How Being Beta Can Make You More Attractive

Quick…what’s your response when a chick asks you: “Are you gay?”

A) “No! Of course not!”

B) “No way! I’ve slept with hundreds of women!”

C) “I’m against homosexuality!”

D) “Oh tooootally. I’m actually a gay porn star. You’ve seen my website, right?”

If D was your answer then congratulations. You’ve passed a shit test favorite of many of today’s Ameri-cunts. If you went a step further and added that the line should be delivered in an overtly sarcastic tone with a devilish grin while maintaining eye contact with your target until she answers your question, so you can tease the shit out of her for whatever silly answer comes out of her mouth and then quickly change the subject, then you, my friend, have got the makings of true player.

Shit test to be deployed in 3….2….1….

Men here know that exhibiting beta traits is demonstrating low value (DLV) which subsequently de-moistens the southern regions of the fairer sex. The earlier this occurs in the set, the more damaging this is to your chances of bedding her.

This is not exclusive to pickups, ONS’s, or FWBs. This also applies to LTRs. Granted, you get a little more wiggle room in relationships but failing a shit test administered by your woman only encourages her to dole out more that will increase in frequency, intensity, and complexity. Continued ineptitude in dealing with them will inevitably lead to the messy end of your relationship.

There is, however, a time and a place for strategically exhibiting beta traits and believe it or not, it will make your woman even hotter for you if done the right way.

“Wait a minute…why would I intentionally betafy myself and to what end?”

Fair questions. The next three sections will explain what beta game is, the conditions necessary to run it effectively, and a few examples of beta game in action which will include a couple of my own personal stories.

Keep in mind that this is next level game. This will take practice and lots of it. There will be some who are able to pick up this technique rather quickly but by and large, this will not be easy to master. But when you do, the benefits will be well worth the work. Trust me.

What is beta game?

Beta game is the act of strategically allowing a woman to discover a perceived vulnerability or weakness you do not actually have. This creates the illusion that you can be tamed—giving the rabbit a carrot to chase of sorts.

It’s no secret that girls have always loved the bad boys (as they’ve been consistently shitting out their offspring for eons). They also know these alpha cads are far from sexually loyal which doesn’t make for optimal husband or boyfriend material.

But they just can’t help themselves so they jump into love affairs with these players anyway being fully aware of the peril that will likely ensue. The vast majority of women would rather be cheated on by an alpha than worshiped by a beta anyway so as far as their hamsters are concerned it’s worth the risk.

As men, we now know and understand that we are the true romantics. At some point even the most seasoned cassanova will lock a girl down if he falls for her because that is in our nature. I’d be lying if I said I haven’t been kicking around the idea of giving LTR status to a girl I’m currently seeing and I’d all but sworn off anything close to a relationship a long time ago.

….the fuck???

I know, I know but look…as cool and exciting as it is to sleep with different women, the fact remains that game is fucking hard. It takes a lot of time and resources to regularly bed girls that aren’t land whales are less than desirable. If your approach to lay closing ratio is 1 out of 10 you’re a god even though you’re failing 90% of the time.

So a little respite in the form of an LTR can do a man good and give him a bit of a break from the grind of game, provided he’s exercised good judgement in selecting his girl and has laid the groundwork properly.

Even then, things can still go horribly wrong and unfortunately a long term relationship is one of the few things in this world that can bring a man to his knees. In order to reduce the odds of being unraveled by a woman, we utilize certain strategies to keep this from happening—game.

If you’re a regular diner at the red pill buffet, you’re intimately familiar with the standard game tenets of keeping a woman chasing you. There are a few unorthodox techniques out there that work (depending on the girl) but one method that doesn’t get as much copy as it deserves and has proven to be quite effective is beta game.

Why beta game?

Though they won’t admit it, women adore men they cannot change or bend to their will. They’ll bitch and complain that “he doesn’t [insert bullshit] enough” but they stick around because a man they can’t control is a man they can respect and love.

However, when you strategically and intentionally give her the slightest glimpse of what she will characterize as a “redeeming quality” (I’ll explain this later) her attraction to you will skyrocket. When done correctly you become her drug for which there is no rehab. This is how effective calculated beta game is.

Girls want to be with men who do what they want, when they want, without apologies or explanation. But she will relentlessly chase a man to the ends of the earth if she sees even slightest chink in the seemingly impregnable armor she’s futilely tried to penetrate in the past.

Of course she doesn’t really want to change you and you don’t really possess the weakness or vulnerability you have led her to believe that you have—but she doesn’t know that. Further, she doesn’t realize that if she is successful in her endeavor to civilize you, it’s game over; for a tamed man is an unattractive man.

But the continuous pursuit of the impossible fuels an inextinguishable fire that will burn within her so long as you do not cave into her demands or what she thinks she desires.

The necessary conditions for beta game to work

1. You must be alpha from the start

For calculated beta game to be effective you must establish and maintain your dominance, high value, and abundance mentality from your very first interaction with her. There is no margin for error here. You have got to be 100% congruent.

Beta game will have positively zero impact if you have failed multiple shit tests or if she detects even trace amounts of anything resembling symptoms of oneitis. Women have no interest in chasing a carrot they’ve already eaten. You’re already a conquered mountain in her eyes so more of the same will give her more reasons to cheat on you if she isn’t already.

2. Show…don’t tell

This is absolutely paramount for beta game. A common phrase black women like to spew is: “Don’t talk about it…be about it”. This is one of the few things I agree with them on and it’s intrinsic to beta game. The reason for this is simple: disclosure comes off as seeking sympathy; discovery will be characterized as a redeeming quality to her. Huge difference in her mindset by just keeping your mouth shut and letting things happen naturally.

For example, instead of telling a woman “I just love children!” like most betas do (which only her beta bucks radar picks up) show her. This particular brand of beta game is straight up chick crack as you’ll see in one of my anecdotes below.

3. Don’t stage anything

This where congruence pays off. Staging phone calls, or “chance” situations (like the movie Hitch) to build attraction will blow up in your face if your target learns your meeting is orchestrated (which will probably happen as women are born with a supernatural ability to sniff out things like this). Not only will your value plummet but you may actually lose the girl.

Hitch working on staging a “chance meeting.” This only works in the movies.

My high school baseball coach used to tell us “let the game come to you.” Same concept here. Simply be ready if and when the opportunity presents itself as opposed to forcing the issue.

A couple of personal examples

Old Man Peterson

Several years ago I was washing clothes at my complex’s laundromat when I heard someone yelling. I took out my earbuds and looked around but didn’t see anything. So I put my buds back in and continued folding clothes.

I heard it again.

This time I turned off the music and walked outside to see a very elderly man on the ground surrounded by his groceries which were sprawled about.

He’d lost his grip on his walker, fell, and couldn’t get to his feet. I helped him up and walked him back to his apartment which happened to be right across the hall from mine. He thanked me and invited me to stop by later for a drink which I accepted.

Turns out the guy was a Vietnam War veteran and one of the coolest people I’ve ever met in my life. He was a great story teller as he relived his adventures while we both laughed and sipped our Cutty Sarks. He’d been married twice and was quite the rascal with the ladies. His liver was shot from a lifetime of drinking but he didn’t give a shit. He knew he was on the back nine and nothing was going to stop him from enjoying the little time he had left.

The old man’s poison of choice

His multiple back surgeries and severely arthritic knees earned him disability, but as we all know that monthly check is barely enough to make ends meet. I was as broke as a joke back then but I really wanted to help the guy out. So I decided to give him half of what I got for donating plasma every week which was roughly $30.

It wasn’t much but it was the least I could do. He was always appreciative and paid me back in liquor and wisdom. Far as I’m concerned it’s me who came out ahead in those transactions.

Anyway, one evening I was hanging out with my girlfriend when he came over to return the card the plasma money was loaded onto after donations. He usually just said “thanks” but this time he thanked me profusely for helping him out in his time of need and that he wished the world had more people like me and so forth (the sly old bastard still had a little wing man in him).

When he left, my girlfriend spewed all sorts of hyperbole about my character and my heart of gold and how that attractive quality was lost in today’s man. She was all over me that night and her behavior substantially improved over the next few weeks.

This worked out beautifully because everything was already in place and when the situation arose, it worked to my advantage without me having to push the agenda.

Granted, I got a little help from a veteran player who was cognizant of the scenario and helped me out (he later asked how that night went) but the fact that I wasn’t jumping at the chance to impress her made all the difference in the world.

Things like this had happened to me before but being unplugged and having a deeper understanding of women and their id helped me become aware of the power of beta game.

Adventures in babysitting

Two Christmases ago my sister and brother in-law came west to spend the holidays with me. Aside from their shopping and holiday preparations they wanted to do some gambling and maybe get into a bit of foolishness.

They have three young children (10, 6, and 4 at the time of their visit) so nights out on the town were a luxury rarely afforded them. I’ve never been much for holiday shenanigans so I was more than happy to watch my nephew and nieces while they headed downtown to indulge in the bright lights and casinos and enjoy a few kid free nights.

One such evening, a girl I had just started dating stopped by after she got off work. My nephew and I had a blast playing Halo while my nieces watched and enjoyed the spectacle. Afterwards we ate our weight in Christmas sweets (Uncle Donovan was always the cool uncle because “you let us eat all the candy we want!”). We all laughed and had a great time while my girl looked on with a dreamy look on her face she couldn’t get rid of.

After I put them to bed my girl ranted and raved about how great I was with kids and how I’m going to make a wonderful father and how my kids are going to love me and so forth. We had crazy sex that night and it continued for quite a while.

Girls of all notch count categories eat this shit up.

Once again this little event changed our relationship for the better. She became more unselfish between the sheets, made more of an effort to look good for me, made herself available much more often and even took to cleaning my apartment when she came over. All of this was in an effort to push for an LTR, which she eventually verbalized.

Funny thing is, this girl had just turned 21 and made it very clear early in our courtship that she had no interest in having children or settling down (verifying the carousel ticket she no doubt received in her teens) which was fine by me. Yet, when she saw me interacting with my sister’s children she stepped into a phone booth and turned into Supergirlfriend.

A few other examples

One girl I had over saw a group picture I had on my bookshelf. When she asked who they were I told her they were some people I volunteered at a shelter with. “Awwwwww” she said as she picked up the picture and swooned. I could almost see her hamster working overtime painting me as some admirable philanthropist extraordinaire.

Volunteer work is great beta game (…and no, that’s not me)

Another technique that works well is carrying a picture of your mother in your wallet. Girls foolishly believe that a man who treats his mother well will treat women “well.” When they catch a glimpse of that picture they assume that you hold her (your mother) in high regard which will, in her mind, elevate her status on account of the myth they’ve been fed about men treating their significant others the way they treat their mothers.

This blog (which is solid fucking gold and should be read by any and every male in the western hemisphere) is a great example of beta game in action:

One of my friends is dating a 10. I mean a perfect, jaw-dropping, every man and woman in the club stops in amazement when she walks in 10. She’s a 5’9” half Latina half American Indian fitness instructor with a tiny waist and large natural C cups. Dear god almighty it hurts just thinking about her.

A few weeks ago we were all hanging out in a club and she was leaning in talking to me. She said “I wish Jeremy would just settle down. We’re too old to be out clubbing like this.” She’s 26 years old, by the way.

Thinking there was no way in hell I’d ever get her to leave my buddy – her 6’3” Abercrombie & Fitch model lookalike boyfriend, I decided to try a different approach on her. I tossed out the game, the negs, the framing, etc. and simply said:

“I agree. We really are too old to be partying like this. I’m really at the point in my life where I just want to settle down with a woman I love, have a family, and enjoy the next phase of my life. I know it sounds strange to hear a man say this, but I think I’m finally ready for a baby.”

Her eyes dilated. She put her hand on my elbow. With her boyfriend not ten feet away (albeit looking the other direction ordering more shots) she leaned in to me and said “You know, you’re a good man. If I wasn’t with Jeremy, I would so be with you.”

Then she kissed me half on the lips/half on my chin and smiled. She waited a few seconds to gauge my reaction. I said nothing. I just looked at her. She said “We’re always in a group. Why don’t we just ever hang out together? We can do some grownup stuff like check out a museum or see a show.”

Beta game works, gents.

In Closing

Here’s the essence of beta game summed up in one image:

Get the picture?

Showing women faux flashes of the man you “could” be and then quickly taking it away triggers a reaction in their brain similar to the dopamine rush that rom com fantasies give her. Teasing a woman with what she wants after giving her a taste drives her crazy with desire which leads to her stepping up her efforts to keep you around long term.

It’s important to remember that things like frame, congruency, and the organic presentation of your endearing quality are all key to successfully switching on your target’s acquisition mode in earnest. If you’re a beta schlub or come off as a try hard this isn’t going to work for you. Period.

Be careful though. This has the potential to turn your girl into that crazy ex if you dump her. Once a woman has it in her mind that you’re the one who will fulfill her wants and needs she’ll stop at nothing to reign you back in which could bring a lot of unwanted drama into your life.

Other than that, the upsides to CBG are well worth the effort. Any other ideas for calculated beta game out there?

This article is dedicated to my good friend,

 Sergeant First Class Theodore F. Peterson, Jr., United States Army

Rest in peace you crazy son of a bitch.

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183 thoughts on “How Being Beta Can Make You More Attractive”

  1. this seems far too complicated, with little to no upside. the take-away message of this article is: “you must be alpha from the start.”

    1. You lost the bang. You got offended by a girl, showing her you could not handle her shit test. Plus you were genuinely hurt by her seeing you tried to insult her back.

      1. “You lost the bang.”
        No shit. I rejected it long before she became desperate enough to try to throw herself on my dick despite the rejection.
        I was genuinely getting her to crawl back into whatever fetid hole of whatever fetid hold she crawled out of.
        I also reject hardtack and watered rum, because I can.

    1. A chick asks if you’re gay because she has failed to get your attention.
      In other words, she has been trying to get your attention.

        1. “Unless you really are acting gay . . .”
          In her solipsism rejecting her IOIs is acting gay.
          It couldn’t possibly be because she’s over 50, has the morphology of a walrus, a butch cut, an anchor tattoo and all the social graces of a rabid badger.
          She’s a fucking fairy princess.

        1. Haha. My fastest turnaround time is 30-45 minutes from meet to sheets. Maybe you’re right. I’m not worried.

  2. Complete. Bullshit.
    Being beta gets a man nowhere.
    Some of the recent articles here at ROK have become crappier: the one on why american women are ‘not so bad’ and the other on why ‘older women are not so bad’ and now this shit…

    1. “why you should give fat women a chance”, due for tomorrow. An article praising single mothers is also in the pipeline. /sarcasm

      1. Yup. Followed by another article entitled “Why It’s Ok For Straight Guys To Suck Cock”

      2. When ROK ran the story with the headline Embrace The Sausage Fest, I wondered if the cunts at xojane were submitting stories as ghost writers as a joke to see what they could get away with.

        1. That, or inexperienced young guys raised by single moms who try to find a compromise between the red pill and the blue pill in their writings. It’s a form of cognitive dissonance.

        2. “That, or inexperienced young guys raised by single moms who try to find a compromise between the red pill and the blue pill in their writings. It’s a form of cognitive dissonance”

    2. The author is incorrectly describing “beta” as not being a selfish asshole and helping others. You know, what real men do.

      1. edit (sorry I think I misunderstood you before):
        The author is saying “Beta game is the act of strategically allowing a woman to discover
        a perceived vulnerability or weakness you do not actually have.”
        He is saying to act like a little bitch every once in a while because that supposedly makes women like you in the “long term” way.
        He is taking sex life advice from girls. Number one rule of the red pill/manosphere: do not take sex life advice from girls.

    3. “Being beta gets a man nowhere.”
      Sure it does: Broke, walked all over, used, chewed up and spit out, ignored at the girl’s convenience if she finds something “better” to do, bereft of pussy, heckled behind his back…

    4. At the very least this article is promoting 2 VERY BAD ideas…
      1.) For the less experienced player… feigning beta husband material is likely to have you wind up there…. If she thinks you want a kid, then you won’t mind an unexpected pregnancy will you ?
      This is walking on very thin melting ice, with a polar bear chasing after you… don’t underestimate a woman’s desire to breed… or the universe’s ability to land you in situations you were ‘asking for’.
      2.) For the hardened player you are engaging in a sick mind game that might be fun, but later leave you feeling like a two faced piece of shit, or turn you into a cold hearted sociopath.
      remember – who lives by the sword, dies by the sword, in the second case you are baiting your own sword for a harakiri.
      I’d rather be true to myself ……. they can like it or fuck off…. If I think the kid is a nasty little brat, or I want to fucking party all night, so be it. I ain’t gonna butter up some bitch with lies, just because she’s ovulating and feeling the nesting urge.

      1. Definitely thought about your second point. Why jump through all these hoops to trick a girl into liking someone you’re not?
        I guess for a ONS, I could understand, but that will come back and bite you in the a so hard later if you ever run into that girl or her friends.
        Game us not about being someone you’re not, it’s about being the best you and taking advantage of opportunities.

        1. exactly…. if you are not true to yourself, then where do you stop ? why not strangle her and fuck her corpse… it will probably last a couple of weeks in the fridge…. then you can go get another one…. of course i am joking to demonstrate the point…… 🙂 but the slippery slope has no edge….
          as soon as you start puffing up with BS, you are on it… by all means play with her sisters young kids or rescue her cat from a tree, but only do it because you care…. if you don’t give a damn then say it however you see it….

        2. Agreed, or maybe you don’t care but want to be a decent person. An alpha male doesn’t always have to “go his own way”. Sometimes you do your duty, and that’s all there is to it.
          An alpha male who does his duty to society is respected the world over by everyone. He doesn’t do the right thing with the expectation it will get him laid. He does it either because he is the one who has to do it, or, sometimes, just to make things easier and avoid ridicule.
          If you’re doing good deeds in the hope of getting laid, you are going about it ALL wrong.

      2. I lived by #2 for a long time. Always knew when to pull the chute. I felt bad here and there, but whatever. They always would say I was too good to be true. Probably right

      3. I think at this point there should be some kind of criteria about articles as well as criteria of the writers. Some previous articles sound like were written by 16 year old boys.

    5. I think like everything good, this site has quickly succumbed to the need to pander for ad revenue; hence the shit articles that are popping up here daily.
      I’ve been reading this site since the beginnng. It has changed dramatically for the worst.
      Nothing good lasts forever.

    6. well I wouldnt say its bad the american woman article, they do suck but foregin women have their own problems and many men here online tend to over look it. They both have thier strengths and weaknesses and need to be shown.

  3. Wtf is this shit ? Roosh can you please proof read these articles in case of gayness before they are published.

    1. Gayness is a fantastic tool to bed girls. WHO THE FUCK would expect the supposedly gay guy to sleep with his GF? If you aren’t secure enough in yourself/your sexuality to not care about being branded gay then you need to work more on your inner game.
      I remember one of the old school PUA going out in gay club to meet girls.
      I hope you don’t think a guy wearing a pink shirt is automatically gay.

      1. Most guys – unless they’re complete retards – KNOW when a guy wants to fuck their woman and wouldn’t buy the gay thing for one second.

    2. I think Roosh lets the duds slip through because quite often in the comments section someone steps up to a stinker with an excellent rebuttal which, in two or more paragraphs, provides a hundred times the value of the original article. That, or like Anti_Femastasis has done here, takes the piss and provides a few good yucks.
      Silver lining.

    1. Not the best article, but there is value in the overarching message: that vulnerability, from a position of strength, can be very seductive. in that sense calling it “beta game” is a misnomer.
      strategic vulnerability can be very useful to the player, boyfriend or husband–that’s the take home message.

  4. How the hell did this get approved for RoK? Did Roosh go over to the other side? There should never be any “Beta game”….ever. Be a man. Don’t lower yourself to such gimmicks. If you’re alpha and confident, you’re fine. Only the fat cock-blocker will dislike you.
    And if a woman is asking if you’re gay…something tells me it’s not just some shit test.

    1. I have a good friend that’s Filipino, he’s a slim guy, definitely straight, but not very masculine though. Unfortunately for him girls always think he’s gay when we go out.
      It’s not a shit test if a girl asks you that. So if the author of this article has been asked that question multiple times, maybe he’s unaware of how girls think of him.

        1. Yeah, people that aren’t agreeing with it are either
          A) Unable to read and comprehend it
          B) Keyboard jockey virgins
          C) Drunk

    2. Sometimes it can be a woman playing provoke and respond. She’s basically asking why aren’t you flirting with me? I might not respond the way the OP did about the gay porno.

      1. Exactly. His response is just the fundamental agree and amplify approach that everybody learns first when learning game. It works alright, but it’s not for everybody.

        1. He could have responded better or differently. For example:
          If I don’t find a woman who can make me feel like a man tonight, I don’t know what’s going to happen.
          Why do you ask, are you looking for a guy to play with your ass?

    3. yes, no man should ever express anything less than complete dominance.
      every man should stand firm and be ALPHA ALL THE TIME!
      That means that you are all now my bitches!
      You may now marvel and submit and grovel at my superior irrefutable logic, maggots

    4. You have missed the point (likely induced by the not-so-great writing). The “beta” acts he refers to are in reality the simple altruistic acts that men do because it makes us feel good, not to get laid (but getting laid is a side benefit). We are the romantics. We help people with no ulterior motive.

  5. Actually ran this back in the day and it works pretty well. It’s like making a mix tape for some indie girl because you “can’t convey your feelings through just words” Only problem is you can get caught up in the vulnerability and emotional side of it or else you’ll just be fucked and feel like a pussy. As like 48 laws of power say “gotta play a sucker to catch a sucker”

  6. Interestng info. But that guy in the story isn’t a “buddy”, or you wouldn’t be using him to bang his girl.

  7. May I make suggestions for more articles?
    * “Why it’s better to date single moms”
    * “50 new ideas how to have hot sex with girls who have cellulite”
    * “Escaping the friendzone by wearing women’s clothes”
    * “Win a girl’s heart… by crying”
    * “Dating women > 60 — The manly thing to do”
    * “Strengthen your relationship by sharing your girlfriend with strangers”
    * “The fastest way to impress her, her mom and(!) her grandma: Be a White Knight!”
    * “If you are a real man, don’t do that paternity test.”

    1. “10 ways fat girls provide more cushion for the pushin’ and can even double as a bomb shelter”

    2. As long as we are making fun of the title, and I don’t think the article is that bad, here’s a title I hope to never see:
      “How gay game can improve your chances with women”.
      You just know it’s going to be cocks.

    3. Have to say, I missed the part where anything in that article is “beta”. Helping out a Vet, looking after your niece and nephew and bullshitting your friend’s girlfriend… not really “beta”.
      I look after my niece and nephew because I like it and so do they. Why the fuck wouldn’t I do that?
      Furthermore, how and in what way is starting a family, (i.e. growing up) beta?
      I would classify beta as subservient behavior. None of the above is subservient if it is your choice to do it.

      1. I had the same thoughts. If I’m with my niece and nephew and a girl happens to be around, it’s not like I’ll stay all stoic, posing, just to show the bitch what a bad motherfucker I am.

    4. Hahahahaa. The reason I’m crying right now has everything to do with the dude in the picture being a beta.
      Ahhhh, that went great with my coffee. And exemplified what I was thinking.

  8. I think the author is confusing “beta” with “kind” and “altruistic” which should be traits of any real “alpha” to begin with. If you are living your life just for yourself, you’re a selfish, greedy child and (quality) women can smell that a mile away.
    Anecdotally, the many hours I have volunteered, done community service or just helped a friend/neighbor have helped get me laid many times.

  9. Another good one: suck off a friend and sext the photo to all the women you know except your mum

  10. How about no? I’d rather die 100 times burned,shot at and drowned than going beta.No amount of pussy will convince me to do that

  11. How is helping an old man or babysitting your nephews beta?
    This article needs to be deleted

      1. Also @disqus_bjRQP77l7N:disqus I like Sharp’s articles, and there are kernels of truth here. He says dangle the carrot in front of women about the man you “could” be then take it away after getting what you want. You’re simply acting, masquerading. And you guys know DAMN well woman are pros at doing this, so why not just do it better?

        1. or just dump them after a few weeks of sex and get another one. Why have to continually do this, it only wears you out after a while.

        2. “or just dump them after a few weeks of sex and get another one.”
          Sure, okay, WHATEVER you decide is how it is. Same way they roll. Think they ever give a fuck about your wants/needs/feelings? Guess again. Try parting the seas while you’re at it!

    1. Apparently any act or thought that doesn’t fall into “the dark triad” is considered beta now.

      1. Pretty much. Keeps you ahead of the pack, a wolf among the sheep. As long as you can generate adequate income to both survive day-to-day and also enjoy your life and are intellectually astute and physically well trained and rather intimidating, that should suffice. You’ll be surprised how much respect and obsequiousness people without all of the above give you then.

        1. Yeah, but without any altruism or magnanimity, you’re just kind of a worthless, mooching shithead who gets laid every once in a while. We who fancy ourselves enlightened about the world need to be and do better than the unenlightened proles.

        2. You are way more optimistic than me. How often do you read about MGTOWs and enjoying the decline in the manoshere? How often do you see the dark triad celebrated? It seems to me that there are a large number of bros following this advice and only trying to use it to get laid.

        3. I don’t use it to just get laid (and I do a decent amount, I’m not going to lie and say “all the time”, but I am content), I just do it because I generally can’t stand people, especially where I live. And I’ve lived here over 30 years. Before you say “So move!”, well, it’s cheap, I live like a king in a fifth-floor loft Downtown making just over $50k only and all my exercising (weights, yoga, judo, wrestling, and boxing) are all at different places (I don’t do buffet-style corporate gyms) and cheap too with good talent, so I stay for what I gain and benefit and how I make myself happy without regard for others. They do the same, just following their lead. Pretty impossible to reset a set precedent. I have all the good, loyal friends I need that I would jump in front of a bullet for already and I travel often so I can go visit “cooler” places anytime, but to move would mean struggle and giving up my cushy life here, and, yeah, not happening.

        4. There’s the rub, if you act altruistic only to get laid, it doesn’t work. As the author tried to point out, you have to be doing it because you are secure in who you are and it is what you want to, not what you think will impress some skank.

  12. –First off, the CH link in the initial paragraph is gold.
    [See: ]
    –Second, those dissing the article aren’t doing anyone a favor. From the general negative commentary I’ve witnessed, it is apparent none of you read the article, instead jumping to the conclusion that Donovan actually suggests acting like betas will get you women. He explicitly states (multiple times) that the goal is not to reveal actual beta-tendencies, but STRATEGICALLY reveal fabricated “beta traits”, AFTER solidifying your character as an alpha. The article makes a clear distinction between portraying yourself as a beta, versus applying “beta-game”. If you cannot understand the difference, then do not attempt to apply these tactics (in the words of the article, “this is NEXT LEVEL GAME”). You first establish concrete alpha character with a girl; only then can you apply the methods described. You must see the distinction between “playing” beta and “being” a beta.
    Women obviously do not want betas. The article is titled “How Being Beta Can Make You More Attractive” (suggesting beta-traits can CONDITIONALLY improve attractiveness), NOT “Being A Beta Is Attractive”. There is great value and wisdom to be taken away from this article. To receive it, you must first give it a fair chance.
    Great article Donovan. Keep up the good work.

    1. Yeah I’ve been wondering who is showing up to ROK hating on basic game concepts like Push-Pull. And the author very clearly demonstrates, how his beta game resulted in more pussy, better behavior from that pussy.

      1. push-pull is about being cocky/funny being interested in a woman, giving her proper attention and then pulling it away so she craves you. It has nothing to do with cleaning her car or watching the nephews.

        1. Cocky funny is something else completely. Pushing is more than just taking your attention away, for example teasing or negging..and in a LTR its doing some beta things(adjusted optimally to the woman). Its also a little bit of that feeling she has you..just before you sleep with her sister.

      1. I don’t understand this phenomenon; it appears there has been an influx of bitter whiny-babies to the RoK commentary recently. Instead of reading articles with the intent of discovering knowledge, the intent is finding one or two points they disagree with (or twisting the words of the author to fabricate a point they disagree with), then claiming the article is worthless in a puff of emotion.

  13. I love you Ms Single Mom with 3 kids from 2 different dads. In fact, here’s my life savings, I’ll open up a fucking daycare for all the side-action kids you pump out while we are together.

    1. read the tidbit in the article that nullified the rest of it, or made it irrelevant :
      “But they just can’t help themselves so they jump into love affairs with these players anyway being fully aware of the peril that will likely ensue. The vast majority of women would rather be cheated on by an alpha than worshiped by a beta anyway so as far as their hamsters are concerned it’s worth the risk.”

      1. You’ve missed the point of the article completely in order to continue your mission to post “cute” comments on every article about how you think this site is stupid. The whole article deals with staying alpha and strategically placing beta undertones to pull at her heart strings. Either leave or read what the man’s writing.

        1. her heart? her heart also wants a new house and a new car too. Who cares about their heart ? I just care about my dick.

        2. I’ve seen guys who’ve read volumes of this type of advice on PUA forums, only to be confused and overwhelmed in the presence of actual women.

        3. Perhaps they should develop reading comprehension skills as noted by the large, bold, and partially underlined disclaimer that reads as such:”You must be alpha from the start”

        4. the author admits that being alpha gets you laid. What else do you need? Go for what you want? the pretending only works for so long, usually temporary anyways.

        5. In this context pretending was a poor choice of words. I believe he choose this word to avoid the backlash which he’s getting now. This was a poor choice because it seems that all beta acts performed were of his own choice.
          My take away from this is: males who perform altruistic actions benefit from increased sexual performance in women during on-going relationships.

        6. if a loose battery cable touches a tranny, she gets hard, and pits her rubber seals on the inside, then you’re screwed.

        7. these guys believe we should be using manual reset circuit breakers and fucking push the button 10 times per day.

        8. sometimes they get loose, just like when a trannys rod slips out sometimes from under her seals.

        9. When it flips, find new. Treat the breaker like a blown fuse. Go back to homo depot for more

        10. because after all we are betas now and should run to homo depot to keep the hamster wheel turning and the new house she wanted in working condition.

        11. mA? Some wheels can power the hypothetical warp drives that NASA is mulling over, the kind where they say it’ll take a whole fucking star.
          And still have juice left over to recharge 1 million iPhones.

        12. milliamp, to trip and cut that shit off quickly. 20% safety factor included per NECA and IEEE

  14. moral of the story is that, the relationship will only last a few weeks to a few months once she figures you out.

        1. I’m getting to that point myself. I was trying to find a good source of game advice when I stumbled on this site. I’d rather just read the comments; it makes my day.

    1. Find me a gay man who gets cuckolded by a surrogate mother and you’ve met the biggest chump on the planet.

  15. Alright I totally understood what the author is getting at here, and it’s kind of sad to see that so many don’t get it.
    It was stated that to play beta game you have to be alpha first. And that’s true. Leave this to the pros.
    Beta game has its uses. It can be like a shaped charge where an ice queens barrier is concerned. If she has a weak spot then beta game in that one area alone might melt that ice.
    But keep in mind that a true beta is in fact a horrible human being because he’s expecting a “system” to land his goal. That is, he’s relying on the “I do good for her, and she’ll spread her legs for me”.
    This is dishonest and lame.
    So “beta game” would only work on the kind of woman who operates on the “I won’t spread my legs for a man who does not do anything for me”. For that kind of bitch, beta game is essential. And properly applied and cut short at the right times will have her wrapped up in her own evil. It’s woman like that, these “weights and measures” for everything women, who feed betas. These are the ones who will have the beta changing a diaper when he gets home from work simply on the notion of “it’s his turn”.
    They feed betas because they are the other end of the “be a white knight get rewarded with pussy” paradigm.
    They need to get thrown under their own bus once in a while just as much as betas need to end up being friend zoned for their entitlement mentality.

    1. I think that the word beta throws most of the readers off. In the first story he didn’t act beta at tall. In fact quite the contrary, he saw someone who was in need and decided to help. That’s just being a decent person, an alpha would do the same. The second story sounded like he was enjoying himself with the younger members of his family that he loved, again not remotely beta. Admittedly I didn’t read the third story but based on the other two he was doing something that he enjoyed. This is not beta game at all. This is being a great human being game. Definitely worth a try for veterans but I suspect most game veterans do this sort of stuff anyway.

      1. Eh… I don’t know.
        I’ve been the chump who helps people and have discovered two things:
        1. the reason why people need help is because they got themselves in that situation by being stupid or by being a horrible person.
        2. they will not honor the help they got by using it to improve their condition and cease needing help.
        Once a friend of mine, who was wearing fedoras before we started making fun of wearing fedoras, had a boat that he used to get around when his road flooded. One day his neighbor looked like he was in some sort of distress and needed to get into town. So my friend went out of his way to help his neighbor, and during stormy weather too.
        Once in town the neighbor went and got cigarettes.
        I can say I have searched far and wide for the person who honestly and wholesomely did not deserve their crappy lot in life. I would have to conclude that only young children, babies, and dogs and livestock (within the domestic scope) could ever fit in that category.

    2. New believers tend to be dogmatic sometimes.
      When people start loosing their shit over semantics like its the fucking ten commandments, then a warning lamp should go of.

      1. Indeed. I’d say that guys are acting like women over this. Might as well start an AR-15 versus AK-47 debate.

        1. I would have to agree with the acting like women part.
          its kind of funny though, some of the reactions to this article is priceless, a bunch of whiny bitches really.
          the discussion part of ROK should be about debate, banter and think tanking not about this bitching and whining that has been going on lately. I have no patience for it and should be nipped in the bud.
          Hehe now i start doing it too, its contagious.

  16. “Once a woman has it in her mind that you’re the one who will fulfill her
    wants and needs she’ll stop at nothing to reign you back in which could
    bring a lot of unwanted drama into your life.”. I’m glad you added this because it’s very important and I’ve seen it firsthand. I get the point of the article and I think these things are fine if done very indirectly. Still i prefer being pretty straight with women nowadays after some major drama in the past. You’d be surprised how many will still want you as long as you exude confidence and charisma,

  17. I knew I was onto something when I brought a new box of tampons home from Wal-Mart and she couldn’t wait to try them out for me.

    1. you can impress the hot chick at the bar by telling her that your charitable work consists of performing
      Cunninlingus at your local Jenny Craig.

  18. I think the author made a mistake by using the word beta but I understand what the author is trying to get at. Women like random acts of kindness from a man that doesn’t seem planned. If you’ve already established yourself as an alpha an high value then showing a random act of kindness towards her or others that she didn’t expect or that you didn’t brag about will make he more interested in you, as long as it’s not overdone an you’ve established your alpha credibility first.

  19. I’m not reading this. I don’t come here to read BETA advice. Keep this up and I’m out for good

    1. Cause not reading something really helps you understand it. BTW beta was the wrong word to use… The article is essentially Law 32 – Play to peoples fantasies.
      That fantasy being a girls desire to convert an alpha to a beta and him giving her hop that it can be done. Actually read it because it is solid.

      1. If beta is the wrong word, why does the author use it?
        Stop defending this. The author messed up and anyone with half a brain could see what would happen if this article showed up here.
        Also giving feedback helps. If I didn’t read it due to a puss poor intro and title, a smart man would take the feedback and up his writing game.
        A weak man blames the “customer” for not potentially wasting his time giving something a chance. Not my job. Grab my attention or don’t. This author not only failed he turned me off to this site.

        1. Beta was the wrong word. Altruism is the correct one. But you are correct, the author blew this.
          What he should have stated was the law of attraction, which basically says like attracts like. Thus, being a good, high quality man is going to attract good, high quality girls. It’s a little ethereal and self-helpy of a concept, but its a good one.

        2. Agreed.
          Sure, the article may have been good. Just like a book on how to handle cock could actually be on how to sling it like a pornstar and not actually about taking it up the rear.
          People shouldn’t be shocked when folks assume the book is on gay advice.

  20. This reminds me of the last half of the tv show House. He spends the whole series being an asshole to everybody in his life, but a few moments of vulnerability (“Why do you have to negate things?!” “I don’t know.” [passionately makes out]) and bonding with Cuddy’s toddler, and she absolutely melts for him.

  21. “Are you gay?”
    A) “No! Of course not!”
    B) “No way! I’ve slept with hundreds of women!”
    C) “I’m against homosexuality!”
    D) “Oh tooootally. I’m actually a gay porn star. You’ve seen my website, right?”
    I am a honest kind of guy. I flat out answer B. If she doesn’t like it, then that’s too bad, I’ll continue to build the number with or without her.

  22. IMO if a girl asked me if I am gay, I would be quite turned off… I would not know if it’s in an insult or if she really thinks I am gay, but frankly, both are just as bad. I would probably ditch her.
    And I don’t really get the example of the hot latina either… basically, the guy gets friendzoned while she continue to bangs her douchebag, and she even invites him to go out with THEM.
    I think that article might be an elaborate troll job.

  23. It seems like the point of this article was lost for the keyboard jockey masses.
    Oh look he used the word beta hurr durr I’ve learned from the interwebs that being beta is bad!!!! olol!!!!
    What the author said is you should completely stop caring and you should stay stuff that seems detrimental to you but isn’t because it isn’t true. As long as you keep your frame you are in the game.
    You are basically alpha all the time but you consciously seldom show beta things just to throw off the girl. Plus it can be useful, you don’t go around throwing red-pill truth, it’s the ultimate turn off and can make you ennemies, you go around and do some blue-pill shit you don’t agree with at all but you do it because it fits the situation at hand.
    You act like you care about some beta stuff but you actually don’t, it’s very high level, it’s at the level where you are so confident in yourself it just does not matter what you do, it’s end-game PUA where you do whatever the fuck you want and you still get the girl at the hand. A made up weakness is an incredible technique.
    It’s like a guy saying he has a small cock. He’s interesting because who in his right mind would say that? He’s doing the opposite of what everyone else is doing and thus is interesting. He’s his own man enough to basically give the finger to everyone else but knows enough about game to make it work out in the end.
    It’s almost like trolling seduction, eventually you get bored and just do whatever and it will work as long as you are interesting/social savvy enough.

  24. How-being-beta-can-make-you-more-attractive…
    It won’t. Never has. Never will. Beta game DOES NOT WORK!!!!!!!!! 95% of the Western male population is trying it, and failing miserably with women I should add. But by all means, if you don’t want to set yourself apart from the rest of the lame ass losers out there, run your beta game. Go openly play with some fucking puppies and preschool kids, while strategically displaying your sleeve tats. It’s works in the movies, right? Fucking pussy. The moment you begin applying beta game in your relationship is the exact moment that your woman will begin contemplating discarding you like yesterday’s used tampon.
    Stupid article. This site has major quality control issues now.

    1. “4chan taught me to have a knee-jerk reaction to the word ‘beta’ so that’s exactly what I’m going to do!”

    2. The article is suggesting something more along the lines of:
      Kill a man. Then take his puppy home with you so it doesn’t go hungry.

  25. “which will probably happen as women are born with a supernatural ability to sniff out things like this”
    Nah. No intuition. No deeper understanding of psychology. No always being good at reading people.
    Just passive aggressiveness, hidden agendas and motivations, and always wanting to look through somebody’s phone or nosying around in their stuff.

  26. Supportive anecdote.
    1). Girl I am seeing right now, I gamed on the bus. Apparently, what actually turned her head to me was how I interacted toward a little girl when we were on the bus together once.
    2) our second date was at a live music show I perform at, with lots of time for schmoozing. The promoter of a charity event at which my band will be performing was at the show. Just a few days before, I was instrumental in his securing the single biggest corporate donation to the event. As far as he was concerned, I was god and he made it known. Since this was a kids’ charity, date was/is even more smitten with me.
    Then, of course, I play in the band.

  27. “Give thy thoughts no tongue,
    Nor any unproportion’d thought his act.
    Be thou familiar, but by no means vulgar;
    Those friends thou hast, and their adoption tried,
    Grapple them unto thy soul with hoops of steel;
    But do not dull thy palm with entertainment
    Of each new-hatch’d, unfledg’d comrade. Beware
    Of entrance to a quarrel; but being in,
    Bear’t that th’ opposed may beware of thee.
    Give every man thine ear, but few thy voice;
    Take each man’s censure, but reserve thy judgement.
    Costly thy habit as thy purse can buy,
    But not express’d in fancy; rich, not gaudy;
    For the apparel oft proclaims the man,
    And they in France of the best rank and station
    Are most select and generous, chief in that.
    Neither a borrower nor a lender be;
    For loan oft loses both itself and friend,
    And borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry.
    This above all–to thine own self be true,
    And it must follow, as the night the day,
    Thou canst not then be false to any man.”
    Be laconic, reserved, be fun but still have good breeding, loyal, strong and brave but not trouble-seeking, focused on self-improvement, well-dressed but not flashy, financially intelligent and independent, true to yourself, and true to others.
    In other words, Just Be A Man.

  28. Way too many people missed the boat on this one. When people say they didn’t even read it because of the title that’s a bad sign to be sure. I agree with one comment who pointed out a lot of men are dogmatic in their approach to the red pill and I would submit that this is most prevelant in new comers. With that being said the author could have used a better title to avoid keyboard gangsters and their ‘alpha all the time or nothing’ sentiment. Seriously though, the authors here should not have to spell eveyrthing out for everybody by using qualifiers and such. He explicitly stated that this is ‘next level game’ which I take to mean that you are already a vet in the game and your alpha foundation has to be laid for it to work which he again explicitly stated. This was a good article except for the title and its too bad readers don’t see it.

  29. Hahaha!
    Read the title and it made me roll on the floor laughing!
    *catches breath*
    Okay, now I’m going to read this article.

  30. Initially, my gut reaction was that this article was a crock of shit. However, since I’m not a woman, I read on because I know that gut reactions are not always right. I think there’s a lot of truth in this article, albeit it is for very advanced PUAs looking to perfect their game. This quote, from the article, sums it up:
    “Showing women faux flashes of the man you “could” be and then quickly taking it away triggers a reaction in their brain similar to the dopamine rush that rom com fantasies give her.”
    In other words, this is a technique to be used in very limited certain circumstances, hence “faux flashes”. If you open with “beta game”, you are done. If you run beta game before you have established that you are alpha, you are done. If you string together too many beta lines or actions, you are done. These techniques, as the article correctly says, have to be “flashes”. In light of this, I think the title of this article is wrong because you are not running beta game per say, you are giving very, very few hints of being a bit of a beta.

  31. I like this post.
    So it is assumed that even men with children inherently could have Beta Game. All they have to do is be alpha from the beginning and end, and let the children be their Beta Game.
    No wonder why I know of drug dealers and boss ass dudes grab the young and hottest and single (never married or had kids) of ladies , and these chicks do anything for these guys.
    Great article.
    So be Alpha with a dash of Beta. Got it.

  32. A guy actually gave me one of those shit tests once. The first time, I missed it, but then a few weeks later he decided to try it again. He asked if I had ever kissed a girl. I sheepishly said “yea”, the second time I assertively said “No, never in my life!”

  33. I havent really tried this directly, but I buy presents for my sisters from time to time and have considered mentioning it in context when gaming a girl. Poor bitch think shes gonna get a present. Nope.

  34. There is a small grain of truth her. Men who are too alpha can drive a girl away when they think they can’t change you. showing just a few small glimpses, can be enough to make them think they can control you, in otherwords, you put them in chase mode again.

  35. Hell no. Being beta was the worst thing that ever happened to me. Im not a true alpha but im better than before.

  36. To the first question I would answer = Sarcasm? (I would answer with a question). After that I tell her that I wouldn’t be talking to her if I was gay.

  37. RoK readers, you should be careful not to take advice from girls about sexlife. I think this writer has done that.
    Girls talk incessantly about how good it is to be “vulnerable” around women. They will say “you should open up and tell me about your problems,” and all manner of ridiculous stuff like that. We know this is bad game, but what is it about?
    Consider a second example: women trying to “talk down” to/about men they are attracted to. One specific example is the naming of powerful, attractive men as “cute.” This word is not the word you use to describe a man who you want to throw you down, bend you over, and bang the shit out of every hole. But women insist on using that word. Why?
    ***The common thing is that women are trying to disempower men here.***
    Why should they do that? Well, because they are anxious that the man in question has too much emotioinal power over them, and potentially might use/leave/ignore them, leaving them miserable. The battle of the sexes is always a battle.
    The writer is right about the general idea, though. You do not want to overpower a girl. You should show her respect, and be willing to help her get what she wants. Sometimes you have to stop acting like big shit, and start actually acting like you acknowledge what your girl brings to the table, so she does not fear that you are taking too much power from her.
    This is what women REALLY WANT when they ask you to “show vulnerablility,” but this is NOT what it actually means to “show vulnerablility.” It is another damn shit test, and the writer seems to be failing it. Or, atleast, he is not sharp enough this time to cut through the sludge of womanspeak.

  38. This article is 100% factual. 100 fucking percent.
    I accidentally worked this out about 10 years ago. Had a gf, her friends used to come over all the time and smoke weed and take drugs with us and listen to some of my latest hip-hop tracks (talking about bitches, and pussy and shit; no I wasn’t the rapper, just the beat maker). Then one day I picked up my guitar and sang the worlds most beta song to one of them and she went from ice-queen to fb in 3 minutes (the length of time it took to sing her the song).
    Another story: was on a film set for about 3 months, there were kids in some of the scenes. Between takes I would play cricket with them, or soccer, or hacky-sack or whatever. EVERY SINGLE FEMALE ON SET WANTED TO FUCK ME. No dilusions, they used to huddle in a group and just stare at me playing with their kids (with me shirtless, no less). And while I didn’t fuck any of the mothers, I did get to fuck the make-up chick.

  39. You should only do the beta thing when you know it will be a problem if your Alpha shows scared SJW how much of a bad ass you are. Even then, you really shouldn’t keep yourself around SJW’s and others who haven’t swallowed the red pill.

  40. I dont think being good with children and helping an old man are beta male portraits. to be good with children you must have leadership, be reliable, be tough and sensible at the same time. All portraits that a real man should have

  41. The Old man Peterson thing didn’t seem beta at all, it just seemed like it was an honor thing. Taking care of your Nephew and nieces also just seemed like you looking out for your fam. This all seems like balancing yourself, you’re not taking away anything and you’re not giving anything up.

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