In reality it is crude and ineffective. Really, how many protagonists has it silenced? If anything it has raised the numbers and hardened their resolve.”
          All you need to do is change who the protagonists are in this paragraph –instead its fat people and fat acceptance people, then ta da. That’s exactly what this website has done. Used childish name calling and bullying tactics to tear down people with specific opinions on a certain topic (fat acceptance), engaging in unsubstantiated disparagement of character (“fat acceptance people are clueless feminists” “fat people are evil”) when instead, they could have easily addressed the real topic. Is fat acceptance actually a bad thing? Does fat acceptance encourage people to maintain unhealthy lifestyles? Is the fat acceptance movement hypocritical? So on and so forth. So, again, quite hilariously – you are really making fantastic arguments that support exactly what I’m saying about this website.
          “The intent to injure as penalty for speaking out is the act of bullying. The authors of the articles are presenting a case, and in that execution use descriptors that are rather pointed. Again, to merely shout pejoratives without any real attempt to cover the topic is simply assailing others. You aren’t going to win this argument by continuing to ignore this important distinction. In fact, all it does is provide evidence that you are clinging to a prejudice.”
          Again, merely change the subject of what you are talking about as fat acceptance blogs/websites and you’ve also made my exact case against this website.
          “The real issue here is still that the promotion of “everyone is beautiful” is hardly reflecting the feelings of a lot of people. The pressure by the media is only providing more fuel to this growing backlash against political correctness for the sake of itself.”
          What you haven’t figured out is that fat acceptance is about the idea that one’s self-worth should not be tied to their weight. It doesn’t matter what you weigh, you are still a human being, you are still worthwhile as a person, you are still a contributing member of society, and your weight (or other people’s views of your weight) does not determine your worth as a person. This is the idea behind “everyone is beautiful.” It’s not a literal interpretation of beautiful, it’s the idea that our society places too much weight (no pun intended) on attractiveness (including your body shape) as whether or not that makes you a good person. Indeed, it’s a robust phenomenon shown in psychological studies. It’s called the “halo effect” – the idea that physical beauty is somehow indicative of other positive characteristics (intelligence, moral character, etc.) However, no studies actually support this. Attractive people and unattractive people are equally likely to be as intelligent, moral, etc., etc. A few studies do show that attractive people tend to be somewhat better at social interaction, but follow up studies have shown this likely has to do with positive feedback these people receive throughout their life because of their physical attractiveness.
          Thus, when you are attacking fat acceptance, what you are attacking is the idea that people have self-worth beyond their physical form. You are attacking the attempt to get people to see beyond their inherent psychological bias (physical beauty = good) to attempt to eliminate baseless discrimination toward people who are less physically attractive. And indeed, the fat acceptance movement recognizes that all people hold this bias – that’s why you’re not demonstrating any hypocrisy by showing that people are saying things like “everyone is beautiful” even if that same person does not find everyone attractive. All you’re demonstrating is exactly the point being made by fat acceptance advocates – we all hold a beauty bias and until we make a social effort to change that bias, it will remain.
          For a person to disagree with the idea of fat acceptance you would either (a) have to believe in the erroneous assumption that physical beauty is tied to those other positive characteristics or (b) you would have to assume that physical beauty itself is the primary characteristic that matters for a person and for society.
          If it’s (a) educate yourself. If it’s (b) explain what it is about physical beauty that is inherently “good.” (Oh, and spare me the inevitable evolutionary explanations. I’m an evolutionary psychologist – and no evolutionary biologist/psychologist etc. encourages the idea or even believes that we know what will be important characteristics for survival in the future. Anyone claiming otherwise is little more than a pseudo-scientist).
          Furthermore, fat acceptance tries to fight the idea that anyone has to “excuse” their weight to anybody else. A fat person gets to be fat if they feel like it. Just as a person who engages in other potential risk-taking behaviors (that do not directly harm others) gets to do the same. Indeed, I get pissed off when fat people say “I have such and such problem and that’s why I’m fat”.. because it encourage this notion that fat people have to give an excuse to anyone. If a fat person wants to be fat, that’s their prerogative. If a fat person doesn’t want to be fat, that’s between themselves and their doctor.
          And again, if the idea fat acceptance encourages unhealthy behaviors is the concern here (a) show me studies that actually demonstrate that and (b) explain to me why encouraging fat-shaming (no matter how you try to explain it away, this website has indeed encouraged people to engage in fat-shaming) is encouraging healthy behaviors, when data has long show otherwise.
          “You are all “perfect” the way you are. NOT.
          What’s more is that feminists love to think that it’s about equality. However, look at what you have pointed out. Do you see as many men complaining about women disparaging obese men (and they definitely do that)? Do you see as many men having eating disorders because women love, no are obsessed with, six-packs? What you do see are men that don’t care, or men that do and go to the gym and get that washboard set of abs. You don’t see them trying to shout down women for wanting something that most men can achieve with some dedication.”
          Actually, studies show that body-image, body dysmorphia, unhealthy diet habits, etc. are becoming more and more common among men. So, again, these standards of beauty for men that have becoming more frequent are ALSO having negative health effects on men. And yes, although it is still less common for men to have these issues than women that is because society has also historically put less pressure on men for their physical appearance than women (and yes, there’s an evolutionary reason for this). Nonetheless, modern society’s idea of beauty = good has become so out of hand, we are now targeting not just women, but men as well. And this is creating negative health consequences for men.
          I do not encourage fat shaming of men or women. And I do find it limiting that many fat acceptance campaigns have focused on women. It needs to be extended to men as well given the negative effects we are now seeing among men.
          “Feminists want “equality” without equal effort. That is more of what this article, this website is all about.”
          This, btw, is another symptom of overgeneralizations and stereotyping I see in this website. You have grouped all feminists into one category and have decided that you know what feminists are all about. But like many, you have probably focused only on the extremists (e.g., “all men are rapists and all sex is rape” type) and ignored the much larger group of feminists who believe in equality for women AND men. Feminists who believe that there are gender norms in society that are harmful to both women AND men. Feminists who believe that feminism isn’t about “women vs. men”, but rather about “people (regardless of gender) who want to stop gender norms that harm both women and men vs. those (regardless of gender) who ignore the harmful effects of these gender norms and/or encourage those gender norms to remain.”
          So again, what I have seen throughout this website and throughout your comments is an overly simplistic and stereotyped view of a group of people (in this case, feminists). And based on that overly simplistic, stereotyped view, denegration of an entire group of people. This is a clear pattern of behavior within this website. Whether it applies to feminists, fat people or fat acceptance proponents.
          “The article sheds light on how many people (not only men) do not agree with being politically correct and grouping everyone, regardless of their BMI as “equals” insofar as how attractive they are to the general masses. That is all. There is no “bash fatties” campaign. That is purely the fantasy of those that cannot accept that the further one is from the ideal BMI, the fewer the number of people who will find you attractive will be.”
          The article encourages fat-shaming. It specifically encourages childish-name calling. Another article encourages people to take photos of fat women, post it on twitter and attach the fat-shaming tag to it. That same article took a picture of woman and wrote “Fridge raider” on it, specifically attempting to shame a specific woman. Your attempt to claim that there is no “bash fatties” campaign is pure fantasy. That you cannot see the blatant and purposeful attacks on specific women who are fat on this webpage is the truest definition of turning a blind eye. What kind of mental gymnastics do you need to do to pretend that there is no fat-bashing on this website when it’s right in front of your face?
          “Lol. The whole studies show that “healthy” people actually cost more reasoning. I will expand more on this in another response. However, I do warn that believing the spoon-fed “findings” exposes a clear step into the “I believe what I want to believe” trap.
          Seriously. Read the studies, and what conditions are applied to arrive at the results. You will find that it’s not quite what the title says. The devil is definitely in the details. I’ll explain it soon enough, but don’t say I didn’t give you the chance to retreat from this.”
          Please do. I’d like to know how the many studies I’ve posted and many I have not which have used different methodology (including one which modeled current healthcare costs and then merely changed two parameters – obesity rates and smoking-rates – and showed an actual savings to healthcare costs) are all wrong. Indeed, I’m sure it’s all a liberal fat apologia conspiracy.
          Regardless, what you’re not understanding when I make these claims is that it isn’t about who actually costs more. It’s that the “you’re costing me more and thus I get to shame you” argument is a slippery slope. If healthy people do indeed cost more (as some studies show), would anyone who supported the idea of “costing more = gives me the right to shame you” actually suggest that we should shame healthy people into eating unhealthily? I’d wager not. And this is why the “social cost” thing is a ridiculous argument. It allows for the shaming of people who you and I both know shouldn’t be shamed (healthy people). Thus, the argument fails.
          “No. Please stop putting words into your opposition’s mouth in order to bash them. There was consensus how fat proximal to organs is far unhealthier than fat distributed in other areas. However, it WAS said that people with a higher content of fat in those other areas are likely to have it in the areas around the organs too. Furthermore, unless you can demonstrate that there is a clear correlation that low BMI people AS A TREND have more fat distributed around their organs than a high BMI, your premise is FALSE. Quoting anomalies is not being representative.”
          Are you being purposely obtuse? Nowhere am I suggesting that being thin has the same health risks as being fat. All I’m saying is that research shows that fat around the organs is a major factor in certain diseases (specifically, some of the diseases related to obesity). It doesn’t matter if there are as many thin people as fat people with fat around their organs. The risk factor of any given person who is thin and has fat around their organs is similar to that of a fat person who has fat around their organs.
          What you’re not understanding (or purposely misunderstanding) is that there are underlying causes to the associations between obesity and certain diseases that go beyond just body fat. Thus, to actually encourage increased health you have to understand and target those underlying causes rather than just screaming “FAT PEOPLE ARE UNHEALTHY!” The reason some people point out that there are underlying causes to these issues is not to “excuse fat people” (again, I don’t believe that fat people need “excuses”) it’s to demonstrate that prejudice toward fat people on the basis of them being “lazy, lacking self-control” etc., is just stereotypes. It’s overgeneralizing. It is the very definition of stereotyping. Are there people who are fat (that honestly don’t want to be fat) who then make excuses for being fat? Absolutely. But that has nothing to do with you. It has to do with them and their doctor. And fat-shaming, again, does nothing to discourage those excuses. Indeed, it only gives those people more excuses to offer themselves.
          Not to mention, many people call people “fat” who are indeed not unhealthy at all. Indeed, they have a good fat distribution that is appropriate for them. A certain amount of weight around your hips (as a female) is associated with better health outcomes. However, I’ve seen self-styled health experts (read as: random people on the street and/or on the internet) try to tell such women that they’re fat and unhealthy. Again, this is my problem. You self-styled “health detectives” have little understanding of what is healthy for that person. It’s between that person and their doctor. Your overly simplistic “fat = unhealthy” is misinformed and lazy and indeed harmful.
          Also, the overly simplistic “Fat people are unhealthy!” idea also hides the fact that there are thin people who are also not healthy but don’t realize because “Hey, I’m not fat.” The point is that as most things in life, it’s far more complicated than “body fat = unhealthy.” Actually, in truth – this webpage doesn’t even argue that high body = unhealthy. What it’s really arguing is “If you look fat to me = unhealthy.” And such an overly simplistic message like that does more harm than good.
          But, in the end, you and this website keep fighting the “good fight” against (what amounts to little more than) straw-man arguments of fat people, fat acceptance and feminism. I’m sure that will get you really far and help you achieve exactly what is it you claim you’re fighting for.

        7. Encouraging people to use childish insults in reference to fat people and encouraging people to post pictures of fat people to be mocked is neither distinct from posters here calling someone childish names for their bad behavior (i.e., shaming and bullying) nor is it even equivalent. The entire premise of this fat week is to call out bad behavior (in the eyes of this website, those bad behaviors being fatness and fat acceptance) and call names.
          However, since this entire website has little understanding of what “fat acceptance” is about and also makes no distinction between someone who is engaging in healthful behaviors but happens to be overweight vs. those who choose not to, the entire premise of calling out bad behavior when you see it falls flat. Indeed, it’s essentially just overgeneralizations and dare I say it, stereotyping.
          By contrast, people see bad behavior of specific people trying to shame an entire group of people (whether it be fat people or fat acceptance people) and say “I don’t like the very specific behavior (bullying a group of people based on stereotyping and misinformation) that I actually see. I am now going to shame you.” So, not only can you NOT claim that the behavior of this website isn’t bullying, but it’s actually bullying based in stereotypes and prejudice rather than bullying a specific person for a specific bad behavior.
          I’m not trying to claim that childish name calling is the right thing to do. Merely pointing out that not only does the very website you are defending actually encourage people to engage in childish name-calling and bullying behavior toward others, it encourages people to do so regardless of whether or not those people are actually engaging in the bad behavior that they’re supposedly trying to stop. So, again, it’s blatant hypocrisy (at best) to be upset that people on here are engaging in bullying behavior while taking no issue with the bullying behavior encouraged by this very website.
          Not only that, but if you base a website (or a theme of your website) on bullying, it’s almost laughable that you then expect people to respond with “real arguments” rather than the same type of behavior that this website encourages. Again, two wrongs don’t make a right. But if you want to raise the level of conversation here, how about starting with the articles that are actually posted on this website.
          And yes, I’m going to stand by the claim that this website is doing little more than whining. It’s whining that they (and the whole world) are the victim of this insidious fat acceptance movement, which clearly makes people want to stay fat (btw, would love to see any data that actually backs up that claim).
          The intention of this website may be to call out the hypocrisy of the fat acceptance movement or political correctness (though I’ll discuss the issue with that intention in a little bit, but I’ll accept that was the underlying intention). But instead did the very thing you are complaining that other posters are doing “in which denigration is used in lieu of discussion here. We (yes “we”) have already pointed out that most of the critics (well, practically ALL of them) here resort to unsubstantiated derogatory references and disparagement of character when they could have easily addressed the topic. It is definitely “bullying” as a method to dissuade protagonists when these are clearly attempts to injure the opposing party. In reality it is crude and ineffective. Really, how many protagonists has it silenced? If anything it has raised the numbers and hardened their resolve.”
          All you need to do is change who the protagonists are in this paragraph –instead its fat people and fat acceptance people, then ta da. That’s exactly what this website has done. Used childish name calling and bullying tactics to tear down people with specific opinions on a certain topic (fat acceptance), engaging in unsubstantiated disparagement of character (“fat acceptance people are clueless feminists” “fat people are evil”) when instead, they could have easily addressed the real topic. Is fat acceptance actually a bad thing? Does fat acceptance encourage people to maintain unhealthy lifestyles? Is the fat acceptance movement hypocritical? So on and so forth. So, again, quite hilariously – you are really making fantastic arguments that support exactly what I’m saying about this website.
          “The intent to injure as penalty for speaking out is the act of bullying. The authors of the articles are presenting a case, and in that execution use descriptors that are rather pointed. Again, to merely shout pejoratives without any real attempt to cover the topic is simply assailing others. You aren’t going to win this argument by continuing to ignore this important distinction. In fact, all it does is provide evidence that you are clinging to a prejudice.”
          Again, merely change the subject of what you are talking about as fat acceptance blogs/websites and you’ve also made my exact case against this website.
          “The real issue here is still that the promotion of “everyone is beautiful” is hardly reflecting the feelings of a lot of people. The pressure by the media is only providing more fuel to this growing backlash against political correctness for the sake of itself.”
          What you haven’t figured out is that fat acceptance is about the idea that one’s self-worth should not be tied to their weight. It doesn’t matter what you weigh, you are still a human being, you are still worthwhile as a person, you are still a contributing member of society, and your weight (or other people’s views of your weight) does not determine your worth as a person. This is the idea behind “everyone is beautiful.” It’s not a literal interpretation of beautiful, it’s the idea that our society places too much weight (no pun intended) on attractiveness (including your body shape) as whether or not that makes you a good person. Indeed, it’s a robust phenomenon shown in psychological studies. It’s called the “halo effect” – the idea that physical beauty is somehow indicative of other positive characteristics (intelligence, moral character, etc.) However, no studies actually support this. Attractive people and unattractive people are equally likely to be as intelligent, moral, etc., etc. A few studies do show that attractive people tend to be somewhat better at social interaction, but follow up studies have shown this likely has to do with positive feedback these people receive throughout their life because of their physical attractiveness.
          Thus, when you are attacking fat acceptance, what you are attacking is the idea that people have self-worth beyond their physical form. You are attacking the attempt to get people to see beyond their inherent psychological bias (physical beauty = good) to attempt to eliminate baseless discrimination toward people who are less physically attractive. And indeed, the fat acceptance movement recognizes that all people hold this bias – that’s why you’re not demonstrating any hypocrisy by showing that people are saying things like “everyone is beautiful” even if that same person does not find everyone attractive. All you’re demonstrating is exactly the point being made by fat acceptance advocates – we all hold a beauty bias and until we make a social effort to change that bias, it will remain.
          For a person to disagree with the idea of fat acceptance you would either (a) have to believe in the erroneous assumption that physical beauty is tied to those other positive characteristics or (b) you would have to assume that physical beauty itself is the primary characteristic that matters for a person and for society.
          If it’s (a) educate yourself. If it’s (b) explain what it is about physical beauty that is inherently “good.” (Oh, and spare me the inevitable evolutionary explanations. I’m an evolutionary psychologist – and no evolutionary biologist/psychologist etc. encourages the idea or even believes that we know what will be important characteristics for survival in the future. Anyone claiming otherwise is little more than a pseudo-scientist).
          Furthermore, fat acceptance tries to fight the idea that anyone has to “excuse” their weight to anybody else. A fat person gets to be fat if they feel like it. Just as a person who engages in other potential risk-taking behaviors (that do not directly harm others) gets to do the same. Indeed, I get pissed off when fat people say “I have such and such problem and that’s why I’m fat”.. because it encourage this notion that fat people have to give an excuse to anyone. If a fat person wants to be fat, that’s their prerogative. If a fat person doesn’t want to be fat, that’s between themselves and their doctor.
          And again, if the idea fat acceptance encourages unhealthy behaviors is the concern here (a) show me studies that actually demonstrate that and (b) explain to me why encouraging fat-shaming (no matter how you try to explain it away, this website has indeed encouraged people to engage in fat-shaming) is encouraging healthy behaviors, when data has long show otherwise.
          “You are all “perfect” the way you are. NOT.
          What’s more is that feminists love to think that it’s about equality. However, look at what you have pointed out. Do you see as many men complaining about women disparaging obese men (and they definitely do that)? Do you see as many men having eating disorders because women love, no are obsessed with, six-packs? What you do see are men that don’t care, or men that do and go to the gym and get that washboard set of abs. You don’t see them trying to shout down women for wanting something that most men can achieve with some dedication.”
          Actually, studies show that body-image, body dysmorphia, unhealthy diet habits, etc. are becoming more and more common among men. So, again, these standards of beauty for men that have becoming more frequent are ALSO having negative health effects on men. And yes, although it is still less common for men to have these issues than women that is because society has also historically put less pressure on men for their physical appearance than women (and yes, there’s an evolutionary reason for this). Nonetheless, modern society’s idea of beauty = good has become so out of hand, we are now targeting not just women, but men as well. And this is creating negative health consequences for men.
          I do not encourage fat shaming of men or women. And I do find it limiting that many fat acceptance campaigns have focused on women. It needs to be extended to men as well given the negative effects we are now seeing among men.
          “Feminists want “equality” without equal effort. That is more of what this article, this website is all about.”
          This, btw, is another symptom of overgeneralizations and stereotyping I see in this website. You have grouped all feminists into one category and have decided that you know what feminists are all about. But like many, you have probably focused only on the extremists (e.g., “all men are rapists and all sex is rape” type) and ignored the much larger group of feminists who believe in equality for women AND men. Feminists who believe that there are gender norms in society that are harmful to both women AND men. Feminists who believe that feminism isn’t about “women vs. men”, but rather about “people (regardless of gender) who want to stop gender norms that harm both women and men vs. those (regardless of gender) who ignore the harmful effects of these gender norms and/or encourage those gender norms to remain.”
          So again, what I have seen throughout this website and throughout your comments is an overly simplistic and stereotyped view of a group of people (in this case, feminists). And based on that overly simplistic, stereotyped view, denegration of an entire group of people. This is a clear pattern of behavior within this website. Whether it applies to feminists, fat people or fat acceptance proponents.
          “The article sheds light on how many people (not only men) do not agree with being politically correct and grouping everyone, regardless of their BMI as “equals” insofar as how attractive they are to the general masses. That is all. There is no “bash fatties” campaign. That is purely the fantasy of those that cannot accept that the further one is from the ideal BMI, the fewer the number of people who will find you attractive will be.”
          The article encourages fat-shaming. It specifically encourages childish-name calling. Another article encourages people to take photos of fat women, post it on twitter and attach the fat-shaming tag to it. That same article took a picture of woman and wrote “Fridge raider” on it, specifically attempting to shame a specific woman. Your attempt to claim that there is no “bash fatties” campaign is pure fantasy. That you cannot see the blatant and purposeful attacks on specific women who are fat on this webpage is the truest definition of turning a blind eye. What kind of mental gymnastics do you need to do to pretend that there is no fat-bashing on this website when it’s right in front of your face?
          “Lol. The whole studies show that “healthy” people actually cost more reasoning. I will expand more on this in another response. However, I do warn that believing the spoon-fed “findings” exposes a clear step into the “I believe what I want to believe” trap.
          Seriously. Read the studies, and what conditions are applied to arrive at the results. You will find that it’s not quite what the title says. The devil is definitely in the details. I’ll explain it soon enough, but don’t say I didn’t give you the chance to retreat from this.”
          Please do. I’d like to know how the many studies I’ve posted and many I have not which have used different methodology (including one which modeled current healthcare costs and then merely changed two parameters – obesity rates and smoking-rates – and showed an actual savings to healthcare costs) are all wrong. Indeed, I’m sure it’s all a liberal fat apologia conspiracy.
          Regardless, what you’re not understanding when I make these claims is that it isn’t about who actually costs more. It’s that the “you’re costing me more and thus I get to shame you” argument is a slippery slope. If healthy people do indeed cost more (as some studies show), would anyone who supported the idea of “costing more = gives me the right to shame you” actually suggest that we should shame healthy people into eating unhealthily? I’d wager not. And this is why the “social cost” thing is a ridiculous argument. It allows for the shaming of people who you and I both know shouldn’t be shamed (healthy people). Thus, the argument fails.
          “No. Please stop putting words into your opposition’s mouth in order to bash them. There was consensus how fat proximal to organs is far unhealthier than fat distributed in other areas. However, it WAS said that people with a higher content of fat in those other areas are likely to have it in the areas around the organs too. Furthermore, unless you can demonstrate that there is a clear correlation that low BMI people AS A TREND have more fat distributed around their organs than a high BMI, your premise is FALSE. Quoting anomalies is not being representative.”
          Are you being purposely obtuse? Nowhere am I suggesting that being thin has the same health risks as being fat. All I’m saying is that research shows that fat around the organs is a major factor in certain diseases (specifically, some of the diseases related to obesity). It doesn’t matter if there are as many thin people as fat people with fat around their organs. The risk factor of any given person who is thin and has fat around their organs is similar to that of a fat person who has fat around their organs.
          What you’re not understanding (or purposely misunderstanding) is that there are underlying causes to the associations between obesity and certain diseases that go beyond just body fat. Thus, to actually encourage increased health you have to understand and target those underlying causes rather than just screaming “FAT PEOPLE ARE UNHEALTHY!” The reason some people point out that there are underlying causes to these issues is not to “excuse fat people” (again, I don’t believe that fat people need “excuses”) it’s to demonstrate that prejudice toward fat people on the basis of them being “lazy, lacking self-control” etc., is just stereotypes. It’s overgeneralizing. It is the very definition of stereotyping. Are there people who are fat (that honestly don’t want to be fat) who then make excuses for being fat? Absolutely. But that has nothing to do with you. It has to do with them and their doctor. And fat-shaming, again, does nothing to discourage those excuses. Indeed, it only gives those people more excuses to offer themselves.
          Not to mention, many people call people “fat” who are indeed not unhealthy at all. Indeed, they have a good fat distribution that is appropriate for them. A certain amount of weight around your hips (as a female) is associated with better health outcomes. However, I’ve seen self-styled health experts (read as: random people on the street and/or on the internet) try to tell such women that they’re fat and unhealthy. Again, this is my problem. You self-styled “health detectives” have little understanding of what is healthy for that person. It’s between that person and their doctor. Your overly simplistic “fat = unhealthy” is misinformed and lazy and indeed harmful.
          Also, the overly simplistic “Fat people are unhealthy!” idea also hides the fact that there are thin people who are also not healthy but don’t realize because “Hey, I’m not fat.” The point is that as most things in life, it’s far more complicated than “body fat = unhealthy.” Actually, in truth – this webpage doesn’t even argue that high body = unhealthy. What it’s really arguing is “If you look fat to me = unhealthy.” And such an overly simplistic message like that does more harm than good.
          But, in the end, you and this website keep fighting the “good fight” against (what amounts to little more than) straw-man arguments of fat people, fat acceptance and feminism. I’m sure that will get you really far and help you achieve exactly what is it you claim you’re fighting for.

        8. __The Right of the Bully__
          No. The whole premise of your defence of those that ONLY seek to harm their opposition (as in ONLY applying personal insults UNRELATED to the subject matter) is that the article’s presentation was deemed abrasive enough to warrant hostility. Even then, there is no excuse for offering nothing in refutation.
          Such a defence is poor at best.
          Whether the article was provocative enough is subject to each person’s opinion. Even if the delivery of the content was seen as an affront, it doesn’t encourage a fusillade of pejoratives any more than it encourages a logical rebuttal. Choosing one path and avoiding the other is a personal choice.
          Note that since most critics have chosen the former without any real attempt at the latter, it is telling of their character. Did you yourself not LEAD with such angry report without even the slightest shred of an earnest refutation? People often hide behind “anger” to excuse their inability to counter an argument. This is the camouflage that excessive hostility really is.
          By pretending that direct ad hominem based on irrelevant and unrelated attribute (“you have a small wiener”, “you must be alone”, “you have this or that”, etc.) is the SAME as unfriendly terms to illustrate a point, one gives license to this kind of retaliation for a perceived slight. That’s merely excusing trolling behaviour because “I’m angry”. Seriously. That’s what every fundamentalist uses as an excuse to mete out their brand of vengeance. That’s pretty lame.
          The fact remains that those who only choose to shout derogatory remarks and avoid any real rebuttal are just showing that the concepts of the article have some merit.
          __The Articles of War__
          It is almost laughable that we expected people to be civilized? No. Actually that is yet another misrepresentation of your opposition.
          If anything, it was wholly expected that critics would practically all behave like angry little children that aren’t getting their way. However, we gave people the benefit of the doubt. That they choose to act in hostility is completely their own auspice.
          Mephisto said: “The intention of this website may be to call out the hypocrisy of the fat acceptance movement…”
          Again. You are purposely misrepresenting a view in order to refute it (in fact, we will show that you have a habit of doing this). What WAS said was that this article is a response to how the “Everyone is beautiful” movement creates a sense of entitlement that merely “being you” is makes you equal. It exposes the underlying disagreement that is “political correctness” attempts to mask.
          As far as “complaining”, that is yet another misrepresentation. We merely point it out for what it is where it occurs. It is this exposure of the true nature of this “hostility in lieu of earnest rebuttal” that you have trying to obfuscate (yes, you are constantly attempting to DEFLECT from each point by misrepresentation).
          The side trip into “is fat acceptance this?” or “is fat acceptance that?” is more of that deflective tactic. The article is about the general rejection of the “Everyone is beautiful” campaign. There has been no question as to WHAT that campaign was. It doesn’t get any clearer than that.
          As far as your opposition ironically making an argument on your behalf, you are having a fantasy. We have indicated nothing (and that does not include your conjured representations) that supports any of your claims. Please. You are really clutching at straws now in attempts to retaliate for being refuted (clearly indicated in the focus on “YOU are wrong” instead of “YOUR ARGUMENTS are wrong).
          __A Roast by any other Name__
          Mephisto said, “…merely change the subject of what you are talking about as fat acceptance blogs/websites and you’ve also made my exact case against this website.”
          No. The “responses” here that are purely denigration on any who see merit in the article are still nothing more than ad hominem. The subject here could be about the excessive use of green in signage at the airport, complete with how green “really sucks”. That does not give those who create green signage carte blanche to resort to childish name-calling. They can still do that, but it is an essay on their maturity. Again, when it is done without ANY attempt to counter their opposition, it pretty much tells the audience they really have nothing to say.
          __A matter of Fat__
          Mephisto said: “What we haven’t figured out is that fat acceptance is about the idea that one’s self-worth should not be tied to their weight”
          No. That is another misrepresentation rearing up again.
          The “Everyone is beautiful” campaign attempts to dismiss the variable of body-fat content to the point that it has no bearing at all. That’s far beyond couching it as, say, self-worth should not be tied to one’s weight. Self-worth should be tied to all aspects of one’s conduct that is within their control. To eliminate one variable is to ignore it (and that is EXACTLY the meaning of how you have worded it). That is essence of DENIAL.
          Mephisto said: “Thus, when you are attacking fat acceptance, what you are attacking is the idea that people have self-worth beyond their physical form.”
          Wow. The logic there is absolutely flawed.
          It is a misrepresentation that rejecting “Everyone is beautiful” (even the aspect of body-fat) is rejecting the variables beyond physical form. That is like saying disagreement of “Let’s ignore traffic conditions” automatically means no other variable affects the suitability of a neighbourhood. Honestly, can you not see the flaw in that logic? Only YOU are seeing the rejection of “Everyone is beautiful” regardless of fat-ratio as dismissal of every other variable that makes a human being worthy. NO ONE has even remotely said or suggested that.
          In reality, the rejection of the “Everyone is beautiful” movement is drawing focus on how body-fat content IS part of the equation. This is the part that many cannot accept to the point of trying to shut down any discussion of it (lol. …because anyone who rejects “Everyone is beautiful” is ONLY concerned about physical form… NOT)
          Please, you need to apply VALID logic.
          __Pick a Card, but only one of THESE two__
          The choices you give: (a) have to believe in the erroneous assumption that physical beauty is tied to those other positive characteristics (b) have to assume that physical beauty itself is the primary characteristic that matters for a person and for society…
          …these are based on YOUR faulty logic and in reality is not really comprehensive on the matter and is not representative of the entire family of solutions.
          As we have just mentioned, the rejection of “Everyone is beautiful” (regardless of body-fat ratio) DOES NOT assume that it is the ONLY variable, or even a major variable of the human worth equation. This was YOUR flawed analysis (and I certainly hope that it was ONLY to promote your argument here, and not really an indication of cognitive ability… really).
          The rejection of “Everyone is beautiful” (regardless of body-fat ratio) is about how the movement attempts to COMPLETELY eradicate it from the equation. It’s the movement that surreptitiously removes the variable. Those who call out the “Everyone is beautiful” agenda is saying that the variable has its place and is not near zero.
          Thus you really have no argument applying this “logic”. Feel free to try another angle.
          Beauty? Most will agree that however subjective it is, it has influence on people. Since it is you that believes that it should not, it makes more sense for you to tell all of us why that is. Do bear in mind that many fortunes are made peddling nothing but the veneer of aesthetics. You will have a very difficult time convincing anyone that it doesn’t have some significance in the equation.
          Lol. It was just a matter of time before the academic chest beating started. Incidentally, one’s credentials are vicariously damaged when an argument is so flawed in construction. However, if you wish to wager such heraldry, you can assume I am a grade school drop out. It is the arguments being tested here, and not what papers one adorns their office walls with.
          __Excusing the Excuses__
          No one is expecting any person to justify one’s fat-ratio. This is the self-consciousness of those who are not comfortable him or her self. As far as the “Everyone is beautiful” movement, it is really about promoting the usual, “I’m fine, in your face, and that is that” attitude.
          Mephisto said: “If a fat person doesn’t want to be fat, that’s between themselves and their doctor”.
          Here you betray an agenda to remove personal culpability of one’s own body shape. Namely, you are suggesting that body fat-ratio is something that generally requires professional medical advisement. Yes, it is not “explicit”, but the innuendo is clear. This is very much the way the “Everybody is beautiful” movement feeds denial.
          Seriously, do you think that people can’t see that? (Don’t even attempt to claim that this is “paranoia” or something ridiculous).
          __Surreptitious Repetition__
          OK. This one really is proof that you have an indefensible position.
          Mephisto said: “explain to me why encouraging fat-shaming is encouraging healthy behaviors”
          Nice try. Just where have I said or suggested such a thing. If you CANNOT demonstrate that, this in itself is clear proof that you employ wholly FALSE accusations in order to discredit your opposition. YOU WILL BE HELD TO TASK ON THIS ONE because this constant employment of straw-man arguments is clear proof of the type of surreptitious tactics of those who really do not have a legitimate argument. No quoting out-of-context now.
          As a reminder, we have maintained that this article is about the latent disagreement with how the “Everyone is beautiful” movement promotes an attitude of denial towards personal responsibility and the drive to maintain a healthy body fat ratio. It is not about “fat shaming”. It is you that incessantly focuses on this aspect, and attempt to label it as the position of your opposition.
          With respects to the fomenting of unhealthy behaviors, your exact words…
          Mephisto said, “Indeed, fat-shaming is correlated with such things as negative body image, unhealthy eating habits, obesity, starvation, women being unhealthily thin, binging and purging, and a variety of other harmful behaviors.”
          These unhealthy habits are the product of LOW SELF ESTEEM, as is the unhealthy habit of resorting to bullying via name-calling and trolling behavior.
          When we mention “entitlement”, we are addressing how people feel that everyone needs to walk on eggshells around those who suffer from low self-esteem while those with such affliction are given free reign to be disrespectful to others. That’s correct. You feel NO ONE should bring up body fat EVER, but people with self-esteem issues can name-call and bully simply because they feel shamed.
          Remember the part about “Women expect equality without the cost”? Where is this not happening here?
          __Goose and Gander__
          Dancing around on this are we?
          You were essentially asked to explain why men do not succumb to body image peer pressure to the extremes and rate that women are. That the rate is increasing does not explain why the magnitude and percentage of eating disorders are at wholly different levels between men and women. It is still a much lower rate, and the extremes that head into unhealthy behaviour are nowhere near as prevalent in males as it is in females.
          The disparity is also not accounted for by differences in media pressure either. The exaggerated desire for “six-packs” has been around for quite sometime. However, we still don’t see the rate of anorexia in men as we see in women. High fat-ratio in men has been an undesirable trait for just as long. Do you see the same rate of support groups for “shamed” men as you see for women?
          If anything, the media is far more “cruel” to obese men than it is to obese women. Men in general are portrayed far more satirically than women are. Husbands in sit-coms are always oafish and basically dumber than the women. Women are always portrayed as fine human beings that are under appreciated and under employed. It should be obvious that we have created a society that mollycoddles women to the point that they feel entitled to this special treatment. This apparently extends into how they feel they have the “right” to insult and name-call, while ANY criticism of them is outrageous hostility and shaming.
          Please.
          __Generally Speaking__
          No. Generalizations are not intended to create a false sense of panacea.
          The generalizations you speak of are a necessity of the medium. While one could preface every reference with a disclaimer about the nebulous nature of any label, for the sake of the discussion, it is implied that the simplification is adequate for making the point.
          As far as feminists are concerned, it is common for people to rely on the broad-spectrum definition of the term. However, this does not detract from the trends that are observed. If anything, this is really just a retreat to arguing semantics.
          In particular, no one is saying, “we know what feminists are all about”, so that is yet another attempt to misrepresent your opposition. What we do see is that the feminist movement generally (there’s that concept, “generally”, lol) want the advantages that men have, while retaining the advantages they have already. Furthermore, some of the advantages in either gender cannot be practically replicated for the opposing gender. If you believe this to be false, feel free to lift over your shoulders what the average man can (no quoting anomalies here now).
          As far as this article and my comments, you can claim they are “overly simplistic”. However, that aside from straw-man arguments, you have been unable to find any fault, it is a pretty hollow claim.
          __Gym Dandy__
          Mephisto said, “This article encourages fat-shaming”.
          Again, on a superficial level, the article is about “fat shaming”. However, you of all people should be able to discover that it is a backlash on the “Everyone is beautiful” mantra that feminist (yes, that nebulous word) movement is shoving down everyone’s throat.
          It is a parody when you consider the outlandish nature in which it is presented. Furthermore, it is no different from how popular culture loves to portray men as buffoons (such as Homer Simpson, Alan Harper, Han on 2 Broke Girls, etc). However, do you see men literally having a fit and name-calling people over that? No.
          What do you see here? Woman after woman feeling it is there right to post all sorts of hostile responses (some involving mutilation and bodily harm) all because they feel that they have been slighted by some article that is really so over-the-top that few will take it seriously.
          If anything, it is women, “in general” who gloss over how popular culture demonizes men while placing women on a pedestal. It is so expected, that any variation less than that is seen as a personal affront.
          __Researching the Truth__
          Mephisto said, “ ‘You’re costing me more and thus I get to shame you’ is a slippery slope.”
          No. We understand that research quite well. We also understand that you provided reference to it because you feel that because it couches the results as healthy people costing the system more in the long run.
          Mephisto said, “I’d like to know how the many studies… are all wrong”.
          Misrepresenting your opposition again are we? Just WHERE did we say those studies were “ALL WRONG”. What we alluded to is that unless one reads the details, they will hastily “simplify” the results to mean that healthy people cost the system the most in the long run. As much as you like to think your opposition not understanding the research, you are not correct in such assessment. You have one more chance to back down from this.
          __Acute Obtuseness__
          Mephisto said, “Are you being purposely obtuse? Nowhere am I suggesting that being thin has the same health risks as being fat.”
          No, but you apparently are.
          We referenced your statement:
          “However, many people who would not be considered obese also have this fat around their organs and have the same health risks as those who are obese (usually because of being sedentary).”
          As couched (in context) you IMPLY that since thin people with fat deposits around their organs have the same health risks as obese people with the same condition, that being obese has no correlation to such health risks any more than a thin person. You go on to use this as a premise that:
          “Thus, no part of your mission statement is actually rooted in any real facts”.
          We stated that unless you can demonstrate that the rate of such exhibit in thin people is similar to that of obese people, you claim is essentially FALSE. You know this, and are just trying to deflect away from it. Seriously. Who is trying to be deliberately obtuse here?
          __Everyone’s an Anomaly__
          Mephisto said, “Not to mention, many people call people “fat” who are indeed not unhealthy at all.”
          When you can demonstrate that this is not only beyond an anomalous group, but is in fact, a trend (that there is a positive correlation between obesity and fitness), you may gain some credibility. However, if you are quoting exceptions to negate a rule… it’s pretty much a sign of denial.
          This is the problem with claiming your opposition are merely self-styled “health detective” while implying that your medical knowledge transcends any statistical dictum. Really. Climate deniers at least try to claim a trend.
          __Straw man and Black Kettles__
          Mephisto said, “But, in the end, you and this website keep fighting the “good fight” against (what amounts to little more than) straw-man arguments of fat people, fat acceptance and feminism. I’m sure that will get you really far and help you achieve exactly what is it you claim you’re fighting for.”
          Seriously? That is rich.
          You clearly are the purveyor or straw man arguments (we have provided ample evidence of this in this post) and you accuse your opposition of erecting scarecrows? Come on. That is really clutching at, er, straws.
          What “fight” against fat people? Most, if not all of the protagonists here don’t care how people wish to treat their own bodies. That’s up to each person’s desires.
          Against the “Everyone is beautiful” movement and Feminism (in “general”)? That’s actually pretty easy since all that is needed is to show that those who support it do so by name-calling anyone who doesn’t. Furthermore, those who pretend to have some sort of educated support are shown to employ straw man arguments and other typical fallacies in debate.

        9. I see this style of arguing all the time on the internet. Your entire diatribe is little more than hair-splitting, semantics and outright denial to try to avoid having to actually answer for any argument made against you or this website. You dance around every point that this website has made and every point you have made, essentially committing to no position, so that when someone rebuts a claim you made, you can say “Nuh unh! I didn’t say this, I said that!” And when someone then raises a rebuttal against “that”, you reply by saying “I didn’t say that, I said this other thing!” You make broad statements that make no real claim or argument except to say “No, whatever you’re saying is wrong. You’ve taken me out of context.” Big clues to this are excuses like “All this is parody”, “no one takes any of it seriously.”
          That you refuse to commit to any real position and use hair-splitting and semantics to try claim someone is misrepresenting you and this website, demonstrates more than anything that you have no real argument. Nor are you interested in having a real conservation about the issues as you claim (I’m sure you’ll respond next that you never claimed you wanted people to talk about the issues and I’m taking you out context again). You are only interested in maintaining some veneer of “correctness” and “righteousness” for your behavior and the behavior of this website, while simultaneously telling everyone else that their “righteousness” and “facts” are misplaced, without offering any facts of your own.
          I see this behavior on comment threads all the time. If you commit to nothing or claim that what you said was taken out of context (even when people directly quote you), you can then never be “proven wrong” and can sit at your computer nodding to yourself about how grand you are for showing everyone else how “right” you are and how “wrong” they are.
          Nonetheless, I will engage once again to see if I can actually get you to commit to a position so that we can actually discuss the issues with your arguments and this website.
          “Again. You are purposely misrepresenting a view in order to refute it (in fact, we will show that you have a habit of doing this). What WAS said was that this article is a response to how the “Everyone is beautiful” movement creates a sense of entitlement that merely “being you” is makes you equal.”
          “Being you” makes you equal to what? I’m fascinated to hear what exactly fat people (or unattractive people more generally) are not equal on. Is it merely they are not equal in general definitions of attractiveness? Wow. Excellent point. Nobel prize over here.
          But again, to suggest that this is the idea behind the “Everyone is beautiful” campaign is to literally take the most superficial understanding of the campaign and then consider yourself geniuses for pointing out the obvious. If you want a pat on the head for that, sure.. I’ll humor you. If that was the entire point of this week… well, you went really out of your way to point that out. Congratulations.
          So, if (I’ll stress IF, so you can stop accusing me of deflecting and misrepresenting you) your issue is merely that you think that fat people are not equal in levels of attractiveness as thin people (according to many) then you are not arguing against the “Everyone is beautiful” movement. You’re arguing against the straw man argument you’ve made out of the movement.
          However, if you are suggesting that people who are fat are “unequal” in some other sense… I’m practically wetting myself over here to see on what level you and this website have determined that fat people are “less” on.
          “The side trip into “is fat acceptance this?” or “is fat acceptance that?” is more of that deflective tactic. The article is about the general rejection of the “Everyone is beautiful” campaign. There has been no question as to WHAT that campaign was. It doesn’t get any clearer than that.”
          The general rejection of the campaign for what? That’s the question.
          If it’s the point I made above that everyone is not equally attractive, then again – thank you for pointing out the obvious. Not sure what we’d without all of you geniuses. But, again, since that’s a superficial understanding of the fat acceptance movement, you’re rejecting a straw man version of the campaign, not the campaign itself.
          And again if (IF) that’s your point, then I’m going to suggest that “the side trip into ‘is fat acceptance this?’ or ‘is fat acceptance that?” isn’t really a side trip at all since you really don’t seem to understand the campaign whatsoever.
          This website has also implied and you yourself have implied that a problem with fat acceptance is that it encourages people to engage in unhealthy behavior. But no, no.. that’s not the point. (Though, I find it interesting that this became “not the point” the moment I asked you to provide evidence).
          So, again clarify to me (just so I don’t misrepresent you) what exactly it is that bothers you about the fat acceptance. I want concrete statements. “I reject fat acceptance because….”
          “The rejection of “Everyone is beautiful” (regardless of body-fat ratio) is about how the movement attempts to COMPLETELY eradicate it from the equation. It’s the movement that surreptitiously removes the variable. Those who call out the “Everyone is beautiful” agenda is saying that the variable has its place and is not near zero.
          Thus you really have no argument applying this “logic”. Feel free to try another angle.”
          Again, misunderstanding of the movement. The idea is to remove other people’s negative perceptions of your body as being an important factor in who you are. It attempts to remove the variable that who you are should be defined by some asshole who feels it’s his/her mission to tell you that you are ugly/disgusting/fat etc. It says “accept who you are and love who you are.” If you want to change things about yourself (including your weight) do so because YOU want to. Not because people have shamed you into (which again, we know does not help). If you choose not to, if you decide you like the way you look, then great. That’s absolutely your prerogative and you should not be torn down or made to feel “less” for that. And I get that you disagree with that idea. I get that you think your opinion of a perfect stranger should somehow be important to that stranger. But again, like it or not, people get to choose to engage in high-risk behaviors if they want to (as long as they are not directly harming anyone else). Indeed, this very website encourages high-risk behaviors (i.e., sleeping around) – high-risk behaviors which are associated with greater rates of disease and costly to society. And not only do you not seem too bothered by that high-risk behavior, nor does this website seem to believe that it should be shamed (indeed, one of the articles goes so far as to claim that society (or women, feminists or whatever the enemy du jour) is holding you all down by trying to shame you out of that high risk behavior). Again, it’s a behavior that is a choice, that is high-risk, and that some people would see as disgusting and worthy of shaming. And yet, not only do you not shame the same type of high-risk behavior, you (or this website) are actually angry that people dare shame men for it. I wonder if you see any irony in that whatsoever. So again, every argument you raise against “fatties” and “fat acceptance” can be similarly fired at other behaviors that are encouraged on this website. Thus, yet again, we see another case “it’s okay to use these arguments against something I don’t like” but if it applies to something I do, nevermind.
          But I’m sure you’ll tell me how there is some important distinction between a high-risk behavior that is (as long as it is consensual) is harming no one else, yet is correlated with disease, is costly to society, is a personal choice, that some find disgusting and like to shame (but in your mind should not be shamed), versus another high-risk behavior that is harming no one else, yet is correlated with disease, is costly to society, is a personal choice (to some degree) and that some find disgusting and like to shame (but in your mind should be shamed). I look forward to hearing this distinction (and save the “you’re just deflecting” and actually make an argument. Dancing around the points I’m making doesn’t make you right, it just makes you like you’re afraid to actually make an argument.)
          “Beauty? Most will agree that however subjective it is, it has influence on people. Since it is you that believes that it should not, it makes more sense for you to tell all of us why that is. Do bear in mind that many fortunes are made peddling nothing but the veneer of aesthetics. You will have a very difficult time convincing anyone that it doesn’t have some significance in the equation.”
          I made no claim that beauty should never have an influence (look again at you oversimplifying an argument. This pattern never seems to change with you). Beauty is relevant for choosing a mate. It is relevant perhaps even in modeling clothes, selling movies, etc. My claim is not with the idea that beauty has no importance or has no influence. My point is that it is well documented psychological bias that people believe beauty is correlated with other positive traits when it is in fact not. (I made this patently clear in my first post that I was talking about such a bias. So either you are purposely ignoring parts of my posts or you are doing the very deflecting and misrepresenting of my words that you claim I am doing to you.)
          My problem is that people are discriminated against for being less attractive on things that are irrelevant to beauty. This discrimination has been demonstrated many times over in the psychological literature. So, the argument I make is that that beauty should not be an influence when it is irrelevant. Like it or not, to suggest otherwise is to choose from one of the two options I presented.
          “Lol. It was just a matter of time before the academic chest beating started. Incidentally, one’s credentials are vicariously damaged when an argument is so flawed in construction. However, if you wish to wager such heraldry, you can assume I am a grade school drop out. It is the arguments being tested here, and not what papers one adorns their office walls with.”
          Yikes. Someone is touchy. I merely pointed it out before someone made a jackass of themselves peddling pseudo-evolutionary arguments which I have seen strewn about these articles and these comments sections. I’ll be sure not to mention any of my credentials again, since it seems to upset you so much.
          “Here you betray an agenda to remove personal culpability of one’s own body shape. Namely, you are suggesting that body fat-ratio is something that generally requires professional medical advisement. Yes, it is not “explicit”, but the innuendo is clear. This is very much the way the “Everybody is beautiful” movement feeds denial.
          Seriously, do you think that people can’t see that? (Don’t even attempt to claim that this is “paranoia” or something ridiculous).”
          Aha! Here we go. We have an actual concrete statement by you. “’Everybody is beautiful’ movement feeds denial.” Denial in which sense? No one is under the impression that everyone will accept them as beautiful. No one is in denial that weight is associated with health risks. (Indeed, that you people point these things out as if it’s some revelation is laughable. It’s like the people who lecture others on the harms of smoking. “Well shit, son! I would not have known if you hadn’t shown up here and told me! I’ve been hiding under a rock for 20 years!”)
          Again, the fat acceptance movement is about loving who you are, ignoring those who believe it is there place to deride you because of your weight, and making your own decision as to whether or not you want to change your weight or keep it. Based on what YOU want. Not what others pressure you into. Fighting the idea that you should hide yourself or feel ashamed of yourself because of your weight. If you like it, fine. If you don’t, don’t feel ashamed (shame, btw, psychological studies show actually causes withdrawal from the issue rather than trying to rectify whatever the issue is) and take healthy measures to change it. Make the decision for yourself.
          And if anything, the fat acceptance movement is likely to encourage people to take more interest in their own health rather than less. This is a hypothesis on my part.. but given that we do know that higher self-esteem, positive-self image and positive body image are associated with taking an interest in one’s appearance, attempting to improve one’s self, engaging in healthier behaviors, etc. I’d wager a whole of money that studies would show that fat acceptance will actually increase healthy behaviors and actually decrease obesity in the long run.
          And as for it being between a person and their doctor? Yes, I do in fact recommend people discuss it with their doctor. People have such warped ideas about what is a healthy weight (and no, I don’t mean in the sense of being too fat – I mean in the sense of being too skinny. Indeed, in yet another post on here someone actually recommended 800 – 1200 calories for a woman. That, btw, is ridiculously unhealthy. Women who eat that few calories and are active are likely to become so malnourished that they stop menstruating), or what a healthy way to lose weight is, or what the ideal weight and fat distribution is for them. Indeed, going back to the point I made – without a doctor, one may not know that despite being of a proper weight that he/she still has fat around your organs.
          And going to your doctor to ensure that you are of a healthy weight, achieving a healthy weight, the best way to achieve weight loss, etc. is hardly “removing culpability.” I’m not even sure how you made that logical leap. Indeed, I’d suggest going to a doctor to remedy health problems or to check that you’re engaging in healthy behaviors is an excellent step in taking responsibility for one’s self.
          “Indeed, fat-shaming is correlated with such things as negative body image, unhealthy eating habits, obesity, starvation, women being unhealthily thin, binging and purging, and a variety of other harmful behaviors.”
          These unhealthy habits are the product of LOW SELF ESTEEM, as is the unhealthy habit of resorting to bullying via name-calling and trolling behavior.”
          Now here is an EXCELLENT example of removing culpability. Berating people, bullying people, passing their picture around the internet to mock them, or doing a variety of things to publicly shame people (and in this connected world, publically shame people in front of millions of people) is not at all a problem or correlated with these issues. No, no.. it’s just that silly person is stupid enough to have low self-esteem.
          Bullying and shaming people (whether it be about weight or any number of other perceived “flaws” of said person) has an incredibly strong correlation with all kinds of things – from the many things I have listed in regards to fat-shaming, as well as depression, social withdrawal and yes, even suicide. But the bullies always pretend they are not culpable.
          Also, bad news about your self-esteem argument. Sociometer theory suggests that self-esteem is a measure of social feedback. The more negative social feedback you receive, the more likely your self-esteem is to be lower. Thus, bullying does have a direct effect on self-esteem, which you yourself have claimed to be a cause of all these unhealthy behaviors. So, thank you for making my point. You have repeatedly done an excellent job of that.
          “When we mention “entitlement”, we are addressing how people feel that everyone needs to walk on eggshells around those who suffer from low self-esteem while those with such affliction are given free reign to be disrespectful to others. That’s correct. You feel NO ONE should bring up body fat EVER, but people with self-esteem issues can name-call and bully simply because they feel shamed.
          Remember the part about “Women expect equality without the cost”? Where is this not happening here?”
          Well, not only have I demonstrated that self-esteem is not just a characteristic of the person but of the social feedback they receive and thus yes, others play a direct role in that self-esteem. But furthermore, there is difference between “walking on eggshells” and “not being an asshole.” I know you guys seem to have a problem with that distinction because you seem to think it is your duty to go out of your way to make sure that perfect strangers know you find them disgusting.
          Not to mention, I have said several times that name-calling isn’t appropriate and that bullying is indeed wrong. I have repeatedly said two wrongs don’t make a right. I recognize my behavior and the name-calling of others isn’t a positive thing. But at least I can recognize that. You still think that somehow this website is engaging in some righteous cause by encouraging bullying of others.
          And yes, you can keep claiming it’s not really about fat-shaming that there was some underlying point and it was all in good fun or whatever excuse you want to give this time around. But no matter what, this website specifically encouraged name-calling, bullying, etc. And I will gladly quote several instances. To suggest otherwise is literally denial.
          “I ask you, dear reader, what outlet has advanced fat shaming as much as we have?”
          “FSW was a success because it helped create a safe space for men to shame obesity.”
          “…schoolyard insults.”
          “ …shame any attempts at fat apologia.”
          Those are four lines just from this very article.
          Then again, we have the article built entirely around the idea of fat-shaming – the take pictures of fat women article.
          “In support of this website’s successful Fat Shaming Week campaign, I urge, you to get out there and every time you see a girl with a bit of muffin top, bingo-wings or indeed cankles – take out your smartphone and snap a photo of her, then upload it to Twitter with the hashtag#FatShamingWeek.”
          “Prancing around, ruining the fond memories that any man under 30 will have of his formative years spent with his PlayStation 1, Miss Seida was photographed by a passer-by, curious as to why Peter Griffin from Family Guy was wearing short-shorts.
          Now riding a wave of global infamy, Miss Seida, after a number of inevitable cupcake/bacon/twinkie binges, penned a wordy response at left-wing wailing-post Salon.com. In the midst of paragraphs of inane self-rationalization comes this nugget of excuses;
          It took her photo being shared by tens of millions of people, and the scorn of thousands to finally realize that years of emptying fridges with her mouth had culminated in her becoming an unsightly walking tumor on the face of the planet.”
          Yes, you explain to me how that isn’t a specific attack on a specific woman that would qualify as bullying. Or are you going to try to tell me that calling her “an unsightly walking tumor on the face of the planet” is somehow “just speaking truth”?
          Or are you going to tell me I took them out of context? Or am I deflecting and misrepresenting again?

        10. “You were essentially asked to explain why men do not succumb to body image peer pressure to the extremes and rate that women are. That the rate is increasing does not explain why the magnitude and percentage of eating disorders are at wholly different levels between men and women. It is still a much lower rate, and the extremes that head into unhealthy behaviour are nowhere near as prevalent in males as it is in females.
          The disparity is also not accounted for by differences in media pressure either. The exaggerated desire for “six-packs” has been around for quite sometime. However, we still don’t see the rate of anorexia in men as we see in women. High fat-ratio in men has been an undesirable trait for just as long. Do you see the same rate of support groups for “shamed” men as you see for women?”
          Again, as I have suggested it is due in part to different social pressures. The extreme desire for six packs has been a part of our culture for how long… maybe 30 or 40 years? How long have high beauty standards been around for women? I’d say you’d probably find it in every culture throughout history. Don’t get me wrong, there are standards for men as well. But these standards deal more with status and resources. Whereas in the EEA, that status and resources likely came with size and muscle, in modern industrialized societies (pretty much from the industrial revolution on) it comes more so from money and position (which does not necessarily require bulk or strength). What’s hilarious is that I will hear men whine that all women want is a rich guy, but simultaneously have no problem demanding a hot girlfriend or mocking ugly women. However, from an evolutionary perspective – beauty in women and access to resources in men are top priorities in mate preferences, so in some ways you can think of them as equivalent. However, you will hear songs about “I don’t care how much money you make, I still love you…” but how many songs do you hear “I don’t care if you’re ugly, I’ll still love you.” People will blast golddiggers as being horrible people, but have no problem suggesting that men wanting only hot women isn’t just okay, but the right thing to do. I’m sure the hypocrisy in that will go over your head.
          But this is a bit tangential to the point. The point is that there are evolutionary reasons that culture tends to tie attractiveness to women’s self-worth more so than men. (And btw, spare me the naturalistic fallacy by telling me how if it’s natural, then that clearly makes it right.) These innate predispositions are exacerbated by culture and thus cultures historically place far more weight on women’s attractiveness than men’s. Thus, women (more than men) are made to feel like their self-worth is tied to their appearance. And thus, not surprisingly, women are also far more likely to have problems with body image, eating disorders, particularly in modern society where media makes those extremes more ubiquitous. (Indeed, we see that in countries that previously had little to no incidence of eating disorders, as exposure to western media increases, the incidence of eating disorders increases significantly). The problem is that as women attempt to compete with each other for mates, they push things to extremes. Ironically, it is often women who tend to pressure other women into being thinner for male attention and this has created a skewed sense of what is actually attractive. An interesting study actually demonstrated that women (on average) think men prefer women to be skinnier than men (on average) actually do.
          But, as interesting all this is, the point is – there are a lot of ultimate and proximate causes to the fact that unhealthy habits due to negative body image are more common among women. And indeed, only until our culture started pushing the same ridiculous body standards on men, did we start to see the same kind of disorders among men. Which demonstrates more than anything that it is culture’s obsession with an unattainable body image which is likely a major culprit in eating disorders, body dysmorphia, and so forth.
          “Men in general are portrayed far more satirically than women are. Husbands in sit-coms are always oafish and basically dumber than the women. Women are always portrayed as fine human beings that are under appreciated and under employed. It should be obvious that we have created a society that mollycoddles women to the point that they feel entitled to this special treatment. This apparently extends into how they feel they have the “right” to insult and name-call, while ANY criticism of them is outrageous hostility and shaming.”
          I will agree that men are often portrayed this way. However, that you miss the many ways in which women are shamed about their bodies or told by society that their self-worth is rooted in their looks is little more than confirmation bias.
          Why do you think diet commercials are often targeted at women? How about the many thousands of beauty products targeted at women? Why is it that only until recently that almost every main female character is highly attractive whereas ugly or even unfit men could be main characters in movies, tv and video games? And though there are many highly attractive men who are successful in the movie business, there also many who are not attractive whatsoever. However, how many famous actresses are there that a large percentage wouldn’t consider attractive?
          How often when we compliment young girls do we compliment them on their attractiveness, while we compliment boys on a variety of other traits? Women are taught from an early age that your worth is in your looks. It may be more subtle (or so common that it doesn’t even occur to people the effect it has), but it is there. And though I imagine you will tell me I’m just a whiny feminist making shit up, the things I am talking about are well documented. You can pretend they aren’t there, because you’re specifically looking for where men are castigated and not women. But they are there. They are ubiquitous and women know it. Because they’re told it often.
          Again, this is not to suggest there aren’t also other harmful pressures on men. And again, many feminists recognize that gender norms (some evoked from our evolutionary predispositions) are harmful for both men and women.
          “The generalizations you speak of are a necessity of the medium. While one could preface every reference with a disclaimer about the nebulous nature of any label, for the sake of the discussion, it is implied that the simplification is adequate for making the point.
          As far as feminists are concerned, it is common for people to rely on the broad-spectrum definition of the term. However, this does not detract from the trends that are observed. If anything, this is really just a retreat to arguing semantics.”
          And what is the broad spectrum definition of feminism? I’m pretty sure it’s not “woman want equality without trying.” So nice try there. You made an overgeneralization about feminists. Own up to it and stop dancing around it.
          “Furthermore, some of the advantages in either gender cannot be practically replicated for the opposing gender. If you believe this to be false, feel free to lift over your shoulders what the average man can (no quoting anomalies here now).”
          Shit, son. You don’t say. Well, I would not have figured that out without you. Again, you are relying on extremism and straw-man arguments of feminism to easily knock down feminist arguments. Jezebel is a bunch of extremists. I’ll sit right there with you on that one. They are a vocal minority of asshat feminists who give feminists a bad name. But educate yourself on the different types of feminism, such as the different ideas between equity feminism vs. gender feminism before you make uneducated blanket statements about a group of people. I know that means you would actually have to do some work. But if you’re actually interested in making an argument against a group, you actually have to know what you’re talking about. However, as your track record shows, that’s not really your style. Straw-man arguments are far easier.
          “Again, on a superficial level, the article is about “fat shaming”. However, you of all people should be able to discover that it is a backlash on the “Everyone is beautiful” mantra that feminist (yes, that nebulous word) movement is shoving down everyone’s throat.”
          Superficial or not, I have listed the many, many, many examples in which this site specifically encouraged fat-shaming. And if you had any message beyond that, it got lost in the name-calling, fat-bashing, and all around immature way it was approached by this website. Indeed, I went to go look on twitter at the #fatshamingweek tag to see how many examples I could find of people actually doing what Ray Starke encouraged in his article, because I was determined to show you the negative reach this fat-shaming idea had.
          And hilariously, what I found in looking through hundreds upon hundreds of tweets with that hashtag was about 10 or so people (half of which appear to be authors on here) repeatedly promoting fat-shaming. And the rest responding negatively to the whole fat-shaming idea, instead promoting fat acceptance, and making a mockery of fat-shaming week.
          And this is by far the clearest example of how one your previous quotes actually supports my position. I’m actually going to steal it and adjust your quote to demonstrate this again:
          In which denigration is used in lieu of discussion on this website. I have already pointed out that most of the articles and commenters on here resort to unsubstantiated derogatory references and disparagement of character (of fat people, fat acceptance proponents and feminists) when this website could have easily addressed the topic. It is definitely “bullying” as a method to dissuade discussion of fat acceptance when these are clearly attempts to injure the opposing party. In reality it is crude and ineffective. Really, how many fat acceptance proponents has it silenced? If anything it has raised the numbers and hardened their resolve.
          “No. We understand that research quite well. We also understand that you provided reference to it because you feel that because it couches the results as healthy people costing the system more in the long run.
          “Mephisto said, “I’d like to know how the many studies… are all wrong”.
          Misrepresenting your opposition again are we? Just WHERE did we say those studies were “ALL WRONG”. What we alluded to is that unless one reads the details, they will hastily “simplify” the results to mean that healthy people cost the system the most in the long run. As much as you like to think your opposition not understanding the research, you are not correct in such assessment. You have one more chance to back down from this.”
          I’m sorry. Please explain to me how my conclusions from these studies are wrong. Feel better? I also have to laugh at the idea that you keep “threatening” to explain it to me and giving me a chance to back down. Your avoidance of actually doing it strikes me as being symptomatic of what I was talking about at the beginning of this post. It’s much easier to dance around the point rather than actually offer an argument. Because if you do offer an argument it would require you to make concrete points which could potentially be refuted. And it’s patently clear that you do everything you can to avoid committing to any real position so that no one can “refute” you. But give it to me. I promise, I’m shaking in my boots about it.
          “As couched (in context) you IMPLY that since thin people with fat deposits around their organs have the same health risks as obese people with the same condition, that being obese has no correlation to such health risks any more than a thin person. You go on to use this as a premise that:
          “Thus, no part of your mission statement is actually rooted in any real facts”.
          We stated that unless you can demonstrate that the rate of such exhibit in thin people is similar to that of obese people, you claim is essentially FALSE. You know this, and are just trying to deflect away from it. Seriously. Who is trying to be deliberately obtuse here?”
          “However, many people who would not be considered obese also have this fat around their organs and have the same health risks as those who are obese (usually because of being sedentary).”
          I see the problem in this quote. I admittedly overstated the case. I should have been more careful in my wording. And I apologize for that. What I meant to say (and indeed clarified in my post following the one you are quoting) is that a person who is obese who has fat around their organs and a person who is thin that has fat around their organs have similar health outcomes on many of the diseases that are associated with obesity. Fat around the organs tends to actually be a better predictor of many health outcomes than actually knowing someone’s BMI or even total body fat. This is not to suggest that thin people have the exact same health outcomes of fat people or even that thin people with fat around their organs have the exact same health outcomes as obese people generally (though, again, I did say the latter erroneously at the beginning. Not intentionally, but I don’t expect you to believe me nor do I really care if you do). Nor did I ever deny at all that there is a higher correlation between obesity and fat around the organs. Indeed, I specifically stated in one of my posts that there are more obese people with fat around their organs than thin people. So, even with the erroneous claim on my part originally, you’re still making an argument that makes no sense. A given person who is thin that has fat around their organs has similar health risks (on certain diseases) to a person who is fat and has fat around their organs. That risk doesn’t require that an equal amount of thin people have fat around their organs as obese people.
          But again, you are so worried about the “anomalies” and how they don’t represent most fat people. But what you haven’t figured out is the point that merely looking at a fat person and deciding you know something about their health (or hell, know if they are currently engaging in health behaviors to remedy their weight) or any variety of things is impossible. Sure, you can make the assumption and then deride them to your little heart’s content. But again, it mostly just makes you an ass for overgeneralizing when you don’t actually know that person’s situation. But again, overgeneralization is a thing for you, as is so patently clear. It is the basis of almost every argument you have made.
          “OK. This one really is proof that you have an indefensible position.
          Mephisto said: “explain to me why encouraging fat-shaming is encouraging healthy behaviors”
          Nice try. Just where have I said or suggested such a thing. If you CANNOT demonstrate that, this in itself is clear proof that you employ wholly FALSE accusations in order to discredit your opposition. YOU WILL BE HELD TO TASK ON THIS ONE because this constant employment of straw-man arguments is clear proof of the type of surreptitious tactics of those who really do not have a legitimate argument. No quoting out-of-context now.”
          “This shows that all you have to do to force a women to face her problems and take control of her life is to take her picture and upload it to the internet.”
          This would indeed imply that the shaming women will help them to face “their problems” (in this case being fat) and take control of their life by taking her picture uploading it to the internet and (as he goes on to say). Thus, suggesting shaming will somehow help her to be healthier.
          But, you’ve got me. I realize now that I am reading into that. The easier explanation is that what this really about is making sure fat women realize they are an “unsightly walking tumor on the face of the planet.” Apparently you guys have little interest in actually improving anyone’s health or discouraging people from being overweight. I seem to have made the mistake of assuming you guys were just misguided douchebags who thought you were doing the world some service by trying to improve people’s health via bullying. But, no, apparently I was wrong. Apparently I was giving you guys WAY too much credit. Because it seems you really are just assholes who have made it your personal mission to ensure that fat women know that people find them “disgusting” and that you tear down the “fat acceptance” movement for allowing these women to believe they are “beautiful.”
          If my interpretation is true (and again, you let me know, since I’m finding your claims of me misrepresenting you as I try to peg down what your actual position is a bit tiresome) your behavior is even more reprehensible than I previously thought. Your mission appears to be that you want to make sure that people know that you find them disgusting because they are fat. You want to make sure that women out there understand that their physical form should be judged, should be torn down, because you don’t like it and don’t want to look at it.
          And even sadder, is that you are under some misperception that these women DON’T KNOW that most people don’t find them attractive. That they don’t know society loves thinness over fatness. That they don’t know they will be discriminated against for things unrelated to their weight.
          They do. They are aware of it. Probably painfully so. However, I still can’t imagine how anyone can actually have a problem with someone not being ashamed of themselves regardless of their physical appearance. Shame does no good for anyone. Shame is actually a harmful emotion that causes withdrawal, depression, and avoidance.
          A strong sense of self, good self-esteem, and a positive body image do far more good for people insofar as both physical and psychological health than shame. And that’s exactly what fat acceptance tries to promote. You are so busy worrying that someone might dare to feel “entitled” to not be torn down by assholes who don’t even know them, you are so busy making sure women who are not physically attractive hear it yet again (because, I’ll bet you they hear it many times over in their day)…. I just… I can’t wrap my head around what kind of person you have to be. Honestly. What is it about you that is SO offended that a woman have high self-esteem and a positive body image even if she doesn’t fit yours and society’s idea of an appropriate weight or attractiveness? What is it that makes you say to yourself “You know what? Fuck this shit. It’s a fucking injustice to the WORLD that there are women out there who are ugly or fat that people are encouraging to feel like a beautiful person. I am going to make it my personal mission to make sure they know that ain’t fucking true.”
          Honestly.. I’m being sincere here… seek help. I’m not trying to tear you down here. I’m trying to recommend that you figure out what it is in you that makes you want to harm others for the crime of being told they are beautiful even if they do not fit society’s idea of attractiveness. What in the name of God makes a person wake up one day and say “You know what? There are far too many ugly or fat women out there who feel entitled to not be torn down about their unattractiveness.”
          I wasn’t actually angry before. Indeed, I thought of you guys mostly as a joke. But wow… I’m actually starting to get angry. Because you guys actually think you are somehow doing the world a favor by making sure women know they’re “fucking disgusting” and “walking tumors.” You actually think that there is something so criminally wrong with anyone feeling beautiful even if they are unattractive to most others that you seek to tear them down. That you seek to diminish any movement who would dare encourage such an atrocity as telling women they are beautiful even if they are not attractive to most.
          How is that a crime? And how is that a crime worth devoting a week to shaming people over? And spare me.. spare me your fucking dancing around the shaming part. This website titled it that. This website used the fatshaming tag. This website posted pictures of specific women to be mocked by a slew of commenters. This website encouraged people to take pictures of fat women and post them on twitter with the fat shame tag so that millions of people could mock them.
          For the fucking crime of feeling entitled to not be torn down and to feel beautiful even if they aren’t actually attractive.
          And if I’m wrong, if I’m misinterpreting what you’re saying, then just answer two questions:
          What is the crime you’re railing against?
          And how does the punishment this website meted out (intentionally or not) at all fit that crime?
          And tell me in concrete, specific terms. Because if you can’t. If you can’t answer these questions without dancing around the point… we both know then that you have no justification.

        12. Good arguments. Mephisto is obviously just avoiding your points and if you look at her post on the other thread about Seetha the feminist you will see that she does the same for other guys. It’s good to see people actually coming up with some things on topic. The thread gets a little hard to read because there are several Mephisto-s on it. Anyhoo, you are definitely right on. I’ll have to read the rest later. This is way long.

        13. On the nose again. Phistsof. Mephisto is doing exactly the putting words into your mouth routine. I think people do that when they can’t admit they are wrong. I have to commend you for even trying cause most people wouldnt even bother with trying to reason with people like that. Good on you though. I don’t know if I have the time to read through the next section but i’ll try maybe later.

        14. Holy. That was a freaking marathon read. I had to put it up on two windows to see who said what. Well. You are the master. I like how you completely pulled apart the arguments. It really is sad to see how some people resort to echoing things back like that’s somehow winning. Great job. Too bad most people probably won’t read it. That last set of posts from Mephisto where she goes into all that personal attack sums it up well. You totolly proved your case. It’s way past midnight. Will check for more tomorrow. Oh, and thanks to Zhukovski for pointing me here.

        15. No worries, bro. What did I tell ya huh? That MeFATSO is the biggest troll loser here. Can you believe how she totally makes up shit when she got cornered? Then she goes on about *style of argument* crap. Most guys admit when they are wrong, but this troll? What a loser.

        16. Thanks all of u for this. All these femtrolls are losers. This Mephisto is just the worst of the bunch. What an ignorant full of herself shit stormer. They are all just a bunch of fat cows that look for excuses for being fat. Go check out the 7 most common feminist insults page. Thats all you need to see.

        17. Which shit did I make up? I’m curious to hear.
          Was it the psychological studies on the harmful effects of shame? The psychological effects of bullying? Sociometer theory of self-esteem?
          The explanation of the fat acceptance movement that doesn’t fit with the straw man arguments presented here?
          The studies that show that healthy people cost more?
          The fact that there are more tweets using the fat-shaming tag in support of fat acceptance and thus it appears your entire week did more to push fat acceptance into the fore?
          Call me a troll because of my trolling behavior. Hey, I deserve that. But let’s not pretend here that you, Phists, or anyone actually made any real arguments or have a shred of evidence for any claims made either by the articles or in the comments supporting the articles.
          I know that I got written off as a troll NOT when I was trolling (indeed, the more I troll, the more you boys have actually responded to me). Rather, I got written off as soon as you boys realized that you wouldn’t win any actual arguments with me because unlike you bunch I am well-informed on the topic at hand.
          The only one here who attempted to make half an argument was Phists of Phury.. and even then, he didn’t really make an argument so much as keep telling me what his argument ISN’T (which is usually a clear sign that no actual argument exists).
          And I know.. blah blah blah.. I’m just trolling to feel superior. Yada yada yada fatty ugly feminist. But, like I said — my comments get far more attention when they consist only of insults and trolling than when they are filled with arguments and facts. You can try to misdirect and claim that those posts got ignored because “I’m a troll and I make up facts.” Yet no one has bothered to actually raise an argument against me or provide any evidence against my arguments, which apparently should be incredibly easy to do since “I make shit up.”
          So, it’s pretty clear — you boys respond to my trolling with more trolling (and incredibly clever names like “MeFatso”) because it’s easy pickings. Yet when facts show up, the majority of responses are more trolling or silence because any other response would require a defensible argument and facts to support it.

        18. rofl. hot damm. that meFATSO, mephisto troll-oo-ooo-lll thinks that acting like she had real shit makes it all legit. Like nobody can read and see the “I’m right, you’re wrong” grade five *style of argument* that she does. What a complete loser and sore loser.

        19. Right stuff, big Zhukker.
          MeFATSO is the loser poster supremo. She thinks bringing up all sorts of loosely related shit that people weren’t talking about can somehow hide all stuff that she was shown to be wrong about. Talk about childish. That corvinus guy has also shown her that her big fat lies about her evidence is just a bunch of part-truths. No one’s gone silent because they don’t have an answer. They’ve gone silent because they don’t bother to talk to sore loser children.

      2. I don’t have reasonable arguments so I just insult others.
        I admit to trolling with the excuse that others deserve trolling by calling posts ‘misinformation’ even though I can’t prove that they are. I’ll call them douchebags because I love being childish.
        I cry about the injustices placed on me by my own inability to accept the truth.

        1. I actually did demonstrate that you boys spread misinformation just below. And not one person actually provided a single piece of evidence that refuted any of my points. Indeed, Phists just stopped talking when asked to provide any evidence and then suddenly the Mephisto copycat showed up. You also seem to have a pattern of writing similar to Phist’s style (lacking only the pretentious little titles he puts in his posts), so I’m going to guess you are in fact Phists of Phury and you resorted to this copycatting my name and trying to mock me roughly around the point when you realized you couldn’t actually raise a valid argument against any of mine.

        2. I really haven’t demonstrated anything about misinformation just below. And it looks like Phists actually did refute a lot of my points. Indeed, Phists is on other threads but I just claim he or she stopped talking around the same time. The pattern seems to match me, but I’ll say it matches Phists. So I’m going to guess that there is this conspiracy against me since I realize that I haven’t raised a valid argument against anyone here. Every one of my posts is about how everyone is childish even though all I do is say every one else is.

      3. I don’t have reasonable arguments so I just insult others.
        I admit to trolling with the excuse that others deserve trolling by calling posts ‘misinformation’ even though I can’t prove that they are. I’ll call them douchebags because I love being childish.
        I cry about the injustices placed on me by my own inability to accept the truth.

        1. I really haven’t demonstrated anything about misinformation just below. And it looks like Phists actually did refute a lot of my points. Indeed, phists are on other threads but I just claim they stopped talking around the same time. The pattern seems to match me, but I’ll say it matches Phists lacking the pretentious little titles. So I’m going to guess that there is this conspiracy against me since I realize that I haven’t raised a valid argument against anyone here. Every one of my posts is about how everyone is childish and I keep repeating how no one has answered me.

        2. I actually didn’t demonstrate that you boys spread misinformation just below. And at least one person actually provided more than a single piece of evidence that refuted all of my points. Indeed, Phists just stopped talking to me when I was asked to provide any evidence and then suddenly couldn’t. No Mephisto copycat showed up, it’s just me talking to myself to make more posts. I also seem to have a pattern of writing similar to Phist’s style in order to be a copycat (lacking only the pretentious little remarks she puts in her posts), so I’m going to guess I am in fact all Mephistos and not Phists of Phury. I resorted to this copycatting of my name and trying to mock me roughly around the point when i realized i couldn’t actually raise a valid argument against any of this.

      1. Very clever. I’m sure your fellow masculine men will pat you on the back and tell you what a big, smart boy you are for that witty gem.

      2. Very clever. I’m just a big fat feminist sow that can’t argue any point so I stick to just taunting others. I basically act like an 8 year old child having a temper tantrum. I talk big online but in the real world I just have a big butt. If I really had anything to say, I’d say it, but I just get all defensive and act like people listen to trolls like me.

        1. What makes me laugh the hardest is that you attempt to suggest that I am the one being childish and having a temper tantrum while you simultaneously copy my name and “mock me” the way a 5 year old does to his/her sibling.
          You boys seriously do not understand the meaning of irony.

        2. What makes me laugh the hardest is that I attempt to suggest that everyone else is childish when every one of my posts is just mocking everyone as masculine and witty. I seriously think that it’s ok for me to do it, but if someone else does it its childish. But whatever, that’s what trolls do.

        3. What makes me laugh the hardest is that I attempt to suggest that everyone is mocking me when all I do is mock other people. I simultaneously copy my name and “mock myself” because I think everyone is a 5 year old like me.

  32. How about stupid-shaming the morons who set up this ridiculous action? A week wouldn’t be long enough, though.

    1. Feel free to create a blog for just that purpose. It would be far more effective to your agenda then coming here to cast insults.

      1. She could do it but it wouldn’t be as popular because there’s not much of an argument she can make.

      2. But that’s hard work!
        And she’s a fat feminist — proof enough that she can’t handle such efforts!

  33. Dear shamers. You don’t have any right to tell others how to live their lives. Sorry to break it to you. I had expected you knew already, like anyone else. PS: Stop harrassing others. Focus on yourself. And get a life.

    1. It is actually YOU who is attempting to tell/shame others into conforming to your whims by coming here to call people names simply because they don’t agree with you (or you don’t agree with them).
      Feel free to focus on that.

      1. Seriously? The authors of the blog were the ones who started the shaming in the first place, not the commenter They were the ones who did the name calling in the first place. Nobody can expect to attack people and not be attacked just the same??!!!!

        1. How is it shaming? People can be whatever shape they want to be in. The opinions expressed by the authors may be blunt and not as politically correct as what one would find in a mainstream article, however, they are opinion.
          As such, they can be countered by reasonable argument.
          You can choose to refute via hostility and generally throwing a tantrum, but all that proves is that the opposition to the authors are rather immature.
          The excuse to be excessively hostile is just an excuse. You can attack THE CONTENT without attacking THE PERSON. Know the difference.

    2. Fact: Obamacare means we have to pay for you fat shits’ health insurance. So yes, it is our business.

      1. And healthier people cost us more, so healthy people stop being healthy so I don’t have to pay for you! Also, I assume you’re male. Male’s higher likelihood risk-taking behavior is also an issue insofar as healthcare costs, as is your sex’s general refusal to get preventative testing Thus, all your behaviors are now my business. Stop doing everything you are doing and stay in your house and only leave to go get preventative care.
        Yay, slippery slopes!

        1. And healthier people cost us more, so healthy people stop being healthy so I don’t have to pay for you!
          Right. Healthy people cost more because they use the health care system less.
          You dumbass.

        3. For a group of people who claim (or at least the collective hive mind that is Phists of Phury claims) that you’re interested in talking about the issues on here, I notice that anyone posting facts (that don’t fit the narrative of this website) on here just get downvoted.
          No discussion. Just downvotes. It’s interesting that 13 people have a problem with a post that is nothing but citations supporting a point I made earlier. What’s so upsetting about this post? That there are facts out there that undermine the uninformed position you all are trying to cling to?
          Poor things. Facts can be awkward for people when they base their arguments on a lack of them.
          Many commenters on here like to claim that because people just fire insults, that means they have no argument. However, I’d suggest that when arguments backed by facts are met with silence– that is what truly indicates a lack of an argument.
          Just as Phists of Phury seems to have gone silent on the other thread of comments as soon as he (they?) was asked to actual stick to a position, make concrete statements and back up those statements.
          Not to mention — he still hasn’t followed through on that “threat” of telling me why my conclusions from these studies are wrong. The silence is more telling than any insult.

        4. For a group of people who (and at not in the least the collective high mind that is Phists and Phury) are interested in talking about the issues here, I notice that everyone notices that I don’t really post facts (that I don’t have a narrative like this website has) on here so I just get down voted.
          No discussion. Just down votes because I really am just ranting. It’s interesting that so many people have a problem with a post that is really nothing more than trying to cut out comments from some research that fits what I am saying. Who wouldn’t be upset with posts like that? Those are parts of research and not the whole story. Isn’t that’s what crazy people cling to?
          Poor reasoning. Facts can be awkward so people like me have to cut them up and paste only the parts that look like it agrees with me.
          Many comments on here about me are about how I just fire insults, and say I have an argument based on these cut-up research news items. I’d suggest that when arguments backed by half-truths and insults, people will meet it with silence — I don’t have an argument and I’m just trying to shout people down.
          I love to claim all the Phists and Phury have gone silent on the other thread of comments even though every one of those threads have had Phists continue on and those against the Phury have gone silent (or, like me have just gone into ranting and raving). He or they have concrete statements and only I am saying that they don’t talk to me because I am right — ignoring that its because I’m wrong and just can’t admit it.
          Not to mention — I think the silence towards a self-admitted childish troll like myself is because Phury don’t have the answer, when the real truth is that I don’t deserve an answer. People can read. Like most crazy ranters, I think if I say it enough, I’ll be right even when I am wrong.
          The silence is telling of the disrespect I have earned more than anything else. I should have stuck to the argument rather than going to personal insult.

        5. You are going back to posts from a few weeks ago. The vast majority of us have moved on, and that’s why we no longer reply. But since you keep coming back to this article, I’ll oblige this once.
          The links you showed wherein healthy people cost more in health care than obese/unhealthy people are half right. But, the obese and otherwise unhealthy cost more until they die in their 50s and 60s. And the reason healthy people end up costing more is because their children stick them in nursing homes (the “expensive 24-hr care” they talk about), which cost $thousands a year.
          One may argue, however, that their families would not have money to blow on nursing homes if the people in the nursing homes hadn’t earned that money to begin with. Generally speaking, poorer people who have no trace of Alzheimers will never end up in nursing homes. As a matter of fact, I expect nursing homes to go out of business, even with the baby boomers retiring, because they’ll no longer be affordable at their current inflated prices. They’ll be forced to move in with their children or nephews/nieces.

        2. You didn’t the question. You are the one that doesn’t have the answer.
          You don’t have the answer so you go straight to childish insults. Really, try harder.

        3. $43 billion: that’s a minimum estimate of how much U.S. taxpayers pay — into Medicaid alone — each year for the right of fatties to stuff their chubby faces and be couch potatoes.
          According to US Government records, the *diseases fatties get* for being fat (hypertension, diabetes, stroke, and heart disease) are the four most expensive conditions to treat.
          Just in Medicaid (not even counting Medicare, private health insurance, or local public hospital costs), taxpayers pay that $43 billion plus each year to treat these conditions (and that’s in unadjusted 2008 dollars!).

        4. Dear Moron:
          Guess what — insurance companies *do* micro-manage health factors and lifestyles.
          Smoke? Health insurance, life insurance, and long-term care insurance premiums can go higher.
          Family history of cancer? Life insurance and long-term care insurance premiums can go higher.
          No-seatbelt ticket? That’s a moving violation. Car insurance, life insurance, and long-term care insurance can go higher.
          Alcoholic? Health insurance, life insurance, and long-term care insurance can go higher.
          DUI? Car insurance, life insurance, and long-term care insurance can go higher.

      3. We all have to pay for the drinker’s liver issues, the smoker’s lung issues, the un-fit parent’s bastard kid, the stupid kid that falls off a tree’s broken leg, the list can go on. Unless you are the picture perfect god of health and basically stay in doors all day in a padded cell, you have no say really.
        And if you are truly someone who believes in health, I would encourage you to get out and contribute to the cause. Obesity is a socioeconomic issue. Poor people can not afford the healthiest of foods in urban areas. I should know, I was raised by a poor mother. My father died when I was 5 and my mother did everything she could to keep us fed. She would even go days without food. For the most part, we could afford the $2 boxes of Hamburger Helper and other processed, high caloric foods. Fruits, veggies, good meat was too expensive, as it is now. I ended up being a fat kid due to the emotional issue of losing my father suddenly, my mom going to work and then being fed by the failing school lunch program and 99 cent frozen meals.
        Now, as a successful adult, I am physically fit because I have the money to be. I have the money to buy good wholesome food.
        You are doing nothing but looking like complete morons. You are so concerned about your taxes paying for Obamacare? Why don’t you get off your ass and get involved with the anti-GMO movement, or school lunch programs. It’s easy for you to sit behind your screen and bitch, but it takes a real man to act.

        2. The answer is that they’re not interested in people’s health. Indeed, one of their own claimed this to be so. Don’t confuse them with facts either. They get super angry and then start shouting the same words over and over again (derivations on fat, ugly, and feminist). Sort of like when you hide a banana from a monkey — just a lot of confused screeching and arm flailing.
          The only respond in this way and mainly to troll-y comments because, my theory is, that’s all they can manage to comprehend. Anything else takes “5 hours to read” and it’s “like a novel.” You got to keep things short, to the point and insulting to communicate with them on any level.

        3. The answer is that they are interested in people’s health. Indeed, all of their own proved this to be so. Don’t confuse my ramblings with facts either. I get super angry and then start to attack others by shouting the same insults over and over again (driven by my fat, ugly, trolling feminism). Sort of like when you hide a banana split from a hungry feminist — just a lot of confused screeching and flabby arm flailing.
          I only respond in this way and with troll-y comments because, my theory is, that’s shouting the same lies will eventually make it the truth. Comprehend? Nobody else fakes “5 hours of reading material” that is a fictional “novel.” I have to keep things long, off the point, yes off the point, and insulting in order to feel like I am communicating my hatred. That is my level.

    3. Actually, Nancy Butthurt from Holland, I do have a right to tell others how to live their life. Of course, It’s up to them if they want to listen or not, but it’s absolutely within my right to up go to a whale and tell them to lose some weight. And there’s not really much you can do to stop me. U mad?

      1. Actually no. No you can’t. That’s called harassment. Plus you might find yourself getting punched in the face. Freedom of speech does not free you of responsibility for your words but good luck with that.

        1. lol harassment. Some people just relish being the victim, don’t they? It may be harassment to a weak-willed person like you, but I call it friendly advice. Maybe even tough love. Or even a wake-up call, if you will.
          “Plus you might find yourself getting punched in the face. Freedom of speech does not free you of responsibility for your words but good luck with that.”
          And nor did I claim the contrary to any of that. You want to punch me because you can’t handle the truth that you’re an eyesore to the people around you? So be it. I doubt it’ll happen though. Fat people often can’t lift their arms.

        2. OH please. Is that the best you can do? Neither would it be tough love or friendly advice as it is quite obvious you posses the empathy for others.

  34. I can only assume all of your nasty comments and shaming of my body hides a person who just does not have the confidence, equipment and experience to handle a real woman anyway.

  36. I wanna congratulate ROK on having the guts to say what most people are thinking. Being obese is a clear sign of lacking self-respect. If u cannot respect yourself, than how the hell can you respect others? BTW, if “fat-shaming” is only an opinion, than how come people get so upset over it? My guess…the truth hurts.
    I do exercise, and I am unafraid of posting my pic. IMO, fatties should be forced at gunpoint to exercise untill they puke, pass-out and then be forced to exercise some more when they wake up. The police should take fatties to jail and make then lose weight. ‘Nuff said.

  37. My wife is a beautiful plus size woman. She is not obese, but very curvy and very healthy. She gets me up every morning with a wonderful green smoothie and then joins me on our morning bike ride. Not all fat woman are unhealthy. My wife just had her physical and her results came back beautifully. I have never seen her gorge and pig out on a McDonald’s value meal or jug of ice-cream, but she has been larger her entire life. For the record, I am a good catch too. I hold 2 master degrees, am a business owner and we have a pretty nice life. My wife was also not the first plus sized woman that I had ever dated. I have loved a curvier figure since I was a child. I just find them to be softer and sexier and better in bed. I dated 2 skinny women and both were pillow princesses who were ashamed of their bodies and lacked so much confidence in everyday life.
    I am sure that it’s probably pointless to respond to such a ridiculous post but when my wife showed me the whole fatshaming week posts, my first thought was that either A)Your mother did not give you the tit for a long enough time, or B)You were burned bad by a fat woman. Either way, this is probably one of the stupidest things that I have seen on the internet and I hope you know how ridiculous you look to normal people.

    1. Your wife is fat? I’m so sorry to hear that, brother. I’ll say a prayer for you tonight.

      1. Your attempt at an insult just makes me laugh. I see my beautiful, fertile, curvy, creamy, soft, sensual, sexy wife’s larger body like I would see the color of a woman’s hair.
        I will say a prayer for you, because I am assuming that you are some lonely little troll who spends his nights jacking off to Megan Fox pictures, wishing that you had a woman to love and please and be pleased by her.
        I, on the other hand, get to go home in 30 minutes to a cocktail waiting for me, my gorgeous wife and later a dip in our hot tub over looking the gorgeous Los Angeles city lights.
        Have fun tonight, random internet dude and give Rosy and her five sisters my regards.

        1. No skin off my back. You’re the one with the whale for a wife, not me. Tell me, how do you fuck a fatty? I imagine it takes quite the effort, moving all those jelly rolls around just so you can find that hole between her legs. Does she also enjoy swallowing your cum? Seeing as how she’s fat as fuck, I’d say yes. Fatties are always hungry, after all. Stick anything in front of them and they’ll eat it, no matter what.

        2. I imagine that I fuck my wife like you fuck your mother. Tell me. Do you get your mom nice and wet with some oral play or do you just spread those cheeks and dive in? Do you let your father join in?

        3. You are disgusted by fatty waddler.
          Your overuse of adjectives gives you away.
          I bet she is reminiscent of gilbert grape’s mother..

        4. She actually looks like a plumper version of Natalie Portman, but whatever makes you feel better.
          I am disgusted by men like you, and at the same time, I deeply pity you. I am sure that you live a very sad existence.

        5. What is your wife’s name, moooo or oink ?
          Does it actually chew the trough slop, or simply inhale, like most fatties ?

        7. My cow of a wife IS my mother. Inbreeding is the way to go for trolls like myself. In real life, I’m just a fat feminist that is just angry at the world. Moo.

        10. More likely she looks like a drag version of a plumper Eric Cartman, but whatever lies you fat feminist trolls feel better with.
          You are disgusting to men in general, and at the same time, unworthy to have pity for others. There’s no sadder existence that being in denial.

      1. How am I making excuses? I love her and find her beautiful. Actually, I find most women to be beautiful. It’s men like you who will never be happy because you yourself are so unhappy. I would be willing to bet you $1000 that you are some ugly, lonely, piece of shit, working some crappy ass job, living in your mother’s home, sitting around trolling the internet and hating on anyone who is enjoying their life.
        You should probably go and kill yourself, because your life is not going to get any better, I promise.

        1. Although she’s not purposely doing so,your lard ass wife does serve the public.
          She and the rest of the waddlers are kind of like the old drug commercials for obesity;
          Here is your body on fat- disgusting, pathetic, weak, useless.
          Mothers tell your children not to do as she has done. Put the shovel down, step away from the trough, take a walk or maybe run, (regularly).
          Two things fatties hate – exercise and gravity.
          P.S. Love RoK, how can a sane person not ?

    1. And again to the critics, feel free to create such a blog (complete with comment section) and see how it goes.

    1. Douche Bags are nearly always hastily and incorrectly identified. Even so, maybe you can create such a blog if it interests you.

  40. As a genetically superior alpha male, Im disgusted by your stance. Shaming anyone for anything is incredibly destructive and cowardly. These people are all fighting their own battles and don’t need you idiots kicking them while they are down. No one wants to be fat. There is plenty of room in this world for you to leave them alone and keep banging all the hot chicks. Live and let live and act like a truly superior male. – Mike Neilson, Nova Scotia Canada

  41. Men who protest this much are attempting to overcompensate for the tiny size of their little dicks – which coincidentally is in direct proportion to their little IQ’s. Hilarious. Reading your followers comments is akin to a conversation between dumb & dumber. Hahahaha.
    Return of Kings??? You’re dreaming. More like Return of the 3 Inch weener.

    1. Just the usual string of insults. That’s pretty lame. Do you honestly think that men care about the typical childish “your weenie is small” bash? lol.

      1. Ask any woman if it’s childish to be repulsed by a 3″ dick….ahhh, NO. Me thinks you are more interested in what guys think about the size of your little dick. Jokes on you little fella

        2. Oh, how original! More penis insults.
          Why would you cyber-bully over something that’s genetically-determined and not under men’s control?
          Did this article make fun of girls’ heights, races, or skull shape? Should women be bullied for small boobs or big feet?
          Don’t you oppose shaming language and bullying?

        3. “Ask any woman if it’s childish to be repulsed by a 3″ dick”
          Is it childish to be repulsed by a 3″ dick ?

      2. The usual string of insults is first and foremost this article! I mean a comment about small penis sizes of men is pretty unnecessary but I just can’t believe you call this one lame but KEEP DEFENDING AN INSULTING ARTICLE! How does that make sense??? I am not arguing with you that Ned Starks comment is really unpolite, but … it just leaves me shocked that you can’t reckognize the insulting tone of this article. Is it that you can’t or that you won’t?

        1. Don’t know what happened to my original response…
          As “insulting” as you feel the article to be, it speaks to how the “everyone is beautiful” movement is political correctness gone awry. To that end, it is uncovering the truth that many agree with it’s commentary.
          While the article uses unflattering terms to describe things, the usage of those terms are to illustrate it’s point. In “stark” contrast, critics here employ pejoratives only as an attempt to injure their opposition. You KNOW this difference and are only feigning a disbelief.
          Hence it is not I that is unwilling to accept an obvious truth.

    2. I’m just a feminist troll that needs to use juvenile insults because I can’t handle the fact that I don’t have a thing to say against all this. Like all the trolls here, I think that saying guys have small dicks hurts them (even though I realize that it really doesn’t). I call others dumb and dumber, but I’m really the dumbest.
      Return of Kings??? I wish some king would notice me. All I have is a battery operated pawn and a 43 inch waist.

  43. Oh boy, you men are going to feel really stupid when ‘Small Dick Shaming Week’ takes off.

    2. Yeah, let´s go to the gym and stop eating McD and then our penises will be bigger… wait… mmmm…. nope.
      Being fat is in most of cases not-genetic.
      Now really, save for certain almost medical cases, are men ashamed of their penis size? I thought most of us are more or less happy with it, or don´t care at all. I mean, is the last thing a woman will see of my body, and by then, she had already decided that she is going to play with it. The most erogenous area of a woman is her brain.

  44. I don’t know what all the outrage is about: I’m almost certain ‘Small Dick Shaming Week’
    wouldn’t upset any of the ROK staff at all and might even help them get
    their shrivelled little boy-cocks down to the gym where they can buff up
    and presumably write a letter of thanks to the people who ‘inspired’
    them to to better themselves for their women folk.

    1. You are right in assuming that such a thing wouldn’t cause any stir among men or ROK. The hostility we see here is practically only from women who are “enraged” that people are tired of “political correctness”.

  45. You are despicable, soulless cretins, and you view this as success. I don’t know whether to throw my hands in the air and give up on the hopelessness of people like you or try and get you submitted to a scientific study. What must it be like to live inside your brain? Do you know happiness or love? How does your reality compare to the reality of the world? It’s a fascinating topic.

  46. No one who is happy (or even remotely content) with their life would spend their time blogging about this. I don’t know why you do it, but I feel very sorry for you. I understand perfectly that negative attention is still attention and it must feel good that anyone is reading this drivel you post even if you’re just enraging people. It encourages them to comment which gives you another opportunity to insult them and shoot them down. But you sound very sad, lonely, and bitter. I would tell you “it gets better” but for you, maybe not. Not sure you deserve it.

    1. Whatever, loser. you’re just trying to shame people for posting in support here. If you don’t think it worth blogging about why are you reading it?

        2. Actually, he implied both especially when he says
          “which gives you another opportunity to insult them and shoot them down”
          .

  47. Congratulations to Roosh and contributors. I’d say this was a rousing success, just from the outraged fatheads whining in the comments.
    If they could only spend as much energy on exercising, they might not be obese. As if.
    To all you fatties: please hurry up and eat till you explode. Then I won’t have to look at you any longer. Every time I go out in a public place I see hordes of waddlers crushing the pavement in every direction. It’s a wonder there is any food left for the non-obese.
    And it IS my business, because I will have to pay for some of your medical bills through my elevated insurance rates. Your fat asses are helping to destroy the economy, one giant butt cheek at a time.
    Don’t like what I am saying? Prove me wrong! Go on a diet, exercise, and lose weight. But I know you won’t, that would require willpower.

  48. I stumbled on this site a week ago and what a way to get acquainted! Great week and long overdue. Keep up the great work!!

  49. I cannot begin to describe how disheartening and frightening all
    the posts on this blog are. I have always had trust issues, but now have been
    affected by your stupid articles to the point where I am starting to wonder if
    maybe all men are as cruel as you. Your articles (such as the likes of ‘how to
    get a girl to get an abortion’, ‘how to control your woman’s diet’ and ‘young
    girls are better than old women’) have made me feel so sad for the state of
    humanity. Even more so, I can’t get over how many ‘followers’ are lapping up
    your views so full of poison, sadism and clear narrow-mindedness.
    And this is coming as an opinion from a girl who fits all your celebrated
    female ‘traits’ and extremely narrow vision of what constitutes as ‘beauty’: I
    am 21 years old, attractive with a healthy body, well groomed, submissive in
    nature and enjoy things like cooking for the man in my life. If this is how I
    feel – I would HATE to see the damage your opinions are doing to women who
    don’t match this criteria.
    Equally – your opinions towards your own gender stink. Making your
    fellow men feel they are not ‘manly’ or ‘alpha’ or implying they are heterosexual just for having different tastes to you is making you sound like a born-again Nazi.
    Please, please stop giving men a bad name. I really hope that one day you start to focus on things that really matter and that you resolve your issues, then maybe you can experience true happiness. I feel sorry for you.

    2. Trollllll.
      Based on your angry comment, you’re definitely not “submissive” and you’re actually a fatty on the warpath.
      Truly beautiful women would be too busy pleasing their men, shopping for clothing, and attending high society events to comment here.

        1. Better insults, please!
          Getting into MENSA is a joke. According to their website, they accept old SAT scores of 1250 out of 1600 (!)
          Probably half the commenters here would be eligible to join.

        2. I am clearly a troll since I can’t actually have a civilized debate. It’s all about insulting people when they call me out.

        3. You’re a whiny ass feminist. Nobody cares about your imagined intelligence or victim hood. File both next to your faux outrage.

      2. Hey, I manage to fit in “ROK time” before I attend high society events, please my women, and shop for (food and) clothing!
        Healthy life balance, man.

    3. “I am starting to wonder if maybe all men are as cruel as you”
      Have you learned nothing from your womyn’s studies ? We are cruel, beastly misogynists . Rapists all.

  51. Not all body types are the same. Some people have a high metabolism,
    some people have medium and some have very slow ones. It has nothing to
    do with people’s personalities and has more to do with genetic coding and hormones controlled by the brain. Contrary to your
    beliefs the world does not revolve around you or your opinions, oh my god, crazy right? Nor does anyone have to live by the unrealistic standards society or anyone has
    set for them. We are all individuals and its shit like this, that starts problems with no solutions. Instead of being antagonistic to others, why not try to be understanding and provide(and or suggest) ways to get healthier. There’s no need to be rude or mean or anything of the sort. People can be whatever shape or whoever they want to be.
    Just because you don’t agree with it doesn’t mean you get to shame and
    bitch at them for not being your ‘ideal woman/man’. Having unrealistic expectations for humanity is the problem, my advice, get a reality check and accept the fact that you’re not in control of anyone but yourself and have no right to control anyone else or dictate how they should live their lives. We should be past this as a society. Appearance has nothing to do with a
    person’s character, to pick and degrade someone based upon that is childish. NEVER mock someone for the
    way they look.

    1. Ever heard of the Second Law of Thermodynamics?
      While genetic coding and hormone do play a role in body weight, they cannot defeat simple math.
      Calories Out > Calories In = Weight Loss
      Rinse and repeat for 6 months and watch the pounds fly off. If your hormones are off, see a doctor to help speed up the process.
      Regardless, eat more lean protein, vegetables, and legumes. Lift weights 3x a week, using a trainer if needed.
      If that’s too much trouble, then continue being fat. Just don’t complain. We don’t have to like it.

  52. Not that I’m obese or think it’s healthy or okay, but people who participated in this should get hunted down and executed on the spot without mercy.
    Why this inhumane treatment? Because you are being inhumane yourself and anybody who supports this is just emotionally crippled I can assure you.
    So, get hunted down and executed.
    Thank you.

    1. How exactly did we earn such a death wish from you?
      We suggested that fat people lose weight. Do you have a similar death wish for the American Medical Association? Or the Surgeon General?
      Because they also forcefully advocate that obese people lose weight…

  53. Damn all those fat ladies sure are missing out not being able to bag a catch like you folk. Based on your comments, I’m guessing most of you “men” have the IQ of a bag of rocks. Any guy with more than one functioning brain cell doesn’t feel the need to put down fat people.

        4. If that’s the best you’ve got then you have proven my initial point….Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity.

      3. I doubt if any of the many Matts here can understand the magnitude of the stupidity in their statements.

  54. “Stupidity isn’t punishable by death. If it was, there would be a hell of a population drop.” It should be though! Most of you would be goners.

    1. “Stupidity isn’t punishable by death. It it was, I would be a ghost writer”. It should be though! I am so filled with anger I need to troll on a regular basis.
      Romeo Rose aka Matt (yes, I the same angry little person)

      1. You can’t seriously be this stupid. Jesus, how do you function in the real world? It must be harsh being you you poor thing!

      2. I can’t seriously be this stupid but I am. I can’t really function in the real world because I am consumed with this anger. It’s hard to be this huge mass of hate. Pity me!

      3. You, me, all of us Romeo Rose are stupid. How do I function. Oh yeah, I’m just an angry feminist trolllll.

    1. “Beauty fades, dumb is transient, trolling is inevitable when I don’t have point.”
      Romeo Rose aka Matt (yes, I the same angry little person)

  56. Never ascribe to malice that which can adequately be explained by incompetence or stupidity. True dat.

    1. Never ascribe to malice that which can adequately be explained by inability to argue a case, or stupidity. True I am dat.
      Romeo Rose aka Matt (yes, I the same angry little person)

      1. You’re probably the guy who runs the site. I am actually not angry at all! Making fun of stupid, impotent little men is fun and you have made my day with your comments. I now fully understand why this site exists and what kind of “people” visit it so thanks for clearing that up. LOVE the comebacks….your intelligence was in question before but it sure isn’t now! Thanks for that….LOL indeed

        1. Not angry??? You come here every day, use a different name and post up insults that even a 6 year old would think is stupid. This sit exists to expose the true face of “feminists” and it does it well. What is the face? One that can’t let it go that they are wrong. Your lack of intelligence is exposed by your inability to bring up anything mature. Thanks for showing everyone how much of a loser you are. LOL.

      2. I got busted for being a troll that comes here regularly. I pretend I’m not angry, but since only angry people call people stupid and impotent, I’m really a sad excuse of a person. I now fully understand why I troll and what kind of “loser” I really am. Thanks for making this site so I can think I’m such a heroine. LOVE the lack of originality in my trolling. Please! I crave the attention I can’t get in real life. My lack of intelligence has never been in question. Thanks for this… LOL indeed.

  57. “Stupidity cannot be cured. Stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death. There is no appeal, and execution is carried out automatically and without pity.”

    1. “Trolling cannot be cured. Trolling is the only way I have left because I don’t really have anything to say; the sentence is having a lot of anger. There is no appeal from idiots like myself, and execution is carried out eventually and without pity.”
      Romeo Rose aka Matt (yes, I the same angry little person)

      1. What?? Are you saying that most of the trolling here is really the same person? makes sense.

    3. I can’t be cured because I’ll blame the world for my own problems. If I don’t have an answer, I’ll just troll because I know I am an unappealing loser.
      Romeo Rose aka Matt (yes, I the same angry little person)

  59. There needs to me a fat shaming month. We must be strong in our message that way it will increase the number of slim women to bang.

    1. There needs to be a fat-shaming year, or even (hyperbole notwithstanding) decades. I’m not joking. There is a surfeit of evidence of how unhealthy obesity is. To deny that and claim it’s your “right” to treat your body like trash and not have to endure any kind of criticism for it is absolute fucking hogwash.

  60. A very amusing way to spend a small part of a Saturday afternoon. But then again, since I actually do have a small dick, and my teeth are a little gross and I have a small brain and an evil soul – so I guess sad people like me really dont have many better things to do. How I wish I was good looking enough to be that ” you’reprobablygross” Personal Trainers boyfriend. Wow, he must be such a lucky guy…

    1. Well, I actually mean that as a feminist troll, it’s good way to spend my Saturday afternoon. I dream of ANY dick at all since my baleen, I mean, teeth are way gross and I have no brain and a very angry hateful soul – so I guess sad people like myself forget that it is a 24 hour world and it’s not Saturday afternoon everywhere. How I wish I really had a real argument to make instead of trolling here. I wish I was actually the personal trainer that pretended I was as “youreprobablygross”. I am really one pathetic troll. (then again all trolls are).

  62. Well done, folks. I was going to say “dudes”, but I noticed that a lot of women hopped on board for the fun too!

      1. You will almost certainly be surprised by the events to come. And in a most unpleasant manner. We’re all in this together. Really. Those who fail to grasp that will have dealt themselves a losing hand.

  64. I feel like I should be outraged but I simply don’t care either way. Surprisingly the most outraged person I knew who referenced this was a fat person. I think my main criticism of fat shaming week is how many cliches it has brought out as arguments.

  65. I noticed none of the fat activists have anything to say except to call you mean, hilarious

    1. You noticed too huh? LOL. That’s all these feminizeros do. “you guys are losers” blah blah blah.

  66. Let’s list the witty comebacks of feminists that keep popping up with down here in the comments, no matter the issue at hand:
    >”You must be a virgin.”
    >”You must have a small penis.”
    >”You must hate women.”
    >”You are idiots/not as intelligent as I (a female) am.”
    >”You should be killed/violently assaulted.”
    >”You are all insecure and/or mean and/or bullies.”
    >”You live in your mom’s basement.”
    Refer back to this list occasionally and compare it to the “original” thinking being done by pop-culture feminists when they come here to type their embarrassing groupthink.

    1. Women abhor logic and reason. When they can’t say anything intelligent, they resort to name calling antics and personal insults.

      1. Your hypocrisy is ridiculous. Women are the ones who are name calling and making personal insults? Really? That’s funny, I’m pretty sure every article on this website personally insults “sluts”, “fatties”, and women in general.

  67. I almost never agree with Roosh. However, here, this fat acceptance shit just has to go.
    Gender is irrelevant: if small rocks, cocktail napkins and swizzle sticks rotate someone’s body, they are too damn fat.
    Sugarcoated shit is not a Snicker’s bar. Pregnant men are not Alphas and whales don’t even deserve a beta.

  69. I agree that people should be able to full express what they find great and also what they find disgusting (including if it is fat).
    I also agree that being a “fat ass” is not a crime.
    However, please provide evidence that there has been “a push to accept obesity as normal or beautiful.” as I am really curious where you get this idea from or if it’s just extrapolating from anecdotes you’ve personally seen.

    1. Being that there really aren’t a lot of douche bags outside of the warped view of the trolls here, getting traction on that would be quite difficult. Go ahead and create the movement.

    2. Being that there really aren’t a lot of douche bags outside of the warped view of the trolls here, getting traction on that would be quite difficult. Go ahead and create the movement.

  76. Why, I have slight obesity, so people have the right to shame me.
    And, and when people criticize me because I’m fat, it is not wrong, it is righteous!
    Yay, I love this world so much!

  77. I was reading a few articles in this website out of curiosity.
    Now, I don’t know what to think anymore. This site is just… full of
    people who hate women, feminists, fat people and “unattractive” people.
    I have all of those criteria. Nothing else to do here, I guess.

    1. I see you are wearing a hijab, if you are a feminist, you are anti-Islam. Feminism is incompatible with Islam, completely.

  78. wow this website tells it like it is. I would love to come work for this website. you are basically trolling all mainstream america by feeding them the non-diabetically-sugarcoated truth

  79. What right do you assholes have to target “fat” people? Let them live their life, regardless of their body type.

    1. Who is not letting them live their lives? Apparently you seem to think that people can’t have an opinion.

      1. Well, explicitly targeting a fat person to go on a faux date with her in order to use some trick to shame her publicly about her weight is not exactly having an opinion

        2. Are you certain?
          This example was one of your things and “target” can very easily describe all things relating to fat shaming in this website, including this example.

        3. Yes, it is certain.
          That example is another straw man argument. Just where is is one of my “things”? The criticism here was: “Who is not letting them live their lives”. So, nice try. You are wrong.
          Anything else?

        4. The answer is: the person who is not letting them live (figuratively, of course) is, for example, the one who sets-up a fake date with them only in order to shame them, which I only mentioned because it was one of the “fat shaming week” tricks present in this website. If you support this ‘event’, not ironically, it makes it one of your things.

        5. The answer is: the person who is not letting them live (figuratively, of course) is, for example, the one who sets-up a fake date with them only in order to shame them, which I only mentioned because it was one of the “fat shaming week” tricks present in this website.

          Please.
          “Not letting someone live” is figuratively being oppressive. There is little “oppression” in offering an outing under false pretence. It may be mischievous, but unless one can offer some proof that the “victim” cannot immediately extract himself or herself from the situation, it is not even remotely oppressive.
          Furthermore, consider that practically every antagonist to ROK resorts to personal insults and attacks in attempts to bully whomever they cannot debate into submission. That is oppression.
          Suggesting that any who support ROK’s commentary are potentially collateral targets for pent-up revenge? That is intentional oppression.

          If you support this ‘event’, not ironically, it makes it one of your things.

          That is YOUR disingenuous definition of such events, and not that of others. By that alone, it is not one of ANY event supporter’s “thing”, let alone my own.
          Try again.

        6. One could argue that setting up ridiculous situation to amuse oneself and shame a category of people can be oppressive towards those people, even if, once the trick is revealed, the victims are free to remove themselves from that situation.
          Following your logic, the people who bully you on comment sections are also not oprressive, because you can remove yourself from that situation at any point.
          You contraddicted yourself.
          Maybe, but obviously jocking that they may be targets for magical, fictional revenge is not.
          It is, ‘though: http://www.returnofkings.com/18328/5-ways-to-bully-fat-sluts-on-a-date

        7. One could argue that setting up ridiculous situation to amuse oneself and shame a category of people can be oppressive towards those people, even if, once the trick is revealed, the victims are free to remove themselves from that situation.

          How so? Merely saying it is does not make it that way.
          The critical point is that accepting the date and assuming that one is more attractive than they realistically are is NOT the error of the other party. Furthermore, one can extract themselves from the shared experience with the other party and remain free of harassment.
          In stark contrast…

          Following your logic, the people who bully you on comment sections are also not oprressive, because you can remove yourself from that situation at any point.
          You contraddicted yourself.

          Applying ad hominem and ridicule are nothing but attempts to bully others into leaving a conversation. That bullies love to attempt to re-engage with faulty logic (much like you are employing here) is clearly this type of intentional harassment.
          Again, the difference is that while the overweight woman can choose to leave a “date” interaction because the “date” turned out not to be a date, online trolls tend to follow people around even after their poor arguments have been laid to waste. It would be the same if the alleged tormenter followed her around and kept up a narrative (much like trolls do).
          Furthermore, this venue and this conversation does NOT belong to you, whereas the overweight woman has a 50% stake in the “date”. She was invited and can choose to leave. You are a guest here, and not specifically invited. As such, abusing the privilege extended to guests by deliberately harassing others (which you are now admitting to) is oppression.
          People engage in a “date” because they mutually accept the interaction. The same CANNOT be said for trolls in respects to an online discussion. That your comments are nothing more than a veiled threat, and once revealed, you apply ad hominem, you are clearly trolling. As a troll you are not on the invitation list.
          “My logic” remains intact. There was no contradiction save the one you conjured up in your own mind. Seriously? Do you not think that people wouldn’t have an answer for such a pedestrian rebuttal?

        8. The point is simply that you can choose to leave the conversation, just as much as anyone can a date. Nobody is a guest in a public internet forum, more so, by answering me you choose to engage in an interaction as much as the girl on the date. Unless you own this domain, this venue belongs to you as much as it belongs to me: if an administrator wants to make a webpage for selected individuals, he’s very free to make it private and invite the allowed guests.

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