No discussion of contemporary geopolitical problems seems complete without mentioning the great white east. And indeed, no discussion about Russia seems complete without mentioning Vladimir Putin. Since the end of the years of excessive plundering by the post-Soviet Yeltsin regime, a former obscure KGB agent who rose in the political ranks like a star, has held direct or indirect control over the largest nation on earth.
Putin has done this by rotating his position of presidency with that of his devoted underling, Dmitri Medvedev. He was first elected to the highest office in 2000, and won re-election in 2004. After a stint as prime minister, he was re-elected president again in 2012. Due to a constitutional change, the next Russian elections will take place in 2018, and if victorious once more, Putin will have served the longest term as Russian head of state besides Stalin… that is, since the end of the Russian monarchy in 1917.
It’s no secret of course that the West despises Putin, but not for the reasons you might think. While much has been made of his former KGB status, his statements on the collapse of the Soviet Union, and appreciation of Communist geopolitical history, Vladimir Putin is probably as far away from a red as we’re likely to see, short of actually wearing the crown that Lenin’s revolutionary squads trampled in the early part of the last century.
The Cold War is long over, and few people fear the fading remnants of its losing side, from the blacked out wreck that is North Korea to Bulgarian chain-smokers in their eighties, waxing poetic about the glory of the “internationale.”
What the West does fear is real leadership, the kind that can somehow bypass the degenerative internal divisions of democracy, and put a population of almost 144 million at least somewhat behind their “sovereign.” According to the West, the only leaders the world needs are the nameless masters of international, globalist order. Nations and old conceptions of empire are relics of the past. We are one world now, and the liberal left is to lead that world out of its dark history. This is why real leaders terrify the Western elites.
More than a politician
Vladimir Putin hasn’t presented himself as a politician at all. Politicians don’t pose with tranquilized tigers, or descend to shipwrecks in submersibles like Bond villains. Politicians don’t have entire youth organizations devoted to them, with merchandise bearing their faces on street corners, made by the vendors’ own free will in response to real demand.
Increasingly, Putin has been presented under the ambiguous title of “leader,” and that is an accurate description. For all the chittering about oppression, propaganda, and a “motivated opposition,” the fact is that Russia doesn’t see any more of this kind of thing than many Western countries do, and certainly on a minuscule scale compared to unpopular dictatorships. Putin has more in common with the Sultan of Brunei than he does with Bashar Al Assad.
Under his leadership, Russia has reconquered a section of land that is extremely historically significant to the nation, namely Crimea, and has re-asserted itself on the global stage as a world power rather than a fading empire in the mold of the United Kingdom. Whether it is in Syria or Eastern Europe, he continually outfoxes his rivals, and comes off looking better for it in the eyes of neutral nations who have never been fully content with the status quo pecking order. He excels in making liberal presidents and prime ministers look weak and effeminate.
There is a certain magnetism to male leadership which can foster an undying loyalty, and it is this kind of male leadership which is rendered impossible via customary democratic procedure. One could in fact argue that democracy itself is a feminine procedure, and so it is no surprise that Putin and his ideological brethren have been steadily dismantling it.
While it is unlikely that Putin will ever don the regal title of monarch, he is currently laying the groundwork for such formal autocratic rule in Russia. This process is only encouraged by the increasing effeminacy and weakness of the decaying Western world. What sane leader wouldn’t take advantage of such a thing? You can bet the Chinese leaders have similar designs to exploit the weakness of the current global elite, though likely through sneaky plundering of third world countries.
If Putin is the new face of the familiar “anti-West” or “anti-Atlanticist” powers, then it should be noted during his tenure that this bloc has succeeded where previously it was in shambles. Credit this to masculine vs. feminine principles, or just smart geopolitics as you will.
The return of Ilyin
Ivan Ilyin (1883 – 1954)
Ivan Ilyin, a dissident scholar banished from Russia after the Bolshevik Revolution, was no fan of democratic processes:
Every citizen is secured the right to crooked and deceptive political paths, to disloyal and treasonous designs, to the sale of his vote, to base motives for voting, to underground plots, unseen treachery and secret dual citizenship- to all those crudities which are so profitable to men and so often tempt them.
Ilyin’s body of work is highly popular within the Kremlin, as is the work of Eurasianist ideologue and prominent geopolitical critic Aleksandr Dugin, who borrows from the familiar Traditionalist school of René Guénon and Julius Evola. Though it is fair to say that oligarchic exploitation and opportunism are still the order of the day in Russia, there is a stirring current beneath the surface, an ideology to counter the West’s “liberal enlightenment values.”
When Russians speak of the glory of the Soviet Union, they are really speaking of the glory of the Russian Empire, the Third Rome. Whereas previously most governmental focus was on keeping the economy stable and tackling internal terrorism, now there are programs to combat low Russian birthrates, designs on foreign conquest and alliance, a build-up of military forces, and the liquidation of Russia’s “liberal” left who have been denounced by Dugin as a “fifth column.”
The philosopher who makes Glenn Beck cry
Because of the well-executed lobbying of those who want Russia to become a reactionary world power, laws have been passed against non-traditional sexual propaganda (infuriating the West), abortion rates may be cut in half by tough new measures on clinics, and the Russian Orthodox Church has gained back the regalia of a state institution even if not yet its old judicial power.
These changes are not oligarchic in their origin and in fact they often conflict with entrenched financial interests. Instead, they are imperial, royalist, and aristocratic. They are the resurgence of the values which animated the Black Hundreds, the last tsar’s fanatical and violent loyalists.
Of course, Putin’s co-operation with this ideological current has brought him problems which the Yeltsin presidency never faced. He has fallen afoul of America’s toughest president, Barack Obama (note the sarcasm), and the Eurocrats, yet still he persists, not like a politician but like a king. Why? Because he can. Slowly, the advantages brought through economic and technological progress are being broken upon the rocks of an inevitable cultural Darwinism, and when this occurs, the trajectory of a state’s values becomes far more important than its GDP. Strong cultures survive. Weak ones die.
Vladimir Putin has not asked for the loyalty of Russians in his venture to ensure their survival, he has seized their loyalty. The people of Russia, those present in the Priobskoye oil fields and the streets of St. Petersburg where he was once first deputy mayor, those who sleep in the earth the victims of war, famine, and revolution, and those yet to be born: they are with him, for although he is far from the tsar they hope for, he is the masculine leader who points them back to the three principles which have grounded Russia for almost all of her history. No amount of communist brainwashing could sever them from these: Orthodoxy, Autocracy, and Nationality.
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America needs it’s own Putin.
America needs to sink.
America is a retarded country. We need Russia as the new boss.
Any American men of value should emigrate to Russia.
I would if there was a hot Russian wife waiting for me. 😉
“I would if there was a hot Russian wife waiting for me. ;)”
I second that.
If I don’t go Colombian. I’m going Russian. I want a real woman as a future wife and mother of my future children not a feminist shemale.
A couple of suggestions for the Russian (I’ve a relationship with an Orthodox woman from Sumy [~20 miles from the Russian border on the Ukrainian side], which is ‘almost’ the same thing)
1) Bring or develop A+ (preferably S rank) masculinity because she will ‘fitness test’ you (especially if she is religious).
2) Make it clear from the beginning to her that you may not live in W. Civilization (it helps sift out the green card diggers). Keep her as far from W. Civilization as possible.
choose wisely. if you end up with a good russian wife, you’ll be a very happy man. however, most russian women make better girlfriends than wives, in my experience.
also, start studying russian now. i recommend pimsleur to start.
i strongly agree with item 2. i’ve often thought i might still be married to my russian ex if we’d stayed over there.
I need to start studying!!!
pimsleur is a three-month course, so i started that exactly three months before going over to the ex-USSR for the first time. you have to do it for an hour a day, no skipping days, but if you do that, you should be able to communicate on a basic level in russian the day you arrive (i was). after arriving, i committed to at least two hours of studying russian a day, more if i had time. took about a year of very hard work to get conversational, but it was well worth it, and not just for the dyevushki (although it definitely helps with that). main thing is to push yourself and not give up, even though you’ll probably have times when you feel like you’re making little or no progress for months at a time.
I heard before Russian girls “test” men big time. Any sign of weakness and you are done because they want a real man that will lead. Also, I heard about the scams, too many western men not using common sense because the place is loaded with beautiful women and they are not used to dealing with such high physical standards of beauty.
I going to order this weekend.
lol can you explain the ranking thing ?
how much Russian were you exposed to before you started learning?
A ‘real woman’ requires a ‘real man’.
For all the high standard-of-living that is in the United States and the Western World (financed and due to a large part, I suspect, by debt), Eastern culture requires and challenges me to be a better man. And I like that.
In the US, I feel I have to lock some part of me in a cage that can at least allowed to roam on a leash outside the US. And I don’t like that.
Maybe I’m looking through rose-colored glasses, or seeing the ‘other grass as greener’ (for there is a difference between VISITING a country and LIVING in that country), but each time I’ve come back to the US, a little voice whispers in my ear something to the effect of “Crap, I’m come home” and “Welcome back to Hell”.
…and if don’t mind a woman who hits the wall hard at 30
no worse than other women, from what i’ve seen. have you seen american women after 30? or even before for that matter.
with russian/ukrainian women, you have to remember that they care almost exclusively about money, status, and power. you probably have two of the three when you’re over there (especially if you stay out of the capital and other big cities) but unless you’ve really made something of yourself, your money and status decline significantly once you take her back to the US. add in her (probably) superior looks and femininity when compared to the domestic product, and you’ll have quite a struggle to hold on to her in north america.
almost none, but i had studied german and latin, which helped tremendously, because many of the grammatical concepts are similar.
awesome. just remember to stick with it and do it every day. it says in the instructions that it will not work if you skip days, and from what i’ve seen that’s true. a lot of my american colleagues would go on about how “pimsleur sucks” but when i’d press them, they’d admit that they skipped days. those guys’ russian definitely sucked. i didn’t skip days, and i was able to communicate with ukrainians in russian on day one in ukraine.
Yeah, dude , Russian girls are what u call хитрые/crafty. Many are manipulative and materialistic like anywhere else but more so than the west, however very feminine and want to get married. It is best to meet them in Russia through a friend or connection. Divorce is super common, so a real religious one would be better. You probably shouldn’t take her out of the country til u really know her. They are hypergamous, u need a reAl dominant frame and money to keep them. Living in Russia isnt the greatest. Finding a good paying job outside of Tier one cities is not easy. Being a teacher is a good start but their pay is not great and the staff can screw you. If u work there through a company and u gonna stay awhile, have them get u a work visa not a business visa and have them register as soon as possible. Don’t wait and only give people copies of ur passport unless it is related to visa.
Dude the best way to learn is just to go there and apply for a student visa and study Russian there. Good to have some basics though.
Dude, if European or Latina girls don’t take care of themselves yeah they hit the wall around then. There are some good looking Russians in their 30s but a lot of them were well off like elsewhere. A lot of American girls look like shit starting 25-28 lol . however Asians stay decent looking til their 40-50s
Good luck with her post 25. They get chucked into the wall by Sasquatch when they’re 24 years old. I wish it weren’t true.
If not earlier.
I’m with you. I’m longterm expat and I like coming home for a month or two until the slovenliness and obesity overwhelms.
The ‘high standard of living’ has several asterisks, imo. Yeah, if you get smashed up in an accident, you want to be in the US, not China. Clean food, etc. all US there. But what about free time? If you’re a white male, you usually have a 45 year sentence of high level, dry work. That factors into ‘quality of life’ too…how much free time/mobility. There is such an absence of free time/mobility in the US that it’s not even on the table for discussion. I’m a guy who doesn’t mistake a house the size of a ski-lodge and 3 cars as ‘quality of life’. You can only sit reading in one chair or driving one car at a time. I don’t need a house in which I can set up obstacle courses or something. It just means more housework to me. And how many post 30 males in the US have access to bikini-worthy females? 4%? That factors in also. When ‘sex’ starts to mean getting an eyeful of the teenager next door sunbathing while you cut the grass so you can whack it later in the shower while your whale pounds on the door because she needs to take her fifth dump of the day…man. Low quality there. The hugeness of the yard doesn’t compensate. Just more mowing. Find your own quality of life, don’t let others define it.
Russian chicks dig money and power even more than western women.
I agree with you. Whenever I am in Latin America, I feel like man roaming free. The US has a lot of nice consumer goods but I feel like I am on a leash with an electric shock collar when I come back to the US. I think this is one of the reasons why some foreign men that have lived in the US and moved back to their homeland or some other country , do not want to comeback to the US, even if a violent civil war is breaking out in their country. You do not have to apologize for being born with a penis once you leave the English speaking world.
LOL!
The American dream..nightmare.
I heard many times before that Ukrainian girls can be little devious but when Russian girls are evil they take it to a heinous level that is extreme.
American women more like 20 to 22…being an obese drunk has never done a body good.
Agreed, except for clean food you are actually better off in Russia. They have no GMOs, less toxic pesticides, and blue skies.
Well. I have met a few Ukrainian and Russian girls in the US that are in the 22 to 28 range and they still look great. Way better than the so called hot American chicks. I have met a few that have definitely hit the wall.
I remember seeing a young Anna Kournikova look alike at the mall one time, she was Russian (speaking Russian with her younger sister) and probably in her mid-teens 15/16. It was hilarious because every male (young, middle-aged, and old) stopped and just stared at her as she walked by and the women they were with were dead silent.
Mate, what country you live in abroad the most time? Just curious
До сих пор разговариваешь?
да, ещё нормально разговариваю для американца…жена у меня испаноговорящая, так что намного большее пользуюсь
испанском языком чем русскиом теперь.
Молодец, у меня тоже подруга из Латинской Америки. Так что практикую испанский с ней.
Mostly Asia. Teaching.
“most women make better girlfriends than wives, in my experience.”
Fixed it for ya.
cute, but you’re obscuring the specific point i wanted to make about FSU girls compared to western women. i’ll elaborate for the sake of the young guys on here who might end up in the FSU and make the same mistake i did by marrying and taking her back to north america.
in my experience, most western women don’t even make good girlfriends, unless you enjoy constant “working on the relationship” with a woman who prioritizes her feminist principals over making you happy. not true with your average FSU girl. with the russian-speaking girlfriends i’ve had, their focus was on making me happy. i’d come home from work to a spotless apartment and a tasty home-cooked meal, that kind of thing. they were feminine, sweet, dressed great, and loved sex. roosh’s experience living with his ukrainka in odessa was pretty similar to mine with the girls i was with over there.
you have to realize though that russian and ukrainian girls care primarily about money, status, and power. as a westerner in a second- or third-tier FSU city you probably have the first two. however, as a younger guy, once you take her back to the US or canada, the tables turn. you (probably) no longer have especially impressive levels of money or status. on the other hand, whereas she was just one of the thousands of beautiful, feminine girls walking around smolensk or tolyatti or cherkassy, or wherever she’s from, now she’s an exotic, hyperfeminine woman in the land of pudgy, feminist, tattooed burrito women. so you’re probably going to have a hard time holding on to her.
American meaning White, maybe Latin or Asian. If you are Black, you will just be killed by skinheads. Blacks should go to Africa, if they feel that it is worth surviving and want to settle down with Black women.
I beg to differ. The most dangerous region for Black man is … Africa.
Black hate each other and would kill you for any reason.
Contrary to ordinary belief, Russians are not racist. They wouldn’t take shit from ethnic minorities as Westerners do but they won’t kill you for some tribal bullshit.
I beg to differ. I have read far too many stories of Blacks getting beaten and killed by Russians.
Stop reading. Start learning the language and travelling.
Well, I’m only interested in Chinese, Taiwanese, Japanese, and Korean women under 130 pounds. I have no interest in Russian women, and absolutely no interest in living in a place where I am not attracted to most of the women, or a life of celibacy.
Glad to hear it. I have a few friends like you. If the woman is not a super feminine petite east or southeast Asian…forget about it! They are very pretty but just not my type. I prefer Russian, Colombian, or Brazilian types that are young and thin.
I see your point. I hope you will find your Asian beauty.
I desire multiple.
If you go to russia and act like a dumb urban thug i bet you will get your ass beat. Respect the culture and integrate and I’m sure its not as bad as you think.
Don’t wait for it to sink because they might close the borders and not let Americans leave. Escape with your money and gold as soon as possible to Russia, Asia, or Latin America!
You need to put your riches in Switzerland and then flee to these countries.
I like Russia but I wouldn’t trust these guys with my gold.
The Swiss have sold out. Better stick to the Germans, Austrians, and SE Asians.
Switzerland is outside the EU and when the US are out they will get back to their old habit of total neutrality.
In long term American men wont be happy in Russia just because it is not that comfortable place to live for the Westerners. American men should man up and reverse the tide in the States.
Are men supposed to break into homes and knock the Haagen Dazs out of women’s hands? No amount of Alph-ing can reverse the obesity.
“Man up,” he says….Lord
America doesn’t HAVE a problem. America IS the problem. Since the end of WWII, it has been infecting the whole world with liberal ideas.
We need Russia to take over as the new world leader. We will probably have less scientific and economic progress but at least we will get back to a healthier and more masculine world.
LOL!
Trump would be like Putin
Trump is merely a businessman. A highly successful one, but I doubt he cares much about anything past his purse (or jollies).
I’d rather have a businessman like Trump in the White House than some anti-white open borders socialist.
America’s business is, and always has been, business. America should elect nothing other than businessmen for its leadership.
It’s not racist nor xenophobic, most countries immigration services (except the west) enforce the written (or unwritten) law. Foreigners that do not contribute, spend cash, or import much needed resources and behave like parasites are shown the door.
America has one of the most aggressive immigration systems in the modern world. Heck, you need advance permission to even *visit* here if you are from many countries.
Unless you can get in illegally. Pretty easy to do from the southern border
Trump makes money through business acumen and true bravery.
Putin makes money at the point of a gun.
Take away the guns…and the beta males (like the ones on this website) who worship him because he is soooo alpha…and he is nothing.
Putin couldn’t manage a Wal-Mart.
No, he’s merely a sane, white male. That’s why there is a such a contrast between him and the rest of these weirdos. Simple, adult rationality is what he brings and it seems weird because we’re so accustomed to leftist insanity. Clock boy, rape culture, an illegal US gov’t orchestrated Latin invasion to farm votes, anti-Israel, bringing that deserter to the white house with his dad, “Ed the Muslim” or whatever, a fat cow (Michelle) telling people how to eat, females in the Rangers…all insane
Of course you are referring to the current resident.
I just hope they have enough wisdom to not let WW3 start as a result of their enormous egos.
I have this mental image of Trump and Putin having a meeting with cigars, alcohol, and Miss Universe/USA/Russia contestant comparisons in between matters of state, but that’s just me.
The ideal fantasy… for us…
But I wont be surprised if these two mega-alphas can’t resist the urge to compete.
What could be more intoxicating than to play chess with the entire world?
Yeah. Two white boys. I think they’d simply like each other (both sane) and possibly usher in a GREAT era. If the big 3; China, US and Russia would all agree to chill on military spending and agree on things, that would free up trillions of dollars worldwide to leave in the private sector…life improves greatly.
Yeah, it could go that way too. But Hillary is the next president anyway. Go check the Vegas betting line on the election. They have no bias and only want money. You can’t get any kind of true read in the MSM, which are only campaign arms at this point. Hillary is a huge favorite even now during her hearings. Imagine once the hearings/servers all blow over. The Trumpening is just glorified, mass click-bait. Prepare wisely.
I agree. You saying that it makes me want to go to Vegas and bet on Hillary, so at least something good comes out of it for me
I had the same thought. To be clear, it’s not my prediction. I’m simply relaying the Vegas odds. I trust the Vegas bookmakers LOOONNNGGG before I trust the jousting, partisan media (right or left). There’s no comparison. The bookmakers just want to make money. Pure capitalists.
Nah, Putin is still a class apart compared to Trump, Putin is by far not as pompous, raised by the KGB after all…
America will never have a straight white male for president again. Ever.
What we need is a real-life Frank Underwood.
Epic comment. hate the HoC narrative tho, it’s feminist, they portray a man with real leader traits and make him play a murderer and have this “saintly” woman opposing him to wax the masses and pre-antagonize to any real leaders standing up in the west.
Eer … Frank Underwood is bisexual. Do we really need even more pro-LGBT bullshit?
America needs Bill the Butcher to run it.
There was, but some cock-hungry feminist aborted him.
The fact is, the American-style democracy was designed to be employed by a predominantly Protestant Christian people, It is wholly unsuited for any people that does not share that social and moral code.
The circle turns once more, and democracy is replaced again. In some places, it is replaced by dictators and tyrants. In the West, it tends to be replaced by a strange blend of mob-rule and oligarchy, where certain small factions guide the mob.
Fortunately for Russia, their democracy is slated to be replaced by a monarchy. That’s a step up, if Aristotle is to be believed.
The Greeks had it all figured out.
“Dictatorship naturally
arises out of democracy, and the most aggravated form of tyranny and
slavery out of the most extreme liberty.”
Plato, Rep.
Yeah the philosopher king, the final form.
I don’t buy the philosopher king. People need to be able to think for and govern themselves. Do you really want to alienate your liberty to an enlightened despot?
The idea was to encourage many (not all) to become philosopher kings. Have lots of enlightened ones instead of the current system of unknown 1% elitists.
I’ve heard it described as a class theory: three classes – philosopher kings, soldiers and workers. But those classes won’t be equal. The point is about wisdom and fitness to govern, which is kind of the problem we have with the elitists today – not just the 1% but academicians, managerialism etc. I’ve always like Plato, but I’m coming to think that Popper was right in thinking there is a totalitarian streak in plato.
But think about it–people are not equal. Feminists try to say that men and women are equal but biology and logic clearly disprove that. To me, it would be absurd to force the 3 classes to be equal, when they naturally are not.
As a thought experiment, imagine a world run by AI. Would they assign the most qualified into the tasks best suited for those people/beings, or would they set up an equal system where all the people/beings voted on a hierarchy by popular appeal and different groups were arbitrarily given equal power?
people are not equal in situation, talents or potential. I doubt anyone even leftists believe they are. But democracy only requires equality with respect to the law, justice and rights of citizenship including the right to vote. Of course any exercise of such a right by a mass of ignoramuses may be fraught with dangers, but there’s nothing to say there can’t be safeguards built into such a system – one of which obviously is education, and potentially instilling cultural values – including respect for expertise, achievement, leadership etc. The problem for me is that we are in a position of despairing of democracy because of the bad things it has achieved (feminism, socialism, welfare, immigration) when none of those things (maybe welfare?) are necessarily a result of democracy. The problem in other words is that we are told we live in a democracy but in fact we already are governed by those who deem themselves philosopher kings (with or without plato’s blessing). The crisis in the present moment is partly on account of the fact that we sense this (the internet helps here perhaps) and we warm to Putin because he appears to buck that trend of hypocrisy. Having said that Putin’s election results may well be fixed but does anyone really doubt that he would win the popular vote in a genuinely democratic election. I say lets fix democracy and constrain the elites who are manipulating us
Hummm.. Michaelmobius1 What you are saying only apply itself to about 20% of population… Don’t believe me ??Just look at watchers of MTV & the Big Bowl fan, Kardatrash fan, Miley Cyrus, Madonna fans . You want those people to decide your life & government ???
Marcus Aurelius?
That is what Plato said. Meritocracy would be better where everyone is educated and people get a chance to test themselves.
“But democracy only requires equality with respect to the law, justice and rights of citizenship including the right to vote.”
They are all the result of extending the right to vote to non-stakeholders. As you know all of it is being subverted by elites and leftists who game the system. I fear the only workable fix will soon be surrender or civil war.
Saying we are currently governed by philosopher kings is a gross misunderstanding of what Plato meant. Plato was troubled by the quality of leadership in his time, much as he would be today, and felt that the solution was “philosophers [must] become kings…or those now called kings [must]…genuinely and adequately philosophize.” By no means does that represent the state of modern democracy.
The rule of philosopher kings was supposed to represent the triumph of knowledge over power. Democracy has given us the exact opposite. Further, Plato warned against the problems liberty, equality, and democracy would bring, so these ideals stand in opposition to Plato’s goals. The solution was that through wisdom, the philosopher kings would specialize, (ie instead of some Monsanto executive being appointed head of the FDA, someone who would specialize in the knowledge and education of nutrition would aspire to lead in this area.)
Plato defines democracy as rule of the demos, the unfit, and specifically details how the common man is blind as he has “no true knowledge of reality, and no clear standard of perfection in their mind to which they can turn”.
If one believes the underlying tenants of Plato’s works, the only way democracy could possibly work is with a well educated and informed populace. Does any nation truly have this today? I would say democracy is a theory at best, the way communism is. It could potentially work, but we have not yet figured out how. If either democracy or communism worked, they would both be efficient and beneficial systems.
Upon first glance, one of the most apparent drawbacks of a benevolent monarchy like Plato described is that the desires or goals of the wise philosopher kings could be at odds against that of the majority. But how often is the best solution the most popular one? Indeed, basic logic teaches us that argumentum ad populum is fallacious reasoning. I see it as the best system we have yet devised.
The philosopher king is an impossibility.
Here’s why.
A true philosopher king is someone who rules but DOES NOT want to.
So the philosopher king must be made (by someone not a philosopher king) to run things.
problem: If I have the power to make those that don’t want to run things run things anyway then what’s to stop me from just using that power to rule for myself?
Another problem is that acquiring and holding on to power consumes personal time/resources.
If ruler A spends some fraction of his time/resources serving the people and the rest acquiring and holding position while ruler B spends ALL his time/resources acquiring and holding position then ruler B will win over ruler A.
So you see that there is a kind of natural selection that breeds for selfishness and corruption in leaders.
These are at least two reasons why utopia is impossible.
Any time a society becomesajority well educated it stops breeding and invited in hordes of peasants. As was the situation in Greece.1/3 slave population how do you think Plato had time to sit around and write and think in a non technological age.That society model destroys itself.
It would be easier to buy Plato’s idea of a philosopher king if, when he suggested it, we wasn’t coughing, grabbing his collar and pointing at himself the whole time
I’m not saying we’re currently governed by philosopher kings, but that there are parallels between the way we are governed in the present including by elites directly influenced by plato-pushing philosophers like the proto neo-con Leo Strauss and Plato’s idea of being ruled by ‘the wise’: in other words many of the people and groups that rule us – certainly not most of the rich but many of the great and the good – see themselves as knowing better than the common people and indeed sometimes one might be inclined to agree. There are some very talented people at the top who are pretty sure they know better than everybody else – and that is one reason – rather anything necessarily more machiavellian – why they meet in closed councils such as the bilderberg groups etc, not to mention the myriad billionaire funded think-tanks and policy institutes that often make the real decisions in politics quite outside of any democratic facade. In other words if the world is screwed up today, it could be seen as a result of too little democracy rather too much; as a result of something too close to plato’s republic rather than too far away.
What would Plato have made of this? Of course he would probably have concluded that we are governed by those who are anything but wise and just – just as Socrates did when he went round insulting the powerful men of his day. But in many ways we are ruled by people who have been educated precisely so they can rule, have been to the right institutions, learned the right skills and technologies. It’s not my point to try and make too much off this: its a hybrid system – technocratic / bureacratic control by elites and ‘experts’ combined with elements of democracy (mostly but not necessarily sham) and bound by elements that are distinctly un-platonic – the acquisitive side of corporate capitalism. But equally while consumerism and commodification is the order of the day there are highly communistic elements as well strangely enough often at the very highest levels, just as with Plato.
The best thing about Plato in my opinion was always the allegory of the cave: people are often deceived by the illusion of reality around them. Education – of a very specific type – distinct from the technocratic and distinct from ideology / indoctrination – is the only thing capable of lifting people out of this realm of shadow, but if you think about it is its the elites, the shadow elites, thinking they are wise, and thinking they know what the ordinary people should think for their best interests, who have created this realm of the illusory. In practice philosopher kings don’t seem to lead people out of the cave into the light, and indeed in the Republic it isn’t even clear whether this is something worth trying.
there is a problem at present with non-stakeholders having the vote, but perhaps the solution isn’t to take away their vote, but to ensure they meet the conditions of being stakeholders before they can vote: that doesn’t have to relate to property ownership, employment but could relate to basic standards of education and demonstrations of responsibility or some such. The specifics aren’t the point which is simply that we haven’t exhausted all possibilities
Education is obviously clear. But Plato does seem to have believed the demos was limited, and was better off knowing its place to some extent
Someone like Marcus Aurelius would probably have been familiar with the Republic. But didn’t his son prove himself to be a little less like a philosopher king, if Gladiator is correct?
lol – yes common denominators tend to be very common indeed. They need to know their views count, even the stupid ones though
If he was a far right winger who was moral and would return the nation back to the Constitution (like Maximus Decimus), yes.
unfortunately the non-fictional reality was Commodus. Which begs the question, should we blame the parents?
So as a good, caring, loving,concerned, easily offended doogooder. You would like the “respected” moron to decide your lifestyle ???
LOL ! Mazel Tov to you !
I think–as a nation–we constantly blame everyone but ourselves.
collectively, we all need to take part in our responsibility–especially apathy.
(I think I just used the Maximus as a for eg 😉 )
Tell ya what though… I would love nothing better than to see fem- b’tches put back in their places.
I would even pay the price myself to see that.
if you remove someone’s vote you would be violating your own traditions, not to mention the best guarantee that your own rights won’t themselves be lost. Since right now it is men whose rights are most in jeopardy moving to anti-democratic platform is the best way to speed up your own extinction. Mazel Tov to you too
yes, it is responsibility that matters. A culture that actually fosters and requires responsibility of its citizens would be the inverse of what we have now. Incentivising / rewarding taking responsibility would pull the rug from under the victim / dependency culture and its clientele
A distinction must be made between elitism and talent.
I agree with the sentiment expressed here that the rulers of today see themselves as superior elites, but this is not at all what Plato meant. I’m fairly certain that all leaders or rulers throughout history have viewed themselves as superior, great, powerful, wise, and exceptional people. That doesn’t make them so. Wouldn’t you expect the bad rulers of Plato’s time to have similar attitudes to American politicians? Just because one believes himself to be a wise leader (philosopher king) does not make it so.
I don’t agree that the leaders of today have been educated precisely so they can rule. Yes, they all attended elitist schools, but compared to the age of kings when a child regent would be raised for years under special tutelage and instruction, travel throughout the world, visit all corners of his kingdom and be exposed to the people, in order to prepare for him to be a wise and thoughtful ruler, some lawyer who went to Harvard or Yale and has a bunch of rich buddies who don’t have to work for a living is not “educated precisely so he can rule.”
Elitism does not spring from talent, wisdom, or knowledge. Elitism has existed throughout power structures in history. Elitism is what Plato was *attacking*.
The following quote is implemented in our “free” “democracies”
It
is enough that the people know there was an election. The people who
cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide
everything.
Joseph Stalin
Clean your glasses , observe & think… Don’t leave the thinking to your government…
BTW I live in a so called democracy & I vote.
When I vote it remind me of the Turkey voting for Christmas.
The Turkey has the choice of stuffing. Chestnut stuffing or Cranberry stuffing.. But the result is a stuffed Turkey…
Ohh & I don’t consider myself a “free” man.. Where I live the people are disarmed with the exception of criminal gangs & police… So I considers myself a slave to the government, but of course I vote !!
Note. 40 years ago people could buy a gun & the police was armed only with a baton……..
Then when I asked someone, could I do this ?? The answer was always: Go ahead ! It’s a free country !
Didn’t hear that expression for the last 30 years or so…
So you see michaelmoebius1 we do as, slave here need lots of Mazel Tov…………
No one is more enslaved than a slave who doesn’t think they’re enslaved. .
I’m not in disagreement with a lot of that. I actually have quite mixed feelings about Plato – I like most of what he says except his ideas of how to run an ideal society. That’s partly because I don’t believe in utopianism. Plato was writing at a time before the utopian experiments of the modern world had been tried, and of course writing from a point of view which is almost the opposite of our own: he was looking back rather than forwards, whereas we are (typically) schooled to think in terms of progress. Reactionary thought is the exception to that I guess – but there’s a confusion here: the idea of some kind of a society run on a scientific (i.e. wise) basis by experts fit and educated to govern the world is actually something that arose after the enlightenment and which is most closely associated with the idea of progress – consider Saint Simon for instance. I would say that something like Plato’s idea of the philospher kings / guardians has been on the agenda since at least then, but competing with the idea of / and constraining the idea of democracy. To my mind its one of the most dangerous ideas around, and one which is perfectly compatible with say both communism and fascism (which was Popper’s point). I’m not saying Plato wanted that: there’s a question as to how much Plato thought of his utopia as a blueprint for an actual ideal government or whether it was a thought experiment designed to look at what sort of education / government would be ideal – I would prefer to think of it as the latter. Its worth noting that some of his students became tyrants: the real world destiny of those trained to become philosopher kings by the master himself. We both agree elites need to be constrained, but I believe so do experts, and wise men who know best. Yes, its true that many of our elites are corrupt and self-serving, but many of them are also highly idealistic and visionary even. I trust them even less
If you read most of my posts, I argue much the same – that for the most part democracy is the illusion of democracy. Taking up arms isn’t going to change that, all it will do is give the powers that be the excuse to bring martial law, or especially emergency powers so they can do formally, with extreme prejudice, what they do now with a feather duster. In the US your best bet is to work to constrain your government to act within the constitution – challenge the federal reserve on that basis for instance – lots of people arguing its unconstitutional for instance, or take up as many are doing a defence of the constitution where it is most threatened: the 1st / 2nd amendments. Its when you go beyond the law and the constitution that you doomed. In UK where I am its a different story, but we have long traditions of rights under common law – do they prevent elites from governing from behind, no, of course not but that’s because we’ve allowed that to happen. In all instances improving the situation requires making arguments on the basis of law & precedent
In all instances improving the situation requires making arguments on the basis of law & precedent
Like bombing Iraq, Libya, Syria, Killing Saddam, Gadhafi & trying for Assad… All within law ??? If we say so, it’s the law…
I will recommend to you as a Frenchman to read ”
Montesquieu’s “The Spirit of the Laws”, It’s a long dissertation on law, but quite interesting, BTW it is hardly implemented in our democracies… this is why I’m cynical about “our” laws…
True Michael. It is right not to give in to despair. To exhaust the possibilities however requires a democratically significant large active and determined segment of the populace. Most I see are happy to smoke weed, huff cheetohs and turn their units orange watching porn.
True – but the fault is in not educating the masses properly.
I am sorry for the Communist “Jews”
I do my best everyday to fight them.
Have a nice day.
PS: Men rule, women drool 😉
One man with a gun can control 100 without one.
—
Vladimir Ilyich Lenin –
Educating ??
The following is the mantra of the educated..
A recent survey reported college students, by a margin of 51% to 36%, favor speech codes.
Williams College (Tuition and fees: $63,290) has undertaken an
“Uncomfortable Learning” Speaker Series in order to provide intellectual
diversity on a campus where (like most campuses) left-leaning sentiment
prevails. What a good idea! How is it working out? The conservative
writer Suzanne Venker was invited to speak in this series. But
when word got out that an alternative point of view might be coming to
Williams, angry students demanded her invitation be rescinded. It was.
Explaining their decision, her hosts noted that the prospect of her
visit was “stirring a lot of angry reactions among students on campus.”
So Suzanne Venker joins a long and distinguished list of
people—including Ayaan Hirsi Ali, George Will, and Charles Murray—first
invited then dis invited to speak on campus. It’s been clear for some
time that such interdiction are not bizarre exceptions. On the
contrary, they are perfect reflections of an ingrained hostility to free
speech—and, beyond that, to free thought—in academia.
To put some numbers behind that perception, The William F. Buckley
Jr. Program at Yale recently commissioned a survey from McLaughlin &
Associates about attitudes towards free speech on campus. Some 800
students at a variety of colleges across the country were surveyed. The
results, though not surprising, are nevertheless alarming. By
a margin of 51 percent to 36 percent, students favor their school
having speech codes to regulate speech for students and faculty.
Sixty-three percent favor requiring professors to employ “trigger
warnings” to alert students to material that might be discomfiting.
One-third of the students polled could not identify the First Amendment
as the part of the Constitution that dealt with free speech. Thirty-five percent said that the First Amendment does not protect “hate speech,” while 30 percent of self-identified liberal students say the First Amendment is outdated.
With the assault on free speech and the First Amendment proceeding
apace in institutions once dedicated to robust intellectual debate, it
is no wonder that there are more and more calls to criminalize speech
that dissents from the party line on any number of issues, from climate
change to race relations, to feminism and sex.
Quote: while 30 percent of self-identified liberal students say the First Amendment is outdated.
You would want those people to have the right to vote & to stand for office ???
They are EDUCATED !!
thanks, I’ve not read any montesquieu and will check him out when I can. All the events you mention above were certainly questionable. If appropriate they should be legally challenged, but yes, its right to be cynical about such things
unfortunately expanding higher education doesn’t seem to have changed that. Still we should keep trying
keep up the good fight. There are many commie gentiles as well, so we’ve all got our hands full
I’m not arguing against gun ownership, just suggesting that their utility is defensive, and if that were to change it probably wouldn’t end well for the gun owners who would likely be outgunned
One man yes ! But not if we are Legions !
See Switzerland.. Read about Swiss Army ! Try to do a ISIS or a colour revolution in Switzerland……
Don’t forget to read about Montesqieu problem that he had publishing his Opus Magnus ! That was then.. Today he would have been dead by jumping from a 20 story building, or in a car crash,maybe airline crash & his book would be pulped… Not burned ! Book burning only the Nazi do it ! We in a democracy only pulp them or not publish them……..But we DON’T BURN THEM !
I have a mental vision of the Swiss facing up to the ISIS hordes agonising about which blade on their swiss army knives to use. Or maybe they have swiss army guns too
There’s a joke about Switzerland during WWII… Hitler have asked the Swiss President, how many soldiers he can put to a fight ?? The answer was 500,000.. Hitler then said, what would you do if I invade you with a million soldiers ??
The answer by the Swiss President was, then every Swiss soldier will have to shoot twice….
You can’t educate the stupid.
A true philosopher-king is someone who 1. abides/understands politics, philosophy, religion, morality, ethics, power, etc. and 2. has the desire to acquire power to serve society 100% and serve himself 0%.
A perfect example is Guru Gobind Singh Ji, 10th Guru of the Sikh faith.
https://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Guru_Gobind_Singh
Also, just because ruler B spends ALL his time/resources acquiring and holding power doesn’t guarantee anything and is sub-optimal.
“So you see that there is a kind of natural selection that breeds for selfishness and corruption in leaders.”
This I agree with, simply because it’s much easier to acquire power when you’re completely devoid of any morality and ethics. Also, almost all who pursue power, desire it for themselves and don’t really care about society. That’s why we have so many selfish leaders as opposed to our philosopher-kings above, who are obviously bounded by morality and ethics.
The stupid are stupid precisely because from childhood they were never educated properly. Our current education system doesn’t help in the slightest – it teaches you how to do math and write essays but not how to think and gain the values of an educated, intellectual citizen.
Plato’s great, except for the republic. As Popper pointed out there is a totalitarian to Plato’s vision of the good life. In many ways all we have is the illusion of democracy and in reality we already have government by experts and technocratic elites. The whole enlightenment project reflects a tension between libertarianism of the kind we have lost in spades in recent times and the desire by the self-styled enlightened and illumined to have a scientifically managed – and typically atheist – society. Look for example at the neo-cons who managed somehow to balance a background in trotskyism with a subscription to a straussian version of platonism – and all the time while giving lip-service to democracy.
Plato was an asshole who believed in a communist society whose military would be based on mass gang rape (it would be forbidden for a male or female soldier to refuse the sexual advances of another soldier) and of course total destruction of the family unit, with a completely controlled from the top down by, surprise surprise, a few popular philosophers.
Of course that piece of human shit would say what he did about democracy because he hated power being in the hand of the inidividual.
Absolute power corrupts all absolutely. Monarchy’s have 1 (or few) absolutely corrupted people as opposed to a democracy.
Perhaps we are on the road to Plato’s Noocracy.
American representative government was designed to be employed by land-owning Anglophonic men, people with an actual interest in civic thrift, public order and personal liberty.
(((certain small factions)))
There, fixed it for you.
My only concern with Russia is if it is Anti-West. Now obviously I don’t mean the postmodernist West, I mean anti western civilization in its entirety.
Because proto democracies have existed for a long time in Western Civ, almost as if Western Civ is usually the product of a smart but more importantly high trust population (like those Christian Protestants), and that same population has utterly transformed the world. So much so that if only one group of Westerns was missing from history our world would be completely unrecognizable.
So as you can imagine I would see such a mentality as a mistake. And there is Dugin’s Zimbabwe speech. But I am not sure if that is real.
“I am a supporter of blacks. White civilization; their cultural values, false, dehumanizing model of the world, built by them – did not pay off. Everything goes to the beginning of the anti-white pogroms on a planetary scale. Russia saved only by the fact that we are not pure white. Predatory multinational corporations, oppression and suppression of all others, MTV, gays and lesbians – this is the fruit of white civilization, from which it is necessary to get rid of. So I am for reds, yellows, greens, blacks – but not for whites. I wholeheartedly on the side of the people of Zimbabwe.”.
Posted below. It’s not quite a smoking gun because he sort of says things sarcastically or to certain audiences.
I honestly don’t thing he really said that, and I don’t think Putin is undemocratic anyway. Go look at any Gallup or Pew (american run) poll, and Putin is very, very, very, popular in Russia, Putin doesn’t need to have election fraud or kill any opposition because his views are reflected in the population of Russia…
The same truth about the Castros was never acknowledged either; in any free election held since 1959 the Cuban people would have elected Castro by a wide margin. He is honestly very popular even today.
Anarcho-Tyranny is the right word for the state of the West.
Nobody even came close to representing Canadian values in the federal election this month. Trudeau got elected, and boasts he is part of Canada’s only dynasty. I thought democracy was supposed to be free of dynasty, that’s the whole point. He is of course as red as they come, weak and naive. Canada actually elected a high school drama teacher to majority. Glad I only bank my savings in USD. What a joke. What we need is a man like Putin to cut through all the bull and take our country back from the degenerate socialists.
the most important election in Canadas histroy will be the next federal one.
Trudeau will start the path to demise but 4 years is too short for major things to happen. So if we elect another dumbass progressive in 4 years this country is utterly effed.
Main thing for me is going to be the influx of Muslims and the rise of Islam almost identical to present day Englang, France, Sweden.
You are correct. But four years is enough time to add a horrendous amount to the already enormous debt. That coupled with an unjust tax burden and the influx of immigrants will be devastating for the country. And yet, people gleefully voted away their future.
“I thought democracy was supposed to be free of dynasty, that’s the whole point.”
You are confusing “democracy” with “liberty”.
They are NOT the same thing…but that is what government school teaches us.
They teach us this because they condition us to think that as long as we have elections, we are free!
I don’t want a leader to “save” me from socialists. I don’t need a leader. As long as a “leader” is in power there will be socialism in one form or another.
I don’t want a “benevolent dictator” to make everything better.
That is fairy tale thinking.
By it’s dictionary definition democracy is ‘A system of government by the whole population or all the eligible members of a state, typically through elected representatives.’ This should automatically make a dynasty impossible, except that democracy has been polluted in the West, barring the average person from gaining access to political platform. Hence why there is a political class that now exists and the main reason why personally liberty is being legislated away. Liberty is not in the best interest of a political class. You are confusing a state of being, liberty, with a form of government, democracy.
LOL Really man? Oh and being a democracy doesn’t mean you don’t have dynastic rule just rule by popularity
When the common man cannot enter in to politics because it is closed off to him by barriers such as economic class and heritage then it is no longer democracy, it is oligarchy. Dynasties don’t happen in true democratic nations. In a true democracy the people elect from among themselves their representation, they are not limited to a select few career politicians who keep the barrier of entry to government too high for common citizenry to represent themselves.
Democracy is mob rule, the only person who should vote are those who contributed the most to society.
As you can see universal suffrage is a disaster
Honest question: how do we know that putin is not of the same line as those who killed the tsar family and broke the bloodline to begin with. How do we know that putin is not in bed with the bolsheviks of today?
How is your question even relevant? Putin is kicking ISIS’ ass where the whole of NATO has been powerless. He’s the man of the hour, that’s it.
Just my 2 cents:
The Bolsheviks tried to eradicate religion when they came to power. Putin (I will leave the state and status of his soul to God) at least realizes that Christianity is a vital part of a healthy society.
America needs a strong leader that stands up for Anglo-American values and is willing to be an Empire builder. America possesses the most powerful military in the history of the world, but lacks the will to utilize it. We have lions led by lambs, commanded by dangerous SJW buffoons who refuse to check the power of the neo-Soviet Empire, the rise of the Islamic State and anti-western forces throughout the globe.
What the SJW left fails to realize is this: those that flex their power on the global stage understand power, not diplomacy. The Anglo-American Special Relationship must flex its power in return. Their Islamic or Soviet Empires can only be countered by an Anglo-American (and perhaps Franco) show of force, but more importantly a *willingness to use such force*.
As the UK at least has a Tory PM, we may have to look to them for leadership over Obama. I trust Cameron to lead the West before I’d trust Obama, or any Democrat other than Jim Webb, for that matter. America is unlikely to elect a strong President until the SJW, left-wing elements from society have been made to be an insignificant factor in American politics.
America already has an empire, and it uses its military all the time. We have been at war every year since I have been born, and yet we were never in any real danger; these were all wars of aggression with nothing to show for them afterwards.
Anglo-American values? The best values America had were those of the Europeans who came here and founded the nation, but as soon as it was set free on its own it became gradually more and more degenerate and evil.
What is superior about “anglo American” values as opposed to “neo-Soviet” or “Islamic” ones?
“with nothing to show for them afterwards”
Indeed. After all these wars in the Middle East, I’m still paying over $3 for gas at the pump. What the fuck?
Excellent article.
Russia and Eastern Europe could lead the way for the return of traditional power structures in Europe. At least I hope so. We need it or we will die.
Orthodoxy, Autocracy, and Nationality. Edmund Burke’s conservative reflections on the meaning of nation similarly pointed towards those values, one that takes the best from our ancestors so as to give the best to the generations not yet born to the Nation.
Russia, if you’ve ever visited it, has a distinctive and vibrant culture that you can feel tangibly, unlike Germany or France, in its present day contours. Walking around Saint Peterburg or Moscow you experience a blend of authentic religious and cultural symbols, and not dead ones around most street corners, which resonates with its own people who are proud of it. And that’s what I always experience in Russia, unlike most western countries, are a people who don’t despise and hate their own heritage and culture. They can see this in western countries and what it’s done to weaken and compromise them over the last 30 years, so this is why Putin is so opposed to many of the western progressive ideas coming to Russia.
If he’s seen as the leader who essentially destroyed ISIS while the west looked on for 3 years, well, I think it well be a critical defining moment in terms of world power and influence for his country. Russia and Putin will be seen as the only remaining superpower who has the courage determination, and might, to bring stability and order to the world. America’s stock has been greatly reduced by Obama’s duplicitous incompetence on this whole issue.
” Russia, if you’ve ever visited it,a distinctive and vibrant culture that you can feel tangibly, unlike Germany or France.”
I must admit that it is very true. There is very few tradition left in France. Equalitarianism has been killing us since more than 200 years.
Our Catholic roots slowed down the process a little. That explains why we’re not as fucked as Germany or Sweden.
Russians although they are cultural but they are not very religious. Religion is becoming more popular but a lot of people are what u call spiritual.
Putin and Russia may be the last hope for mankind.
I don’t know about that. America will slowly change and become more conservative. Russia is pretty corrupt but it is getting better though. China and Russia will become more and more influential though.
It doesn’t matter whether the US becomes socialist or more “conservative”. That rotten country is run by two pro-Zionist puppet parties whom are both under the influence of the banksters. Nothing is ever going to change as long as they are in control, and american population as a whole is allowing the charade to go on.
US and its culture is a cancer to the world and its eventual collapse will be a step towards progress for humanity.
Why do you think the US will become more conservative?
No, there is another.
Most epic comment ever
The last hope for mankind is the Second Coming of Christ.
However, as long I am bound to the mortal plane:
1) If any country, leader, or person supports Biblical values (defined as actually taught by The Bible, and not subject to ‘cultural relevance’ or ‘whim’) or hold such values that coincide with mine (regardless of religion), or at least recognize the such values are beneficial to society, I will consider you a neutral or an ‘ally’. I may even join you in the foxhole. Think Syrian Christians supporting Assad.
2) If not, consider me an enemy.
We atheists can believe in the rapture: We can see that Christians have already started to disappear, just not in the ways shown in Jack Chick tracts and Left Behind novels.
More like apostasy or martyrdom rather than rapture, but recc’d for the fact you did make me laugh (albeit sadly).
So from what your saying saying is that only those who have an imaginary friend aka god have strong cultural values? Modern medicine has trumped the faith healers of old, Turning to primitive ideologies is not answer to societies ills. Have you actually read the Bible so tell me how biblical law can be applied to modern society?
“So from what your saying saying is that only those who have an imaginary friend aka god have strong cultural values?”
From my previous comment:
“Any person….hold such values that coincide with mine (regardless of religion)…”
Mainstream Western Churchianity allies itself with feminist (anti-Biblical) values, so I oppose them, and side with groups like ROK that say that male dominance is the natural order (some of the values are in line with Biblical teachings).
This quote was made to squelch lurking idiot Churchians on ROK who think Christianity needs to be re-invented for the modern age ( i.e. exegesis vs. einegesis).
” (defined as actually taught by The Bible, and not subject to ‘cultural relevance’ or ‘whim’)”
” The last hope for mankind is the 2nd Coming… ”
“supports biblical values” “bound to the mortal plane ” etc…
Much of what is mentioned in the bible cannot applied to modern civilization. We should make the most of life on this plane and any man dares to call themselves a man is his own savior not some weak prophet who died without a fight.
The Bible is an interesting book of fables nothing more…
Ok, now it’s apparent that you’re just wanting to pick a fight instead of holding an intelligent conversation.
You are now on the top of my prayer list :). Goodbye, and may God have mercy on you.
The worship of your so call God is the denial of self so kneel and cry to your savior, I can sure use the entertainment.
“The worship of your so call God is the denial of self so kneel and cry to your savior, I can sure use the entertainment.”
Veni, Vidi, Vici.
What religion conquered the Roman empire again?
You’re just a decadent (neo)pagan about to be run over by the Russian Orthodox and the Muslims with your “We should make the most of life on this plane and any man dares to call themselves a man is his own savior.”
The Death Of Europe:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-25/death-europe
Nope I just bet on reality. I don’t the need supernatural give meaning to my life.
I almost threw up when I read that…
Dictator worship at its finest.
Yeah, yeah, I know, I know.
He’s sooooooooooooo alpha!
He’s not a wuss like Obama!
Let the Putin circle jerk begin!
let the cucking begin
Putin is also resistant to the New Jew Order…..that alone would get my vote!
I consider it a good sign when the leaders of major countries start saying “No” to Israel.
How do you know that? He hasn’t nationalized the Russian Central Banks (RCB).
Russia will bomb ISIS into oblivion with considerable collateral damage
and innocents killed….and nary a word will be said and Putin will
shrug his shoulders….this is how you win! Putin isn’t a
self-flagellating beta faggot.
When you have been swimming in shit, it’s easy to look better after a shower. Putin is a leader, but Russia is hardly the model for governance.
The United States, and the EU represent the overwhelming majority of the global economy and military. While it has its own moral delima, it is not at the brink of collapse. Just like in business if you own 99.99% of market share, all you can do is loose it. That doesn’t mean your going out of business.
Democracy does not allow a wise leadership. Democracy does not allow its leaders to sit down, have a reasonable debate and make wise decisions. It does not allow them to let themselves be convinced. Democracy forces politicians to pretend to know everything, because those who appear that way are the ones who stay the longest.
Only a leader that does not have to fear to lose his position can be truly wise.
“Only a leader that does not have to fear to lose his position can be truly wise.”
True. He can be wise. On the flip side, if he’s oppressive, then over time, the people would revolt and overthrow him.
Sure, but at least there is some passion in it.
Absolutely. A leader with good moral character and willing to put his life on the line for it. The ones that lose their lives are considered as martyrs.
“You take a mortal man,
And put him in control
Watch him become a god
Watch peoples heads a’roll
A’roll…”
https://youtube.com/watch?v=3P7Tp-QZkYY
Cool song.
“You take a mortal man,
And put him in control
Watch him become a god”
That’s what happens without a theocracy to limit and check the authority of the leader. It is the systems with elected leaders that supposedly derive their authority from the people that become totalitarian. If there is no God, then the state is God, but the state is a legal fiction, so whoever is head of state is God.
You see, the problem with theocracy is that the priests (mere mortals, I might add) gets power hungry like the dictator and you get a totalitarian rule in the name of God. The Spanish Inquisition comes to mind. Jihadist as well.
Besides it also robs society of consistency towards realizing goals, party’s will always disassemble prior legislation crafted by political opponents.
But the largest problem with democracy is that it leads to a manhating society of weakness, teh wymynz and their beta orbiters frankly outnumber us, people on average are too dumb to engage in governance, democracy puts the doors to corruption wide open, and disables a society’s immune system from foreign invaders both literal and cultural.
Narural leadership is a Meritocracy, and that’s what the west needs, merit.
Who knows, maybe we need something entirely new. Maybe we can take the good parts of democracy (although I find it hard to come up with any) and combine them with monarchy.
“..and combine them with monarchy”.
We already have that.
Bush 88-92
Clinton 92-00
Bush 00-08
Jug Eared F*ck 08-16
Clinton 16-
Well, there are surely many thinkable implementations. I am not a fan of this one, either.
The only thing I prefer about the current American system as opposed to absolute monarchy is that if and when you get a bad leader (happens under both systems) under our current system you have the legislature and judiciary to balance power, and basically stop the ruler from doing really bad shit. I wonder if a monarchy could work for the executive office and head of state while still sharing power with a legislature and judiciary?
Then again, having an absolute monarch just lets the guy in charge make one decision and shit gets done, everyone else falls in line. None of this insurance companies writing a law for health care that the legislature passes and then the executive tweaks and renames Obamacare and enforces. A monarch would simply decide how to best provide quality health for his citizens and boom, it happens.
On the other hand, the monarch could also decide that health care is not a matter of the state and leave it to the people.
Now the greatest thing would happen if each state had a monarch. No superstates. And each monarch would try out various things to attract people and become the strongest nation. Competition.
Then again, that kind of competition would almost guarantee conflict and likely, either through war or contracts, a superstate would come into being. To improve trade et cetera.
Maybe there is no once-and-for-all solution. Maybe it really has to sometimes break apart and start anew. A superstate is cool for trade and wealth and shit, but complete peace makes people into slobs. On the other hand, too many little states with completely independent legislature make trade difficult.
A bit abstract, yes, but it likely ends up being a process. Maybe humanity would be wise to take upon itself some kind of project independent of politics, to have some sense of accomplishment that will stay forever. But I guess that that kind of thing comes down to individuals with good ideas and balls.
Re: competition with monarchs. I think this explains why Europe was the dominant society on the planet for so long. And yes, it did invite competition and conflict, even when the monarchs attempted to use family ties to circumvent this (like how the British King was German during WW1 but still went to war against the Germans, surprising many).
I wonder what a European Union would look like if each country kept its monarch. I think only Spain still has one, and of course they were all weakened after WW1.
Wish I could join a deeper discussion, but my knowledge of history is ridiculously lacking.
I think the prerequisite for a strong nation is having a nation. Multiculturalist countries have too many diverse groups vying for power and resources. Im sure USA in the 60s was stronger and healthier because majority of the people shared the same ethnicity. Today US is a melting pot of conflicts and blame.
I am not sure that race is important. If there was a common goal – a common enemy for instance — it would possibly not matter.
It’s not monarchy vs. democracy.
It’s the size of the political entities that determine liberty and prosperity.
Case in point: Germany. When it was a loose confederation of 120+ autonomous free cities and principalities, there was liberty and prosperity. Once it became “united”, that’s when the war mongering, empire building, loss of liberty, taxes, regulations, nationalism as a religion, bureaucrat rule, etc. started.
The same thing is happening in another “united” political entity.
Those are career politicians
Monarchy worked well when the head of state was leading a relatively racially homogenous state into battle and it was means for both personal and groups existential existence. Conquer and survive or be raped and enslaved out of existance.
A combo thereof would come close to meritocracy, but it’s really hopeless if you think about it, the kind of good leader country’s need come by once every few hundred years or so, also, many who have the capacity to govern tend not to be interested in it. Politics fundamentally attracts sociopaths who are in it purely for themselves. Unfortunately the world must forcibly strip a man of virtually all he has before he can truly dedicate himself to a greater cause.
Come take your chances, happy man, I’m your host. In a dead world, the leader is who suffered the most.
The monarch is elected by wise people only.
Who chooses who the wise people are?
If you can manage to swim through all the false reporting, misconceptions, and bad propaganda the US does, North Korea actually has one of the best governments in the world today.
I dare to be sceptical of that, but feel free to present your arguments.
“Case in point: Germany. When it was a loose confederation of 120+ autonomous free cities and principalities, there was liberty and prosperity. Once it became ‘united’, that’s when the war mongering, empire building, loss of liberty, taxes, regulations, nationalism as a religion, bureaucrat rule, etc. started.”
Oh sure, “liberty” and “prosperity,” if we simply ignore that it was routinely laid waste by surrounding united countries. For instance:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years'_War
So great was the devastation brought about by the war that estimates put the reduction of population in the German states at about 25 to 40 percent.[77] Some regions were affected much more than others.[78] For example, Württemberg lost three-quarters of its population during the war.[79] In the territory of Brandenburg, the losses had amounted to half, while in some areas an estimated two-thirds of the population died.[80] The male population of the German states was reduced by almost half.[81] The population of the Czech lands declined by a third due to war, disease, famine and the expulsion of Protestant Czechs.[82][83] Much of the destruction of civilian lives and property was caused by the cruelty and greed of mercenary soldiers.[84] Villages were especially easy prey to the marauding armies. Those that survived, like the small village of Drais near Mainz, would take almost a hundred years to recover. The Swedish armies alone may have destroyed up to 2,000 castles, 18,000 villages and 1,500 towns in Germany, one-third of all German towns.
That’s the difficult part. Let’s have a reservoir of ten billion questions on history and politics. Before you vote you need to answer ten of them randomly thrown at you by a computer. Ten correct answers may not prove that you’re wise. But six incorrect answers show that you’re ignorant and your vote will not register.
Democracy is a farce
Putin does not represent a bulwark against the New World Order, as many hope.
The Plan is to create regional blocks as a transitional step to one-world government. Putin has been an active exponent of this process.
He is a false opposition.
“The Plan is to create regional blocks as a transitional step to a one-world government”
A totalitarian one, no doubt.
Historically, Eastern countries such as Russia, China, and Turkey have had a more authoritarian government as opposed to high participation democracy as in the West.
They had more people in these countries, which is probably why. Other Eastern countries like Thailand had a monarchy. This was often described as “Oriental despotism”. The West was like this too in the Roman period.
What do you define as “high participation”? In the 2012 American election around 125 million people voted in a nation of, 320m, a registered voter turnout rate of 58%. The turnout rate in 2014 was 36%. And of course about half the population doesn’t even bother registering.
Lol less than 10% of people in China vote because you have to actually enroll in a political party to vote. It’s not that they’re not allowed to vote it’s that most people don’t care lol. I bet it’s similar in Russia.
Also, people in America are more into these causes like you have folks who are Democrats because their father and grandfather were Democrats, people whose parents were hippies or something like that.
In most Eastern countries it’s not like that, you focus on your life and your job, and having fun. Even non socialist countries like for example Philippines. There are some political maniacs but it’s not seen as PC to talk about it all the time.
Most people are pretty apolitical outside of the US and some other countries like Spain, I think some parts of South America are also filled with political thought.
“eastern” please tell me how russians have anything to do with turks and hauns, having a mostly European populace
Well Huns were historically a nemesis of both Russians and Chinese, I’m not sure if they had a beef with the Turks though, the stereotype in China is that Turks and Huns are similar groups.
Also, look up the Hajnal line.
Another Russian guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnmukrMU7nk
Required viewing ^^
This one is actually good. Zhirinovsky is a clown, but when it comes to women-he is sharp.
“This one is actually good. Zhirinovsky is a clown, but when it comes to women-he is sharp.”
All he does is complain, like a woman. A real man would never have lost his “frame,” or if so, he’d rebuild it, either getting his wife back in line or divorcing her. But, no.
Interestingly the term “Tsar” is comes from the roman Caesar.
Also, don’t forget the the word “Kaiser,” which is its German equivalent.
I’d happily align myself with Putin’s Russia, the European right needs to take power in country’s and break down the EU and make comprehensive plans for pan-european economic treaty’s with Russia, basically back to how things were before the EU and the Euro came along.
Democracy is about representing the average or standard viewpoint in a given society. By its defining nature it has to be axiomatically opposed to strong leadership or the notion of State power being invested in the hands of one leader or visionary. In its modern form it has become leadership by committee and focus group which asks the people what “they like” rather than asking them what “they want”. It’s a form of leadership where people who are natural “followers” become leaders by default and this is why countries like Sweden or even America are increasingly being “administered” by lackeys who cannot make decisions.
Ironically, democracy was born in the men and boy only gymnasiums of Athens as a way of allowing stronger more virtuous men to enter public life. It was seen as a way of diminishing the hierarchical rule of kings, so by default it was established as a mechanism to promote strong leadership but on its own terms, and with a suffrage that would comprise of only well to do males from certain privileged backgrounds who’d be allowed to support and vote for each other. So democracy in the beginning was envisaged as something quite elitist, essentially male, educated, and urbane.
“The people of Russia, those present in the Priobskoye oil fields and the
streets of St. Petersburg where he was once first deputy mayor, those
who sleep in the earth the victims of war, famine, and revolution, and
those yet to be born: they are with him”
Some nice prose there, although it would have sounded better on a grand stage in red square. Or for that matter Times Square or Trafalgar.
Strange phenomenon this: Russians have always loved their strong leaders, there fathers to the people, yet quite opposite is supposed to be true in the west, where democracy is actually supposed to work. Putin’s popularity over here is a testament only to how the democratic system in the west – which in fact has never been that democratic in reality – is failing. I know people here aren’t necessarily big fans of democracy and think it leads to feminism and socialism by virtue of the system itself, but that’s only true if you conclude that our democracy works untrammelled, and that the government we have at any given time actually represents the majoritarian will of the people. I think you know that isn’t the case. What we in fact have here is a strong leader, who has managed to constrain his own elites and oligarchs showing his superiority in every sense to a west that is absolutely beholden to and predated upon by its elites, bankers and corporate and media whores. In other words in the west democracy is not obviously the problem: that’s just what they want you to believe so you’ll give up rights of genuine citizenship, free speech and organisation and self-determination generally. I think Putin is great (so long as he doesn’t want me dead) but just as Russia needs its strong non-democratic leaders because of the unique nature of the russian people and russian history in the west we need to rejuvenate and restore our democratic institutions, so that we can rejuvenate and restore the best traditions of masculine and leadership within democratic institutions which for all their faults are the best guarantee we have of freedom from tyranny. If we get some Putinesque leader or leaders over here who do you think they will serve: us or the 1%?
Hilarious. Just one question-if Putin is so great, how come is Russia,being the 13th economy of the world, is such a shit hole? You aware that the biggest country in the world does not have even one motorway/highway? You know that male life expectancy in Russia is on par with some African states?Right?
You know that min salary in Russia is $136/month,dont you?http://www.mojazarplata.ru/main/minimumwages/mrot-2015 A surgeon makes around $300/month You know that Putin appoints provincial states without elections? How come the emigration from Russia in absolute numbers is as high at the moment as it was in 1994?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)
Russia is #6 by purchasing power parity. Saying a surgeon only makes $300 a month is meaningless because things have different prices in Russia than they do in the USA. I’m willing to bet Russians don’t pay $75 a month for a water and sewer bill the way I do.
Well Indonesia is 8th.You have to look by GDP per capita,and Russia is 72: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita By PPP per capita Russia is 50th, higher than Croatia or Chile. This makes it twice as hilarious cause anyone who has been to Croatia and Russia will pretty much agree that the former is way ahead of Russia in terms of infrastructure and general quality of life. Which means one thing: while Croatia is a developed democratic state where money is distributed throughout the society fairly, Russian money goes to Putin and his cronies (or to buy yet another Willian for Chelsea) and people get shit.and 90% of Russian economy is oil anyways.As someone before said: Russia is not an economy,it’s just a large petrol station.
Biggest part of my family is in Russia and life for ordinary people there is unbearable. But they cant do much,everything is decided for them in Kremlin.
Prices for food and clothing in Russia are HIGHER than in Europe. Now,finall;y a question: would you like to be operated by a surgeon on $300 in a place like this?
http://newsinphoto.ru/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/%D0%A0%D0%B0%D0%B7%D1%80%D1%83%D1%88%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F-%D1%81%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B0-%D0%B7%D0%B4%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%BE%D1%85%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F-%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B8-%D1%83%D0%B1%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5-%D0%BA%D0%B0%D0%B4%D1%80%D1%8B-%D1%80%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D1%85-%D0%B1%D0%BE%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%86-0002-960×649.jpg
PPP per capita is the appropriate metric, yes. And I have never been to Russia, so I am rather ignorant on quality of life there, although I know that Putin dramatically improved conditions there during his time. Even if the data is somewhat fudged, I think he’s responsible for a huge improvement in quality of life in Russia. Russia is a huge country and I think the quality of life in a place like St Petersburg would be drastically different than what you would find in a small village. The same is true for China. One thing the USA has done a relatively good job at is encouraging development in rural areas (they bribe doctors to work there upon graduation, that pesky Universal Service telephone charge, etc.)
Putin in his almost 20 years tenure has done NOTHING in terms of improving infrastructure.The Russian infrastructure is pretty much the same as it was in 1989.Literally the same.You see the pictures and you wont notice the difference.
The salaries of Russians did increase,plus banks started issuing credits and mortgages to people which was not the case in 90s. But same goes for Ukraine or Moldova which has not got any of that oil.
Now the cycle is over and Russia is back to where it belongs.
Russian economy is a standard third world economy.Check any south american country (except Chile maybe) or a cuntry in Africa and you will find this patterns again and again.Insignificant growth- collapse of the currency- economy collapse-growth again. And those countries tend to have “strong leaders” too.
Yeah mortgage rates are like 30-35% or more with commission per year lol. Really high interest rates and high inflation.
I wouldn’t view banks extending credit as an accomplishment, although most western media would. I am no expert on Russia or Putin but some of his accomplishments I have heard of are: doubling economic output, paying back foreign debt early, instituting flat tax, lowest tax rate in Europe, PEACE (ended war in Chechnya, didn’t continue military aggression like the US and its allies have constantly done), and increased the opinion of Russia (while the opinion of the US is at record lows).
I would assume infrastructure in the USA is superior to Russia, but US has one of the worst infrastructures of any first world country I’ve been to, and almost nothing has been done to improve it in the last 20 years either.
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/putin-marks-10-years-of-extraordinary-achievement-20100110-m0n1.html
Then income varies in the cities. But I’m sure most surgeons take tons of bribe to operate. For apendicitis, oen of the head doctors asked a friend I knew for 30,000roubles(1000 dollars before 2014)). Ofc he just went to the surgeon and gave a vodka and he did the operation. After all, it supposed to be free
sounds like you want to blow the guy
This is how an average Russian lives. That’s their everyday life. Yet on TV they hear that Russia is 13th economy of world (?) and has produced more billionaires in the last 10 years than any other country in Europe. And that Russia needs to cut expenditures on welfare,health and education and channel more money into building weapons (this has actually happened last week).And needs to bomb a monkey country far away yet AGAIN (by some f reason nobody can clearly explain) and feed poor people of Crimea who are now cut off of Ukrainian supplies( and who never paid and not going to pay any taxes ever cause Crimea has official economy smaller than your Wallmart).So he watches TV ,reads mental wanking about the great Putin like the one above and wakes up HERE (it’s a capital of autonomous Komi repuiblic by the way).It sucks being Russian, being honest. http://www.varlamov.me/2015/siktivkar_ploh/00s.jpg
http://www.varlamov.me/2015/siktivkar_ploh/04.jpg
I can show you pictures like that of every major American city, which is covered in graffiti, unemployed men standing around, trash blowing down the street. What Putin represents to the west is someone who rejects feminism, rejects the gay agenda, someone who embraces his Christian faith, and embraces masculinity. Thus he is hated by many in the west but not by those who see him as the only obstacle to the new world order. It’s been a long time since the US had a president who was overtly masculine.
The one above is a NORMAL place in Russia,not where poor people live.This is the one where poor reside ,same city.Prosperity has increased in Russia but so did prosperity in Ukraine or any other ex USSR country, without oil. Russian prosperity should have been on par with Norway,in reality it is basically Nigeria in snow where men die on average at the age of 61. http://www.varlamov.me/2015/siktivkar_ploh/04.jpg
Russia is the biggest country on the planet with a tiny population (141 million) to landmass ratio. It has huge reverses of Oil, Gas, Ore, Coal and Timber, so our relationship with her in the west is vital for our future well-being.
Can I ask you a question. Have you actually ever visited Russia, I suspect not. Your pictures are very selective, true it has a lot of catching up to do, particularly replacing elements of the old Soviet infrastructure…but it’s going in the right direction.
I respect Putin because essentially he’s his own man, he’s a leader in the true sense and this is reflected by the huge support that ordinary Russians have for him. He knows his own people, he knows his own land, his nation’s history, and their values and beliefs and that’s what he embodies. Why do we find this so strange in the west. A leader who actually holds the values of the majority in his own country, not the values of some alien cabal that manipulate our leaders from behind the scenes and whose values and ideas often appear to be a variance with the traditional values of the State?
“Have you actually ever visited Russia.”
Yes. His pictures are more accurate than what
you are trying to mislead through words. Moscow, and perhaps St. Petersburgh, looks like any other western metropolis complete with shopping malls and sports bars. Travel a hour outside of the city and you’ll get a good glimpse what the other 90% of the population has to endure. Many Russians who have the means or education leave the country. Regarding Putin— it’s a love – hate relationship from what Russians tell me. He is as good as it gets for contemporary Russia.
Rural Russia is very similar to any rural area in east European countries, including those in the EU. People live alright- the black market and barter are still king- that’s how things work, so, it might not be full of malls and shops, but, that DOESN’T mean people are UNHAPPY.
“People live alright”
Are you speaking for rural Russians? You know this how? Or are you simply making opinions based on … ?
On my travel there, numerous times and I’ve traveled outside Moscow and Saint Petersburg…to more off the track places like Murmansk, Volgograd, Vladimir, Smolensk too.
I’ve been all around the Ukraine and the Balkan States over the years and have traveled from places like Iran, Aremina, Georgia and Turkey, by Bus, Train, Bike, Car, Ferry, Mule, Foot, Plane, Horse, so I know what I’ve seen over the years. People survive, live and strive in ways most westerners who’ve never traveled don’t understand.
You should never underestimate the resilience and ingenuity of people, and as I said most people I’ve observed in Eurasian and Latin American countries live alright, even if their economies are not first world. People in these places have their own tribal and local connections that always see them through if money is low. That’s the way so much of the world works- from Greece to Bolivia- people get by and are happy, more than we think, they’ve family and traditions that are stronger than any currency.
I think you need to get out and see the world a bit more my friend.
Thanks for the travel tip, but you didn’t answer my question. I hope I won’t be as presumptious as you regarding what the locals derive out of their elected leaders when I “get out and see the world more.” Heh.
Travel kid. You’ll see. People live, like You and I.
Thanks pops. I see you cannot answer, but enjoy waxing poetic about your travels and the “resilience and ingenuity of people” you never plan on trading places with.
When you travel you’ll see what I mean. And I mean TRAVEL don’t be a YANKEE TOURIST aboard…then you’ll learn something kid.
You are full of shit.
I do not see any problem with his explanation. Please elaborate.
Putin is sooooooooooooooooooo alpha!
You have places like the above in most developed countries in the world .Parts of DC only a few miles from the White House are completely no go areas. The fact is that Russian prosperity has increased greatly under Putin,
Not sure how accurate this is but it’s been floating around the internet lately. If this really happened then Mr. Putin is indeed the strong leader the weak kneed ninnies of the West (i.e. Obama et al.) fear.
On August 04, 2015, Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, addressed the Duma,
(Russian Parliament), and gave a speech about the tensions with minorities in Russia:
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In Russia, we live like Russians. Any minority, from anywhere, if it wants to live in Russia, to work and eat in Russia, it should speak Russian, and should respect the Russian laws. If they prefer Sharia Law, and live the life of Muslim’s then we advise them to go to those places where that is the state law.
Russia does not need Muslim minorities. Minorities need Russia, and we will not grant them special privileges, or try to change our laws to fit their desires, no matter how loud they yell ‘discrimination’. We will not tolerate disrespect of our Russian culture. We had better learn from the suicides of America, England, Holland and France, if we are to survive as a nation. The Muslims are taking over those countries and they will not take over Russia. The Russian customs and traditions are not compatible with the lack of culture or the primitive ways of Sharia Law and Muslims.
When this honorable legislative body thinks of creating new laws, it should have in mind the Russian national interest first, observing that the Muslims Minorities Are Not Russians.
(The politicians in the Duma gave Putin a five minute standing ovation.)
Bullshit.The reality is that it was Putin who opened Russian borders to Muslims from Central Asia and Caucasus wide open.
Navalny, the opposition leader, has actually been campaigning to close the borders from Muslims and cut off Chechnya (as opposite to Putin’s policy who Russians see as your Obama when it comes to questions of migration).
As to the speech-it’s re-used and repackaged shit floating over internet.Initially it was assigned to Australian prime minister (who has not made it neither).
I stand corrected.
“Navalny, the opposition leader, has actually been campaigning to close
the borders from Muslims and cut off Chechnya (as opposite to Putin’s
policy who Russians see as your Obama when it comes to questions of
migration).”
I think Putin knows that (given enough time) Muslims will need to be expelled from Russia, but he needs Shia Islamic allies to counter the USA and the Sunni Saudis. When you’re trying to counter balance a collapsing USA/EU who are willingly to risk WW III (Ukraine Nazi coup, Syria, etc), then you take your allies wherever you can.
“Navainy, the opposition leader”
May just be a controlled opposition to make Putin look moderate.
I’m really enjoying the shitlordism on ROK ever since Roosh reviewed culture of critique. I could see the seed was planted in the “will the swedish people disappear” article a few years ago, and now we are all merrily fashing out together on the internet.
Putin indeed seems like one of a handful of true leaders that Whites have right now. My advice to Russia: Hang in there brothers, and get those sexy Russian chicks knocked up! The US will be irrelevant in one generation, maximum two, and China has its own problems.
There are a few reasons why Putin is popular…
1-He has a backbone. Everytime some whiners tried to accuse him of something, like of being “homophobic”, he ignored them and continued to do what he believed in. The typical weak politician would have caved in, changed his views and apologized.
2-He doesn’t care what the smear press say about him. There are many times when the entire global press establishment smeared him for various reasons, for things like supporting Assad, the war in Ukraine, the Russian laws about fags, etc… Yet he completely ignored them and continued to do his thing. The typical weak politician would have been scared then would do a 180 full of apologies.
3-He spoke against faggotry. Faggotry is a disgusting thing and real men hate faggotry. The fact that he spoke against it made him more popular. The typical weak politician would support gay rights instead.
Love him or hate him. Agree or disagree with him. But he has a backbone and acts like a real man. That’s why his country supports him and even a lot of people outside Russia.
There is no mechanism of a feedback in Russia. Putin has not got any real opposition. The elections are rigged. The local governors are appointed, not elected. The prosecutors and heads of police are appointed too. The “opinion polls” are controlled by the state and all those “ratings”are largely crap.
I think just last week they have published a hilarious rating which was about 90%. Even Churchill did not have rating of 90% in 1945. No politician in a free state can have such rating,it is f*ng impossible in the real world.
If there was real opposition in Russia and mechanism of transparent elections than one could measure real support for Putin. Otherwise, its just a speculation. Ceausescu also had massive “support” before he was chased away by the cheering crowd and assassinated. Inmates in a concentration camp cant be asked whether they support the SS general.
He does not care what the smear press say about him mainly because he is not told the the smear press say shit things about him. He knows he is a criminal, and he is not interested in listening to morals.
But as any criminal he will end up in The Hague, it is just a matter of time.
If you really think the West has the morals to judge him, since their elites are made up of faggots, cowards, man hating lesbians, pederasts and even Satan worshippers, bent on destroying the very peoples they are supposed to rule, either Putin is Satan-hitler-Stalin-Mao combined or you are just a chill with serious mental problems.
Totally agree. Putin will never end up at the Hague.
Some of you guys on this page seem to think Russia (and Putin) are a joke. He’s done more in Syria in 2 weeks than the US has done in 2 years.
If you need further convincing read up on the public exploits of the Russian special forces or the Su-24 story below.
“As the Russian jet approached the US vessel, the electronic device disabled all radars, control circuits, systems, information transmission, etc. on board the US destroyer. In other words, the all-powerful Aegis system, now hooked up – or about to be – with the defense systems installed on NATO’s most modern ships was shut down, similar to turning off the TV set with the remote control.
The Russian Su-24 then simulated a missile attack against the USS Donald Cook, which was left literally deaf and blind. As if carrying out a training exercise, the Russian aircraft – unarmed – repeated the same maneuver 12 times before flying away.”
http://beforeitsnews (dot) com/eu/2014/11/russian-fighter-blinds-us-naval-ship-with-radar-jamming-uss-donald-cook-2572796.html
Good points.
All this Putin worship by the manosphere is deeply delusional and disturbing. I hate feminism as much as anyone here but let’s not make the mistake of heralding Putin as some great leader just because we agree with some of the t hings he does. The guy is a mafia thug. He has used his political power to enrich himself first and foremost at the expense of the Russian people. He could care less about most of the Russian people. He has been responsible for the murder of political opponents and various journalists in Russia. Russia is a gangster state.. a kleptocracy that is run by the Kremlin and the oligarchy. There is no free media and the State and Putin controls everything the people hear. If you think Russia and Putin are n any way a role-model for the West to emulate, you are a deeply delusional idiot with no real understanding of what it is like to live in an authoritarian, undemocratic kleptocracy gangster State. When the price of oil was high, there was enough money to float around even with Putin and the oligarchic elite looting most of the wealth.. with the price of oil having plummeted, you will see real suffering of the Russian people.
Fine, then how about heralding Putin as some great leader because he is a great leader!?
He took what was has been turned into a hole of corruption and filth by jewish oligarchs and built it into a country to be respected and admired. Show me someone else who can do that before you talk shit about him without any proof.
Stop with your frivolous bashing / miss information..
Here are some facts about Russian President, among Putin’s accomplishments and there are many, was the introduction of a 13% flat tax… (In US fed & State combo 50%) and the reduction of the corporate tax rate from 35% to 24% ( US 35% to 39%) and as result, Putin has maintained high approval ratings from the his people, winning the second Presidency with 71% of the votes…
Putin’s accomplishments are even more impressive when you realizes that he has had to deal with one of the fiercest mafias in the world. The Russian mafia led by some of the most notorious billionaire gangsters, who use dual citizenship in non-extradition countries such as Israel to thwart justice, and are responsible for sex slavery, weapons trafficking, drug running, and the rampant corruption that has unfortunately plagued Russia since the fall of the Soviet Union.. Even so, President Putin has consistently risked his life to challenge these gangsters and eventually saw charges brought against many of the criminal oligarchs..
There have always been people like you: lovers of perversion, haters of God, servants of Satan, wise in your own eyes, but vociferous mockers, liars, stupid, wicked, malicious in nature, always learning, but never understanding..
Putin’s daughters.
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Putin is good for Russia and its people. He has their interests in heart. But he’s awfully bad for the Leftist, Western, Globalist Zionist Elites.
In Russia people say “if the West criticizes us, we must be doing something right”.
Why cant he build fucking roads and hospitals if he has his peoples interest in his heart? Why do russian men die at 61, 19 years younger than german men and 15 years younger than romanian?
The west does not criticize Russia, West criticizes the regime (largely jewish btw) which exploits Russia
He got the country in a terrible state, it was a truly third-world hellhole (I was there at the moment, I know). Things improved greatly in all spheres. Russia in the year 2000 and Russia today are like two different countries. Life expectancy steadily climbs up, roads get built.
The West viciously attacks Russia like a rabid dog because Russia stands in the way of the Western Zionist Multicultural One World Government.
Roads are not being built ,this is a complete bullshit.You need to drive there once to realize the absurdness of your words. Preferably some 50 km away from Moscow Circular.Life expectancy atm is lower than it was in 1989 and the investments into infrastructure are sporadic.
How does Putin stands in the way of Zionist multicultural government exactly? I don’t get it.
He is Zionist multicultural government himself.
His oligarchs and his government are Zionist through and through, not one Russian face there.Russia is more multiculti than the UK or USA at the moment and Putin wants even more asian muslims, this is his policy. He refuses to introduce visas for muslims and chinese, albeit this is what Russian people want.
The west imposed sanctions because Putin has invaded a sovereign state and because he is a war criminal (forgot about Malaysian plane?).
You sir are another mindless idiot..
On February 4th, 2013, Vladimir Putin, the Russian president, addressed the Duma, (Russian Parliament), and gave a speech about the tensions with minorities in Russia.
“In Russia live Russians. Any minority, from anywhere, if it wants to live in Russia , to work and eat in Russia , should speak Russian, and should respect the Russian laws. If they prefer Sharia Law, then we advise them to go to those places where that’s the state law. Russia does not need minorities. Minorities need Russia, and we will not grant them special privileges, or try to change our laws to fit their desires, no matter how loud they yell ‘discrimination’. We better learn from the suicides of America , England , Holland and France , if we are to survive as a nation. The Russian customs and traditions are not compatible with the lack of culture or the primitive ways of most minorities. When this honorable legislative body thinks of creating new laws, it should have in mind the national interest first, observing that the minorities are not Russians.
The politicians in the Duma gave Putin a standing ovation for five minutes!
“Why do russian men die at 61, 19 years younger than german men and 15 years younger than romanian?”
vodka
The elites have purposely tanked commodity prices so as to destroy the economy of Russia and thus turn its people against Putin. He is one of the last true leaders on this planet and by God I hope he reveals Western leaders for what they are, a bunch of pussies.
Being in Canada and having our version of Obama recently elected, I will laugh when it’s time for pretty boy Trudeau to encounter Vlad.
Vlad smells the weakness of pussy leaders ( like OBAMA) and then does things to piss them off.
1)Describe me the mechanism of tanking the commodity prices. Like,the Rothshilds (or illuminati or lizard-men or whatever is trending now in Conspiracies daily?) meet up at the summit of a volcano and drop prices ..HOW exactly?
And don’t you think that elites have significant investments in commodities themselves?Check who are the shareholders in oil and mining companies.So they deliberately decrease their profits to remove a tongue-tied leader of a large, yet bizarre, country called Russia?
2) Let’s imagine the lizard faced jews have actually tanked the commodity prices.Don’t you think that Putin, as a good leader, should have thought about such possibility in advance and actually diversify investments into manufacturing, hi-tech, infrastructure, services?Like the leaders of Norway have been doing, or royals of Dubai?
Yet Putin and his cronies choose to build new palaces instead (just check the beauty Putin has constructed in Krasnodar oblast, Idi Amin would sulk in jealousy), buy footballs clubs and companies in safe London and siphon money into Kayman Islands. All those massive, immense, hard to imagine moneys received from selling oil in the last 10-15 years have evaporated. Nada.
Putin’s days are numbered.Watch this space.
No,no, his accountant did that
Not an expert, but I do believe the sanctions at Russia are targeting commodities.
The elites probably have investments in everything and anything, but remember, we’re talking about multi billionaires. Sometimes you have to spend money to make money. Removing a strongly nationalist leader through economic warfare is spending money, but just think of the money to be made from that!
As for Putin, can’t speak for him. You dont just shit out a high tech service industry overnight. Remember, Russia and the other EE countries are still recovering from communism, which was a generation ago, which explains their lower levels of wealth despite their people’s relatively high IQ.
Don’t put all EE countries in the same basket.If you compare Russia to any other democratic EE country like Poland-you will be shocked of how much ahead the latter is of Russia in terms of infrastructure and technology.
The sanctions against Russia are put simply because Putin has broken post 2WW golden principle of sovereignty and border security, has invaded Crimea, rigged a “referendum”, and occupied the territory of a sovereign state.He has also tried to do it to Eastern Ukraine but failed.
If Putin gets his army out of Crimea and Donetsk-sanctions will be lifted.
From my viewpoint, Putin is only doing openly what our “leaders” have been doing covertly with regards to border security and sovereignty.
Where is the US border security with 35 million plus illegals from Mexico? How about all the terrorists (including muslims) that the US and its european poodles have bankrolled, not to mention invading entire countries in South America and the Middle East? Sorry to say brother, but we really dont have the moral high ground here, and it seems to me any western criticism of Putin is unbelievably obnoxious and hypocritical.
The time will come when liberty loving white Christian men will leave a corrupt, tyrannical, feminized United States to live in Russia. Who could ever have imagined such a state of affairs when the USSR collapsed twenty five years ago.
Russia is corrupt too dude and it is in your face sometimes.
Please do.Russian matriarchy needs new beta blood.Meanwhile Russian men are waking up,swallowing red pill and moving to green pastures elsewhere.
The “Putin is sooooooooooo alpha” circle jerk begins in 3…2…1….
Guys, don’t let that picture of him on the horse make you finish too quickly…
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Powerful. These images leave a permanent impression. No words can resurrect the clown now.
I thought the dude in the last photo was Russell Crowe…
It is Alexander Dugin from ‘The American Empire Should Be Destroyed’ on Amazon Books I believe. I just searched pic, have never read book
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.amazon.com/The-American-Empire-Should-Destroyed/dp/1891469436&ved=0CB8QFjAAahUKEwiegIPG-NzIAhXJ0h4KHc2DAls&usg=AFQjCNHo8E0yWpXyRsfSKVu9AXkBreJjjA&sig2=2BXQug7RHfZe15VdtyAN3Q
They’re very similar –
Crowe:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Q0Emlj-y_ZU/S8Mc2JFs1nI/AAAAAAAAAWo/9sVHHyuOtQo/s1600/Russell+Crowe.jpg
Dugan:
http://en.kalitribune.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2014/12/627big.jpg
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Wow they could be twins, thanks…
Russians call men they put in space Cosmonauts. Americans call people they put into space Astronauts. It might seem a trivial observation, but, actually it denotes a completely different way of relating to the universe.
Another difference between Putin and American politicians is that the American pols no longer seem to care about the country. All they care about is fellating their donors–the big money oligarchs who are really calling the shots.
Money is the defining symbol of America. Why should you find this a surprise? Your’re no one in America without money, how democratic is that? Makes you wonder what you’re being patriotic sometimes.
Putin’s approval ratings are over 90 percent right now. That arguably makes Russia the most democratic nation on Earth today, if by democracy we mean the government doing what the majority wants. Here in the U.S., Obama’s approval rating is in the 40s and Congress’s is barely above single digits. When people imply Putin’s leadership is “undemocratic,” ask them to define “democracy.”
Democracy is the right to choose.Russians do not have such right since 1999.Simple.
90% rating is obviously a joke as no leader of a free state in the history had his ratings higher than 50%.
During the last elections one of the provinces had 146% votes for Putin)) (they just got the number of fake ballots wrong).
cuck
Orthodoxy, Autocracy, and Nationality
Putin allows Ramzan Kadyrov to have a Chechen, Muslim goon squad in Moscow, ostensibly to keep the Chechen strongman safe while he visits Putin. They spend most of their time though terrorizing the locals and causing crime. All the things that Putin says is just words to keep conservative happy. Steve Sailer has more on Ramzan from a alt-right perspective.
http://isteve.blogspot.tw/2013/05/through-looking-glass-chechen-ruled.html
This is how muslims behave in moscow:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8R8ETgC_E4
The little fucker has sold Russia to muslims.He has sold the country of my forefather to the hordes of looting third world migrants.He granted immunity of prosecution to anyone who has a name of Kadyrov behind him on top.
Putin will pay for it sooner or later.
What a terrible shame it is that AMERICANS now look to Russia with envy – a real leader with real balls who really knows what the fuck he is doing. Benjamin Netanyahu was in the Sayaret Matkal basically Israel’s version of Delta Force. Putin was a Russian intelligence operative. And Barack Obama? A fucking “community organizer” whatever the hell that is. To me it sounds like a pussy. Politics/Economics are downstream from culture and our culture is melting into a puddle of androgynous shit before our very eyes. Don’t be surprised if the mantle of global leadership passes from us because of it.
Don’t be surprised if the mantle of global leadership passes from us because of it. I think it already has.
Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young can say it better than I.
If humans land on Mars in this century, my prediction is that they will
be speaking Russian!
Democracy is coming a thing of the past as corporations, special interest groups run the shoe. Not to mention the courts overrule governments by reversing or dictating laws that are passed.
I have not been on this site in a few months, but the quality of articles like the one above have dramatically increased..
General Abrham Hannibal aka the dark star of enlightenment. Builder of Saint Petersburg. Creator of modern Russian language, and Great Grandfather of Alexander Pushkin. Y’all Welcome. #AfricansInTrafficVol1
yeah fuckin right, more afro-centric garbage, you people can’t build houses properly much less cathedrals.
I actually sprayed spittle onto my screen from a burst of laughter!
Interesting points, I’d just argue against calling democracy feminine. It is just people expressing their right to decide the affairs of their country, and remember the Ancient Greeks were the first ones with democracy (an all-male, nationalist version).
Women voting makes it feminine. Look at the entire west and it is feminized to a fault. This blog was created due to the feminization.
The Roman Legion will return, by the glory of the old world when this farce of a “new world order” falls upon its miserable and weak foundations. Euro-sellouts, your time for honoring yourselves is soon to be at an end. There was much loss and much hatred, many deaths and miscegenation of Europe’s proud people, but by God those who survive will rebuild, and those who fall defeating this plague will not be forgotten! Ave imperator, morituri te Salutant!
“The Cold War is long over, and few people fear the fading remnants of its losing side”
The Soviet Union lost the Cold War politically and economically, but was highly victorious socially. America today is about as socialist/communist as it gets, with an apparent majority of people in favor of that style of government. In addition, the release of documents after the Soviet Union’s collapse showed that McCarthy was right about pretty much everything.
The best part about Putin is that he is the de-facto protector of the Orthodox world.
The Christian genocide in Serbia conducted by NATO would never have been allowed if Russia was where it is today under Putin.
I don’t see what people find “undemocratic” about Putin, people in Russia love him, even polls by US based organizations find that true, and the Russian people have democratically elected him president. He would have no reason to rig an election if he wanted to stay in power.
@ivan
Putin is a short guy and utterly impotent in the big game. One call from our worthless first Hawaiian president to the Saudis asking to lower oil prices and Russia is in economic turmoil. All it can do now is wave its little pecker about in the Crimea and Syria trying to convince the world it is something imporant
You sir, are a mindless idiot… Even if you don’t like President Putin, one thing you cannot say about him is that he’s “utterly impotent”. If anybody takes the high road even when they shouldn’t it is President Putin.. Are you even listening to yourself? You can’t be that delusional and/or brainwashed..
@ivan http://irisharchaeology.ie/2013/04/st-georges-church-ethiopia/
Vladimir Putin The Greatest Leader of Our Time..
While Obama was winning a Nobel Peace Prize and perpetrating undeclared wars in Iraq, Afghanistan,Libya,Syria,Somalia,Yemen, etc.. Putin was using every piece of his influence to oppose unjust and internationally illegal wars waged by the west..
Putin tried to prevent the disastrous Iraq war by vetoing resolutions in the UN, but the powerful Israeli-American lobby, AIPAC, convinced American politicians to invade without UN backing..
Just as in Iraq, Putin staunchly opposed the intervention in Libya, which has also turned out to be a humanitarian disaster. Libya went from an internationally law-abiding country to a fractionalized nation that is being controlled by radical elements. The country’s infrastructure was seriously damaged, and far greater human rights abuses are being perpetrated now than ever took place under Qaddafi..
Really wish people would stop confusing the enlightenment with the current problem we’re facing with corporate hegemony. The idea of looking for answers to temporal questions that are based on reason and observation rather than authority and revelation seems sound.
I don’t know enough about history to comment on the Tsars but it seems that a monarchist system is just bound for problems on an organizational level. America is not a democracy but a democratic republic though many forget this. The system of checks and balances would work much better than a royal family if it was actually adhered to.
Democracy isn’t effete but skulking subterfuge is. And that is exactly what we’re experiencing.
Duce! Duce!
Up through 1934, Mussolini looked like a strong leader.
His army’s subsequent performance against people other than Ethiopians armed with spears was less than spectacular.
Russian is a paper tiger – the only viable industries it has are oil and arms. With oil below $50/battle and likely to stay so, Putin’s income is drastically curtailed. The arms business is increasingly competitive. While traditional products from Soviet era designs still do well (how many AKs in the world?),, the new products are not. If Russia is puttering about with its toys, it’s because no one cares enough to stop them. Let them kill Crimeans, Arabs, and other oddly hued foreigners — what is that to the Anglo-American elites?
Italian Fascism developed from Communism..
Slav-Fascism, the same.
One was proven to be hollow,
One will be proven to be hollow.
” Credere Obbedire Combattere” is not sustainable.
0% percent of what you said is accurate, fascism from communism , da fuq
Both stem from socialism.Fascism is national socialism,communism is international socialism.
Fascism killed other races and nations, communists killed their own people.
Modern Russia is a truly fascist society: power belongs to several families, no freedom of election, no human rights, massive state propaganda.
So the author above is right.All dictatorships end up the same.
Vladimir Putin: Occupation, MAN
Nice investigation into billions hedged by Putin’s daughter and how the power in Russia belongs to 6-7 families.
You can blabber about Putin as much as you want but anyone with a head on their shoulders will agree that Russia is a truly fucked up society.
http://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/russia-capitalism-daughters/
Recent picture from a Moscow metro.Not one Russian face seen.
The fucker has basically sold Russia to asian and middle eastern scum.And he will pay for it.
https://pp.vk.me/c630923/v630923430/387/agzEfEFyzg0.jpg