411 thoughts on “5 Things That Will Not Happen In The Future”

1. I was thinking along the lines of immortality

   1. I think far from achieving immortality, we may even see a push from SJWs to exhume those who elected to have themselves cryogenically frozen at facilities like Alcor. If they can demonstrate the person was a “bigot” or a “racist” – some of these people have been frozen now for decades so they could have had “quaint” views on things when they lived – expect them to demand they be thawed and left to rot or be cremated lest their reactionary ideologies potentially infect our Brave New World. Just like how they want to exhume Confederate generals.

2. Interesting points of discussion. It seems that the author has a more cynical outlook on the future and our government than I do (and that’s saying quite a bit). I can definitely see where he’s coming from and partly agree, but I also think the increase in technology will eventually reach a point that the government will be effectively castrated. #1 is a given, but things like the artificial womb, legalization of marijuana, and space colonization, I’m not so sure. I think each has a pretty strong chance of happening…the question is when.

   1. California has legal weed on the ballot.. I think it will happen this time (it barely failed before), and when California goes that way, that’s the end. It won’t matter what the fed does at that point. California would be the 5th biggest nation in the world economically. What are the feds gonna do, stake out every inch of the border to make sure no weed escapes California?
      By the way I agree with the author’s point that it would likely lower consumerism. But I don’t think our leaders are that bright to realize those ramifications. Plus government is broke and they will need to raise money from somewhere. Even if it does come at the expense of industry, they will need the tax money from legal weed to balance the books. I’m not a user and can’t say whether this would be good or bad, but I lean towards good.
      But when we let out hundreds of thousands who are in prison for toking, how will they find jobs?

      1. I’m not a smoker neither, but I’m inclined to agree that legalizing marijuana will be good. Seems like the best way to end the war on drugs is to legalize them. Mexican drug cartels would cease to exist.

         1. As long as alcohol is legal, there can be no moral justification to outlaw weed.
            And forget all this Mideast stuff. You want to really talk about national security? The best thing we could do for national security would be to end the cartels, like you say, by legalizing (as they did in Portugal). That would take care of the immigration “problem” too (note: immigration from Mexico is currently negative but would stay that way if Mexico had a safe, stable society.. probably would have Americans crossing the border down there to live like they have been in large numbers since the 50s).
            With two stable, peaceful neighbors on our borders, we wouldn’t need a military larger than the next 30 countries combined.

3. I agree with most of that, with the glaring exception of the last one. There are too many people who want cheap access to space, and more than a few of them are billionaires who are putting their own money on the line, as well as putting tax-payer subsidies on the line (I’d rather my tax-dollars go to Elon Musk than some entitled welfare queen in Oakland, CA). Elon Musk’s SpaceX recently put some satellites into orbit, and landed the lower-stage of his rocket, he has effectively put Lockheed and Boeing out of business.
   “There is no economic justification for it.”
   It’s odd that you say that. In the same article that you state people should be made to go on a 5000 dollar vacation instead of enjoying a 5 dollar joint, as space tourism is now, and will continue to be for the near-future, one of the main driving forces that makes expansion out into space possible. Too many people want it for it to be stopped. Either the USA does it now, or China does it in 30 years, or Japan does it in 20 years, or Russia does it in 100 years.
   There is also the last (but not final) fact that any species/civilization that does not move out into space will inevitably go extinct. It’s just a matter of time before we either kill ourselves, or some natural disaster such as an asteroid impact wipes us out.

   1. The human race have been explorers and colonizers for their entire history. It’s absurd to think that as technology advances, we aren’t going to leave the planet. Plus space exploration drive technology and innovation.
      Or maybe I just read too much sci-fi as a kid (and watched 2001 last night on Netflix).

   2. “Elon Musk’s SpaceX recently put some satellites into orbit, and landed the lower-stage of his rocket, he has effectively put Lockheed and Boeing out of business.” SpaceX is a crock of shit. They are investing too little money into the venture but are doing things that are way to experimental. Btw the bottom stage landing failed. Why would you try to do that on a ship anyways?!
      “USA does it now,” The US has one of the worst bang for buck of any space programs in the world. Russia spends about 2.5 billion USD on space, the US spends 17.6 billion USD. The US literally doesn’t do anything. No I am not kidding, they are basically not actively doing anything. Russia on the other hand has made more space achievements that every other country in the world and is the only country that can put a man into orbit. “Japan does it in 20 years” LOL! Japan hasn’t even put a man into orbit! “Russia does it in 100 years.” Why do you put down the Russians? They have the highest safety record of any space program, they do manned space flights way cheaper then NASA ever did, and FYI, every space tourist has gone in a Russian space craft.

4. A $5 joint is more enjoyable and mind-expanding than a $5,000 vacation.
   Really?
   But don’t worry Soros comes to your rescue. We’re supposed to be tripping while they create police state.
   Soros Foundation promoted drug legalization worldwide – Russian official
   https://www.rt.com/politics/327340-soros-foundation-promoted-marijuana-legalization/

   1. I’ll take the joint and the vacation. For me weed in = stuff getting done. Whether its fun stuff or creating things. Hiking up a mountain, biking up another one, hours on the motorcycle, restoring gasoline and diesel powered conveyances, building gardens, whatever.
      Some folks smoke a J, then want to sit and play vid games and eat cheetos.
      Others have different outcomes. The other people I know who partake are like me, not cheeto eating gamer burnouts. I knew some in HS 30 years ago though.
      For me drinking alcohol turns me into a complete useless asshole. It’s a fine line between a social drink and asshole-dom for me.
      But I don’t generalize that nobody should drink just because it affects me in such a bad way.
      Each to his own. Mind your own business. Live and let live. Non Aggression Principle.
      Foreign concepts to statists everywhere. They must control. They like to use guns, held by henchmen, to control others – to enforce their political agenda.
      Beware the statist. He thinks he knows what’s best for you and by God he’ll order his henchman to kill you or put you in cage to make sure you understand.
      He might vote D. He might vote R. Doesn’t matter. He might want to ban certain drugs, or inspect your kid’s school lunch for nutritional compliance. He might want you to provide your blood for drug testing at every opportunity, or she might demand to inspect your home to verify safe storage of your personal firearms (locked in safe not loaded et al).
      Doesn’t matter.
      Statists: you know them when you see them. Resist them and shame them at every opportunity, lest they gain power and use it to torture us all.
      I’ll just leave this here:
      “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of
      its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under
      robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber
      baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be
      satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us
      without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
      ―
      C.S. Lewis

      1. I was toking on the balcony of my apartment a few years ago and got a bad case of the gigs. A woman below looked up at me and she crossed herself: guess she thought I was possessed. I do think widespread legalization would curtail consumption as people turned inward or simply derived new-found pleasure from their environments.

5. “there will be no outward expansion into space”
   If the global tech community keeps focusing on creating useless apps for the attentionally challenged masses instead of groundbreaking physics research, then no.

   1. Why have lunar colonies when we can order pizza by tweeting emojis?

      1. The same thing likely said to people in Europe. “Why go to that scary uncolonized new world when we can listen to violin quartets in the town square?”
         Some people need and want to explore and do new things. There will never be a shortage of those types. If we leave the lazy and fat behind to found and colonize new worlds, so much the better.

   2. Apps have a lot of GOOD uses besides killing time

      1. Dumpster diving?

         1. ? What

6. This website should be renamed “Return of White Nationalists.”
   Seriously, you people have a mental sickness. Constantly expressing how the leftists are to blame for every problem in life and that liberals are a bunch of “libtards” and everything is considered “politcally correct.” It has to be an illness. Yes, liberalism has its faults, but so does conservatism. Both must be balanced to achieve harmony. Too many pseudo intellects and keyboard warriors who talk big and produce no real solution. You have a sick obsession with anti liberalism.
   The amount of xenophobia, bigotry and racism expressed on this website should be listed on SPLC and other hate sites for the amount of disgusting neo con and right wing extremism propoganda. You talk men’s issues? The manosphere and this website is rife with white nationalism and white supremacy to the bone, that it excludes men of other skin colors and nationalities. Men’s issues, my ass. This is a modern day nazi website dedicated towards hatred and animosity of minority groups. Muslim this, Jew that, black this etc. You people are insane radicals and dangerous fanatics.
   Mens issues, my ass. Manosphere- a degenerate portal of dengerate ideas.

   1. I’ve never made a bigoted or racist comment on this forum. I’m slightly to the right in that I think traditions and customs are important parts of our western civilization and they’re ideas worth preserving and discussing.
      I mightn’t agree with some of the far right opinions here, but, it’s a mens forum, where blokes of all hues and shades can talk freely about whatever they want to, in whatever way suits them. To denounce the whole portal and some of the valid ideas that are raised here as “degenerate” is not really fair or accurate.

   2. Look around. This isn’t Stormfront. And yes, I’ve myself have called out people, including Roosh himself on issues such as multiculturalism. That doesn’t mean I will not call out, say, black people for their excessive love of fried chicken, or make some “insensitive” comment of Alabama hicks banging their sisters. I’m proud of my Mexican heritage, and even my own folks aren’t immune Yet that doesn’t make me xenophobic. A dick, yes, but not xenophobic. And I still like this site, not only in spite of it’s faults, but because of them. Besides, what’s life without whimsy?

   3. So to sum up:
      Nag. Bitch. Sneer. Snark.
      Did I miss any other parts of your message?
      Last check, nobody is forcing you to read this site.
      The door is thataway —————————>

      1. You’re right. Nobody is. Simply pointing out the truth behind you zealot nutjobs and what you truly are- racists, xenophobes and bigots You right wing extremists are malicious vindictive psychopaths.
         Just pointing out your true colors.

         1. And what are the left, pray tell? Saints?

         2. I’m not obsessed with the left wing bashing like you mentally ill right wing extremists are. You people are sick in the head just like the left wing extremists.

         3. Right… hence why you created your account today to troll this one website.

         4. Yeah, everyone who disagrees with you must be a troll. Like I said, you people are sick in the head and need psychiatric help.

         5. No only the people who drop into a website and make wide sweeping remarks about the entire community without getting to know anyone within the actual community. Go be bitter somewhere else.

         6. “racists, xenophobes and bigots”

         7. I’ve read enough articles on this atrocious website to come the rational conclusion of how imbalanced it is and why it reflects some of the worst characteristics and human behaviour. As I have said, it contains the worst of the worst: racism, xenophobia, bigotry, homophobia, islamophobia, anti semitism, white nationalism and white supremacism and nazism.
            A dangerous website with a collection of dangerous individuals and their comments which can lead to incitement and hatred against minority groups. I hope you people are kept under extra surveillance and monitoring. And I hope you will be further investigated by anti hate groups.

         8. And now that you’ve said your piece, you can leave and never bother us again, right?

         9. HA

         10. Hilarious as to how you right wing extremists are obsessed with maintaining the first amendment but as I speak out my opinion, you would prefer to silence me and stop my constitutional right?
             I will come and go as I please.

         11. Right, welcome to the party. Guess you’ll eventually be put on that watch list as well.

         12. Probably not.

         13. Lions, and tigers, and bears oh my! lolz

         14. I think you mean “the wurst of the wurst” ya know if we’re all Nazis, right?

         15. They’re pros at projecting aren’t they?

         16. What is truly hilarious is your invocation of your “constitutional right” at all. Not only is it strange that you, a mentally ill leftist shill, even know what the Constitution is, but you fail stupendously in your interpretation of it. Despite your supreme arrogance in assuming you can “come and go as you please”, you actually cannot. See, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights provides limitations as to what the GOVERNMENT can do to you. Your rights end where private entities and private property begins. ROK is in no way obligated to let you continue posting your liberal rantings here because of some supposed constitutional right you think you have. You can and most likely will end up banned from commenting here. When that does happen, you can stamp your two Left feet with impotent rage about how your “rights” were violated because someone censored your breathtaking stupidity.
             But don’t let that stop you from waving your “rights” flag from the back of that very, very short Liberal bus you’re riding, sparky. And keep that helmet on, because you might hit your head on the Titanic sized irony of a Liberal whining about his rights when his modus operandi is to deny those same rights to anyone who does not share his opinions.

         17. Oh nooeess! Totem words meant to stop dissent and scare away people who disagree with your coddle and unrealistic world views! How ever will we manage! Eeeeek!

         18. You assume your conclusions are rational because you only use your own frame of reference and dogmatic views. This shows that you are tunnel visioned and actually incapable of expanding your views by considering the opinions of others without your own biases distracting you.
             Kinda sad, guy.

         19. Well technically, sure, I do actually tote guns. Guilty. Heh.

         20. You don’t have a “constitutional right” to utilize other people’s private property for your speech, first off. Second, people dissenting against your laughable trolling is not “silencing you”, it’s mocking you. You may not be used to this coming from your Safe Spaces, but you better get used to it or life is going to be very sad and hurtful from here forward.

         21. Thank you for compliment. Considering the source.

         22. keep coming to this website, it gives roosh traffic $$$$ lol

         23. The first amendment has nothing to do with this site or your ability to post here. (It only applies to government restrictions on speech, and that hasn’t happened here…yet.)

   4. My views on race and ethnicity are moderate (that is I tend to judge people more based on their culture and loyalties than skin color). That said, I like the fact that this is a site (one of the few left) where men can come to say whatever they want without whiny pussies getting their way as they do everywhere else.

   5. Hey guys, looks like the weak link in the chain has turned up.

      1. He’s got Extra Special Sensitive Feewings that we hurt.
         Poor widdle fella.

         1. You’re not funny. You come across as an absolute loon and a complete parochial individual.

         2. That stings so much coming from an anonymous person on the internet who introduces himself by calling his entire viewing audience screeching and spiteful names. No really man, like an arrow through the heart. Truly.

   6. Also, I think the anti-liberalism is fair. I take your point that excessive conservatism has its flaws (consider Imperial China and Korea) but it is a perverted kind of liberalism which is currently destroying the West. The rule seems to be that if it’s bad for Western countries then the left is for it.

      1. I think you’re confusing social/moral conservatism with Western left wing liberalism vs political conservatism (see your reference to China/Korea). Also, look up the history of classical liberalism, which in the Anglo world is actually the OPPOSITE of SJW/Marxism/leftwingism/big government control.

         1. I acknowledged that in my post when I wrote “perverted liberalism” The liberalism of today is a far cry from that of men such as Thomas Jefferson and Adam Smith. I agree what we really need is less government and for human nature to take its course. That will quickly put an end to feminism and leftism which is precisely why they fear the idea so much.

         2. “Also, look up the history of classical liberalism, which in the Anglo world is actually the OPPOSITE of SJW/Marxism/leftwingism/big government control.”
            No Orthodoxy and Russian/Byzantine civilization is the opposite of Nihilism (Mystery Babylon). Classical Liberalism is already a falling away from Orthodoxy and always quickly degenerates into ever more cancerous forms.
            http://oodegr.co/english/filosofia/nihilism_root_modern_age.htm
            “The Liberalism we shall describe in the following pages is not–let us state at the outset–an overt Nihilism; it is rather a passive Nihilism, or, better yet, the neutral breeding-ground of the more advanced stages of Nihilism. Those who have followed our earlier discussion concerning the impossibility of spiritual or intellectual ‘neutrality’ in this world will understand immediately why we have classified as Nihilist a point of view which, while not directly responsible for any striking Nihilist phenomena, has been an indispensable prerequisite for their appearance. The incompetent defence by Liberalism of a heritage in which it has never fully believed, has been one of the most potent causes of overt Nihilism.
            “The Liberal humanist civilization which, in Western Europe, was the last form of the Old Order that was effectively destroyed in that Great War and the Revolutions of the second decade of this century and which continues to exist–though in an even more attenuated ‘democratic’ form–in the free world today, may be principally characterized by its attitude to truth. This is not an attitude of open hostility nor even of deliberate unconcern, for its sincere apologists undeniably have a genuine regard for what they consider to be truth; rather, it is an attitude in which truth, despite certain appearances, no longer occupied the center of attention. The truth in which it professes to believe (apart of course, from scientific fact) is, for it, no spiritual or intellectual coin of current circulation, but idle and unfruitful capital left over from a previous age. The Liberal still speaks, at least on formal occasions, of ‘eternal verities,’ of ‘faith,’ of ‘human dignity,’ of man’s ‘high calling’ or his ‘unquenchable spirit,’ even of ‘Christian civilization’; but it is quite clear that these words no longer mean what they once meant. No Liberal takes them with entire seriousness; they are in fact metaphors, ornaments of language that are meant to evoke an emotional, not an intellectual, response–a response largely conditioned by long usage, with the attendant memory of a time when such words actually had a positive and serious meaning.”

   7. “. . . this website should be listed on SPLC and other hate sites for the amount of disgusting neo con and right wing extremism propoganda.” Of course, since such propaganda doesn’t jive with your world view it should be “listed” on media watchdog sites. “Listed” being code for “Damn the First Amendment, any viewpoints we don’t like should eventually be banned and stifled, on penalty of imprisonment, etc.” Just google “Democrats try to Repeal First Amendment.” Sites like this one that offer alternatives to the lame-stream media are exactly what the First Amendment was intended for.

      1. No one is questioning your first amendment. You have every right to express your views Except the difference is you use your first amendment to express racism, bigotry and xenophobia. And whenever someone critiques you for it, you then use the typical cliche argument used by the right wingers- first amendment.
         Hate speech is hate speech.

         1. The left has been using their First Amendment rights for decades to spread hate against straight white males, we are simply using their own rhetoric against them.
            The Orwellian double think in your comment is also hilarious… you have the right to free speech unless your views fall under what I deem “racism, bigotry and xenophobia.”

         2. The first amendment is the law in the US saying government cannot censor. Except for a few dictatorships like North Korea, people are not censored by their government anywhere in the world. Let’s stop misusing this word. Anytime someone speaks, they are not “using their first amendment” anymore that any time I come home to my home and it’s not occupied by government troops I am “using my third amendment.” (no quartering of soldiers)
            I get so tired of hearing people on both sides of the aisle repeating meaningless trope that is not up for debate. “you have every right to express your views” is an unnecessary statement. We are on a bulletin board where all people do is express views. Even a 5 year old tribal boy from Ubutu can express his views, and if he goes online, can do so to a global audience. “hate speech is hate speech” What are you actually trying to say here? I think people would consider your opinion if you were more direct and had a point, and incidentally, I am not a fan of the anti-immigrant or extreme right wing stuff on this site either.

         3. The hypocrisy of the left never ceases to amaze me. Your kind is perfectly fine with the First Amendment so long as it’s used to spread your ridiculous leftist ideology. As soon as anyone brings it up in defense of an idea your overlords don’t approve of, you react with “HATE SPEECH!!!”
            Go stamp your stupid Liberal feet someplace else.

         4. “Except for a few dictatorships like North Korea, people are not censored by their government anywhere in the world.” Sadly, American-style free speech protections are actually the minority in most of the world. In so-called Western-style democracies there isn’t outright censorship but there are restrictions Americans would consider stifling. In Germany, it is illegal to even display a swastika, and so-called “hate speech” can be prosecuted, even if non-libelous. In South Korea, saying negative things about the ruling government will get you investigated. Also, there’s no anonymous posting on the internet because South Koreans have to register for email, internet with their national ID numbers.

         5. And of course you and the enlightened Left is the arbiter of what is “racism, bigotry and xenophobia.”

         6. “the typical cliche argument . . . .1st Amendment.” Ummm, just happens to be a fundamental right that the Founding Fathers saw fit to list first. I mean, what’s your point? Should we all “racist bigots” just shut up then? Why don’t you rebut with a counter argument instead of screaming “racism, bigotry!!!!”

         7. And the US has “free speech zones” and you better believe you are “investigated” if you say anything even mildly controversial here in the USA. I’d be very surprised if all the readers here don’t have a government file on them.
            I read a story yesterday on zerohedge about folk singer Pete Seeger.. Check out the kind of stuff that got him on an FBI list:
            http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-12-25/read-letter-turned-folk-icon-pete-seeger-fbi-target

         8. Many countries in fact have restrictions on so-called “hate speech.” We’re not talking about libel, slander or incitements to immediate violence, which even the US regulates. The problem with trying to stifle “hate speech” is who gets to define hate speech as such? “Ohhhh, my feelings got hurt. Hate Speech!!!”

         9. I know right? He’s just another hypocritical, mentally ill leftist with an inability to think for himself. He’s brainwashed and doesn’t even know it.

         10. Why don’t you rebut with a counter argument instead of screaming “racism, bigotry!!!!”

             Because these little leftist maggots know they can’t. Tossing out words like “racism”, bigotry” or “sexism” is supposed to just shut up anyone who is not a brainwashed mentally ill leftist.

         11. You define hate speech as those things that you wish to protect from scrutiny and criticism. Simply calling them “hate” is inadequate and does not address any real contentions or issues, it is simply an attempt to silence the dissent.

         12. Yea it’s “hate speech” to point of the empirical facts behind nigger inferiority: crime rates, education, health, poverty.
             There is no “hate speech”. You scum just whine about that to try to stifle dissent.
             Why haven’t Africans learned not to shit in their drinking water? They’ve had 200,000 years. Is it whitey’s fault?

         13. Last I checked (and I’m a lawyer), so called hate speech is perfectly legal and actually protected from government suppression by the first amendment.

         14. Pete Seeger was a communist subversive. Rightly should have been investigated by the FBI.

   8. Go back to Huffpost, pussy.

      1. Make me internet tough guy.

   9. I’m not white. I used to be traditionally liberal and progressive and now I am sceptical of everything liberals and progressives stand for. I don’t particularly care for some of the comments you sometimes get on this site, but I can’t see why they can’t be expressed. The SPLC are simply not fit for purpose, as they are simply a tool of the political left, who have managed to worm their way into respectability with the likes of the government and FBI despite being peopled by marxists & scam-artists – I think Morris Dees has a particularly dubious background. SLPC has the words ‘poverty’ in its title but is worth hundreds of millions . In fact its hard to think that you haven’t mentioned the SPLC simply to get a reaction

   10. “You’re all the same, the lot of you, with your long hair and faggot clothes. Drugs, sex, every sort of filth. And you hate the police, don’t you?” – Let Sleeping Corpses Lie, 1974
       That’s what you sound like

   11. Let the niggers and faggots go else where.
       Go back to sucking kike ass at the SPLC. AS if their designation means anything.

       1. they’re faggots who can’t think for themselves, that’s why they always invoke some sort of ‘referee’ government bureaucrat to come save them from people who think differently.

   12. By the way, faggot,
       The Lamp-Shades at the SPLC did declare RooshV and by proxy the site, as hate speech.
       And nothing will be done about it because it is my American right to express hatred for anyone whom I god damn please. Continue dying of AIDS.
       https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2012/misogyny-sites

   13. This post sounds like a set up for some kind of future pogrom against this website. Contains every meaningless liberal buzz word too.
       I assume you’ve posted analogous comments at the black-supremacist websites (BLM, etc), unless you have some particular hard on against only one side of the spectrum (which I suspect is the case).

7. Likely to happened:-
   World Government.
   Cashless Society.
   A multi-racial society.
   Androgynous sexual beings genetically engineered by the elite.
   Space colonization through creating vortexes right at the speed of light.
   Using robotics and/or virtual machines to colonize interstellar space.
   Discovering that information can travel faster than the actual speed of light.
   People will be allowed to vote in elections with smart phones/computers.
   School education will be be replaced by “data implants” .
   Peoples’ souls will uploaded to the “One World” system where they’ll be preserved for eternity in the LIVNN (Large Information Virtual Neural Network).
   It will be discovered that NDES and mystical experiences are glimpses of our permanent disembodied selves which have always existed in the LIVNN.
   UFOs and Aliens will be realized as the permanent background technicians and workers of the “One World” system we created in our own future.
   Muslims, Christians and Jews will become one religion after a universal revelation is made.
   Black and white movies will come back into vogue.
   …….the list goes on!

   1. Space colonization through creating vortexes right at the speed of light.
      Nope. Unless you mean as a plot device on a television show.
      E=mc2 is pretty demanding once you get near the upper limits of approaching the speed of light. When you’re “on the edge” of lights speed, and you have actual mass, you are consuming nearly infinite energy.

      1. Hmm, but does the theory hold up when there’s excess mass? And excess mass doesn’t not have to related to its relative size. You could have an object of extreme density but is only the size of football. In such circumstances where light is distorted,space/time can also become curved and coiled in around itself. This possibility exists, and I know that it’s currently far fetched, but nevertheless it maybe possible to exploit this mechanism if you had an object of huge mass. In CERN, during the collision of particles in many of the experiments, just right before the speed of light is hit, they’ve been able to produce very short lived vortexes.

         1. Any mass. The closer you get to the speed of light, the more energy is required to both continue AND exceed your current speed. The actual speed of light would require infinite energy to obtain if you had even a smattering of mass. This is why we consider light a wave most of the time, and only as a particle when trying to work with a specific point or equation.

         2. Except in conditions of excess gravity.

         3. Well if you’re saying that you’re going to create a black hole such that you can approach or reach the speed of light, I’m going to have to consider that equally as implausible.

         4. No, not create at that level, that’s implausible indeed. But mini black holes and vortexes have been created during the CERN project. The Black Hole in the center of the milky way system could be a portal, but, we’ll never get there in any conventional manner to know this, that’s why the work at CERN is so important, even in just exploring the limitations and possibilities at this point.

      2. There is some real speculation that a warp drive might be possible. That would theoretically bypass those limits.

         1. The Alcubierre drive, yes, I’ve heard of it. It’s really not feasible, but it is fun to speculate about, that is certain.

      3. If it ever happens, as with everything else, it will be through something we can’t even imagine right now. Not by super fast rockets, perhaps not by warp drives either.

         1. No doubt, I just believe that there are some things that are absolute in the universe. Light speed, currently, appears to be one of those things. If that doesn’t change then we’ll have no way of doing realistic space travel, outside of freezing ourselves like popcicles, or harnessing some way around the speed of light, such as wormholes (which seems rather as impossible as exceeding c).

      4. I had always thought that E=mc2 was the amount of energy that is created if you were to convert mass into pure energy.
         In a nuclear (fission) reaction inside a closed environment, they measured the mass prior and after the reaction and discovered the mass was less afterwards. If the law of physics regarding mass can not be created nor destroyed, it had to have gone somewhere after the reaction.
         Approaching the speed of light is the theory of relativity and time and space gets distorted like on an acid trip (only way I could describe it because our sense and understanding of reality doesn’t work).

         1. And where does it go? This indeed is the question.

         2. The accepted explaination today is that it was converted to pure energy (light and heat). This is the theory, not the law. It can be rejected once proven repeatedly, but for now, it hasn’t been disproven so we accept it because we have no other way to explain it.
            Just like how early man said extreme weather happens because the Gods must be angry. As technology improves, we reject the previous theory with new proven explanations.

         3. It shows that mass and energy are the same thing, I should have been more clear.
            From here:
            http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/jan/12/einstein-theory-of-relativity-speed-of-light
            “Another feature that emerges from special relativity is that, as something speeds up, its mass increases compared with its mass at rest, with the mass of the moving object determined by multiplying its rest mass by the Lorentz factor. This increase in relativistic mass makes every extra unit of energy you put into speeding up the object less effective at making it actually move faster.
            As the speed of the object increases and starts to reach appreciable fractions of the speed of light (c), the portion of energy going into making the object more massive gets bigger and bigger.
            This explains why nothing can travel faster than light – at or near light speed, any extra energy you put into an object does not make it move faster but just increases its mass. Mass and energy are the same thing – this is a profoundly important result.”

         4. It’s true, Pompie, Port Royal, New Orleans all sim capitals were destroyed

   2. “Peoples’ souls will uploaded to the “One World” system where they’ll be preserved for eternity in the LIVNN (Large Information Virtual Neural Network).”
      Don’t know where you got the LIVNN from (name-wise) but something like sounds plausible. Lots of focus on convergent evolution right now, but on what basis? Akasa?
      What universal revelation would be made? The universal (convergent) religion is a staple of christian end times prophecy; usually this involves prediction of a false messiah, or anti-christ, claiming to be the true one

      1. LIVNN is a deviation of sorts from VALIS (Vast Active Living Information System) a notion that Philip K Dick developed in his semi-autobiographical novel of the same name. Although, in this case it’s certainty not a human invention, although it’s benevolent….if ultimately not fathomable to the Author.
         The world is becoming more homogeneous, but, perhaps this is an evolutionary necessity on our journey, perhaps, species that remain divided eventually die out due to civil conflicts and unrest. I don’t know?

         1. phillip k dick has always sounded interesting but I’ve never got round to it. Been meaning to read the man in the high castle actually to compare with the series.
            The world is indeed becoming more homogeneous, but I have my doubts as to how natural this evolution is. If we are being pushed in this direction, why should we not push back? Perhaps it is not outcome that matters but process, in which case elite machinations may be an evolutionary step backwards not forwards

         2. Check him out. Minority Report, Total Recall, Radio Free Albemuth, A Scanner Darkly were based on his stories too

         3. Blade Runner as well.

         4. One of my favorite movies of all time. I saw the Director’s cut for the first time in the Cinema a few months ago. It made realize just what a dam great movie it is- plus the score by Vangelis is sublime.

         5. Read “Valis” when you get a chance.

         6. Hasn’t heard of that one

         7. Knew he wrote total recall but not the others

   3. Not a multi-racial future but a uni-racial future. The inevitable final outcome of bringing all the races together is the elimination of all races. The future shall be coffee-colored.

      1. “The future shall be coffee-colored” There’s no denying the fact that the average citizen of the 23rd century will be taller than us, sallow skinned, with a mixed Asiatic/Aryan physique. I think the Aryan look will always remain predominant enough, as even among non Caucasians, the look is generally seem as desirable.

   4. But yes, I see androgyny happening. HG Wells predicted this in “The Time Machine” – The Eloi were the descendents of humans: the males and females were indistinguishable and were passive and intellectually dull and were preyed upon by the Morlocks.

      1. Without the sexual element in humanity, either expressed directly or indirectly, we would’t have achieved much. The most intellectual men often have a higher than normal sex drive. The idea of the nerdy beta is actually an incorrect stereotype of the intellect.

         1. that’s a convenient excuse for a hedonistic lifestyle.
            ‘I need to fuck a bunch of girls because I’m too smart’

         2. Note, I said directly or indirectly.

      2. Both the Eloi and the Morlocks were descended from humans. The Eloi from the elite and the Morlocks from the working class.

   5. Multi racial societies already exist
      and by the looks if it Government will not give up on institutionalized education

8. Meh, another article about what might or might not happen. I don’t believe any person can foresee the future. You can only forsee certain social developments if you look at history, because history repeats itself. But will space colonization be a thing in 50+ years? There is no way to know that.

9. #3 Screw the Feds. Marihuana legalization will still happen, even if not everywhere. The Feds are better served backing off and not screwing up like they did with Prohibition. Let the states decide. Even the ones that aren’t onboard. Of course those not only risk losing revenue, but their hypocrisies will be revealed, like all the Texans ending up in Colorado to smoke weed.

10. I’ve strongly entertained a suspiscion that the reason we don’t see or hear from alien civilizations, if there are or were any at our technological level that we would be hearing from by now (if ever) is that there is an event that occurs across societies that may be universal. By that I mean the retreat into fantasy as made shockingly real by computers/simulations. I do wonder if, just on the cusp of getting off of their (or our) planet the entire high tech segment of the population become hypnotized by technology and retreat into an, don’t know what to call it, an “into-verse” or something odd like that? Meaning, we basically shut down our humanity and engage in a fantasy electronic world that is far more satisfying (to the masses) then the hard work of real life?
    Just musing out loud.

    1. It might be that or possibly excessive prosperity and technology turning them collectively insane, as has happened on earth.

       1. That’s more or less the same thing, I just figure that to have a mass effect with virtual realities then the assumption of excessive prosperity is already built in.

    2. That, or they are terrified of us. We have literally spent all of our history fighting and honing our skills at killing, and we are better at it than ever. How could a peaceful race possibly challenge us?

       1. Sure, and we might (potentially) be terrified of another species we detect but that wouldn’t stop our past radio waves from lighting up their receivers.
          Besides, I strongly suspect that given how harsh the universe is regarding basically everything that no successful pacifist species will ever evolve to sentience. Competition is an integral part of not just earth, but basically all matter and mass in the universe. Suns shine because they burn matter, planets collide with asteroids, etc. The Peaceful Loving Alien, I think, is an invention of dunder headed leftists, heh.

       2. I doubt they’d be terrified of us. Besides, I think a lot of highly intelligent extraterrestrial life won’t be interested in colonizing space, a bit like the Chinese were on our own planet. I’d imagine on some planets that are entirely composed of liquid soups, made up of nitrogen, carbon and silicon that a form of collective intelligent life might exist as the entire surface of the planet itself. It’s probably figured out how to sustain itself indefinitely in this equilibrium with its host planet. They’d be no reason for it to explore and colonize, however, perhaps it can communication through the powers of it consciousness with other civilizations, if so, I doubt we’ll pick up the message.

       3. Not sure who this “we” is but most of the western world is scared shit of it’s own shadow at this point. The only people that act as a resistance in an alien invasion is fucking isis. Europe and America would be welcoming them with open arms and talking about how it is their culture to death ray us. GoJ would be out blasting until the cops put him in jail for hurting the feelings of our new alien overlords.

       4. Read my other comment. If we ever face racetravel from a far, far, far away galaxy to here……I don’t care how war like you think we are. They could tak ethe most masculine of us, and dress us like Bo Peep, and anally raw dog any one….and there would not be a damn thing any of us could do about it!
          Why, because they would be so far ahead of us technologically that anything we think we had as an advantage, would be allowed by them to be utilized, only so they could better laugh at us for believing we had a chance.

          1. Agreed. They would ”Come”, ”See” and ”Conquer” us (all those 3 things) in a matter of seconds, and none of us will notice any of that happening.
             Who knows, maybe we are already conquered, and put into a fantasy/simulation sleep or whatever.

          2. “they would be so far ahead of us technologically that anything we think we had as an advantage, would be allowed by them to be utilized, only so they could better laugh at us for believing we had a chance.”
             He said a “peaceful race.” Doesn’t matter how advanced a theoretical alien species was if they had an Obama leading them. The Obama aliens would load up their ships with the most moderate Muslims and bring them to their homeworld. Why? Well, because they need diversity or whatever reasons countries like Sweden have given to explain their collective suicide. Within three generations, the aliens would all be dead, or be Muslims themselves and, their hi tech society would be reduced to sheep stealing raids on neighbors practicing the wrong form of Islam.

          3. Being far ahead technologically is huge, but it doesn’t allow one party to act with impunity or consequences. Sure, the Spanish killed a hell of a lot of Indians, but they took some casualties in the shorts too, despite their huge and blatant advantage with technology AND while carrying a cesspool of diseases the Injuns hadn’t encountered before.

          4. I understood the premise. Yet, even a “peaceful race” that could get to us from thousands, especially millions of light years away would have to be so technologically advanced, and most likely have their own history of war with which they moved on from, that they could figure out through simple monitoring of our communications that we were up to no good. Wait for us to spring the trap, and then pimp slap us something pimp proper like the street walkers we could be made to become.
             A peaceful, totally advanced civilization that can time or space travel great distances, is easily superior to a war like race that is possibly many millennia behind in technology, yet war like and waiting in the wings. Even if Obama was at the head of a peaceful civilization like that where they all celebrated homosexuality and the hate of republicans, you would most likely have no chance but to piss them off. And then they turn your rectal cavity into a stone age wind chime.

          5. You are absolutely right, about the Conquistadors of Spain.
             However, compared to us now, a race that could travel to us from another galaxy in less than a few years, hell even a hundred years, would be like the United States military as it is now going against primitive amoebas.
             There would be no comparison. All their tech, including all the communications, supporting features, monitoring devices, creature comforts, whatever would be way beyond our ability.
             It took NASA years to even conceive of the rockets that got us to the moon. It will likely take a decade to build the necessary components for prototype to even think of approaching a manned mission to Mars!
             Yet, all of a sudden, a race lands here from another galaxy without warning and says “Hello fellas, how bouts some technology and maybe a little food and water huh guys?”
             And you think a carefully prepared plot over a day or two is going to take down the mother ship?
             Sorry brother. I respect you as I have read many of your posts. But that is hilarious!

          6. Discounting any kind of “pimp slap”, even coming here totally peacefully we’d have to consider things like disease. When the Europeans found the Injuns initially we saw a lot of them die from diseases that we were genetically capable of handling thousands of years prior to their introduction to the New World.
             Besides, I really don’t think there will ever be a purely peaceful civilization, regardless of origin. The universe doesn’t allow pacifism to exist in any form. It’s a pipe dream.

          7. I’m not entirely certain where I suggested that we’d win or take down the mother ship. I was noting that if they are really that advanced and such, they probably understand already that nobody can act with impunity when dealing with another self aware civilization. Afghanistan is living in nearly the 1890’s but seems to take down enough Soldiers of the Future as to make being casual about knocking them around a bad idea, for example.

       5. ALL top of the food chain species are predators. I for one, am not looking forward to a 3rd degree encounter. That would not end well for us with all our bombs.

    3. Perhaps our universe is a simulation of another civilization’s fantasy world?

       1. Interesting thought.

       2. I’ve heard about that. There’s some interesting stuff regarding this and scientists are actually looking into the hypothesis. Strange indeed.

          1. Yes, the idea they we’re nothing more than ghostly projections of our right selves in this empirical world of our five senses is a concept that is being taken very seriously by physicists over the last few years.

          2. Making it likely to be bullshit considering the laughable intelligence and naivete of modern physicists. Their predecessors are crying in their graves

       3. And that civilization, in turn, lives in a universe that is a simulation to yet another civilization? 😉
          And so on and on…

          1. I’m not sure about an infinite regress, or the turtle upon the turtle….but, if there is a pure intelligence that exists forever without any limitation of time and space, then perhaps it will always be creating and recreating ad-infintium as what else can it do?

       4. 1. Oh, man, yeah see, this is what would happen to us all if they legalized pot! We’d start asking interesting questions, no need for the pub or the new garden chairs down in IKEA!

          2. You must realize there is no chair Neo

          3. More like nutjob questions.
             What if I’m the only mind and everything else is a figment of my imagination?
             Same sort of bullshit, except with yours being of a technological nature thus making it even duller. I mean, sure its fine fantasizing as long as you don’t take shit like that seriously.

       5. This. Look at the simulations we as humans at our current level of technological advancement have achieved: crude virtual reality (Occulus Rift), computer simulations of agent-agent interaction, the Sims, etc. Now imagine what an intelligence a thousand or a million years more advanced could achieve. I think what we perceive as reality is simply a simulation of a much a higher intelligence. And just like how we run simulations to model how agent interactions play out (emergent behavior), so too would a super intelligence be interested by the complexity that arises in this simulation.
          Seems more logical than: amino acids + lightening + time + ? yields life.

          1. Well, about your thinking “we have this lot of things, then we’ll have a bunch more in the future” -> it’s just crap. We (humans) revolve in circles and nowadays we have just a few things more than the Romans, but not that strikingly more (in average, as a species. If you think of yourself, maybe you have those things; the average african would die to have a 1/10 of an Ancient man’s lifestyle). The probable evolution of techonologies is going to face serious adversaries, as religious fundamentalism and natural resources exhaustion. The first will dry the “evolution” as it will be ill regarded, to be linked to science (and funds will be more scarce), and the second will make technologies more and more a thing of the elites (as they turn more and more expensive). Elites end up hated by the majority, and their things (even the very good ones, as sculpture, architecture, etc) are destroyed, pillaged, abandoned.
             As for what is existence… You seem to be a fan of empiricism… I am not. It’s a limited view of what it means, to be alive.

          2. I agree. Life at its very simplest is organised energy. The mathematics behind even the most rudimentary elements is so complex and finely tuned to the essential chemistry and physics that allow the whole thing to “come together. Even the precise chemical and physical interactions that allow a humble, but essential phenomena like surface tension in water to exist is really incredible.
             It seems plausible that the universe is a holographic simulation of an incredibly sophisticated form,that may have been created, possibly out of a sense of cosmic boredom by an advanced civilization that overcame its own physicality eons ago (perhaps not space and time as we know it). Yet, it seems more believable due to the notion that occurrences and events can arise, that even the most advanced simulation couldn’t anticipate, that this is precisely why it was created. It’s possible human beings were one of this unplanned events that the advanced simulation hoped to bring about. Maybe our development is tied up with their advancement in a critical way?

          3. And this is how we passed from a very relevant hypothesis of our future being detained by solipsism (thank you GhostOfJefferson) to an acritical absolute solipsist view, by smokingjacket…
             Maybe you are all people I dreamt of last night… Maybe I am right now imagining your bedroom’s furniture and your clothes…

          4. History has thus far shown that technologies flow to the masses due to enormous economic forces much more readily than people assumed in the past. Restricting high tech to the elite doesn’t allow much incentive to develop the technologies in the first place. A man’s gotta eat after all.

          5. Examine the paper Entanglement entropy in Galilean conformal field theories and flat holography by Arjun Bagchi, Rudranil Basu, Daniel Grumiller, Max Riegler. It’s a fascinating paper which can in no manner be construed as being solipsistic.
             http://arxiv.org/abs/1410.4089

          6. Your pessimism and lack of belief in the great things people are capable of achieving are typical products of your generation.

          7. I am stating demographics. Ignorant illiterate people reproduce. Technological, rational people, don’t. As for me being included in a generation, I’ll be a Malthus companion, then (whose predictions only failed because of a magical thing called the Otto-Haber process).

          8. But how will you have cheap, popular technologies when your reserves of coal, silver, gold, uranium, iron, copper (etc, etc) get thinner and thinner and the world population will be 10 times what it was in 1800 in 2100, and all those people will demand a share of technology?? It can’t be logical or mathematically possible.

          9. “Ignorant illiterate people reproduce” Ah, come on, you sound a little bit like Herr Nietzsche or Thomas Hobbes in dour form! But, you’ve a point with regard to males which Durkheim noted too, that the higher a man’s intelligence the less likely he was to reproduce. He also correlated this finding in part between men and suicide.
             Men unlike women need meaning, direction and purpose in their lives. The fulfillment of the pure basic drives, including sex and even social status often mean nothing if he hasn’t any purposeful activity, especially if he’s a higher than average intelligence.

          10. I’ll check it. Thank you for the suggestion.

          11. As dour as the Hungarian border (or Calais), these days.
              Durkheim lived simpler times and was probably right, back then. However, I’ve seen this replicated not only in men, but also in the few women I admired intellectually.

          12. Funny that’s exactly the sort of thing I would say …

          13. Q: How did the solipsist break up with his girlfriend? A: It’s not you, it’s me.

          14. lol good one!

          15. I disagree. Empiricists do not tend to believe in unfalsifiable hypothesis, especially when those hypotheses are ridiculous.

          16. Your mistake is thinking that there’s such a thing as indefinite ‘advancement’.
              It’s also a sign of a weak will and bad taste fantasizing about aliens with a super-advanced probably-not-even-possible technology.
              Stop preaching dull, lame-ass views of the world because you’re not strong enough to face REAL life problems and wish you want to escape into some bullshit virtual reality or whatever the fuck.
              ” I think what we perceive as reality is simply a simulation of a much a higher intelligence. ”
              Why does it have to be something as lame and human-despising as ‘advanced’ aliens and not, say, Aristotle’s “unmoved mover” God?

    4. Or maybe we are just monkeys in the zoo. When visitors see them fighting for a banana, they don’t bother to explain to them about the wonders of our current technology. Not that they would otherwise.

       1. I tend not to hold the trendy “humans are scum” theory. We’re sentient highly intelligent beings capable of both good and evil.

          1. Monkeys are not scum either. It’s just their brains that are not complex enough in order to understand anything beyond their simple way of life. What if we are the same to aliens as monkeys are to us?

          2. I suspect that reason and logic combined with self awareness are present in all self aware beings. Math is math, 1 + 1 = 2, and all that. While we have only human experience to go by, when you get to too high of an intelligence level you tend to forgo the requisite skills to reproduce. I strongly suspect that insane IQ is self limiting in nature. Just a hunch. Meaning, if true, we’ll find other races of intelligent beings, but it won’t be like us to apes, but rather, say, the Indians to the Europeans in the 1500’s. Both human, both potentially with the same set of intellectual tools, but separated by a large technological gap.
             Or hell, maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t like to assume that human beings are weak, frail and stupid compared to the rest of the universe. Based on our great people in history, we seem to be doing pretty damned good as a species.

          3. Very well. I may add to that that Buddha’s teachings reflected that: self awareness, knowledge and intelligence combined reflected “dukkha”, the finding that life is “pain”. if life is pain, its reproduction is, in tiself, an act of war.
             Nietzsche explored the thing to “war for power”, as in “you live because you eat, you subdue, you conquer what is under you”. Maybe not a beautiful thing to say, but let’s face it, it’s the hard truth.

          4. Thanks to the association with the Nazis that the Left continues to run in everybody’s face, Nietzsche is highly underrated and under appreciated. He was a mad man, ultimately, but a brilliant one indeed. Lots of hard hitting brutal truths that there is no getting around contained in his works.

          5. Nietzsche would laugh like a little child at our attempts to classify his thoughts as “right” or “left”. He would rightly say they we’re being “Human, All too Human” once again.

          6. Ahaha Exactly!
             Although the “still-friend-of-Wagner” Nietzsche was a rightist for sure. But at some point, he did something entirely new.

          7. He’s impossible to classify this way. He defies our feeble attempts to categorize, and, that’s quite an achievement.

          8. Where did I say his views were right or left? I said that OUR left does its best to smear him by association with the Nazis. He lived in a different time with much different political landscapes, our labels of right and left simply have no place within that context. Hell, it’s hard to tell what they mean even in today’s context, most days.

          9. I made the comment by the valid implication you made about the left smearing him as a Nazi. I find, all of these ham fisted “dis-construction” jobs done for low political sloganeering on either side of the political spectrum both sad, immature and typical of the the highly prosaic age we live in.
             One of my new year resolutions will be to purge myself from falling into the unthinking dialectic of right and left, as they are, as you suggest, completely meaningless concepts these days.

          10. Yeah, 1 + 1 = 2. The Neanderthals had boats. So do we, but that doesn’t mean that the Neanderthals could have understood how a car works, if there had been someone to show them. 1 + 1 works if you are adding apples, but not if you are adding velocities (not the Newtonian, but the Special Relativity way). I don’t think a Neanderthal could ever possibily understand the Special Relativity way, no matter ho hard he tried.
              My point is, perhaps there is some stuff in the Universe (or in another Universe maybe) that is so complicated, that no scientist on Earth could possibly understand the math behind it, no matter how hard he tried. It’s like, it doesn’t matter how much physical excercises you do, you will never be stronger than an elephant. Same with intelligence. There is only so much our brains can do.
              But we don’t know for sure, we can only guess.

    5. Makes sense. Strangely, there was a dystopian novel that came out a few years ago that touched on it. In the book, the oil reserves are all but exhausted and humanity is fighting for what little is left while some cities maintain energy independence through wind and solar, yet the most striking thing is most people don’t care. Instead they’re more interested in playing video games on the internet because reality is so bleak where it isn’t common for a city to be blown up with a nuclear warhead.

       1. isn’t uncommon you mean

    6. For some perhaps. More than likely, guys like me who are young will skip the games, and go exploring.
       Don’t mistake the explorers of the past like Colombus, or Zheng He. Those men were rare even in their own time.
       The whole thing about artificial wombs being intentionally kept from men is a dubious assertion. For one, it will most likely be contained, at first. After a while however, as women realize they can make money selling eggs they won’t use anyways, they and the men who want it (MGTOW, Gays), will be a significantly difficult force to deny. As big and powerful as government is, it does not yet have the ability to control people like that…yet.
       IN regards to space travel. I see it differently, although I am not sure I disagree on us not leaving. You see, to get anywhere meaningful, you have to go at the speed of light just to get anywhere in a hundred years! To go really, really, really far, you have to go far faster than the speed of light. A light year is the distance light travels over a year. Considering light reaches us from the sun in 8.5 minutes, that’s 186k miles/second! In a year, you take that speed, multiplied by 60 sec, then by 60 minutes, than by 24 hours, then by four weeks, then by 12 months. That is ONE light year. The Andromeda galaxy, one of the “stars” LOL on Orion’s belt, is 2.2 million light years away.
       So, one, you need a ship that is self contained, travels 186k miles per second, and is self repairing with out ever having defects, and can keep you in cryostasis for 2.2 million years. Yeah, we need to build an engine that uses energy so much more efficiently, and goes significantly faster than the speed of light. Yet even if you went at 8 times the speed of light, you would still only get to the Andromeda galaxy in 275000 years.
       In our lifetime, hate to break it to any wannabe enthusiasts, you’re stuck here. At best, we will see mars. At worst, you can get a telescope today, and maybe see it’s surface. Either way, I have a better chance of turning into Dr Manhattan in the next several decades than any of us have of getting that deep into space in our lifetime, or a thousand generations lifetimes after we’re gone potentially.
       Sorry to be the asshole and break it to any of you. LOL

       1. I can picture the government allowing homosexual couples to utilize surrogacy while denying single straight men that right.

       2. You don’t need to go the speed of light to get to Europa. Or Mars. Fuck interstellar for right now, just getting our eggs out of one basket would be a huge and much needed insurance payment to guarantee the survival of the human species. Let people 20,000 years from now, when we finally colonize all the usable real estate in the solar system, figure that stuff out.

          1. True. The latest idea is the concept of a “colony ship” that people have bandied about. The funny thing is, if you build it, and they leave for their two hundred plus year journey only to be passed up by their ancestors other offspring who stayed behind, “That’s some funny Shiite right there!”-Said Larry the Cable guy.
             I get what you are saying. But I think this planet has all that we need if we plan effectively for a very long time.

          2. The problem is that “planning effectively” is almost always anathema to human freedom. We’re not cut out for that, much. Some cultures are, such as China, but other cultures end up chaffing when they get too much “planning effectively” thrust upon them. Besides, I’m not terribly certain that I’d like to entrust planning out the future of the resources of the planet to any one particular organization.
             Economic forces suggest to me that, if left reasonably well enough alone, will see us mining asteroids, or the moon (or wherever) soon enough. Once that happens it’s only a matter of a couple of millenia before we have human beings living on every rock that doesn’t melt under them that orbits the sun.

          3. Elon Musk. I am watching this guy very closely. So far, he did some great things.

          4. The chinese are the most anarchist culture today, contrary to western opinion that cannot understand freedom without a state. Look at their street vendors, their re-purposing of any electronics they get their hands on. Look at how they use mob violence to deal with rapists and dirty cops (when was the last time a crowd attacked police in america?). The chinese had the first libertarian in Lao Tzu, and their society is so wide flung that their government can’t control anything they’re not directly funding. So no, they are not suited to ‘effective planning,’ if anything, their the best at defying this planning.

          5. I would like to see a traditional civilization expanding in Space.
             I imagine a Cathedral built on Mars by some pioneers wanting to start fresh, away from earth corrupted values.

          6. Except that he is a subsidy pig. Look at the billion dollars he extracted from Nevada, with the help of Harry Reid, for his battery plant. Similarly, Tesla cars are overpriced, underpowered, unsafe (drive chain issues) , and difficult to recharge.

          7. Not one thing that you said is true.

    7. Your first “sentence” was so horribly written it gave me a headache trying to read it.

       1. Here, let me show you my “jacking off” motion.

    8. You must be talking about the Great Filter. If there are others out there, then we’re screwed. Here’s a very interesting read.
       We’re rare, we’re first, or we’re fucked.
       http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/05/fermi-paradox.html

       1. Actually, I’m wondering why the Fermi Paradox doesn’t appear to be holding up. I just find myself wondering if falling into the ultimate electronic soma circumnavigates the very real urge for sentient life to explore.
          It’s probably nothing, and may just belong to our own species. Just has me curious.

          1. If they also have facebook then yeah, they must be comatose too.

          2. A long obscure writer named Vardis Fisher once said that if someone wrote a novel based on returning to the womb it would be a best seller.

    9. I always think of this…

    10. We haven’t heard from any alien civilization because there aren’t any. The odds of intelligent life existing anywhere in the universe are infinitesimally small. The fact that we are here is a miracle.
        Even if intelligent life existed somewhere else in the universe, they would be so far away there would never be anyway for them to get here or make contact with us.

    11. Possibly. Reminds me of the assumption that all civilizations discover nuclear power and destroy themselves that was popular right after World War II.
        Truth is we have no way of knowing what other life forms are like or what alien civilizations do or why. And we need to occupy our system, using natural planets and artificial space biospheres before we venture elsewhere — or manage to contact anyone else.

11. The marijuana one seemed a little far-fetched. Seems like there could good economical potential[1] but some might say that it would just be another way for the government to keep the public pacified[2]. As someone who considers himself to be a contributing member of society and a casual pot smoker (I prefer it over alcohol there days), that point doesn’t hold a lot of water for me. Just my opinion though.
    [1] http://www.forbes.com/sites/debraborchardt/2015/09/16/colorados-pot-tax-revenues-are-higher-than-alcohols/
    [2] http://personalliberty.com/legalized-marijuana-and-why-the-government-wants-us-to-go-to-pot/

    1. Looking at the tax revenue raised in Colorado, I was surprised how little it really was: I think states can and do raise more taxes from lotteries and casinos.

       1. Only because of tourism–a casino can attract more players in a year than there are residents in a state. Alcohol taxes are extremely high in all states, yet Colorado’s pot tax money was much bigger than alcohol taxes (hard to believe when you consider how ingrained alcohol is into the culture, how many bars there are, and how most restaurants serve alcohol). The tax revenue raised is serious business.
          http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/colorado-marijuana-tax-revenue-2015_560053c4e4b00310edf806d3

12. 6. US will not survive this century in one piece.

    1. The only hope for surviving with any semblance of what America or western civilization was, would be to split the USA into smaller pieces. But because “they” crave control and power they will not allow anything that appears to weaken their power to ever happen, and the country will likely collapse under its own weight, the way the USSR did.

       1. Yes, I don’t see the US fragmenting into various zones. The only zone that would be better off in such a scenario would be the Midwest (from Lake Michigan westward to Idaho). The South, Southwest, and Northeast with no agriculture and major urban areas filled with “gibs-me-dats” wouldn’t fare any better…

          1. The west coast would be much better off. They could focus on agriculture and technology, and would be one of the most prosperous nations in the world.
             The Midwest has a lot of federal land and relies disproportionately on the feds and especially military jobs (a lot of towns out there are built around small military bases), although once they transitioned, they are fairly libertarian type people and homogenous and should be able to get along well.
             The northeast has industry and finance, and would be fine.
             The south would see huge changes, as they are net “takers” from the federal treasury, and already provide few services as compared to more developed regions of the country in terms of transportation, infrastructure, health care, and social services. Ironically, of all these groups, the south is the one most likely to instigate a split.

          2. I’m thinking more along the lines of something like ethnic secessionist movements. As America’s decline continues and the country becomes less white I wouldn’t be surprised to see some kind of Hispanic irredentist movement or even white/black separatist movement arise.

          3. In a SHTF scenario, will Wall Street be of any value? And if the US fragmented, I assume people will be focused more on subsistence than on app development so not sure what relevance silicon valley would play in such a world.

          4. Its taught in every texas history class from early childhood on through high school that texans have the right to declare independence from the usa. Id bet half of all texans would vote to leave right now if given the opportunity.

          5. No, Wall Street and facebook have no “intrinsic value”. Given the choice–gamble on things continuing while you live the life of a millionaire, or worry about the small risk it will collapse and you will have to work for a living, almost everyone chooses to ride out the fantasy until the last second possible. In a SHTF scenario, honestly you wouldn’t want to be anywhere in the USA.. you need to be in a temperate climate where you won’t die without artificial sources of heat or air conditioning. California is the only choice, but it’s too overcrowded and would become physically unsafe. There’s a guy with a book about the best places to live when SHTF, I’ve heard him interviewed.

          6. If that actually happened, and there was an actual alternative to Uncle Sam, I wouldn’t get pissed at people who say “America love it or leave it”. What the US needs more than anything is first world competition in close geographic proximity (Canada is far too cold). Still, I’m shocked they are allowed to teach that in public school!

    2. USA will survive… America is just TOO powerful. The only thing that keeps America alive is because of military.
       American citizens are considered EXPENDABLE in the eye of US government.
       America is a corporation. America will survive though but just because America survives doesn’t mean it’s going to do any good for US citizens and ordinary Americans.

13. Whenever I hear about how governments won’t do this or that, I think about Japan. Their government seems pretty desperate to make the young procreate and work. They will have to develop artificial wombs and things that will make the young men get out of their homes and contribute to society. Buying video games is consumerism, but video games, hentai porn and shit like that are the reason why Japan is in a desperate situation right now. Every coin has two sides.
    What men have to realize is that they have the power. Even not doing anything has it’s effect. Things will either happen our way or not happen at all. The ones that will bitch about that are parasites. They can’t produce anything of value, so they need others to do that for them.

    1. Yes but the Japanese men don’t have to worry about their leaders bringing in millions of well-educated foreigners on student and H1B visas and millions of refugees when they go on work and marriage strike. Our leaders will simply circumvent passive resistance / disengagement on the part of the domestic male population.

    2. Japan is oversexualization done over a for a few decades we’re next

14. Numbers 3 and 4 are already happening.

15. NASA fakes everything. Can’t get past Van Allen radiation belts.

    1. Explains why Buzz Aldrin can stretch his body like rubber…

    2. Who knows, but I found some debunking information pretty quickly.
       “Proponents of the Apollo Moon Landing Hoax have argued that space travel to the moon is impossible because the Van Allen radiation would kill or incapacitate an astronaut who made the trip. Van Allen himself, still alive and living in Iowa City, has dismissed these ideas. In practice, Apollo astronauts who travelled to the moon spent very little time in the belts and just received a harmless dose. Nevertheless NASA deliberately timed Apollo launches, and used lunar transfer orbits that only skirted the edge of the belt over the equator to minimise the risk. Astronauts who visited the moon probably have a slightly higher risk of cancer during their lifetimes, but still remain unlikely to become ill because of it. None have developed cancer or anything else related to radiation.
       An x-ray given by a dentist or in hospital is a much higher dose than in space as the source is close up.”
       http://www.moonlandinghoax.org/6.html

16. I see marijuana more as the “soma” of the future to rob individuals of ambitions and clarity of thought. As a reformed smoker I had no bother spending a whole weekend stoned in front of the Playstation with a bag of snacks and time to kill. After quitting weed I now read more, go outside, took on several new hobbies and no longer lack energy and motivation.
    If the elites want control over the masses it is my opinion and experience that marijuana is a great drug to control a population and keep them from being ambitious.
    I say this as a former smoker, at some point you grow up and realize that weed is an escape from a reality you cant afford to run from anymore.

    1. For some it is. For some, pot actually gives us energy and drive. My wife smokes and she is out. I smoke and I can’t sit still. The house is cleaned, the dog is trained, and art is made.

       1. Come over my house. I’ll get a bag and some rolling papers. LOL!

       2. My friend uses weed like everyone else uses coffee: one when he wakes up, another for elevenses, another after lunch etc. Practically anything you’ve heard an office drone say about coffee (“Don’t talk to me before I’ve had a coffee!” “I can’t function without my morning cuppa.”) would apply to him with weed.
          With me, on the other hand, I’ve tried it a couple of times and hated it. I’d take a puff … nothing, better take another … hmm, still nothing, I’ll have another … and now everything is spinning, the words people are saying are unintelligible and I’ll be stuck to the sofa not even able to change the channel on the TV for the next few hours.
          I personally don’t like it, but if I was going to use it or advise anyone else on its use it would be like everything in life – use it occasionally in moderation or you won’t feel the benefit when you really need it.

       3. word, i feel u bro. same with me. if i don’t wake and bake i tend to stay in bed way later and feel tired.

          1. That’s called being addicted.

       4. ANECDOTAL! Name someone of significance who has made a large contribution to society (out side of musicians)…

          1. Ted Turner has said that he smokes a joint every night.

          2. hes going broke

          3. OK, what has he contributed to society?

          4. Disingenuous.

          5. Jane Fonda workout videos: Porn for suburban teenage boys during the 1980’s. Other than that. . .

          6. Gatewood Galbraith, RIP.

          7. What did he ever do?

          8. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatewood_Galbraith

          9. so nothing!

          10. Successful lawyer, nationally known activist, best-selling author. Right, he accomplished nothing. Heh…

          11. Yeah, but I disagree with a lot of his opinions. So he may be important to you, but not to me. He had no effect on 99.5% of the worlds population.

          12. In addition, many of the things he states are contradicting and hypocritical. He claimed that Kentucky should get rid of it’s “synthetic industry” what ever that is supposed to mean. And he wanted to go back to an “agrarian society”, yet he wanted to also do things that are the exact opposite of that. He wanted to make college free, he wanted to build up the power industry, he wanted free internet around the state, he wanted more parks wildlife parks, more environmental regulations, etc.

          13. Yeah, he ironically died from a lung disease. Probably from cannabis.

          14. Asthma related, which predates any exposure to cannabis. What are you trying to prove here? Whatever it is, you are failing.

          15. You may not like what he stood for, but that doesn’t equal him accomplishing nothing. Who knows who you are? What have you accomplished at a national level? Crickets..,

          16. Which equals Jack and shit. You matter to less than that so who gives a fuck what you think?

          17. Well why do any of his opinions mean jack or shit? They don’t to 99.99% (I am not even exaggerating) of the worlds population. It’s not like he has actually implemented any of his ideas. He never won a single election.

          18. Carl Sagan

          19. I’ve actually changed my opinion on cannabis since I posted that comment. Ciao!

          20. Carl Sagan.
              Top that.

          21. Not even possible

          22. Ted turner is a cunt

       5. Pot may be blood type specific with its effect on blood type O and B. A lectin in marijuana bonds to the most plentiful sugar in the body, glucose. Some species of marijuana contain lectins capable of binding to galactose and frucose, which can affect O’s and B’s.

    2. If you’re a scrub when you’re sober, you’ll be a scrub when you’re stoned.
       *speaking in general terms, not calling you out. People react differently to different substances

    3. bullshit. the elites don’t want us smoking weed because it opens our minds to see through their bullshit. the author is also right about consumerism. if everyone smoked weed, they would spend less money on useless expensive crap.
       just becuase leftists advocate for pot legalization doesn’t mean pot is bad. just like the fact that black lives matter protesters are leftists doesn’t mean we should suck the dicks of all cops.

       1. LOL! Name one person who has smoked weed who made a major contribution to western civilization!

          1. Bill Gates? It is fine if you don’t agree with marijuana but don’t point your finger with one hand and have a glass of scotch or cigarette in the other.

          2. George washington was said to grow and smoke weed. Back in those days they called it “toothache” because of it’s known painkilling properties

          3. George Washington grew hemp…not marijuana. They are essentially the same plant but hemp has little to no THC…so hemp will not get anyone “high”.

          4. name one person who made a contribution who didn’t smoke weed. and provide credible evidence that they never smoked.

          5. I asked you first, you can’t get out of something by just giving the other person a harder question.

          6. “George Washington was said to grow and smoke weed.” He grew cannabis, not weed. The variant he grew can’t get you high, it’s just a good material to make rope and paper.
             “Back in those days they called it ‘toothache’ because of it’s known painkilling properties” But they didn’t use it for recreational purposes. And now that we have better painkillers, they don’t use it anymore.

          7. Bill Gates, LOL. He didn’t even make windows. He was just a CEO.

          8. Your point being

          9. He didn’t contribute anything to society.

          10. lol. that’s what i thought.
              how am i supposed to know what famous person smoked or smokes weed private on his own time? your question was stupid, and when i asked you the same thing, you had no answer, even though most people supposedly don’t smoke weed.

          11. Well here is something. Tonnes of “celebrities” and businessmen. Have come out saying that they smoke weed. But NO inventors… Now do you think it’s because they all try to hide it more for some reason? Or is it because people who actually do shit with their lives don’t smoke weed?

          12. They made rope out of it. Navies had to have miles of rope because they used sails.

          13. Kary Mullis the Nobel prize winning inventor of PCR which made DNA typing possible. He wrote a book called “Dancing Naked in the Mind Field”.

          14. Carl Sagan was a regular smoker.

          15. Actually ive changed my views on cannabis since then, so yeah, I am 100% for legalization.

          16. Carl Sagan. Learn to read foo’

          17. They certainly dont sit around bitching about people who dont smoke grass.

          18. “Just”
              Sit down and shut up.

          19. I don’t know how many times I am gonna have to restate this, but I’ve changed my views on cannabis legalization sense then.

       2. “the elites don’t want us smoking weed because it opens our minds to see through their bullshit.” — What kind of pot are you smoking? Opens your mind? No, it dumbs you down, making everyday things seem more interesting because you’re too stoned to make sense of them.
          “the author is also right about consumerism. if everyone smoked weed, they would spend less money on useless expensive crap.” — Yeah, because they would be spending more money on weed. And because their loss of ambition would result in them having less money to spend in the first place.

          1. Rubbish

    4. Don’t forget that when you are stoned everyday, you are less likely to engage in foreign travel. These trips involve long hours without a bong hit, as well as sketchy scenarios in trying to score a bag overseas (unless you are traveling to Jamaica, of course).
       So you stay in your local area and “take what you can get” with regards to women. These are also, generally speaking, the lower value women in the area (i.e. the ones who are willing to put up with your addiction). They themselves have a handicap to match yours – one that you would not tolerate if you were not a stoner.
       Pot is good as a periodic pleasure (a drug to enjoy for a special occasion). But smoking everyday is a detrimental game changer for the majority of men.

    5. Actually the elite DO want people to be ambitious, but only within a certain box. They want pissant paper pushers and civil servants who think they are gods gift because they earn 40-50k….they want people who think they are great because they are doing better than average or their neighbour or brother, just not people who focus on THEM.
       whilst i agree a daily weed habit is not the best idea, iv’e no doubt there are many people who wouldn’t read the manosphere or know/care anything about these “elites” you speak of, if it wasn’t for that fact they smoked a joint or two from time to time.

    6. Reality sucks. Seriously.

    7. Yeeaaah. . . Good point. Studies have shown that in areas and periods when pot use goes up, violent crime goes down. But so do business start ups, employment applications, and general work towards building society. I know people who smoke everyday and they can’t handle basic everyday stress: They just get stoned and sit on the couch and are content with low-wage, low production style jobs. It’s not a coincidence that it’s the drug of choice for Hipsters.

    8. That is the best reason I have heard about the Dangers of Marijuana. Thank you for the insight.

17. No jetpacks????? Im so sad:(

    1. There’s just such a book: “Dude Where’s My Jetpack?” on the future that never was

       1. I have an old copy of OMNI magazine from the early 80s and it “predicted” the things we would have in 2015.. its hysterical!!

          1. Reminds me of those old AT&T commercials.. “have you ever…. blah blah” “You will!” About the only one that is close to coming through is the video call on the watch. I guess you can take voice calls now with the iWatch and video calling will be coming soon. But it was mostly all false promises. Discovery and innovation has been at a standstill because humans have decided to fight each other instead.

          2. I don’t agree with that. What we predicted as the inevitable discovery and innovation fell flat, because people are discovering and innovating in other areas that make more economic and/or cultural sense right now. It’s nearly impossible to predict the technology of the future, because we work from today’s economic assumptions. Those change almost hourly, hence rendering such predictions laughable.

          3. Eh, I was a young child when these aired… turns out must of them did come true.
             
             I guess most of them seemed underwhelming (ie buy concert tickets from a phone versus a kiosk.. big freaking deal, open a lock with a voice command vs a key–its not hard to just use a key and you don’t need a power grid) and the Dick Tracy phone seemed like the only cool one that I really wanted.

          4. Those things were already on the glide path though. 1993 was already in the throes of the Computer Revolution, so those kinds of predictions were based on simple extrapolations on things *already in the labs and being worked on*. I was speaking more along the lines of “Everybody will be in flying cars and we’ll eat nutrition pills instead of normal meals!” silliness.

    2. 2016! If you have $150000
       http://www.reuters.com/article/us-australia-france-jetpack-tracked-idUSKBN0P522O20150625

18. As I said in another post on ROK, #2 is going to be a BIG one for regular people having kids today. I would argue that family that is not within the top 10% of all income earners is taking a HUGE gamble having kids today because within the next 15-20 years there will be ZERO employment opportunities for the children of the current remaining middle class and lower classes. I personally think many people are insane to believe that those kids being born now and also those not yet in college will stand a change in the coming future economy that will be heavily reliant on tech concepts like the Singularity, Cell Regeneration, Mind-clones and Artificial Intelligence.
    In the VERY NEAR future, keeping up with the basics in terms of foundation education and on-the-job work skills won’t be enough, for regular people to KEEP their jobs requiring future-tech, contemporary labor market, skill-sets. The poor and even the middle class (not the upper middle class) will simply NOT be able to keep up with the skill demands for future employment, which will include REQUIRED CERTIFICATIONS, STATE LICENSING, etc.
    The lower class laborers will still need to earn wages, pay mandatory education/licensing fees out of pocket AND keep a roof over their heads, ALL at the same time (which will be financially impossible, except for the offspring of the rich). In the VERY NEAR future, these very high costs skills that will be needed to stay “relevant” in ALL labor markets, will only be affordable to the rich, or possibly, to a VERY few, forward thinking, middle class families, willing to sacrifice everything they have financially, while pooling resources, to keep their offspring competitive, in the larger, continually advancing, job market.
    I will begin with the usual assertion I hear in regards to the impact of these, soon to be real, “future-tech jobs”, which contrary to beliefs of some, includes the traditional trades and the accompanying “proprietary tech” that will not be repairable, only “replaceable by a certified/licensed tech”.
    “Someone has to get paid to fix the robots!”
    I often hear this above noted rebuttal to mass automation and current labor cutting measure in the modern workplace, BUT it misses a subtle point that ONLY the children of the wealthy will have the opportunity to become TRUE experts in such fields. Let me clarify, through the prior 20th century, a poor kid who studied hard could become a lawyer, accountant, even a doctor sometimes, with the right combination of hard work, savings, scholarships, family support, etc. In the case of the lower classes, they simply went directly into the trades, learning on the job, WITH PAY. HOWEVER, in current engineering and technician curriculum’s available today, times have changed, to favor kids whom have had access to expensive software and hardware to “experiment” with and have free-time to “practice on before” entering college or into their chosen training program. So, when these kids finally get to college or into their apprenticeships, those whom have had lots of “free time” to “play” with robotics and programming, outside of class, WILL CERTAINLY outpace their less privileged peer who had to flip burgers, part-time, to pay for rent and school expenses.
    Before 1990, 40% of teenagers had part-time jobs, while in school. This is a relevant statistic because today only 20% of teenagers in school have part-time jobs. Teens at one time made up a sizable portion of the workforce and such changes in employment practices have shifted away from this, meaning, poor kids do not have any opportunity to build on the jobs skills of any kind, before, during and after college. What will the percentage of employed part-time teenager be at in 10-20 year?
    Although not my primary point, I do think there is plenty of evidence that lower class teens today, not only, do not have the opportunity to get part-time jobs, but in addition the wealthy kids are beginning to develop advanced skill-sets, that COULD be MORE helpful in their future adult careers, than say, “working at a taco stand after school”. Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg are very good, EARLY, examples of people who made use of their free time and access to money, without the need to labor for part-time spending money. During that free time both Gates and Zuckerberg developed specialized skills that could not have been learned at a MINDLESS part-time job or even in formal schooling. In the end, they leveraged free-time learning and access to expensive consumer tech, due to having wealthy parents, into long term careers.
    Here is a modern example of a company with a big contract to fill and absolutely “no will” to increase wages to attract experienced personnel, nor the desire to train inexperienced ones on the job, while paid. Instead they put out a story on the web bellyaching
    http://bridgemi.com/2013/03/is-shortage-due-to-skills-or-wages/
    In the link below this paragraph, I have posted an example of what I believe to be a young person, from a well off family, who majored in robotics at USC. She doesn’t appear to have had any unrelated part-time jobs, in relation to her major, while in college. She also seem to have had access to technology, to experiment and PLAY with, in her spare time. She earned her masters & bachelors back-to-back AND at the end of college, got a job offer at a University sponsored dinner party for robotics majors. NOBODY I went to college with, EVER, got a job offer at a university sponsored dinner party. In contrast, I’m sure many Ivy league and top 10 university graduates DO get job offers at university sponsored dinner parties. My point being, these future “robot repair jobs” are going to require smart kids, with desire to advance, whom also went to good schools, had lots of spare time and money to play with the tech outside of school AND get their jobs offered at dinner parties, some of which will be non-paying internships at first. These job offers will not be gained through sending out blind jobs applications through Linkedin or company job boards, as has been done up until now. Basically what this girl is doing for Disney will, in the near future, be more like what a plumber or electrician does today, EXCEPT you won’t get trained on the job, in a low-pay apprenticeship, when at “entry level”. In fact to even be considered for these “future-tech jobs” in the first place you’ll need to have good academic pedigree, lots of unpaid hobby experience and 1+ years of unpaid internships. Can kids outside of the upper classes do the same things as this young woman? I think not!
    Here is her story, readers can decide for themselves, my opinion is that this is what careers in the trades are going to look like in 15+ years:
    http://onedublin.org/2013/09/11/imagineer-molly-rinke-on-creating-immersive-experiences-at-walt-disney-imagineering/
    Those whom are going to be rendered jobless by automation/robotics/tech are going to be the least likely to be able to pick up these pieces, in the coming era of traditional, job training, destruction. Its going to IMPOSSIBLE for the poor to go back to school and get a masters degree in robotics, in full-time student only, engineering programs. Contrary to belief, these programs strongly discourage their admitted students from taking part-time jobs, while favoring students that have the money and free time, whom have NEVER work at an unrelated job to their majors and also buy expensive robotics hardware/software to experiment with outside of class.
    Mark my words the future labor market in the pursuit of “maintaining robots or other “future tech” is going to be the sole domain of rich kids, with advanced degrees from good schools because NO ONE is going to train anyone else perceived as lesser, in that kind of job, WITH PAY.
    To continue my above point, I believe “rich kid” job mobility is going to be a HUGE problem for regular folks, beyond what the previous “rich kid” pedigree typically bought in the 20th century. Their unfettered access to endless money and time, used to “explore academics” and hands-on work, with no consequences of failure, is going to COMPLETELY END job mobility of any kind for the lower and middle classes; even for those whom have met the typical base required higher education and work experience standards. Its a superstar only job market now, with no room for middle of the road folks. Not having children is the ONLY remaining political weapon left for those whom are not at the top of the economic food chain and are going to be rendered jobless by the tech creating the Singularity, Cell Regeneration, Mind-clones and Artificial Intelligence.

    1. You left out that young, good looking women can still whore themselves out and make a decent wage.

       1. I predict that even young pretty women won’t be able to get by in the new Future Tech Economy, UNLESS, they have parents that pay for them to get the “right combination” training and education OR they quickly lock down a “Beta Bucks” early in life.
          For example, look at the young woman that I posted in my example above. She’s not very attractive, BUT she is female and likely looks better than many of the “other women” that do “robotics maintenance” in the same industry. Take note, this goes back to why many here have been pointing out the expansion of the “welfare system” and how it is affecting women’s behaviors. In the future, I predict, this welfare system will be supporting, not only single mothers, old spinsters and disabled females, BUT also very good looking, poor women, that were unable to “marry up”.

       2. That’s only going to be the case until “virtual sex” gets to the point where it’s better than real sex. And that day is coming. It’s already come and gone for women (see: Hitachi Magic Wand); in fact, sex with a vibrator is so much better than a man that lots of women can’t even orgasm with a man at all anymore. The same will happen with men as the tech improves. Fleshlights are a canary in the coal mine, give it more time and there will be tech that truly, in every way, provides more pleasure than even the most skilled woman could hope to duplicate.

    2. Or, when the common man can no longer sustain himself legally, the entire edifice will be burned to the ground. The ‘singularity’ types always amuse me with their ignorance of the human animal, its needs, and the actions it is willing to undertake to assure essential needs are met. Including killing and destroying that which prevents the meeting of said needs.
       You’re making a very large assumption that the debt fueled ponzi scheme that is our status-quo, is going to continue indefinitely.
       I, on the other hand, see a near term expiry of the ponzi. Due to: insane deficit spending by this government (equivalent of Weimar money printing), growing entitlement costs that cannot and will not be touched, a growing number of people who can’t find jobs/had careers destroyed by .gov policies, have given up, or are willingly saying ‘fuck you’ to the tax takers and deliberately NOT maximizing their income or productivity in said system.
       When the ponzi stops, all trade will stop. All movement of goods on an international and even intra-national level will stop. At least for a time.
       During that time, food shortages will appear due to just-in-time practices. Cities will rapidly become death traps. Anarchy will reign until sufficient useless eaters are culled.
       My take is if you have kids like I do, you’d better be teaching them the value of practical skills. Things that cannot be automated or outsourced. And how to protect themselves. And the importance of situational awareness and being able to accurately identify threats.
       When there is no more functioning economy, your hypothetical rich kid raised in an insular environment while playing with high tech toys, will be just as fucked, if not more so than a poor kid with real world skills.
       Your value as a person will no longer be who you know or how much salary you can command, rather it will be determined by what you can do — by tangible skills.
       And generating statistical analyses, programming robots, marketing, accounting, and many other high paying trades will become what the buggy whip maker is today. Obsolete.
       We can agree to disagree. You see a high tech future with money printers never losing control due to environmental pressures, over population, resource depletion or any other possible pitfall.
       I see a future that is far more localized and poor by our current standards due to the ultimate failure of the fiat/fractional reserve ponzi scheme and global trade with it.
       No one can know who’s right but I think we can all agree it’s going to be one hell of a ride.
       And we should all remember that when a man has nothing left to lose, he loses it.

       1. At the end of the day we are still animals trying to control our base desires in the construct of civilization. Once that construct begins to crumble we will resort to the gifts mother nature has imbued in us to survive as a species.

          1. Not if advanced AI tech can do their dirty work for them and hold their little “island of advanced civilization” together, WITHOUT the need for any human labor or security forces.
             Most tech being developed today is bad for regular people whom are not part of the true “Owners of Capital” class and its really unfortunate that regular people do not see the scientists that are creating this tech as their economic adversaries.
             This tech can be used VERY effectively, to further our indentured servitude.
             But, how is that possible, a regular person may ask?
             Remember when cell phones were actually fun?
             I do, the phone was a huge and needed to be carried in a bag, BUT my boss NEVER called me on it, after what was considered typical work hours and certainly never to ask me to do more work while I was at home. Compare that to today, when a cell phone in your pocket can spontaneously generate more work to be done outside of the office, simply because someone higher up than you had a random thought at midnight.
             When my parents were in school in the 1950’s and 60’s they were told: no one would have to work in the future, that everything would be done by robots and they would, in turn, have increased free time used for creating, making art, learning and helping others…
             We all know how that turned out, mass layoffs, outsourcing due to cheaper communication tech and increased workload for those that remained gainfully employed
             The Singularity, Cell regeneration, Mind-Clones Cyborg Implants and Artificial Intelligence are essentially the same lie, that was told to our parents, just rehashed for a 21st century audience.
             I think its funny when regular people get excited about future tech like the Singularity, AI, Robotics, etc. Do people really think when these things finally become real, functioning, working designs, applicable to industry, that we the “peons”, will somehow ALL get a Data from Start Trek or a C-3PO from Star Wars, to help us at home, at the job site or in the office, etc?
             In reality we are going to get a David 8 as depicted in the Prometheus/Aliens films or the Robot Probation officer seen in the Elysium movie. These automatons are going to take away jobs and make unethical policing and policy enforcement, both easier and cheaper, for the true “Owners of Capital”. Since they won’t be paying a salary to the robot worker, the savings will instead be pumped into legal fees and political lobbying, resulting in an overall good ROI for the corporations/governments and a full blown, loss of liberty, for everyone else.
             Whom goes to jail when an AI Robot or Mind Clone pulls your arm out of the socket? Will it be considered “negligence by the human that lost the arm”, a matter for a “civil suit” only, perhaps “not a criminal act”, to be adjudicated in a arbitration setting?
             I personally at this point are willing to live with 1980’s +/- era tech, if it means, I am more free and can continue to earn money to live off.
             Elysium Probation Officer photo:
             http://fourthdimensionalrecovery.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/probation-officer1.jpg
             Introducing David 8 webpage:
             https://www.weylandindustries.com/david
             https://www.weylandindustries.com/img/david/david_003.jpg
             In the words of David 8: “I can do almost anything that could possibly be asked of me, including things that my human counterparts might find distressing or unethical”
             Sounds swell, don’t it!
             First, AI is going to make regular people jobless
             Second, it is going to steal what few liberties and freedoms they have left
             Third, it will make human life valueless to the true “Owners of Capital”, many of whom are Closeted Fascists

          2. I agree with your premise. You draw logical conclusions to your beginning assertion of AI and robots taking over. You’re also correct that global elites are in a race to develop this technology to overwhelm the plebs.
             My point is it wont happen in time because of human nature and the unrelenting desire to survive. Now I can’t say this for certain, but If I had to put money down, I will bet on mother nature and the human condition over globalists creating and implementing some type of AI that can centrally control robot overlords.
             I wager that we’ll see a global economic collapse and WW3 before any type of AI or robot army comes for us in our sleep. You may argue that AI and robots could be a product of a WW3 arms race, but I will still disagree as any and all resources will be devoted to conventional warfare logistics. Couple that with potential outbreaks of thermonuclear war, electromagnetic warfare and engineered biological warfare and we’ll usher in a new dark ages.
             I enjoy Phillip K Dick and William Gibson’s ideas of the future, but those were fanciful and do not factor in the potential barbarity of human beings whose backs are against the wall.

          3. The “Owners of Capital” don’t need everybody to be “on board”, they only need a few well compensated and highly trained people to do the maintenance and war fighting. Especially when the unspoken “Rules of War” and the Geneva Convention can be ignored (which will certainty be the case in an undeclared WWIII scenario taken up against the masses) Unless of course your future “rebels” participating in WWIII can disrupt drone strikes, destroy data centers doing intelligence processing and outmaneuver human Special Operation forces that are in service of the “Owners of Capital”.
             The days when groups like the, WWII era, “French Resistance” found military success, WITHOUT AIR SUPPORT, nor having computer driven counter-intelligence data analysis, are long behind us, especially when the “Rules of War” and the Geneva Convention will almost certainly be ignored or circumvented in future conflicts by the “Owners of Capital”.
             Read up on the US attack on the hospital in Kunduz, if you have any doubts about whether or not big government cares about the Rules of War anymore. The AC-130 flight crew even questioned the legality of their orders and the air strike, yet “command” ordered them to do it anyway, consequences be damned.
             THIS is the future of warfare, where “rebels” will stand little chance of success unless they gain the support of defectors that take modern equipment, tactics and skills with then to fight on the “Rebel” side.

          4. Various historical and current events demonstrate that humans with commitment and unconventional tactics give highly advanced technological armies fits and spasms:
             1. Seven Paris terrorists placed an entire city into a logistical nightmare with AKs and pipe bombs.
             2. The Vietcong took on the most advanced army of the 21st century with AKs and booby traps and pushed them from their country.
             3. Chris Dorner paralyzed LA police and state police as they hunted him for weeks.
             4. The DC snipers paralyzed both local and federal forces for weeks.
             5. The Rhodesian Light Army was outnumbered and out financed but stalemated 2 communist backed armies for 20 years.
             6. North Hollywood Bank Shootout, they mobilized an entire police force for 2 guys that had a plan and basic equipment.
             I am not disagreeing with you, the owners of capitol have learned many lessons over the last 100 years. But, they are not gods and omnipotent. They are not the only smart guys out there. History has proven that a farmer with ingenuity can surprise even the most educated and battle tested general. Humans with nothing left to lose can force the situation into directions that no war planner or AI algorithm can predict.
             I may not have faith in the longevity of civilization, But I have great faith in the capabilities of human beings when put to the test.

          5. I am familiar with all your examples and in most of those cases the “recognized authority” was indeed attempting to follow “rules of engagement” that were consistent with the “democratic processes” of their respective countries. That won’t be the case if the current batch of 1st world, “Owners of Capital” go to war against their general populations.
             Also your Rhodesian Light Army example is a little misplaced, because it has been suggested that they did indeed violate the Geneva Convention by using Anthrax, this also does not include the other numberous times they violated the Convention by disguising themselves in order to infiltrate enemy positions.
             The Rhodesian Light Army was absolutely limited in how it could react to communist supplied militia groups, due to international political pressure. As I have said this would not occur if, for example, the USA decided to take an armed conflict against the lower class population. Police forces currently do that with impunity, despite a degree of international outcry.

          6. Once again, no argument here, but the RLA example is accurate in that it describes an overwhelmed force using unconventional and illegal tactics to gain an advantage. Regardless of how history judges them, the tactics and logistics of their operations demonstrate that small forces does not equal immediate failure.
             If American patriots face off against globalist UN forces on American soil it would only make sense to throw Geneva convention rules out the window. I don’t suspect rebel forces will play by any rules when it comes to sovereignty or freedom from oppression. Just as those who would invade or oppress us would do the same as you suggest. The build up and flashpoints of such an endeavor by our globalist masters will wake enough people up to begin some form of resistance. In many ways we are witnessing the awakening now, albeit by political means (Trump and the rejection of mainstream media), it is happening.
             The future is going to be ugly, but I find optimism in courage, awareness and preparation.

          7. The Rhodesian Light Infantry had TOTAL Air Superiority, period. That’s why I mentioned the French Resistance during WWII as an example. Any USA based Rebel force would have to operate under similar conditions, except today’s current military and surveillance tech have eroded any possibility of success from such a rag tag force. If such an engagement were to happen today, it would end no differently than the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising
             No ragtag “rebel force” operating within the USA will ever have such an advantage over its enemies, as the Rhodesian Light Infantry had.

          8. The rebel force would be made up of 100s of thousands of veterans familiar with insurgency/ counter insurgency operations, the enemies tactics, weapon systesms and military philosophy. The know the land and the people, some in bed with the regime who would feed info back to them. In fact, I am sure people in DC have ran “red dawn” type scenarios and have an estimation of the outcome. They would lose.

          9. So your end argument is to just roll over and be oppressed without any type of fight? Sorry, I’m not interested in laying down my weapons and reporting to the nearest FEMA camp. Even if I am bombed from orbit I will die as part of a resistance fighting for what is natural and right. May history judge patriots kindly.

          10. Please don’t waste your time on League of Shadows or GhostOfJefferson. They have already drank the kool-aid and are dead already, they just don’t know it. Even if you submit proof that you are right “which I personally believe you are” you will never convince them that their world-view or ideology is wrong.

          11. What is your age and what part of the country do you reside in? I find you fascinating. There are not many out there who have your insight. Oh God how refreshing!

          12. @John Galt
              I discussed this already. These hypothetical “rebels” would need to gain the FULL support of defectors that bring, WITH THEM, modern
              equipment, tactics and skills to the “Rebel” side. Without that infrastructure, the modern USA military industrial complex would completely and QUICKLY swallow ANY rebel forces without access to contemporary counter intelligence strategy and limited air support (BTW, the North Vietnamese had interceptors available to disrupt USA close air support operations).

          13. Bullox. This isn’t a fucking “Star Wars” movie. Those guys obeying orders would be going against the guys who had their gig with alot more experience compiled. That chain link fence at the National Guard armory “is sure” going to deter alot of fired up patriots. That worked so well throughtout history. Cough. The feds and law enforcement are not anonymous. People know who and where their families live.
              Since Obama was elected, Americans purchased 100,000,000 firearms. Does that sound like a docile folk who are prepared to obey the whims of a incompetent what-to-be-dictator? Nigger please. Your ignorance gives them power they so desperately crave. Refuse to obey and openly resist. We have nothing else to lose.

          14. One word, LOGISTICS.
              What you keep describing in a VERY elementary fashion is known as “Fists of Iron, Feet of Clay”.
              Start studying up on what it REALLY takes to run protracted Guerrilla War against a strong centralized government. You should note, from the examples of the Americans fighting in the Revolutionary War, to the later North Vietnamese Vietcong, that ALL these “rag tag armies” had external support for supplies and a reliable means for logistical organization while operating under primitive conditions.
              May I ask what military command schools you have attended and how that education lead you to your current conclusions?

          15. @John Galt,
              During the American Revolutionary War, France SPENT 1.3 BILLION Livres (French currency used from 781 to 1794) supplying the Americans with Gunpowder and Naval Vessels to fight the British. “America” Exists because FRANCE paid for our independence.
              During the Vietnam War, the Communist Chinese Government GAVE the Vietcog nearly 2 million rifles and 1 BILLION rounds of ammunition. The Soviet Union also gave the Vietcong an estimated $450 Million worth of equipment and training. The “Socialist Republic of Vietnam” Exists because the Soviet Union and Communist China supplied the Vietcong with WEAPONS during the Indochina Wars.
              In CONTRAST, 50,000 Jews being held in the Warsaw Ghetto, resisted forced relocation by arming themselves with 9 rifles, 59 pistols, a few hundred hand grenades, home made explosives, improvised weapons and a currency nest egg of 4.4 million Zloty. 13,000 of these resistors died in the armed conflict, the rest were captured and shipped to concentration camps. The Warsaw Gehtto Uprising lasted about one month and only 110 German troops were killed.
              Which of the above situations do YOU think modern American rebels would most likely be in, IF, they opposed the US government in armed conflict?
              There is only ONE right answer.
              Again, the days when rebel groups like the, WWII era, “French Resistance” can achieve success in battle, against a modern military industrial complex, WITHOUT ALSO HAVING AIR SUPPORT, nor having computer driven counter-intelligence analysis & support processes, are long behind us.

       2. I have heard your rebuttal before, but the “Owners of Capital” know full and well that they are in a “race against time”. I also gave a time scale for my “prediction” which starts roughly 15 years from now. My “prediction” is certainly going to arrive BEFORE your apocalypse scenario does. In fact, I give your scenario at least 30 years before it becomes a conceivable reality.
          The “Owners of Capital” are betting on the Singularity, Cell Regeneration, Mind-clones and AI to provide their creature comforts in the future. We are approaching an era where the “Owners of Capital” will not need laborers of any kind to live a life of comfort. But, our civilization is not quite there yet, technology-wise, so the “Owners of capital” need to “keep people calm and unsuspecting” until the trigger can be pulled decisively without consequence.
          So, what are the possible scenarios that regular folks will experience, during this “interim period”, while the technology needed to create the Singularity, Cell Regeneration, Mind-clones and AI, is maturing?
          Young people don’t understand that this tech, that they are addicted to, can be used VERY effectively, to further their indentured servitude.
          The “Owners of Capital” will simply extract the little remaining labor wages from the lower classes, by decree, through the implementation of a cashless system. Consumers will not have choices in the future because purchases will be mandatory in some way. Policies structured like Obamacare should have taught us ALL how these kinds of scenarios will play out. Obamacare is merely the test run of how to implement future legislated purchases on a large scale. “Click-Wrap Agreements” coupled with a “cashless society” will make that transition easier for the “Owners of Capital” to force on the general populace.
          What do I mean exactly?
          Many forget that we now live in what “could” be considered a fascist country, with oligopolies running it behind the scenes. What usually results, is a situation where the “owners of capital”, can and will “legislate” mandatory purchases in the future, if revenue does not match their expectations or projections (for the good of the nation of course, i.e., Too-Big-to-Fail).
          So for example, if someone chooses not to buy unneeded goods or services, they will simply pay a “penalty” at tax time or some scheme involving a “negative interest rate”. The “owners of capital” have, at this point, run out of consumer goods that they can “strongly coerce” people to buy, in order to go to work, such as, gasoline, internet connection, car insurance, bus/subway fare, cell phones, suits/uniforms, soap, deodorant, razors, etc. We are approaching a day when they will simply make it law that you have to buy goods, in certain quantities before tax season (just like the current Obamacare that can be coupled Flexible Spending Accounts), except one day we will have an FSA to be used for ALL goods and services, and you can bet those accounts will be “use-it or lose-it”. Also, since you won’t be able to own things like the new “digital cars”, that are currently being developed, nor will you own the current “digital media” being rented on Hulu, Netflix, etc., means that likely, in the future, you could be billed for “damage to the vehicle or product” from the “real owners” of that vehicle or product at any time.
          Regular People will not be allowed to be frugal in the future because the “owners of capital” can choose, AT ANY TIME to, take close to the same amount of lost revenue back, when a person tries to save money by reducing purchases, in the form of “tax penalties” or other method (cashless, digital currency, negative interest rate, instant credit to cover shortfalls and deductions from bank accounts, ALL DONE whenever the “owners of capital” see fit). A cashless society, dominated by “click-wrap agreements” is the easiest way to structure “forced purchases” into the larger economy. Another scenario that regular people will face in the future, is when someone chooses “not to buy” and then doesn’t have the proper “proof of purchase” coupon, etc, to prove they bought these items, in the required quantities, when tax fillings come due. I can guarantee that the IRS or some other agency will have some way to calculate the amount “you should have purchased” (sounds a little like a college FASFA aid forms in reverse doesn’t it?). People will also have to pay a monthly fee to keep their digital money in the bank and there won’t be any alternative way to store it, without paying the monthly fee. This process will result in an instant, predictable, revenue generator for public companies, that the stock market will then feed off.
          Note, bartering used as a circumvention method has been suggested before, but the IRS already has a plan and system in place to deal with it somewhat. They will tax bartering, by an estimate, the same way they do for restaurant servers receiving tips. There will likely be HUGE penalties for barter and I will bet EVERYONE will automatically be assumed to have “bartered” some amount over the year at tax time (perhaps an estimated $500 in barter per year, that is taxed whether the person in question did any actual bartering or not). The most likely outcome though, is that one day, bartering will simply be deemed an illegal activity, I don’t recall it being a named constitutional right anywhere.
          Look at solar roof panels, as another example, many local governments are taxing people for installing them because they reduce dependence on local utilities, which in turn, drives down privatized revenue being collected by the contract companies hired running the utilities.
          Millennial’s and the generation after them, falsely believe tech will save and unite them, when in reality it was designed by “corporate committee” to do just the opposite. The only way to prevent that shift, is for Millennial’s to immediately STOP buying such tech, opposing the development of said tech and discouraging others from buying and using it, even if it means using physical force. But, they will NEVER do this because they have drank the cool-aid and are to a certain extent addicted to technology. Think about it, I’m seeing commercials for ordering pizza on a smartphone app, but whats the point, really? To appease Millennial’s? Perhaps. But, did this consuming cohort of fools take the time to think about whether it is really more convenient to type an order in on an app, as opposed to calling the order in on a phone? No they didn’t AND by using the smartphone app to place a FOOD ORDER instead of a phone, the pizza seller can then become a data broker making money selling customer info, instead of making money by providing a quality food product.
          Then there is the issue of behavioral “data simulations” being conducted on citizens by corporations and government for revenue projections. I can guarantee that some people will not be able to be “simulated”, due to high levels of inaccuracy in the data that exists on file is collected on them. Some simple examples would be homeless people, old people that don’t use credit or the internet, and low wage earners functioning soley on cash, whom use cell phones or have utility bill etc on a relatives account, which their name is not on (I have a brother-in that does all of the above and couch surfs, there’s no way a simulation would know anything about him because he has virtually no digital footprint).
          Th rub is when these “behavioral simulations” becomes a real part of business revenue projections, directly influencing tax revenue projections and collection methods. These people that “cannot be simulated” will be labeled criminals and put on some kind of supervised probation and forced to adapt habits that can be tracked digitally. I can GUARANTEE this will happen. As I stated above, Millennial’s are likely the easiest to simulate already because they have already given away the keys to the castle and have no intention of taking those keys back.
          Right now most Americans are expected to and are coerced by employment requirements to buy/finance a car, buy/finance education, buy/finance healthcare, buy/finance insurance and eventually buy/finance a home of some kind.
          What do you think the “Owners of Capital” will do when “life-extension”, “self-driving car”, “robot AI home worker”, “AI networked appliances” or “cyborg implant” tech become viable commercial products?
          They will simply coerce people to buy it, even if the recipient doesn’t want to have the procedure done and the methods used to coerce the general populace in the United States, will not require any additional lobbying or law changes on the behalf of the “Owners of Capital”.
          Imagine a world where life-extension tech is sold and financed to regular people, over long repayment periods, to people that don’t have the ability to pay for it, in cash, up front, similar to a cars, higher education or home mortgages.
          Want to opt-out? Sure you have the “choice” to do anything you want. We are a “free country” after all.
          Imagine the unfolding of the following fictional scenarios, resulting from a person “choosing” to NOT have the life-extension procedure:
          Do you want health insurance? Sorry, but we don’t insure people whom have not had the life-extension procedure. However, there is another provider that we can refer you to that will, but that company has both a high deductible and high premium, so as to reduce the coverage risk of your shorter life span, to the provider.
          Want to get a job? Sorry, but we don’t hire people whom have not had the life-extension procedure, they cost more to insure and are un-insurable in some cases. We don’t consider this discrimination, however, because its no different than requiring you to have a car or a driver license for employment with our firm. Especially with the Supreme Court declaring that those refusing the life-extension procedure are not considered disabled, nor are a protected class.
          Do you need a credit card or a business loan? Sorry, but we have to charge you a higher interest rate because our actuaries have found that people whom have not had the life-extension procedure are a higher risk, have higher unemployment rates and have lower profit margins, due to a shorter life expectancy.
          Do you need a bank account or cell/internet/communication service plan? Sorry, but we don’t open accounts to people whom have not had the life-extension procedure, they cost significantly more to service, due to not being plugged directly into the system.
          Again, as I said above, this mandatory purchase strategy will not be limited to ” life-extension tech”. Just replace the word “life-extension procedure”, in my above example, with the word “self-driving car”, “robot AI home worker”, “AI networked appliances”, “Cell Regeneration” or “cyborg implant” and the result is the same for the regular person.
          Last, “Private Cities” owned by corporations, will be exempt for labor and civil laws. The rally to create these cities will be done to lower human labor costs before the Singularity, Mind-clone and AI tech fully take over, rendering regular people back to old indenture servant system that used to exist in the USA.
          Want to get a job in a “Private City”? Sorry, but we don’t hire people whom have not financed the life-extension procedure and/or do not have an AI car or home worker”.
          In a “Private City” the “Owners of Capital” can make ANY RULES THEY WANT, without “due process” or pesky “labor laws” getting in the way.
          All of the above also does not include fact that employers will require people working for them to hold bank accounts with negative interest rates and it won’t matter if the person is paid by on 1099 or has a W-2.
          Do you want to get paid in a cashless society? If so, you will need to have an open and active “negative interest” bank account.
          Perhaps there will be successful bank runs in other countries, but certainly not in the USA.
          In the USA the government has the power to simply make certain actions illegal on a whim because unlike Europe, we have no real consumer, civil or labor protections. This also doesn’t account for the private banks just outright refusing to give you your money, on bank run day, requiring you to attempt to press charges against them or suing, in hopes of successfully gaining access to your funds in the far future.
          But the reality is, if, bank runs become a possible reality, the private banks will know well in advance and will have taken all the physical cash out of the local bank locations, before the public becomes aware. The government will also make carrying cash over a certain amount illegal, say something like, no more than $100 physical cash on your person, inside residences, private storage, vehicles or business locations.
          In the USA I suspect that the “Owners of Capital” will “legislate purchases”, little by little, then do a surprise unload of the negative interest polices on existing accounts. Regular people won’t see it coming and will hit them like a ton of bricks, with no alternatives to fall back on.

    3. I think robots could effect a huge change in the fast food industry. Pick-and-place robots could assemble a burger better and faster than any person. Pick-and-place robots have been on auto assembly lines for decades. They could have been brought into McDonalds or Burger King a long time ago: the reason they haven’t isn’t technological limitations but the ensuing outcry about how uneducated workers are being forced out of their jobs into the unemployment line.

       1. It’s only a matter of time until fast food restaurants are completely automated by robots. We have the technology to do it now with kiosks for customers to place their orders. The fools who are demanding $15/hour wages will only hasten their trip to the unemployment line.

          1. But I wasn’t talking about low-wage/low-skill jobs, I was talking about the lower and middle classes financial ability to get trained in high demand tech fields and later find related employment, while competing against rich kids that have no limits on access to new technology for practicing on and no limits to formal schooling so they can refine skills as needed, when industry shifts from one tech fad to another.

          2. Yes, and those kiosks are far more reliable than a cashier: customer just selects what toppings and condiments, sees a review of the ordered item, and hits confirm. No mistakes or f*ck ups

       2. Its funny that we’ll replace factory workers with robots but not burger flippers.
          I would think that factory work has more honor and self respect than “do you want fries with that”. Elites are more than happy to ship factory work overseas to save money but not implement robots at fast food chains to do the same. It makes less sense if you consider that factory workers would have more purchasing power in a consumer driven economy than a burger flipper does. It suggests that the use of robots in one industry over another is less about cost savings and more about national control. Nefarious in my opinion.
          Just another glimpse into the globalist elite and their destabilization agenda.

    4. I didn’t read your entire post but agree in general with eventual AI dominance. If we accept this as an inevitability (not necessarily in our lifetimes) then what is the roll for humanity to play? Without human labor needed, a much smaller population would be needed. Does society accomplish that itself, or does it have it imposed on them? That’s the big question to me.
       Is there a Cylon war wiping out most humans? Do millions die off from disease or war or malnutrition or poverty? Do the machines simply stop sending us crops because there are too many of us? Do humans restrict family size so the population slowly declines into a more stable size? (history shows us that the logical, steady, slow answer is never the ones humans opt for).

    5. Every new invention or mode of production has been predicted to cause massive unemployment and economic chaos. Every one of those predictions turn out to be false.

       1. My post focused on structural problems that will prevent the re-training of people from the lower classes for higher skilled, higher paying
          jobs.
          I also wasn’t talking about the complete disappearance of low-wage/low-skill jobs, I was however, talking about the lower and middle classes financial ability to get trained in high demand tech fields and later find related employment, while competing against rich kids that have no limits on access to new technology for practicing on and no limits to formal schooling so they can refine skills as needed, when industry shifts from one tech fad to another.
          So, I did talk about “job mobility” and possibly of class based “joblessness”.
          Where exactly in my post did I say anything about “massive unemployment?
          I did not and I will now further clarify.
          The “Owners of Capital” want wage slaves DEAD before turning 60. Best case scenario for them, is for someone to work 60+ hour work weeks from ages 16-60, put all of their money into a 401K, cars & home mortgage, neglecting to go to the doctor for decades and then suddenly drop dead of a heart attack; all before they can drain their 401K’s and start using earned social security & medicare benefits.
          Due to the way our current economic system works, we CLEARLY have too many people being born and not enough desire on the behalf of the “owners of capital” to employ them for the sake of having a stable and safe civilization. In the United States, for example, its clear that the “owners of capital” have chosen NOT to employ people on a large scale, preferring “tent cities” and “jailing the homeless”, INSTEAD of providing more “make-work employment” arrangements.
          Up to the 1940 a person could get just about any job with an 8th grade education, but today you need a BA or Masters for entry level. Why?
          Because the government & big business figured out a long time ago that populations would certainly increase over time, but due to technology advancements, the availability of jobs would not expand to meet that population growth. There is a DEFINITE reason they don’t want people dropping out of high school and then at the same time, encourage those same high school graduates to attend junior college, then a 4 year university and finally a Masters degree or PhD. Government strong-arms this concept because it DECREASES the amount of people looking for full-time employment at the SAME TIME, chasing after jobs in a market that CANNOT provide employment for everyone whom is looking, able to perform, qualified for and willing to work.
          Look at it this way, when people could get a job with an 8th grade education, they went out and did it as soon as possible (opportunity cost). Then jobs got scarcer and the minimum requirement became a high school diploma, adding 4 more years of people NOT Looking for jobs within their cohort. Then jobs got even scarcer and the minimum became a 2 or 4 year college degree, adding an additional 2-4 years of people NOT looking for jobs within their cohort. Now jobs are really scarce and may require a Masters or PHD, adding an additional 2-7 years of people NOT looking for jobs within their cohort. Basically due to the way the economy has been structured TODAY, we are looking at young people within their cohort whom are NOT looking for full-time, career type, employment for 4-15 YEARS, beyond K-12, all while they finish more school!
          This has been done ON PURPOSE, to keep the number people seeking employment lower. In 1920 after 8th grade everyone who was able, went out to look for work and typically found it. That’s simply NOT possible today under any circumstances. Easily accessed welfare will soon add another 1-3 years of people within a cohort, to those “not seeking employment”. Note this will NOT be to the specific detriment of society, but as a means to continue to mask the illusion that jobs and upward mobility are still available. So, if someone gets a graduate degree and collects 1-3 years of welfare on top of than, that’s ONE less person competing for scarce jobs. The extra years of welfare are then acting in the same way to the larger economy, as the previously increased minimum education levels for employment. The real goal is decreasing the number of able-bodied applicants out on the job market at the same time, but also not decreasing the supply of “potential workers” who’s mere existence drive wages down for EVERYBODY. Keep in mind this cohort of people “not pursuing full-time employment” also includes those in Prison, Government pensioners/SSI and the disabled on government assistance. The reality is if everyone needed to go out and “get a job” or “start their own business” TODAY, as many “capitalists” and “entrepreneurs” suggest these days, we would ALL be making 0.25 cents a day. THIS RACE TO THE BOTTOM EFFECTS THE SELF EMPLOYED WAGES AS WELL.
          The “owners of capital” have already decided, FOR US REGULAR PEOPLE, that there are going to be LESS jobs available in the NEAR future, due to increased automation and modern corporate labor, cost-cutting, strategies. These measures eventually will affect and include ALL contract work, ALL self-employment opportunities and ALL small businesses, NOT JUST payroll laborers. Its easier to “pay less” or “nothing at all” to contracted or indentured “labor” when there is another willing laborer/slave, waiting in the wings, to do the work for less or nothing at all. In the past when there wasn’t enough money to go around to pay both wages & PROFITS, the “owners of capital” simply brought in more indentured servant immigrants (Irish, Italians, Chinese, etc) or flat out used slave labor (Blacks, Native Americans, domestic prisoners, POW’s, etc). The only difference between now and then is the “owners of capital” can’t LEGALLY have slaves or indentured servants. The mechanisms today that replaces slaves and indentured servants are the following: longer than needed formal education for basic employment, off-shoring of labor, forced retirement, prisoners and welfare
          The largest “recorded” wage increase to happen in history, for non-land owing, wage-laborers, post the introduction of fiat currency, was after the black death pandemic, in the 14th century, especially in post-pandemic England
          But, how was that possible?
          Because “the owners of capital”, post the black-death-pandemic, still needed wage-laborers, but there was a HUGE shortage of able bodied people. So, in order for ANY work to get done, they had to pay the peasants and other undesirables, more money, SIGNIFICANTLY MORE. This principle is still at work today, when you take the time to recognize that sizable portions of the population are actively discouraged from participating in the full-time labor market. This is easily done, by throwing people in prison, forcing them to attend formal school longer and allowing more people to claim themselves as disabled or collect long/short term welfare
          After the Black Death ran its course, in the 14th century, a Peasants Revolt was triggered by the “Statute of Labourers 1351”. By 1381, the sustained wage growth for non-land owing, wage-laborers was rising so quickly that the English parliament, a few decades post the Black-Death, under King Edward III, introduced the “Statute of Labourers 1351”. This statute was used by the “Owners of Capital”, as an artificial means to drive down the wages of non-land owning peasants. Despite market conditions signalling the need for increased wages
          The Statute of Laborers; 1351 (“Statutes of the Realm,” vol. i. p. 307.) http://avalon.law.yale.edu/medieval/statlab.asp
          Think about that for a minute, the MARKET signaled that wages should have been higher, du to actual labor shortages caused by the Black Death, but the “owners of capital” still didn’t want to pay it, so they wrote a law saying why they didn’t have to conform to demands of the market. That’s where we are today, a form of Neo-feudalism, driven by Fascist ideology and practices. Remember the USA a former “slave owning nation”, that fought “tooth & nail” to maintain the legal right to own slaves; even turning indentured servants, whom by contract, were set to be released in 7 years, into indefinite slaves through legal loopholes.
          Just to be clear, I am NOT against “private ownership” and yes, I am labeling the current elite class, very broadly by calling them the “Owners of Capital”. As has been said her on ROK, 3rd wave Feminism and the replacement of male directed spending for female directed spending, absolutely fits with everything that I have pointed out above, in regards to the overall trends in the USA labor market.

          1. Due to the way our current economic system works, we CLEARLY have too many people being born
             Maybe in Africa and South America. In the State, Canada, Australia, the U.K. and Europe we’re not even at replacement levels any longer. Seems that the “Owners of Capital” aren’t that bright. Or they’re simply replacing us with low wage slave labor, which I’ll grant is possible.
             My only point was that every new technology/invention that helps labor rates has always been predicted to somehow be catastrophic to labor. Turns out, not the case.

          2. Please don’t waste your time.

          3. momo you’re on fire my nigger! I’m saving your posts.
             what are your proposed solutions to these problems?

          4. Some food for thought:
             

    6. Great post!
       ““Someone has to get paid to fix the robots!””
       Yes, that’s true. But the people who say this are thinking that “Johhny Backyard Mechanic” with a 90IQ is going to be that robot fixer. That’s not the case AT ALL. What’s really going to happen is that 10 really high IQ guys are going to be hired to maintain 100 industrial robots. GREAT you say, 10 new jobs!! Yeah, no so much.
       See, those 10 high IQ guys and their fleet of 100 robots will put 1000 mid/moderate IQ men out of a job. And the trend will continue, eventually only 5 guys (of the original 10 with the best aptitude) will be needed to maintain a fleet of 2000 robots. And then 3 guys for 3000 robots. And eventually, you’ll get to where we are getting today in IT, where one guy can maintain 10,000+ robots with automation and scripting. Sure, that guy needs to be a genius. And he’ll have a great job/pay. But he and his fleet of robots puts thousands of other people out of work.
       The first big real application of this that everyone will feel/see will be self driving cars. In a very short period, 90%+ of those who drive for living (taxi drivers, truck drivers, bus drivers, parking attendants, valets) are going to find their job not changed, but utterly obliterated by technology. Given that a large proportion of this country makes their money in driving, the impact of this is going to be tremendous. Sure, it’s going to be great for those of us who can afford a self driving car. And great for the companies like Uber who can’t wait to take the human labor out of the equation. But the 1000 programmers at Tesla are going to wind up destroying 100’s of thousands of jobs once they get it working correctly.
       At some point, we’re going to need a mandatory minimum income. I hate the idea, it’s against everything I believe politically. But I just don’t see a way around it.

19. “It is important to remember that America has never been a live-and-let-live nation.” This right here is the important concept that defines America. It has parroted to the world for so many years that it defends freedom and democracy yet it has managed to get it’s talons into just about every area of the world where it’s “interests” where challenged.

    1. You should see the film “Breaker Morant”
       One of the soldiers summed up the British Empire (and for that matter, all empires): “This is what comes from empire building.”

20. Yeah Jim Jones was a great guy, all right.
    Author: Get fucked.

21. Space Colonization – Once we can manipulate gravity the way we currently do with the EM spectrum, space travel will be as common as a flying from NY to LA and that day is 10 – 30 years away.

    1. Fine..but that estimate is based on a current trajectory….is it still 10-30 years away when 80% of people accepted to top engineering programs are affirmative action admits? how about 100%? Your estimate is based on a world where, though feminized, STEM programs are still mostly filled with qualified young men. However, watch how affirmative action totally tanks that timeline. In the world that women want to create, the idea of doing something so spectacular will be impossible….

    2. Hasn’t fusion energy always been just 50 years away?

    3. And I don’t see there being any public support for space exploration / colonization. I would wager 90+% of females would say we need to spend money fixing all earthly woes, e.g., feed and clothe all third worlders, before we so much as lift our eyes skyward. Women are the problem. They have no desire to experience “magnificent desolation.”

22. Every habitual pot smoker I have met has been a loser with no plans for life or a career of any sort. They whine about how the legalization of weed should be the most important criteria to use when selecting candidates but rarely vote themselves.
    Also I love the “It makes me a great artist” argument. While I’m sure there are exceptions, the average potheads’s art makes Andres Serrano look like Leonardo da Vinci.

    1. As the saying goes, I may not want to smoke, but it did wonders for my record collection.

    2. Same with everyone who gets drunk every day.
       Just as there’s a huge difference between the man who has a few drinks with friends versus the man who gets drunk every night, so too is their a difference between the casual pot user and your ‘wake and baker’.

23. I only care about #5 – and we damn well better find a way off of here. There is plenty of economic justification for space expansion. The first step is to make it cheap to achieve orbit with some kind of space elevator.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_elevator
    Once lift to orbit is easy, all of the solar system is open for mining and eventual settlement.

    1. I used to be a very strong proponent of space exploration and development. But all the claims that are offered up as justification fall apart upon inspection.
       People talk about energy resources, e.g., solar power satellites in orbit or solar arrays on the Moon that would beam the energy via microwaves back to Earth. Yes, solar panels are more efficient in space (no attenuating atmosphere), but it would much less expensive to just deploy more solar arrays out in the desert on Earth.
       Overcrowding? Nope. You could put people in high rise Tokyo style towers for far less than putting them on other worlds.

       1. Can’t we fit the entire Earth’s population in Texas or something like that?

          1. Actually, you can fit all of us in Angola AND we’d all still have room to work and live and move about.

       2. By that logic there was no need to colonize the New World. Sure, we had some gold, but if there’s plenty of room at home in England and Spain then why not just stay there? The answer is: Because we are human. Because we can. We go to the moon not because it is easy. But because it is hard.

          1. Have you read Frederick Jackson Turner’s 1893 “Frontier Thesis” ? He argued that Westward expansion and the frontier were essential to fostering the unique American spirit and love of freedom. Unfortunately, I don’t think that restless drive to explore the unknown exists much anymore. It certainly doesn’t exist in women and I think it is quite rare in young men as well.

          2. I have not read it, but concur. We had that spirit as recently as my parents generation, so I hope it is not lost forever. But yes, it is quite rare among 20s and younger today.

          3. In women this drive never existed to begin with.

24. Marijuana, on top of other things in our culture , has made men lazy and pussified . It serves a medical purpose , yes , and can be enjoyed in moderation but the average American age 30 and under generally has trouble with that . People will get on their soap box all day long for things , that in the long run , hurt us .

    1. Yea Pot is bad. Now excuse me while I drink this 5th of whiskey.

       1. Read where I said “among other things “

       2. Ahahah. This idea that marijuana is “better” than alcohol or tobacco… Do yourself a favour, go to the nearest mental institution and ask for psychotic people’s statistics on marijuana consumption. The problem is it’s effect is delayed (adolescent consumers will face adverse effects in their 30s) and that “half argument” is making an industry.
          Now you go preach the wonders of the harmless drug. I have seen where it leads. As BA Baracus, I pitty the fool(s).

          1. I never claimed it is harmless. I implied that it is less harmful than alcohol and since alcohol is legal, the US has no right to outlaw weed.
             I also believe that the government has no right to ban an individual substance without a constitutional amendment like they did with Prohibition. Otherwise, under the 10th Amendment, legalization or decriminalization of weed is up to the state.
             Don’t want to smoke weed? Don’t. I’m not here to force you. But you can be god damn sure that your opinions will have no effect on my choices. I don’t even smoke weed because I’m subject to drug testing at work and I want to keep my job.

          2. It is a billion times worse than alcohol. Anyone can replace or regenerate a liver. Not so much a brain. If you had the quantity and quality of consumption we have for alcohol, we wouldn’t have a functioning society anymore.
             And yes, I am not for prohibition either. I am for the absolute and definitive (as in “for ever”) loss of the right of assistance in health and social care for anyone embarking in marijuana consumption. You want to blow yourself up? Fine!!! Don’t ask me my tax money when you are a hobo looser or when you need 8 people a day to wash you, feed you, dress you and clean the drool after you’ve taken your 4 pills a meal because you hear the “voices inside your head” and your family is too afraid of you to allow you near.

          3. Consindering how heaviley taxed and demonized alcohol and tabaco is, I cannot understand why legalizing another “substance” is suppose to be progress. Decades of “don’t drink and drive” and “smoking gives you lung cancer” programs totalling in the millions by public “service” at tax payer (our) expense.
             Lets smoke pot! It’s legal now!
             Cripes.

          4. I think marijuana can be dangerous for those already predisposed to mental problems like schizophrenia or depersonalization. or paranoia. Plus unless buying from a dispensary you don’t know if it’s laced with PCP or something.

          5. The anti-tobacco campaign was just crazy. Urban living, where anyone is exposed to asbestos, industrial and automobile smoke, heavily concentrated radiation sources (wi-fi, x-ray from hospitals, UV, etc), radon contamination… What about diet? Heavy metals in fish, hormones and antibiotics in meat, insecticides in vegetables, fluoride in water (in USA)…
             But what is the great enemy of the people? Tobacco…
             The sad part is that most research about its medical uses was stopped (in diseases like Crohn, Alzheimer and a few others) and now we are watching this “pot craze” that only shows us how NOT about health it was.

          6. Marijuana is a risk factor for psychotic disease. We currently have a “multiple hint” theory in medical culture. It means you most probably don’t develop a disease unless you collect multiple risk factors. In the same way, if you are exposed to morre risk factors, you’ll probably have a more serious disease.
             When I interviewed these patients, what made me more alert to this problem was that they described how they sort of relived their “marijuana trance” states of the past through their diseases, but they were “locked” in them. The question aroused in me: what if these people had not experienced them in the first place? There is also a typical association between anti-psychotic drugs (used for treatment) and the sensation of pain, which is not observed in psychotic patients who had no history of marijuana consumption.

          7. “It is a billion times worse than alcohol. Anyone can replace or regenerate a liver” Anyone can replace or regenerate a liver? You’ve obviously never visited a hospice for homeless people in your life. Liver cirrhosis is the number one cause of death with people over the age of 35, most dying by 55, caused by alcohol consumption and not drugs of any description. It’s an irreversible condition, besides it’s well known that after nicotine, alcohol is much more additive than pot.
             I don’t smoke pot myself as I don’t need to consume drugs to feel fine about the world.

          8. You can transplant a liver. The problem is there are too many people needing it. Demand is too much bigger than supply.
             But I reapeat it: iimagine if you had the same amount of people consuming the necessary marijuana to damage their livers. It is fortunate they do not exist. If they did, it would be much worse than it is for alcohol. And hepatic neuropathy exists, but it is not even close to be as serious as any psychotic disease, like schizophrenia.

          9. “And hepatic neuropathy exists, but it is not even close to be as serious as any psychotic disease” Well, respectfully, I’d differ on that assessment. I think the evidence that grass causes schizophrenia is very tenuous in comparison to the link of high alcohol consumption and serious liver disease.

          10. Reversibility is the key-word here. I treated many hepatic patients in the early beginings of my career. Some died (those who were alcoholic AND had social problems or co-infection with STDs), some remained as they were, some recovered completely.
              I treat psychotic patients for years. Some died, some seldom have acute episodes which are… a hell on Eart, some remain treated and have sad lives. None is cured (or will ever be). Treated, yes, as long as their livers, kidneys and families allow us to help them. Cured? No.
              And all my concerns are that the portion of the irreversible ones grow out of control.

          11. Treated and cured is an interesting distinction. I’ll say in the former you’re really looking at how to manage the addiction. It’s my experience that with addictions you’re dealing with issues that have multiple psychological and social roots which makes treating the pathological condition extremely difficult. In America, it seems these people have little hope of ever recovering in the fullest sense, whereby the State can and does intervene directly in European countries to give homeless people the social supports they need to become functional members of society again. The system in America appears to be based purely on the medical side, but, there’s no point in treating people without giving them a place of their own, a job, essentially a purpose while they’re in recovery from addiction. May be to cure people we need more than just medicine, may be we need to treat people not as the defunct economic waste of the system, but, as people who the State and society have a moral obligation to treat as full members of their own Nation.

          12. Where are you getting your info? Harvard says pot doesn’t cause schizophrenia. I can post a dozens links to sites that claim weed is safer than booze but I’ll assume that you can use google.
              http://www.leafscience.com/2013/12/08/marijuana-cause-schizophrenia-harvard-study-finds/
              Now I obviously can’t reproduce these experiments and I wont even claim to completely understand the science behind it but when a University, that constantly ranks as top on the planet, says something I’ll listen.
              “! Don’t ask me my tax money when you are a hobo looser”
              Fair enough but apply that standard to everything, obesity, alcohol, tobacco, AIDS from ass sex. If little Jonny bust his skull open at the skateboard park, be sure to deny him treatment unless his parents can pay.

          13. I’m curious: do you believe some people are more susceptible to the adverse effects of marijuana, e.g., those who have already exhibited depersonalization, the more intelligent, etc? It seems many people use marijuana habitually without the mental issues you cite. Were they from the meaty portion of the bell curve?

          14. “asbestos” Not anywhere in the developed world.
              “industrial and automobile smoke” Not a problem in Europe!
              “x-ray from hospitals” the X-rays don’t shoot across cities lol.

          15. The problem is that it will activate genes in people who don’t know they have them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Wilson

          16. Prove it’s not harmful?

          17. “I’m curious: do you believe some people are more susceptible to the adverse effects of marijuana, e.g., those who have already exhibited depersonalization, the more intelligent, etc? It seems many people use marijuana habitually without the mental issues you cite. Were they from the meaty portion of the bell curve?” Well name one person who has made a major contribution (e.g. invention) to society?

          18. “”asbestos” Not anywhere in the developed world.” Wrong. they are not being used in new constructions anymore, that is true. But the majority of buildings which used them before have not replaced them. Where I currently live, ALL public schools have asbestos roofs with 30 or more years, which had never been replaced or even properly maintained. If you think of the former East Germany, Southern Europe and countries like Slovakia, asbestos are still very abundant. In countries like the UK or France, some efforts of replacement were conducted, but large amounts of asbestos remain. In the USA… remember WTC, NY, the one Osama destroyed? It was built using asbestos and replacing them would be almost impossible. Just an example.
              “”industrial and automobile smoke” Not a problem in Europe!” – What kind of Europe are you talking about? Most people don’t live in turistic postal cards.
              “”x-ray from hospitals” the X-rays don’t shoot across cities lol.” This is just idiotic. I was talking about the fact that it is practically impossible you reach adulthood without being exposed to them once, twice or more times. What about a CAT scan? X rays are one of the most DNA damaging forms of radiation we have on Earth.

          19. The difficult part in making scientific progresses regarding the dangers of marijuana is that it is, like so many other risk factors in psychiatry, a long acting cumulative risk. Saying noone becomes schizofrenic after immediate consumption of marijuana has 0 scientiific value. It is the same as saying noone gets a borderline personality disorder immediatly after a traumatic event. Of course not! It takes years, and many other factors of the patient’s life.
              We wouldn need significant populations to be studied and a reliable control group and really intrusive monitoring measures. It would be so expensive that finding a financeer would be next to impossible. And what would be the conclusion? We need to shut down “an industry”! In the generalized failure we have as an economy in the West, everything goes and political power sees citizens as easily spendable resources. Last year, EU started having prostitution revenues included in the GDP calculus, so…
              Focusing in your question, I’ll answer from what I observed. People who are more creative, in other words, those who can spontaneously develop abstract thoughts, are in greater danger. That includes necessarily the most intelligent portion of the population (and we can see how it could become an effective way of destroying intellectual elites), but also those in the opposite side of the spectrum, the superstitious part of the less literate.
              Those in between may be at a lower risk, but that is changed when they have issues dealing with pain (psychological or physical pain), when they have disfunctional social supports (family, job, friends) or when they have addictive traits in their personalities.
              Also importantly, I noticed that since the deinstitutionalization movement succeeded in this medical area, patients and their care have been sort of “hidden” from social scrutiny, with the worst outcome imaginable in some cases, but also effectively creating another taboo. In a Society where everyone “accepts the difference”, it is useful to hide those who are blatantly unacceptable in most functions. In this way, those who could show the model as an absolute failure (those who are truely “different”, the psychotics and the psycopaths) are slowly enjailed or even killed. Those who are no threat at all, the typical “almost a pet” patients, are, on the other hand, shown as almost heroes when they are trained to execute simple tasks.

          20. Obesity, alcohol, tobacco… Yes, let’s do it. We are rational beings, we deserve to be responsible for our behaviour.
              Skateboard… hmmm. I’ll think about that. AIDS… well if you could prove me it was caught from ass sex and the partner new about the infection, it’s ok. But what if that AIDS was caught when nurse Johane was collecting your blood for standard analysis and the needle found its way to her finger?
              As for what Harvard says or not, I am just waiting the day they will tell us God doesn’t exist, mixed race people can fly like superman and Donald Trump is a reptilian alien. Where exactly do you think PC thought and words are borne?
              I’ve answered to your “science around marijuana” question in a reply to Waldemar Pabst, in a scientific, non ideological way.

          21. “DNA damaging forms of radiation we have on Earth.” As compared to magically radiation that doesn’t exist on earth?

          22. If you can expose yourself to gamma rays or cosmic rays on Earth, you are a very special person, because we have magnetic and atmospheric “shields”, here.
              Knock yourself out:
              http://www.disa.mil/Mission-Support/Spectrum/About-Us/~/media/Images/DISA/Services/SPECTRUM/speccht.jpg

    2. Marijuana serves no real medical purpose. Everything in Marijuana can be extracted and put into an actual dose. I assure you no real doctor will tell you “oh take one of the pills in this bottle, put it in a pipe and smoke until you feel good.”.

25. Most Americans are not politically correct. They are just afraid of expressing their true feelings because they are afraid of losing their job (for most part). This is like Bystander syndrome. Most Americans are just waiting for the right leader. Look at Trump. Trump is good speaker and why do you think there are a lot of Americans supporting Trump? Trump could be a legit good guy or he can be a bad guy in sheep’s clothing. I really doubt Trump will win the election. Look what happened to JFK. Think about that.
    Most people do not align with liberalism. Most people are just waiting and hoping. But if these people really align their belief and TAKE ACTION, there could be a possible change. Who wants to be the first to step up to the plate?
    You don’t want to see America going behind Asia in terms of education? Why would you want A feminist teaching in College?
    You Americans can change all that. It’s really up to you.
    Question is will you just let this happen or take action?

    1. http://www.jack-donovan.com/axis/2015/11/all-they-have-is-fear/
       He says it best!!

    2. But JFK was elected.

       1. yes and he was also assassinated because he happened to be in crosspath with the Feds. I don’t think there are politicians today who would “risk” that. A lot of people want to “vote” for Trump but I think his talk is just for the stage. My point is I”m sure that man (Trump) is “smart” enough to not end up like JFK. He is a great speaker that arouses American spirit; but the end the man is a businessman (loyal to profit).

          1. I’m aware he was assassinated. I’m not sure how smart Trump is or isn’t. Clearly he’s not stupid, but I don’t take making lots of money as a chief indicator of higher echelons of real intellect. He’s espousing some good ideas, but I also think that, being a businessman with a “I want what I want, and I want it now” attitude like he has, he may be getting tunnel vision. I honestly think he was running on behalf of Hillary, as a spoiler, originally then once it was seen that he actually made real traction, now he sees the actual seat of POTUS within his grasp and is in it to win it, come hell or high water.

          2. “he was also assassinated because he happened to be in crosspath with the Feds.”
             I used to believe that. Then you review the scene of the assassination. The target was under 90 yards moving away from you in a straight line. No. It was the action of a home grown communist with a bolt action rifle.

          3. Yeah, the shot wasn’t some amazing feat of marksmanship. It was good, but it wasn’t superhuman or anything.

          4. That’s because you and I were trained under the same master. It was more than do-able with enough patience and marksmanship knowledge.

26. I disagree on the colonization of space. There is big money in it if the logistics are done correctly. That big money is in mining. The big question though is how to transport all the mining back to Earth in an efficient manner that makes setting up mining operations profitable. I’ve read a few theories on how this could be done and think they are viable. The only real question is anyone going to invest in making one of those theories actually happen.

    1. I think the idea was to use rail guns as “mass launchers” that would launch the mined materials from the lunar surface to “mass catchers” in orbit around the Earth. But I think space colonization will not happen because the elites don’t want fascists or other undesirables conspiring (or even going their own way) in the Oort Cloud.

       1. If they manage to start mining asteroids for materials, then colonization will become inevitable. Even if the mining is 100% automated, there will need at some point in the chain to be human hands and eyes that directly interact with the automated machines. That basically implies either colonization at a close location, or spending umpteen way more money than is economical to launch dudes into space every other day from earth.

27. Perhaps the Japanese or Arab create the artificial uterus. Perhaps the Russians. This can indeed emerge from the East.

    1. I’d list the Japanese as the odds-on favorites for that sort of thing.

    2. The Arabs have not invented anything of value since the Middle Ages. The only reason why some Arab countries have money, and are not shitting in their drinking water like the Afros, is because they have oil.
       “A hundred years ago you were living in tents out here in the desert chopping each other’s heads off and that’s where you’ll be in another hundred years” From the movie Syriana

28. I must say Waldemar..I may not agree with all of your futurist predictions, but your articles do start excellent conversations between ROK readers.
    I look forward to another submission.

29. I rarely care to talk about hollywood movies, but i believe the movie “children of men” (released in 2006) depicts an accurate description of where society is going. I randomly watched the movie last night and its damn scary how close we are as a society to the world shown in the movie. Its been almost 10 years since i had watched the film and last night as i watched the movie it was a mirror image of where we are now with our immigration crisis, police state, government surveillance, technology addiction, and lack of decency.

    1. That was a very, very good movie. And you’re right, it’s almost scary how accurate it’s turned out to be (except the no children thing).

       1. Given the current fertility rate in the West, it’s not that far off.

    2. I was only aware of the movie after reading Mark Steyn’s column.

30. “The litmus test in determining whether a trans-humanist enhancement will be politically viable is this: Will it empower men?”
    Gotta disagree. The litmus test is whether or not it would be profitable.
    I don’t know how much this would empower men. I’ve never meet a man who wanted to be a single father. How many single men adopt kids?
    Besides, feminists could make the claim that artificial wombs would empower women.

    1. I think single men don’t want to adopt children because they want their own (genetic) children. Women tend to just want something to emotionally invest in (puppy, third world baby, etc.)

31. Hmm. I suppose it is true that it would be cheaper to build Rapture than a secret moon base. *evil cackle*

    1. But Rapture leaked like a two bit whore after New Year’s Eve. Build it like a bathtub, I said. But did they listen?

32. Too bad this article is tainted by stupid, degenerate “dude weed lol” nonsense. Goodluck with the schizophrenia and lost paychecks to ambition-destroying drugs.

    1. dude it’s just a plant maaaaan

    2. Marijuana can be dangerous. I think it exaggerates whatever emotions / beliefs you go into using it with. If used sparingly (as a treat or vacation), I think it can be an amazing experience.

       1. All it ever did for me was make me sleepy, waste an entire day watching tv, and eat a lot of junk food. I really don’t get the appeal. I guess it works differently with different brain chemistries.

33. I want to wish an early Happy New Year to you RoKheads. If an emp takes out the grid in the near future, we should use this as our secret “handshake”:
    

    1. Happy New Year right back atcha!

    2. Back at you. Couldn’t we simply have a handshake like the Mason’s?

       1. Nah, this is so so so much doper than a handshake

          1. True. True.

    3. Uhhhhh, no. My knees and hips hurt just watching. Is there a geezer kick step?

34. Alaska has legalized weed, and now crime is exploding in Anchorage. Just because on the face pot doesn’t seem so bad doesn’t mean it’s a good thing.

    1. Really where can I read more about this crime explosion?
       I can tell you that I have seen no increase in crime in WA do to weed legalization.

       1. Yeah I live in WA too and its been rather anticlimatic.

35. Insightful post PB. Just one quibble:
    “Congressional investigators prompting Jim Jones and his Peoples Temple congregation in Guyana to commit mass suicide,”
    Holy hell. Jim Jones was a true believing lefitist douche who did alot of loopy crap and campaign work for the democrat Party. I won’t dig deep, but you can read up at Wiki:
    “Jones was a voracious reader as a child and studied Joseph Stalin, Karl Marx, Mao Zedong, Mahatma Gandhi and Adolf Hitler carefully,,,In 1951, Jones began attending meetings and rallies of the Communist Party USA in Indianapolis.[”
    When he started getting religous to push his shtick and got rejected, he went full Charles Manson.
    “By the early 1970s, Jones began deriding traditional Christianity as “fly away religion”, rejecting the Bible as being a tool to oppress women and non-whites, and denouncing a “Sky God” who was no God at all.”
    Sound like some of the posters here at ROK. The congressman Ryan went down, and was murdered, due to the amount of enquires from family members in the US. Many members wanted to leave and feared for their lives and tipped off their relatives. Do you really think the US Congress give two shits about poor people living in the jungle? For fucks sake.
    Waco was fully avoidable, but the ATF goombas had to roll like the Rambo cunts they are.. .true reflection of Janet Reno’s leadership in the Clinton administration. The sheriffs department could have delivered Koresh without a hassle, but nooooooo….
    I am glad the jury dropped most of the charges against the surviving members and hate the judge who gave them the maximum sentence (10 years) for federal weapons violations. Of which some of the jury members wept because they didn’t know the length of the weapons charge.
    I despise the feds as much as the next liberty loving guy, but you could have picked better examples.

    1. Jim Jones was a paranoid narcissist and a radical Leftist (most in his congregation were poor blacks and Hispanics) for sure but I think he did set out to do what many in the alt-right aspire to do: create an independent community away from mainstream American society. When he felt the US was going to intervene, he flipped out and made everyone drink the Kool Aid, literally.

       1. I cannot speak for the “alt-right”.. whatever that is. I do understand the conservative ideal of that we are individuals enntitled to equal protection under the law and not hampered in our pursuit of our desires without government interference.
          Jim Jones flipped out as he realized he was about to lose control of supreme power over his flock. He made the children drink the rite-aid (not kool-aid) first. Like Hitler in his bunker. He rather everyone die than admit defeat or maybe he was wrong in his (way fucked up) assessments.

          1. Grape flavor-aid. We were both wrong.

       2. And just to add. You are making the US govt. the boogie man. It was Jim Jones and his lackies that made them drink poison. You seem to be missing the trees from the forest with your approach to the topic.

36. I really wish you included the supposed mass automation that is supposed to make capitalism obsolete. That would trigger some lefties for sure.

37. 6. The NWO takeover without them suffering heavy casualties and being exposed to the world, and a neverending resistance fighting back against the technocrats and their gay-socialist power. There is no true strength in the enemy whose entire existence is a deception, there is only more lies. What is false cannot live forever, only strength can endure. No law ever written is as powerful as cold hard steel.

38. I agree with you on all except number 3 and 5. Weed is an excellent way to control people and space colonization will be necessary for resources.

39. any advancement of our future will be dependent on our need to do so. #2 is a fantastic example. The United States went to the moon because of the Space Race with the Soviets and we had to win.
    The only thing we are advancing are the number of steps we take to “do something” such as our Smartphones and the need to have instantaneous news in our grasp.

40. The Columnist who wrote pulled 100% of this from out of his head. None of it was well researched…

    1. Do you understand most of the articles on ROK are opinion pieces…..

       1. Well even most opinion articles have citation and information to back it up.

41. Expansion into space won’t happen because there isn’t anywhere to go. There are so many problems with long term space travel. No one has yet even attempted to conceive a human in space. I’ve read that Earth gravity is essential to proper fetal development.

42. “A $5 joint is more enjoyable and mind-expanding than a $5,000 vacation.”
    What kind of pot are you smoking? Within 5-10 years, pot will be legalized on a federal level. All indicators are pointing that direction.

43. MJ horticulture, most of it illegal, is now consuming more than 1% of US power production, so it doesn’t matter much if it’s legalized.

44. Space colonization isn’t scientifically doable at this point, and would require vast amounts of energy…so no.

45. what you don’t understand is that, in the future with ai and machine able to produce at the stead of humans. the elite will not need peoples anymore.
    and they will probably kill 60% of the humanity to preserve the resources.

46. One thing there will be: wars.

47. I find your reasoning to be sophomoric, and simplistic. For instance, it is enough to argue that a stoned society might be enough justification to limit pot consumption…it might not be a great idea to enable a stoned, zoned out, society for a host of unstated reasons.
    Your economic analysis of space exploration is so far off the mark as to be laughable. Just a single example will suffice…should the technology be developed to mine space a single asteroid may contain more iron than all the iron EVER mined from the crust of the Earth…that’s a lot of money, pal.

    1. How would you get the iron ore back to Earth? Parachutes wouldn’t be enough to slow the payload down enough after entering the atmosphere, so the impact crater would be impressive.

       1. Space elevator…Or we just use the materials in space and don’t bother to bring them to the planet’s surface.

48. Cheap access to space would be possible ,if there was a new renaissance!

49. Your first point is true the left will not take any responsibility – theirs is a blame game,

    1. Sorry I can’t see you’re reply ,please comment again.

50. Recreational drugs are fantastic for the Corporate Matrix, people at home watching TV, playing video games and eating process food.

51. We are already seeing surrogacy being regulated in India where the practice is legally restricted to heterosexual couples (single men and homosexual couples are not allowed to take advantage of the service)
    The legal status of single-parent surrogacy in India looks somewhat murky. There are other countries though where it’s still available and there are even states in the Union where it’s legal.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surrogacy_laws_by_country
    Here’s a url advertising services in Mexico (one country not mentioned in the article). Locales that deny services to certain categories of people risk losing business to competitors. That’s something to keep in mind.
    http://www.surrogacymexico.com/single-men-and-women

52. Much to the disappointment of Star Trek and Firefly fans, there will be no outward expansion into space.
    There is no economic justification for it.
    I dunno, the justifications given here for going into space sure appear to be economic.
    http://www.space.com/30213-asteroid-mining-planetary-resources-2025.html
    Leaving economics aside, my own position is that once it becomes sufficiently inexpensive and safe, it’ll happen.
    It would be more economically feasible by orders of magnitude to colonize the tallest mountain tops, the most arid deserts, and even the ocean floor here on Earth
    I’m pretty sure that will be done too. Advanced technology will make it feasible to live in formerly inhospitable areas. In fact it’s already doing so. Much of the economic growth in the old South is due to the presence of air conditioning.
    than to colonize the Moon or Mars.
    I seriously doubt that expansion into space will start with lunar or Mars colonies. It would be better to construct spinnable colonies or hollow out asteroids.
    Moreover, cheap access to space would mean loss of control by the global elite
    The ‘elite’ will just have to deal with loss of control due to technological advances and new discoveries – it doesn’t have the means to stop it and it never will.

53. Looks like one thing will be happening: Chrislam
    https://chrislamblog.wordpress.com/2016/01/03/toward-an-chrislamic-america/

    1. I don’t know how you could get Christ and Mohammed into the same room. Though the modern big box churches could probably tweak their sermons that amount to little more than behavior policing and ‘obey the state’ to get to heaven programming. Congregations in the big ‘heal me’ churches are sickly tripe eating souls on perscription mind bending psychotropics. They couldn’t pick Christ out in a line up. They wouldn’t know Christ if he bit them. It would be easy to switch the cartoons in the youth group and flavor the sermons to have more halal wedged in between the bacon, and the congregation with their arms in the air wouldn’t know the difference.

54. ”Consequently, even when confronted with a demographic winter and an entire generation of autistic and aspie children borne of career women whose bodies are incapable of yielding healthy children, do not expect the left to admit that pushing women into the workforce and delaying motherhood was anything other than a good thing.”
    °°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°
    **** ”demographic winter” ****
    **** ”aspie children born of career women whose bodies are incapable of yielding healthy children” ****
    °°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°°
    You do an excellent job of putting the ‘big picture’ into words Mr Pabst.

55. Interesting post. I agree with 4 out of 5 in your list. The amount of energy available per person has a direct correlation to a persons quality of life(QOL), which can be seen by comparing QOL of energy poor to energy rich nation states such as US and Somalia. If having more energy available equals better life then by extrapolation, there WILL come a day when someone or some nation goes off planet in order to get more energy(Maybe Elon Musk or Sir Richard Branson). Granted, it may not occur for 800 years, but I personally think we will witness this in our lifetime. If they discovered “unobtainium” on the moon we would have commercial mining operations within a decade.

56. Great post! On space colonization, I must partially disagree. I agree that without monetary motivation it will never happen, but we have that today. We will leave the earth not for places for people to live but for energy. NASA missions in the past have cost $10,000/lb. to get anything from the surface into orbit. Last month, Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos successfully launched and landed a rocket. These types of technologies reduce the cost of getting from the surface to orbit by 2 orders of magnitude. What used to cost $10,000/lb. will soon cost $100/lb. This will bring space exploration within the financial means of more people, companies and governments. Why is that important you ask? The amount of energy available per person has a direct correlation to a persons quality of life(QOL), which can be seen by comparing QOL of energy poor to energy rich States. Today rich nations have as much energy available as you are willing to pay for. If having more and cheaper energy available equals better life then by extrapolation, there WILL come a day when someone or some nation goes off planet(because all the known viable energy sources on earth will be claimed, spent or are cost restrictive) in order to get more energy or resources to produce more energy. I know it sounds like I’m writing the script for Avatar, but honestly I believe they got that part right, not so much the rest of it. If they discovered “unobtainium” on the moon we would have commercial mining operations within a decade.

57. Goo

58. Good article , lets add in #6 virtual reality sex. As the author stated in the article, if it is something that makes men less dependent on women, then it will be socially unacceptable or outright banned. I really dont see how vr sex can replace real sex, but the mere potential threat means it gets banned.

59. Well, except for (3) those are very safe predictions. It is far cheaper and more practical to create your next civilization in Antarctica than on any non-Earth body in the solar system, and yet no space enthusiast thinks that building cities and establishing farms in Antarctica is a good idea. The unending trend towards more hedonism leads me to believe that widespread legalization of recreational marijuana is inevitable.

60. I slightly disagree with number 5. I have been reading a series of books, first one is called A Desert Called Peace by Tom Kratman. The book takes many swipes at the liberal left but most importantly how they eventually took over earth, they exported the undesirables off world to colonize another. They utilized the American dream and American exploration to fracture the country. Very interesting read and I believe plausible.

61. California legalized recreational weed just a few months ago, so I dunno what you’re smoking. Also, lol space colonization will be controlled by the system because? Wouldn’t thse same elites not care because all the dissidents are leaving?

62. If China was so bad at industrialization …… how come they now make all your stuff? Looks like the Chairman was a success to me!

63. California legalized for recreational use Nov. 8th. 2012.

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