177 thoughts on “An Introduction To The Old Testament”

1. What we call Jews today are not the people of the Old Testament. Jews reject Jesus who is God and therefore cannot be likened to the Israelites who followed God in the OT

   1. That is probably the dumbest thing I have ever heard anyone ever say about religion which is, ya know, casting a pretty big net. Not sure if you need to clarify what you mean or if you are really just totally wrong but in all the people who have said things about religion, as nuts and crazy as I have seen it (and it is as nuts and crazy as it gets wrt religion) this is, hands down, the absolutely dumbest thing ever.

      1. Clearly you haven’t been reading some of the “religious” commenters around here. Believe me, I’ve seen dumber.

         1. i have seen ranting, raving and total lunacy but this is def the dumbest….

         2. I beg to differ, my nihilist friend:
            http://disq.us/p/1bgsqru
            Had a conversation with this commenter a few days ago.
            I become more agnostic/atheistic by the day.

         3. You ought to check out Vox Day too.
            And he’s relatively bearable in comparison to some “religious” types I’ve found around the darker recesses of the interwebz.

         4. I have. I can’t even understand that people read that stuff.

      2. It’s a pretty simple concept Jesus is God,God is in the Old Testament. Judaism rejects Christ and therefore the God of the old testament. Judaism is an apostate religion much like their were ancient Israelites who worshipped Baal and apostacized from the faith back then. The ones that remained true are known as Christians today.

         1. Simple being the operative word

      3. Don’t see what’s really dumb here. That’s actually a pretty mainstream thought, that the Church is the new Israel.

         1. You can devoutly believe in the Bible and value it and realize that the church is run by men that often do and say stupid things that contradict the Bible. “Today’s Jews really aren’t Jews” is one of those things. Also, things like “What Jesus changed from water was really more like grape juice”, and “The Song of Songs isn’t about male desire for his woman, but Christ’s love for the church”.

         2. Its not a stupid comment either Christ is God or he is not. If he is then the Jews do not worship the same God as the ancient Israelite’s did. Seriously this was decided as theology way back in the first century.

         3. Why is that so stupid? What if I told you that todays “liberals” are actually socialists that stole the term “liberal” so they would sound better and to trick people into thinking their cult is a traditional aspect of our culture?
            (This is a fact, by the way. Today’s “liberals” stole the term “liberal” from the classical liberals of the 19th century.)

      4. Revelation 2:9 “I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I
         know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but
         are the synagogue of Satan.”
         The true Jew is a follower of Christ. Zionist Jews that you see living in Israel today are either secular or worship the Talmud which is filled with verses slandering Christ and promises of the antichrist enslaving all Gentiles.
         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=typ2pl2L47k this cited documentary explains it well, straight out of rabbi’s mouth too

         1. You realize that this can cut the other way. A follower of Christ can be a jew who has followed a path from a false prophet. But, either way, it doesn’t matter. There are several reasons it doesn’t matter. First, because “some guy on the intertubes” doesn’t count as a biblical scholar and while I do not know for sure I would imagine your abilities in biblical scholarship fall right behind the abilities of a rat on meth to understand particle physics, explain it to a monkey with Parkinson’s and have him write it out in crayon on the back of a fortune from a Chinese cookie. Secondly because every single part of what you say can be turned exactly around and used to vilify Christ as a false prophet and Christians as a lost flock. Third, because all of this is about a big fairy tale that you are trying to understand on the level of metaphor which is how we teach it to children and, fourthly,
            “I would not, could not in a tree.
            Not in a car! You let me be.
            I do not like them in a box.
            I do not like them with a fox
            I do not like them in a house
            I do mot like them with a mouse
            I do not like them here or there.
            I do not like them anywhere.”
            Green Eggs and Ham, Dr. Seuss
            Because while we are quoting things I thought I would join in.

         2. I didn’t realize Kratom being banned would hit people so hard. I can find you a dealer if you like.

         3. This is true.

         4. If your first point meant that a follower of Christ can be a sinner or heretic who has reformed, then that’s correct.
            Why does it matter that its a guy on the “intertubes”? Its a documentary that was uploaded on to youtube, not some vlogger. You clearly didn’t watch the video since you chose to insult me instead of directly address the fact that it has been scripturally, genetically, and historically proven that Zionist Jews are not God’s chosen people.
            If you’re so sure Christ is a false prophet and Christians are lost, then show me your sources. I showed you mine and the burden of proof is on you. Inb4 more smarmy ad hominems.

         5. I am not so sure of anything and frankly I couldn’t give a bag of rat shit about Christ, messiah or no. The point is that it is just as easy to say he is a false prophet and that Christians are disconnected jews as it is to say he was the actual messiah and all real jews are now Christians.
            You have no proof that Christ is the messiah. You can’t. You may have faith and if so I commend you for it. But to make sweeping accusations of people with a different faith based on yours seems disingenuous. Why not just have your faith mean something to you and avoid throwing stones. Any argument you use from a position of faith can just as easily be turned around on you. Leave logic and proof to logicians and enjoy your life and your faith.

         6. I don’t take pleasure in mocking or picking fights. However, I will stand up for my faith when there are people who devote their lives to slandering it. I name call the Zionists because their holy book slanders Christ for not being the messiah they wanted, and it also refers to what they perceive as Gentiles (that includes even you) as filth who will one day be enslaved. On the surface level they claim to be followers of God, however if you talk to any Rabbi like the documentary showed, they care little to none about the old testament, because the Talmud is their real moral code. If you watch the documentary or talk to any historian free of any bias, youll learn that Jews were chosen as leading examples of good Christians, not to be supreme rulers of the world. Its not a simple matter of two sides on the same coin when there is no proof whatsoever for Christians being as bad as Zionists, unless you want to include Catholicism, which is a different religion altogether.
            Who are these logicians you speak of? The same people who believe we all randomly spawned from single cell organisms with no proof what so ever? There is no smoking gun evidence to how the world was created, but since there is a 50% of either re-spawning multiverse or eternal damnation, I’m putting my bet on Christ.

         7. you think the holy book of the jews slanders Christ for not being the messiah. It can’t slnder Christ. He wasn’t around. And they think that your holy book slanders god by calling Christ the messiah with as much zeal and as little proof.
            Good luck to you in the future and your beliefs dude. I am sure you can find plenty of videos on the web supporting exactly what you want to believe.

         8. Their “Holy” book was written a few hundred years after they murdered Christ. Heres some of their verses if you don’t believe me.
            http://www.talmudunmasked.com/chapter5.htm

         9. what makes you think that a website called “Talmud unmasked” is an impartial and intelligent understanding of something in history and not a bunch of guys just jerking themselves off and blaming jews for shit?
            This is roughly the equivalent of going to the DNC website for information about global warming or going to a website called http://www.protobassisacunt.com to find out information about protobass
            DUde, again, I am glad you have something in your life that gives you some kind of fulfilment. I think it is a weak an sad thing, but that shouldn’t be any skin off your back.
            Peace out man and good luck with everything.

         10. What proves their evidence wrong? This is stuff Rabbis are not ashamed of. Go to any local Synagogue and ask about it. Here is proof from a former Talmudic Jew if youre still not convinced http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=156
             All your suggesting is that nothing is real, lets all bury our heads in the sand.

         11. rather than be dickish and tell you what a stupid cunt you are I politely said good luck with your life and ended our conversation.
             Please, respond in kind and go back to whichever websites tell you that you are a special little snowflake.
             Really, I am losing my patience with you. I am not looking to debate a child about whether the easter bunny is real.

         12. Go set ur ballz on fire you preening, pseudo-intellectual, Hitchens-Dawkins parroting, basement dwelling, neck bearded clown.

         13. “…[M]any live as enemies of the cross of Christ. Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is set on earthly things. But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there….”
             Phillipians 3:18-20
             “This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed.”
             John 3:19

         14. “Go fuck yourself simpleton”
             Me 69:69

         15. Such a hostile little twerp. You feel good? You got to act tough on the Internet to a superior man? Make you feel big! Maybe you can finally manage that hard on you have so sought after. Pfft, dude, guy who shines my shoes is worth 20 of you

         16. So, why even bother to comment?
             On atheism, there is no objective basis for even ascertaining truth; there is no immaterial aspect to consciousness and all mental states are material. Therefore, everyone who ever lived and ever will live could be wrong about a thing. By what standard would that ever be ascertained on atheism? Also if atheism is true, there is no objective meaning to existence and no objective standard by which the ‘rational’ world view of atheism is more desirable, morally or otherwise, to the ‘irrational’ beliefs of religion. Ridding the world of the scourge of religion, so that humanity can ‘progress’ or outgrow it, is not a legitimate response to this because on atheism, there is no reason to expect humanity to progress or grow. We are a historical accident that should fully expect to be destroyed by the next asteriod, pandemic, or fascist atheist with a nuke. In short, if atheism is correct, there is no benefit, either on an individual or societal level, to knowing this or to spreading such ‘knowledge.’
             Related to this, why is the atheist debater even alive to participate. If there is no heaven, no hell, no afterlife at all, only an incredibly window of blind pitiless indifference, then the agony of struggling to exist, seeing loved ones die, and then dying yourself can never be outweighed by any benefit to existing. As rude as it way sound (and I AM NOT advocating suicide) the atheist should have a coherent explanation for why they chose to continue existing. Failure to adequately address these threshold questions should result in summary rejection of the neckbeard’s position. In the end, we all know you can’t answer these questions because yours is a petty, trivial, localized, earth bound philosophy, unworthy of the universe.

         17. tl:dr
             feel better?

         18. Wow, your comments have really opened my eyes. I mean, this is mind blowing stuff! You make some powerful points, except … let’s put the Hitchens-Dawkins Kool-Aid down for a while and look at reality: Kalaam Cosmological Argument, the Argument from Reason, Modal Ontological Argument, Plantinga’s Free Will rebuttal to the Problem of Evil, Fine Tuning of Universal Constants, irreducible biological complexity, the argument from morality…. Your entire world view lies shattered at your feet. If you truly honor the gods of reason and critical thinking half as much as you claim, you would plant your face firmly into your hand, step away from the device, find a quiet place, and rethink your life.

         19. I made no such claims. My only claim was that you are too dumb to take seriously. I stand by it.

         20. So, why haven’t you set ur nutz on fire yet?

         21. whenever I read whatever you write it always comes out like “DUHHHHHHHH”

         22. So you admit that atheism provides you with no coherent explanation for why you should continue your own existence.

         23. first of all dimwit, I am not an atheist. I never denied the existence of god.
             What you have done is imagined what I believe and then argued against it with a bunch of talking points that you get off of websites that makes you feel like a special snowflake.
             You have no idea what my beliefs are. You have no actual opinions that you didn’t just crib from sources that confirm your identity as special (which is the same thing that the BLM people, Faggots and SJW’s do….and I consider you no different than any of them) and then have used your erroneous assumptions of my beliefs as a launching pad to make a speech of second rate hack material that you got from other sources.
             So, to get back to my original point….you are a moron. You are not smart enough to argue or debate with because it is like trying to teach curdled milk how to resolve ontological antinomies.
             Now, go away. I am tired and bored of you. You are dismissed. Go back to your little small minded, low iq, insecure world of morons who can jerk each other off and make each other feel a little less like enormous fucking losers.

         24. Quit buttslamming dudes, dude.
             #AtheismFliesCocksIntoButts

         25. quod erat demonstrandum

         26. On some level you tacitly know that it’s time for you to shut your neck bearded face. Search your feelings, butthurt boy, you know this to be true.

         27. Ok tough guy.

      5. Not sure where you got lost here. Jews today have no temple, no priests, no messiah. Their religion was destroyed by the Romans in AD70. What exists today is more like the Pharisees, a tribal cult of Jews that don’t have God or faith, according to the rebukes Jesus gave the Pharisees.

         1. Oh good. More morons commenting. I think if 50 idiots comment this idiotic idea that makes it right. You’re a pretty big moron so you probably can count as two

         2. I wouldn’t worry too much about “who says what about ___”. I looked at that talmudunmasked site and spent all of 45 seconds before deciding it’s all “white noise” as I call it. There are too many spin-offs of traditional Judaism and Christainity operating today that comparable in quality to “Joanie Loves Chachi” as a shit spin off from “Happy Days”. Illegimi non carborundum!

         3. Are you off your meds?

         4. no, just tired of suffering through the slack jawed drooling “DUUUUHHHH” that constitutes the low IQ crew of the comments section….this includes you….most the times I find it amusing. But this week it has been annoyed.

         5. Glad you are still on your meds, then.

   2. Truly! I’ve taken the time to add lengthy comments to correct a multitude of inaccuracies with Roosh’s article. I devoted a particularly long one to the subject of the Khazar Jews.

   3. Shema Yisrael — Adonai is our God! Adonai is One!
      (Not three, as Christians believe.)

2. Moses probably spoke with extraterrestrials atop Mt. Sinai.
   Anyway, the Old Testament should never have been included with the teachings of Christ. Christ has been dealt a monumental disservice down through the centuries, having His teachings whittled down into a social control mechanism. All these other people who had completely unique takes on hearing his words had their testimonials excised from the official story (“gnostic” gospels.. theres a ton of them). What a waste. Anyway, I’m all for Christ The Teacher, but organized religion can go to hell.
   Addendum: it’s not the teachings of Christ that are used to attempt to subvert Science, it’s the Old Testament.

   1. moses was literally hitler.

      1. Proverbially speaking.

3. I see it like this. The OT is a story of the unfolding of consciousness development. Notice the immorality of the early patriarchs with whom God is pleased ? Jacob for example ? Moving on to Moses with 10 commandments. Before developing the more universal concepts of the NT, it was necessary to develop a tribal consciousness which worked.
   NT is a morality that applies to a post tribal world. With higher principles, higher demands. Sermon on the mount, for example is more evolved that “eye for eye”.
   Finally, there can be no good without evil. Polarity exists within one people. Just as we are called upon to follow the advanced morality of Christ, so the counterpart, the subjugation of the world by Jewish bankers is the dark side of all this.
   Through the Jews, we are grafted upon the highest moral and spiritual principles through Christ. But the Jews at the base of the Mountain with there Golden Calf carry the necessary impulse polarity of this principle.
   Both are coming true. Almisghty triumph of world control by the dark side of the Jews. But the warnings and unfolding of the strenght that allows us to reisist is also present.

4. Roosh, good summary of the Old Testament. As for its divinity, I guess you have to experience the supernatural to believe in it. The Old Testament viewpoint is so contrary to what most people want, can you imagine people living by it unless they believe it comes from God? How long did it take you to get enough experience and insight, that you can understand the Bible view of human nature, and code of conduct? How many men will EVER gain such experience and insight on their own?
   As for usury, well, that is war carried out by other means. All the other religions allowed usury, so it allowed Jews to compete in the broader marketplace. Basically, direct your fighting urge outward, maintain tribal unity by “grooming” behavior like interest free loans. Sound psychology.

5. If you read the Institutes of Biblical Law, John Rushdoony was an Armenian priest from a long line of hereditary bishops. He explains how the Old Testament law code helped little Armenia keep its independance and tribal identity in the face of world empires like the Ottoman Turks, Muslims, Byzantines, and others. Fascinating read. Due to his family background, he shows how some of the laws seem like they have no use or effect. But over hundreds of years, they have definite effects. Large time scales.

   1. Yeah, Armenia’s mountains had nothing to do with it.

6. Not only the old testament, but the Holy Bible from the beggining to the end, forbids your promiscuous “game” lifestyle see, Thou shalt not commit adultery. [Exodus 20:14] And thou shalt not lie carnally with thy neighbor’s wife, to defile thyself with her. [Leviticus 18:20] “You shall not covet” Exodus 20:10, Whoever commits adultery with a woman is out of his mind; by doing so he corrupts his own soul. Proverbs 6:32

   1. It may forbid the game lifestyle, but it offers things that more than compensate for that, while still allowing for sexual variety.

      1. Read, Proverbs 5: Warning against adultery,
         3 For the lips of the adulterous woman drip honey,
         and her speech is smoother than oil;
         4 but in the end she is bitter as gall,
         sharp as a double-edged sword.
         5 Her feet go down to death;
         her steps lead straight to the grave.
         6 She gives no thought to the way of life;
         her paths wander aimlessly, but she does not know it.
         7 Now then, my sons, listen to me;
         do not turn aside from what I say.
         8 Keep to a path far from her,
         do not go near the door of her house,
         9 lest you lose your honor to others
         and your dignity[a] to one who is cruel,
         10 lest strangers feast on your wealth
         and your toil enrich the house of another.

      2. Proverbs 5-7New Living Translation (NLT)
         Avoid Immoral Women
         5 My son, pay attention to my wisdom;
         listen carefully to my wise counsel.
         2 Then you will show discernment,
         and your lips will express what you’ve learned.
         3 For the lips of an immoral woman are as sweet as honey,
         and her mouth is smoother than oil.
         4 But in the end she is as bitter as poison,
         as dangerous as a double-edged sword.
         5 Her feet go down to death;
         her steps lead straight to the grave.[a]
         6 For she cares nothing about the path to life.
         She staggers down a crooked trail and doesn’t realize it.
         7 So now, my sons, listen to me.
         Never stray from what I am about to say:
         8 Stay away from her!
         Don’t go near the door of her house!
         9 If you do, you will lose your honor
         and will lose to merciless people all you have achieved.
         10 Strangers will consume your wealth,
         and someone else will enjoy the fruit of your labor.
         11 In the end you will groan in anguish
         when disease consumes your body.
         12 You will say, “How I hated discipline!
         If only I had not ignored all the warnings!
         13 Oh, why didn’t I listen to my teachers?
         Why didn’t I pay attention to my instructors?
         14 I have come to the brink of utter ruin,
         and now I must face public disgrace.”
         15 Drink water from your own well—
         share your love only with your wife.[b]
         16 Why spill the water of your springs in the streets,
         having sex with just anyone?[c]
         17 You should reserve it for yourselves.
         Never share it with strangers.
         18 Let your wife be a fountain of blessing for you.
         Rejoice in the wife of your youth.
         19 She is a loving deer, a graceful doe.
         Let her breasts satisfy you always.
         May you always be captivated by her love.
         20 Why be captivated, my son, by an immoral woman,
         or fondle the breasts of a promiscuous woman?
         21 For the Lord sees clearly what a man does,
         examining every path he takes.
         22 An evil man is held captive by his own sins;
         they are ropes that catch and hold him.
         23 He will die for lack of self-control;
         he will be lost because of his great foolishness.
         Lessons for Daily Life

      3. Proverbs 5-7
         Avoid Immoral Women
         5 My son, pay attention to my wisdom;
         listen carefully to my wise counsel.
         2 Then you will show discernment,
         and your lips will express what you’ve learned.
         3 For the lips of an immoral woman are as sweet as honey,
         and her mouth is smoother than oil.
         4 But in the end she is as bitter as poison,
         as dangerous as a double-edged sword.
         5 Her feet go down to death;
         her steps lead straight to the grave.
         6 For she cares nothing about the path to life.
         She staggers down a crooked trail and doesn’t realize it.
         7 So now, my sons, listen to me.
         Never stray from what I am about to say:
         8 Stay away from her!
         Don’t go near the door of her house!
         9 If you do, you will lose your honor
         and will lose to merciless people all you have achieved.
         10 Strangers will consume your wealth,
         and someone else will enjoy the fruit of your labor.
         11 In the end you will groan in anguish
         when disease consumes your body.
         12 You will say, “How I hated discipline!
         If only I had not ignored all the warnings!
         13 Oh, why didn’t I listen to my teachers?
         Why didn’t I pay attention to my instructors?
         14 I have come to the brink of utter ruin,
         and now I must face public disgrace.”
         15 Drink water from your own well—
         share your love only with your wife.
         16 Why spill the water of your springs in the streets,
         having sex with just anyone?
         17 You should reserve it for yourselves.
         Never share it with strangers.
         18 Let your wife be a fountain of blessing for you.
         Rejoice in the wife of your youth.
         19 She is a loving deer, a graceful doe.
         Let her breasts satisfy you always.
         May you always be captivated by her love.
         20 Why be captivated, my son, by an immoral woman,
         or fondle the breasts of a promiscuous woman?
         21 For the Lord sees clearly what a man does,
         examining every path he takes.
         22 An evil man is held captive by his own sins;
         they are ropes that catch and hold him.
         23 He will die for lack of self-control;
         he will be lost because of his great foolishness.

   2. Adultery (na’aph in Hebrew) means “woman who breaketh wedlock”: http://biblehub.com/lexicon/leviticus/20-10.htm
      A man can have how many wives and concubines he can afford. The Hebrews were a patriarchal people:
      If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, or her marital rights.
      Exodus 21:10
      according to Josephus and other Israelite historians the sex act was the beginning of the marriage, unlike in Babylon and other countries where you needed to have a certificate from the state to be considered “married”.

   3. Don’t forget that adultery can only occur when a married woman is involved, i.e. “your neighbor’s wife.” It does not appear to be the case that a married man fornicating with a whore is considered adultery. If you know otherwise, please let me know, I can’t find such a case.

      1. Do I really need to tell you how the Bible completely forbids premarital sex?

      2. Do I really need to tell you how the Bible completely forbids fornication in general?

         1. No I already know that . But fornication is not adultery.

7. Uhhhh yeah I’d like to thank God…. I’d wanna thank the lord God…
   

8. Reading the Old Testament is why I became a Laveyan Satanist.
   Sending bears to tear 42 kids to shreds for making fun of a bald guy doesn’t sound like a loving and caring god that I want to follow.

   1. But God did it out of “love” 😉

   2. 42… the answer to life, the universe, and everything. 🙂

   3. Sounds like God loves and cares for bald guys! 🙂

   4. The lesson here is, even little children are expected to be respectful to their elders. And not get together into gangs and attack strangers.
      This is the story he is talking about:
      2 Kings 2:23,24
      23 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
      24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

   5. And what would have happened had the 42 kids been left to live.
      They’d have grown up to be 42 assholes. The world is better off without them.

      1. God’s the biggest asshole of them all.

   6. It sounds like the God that Lavey would respect.

   7. A wiser fellow than myself once said “Sometimes you eat the bear, and sometimes the bear, well, he eats you..”

      1. There you go with that syntax stuff again…

      2. Is that some kind of eastern thing?

   8. Maybe God knew that those 42 children were going to grow up to be literally Hitler.

   9. Why is everyone so intent on god being loving and caring? Always seemed odd. Also, if you are reading the bible for literal meaning it is obvious that you would join some dumb hippie cult. I guess everyone needs something

      1. My “dumb hippie cult” has never been the cause of war.

         1. Fair enough. You need to be more relevant and less ridiculous to be a cause for war. For example, the classic 1991 Bobcat Golthwait film Shakes The Clown also has never been a cause of war.

9. As you read the New Testament, you may come to the same conclusion as many others; the universal morality and teachings of Christianity aren’t found in it. The New Testament taught the Old Testament Law as its basis, without change. How did Christianity become like it is today, so different from the New Testament? Shlomo Pines found some documents from the original Christians who explained what happened. http://loveandtruth.net/the-original-christians.html

10. The Old Testament was written by and for the Jews. It was never supposed to be the book of everyone, until Constantine made it part of the rule of law.

    1. No. It was meant for everyone who can understand and appreciate wisdom.
       Deuteronomy 4:6 Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.

       1. More exalting of the Jews. Another repetition of the constant ‘chosen people’ narrative.

    2. Utterly ignorant statement. There wasn’t even any such thing as a “Jew” until well along in the story, for starters.

       1. Israelite, Hebrew, Jew, Semite. Synonyms for a 1000, Alex?

          1. Those are not all synonyms.

          2. Israelite – direct descendents of Israel (minority of Jews)
             Hebrew – Descendents of Ebron (father of Abraham)
             Jew – (((people)))
             Semite – Peoples of the Middle East and parts of Africa and Asia (Excluding the Japhethite Ashkenazis, ironically)
             Surprisingly to modern goyim, not synonyms.

    3. Constantine adopted Christianity and made it the state religion, he never adopted OT laws.

11. Old testament= Law. And watching people fail it miserably.
    New testament= Repentance —> forgiveness–> Grace.
    Hope you keep in mind this isn’t one of those books you read through once and get the gist.

    1. An incorrect, however common reading. It has been faith all the way, from the beginning. Look more carefully… Paul explains this well in the NT. Also note the Sanctuary sacrificial system- a faith based method completely, and typifying with animals what Christ would fulfill personally. We can only and ever be saved by faith through grace. There is no such thing as salvation via our works (as the basis). Obedience is fruit, not root. Effect not cause.

       1. Actually I’m in full agreement with you.
          Just thought I was saying the same thing.

          1. I suppose you could say the OT Jews were trying to do it by their works- and that is why they failed.

       2. The Law was brought to crush us and reveal our sin so that we might cry out for a savior.

    2. I said the same thing about a quick read though. Very true. Keep in mind, grace doesn’t do away with the moral law, only the law contained in ordinances fulfilled by Jesus. The Greek word “nomos” translated “law” in the NT has more than one definition. It can have one of several applications depending on the context of the verse. The 10 commandments are just as applicable today as they were in the OT. Puritan minister Samuel Bolton (1606-1654) summed this up very well when he said, “The law sends us to the gospel for our justification; the gospel sends us to the law to frame our way of life.” Also the apostle Paul:
       “Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law.” (Romans 3:31)

12. We live in a depraved, pro-sodomite, feminist, communist, cucked society filled with human trash that chooses to use its brainpower to rationalize its own self destructive behaviors.The “rational scientific mind” has failed.

    1. It succeeds for about 80 years and then withers away forever. Those who believe in (insert-your-brand-of-flying-spaghetti-monster) and are encouraged to sow children via the teachings of that spaghetti monster will continue until either the next gigantic meteor destroys a huge chunk of Earth, a major Volcanic winter occurs, or the Sun’s gradual expansion disintegrates the planet.

       1. Our sun will fade away like a dying lightbulb. Earth will freeze and everything on it will die.

       2. Well then one should just end it now to avoid sickness, old age and a slow, senseless and painful death.

    2. Dont you love how leftists think theyre, “progressive” ? This human behavior has been around since the dawn of time, multiple religions agree on the common sense life patterns of harlots, gheys, and shitlibs. I loved Roosh’s article on tidbits from the Quran, especially the morsel of beware a beautiful woman from a sleazy background as you would food from manure i.e. produce fertilized with shit.

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       2. Link to the article please?

          1. Does Ancient Muslim Wisdom Have Answers To Modern Western Problems?

          2. Ty

    3. Brilliant. The “rational scientific mind” believes there is no God, while accepting that existance came from nothing as perfectly rational.

    4. Incidentally, the moral rot seemed to coincide with our kicking faith out of the school system.
       When you’re a young man who’s full of piss and vinegar, you might get the impression that God makes a lot of rules simply to be a cosmic wet blanket. When you get older and watch the news on television for a few minutes, you realize that maybe He really does have our best interests in mind.

       1. I read a comment on how someone pointed out the fact that they won’t allow a bible in school but encourage them in prison while ignoring the fact that if they had read it as a child they might not be in prison today.

       2. Great comment.

       3. To prevent moral rot, we should makes students recite the Quran daily.

          1. Or better yet, wipe their asses with it.

          2. And the Bible, to be fair.

    5. “Rational scientific mind” just means, “fallen reprobate man” enshrining his own sins. Same tired story playing out again and again throughout history.
       I always find it interesting how political “science” is. Actual science always agrees with the Bible but most scientists ignore it. Even though the Bible is most historically and archaeologically accurate work ever known to man. It has consistently beat down every “scientific” skeptic who ever challenged it for thousands of years and even converted many of these skeptic scientists into believers.
       Not to mention other areas of study into our universe where science is always catching up to the Bible.
       http://eternal-productions.org/101science.html

       1. We learned how to do vaccines and antibiotics from the Bible.
          Truly, it is a fount of scientific wisdom.

    6. Wrong. The rational scientific mind has succeeded. The degeneracy, sodomy, cuckoldry, and ugliness is a feature of the rational scientific worldview, not a bug. Science “proves” there is no God, and if there is no God, there is no truth, beauty, right, wrong, meaning, value. Everything is just particles randomly smashing into eachother. We’re just dumb animals and our planet is headed for extinction when the sun explodes.
       Of course I am a Christian now and have truth, beauty, and meaning in my life, but I wasn’t always.

       1. Of course, if you look into it, true science has more evidence conferring the existence of God than disproves. our mainstream “scientists” are all illuminati pawns.

    7. we do. not just in the west. the east is too free/too liberal now too. its all fucked up. everywhere. the only group that has control of its women is the middle east. mad respect for their male/female relationships. if it was really up to me, i’d put my girl in a fuckin burka anytime she leave the house, and she wont be able to leave unless accompanied by me or someone i approve of. the arabs got something right!!

    8. detracted is more like it.

13. “‘How can you say, “We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD,” when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely?-Jeremiah 8:8

14. Roosh, I respect you greatly, but you are out of your wheelhouse here.

15. I think it’s pretty interesting how every time the Jews stop following Gods Laws as a nation, he puts them in subjugation to an enemy. Then, when they come back to his moral teachings, they free themselves and prosper. Pretty funny how basically the same thing is happening today. The society as a whole used to be much more moral, and stable. Today adultery, unborn child sacrifice, ludeness, gluttony and many other kinds of evil are outright encouraged and the country is going down the shitter. Soon to be split between Islam, Mexico , Russia (Alaska only) and maybe China gets Hawaii.
    So basically the warning was there for anyone whom cared to read it. But patriarchy bad so that warning was just outdated.

16. It’s kinda like the Koran.

    1. no it’s not.

       1. Yes it is.

          1. no absolutely not, Gil.

          2. Joshua was a warlord like Mohammad.

          3. thats like saying Moses was a man so was mohammed and buddah. so the religion is the same.

17. Judaism, Christianity and Islam are ancient sandn!gger tales. If you’re not a Semite, then I don’t know why you should follow one of these ‘religions’. Just because your ancestors were forced to worship a Jew called Jesus doesn’t mean you have to do the same thing.
    The only reason Christianity became big is because it was forced upon people. The same reason Islam got big. It’s not that they first thoroughly read the Bible, discussed the pros and cons of following this magical Jew, and then decided whether or not they wanted to become a Christian.

    1. Christ wasnt a sandn!gger despite modern propaganda. Nor was Cleopatra an egyptian. All modern PC revisionist BS

       1. Oh? What was he then? Black? European? The only Europeans known in the Middle East during that time were Romans and Greeks. And Sub-Saharan Africans in the Middle East were more likely slaves than normal citizens.

    2. Religion gets kooky the deeper you dwell, but the age old wisdom Roosh mines from the simple surface is always 1+1=2. As above, female free will burns your ass & oh looky here a false rape accusation. Sad and amusing because look at how 2016 has yet to see this light in every Motel 6 nightstand…youre the SON for recognizing the centuries old Captain Obvious

    3. I would tone down with the whole sand nigger lingo. Christianity was also taylored to appeal to the pagan masses who still clang on to ancient beliefs.
       I’m not keen on religion but much more inclined to look up the old gods than desert based religions.

       1. Christianity is at least for 95% based on a culture that was prevalent in the Middle East during that time. And almost all the people living in that region were Semitic people, which makes it a Semitic religion.
          Christmas and Easter are said to have pagan influences, but the rest of the religion is definitely Semitic in origin.
          Pagan Europe had warrior cultures and their gods resembled the forces of nature. This was completely different than the Christian view of life.

    4. So, are you a neckbeard atheist, or one of these Neo-Odinist fuckwits?

       1. Tearing down someone’s philosophy does not indicate that the assailant has his own philosophy with which to replace it, sadly. Some people just want to watch it all burn.

    5. 100% of the freedom you enjoy is the direct product of the Protestant (Christian) reformation/revolution. You’re just too ignorant to understand and appreciate that.

       1. What? Maybe it brought freedom to YOUR ancestors, but not to mine. You know, your Germanic/Celtic/Slavic ancestors who contributed nothing to the world, because they dedicated their lifes to useless tribal warfare and they didn’t know any form of civilization, until they copied the Roman way of life and later the Christian way of thinking.
          And you can’t change a religion. If you believe Christianity teaches the real rules given by ‘God’, then you can’t start a revolution and change these rules. That’s what the Protestants did. If ‘God’ teaches that a woman should follow her husband, then you can’t change it to women are equal to men or a woman can do whatever she wants. Then you have a corrupted form of religion.

18. Glad you’ve picked up the word. Get yourself a good literal translation like the NASB. It’s modern language and a literal translation. Some major errors in your commentary. Quite a few, and I’m talking from an academic standpoint, but I’m just gonna focus on the major one because it will run long. This is an academic correction. I’ve inserted no Christian doctrine or interpretation. Fairly common mistake you’ve made, so don’t feel bad, but without proper understanding of this you will not understand the Bible, Christianity, or Judaism.

    Christians have a special place in their hearts for Jews, because Jesus
    was a Jew and they accept that God originally chose them as His people. . .

    Jesus was not a Jew. He was a Judahite of the tribe of Judah. God did not choose the Jews. He chose the Israelites. There is a world of difference between a Jew, a Judahite, an Israelite, and a Judean. Bible believing Christians do not have a special place in their heart for Jews and take offense to the dichotomous term, “Judeo-Christian”. There is no such thing. The watered down and heavily prevalent ideology called Judeo Christianity is a very modern creature. It’s swiftly on the way out as people abandon it around the country. Nothing like the brand of Christianity our Puritan forefathers brought to America.

    Things that we now believe as “common sense” are based on Jewish morality principles

    Jewish law is the Talmud. Biblical law is not Jewish law. It’s a common misconception that “Jews” practice the “religion of the old testament”. This is not true. The Talmud contradicts Biblical law and Moses at every point. The Talmud teaches studying the Torah (OT) means a person practices “only a little virtue”. “Real virtue” only comes from studying the Talmud in their belief. It teaches that the rabbis overrule Moses (and they do every time). The Bible clearly states, “you shall not add to or take away from My word”. Well, “taking away and adding to” sums up exactly what Talmudism is. The Talmud is the written form of what is called “the tradition of the elders” in the New Testament. Jesus came to lead people back to what Moses taught and away from what the Pharisees taught.

    He is always ready to enact death and destruction on those who stand against the Jews.

    The Hebrew word translated “Jew” isn’t even found in the Bible until the book of II Kings. Here again, you’re confusing “Israelites” with “Jews”. A Judahite, or descendant of Judah, is also an Israelite. Israel had 11 other sons such as Gad, Asher, Joseph, etc. All Israel is never referred to in the Bible as “Jews”. They are referred to as Israelites. Only the descendants of Judah are referred to when speaking of “Jews” in the Bible. Benjamin’s descendants, along with Simeon and the Levites with those tribes, are also referred to as Jews after the united kingdom of Israel split in after King Solomon’s reign. The southern kingdom was known collectively as the house of Judah. Jew is a horrible translation of the Hebrew word, “Yĕhuwdiy”. It means Judah not “Jew”.

    Not long after God freed the Jews from bondage in Egypt, . .

    Yahweh (God) freed the Israelites from Egypt. All 12 tribes were there not just Judah’s progeny. The word “Jew” is not in the book of Exodus or anywhere else in the Pentateuch.

    The OT has countless examples of the Jews behaving badly and God having to enact vengeance upon them. . .

    God judged all 12 tribes, not just the Judahites. I could go on because this misuse of the word “Jew” continues throughout the piece but these examples demonstrate the point. The difference between a “Jew”, an Israelite, a Judahite, and a Judean is very important. 95% of modern “Jews” are Ashkenazi Khazars. They are not even Semites. They descend from Shem’s brother, Japheth. The Khazarian people converted to the religion of Judaism in the 7th century AD. Before that time, there was never any such thing as what we today call Askenazi Jews. They are not the same people as the Biblical Judahites, Israelites, or even the Biblical Judeans, and they have no historical tie to the land of Palestine whatsoever. They are a Turkish/Mongolian background. The other 5% of modern “Jews” are the Separdic “Jews”. They are a mixed group made up of the Hittites from ancient Canaan land, the ancient Edomite Judeans such as king Herod and most (if not all) of the Pharisees of the 1st century AD, and the Babylonian Sephards. During the time leading up to the 1st century the Herodians, with the help of the Roman Empire, assassinated the last Judahite (NOT “JEWISH”) king of Jerusalem, Hyrcanus II, and installed their own Edomite (Idumean) kings: Antipater and his son Herod. History, archeology, genetic research, and a wealth of other information is readily available on this subject online:
    “Nathan M Pollock has a beef with the Israeli government. His elaborate plans to celebrate this September the 1,000th anniversary of the Jewish-Khozar alliance were summarily rejected…He has devoted 40 of his 64 years to trying to prove that six out of ten Israelis and 9 out of 10 Jews in the Western Hemisphere are not real Jews’ Jews, but descendants of fierce Khozar tribes which roamed the steppes of southern Russia many centuries ago. For obvious reasons, the Israeli authorities are not at all eager to give the official stamp of approval to Pollock’s theories.” – Leo Heiman, “The Jews That Aren’t,” San Diego Union, August 28, 1966.
    “What we can say for sure is that Jewish Y-DNA [male DNA] tends to come from the Middle East, and that studies that take into account mtDNA [female DNA] show that many Jewish populations are related to neighboring non-Jewish groups maternally. All existing studies fail to compare modern Jewish populations’ DNA to ancient
    Judean DNA and medieval Khazarian DNA, but in the absence of old DNA,
    comparisons with living populations appear to be adequate to trace geographic roots.”
    http://www.khazaria.com/genetics/abstracts.html

19. Comment section turned into a dumpster fire pretty fast.
    I was legitimately impressed with the social engineering aspects of the OT that I’ve read. I get why Machiavelli said the things he did about Moses now.
    Some of the smaller stories, especially in Judges, were very intriguing to me. I’m in Psalms right now, on my first real read through of the Bible.

    1. On its social engineering aspects, perhaps that is why Gary Oldman was so bent on obtaining a copy in Book of Eli.
       I’m never sure how to take anything Machiavelli expressed as he was a pre-internet “troll” who (in all likelihood) wrote his most famous work in an attempt to sabotage.

       1. Oh you got that impression? I’m not usually on board for faith-based movies, but that film was quite good. Audiences who are into those films deserve something a bit more thought provoking than what they’re used to.
          Its fitting that an entire psychological quality was named after Machiavelli. I think he has gotten a bad rap in many regards for being the founding father of political realism.
          I used to agree with the perception that he was a proto-troll entirely. That’s changed. But I agree with your point.
          He can bounce you around quite a bit, intellectually. That’s why I’m glad he made his mark on history. I really appreciate his stuff.

          1. I can’t say it was the impression that I got from the movie as, in the movie, I recall Oldman’s character stating that he was questing for “the book” specifically so he could use it to control the masses.
             I hadn’t put much consideration into his reasoning behind and soundness of his quest, chalking it up to his bat-crap craziness and perhaps real-world allegory. But this article reminded me of the film and had me thinking perhaps his plan actually could’ve been sound.
             E: As far as fairly-obvious “faith based films” go, Book of Eli might just be the best of ’em. IMO it’s definitely underrated.
             On Machiavelli, I have to say that I was disappointed that The Prince was effectively a self-help book. Given the hype/legacy, I expected far more than was there.

          2. It was impressive, wasn’t it? The directors who made it are really good at creating atmosphere in their films. Not only that, but it actually was thought provoking. We’re sitting here talking about it, after years of it being released.
             But when I watched it, I knew right away that character’s intentions. He was the oldest among all of the townspeople (except Tom Waits’ character maybe), he was trying to build a functioning civilization, but most of the people were simple. He needed structural support, beyond tough men to impose his rule.
             His psychopathic traits were contained, and he had at some point learned how to restrain himself and not waste his efforts. He kind of reminded me of an African warlord/president type or something, in how he carried himself, even though they were going for more of a western feel.
             I think Machiavelli deserves the same literary veneration as a Sun Tzu or a Musashi. He is the Western equivalent.
             If there was ever a book that needs to be read twice, its The Prince. Its best to read it one time entirely from the perspective of being “troll” material, and another time as sound guidance in political realism. Then, add some time and abstract thought.
             Maybe you’re just intellectually gifted, or more so than me. But man, reading that really opened me up consciously in a remarkable way. I started thinking in ways I never had before, or at least never actualized before and I could see the intent of others far more clearly.
             Nothing seems arbitrary to me anymore, politically. Absurd and stupid, or veiled well, but rarely do I see something when looking at a financial move, or a political move and say “that makes no sense” to myself.

20. I can understand sun-worship, or even invisible being-worship, but can someone please explain why the hell one would worship a golden calf?

    1. Personification of some idol. Its made of gold and gold has always had value. If you made a statue of something in gold, greater the effect.

       1. Because (((they))) like farm animals?

21. The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he, who in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother’s keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who would attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon thee.
    Blam blam blam!
    “Ezekiel 25:17”

22. I like to think of the fall from Grace as a metaphor, nevertheless a very good one. When an enlightened person eats the ‘knowledge of good and evil’, they start judging good from bad. Hence they are ‘banned’ from paradise. But not because God does not want them there or anything. They are still in it. They just don’t see it anymore, because they no longer non-judgingly accept whatever comes. In that sense, hell is the same as paradise – but viewed through a negative judgment.
    So, you could say, they gained ‘knowledge’, but not ‘truth’. And it actually does not say ‘to gain the truth of good and evil’, does it? It says ‘knowledge’. Now, mostly this is interpreted as ‘we got the knowledge and now we are superior’. The more fitting interpretation would be: ‘We acquired knowledge and through this knowledge, we are now blind to truth’.
    And it makes even more sense, when you think of how God comes and asks them why they cover their genitals. God himself (!) does not think there’s anything wrong with their sexuality. But they ate the ‘knowledge of good and evil’ and now they believe something is wrong with their genitals and they are ashamed of them. What was before a part of paradise is now ‘evil’ and ‘shameful’.

    1. “‘We acquired knowledge and through this knowledge, we are now blind to truth’.”
       The first two paragraphs suggest that you are becoming a Christian despite yourself.

       1. Oh. I don’t know. Maybe? I see some truth in the writings, but that doesn’t mean I necessarily think there’s anything ‘Christian’ about those truths. They just are. Also, I don’t think I generally share the interpretations of that truth.

          1. I think the tension / distinction between knowledge (of good and evil) and (the idea of) is most obviously a Christian one today, although that may be just a personal opinion. It probably has both platonic and hebrew roots, but elsewhere in western culture i.e. outside christianity, I’m not so sure people tend to make the distinction so much anymore. I think there are some mystical takes on overcoming the distinction between the tree of knowledge (of good and evil) and the tree of life in judaism, but I’m not that clear on that

          2. Well, that may interest you if you’re a historian. I am not. I frankly don’t even give a fuck. I just try (! not always successfully !) to look at an idea objectively and process it no matter where it comes from. It usually involves becoming aware of a tiny bit of conditioning, which is a little painful. But always rewarding, heh.

          3. maybe, but sometimes context matters. Some issues can usefully be considered on their own simply as issues, but I am not so sure they can always be fully understand outside of the circumstances in which they have been debated

          4. Well, that’s why I say it’s interesting if you’re a historian. Otherwise, there is no general need to ‘understand’ passed wisdom like this. Truth can be experienced and ‘understood’ without referring to antiquity.

          5. one route into philosophy is through the history of ideas. I actually think that in some shape or form that’s the best route. Ideas always have a context which helps situate those ideas, and a part of that is intuition that it is people who come up with and propagate ideas. In other words ideas are not always transparent. People do things with ideas, just like they do things with words, and philosophy etc considered in abstraction of that context is highly likely to miss what is substance of the issue or debate

23. I think it is important to remember the moral of the story of Elisha. Kids are fucking annoying and if they bother you you need to send a she bear to murder them

    1. I suppose beseeching God to restore his hair didn’t cross his mind?

       1. I’m firmly on team Elisha with this. She bear massacre is the most obvious response and totally proportionate

    2. Yeah, pretty much. Some of us are really sensitive about our receding hairlines.

       1. Yup. And kids fucking suck. I think 42 were mauled by the she bears. We should have a holiday

24. The Old Testament God was angry as fuck. But then again, look at some of the fucking morons he had to deal with.
    It reminds me of how I feel in the workplace

25. Hear-ye !
    Hear-ye !
    ,,Want to know how America came to be dominated by debate on the ‘marriage’ unisex or “desegregation” toilets?
    Early decay of Western civilization can be placed in a century ago.
    It all started with a group of ideologists of the communist movement in Europe, emigrated to the US. Today the group is known as the “Frankfurt School” and her ideas were perverted American society. Diktat ideological destruction of the family through the “marriage” between same sex is one of the most damaging its creations. ”
    Bonus point : Where does this evil come from ?
    I’ll give you a hint…KGB

    1. Our founding fathers will never be matched, a fresh continent with their red pill beliefs. Look at where straying from their knowledge has brought us.

    2. I put it further ahead with the Enlightenment, a movement of men raised in a Christian culture writing philosophy books striving to maintain the Christian values of charity, love, and kindess, but also striving to get rid of the teacher who gave us those values, Jesus Christ.

       1. Critical observation on your behalf.
          By teaching the values of charity, love, kindness, you start to master them, by mastering them, you can start manipulating certain elements like removing Christ’s laws and words.
          Example:
          Kindness
          Be kind to one another, especially if:
          (a) it’s a homosexual trying to persuade your kid to be friends;
          (b) it’s a muslim invader used to chopping people’s heads off;
          (c) it’s a politician known to have had connections with the mafia;
          (d) it’s someone who detracts the laws of God to make you docile in the face of the wolfs and killers;
          (e) it’s a wolf or a killer;
          Be kind to them, and surely you will start to see the walls of hell rise around you while you cringe your teeth and yell at God ,,why me ?!?!?”.
          You deserve it, you fucking puppet of a man, you fucking deserve it.
          You live in darkness, propelled by satan’s little vector helpers.
          Read the Scripture and live the life as a true Christian.
          Discuss the Scripture with people who will listen.

26. An introduction to the story of the Garden of Eden:
    God hates the nature He created, women are evil and deceitful slaves created from ribs, animals are all deserving of murder at your next possible convenience, snakes want to kill you (false btw) and God hates what you decide to do, even though He knew you would do it already.
    While you guys are busy teaching this kaka to your unfortunate future- republican children, i will take my as- of-yet unborn children to a country where education doesnt completely suck.
    Danke schoen!

    1. People have more knowledge than at any time in history. Your atheist, nihilist, feminist, leftist shit is what has destroyed the once mighty western empire.

       1. I am not any of those things, you blind name-caller

    2. What country is that, b00f00? Fuck a snake.

    3. Bon Voyage! You won’t be missed.

    4. Vegan identified…

27. The Old and New Testaments are essentially what is called “redemptive history.” It’s a story of how God saves His people. In the Old Testament, the law and the prophets looked forward to Christ while in the New, they look back at His life, death, and resurrection. “Laws” in the bible can be divided into 3: the ceremonial, civil, and moral. In the Old Covenant, all 3 are commanded by God to be obeyed by the Jewish people while in the New Covenant, the first 2 are abolished through the fulfillment of the law by Christ. A good analogy for understanding the concept of wrath and law in the bible is the idea of a warrior king. In the ancient world, if a King saved your tribe or village from destruction from another enemy, you become his slave. He gives you stipulations and covenants from which you must obey. If you disobey these laws, you are subject to his punishment which is forewarned beforehand: “You shall surely die…”

28. RoK take a look at mysticism, zohar book of splendor, book of enoch etc. Lots more as well. Their is hidden, esoteric interpretations of the bible.

    1. Good reads all of them! Book of Enoch especially.

29. Many scholars state that the word God/Deus is a bad translation of Elohim. In France several bible translators always use the word Elohim as in hebrew.

30. Love music can help Christians love other humans. https://soundcloud.com/popsalsa/sets/popsalsa-slow

31. A theme I learned from Dave Sim was that the OT has the young and rebellious being warned by the wise elders that a course of action should be averted, but being rebellious they nagged and cajoled until the elder threw up his hands and said ‘see for yourself then.’

32. “…so you don’t have to”
    But you should be encouraging men to read it. As the Bible says, it is fools that despise wisdom and instruction.

33. One of the things that people seem to mistake when approaching the Bible from a skeptical standpoint is that they assume that it should be read literally. But the OT is a collection of stories that had been passed down through oral tradition for generations. What happens with this type of storytelling is change. Embellishment and such are added to increase the appeal of the story itself but at the same time the underlying message is unaltered. There is so much metaphor and symbolism in the stories of the OT that to take everything 100% literally is a huge mistake. Reading scripture is a study not only in the scripture itself but in the context in which it was written. The history, culture, time period, writing style etc… The Catholic Church has a wonderful document on interpretation of scripture.
    In Dei Verbum, specifically Chapter III.
    http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19651118_dei-verbum_en.html

34. Excellent overview, but missing one very important point, Gods name. The God of the Jews and Christians and Muslims is not called God or Lord or Allah. Gods name was removed from most of these text to deceive people. Gods name is Jehovah.

    1. Really? How do you know, since they left the vowels out. (Deliberately.) Maybe it’s Yahweh.

    2. Looking at the etmyology it might be another way of saying ‘allah’ as the je is pronounced ya. And ya means oh, like oh God. Etc

    3. Yod He Waw He

35. The reason why woman ruins paradise and destroys civilizations is because she thinks that man built it all for HER. She cannot respect a man who does so much for a half-man (woman). It is the same reason why wives eventually lose respect for their husbands and why women get sexually excited by psychopaths who disrespect them completely.
    Disclaimer: Not all women are created equal. There are few rare creatures which are exceptions of the rule but the likelihood of stumbling into one is getting lower and lower.

    1. Nothing in Society or Nature functions according to its exceptions.

36. “The Bible” really just one single book, it’s actually a library of mythology, history, poetry, letters, etc. etc.
    Don’t read 1st Kings with the same mindset that you would read the Psalms or Genesis.

37. “I started reading the King James Version before moving to the New Living Translation,”
    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-LHi_9bhgfW8/TcM5YDQvtwI/AAAAAAAAAJg/fj90T01unkc/s1600/facepalm.jpg

38. Leaving my second round of comments on this article. The Bible doesn’t read like a novel so a read through can be considered an impression at best not an authoritative commentary based on any real study, experience, or scholarship. My comments are based on academic errors. I’m not inserting doctrine or belief. A non-believer and believer alike who appreciate facts and accuracy can confirm what I’m saying.
    Also, anytime anyone tells you, “I read it so you don’t have to”, red flags should go off. Especially in the area of faith or religion or anything based on moral persuasion. Always read for yourself. Don’t trust anyone, myself included, but fact check for yourself. That said, every Western man should read the Bible. It is the Western man’s heritage. It’s moral code shaped the Western Civilization all of the people identifying as “nationalists”, “patriarchs”, “alpha males”, etc. claim to love so much. The moral guidelines for how to establish or deal with patriarchy, nationalism, immigration, feminism, etc. are all contained in the Bible. Learn them, employ them, and improve the situation of your civilization. This is a beneficial endeavor for everyone looking for moral strength, not just Westerners. The return of kings will only take place with a return to the King of kings. On to comments:

    “The Old Testament is a book for Jews. . .”

    The OT is a book for Christians. The Bible contains Yahwehs’ (Gods) law. The Talmud contains Jewish law, which contradicts Biblical law, and is the book of the Jews. The primacy in Judaism of the Talmud over the OT, and that they completely contradict, cannot be understated. I also deal with the misuse of the word “Jew” in another comment, but worth repeating briefly here. A Jew, Judahite, Judean, and Israelite are different designations with different meanings. The OT Hebrew word “Yĕhuwdiy”, poorly translated “Jew” in English, means Judahite, a descendant of Judah. Judah represents 1 of the 12 tribes of Israelites. It does not mean “Jew” as we think of the word today nor is it ever used in the Bible to represent all 12 tribes of Israel. “Jew” is a horrible translation. If you know and understand this you know more than most professing Christians today.

    “What I quickly realized is that the legitimacy of Jesus depends on the accuracy and truthfulness of the OT.”

    Very true. The NLT is known as a “dynamic equivalent” translation of the Bible. The NASB is known as a “literal equivalent” translation of the Bible. It’s encouraged you look up the difference to see why the literal translation is superior. Also, the Hebrew OT used for translation in most Bibles is the Masoretic text. I’d recommend finding a good translation of the Greek Septuagint, which is the Hebrew Bible translated into Greek, and the Septuagint is the Bible that was used by Christ and the Apostles in the 1st century AD. It predates the Masoretic by over 1000 years. When there is a quote in the NT from the OT, the NASB handily WRITES IT IN ALL CAPS SO YOU KNOW. You’ll find these do not always exactly match the OT of your Bible, because they are quoting from the Septuagint, not the Masoretic, OT. I recommend the Orthodox Christian Study Bible, witch uses the OT from the Septuagint, and also contains the apocryphal (removed) books of the Bible.

    “For this “original sin,” Adam and Eve, along with the rest of humanity, were no longer allowed to live in paradise and were destined to experience pain, sin, misery, suffering, and death.”

    Eve’s judgment in particular was, “. . .Yet your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.” (Gen 3:16). The Hebrew word translated “desire” is from the root word:”shuwq”, which means, to run after or over, i.e. overflow:–overflow, water. Today we call it “feminism”.

    The OT was not at all lenient about sparing punishment. Christianity greatly softened this approach with Jesus instructing his followers to love their enemies.”

    This is a misconception. To think God was not “lenient about sparing”, you have to ignore all the OT proofs that speak of Gods “longsuffering”, patience, being full of grace and mercy, loving nature, and taking no pleasure in death (Ezekiel 18:23). These have always been His attributes even in the OT. There is one God of the Bible, not two. His moral nature does not change (Malachi 3:6). Christianity didn’t soften anything. In order for Jesus to be the Savior, He had to keep the law perfectly. If He “softened” anything, He would be guilty of breaking the law making Him a sinner, and He would have not kept the law perfectly. Christ taught His people to love their enemies, which is the same thing He taught them in the OT (Lev 19:18). Loving your enemies and loving Gods’ enemies are two different things:
    “Jehu the son of Hanani the seer went out to meet him and said to King Jehoshaphat, “Should you help the wicked and love those who hate Yahweh and so bring wrath on yourself from Yahweh?” (2 Chronicles 19:2)
    Jehu is asking a rhetorical question. The Bible actually teaches it is righteous to hate Gods’ enemies. If you love them, you bring God’s wrath on yourself. A simple proof of this in the NT is how Jesus dealt with the money changers at the temple and the Pharisees. At no point were His actions or words “loving” towards them, dispelling the myth yet again. As a rule of thumb, whenever Jesus starts out by saying, “You’ve heard it said of old. . . but I say unto you. . . ” He’s not talking about “of old” as in Moses and the OT, which Jesus staunchly taught, observed, and obeyed. He’s talking about “of old” as in the perverted teachings of the Pharisees which, at that time, were entrenched enough to be considered “of old” as they originated in the Babylonian captivity.
    God’s capital punishment against reprobate, wicked, unrepentant sinners is a good thing and righteous judgment. A wicked person who knows right from wrong but still willfully murders, rapes, and replaces moral laws with idolatry that condones such things, are a constant threat and plague on good society. Doing away with them benefits society because they can no longer harm innocent people and it sends a clear message to the “bad guys” to fear the “good guys”.

40. I’m going to be as blunt as St Jerome here, but if anyone tries to read the Bible from cover to cover, you’re an idiot. A valiant idiot, but an idiot nevertheless. You are going to fail, because you’re crossing several thousand years of history and more genres than modern literature is exposed to.
    Sorry Roosh, but you interpreted the Bible worse than even the Protestants, and they did it pretty bad over 400 years. This isn’t Lee Child or James Patterson – you don’t read it all in one swoop under the same lens. And blimey, I’m well read, but if you slogged through the books of Chronicles and Kings…. you’re a masochist.
    Anyway, here’s the real deal if you choose to try and read the Bible yourself (because the reality is you be hearing the Word in a Mass, and listening to the relevant sermon from the pulpit):
    The Bible isn’t made up of two books. The Bible is made up of 73 books. The Old Testament has 46, the New Testament has 27. You’re crossing vast swathes of history and genres in the Bible. If you can barely keep up switching between a Shakespeare play, Rihanna song, and Ingmar Bergman film in one day, woe behold the person trying to smash out the Bible.
    Anyone that’s looking seriously into reading it best start off with one of the Gospels. The best first choice is either Luke or Matthew, depending on whether you like to be informed in light of the Gentiles (Luke reads like a Greek hero story), or in light of the Jews (Matthew was written for the Jews who knew their history and religion). Mark rounds off your Christian education, and the the Gospel of John is next level theology reserved for last.
    Once you know the story of Christ back to front (and this is important, you literally live in a post-Christian world. It’s obsolete to start from Moses because Jesus reveals to you what the Jews were searching for thousands of years), then you read Acts of the Apostles, and the 21 epistles that round off the New Testament. That’s your basic biblical education.
    And once you’ve read the New Testament (don’t need to read the Apocalypse just yet, it’s too much for you), you can read the Old Testament to see how the long history of the Jews lead up to the point of Christ. The ‘Jesus’ story is literally everywhere you look when you leaf through the OT’s pages: The Flood, the Exodus, the fall of Israel, the destruction of the Temple etc, everything is a precursor to Christ’s death and resurrection.
    (This is also why it’s incorrect to say “You must believe in the authority of the OT first to believe in Jesus.” Incorrect, you must believe in Jesus first to believe in the authority of the OT. Yes, the universe is Christ-centric. Judaism has literally changed since the coming of Christ — temple Judaism, of which the Israelites had practiced, died in the first century when Christianity was born. Modern Judaism is about as limp as Protestantism, because they rejected Christ’s revelation. They even threw out 7 books of the OT because the Christians of the first were out-arguing them. The closest thing to Temple Judaism is, inevitably, Catholicism, as it fulfills what was set out from the beginning of time.)
    And once you’ve finished with Genesis, move straight to the Apocalypse, and you’ll see how it all ties together.
    Reading the Bible isn’t a summer project. You’ll end up on the wrong path like Roosh, who I pray tries again in the future, without the naivety we young men tend to fall into.

    1. You’re wrong.

       1. And thus, we have staged a metaphor for every splintering of religion into different sects and denominations, as well as every religious war in history.

    2. “…you’re crossing several thousand years of history and more genres than modern literature is exposed to… you don’t read it all in one swoop under the same lens.”
       Sorry, I thought the whole Bible was the inerrant word of God?

       1. Yes, it’s the inerrant Word of God. Inerrant means it is free from error. What it doesn’t mean is that it’s God’s own personal monologue from Genesis to Apocalypse. (In fact, there’s another supposed monologue of God circulating around. It’s called the Koran. It’s false)
          This is why it’s important not to start at Genesis, because you’ll mess up like Roosh has. Start with the gospels and the Acts of the Apostles which were written in the first century. Then, once you know the story of Christ like the back of your hand, you can read the Old Testament and realise what God was actually trying to say, instead of thinking it’s simply a story about a nomadic people who keep getting screwed over.
          By the way, a misreading of Scripture is why the Catholic Church isn’t keen on people interpreting Scripture of their own accord (and hence an historic aversion to the Bible being printed) — ignorant people will make ignorant interpretations.
          Bonus trivia: want to know why God writes through the lenses of history? Why he allowed Moses to write to the ancient Israelites, and John to the new Christians? Why did he just not dictate the entire Bible from Mount Sinai? That’s because God wants us to be a part of our own redemptive act: unlike Islam, Christianity requires us to freely accept submission to truth. Going to Heaven is voluntary (going to purgatory is voluntary), and going to Hell is voluntary. We’re not automatons in the Father’s universe. We’re actively partaking in the redemption of the world. Hence, the Bible is written by holy men throughout history, and it’s also at the same time the inerrant Word of God.
          That’s some next level biblical theology for you 😉

41. Just a suggestion: Perhaps the best way to understand the Old Testament (the various genres of the various books, the historical settings, the historicity of various events, etc.) and New Testament is to do your reading under the guidance of someone well-learned in such things who can answer your questions and provide insight. I believe there is a Catholic monk who has had articles appear on this site who could likely provide such guidance were you to ask for it.

42. The next round of my comments on this article. I’m grateful for the chance to address this subject and shed some prospective on it. There are a multitude of academic errors, as well as personal interpretations by Roosh, that do not stand up to academic scrutiny. Again, my comments are based on academic observations. The reader does not need faith or belief in the Bible to verify them. An intellectual interest into what the Bible does or does not say, and the ability to read a book, is sufficient for what I’m presenting. I do not argue doctrine of belief. Jumping right in:

    The OT God is a furious god. He is always ready to enact death and destruction. . .

    Inaccurate statement. To come to this conclusion, one has to ignore the multitude of OT scriptures detailing Gods’ mercy, lovingkindness, forgiveness, longsuffering, and love. A few examples:
    “Come now, and let us reason together,” Says Yahweh, Though your sins are as scarlet, They will be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They will be like wool.” (Isaiah 1:18)
    “Then he said, “Oh may the Lord not be angry, and I shall speak only this once; suppose ten are found there?” And He said, “I will not destroy it on account of the ten.” (Genesis 18:26)
    Do either of these verses, of which there are a multitude in the OT, sound like a God who is “always angry. . . always ready to enact death and destruction. . ?”. Obviously not. The only way to conclude such is a dishonest critique of what the Bible says or a misunderstanding. There are a number of examples of Gods’ anger and judgment in the OT, but within context and the timeline of the OT, are immediately shown to fall far short of “always”. Furthermore, when God does judge, we are given the example of Sodom and Gomorrah, where He let these cities go until there were not even 10 righteous men in the city before judging it. God’s judgment is always righteous, fair, and good. To try and equate His judgment to an arbitrary fit of rage a la “HULK SMASH!”, is simply inaccurate.

    If you somehow manage to escape punishment from God, he will punish your children and grandchildren:
    I lay the sins of the parents upon their children; the entire family is affected—even children in the third and fourth generations of those who reject me. But I lavish unfailing love for a thousand generations on those who love me and obey my commands. (Deuteronomy 5:9-10)

    The Bible teaches no one escapes Gods judgment. You made my next point for me in the verse you quoted, “But I lavish unfailing love for a thousand generations on those who love me and obey my commands.”. If a son or daughter continues to willfully participate in the wicked evil of their parent(s), then obviously the entire family is affected, or infected, with those sins and it is a continuation of the very same sins. To turn away from sin cancels out this family legacy. Every person is only accountable for their own sin:
    “Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin.” (Deu 24:16)

    There is no afterlife in the OT.

    Yes, there is. Two examples:
    “Then Saul disguised himself by putting on other clothes, and went, he and two men with him, and they came to the woman by night; and he said, “Conjure up for me [from the dead], please, and bring up for me whom I shall name to you. . . Then Samuel said to Saul, “Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up [from the afterlife]?” And Saul answered, “I am greatly distressed; for the Philistines are waging war against me, and God has departed from me and no longer answers me, either through prophets or by dreams; therefore I have called you, that you may make known to me what I should do.” (I Samuel 28)
    “If a man dies, will he live again? All the days of my struggle I will wait Until my change comes. “You will call, and I will answer You; You will long for the work of Your hands” (Job 14:14-15)

    Your neighbor sins continually and happens to be rich and healthy, but rest assured that he will be punished after he dies with eternal damnation.

    The Bible doesn’t teach this anywhere. It does teach to say what I quoted you saying above is to betray a generation of Gods’ children. Asaph deals with this subject, the apparent prosperity of the wicked, in its entirety in Psalm 73 and I encourage you to read it. Most pertinent portion:
    “When I pondered to understand this, It was troublesome in my sight Until I came into the sanctuary of God; Then I perceived their end. Surely You set them in slippery places; You cast them down to destruction. How they are destroyed in a moment! They are utterly swept away by sudden terrors! Like a dream when one awakes,O Lord, when aroused, You will despise their form. When my heart was embittered And I was pierced within, Then I was senseless and ignorant; I was like a beast before You.”
    The author of Psalm 92 provides a second witness among many more:
    “A senseless man has no knowledge, Nor does a stupid man understand this: That when the wicked sprouted up like grass And all who did iniquity flourished, It was only that they might be destroyed forevermore.”

    “There is little in the Bible about taking the initiative to start a revolution, overthrow your corrupt rulers, and take their wealth. You’re supposed to wait for God to take care of evil-doers instead of addressing the problem yourself.”

    Another completely incorrect assertion! Comments like this last one make me wonder if you read the Bible at all or are just trying to insert your own agenda into it. Below is just one of a multitude of examples:
    “And the king of Sodom and the king of Gomorrah and the king of Admah and the king of Zeboiim and the king of Bela (that is, Zoar) came out; and they arrayed for battle against them in the valley of Siddim, against Chedorlaomer king of Elam and Tidal king of Goiim and Amraphel king of Shinar and Arioch king of Ellasar—four kings against five. Now the valley of Siddim was full of tar pits; and the kings of Sodom and Gomorrah fled, and they fell into them. But those who survived fled to the hill country. Then they took all the goods of Sodom and Gomorrah and all their food supply, and departed. They also took Lot, Abram’s nephew, and his possessions and departed, for he was living in Sodom. When Abram heard that his relative had been taken captive, he led out his trained men, born in his house, three hundred and eighteen, and went in pursuit as far as Dan. He divided his forces against them by night, he and his servants, and defeated them, and pursued them as far as Hobah, which is north of Damascus. He brought back all the goods, and also brought back his relative Lot with his possessions, and also the women, and the people. Then after his return from the defeat of Chedorlaomer and the kings who were with him, the king of Sodom went out to meet him at the valley of Shaveh (that is, the King’s Valley). And Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; now he was a priest of God Most High. He blessed him and said, “Blessed be Abram of God Most High, Possessor of heaven and earth; And blessed be God Most High, Who has delivered your enemies into your hand.” (Genesis 14)

    1. The “no afterlife in the OT” thing raised my eyebrow as well. Even as early in the OT as the book of Genesis, there is a reference to an afterlife:
       “And all his children being gathered together to comfort their father [Jacob] in his sorrow, he would not receive comfort, but said: I will go down to my son into [sheol], mourning. And whilst he continued weeping…” (Genesis 37:35)
       The Hebrew word ‘sheol’ is used here for where one went after death (in the Greek Septuagint version of Genesis, the word is ‘Hades’; in the Latin Vulgate, it reads ‘infernum’). In Isrealite thinking, Sheol was neither a place of punishment nor paradise, but rather something like a dark pit where all went to await the coming of the Messiah.

       1. It caught your attention because Roosh doesn’t know what the Hell he’s talking about here (pun intended).

    2. You’re using the story of Sodom and Gomorrah as an example of God’s loving kindness? Seriously?? So burning all the children in the cities to death is “kind and loving” because He couldn’t find “10 righteous men”. Got it.
       Oh, and when does turning around and looking at something warrant the punishment of being turned into a pillar of salt.

       1. Well he loved us so much he destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah so that they wouldn’t spread their gay raping ways. I guess if you grew up unmolested in the ancient world you could thank God for that.

       2. Its the same as cutting off a gangrene.

       3. Right after God directly said “do not do that…”

43. The Old Testement can be viewed as a metaphor for our journey towards God. It’s the journey, not the destination. It’s a means to an end, not the end in itself. It is much like our own individual journey towards God: full of anguish, contradiction, misunderstanding, and failure.

44. As long as people perpetuate the myth that today’s highly race-mixed and MATRIARCHAL Talmudic”Jews” are the people of the OT they are doomed to failure.
    The ancient Israelites were a – if we should believe the OT and whom the apostles preached to – a whole smattering of patriarchal phoenicians, Celts, Germans, Persians, Scythians, etc.
    The Jews are descended from the Canaanites and Edomites who, according to the maccabean books started to infiltrate the Israelites religion during the 3rd century BC. Jesus called them the children of the adversary and said they have all the dead prophets blood on their hands.
    Paul and the other apostles wrote their letters to the seed of Abraham/Israelites in Galatia (Celts), Cappadocia (medes/White Syrians), Colossae (Scythians), etc. NOT to any “Jews”.

45. The OT’s legitimacy is found in the hundreds of Prophecy’s made in it that came to be truthfully fulfilled. One clear example is in Isaiah 53. Read the chapter and anyone will know it is clearly describing Jesus and the crucifixion. Funny thing is, that chapter was written nearly 600 years before Jesus was even born. That is just one chapter.
    It was also written before the ot was canonized and officially translated into Greek to be called the Septuagint… For all you nay sayers

46. Lot’s daughters get him drunk and f*ck him, very interesting…
    Btw, writers of Bible -> First Red Pillers

47. If these degenerate marxists were able to pervert the Bible, namely the Old Testament, we would not have 10 Commandments, but 10 suggestions…
    Also interesting, is that in biblical symbolic language, Israel and God form a couple, being Israel the women and God the men. Enough said!

    1. bang in ukraine is at the very same degenerate low level. that comes from the same root as feminsim: “lift yourself up do what feels good, do what profits you the most”

       1. You make sense. I never read it but i believe Roosh as passed that phase. However, “game” as we understand it today, is a reaction to how western women behave nowadays.

48. I can appreciate how, even after 2000+ years, the OT is spot on WRT human nature, especially female nature. To paraphrase Gen 3:13..
    “It wasn’t my fault! The snake made me do it! Waahhhh!!!”
    This is probably why feminists deride the Bible as “misogynist”.. because it cuts close to the bone, and they know it.
    But having said that, the OT is the main reason I don’t have faith in Christianity. This God character really is one of the douchiest individuals from all mythology. I mean, He commands His chosen people (Jews) to commit the most heinous crimes in His name, of which usury is the mildest.. mass murder, torture, rape, kidnapping, and infanticide (“smash the baby’s heads on rocks”). Oh, and genital mutilation.
    Then when the Jews have the nerve to stray from the diktats of their psychopathic benefactor, He visits even worse calamities on his beloved “chosen people”. And THEN He sits there and wonders why they rebel against His commands half the time! (Sorry.. I thought God was supposed to be all-knowing??)
    For an example of how this God is a hateful, remorseless despot exhibiting all the symptoms of BPD, one need look no further than the book of Job.
    Frankly, this shit might be funny in a Conan movie (“crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women”).. but personally, it’s not what I’m looking for in a spiritually enlightening belief system.

    1. he does not command the jews to rape. he commands rape from the pagans. But yes God creates evil he says so multiple times. you act like he is denying that. Is God not allowed to do what he wants? should he ask permission from you, an american crybaby?

       1. I’m not American. Now fuck off.

          1. .

          2. but you are still a crybaby

49. The bible was written by jews to weaken Rome & the gentiles. Get over it.
    http://www.resist.com/Natures_eternal_religion.pdf

    1. you can find pro arguments for every opinion on the internet. whatever you personally prefer you will find.

50. “We read it so you don’t have to but you should definitely read bang in ukraine and free speech isn’t free from Roosh V the most wise”

51. A couple things:
    1) the “Jews” of today are not the true Israelites. Research the khazar conspiracy. Also look into Frankist sabbatean cult, Zionism, synagogue of Satan (Rev.). These are your stenimans, soros, rothschilds, cuckerbergs, alinskys, Bernays…etc etc.
    2) Christians who have a “soft spot” for Jews are what we call churchianity, cuckservatives aka your establishment republicans. If they aren’t part of the food chain, then they’re useful fools like the libtards.
    3) the garden of Eden is to have existed before “biblical times”. Think of this as beyond the space and time continuum. Once they defied God, their dna became corrupt and they were cast out to the physical world with sin.
    4) some say, that the Babylonian and occult societies have influenced the tribes to incorporate Elohim as the the “God” of the NT. The true God the father is called Yahweh/Yahuah/Yahawah. So when Yeshua came, he was to abolish the unattainable laws set by falsely led (lost) tribes of Israel. So that whoever confesses with his mouth, he is lord, shall have eternal life, aka be born again as an Israelite. A true Israelite, not the Zionist blood state of the queen of England.

52. Very interesting points. But I’d like to do an observation about this part:
    “The Bible has the first written record of a false rape accusation.”
    Some scholars think that the story about Potiphar’s wife is a copy of a even much older Egyptian source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tale_of_Two_Brothers

53. you failed to grasp the importance of the book of Jonah.
    was Nineveh Goy or Jewish? Goy.
    so Jonah, a Jew, was sent by God to preach repentance to a Goy prince / city.
    and Ninevah did repent, and was spared by the “Jewish” God.
    and what was Jonah’s response? rage that God did not destroy those who had repented.
    Jonah is a picture of historic Jewry, his mission to Nineveh is what God wants the Hebrew people to be doing.
    in addition to the asymmetric Usury laws, Slavery likewise is practiced differently depending on the race / nationality of the slave.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_slavery

54. “If there’s a rule in the OT that Christians don’t have to follow, it was “fulfilled” by Jesus”
    This is a summary of my whole beef with Christianity. Not just because it’s an error in consistency, but it goes against the word of Jesus Himself, who said, “For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.” Matthew 5:18
    If that is so, why do Christians worship on Sunday, and not Saturday (the Sabbath)? Why do Christians disobey the dietary law, and fail to keep the Feasts? It’s such a joke, the divide between Judaism and Christianity in the way they practice. The faiths should be indistinguishable in one thing only – belief that Jesus is the Messiah.
    Judaism has its own issues of course (any adherence to the Talmud over the Torah, for example, is bullshit). But as a Christian, I shake my head at the assertion that we shouldn’t be doing these “Jewish” things.

55. A man almost dying lays sick on his bed. Jesus administers unknown medicine to sick man and takes care of him. Man recovers health.
    People that don’t understand medicine: “Jesus raises man from the dead”
    Misinterpretation changes a lot.

56. So, why even bother to comment?
    On atheism, there is no objective basis for even ascertaining truth; there is no immaterial aspect to consciousness and all mental states are material. Therefore, everyone who ever lived and ever will live could be wrong about a thing. By what standard would that ever be ascertained on atheism? Also if atheism is true, there is no objective meaning to existence and no objective standard by which the ‘rational’ world view of atheism is more desirable, morally or otherwise, to the ‘irrational’ beliefs of religion. Ridding the world of the scourge of religion, so that humanity can ‘progress’ or outgrow it, is not a legitimate response to this because on atheism, there is no reason to expect humanity to progress or grow. We are a historical accident that should fully expect to be destroyed by the next asteriod, pandemic, or fascist atheist with a nuke. In short, if atheism is correct, there is no benefit, either on an individual or societal level, to knowing this or to spreading such ‘knowledge.’
    Related to this, why is the atheist debater even alive to participate. If there is no heaven, no hell, no afterlife at all, only an incredibly window of blind pitiless indifference, then the agony of struggling to exist, seeing loved ones die, and then dying yourself can never be outweighed by any benefit to existing. As rude as it way sound (and I AM NOT advocating suicide) the atheist should have a coherent explanation for why they chose to continue existing. Failure to adequately address these threshold questions should result in summary rejection of the neckbeard’s position. In the end, we all know you can’t answer these questions because yours is a petty, trivial, localized, earth bound philosophy, unworthy of the universe.

57. Allow me to suggest you have ignored the Torah and Prophets in light of history. History has proved the Torah and prophets accurate.
    Israel becoming a nation after 1900 years according to the Torah and Prophets of which no other nation has in the history of the world demands study as Sir Isaac Newton wrote about.

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