Women say “no” to me in one way or another on a regular basis, e.g. “no, you can’t have my number”, “no, I should go home”, “no, I’m not coming into your apartment”, and of course, the classic, “no, we’re not having sex”.
Yet somehow, when it’s all said and done, the woman is invariably happy that I didn’t listen to a single word of protest she uttered; that I barreled through her resistance nonchalantly and drove the ball to the basket. Women RESPECT this sexual insistence even if they aren’t acutely aware of it.
The consent crowd, however, would like for men to believe that anything short of a written statement, notarized and signed by the soon to be fornicated party, is rape.
Women want to monopolize power in the sexual marketplace so that they can control access to sex and manipulate this most primal, most productive of urges to their benefit. Ultimately, it isn’t to their benefit at all but that’s another story. Perhaps it’s no different from Western men who go abroad to a country where their sexual value is much higher and pussy seems to fall from the sky. We’re all looking out for number one and doing whatever we can to pass on those selfish genes.
Ask any guy who’s banged a lot of girls and has had a lot of same-night lays, and he will surely regale you with tales of seemingly insurmountable resistance, conquered and slain by his resolve and unwavering horniness. It’s in the nature of beautiful women to resist, test, protest, sabotage and make your job of fucking them difficult. And of course, by the time you wrestle their panties off, they’re dripping wet.
With rape laws the way they are in countries like the US and Canada, it’s downright scary to be a man and act with natural disinhibition in the company of beautiful women in these countries. We’re at a dangerous cultural crossroads, where a woman’s need for validation is at an all time high, and the repercussions for accusing men of rape are non-existent. Do you see any potential for abuse with this cocktail?
In the modern context, rape is essentially the act of ultimate validation and a rape accusation is the ultimate act of attention whoring. I’m not supporting it of course, don’t be silly. But think about it. If a man finds a woman SO incredibly desirable that he would throw his freedom, reputation, his whole life away to fuck her, that shows the woman is on the highest echelon of desirability. And in fact, women have begun to routinely accuse men of rape purely for the ego validation that the onslaught of attention brings them. Even though the night before, they gleefully received the gent’s ravishment.
And why not? If a woman can have her cake and eat it, too, she will.
But I have to issue a serious warning: plowing through a woman’s objections with bemused persistence isn’t for newcomers to the game. Especially not in the US. You need to be FLUENT in reading female body language. You need to know exactly what you’re doing. The thing to understand is that telling a man “no” is a way to weed out the weaklings from the men who know what they want (her).
The best way to hone your sense about when ‘no’ means ‘yes’ is to have a lot of interactions with attractive women. And in particular, it’s when you go for the lay very soon after meeting a girl that she’ll be most likely to resist your attempts to get in her pants. This situation is commonly known as Last Minute Resistance or “LMR” for short (this is a situation I teach how to overcome in my newest book LMR Exposed). This is also about the time that you start fearing for your freedom if you push too hard and a girl flips out and sicks the law on you. A mere accusation is enough to screw up your life big time.
Yet the conflict of interest is that the most reliable way to establish a strong male/female polarity is to bed a woman quickly (and well). In a word, she wants to be persuaded by your dominance, sexual potency and persistence. And she will test you and do everything she can think of to discourage you from having sex with her.
Here’s the main thing to consider: She can be saying ‘no’ with her words and even with her situational body language. But if you’ve been unmistakably clear about your sexual intent and then she comes to your room, she is open to being seduced. Otherwise, she wouldn’t be there. I’ve had hour or more long battles with a girl who had come to my room and then protested that she wasn’t going to have sex with me. Hell, it just happened again yesterday. In the end, of course, we got naked. And, she appreciated it after the fact. If a girl isn’t open to being seduced she will either not come in or will precipitate hastily from your room. Anything short of that is a green light.
We’ve created a situation where this kind of natural sexual play, which is vital to establishing the dominant/submissive sexual polarity, is discouraged and tied up with various (legitimate) fears about potential consequences, even if you’ve done nothing wrong. It’s a brave new world we live in. But what are we as men supposed to do, drop out altogether? No. Proceed with caution but proceed. And if you can, get out of the Anglosphere so you can relax and get down to business without concern for your freedom. Your penis will thank you.
Read More: The Reality Of False Rape Accusations Will Require You To Make A Change You May Not Like
Actually, it’s worse than that. Many men today are so blue-pill conditioned that they’ll literally think that yes means no.
Before you ask, yes this happened to me.
the fucking fuck?
Wow, rape much?
Well, no one told not to! How was I supposed to know that rape wasn’t cool? I was sick that day they taught that at patriarch school.
Hey man that sounds like words to a song that could be sung with a gi-tar, real folksy ala Bob Dylan..”how was I supposed to know…..that rape wasn’t cool….I was sick the day they taught that…….at patriarch skooool….”
Reading comprehension problems. Nothing new here.
Reminds me of Louis CK
And no, it’s not that uncommon to the point that it’s at least fairly common and it’s all types of women.
“But if you’ve been unmistakably clear about your sexual intent and then she comes to your room, she is open to being seduced. Otherwise, she wouldn’t be there.”
I’ve had many girls come up to my bedroom who were supremely reluctant to have sex. As far as I could tell, short of copious drugs or alcohol (which I don’t use as such), there will be a lot of girls who come up to your room but won’t fuck. A much better barometer is if you can get her naked in front of you, she can be coaxed into having sex.
“Between a woman’s yes and a woman’s no, I would not venture to stick a pin, the difference is so small.” –Cervantes.
Hopefully he had more than a pin.
Everyone is just going to read the title, then scream rape. I’d much rather raywolf’s [url=http://www.returnofkings.com/23904/women-are-lying-when-they-say-they-want-equality]article[/url] go viral than this auto-reactionary one, there’s still good info here, but there is no way girls/white knights will read it all the way through.
I did. This isn’t about rape, it’s about men thinking they’re the dominant race yet again. News flash, they aren’t. And acting as such only turns females off from you.
All women want a confident, dominant man.
Sure, your typical new age hipster feminists might “want” a beta man but trust me, she won’t keep him long or cheat on him when an alpha gives her an inch of attention…
Oh my god you guys are all suck idiots! I feel sorry for you. Do us all a favor and stop being a stupid dick. Here are some tips: Stop generalizing women, it’s very unbecoming and it makes you sound like a total tool to literally anyone. Now, if anyone here is fucked up enough to use these tips, I hope that each of you get thrown in jail for a very, very long time. Now dearest Kirk, please go fuck yourself with a large, spiky dildo. Ciao motherfuckers
You’re talking about humans like they’re animals. We are not animals. Women don’t want a guy who can’t take a fucking hint, or thinks that no never actually means no. Women do not want to be in a potential situation where the man thinks it’s his place to force himself upon her. You won’t find a single female who cares how many other girls you’ve slept with, unless their response is negative. Women aren’t attracted to men who think they’re better than women! If they were, would we ever have seen movements against sexual discrimination and violence? No. We aren’t animals, living for sex. We live for healthy long-term relationships with one person, preferably. That’s the goal. In the end, it doesn’t matter how much you get around when you’re married and have children. Are you going to tell your kids about all the women you banged before your wife? I should hope not. Women want a man who is strong, yes. But they want that man to be strong in his love for her, and respect her wishes. They want a man who strongly supports equality and is strongly against sexual abuse. Sex does not equal love. Rape does not equal sex. Learn to keep your hands to yourself.
You are not a woman. Stop acting like you know how women think, because you don’t and you never fucking will. Let’s think of it this way. If the article was directed towards gay men, telling them to act in this exact manner towards other men, would you be supporting it? If the article claimed a guarantee that being aggressive turns every straight man gay, would you approve? Of course not, because it isn’t fucking true. It’s not a difficult concept. No fucking means no.
It’s not about that either.
Yes it is. At least, that’s how your fellow men are describing it. How then would you describe it?
Newsflash, we are. Everything you see around you was designed, built, and sold by a man. Every moment of your feminized, gutless, white knight life is possible because of the effort and brain power of a man.
Lol do not ever ask women or white knights for advice on how to get girls – they will give u white knight BS. –“Sure women hate bad boys… most bad boys are virgins” *sarcasm*
This is the root of my point. Absolutely none of that is true. And if you believe that bullshit, it’s you who needs to learn the fucking ropes in this world. People only believe that men rule the world because they weasel themselves into every higher up position that women are just as capable, if not more so, of holding. Success doesn’t depend on your sex, but on your intelligence. It never did. There are more women who have benefited society in one way or another than you can count, but we don’t learn about them because all the men have overshadowed them and written them out of history. Men always believed they were better when they weren’t, but that’s how it was, for a long time. Apparently it still is, and that’s sickening to me.
If I was so gutless as you say, I wouldn’t be able to control myself around other women like you beasts obviously cannot. As it is, at least I don’t have trouble thinking whenever a hot chick walks by. Seriously, who has the weak minds, really?
Newsflash, ending a wall of text with motifs ripped straight out of the modern reality TV lexicon makes you, like, totally right
Keep thinking that. Women are idiots. You are in your positions because you are “useful idiots” to Corpoarte America and the bottom line, because you are the gulllible consumers, and the easy votes.
Spineless, weak, herd-minds.
Women are legends in their own minds.
Maybe thats why you have slathered this comment section with your filth – are you sensing a turning of the tide?
That men are getting a little fed up with your bullshit?
over 80% of the slaughter houses in the US were designed by Temple Grandin. A WOMAN you ignorant dipshit.
and since you are not smart enough to read to educate yourself… here’s PICTURES of things women invented…Grayson… not including the unfortunate invention of you, which by the way would not have been possible without a lowly uterus…http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=inventions+by+women&qpvt=inventions+by+women&FORM=IGRE
You are the kind of females that we want to “turn off”. We have no interest in you. You are all fugly.
No harm, no foul : )
Wish a woman would have invented the ball gag.
You sound like a bunch of cackling hens.
Feel sorry for all the men in your sorry lives.
But then, thats assuming their are any.
Male Cats dont count.
You are an animal.
In my humble male opinion of course
Definition of irony: dumb woman tries to prove point by linking to images of inventions by women and first item on that list is a light bulb that was invented by Thomas Edison.
Well, now that I think about it irony is the contrast between what you expect and reality. I didn’t expect her to say anything intelligent so I guess this isn’t irony. It’s just what I’ve come to expect from women.
Hey cunty, I happen to know Dr. Grandin personally. #1 it is more like 50%. #2, she designs the lead in channels and ramping systems, NOT the slaughter houses themselves. #3 Funny that it took a woman who, as proven by Science, thinks like a man, to accomplish something. Got any other dribble you want to leak out of that festering pile you call a brain honey?
Please realize we are not in the days of cave people and women have jobs in things like construction, company running and item selling. And even before now, women were (and many still are) making the clothes on your back. A woman even gave birth to you. Your farther couldn’t carry you in his body for nine months now could he? Now tell me again how men did EVERY. SINGLE. THING.
Technically all humans are animals and this can not be used to justify inequality.
As is typical of your type, you are putting words in my mouth. I NEVER said men did EVERY.SINGLE.THING That is something you are saying and trying to attribute to me. Problem is, what I said is written right in the thread. You play the game of saying stupid things like, “a woman gave birth to you”, in an effort to paint the picture that I dont understand how procreation works. If you cant debate on an intellectual level you should not revert to these sad tactics.
Tell me, if the patriarchy exists, doesn’t that just prove that men are both smarter and more powerful than women? How did we attain this mythical dominance over women if we are not naturally dominant? We either earned that dominance or it is fallacy.
dont you mean dominant gender?
care to retort on the slaughterhouse thing?
My “farther” doesnt have the necessary plumbing,so I dont get your point.Women in construction are a fucking nuisance,you have obviously never worked on site.
Your stupidity is fucking staggering.
Nice use of homophobic imagery, feminist.
And here in Tyler we have an example of someone who cannot refute what I said so they just go to the personal attack. Try again sweetie.
You are so funny!!Do you know what a generalisation is?? I refer to blokes as alright on the whole and as people I like and spend time with quite a lot….Your comment shows my way of thinking as a gen-er-al-is-ation because of course you wouldnt be one of those blokes…The strange thing about chauvinists is that they claim women are stupid….and then seek out the company of women who are unfortunate in the intelligence stakes..Self-fullfilling of course and you would think that if they are so clever as to pass judgement over others in that way, that they would know this…yet they don’t….
That wasnt really a personal attack…Your comment was stupid ergo you probably are also…
you’re fucking weak
It is so simple to call an opinion stupid if you cant refute what is said with empirical evidence or even an anecdote.
I often wish my father would have never impregnated my mother and brought me into a world like this where I must live surrounded by females like yourselves.
You all have very big opinions, and very big egos and mouths to match..
But until you have walked in the shoes of a male you will never know how we feel.
All you females can fuck off.
Oh my dear man, the first thing I will say is that when I first read this article I thought it was a joke and when I realized it was real I reposted it to Facebook, just because I figured people ought to know that ignorant, meatheads like you who seem to have time traveled from the stone age STILL exist! After reading your desperate attempts to rationalize your disgusting behaviour, not me, but my boyfriend and my brother ( both strong assertive and highly masculine men) urged me to “rip you a new one”. I wish I could but the truth is my weak nurturing pathetic womanly soul feels bad for you. I imagine you had a tough childhood, were rejected by a smart intelagent woman, and then went on to live out the rest of your sorry life in a trailer in the middle of the woods with nothing but your own hand and your own hideous reflection staring back at you from your cracked mirror. In fact I bet you have been waiting for this article all your life! An article that justifies forcing yourself on a woman because she would not have you otherwise. Isn’t consent overrated when you are an ugly, pathetic uneducated specimen, after all it is soooo annoying that in this day and age to attract a beautiful, intelligent, respectable woman they might actually expect the same from you before opening their legs? It must be really hard to be loosing all of your “tail” to smart intelligent, handsome, respectful men or the 21st century, and how dare women expect men to actually have higher thought than their basic animalistic desires. I feel for you sir I really do and for and person male or female who has ever come in contact with you.
Petunia -> Petunia
petunia accusing herself of not being smart enough to read. no further discussion is required
Your post shows your inability to really understand what you are debating and with who. Not once have I, in any comment, supported what was written in this article. You may be attributing the comments of support from others as being my own however, I have reviewed my comments on this article and I don’t see one shred of support of its content nor did I at any point join the discussion on consent.
I did say that women contribute less than men. I did say that men basically built the world with minimal input from women. I also called the manufactured crises of patriarchy a fallacy. But I never supported the article.
If you want to hate me, pity me, or spit in my eye, at least do it for the right reason.
Go suck a dick then if you hate women so much.
If you think “men” are a race, you need to get a dictionary and learn to use it.
Race doesn’t mean what you seem to think it means.
We actually are animals, but that guy above is still a douche.
It sounds like you should be sucking the dick with the level of homophobia in your post. You in the closet still boy?
no….a/s/l? 😉
And who made man? Oh wait, was it a woman that birthed and nursed you…?
Yeah, I know, it’s such tough work spreading your legs for a dude to impregnate you!!
If it were someone like you I can imagine it would be difficult, nigh impossible, and would/will probably never happen.
Regardless of how “easy” you think pregnancy is, you did not dispute my point, therefore it still stands. Without a woman, man would not exist.
you wanna fucking go dude
you know why you’re able to spew out that bullshit right now? because in 1959, someone translated binary into cobal. You know who did that? Grace Hopper. A WOMAN. Basically invented the computer. Don’t fucking play with me.
i was going to keep this civil but then you showed up. Congra-fucking-tulations, you over-inflated 2-inch strap-on, you noticed that history doesn’t include women. It also doesn’t include POC, homosexuals, or anyone who isn’t a straight white male because you know why? because they didn’t put us in. the world wasn’t build by straight white men, and just because the fucking history books claim this to be the truth, it isn’t. because once, history books claimed that Jews were to be exterminated, and that slavery was ok, and it was all written by straight white men who had a fucking god complex and thought the world was theirs. half the stuff you see was probably invented by anyone but a straight white man, so don’t you fucking go around and think you built the world from ground up and you have every right to strut around like a fucking peacock
Wow, mate, you reeeeeally have a problem with girls, don’t you? Hard to accept that the world doesn’t revolve around you, I know. Had to go through the same thing when I was 12.
Your grammar is atrocious.
And no, Hopper invented Flow-matic, which a committee then used as the basis for Cobol. Comtran by Bob Bemer was also a big part of Cobol but you ignore that in your efforts to validate women. The committee that created Cobol did include two women, with one of them, Hopper, being the most influential.
Not sure why you brought homosexuality into this but since you did, a gay man is still a man and therefore much more competent and talented than any woman.
I do have a question for you. Why do you give a shit what I think?
Even the way you debate/discuss shows your inferiority.
It’s a scientific fact that Humans are animals. We are just very complex animals with complex mating rituals, etc.
Downvote this all you wan’t but it doesn’t change the fact that it’s true. If you would like more sources, I can definitely provide them.
http://chronicle.com/blogs/percolator/humans-are-animals-8-year-old-vs-misinformed-teacher/32709
Taking a woman’s “No” for “Yes” or vice versa is a judgement call. It depends on the situation, and what type of woman.
Women don’t exactly have a good wrap for meaning exactly what they say. Let’s get real here folks… Women imply through context using different words so they can easily back out of situations they discover that they do not want to be in. Men on the other hand are black and white in this regard. When men say yes, they mean yes. The same goes for no.
In a relationship. if you’re dating a kinky woman, and you’re having sex, she’s getting crazy rough with it… She may say “no” but seems really into it. Being a guy (again, depending on the quality of guy), this is a tough spot, because we’re thinking, “alright, so is this just a part of her kink, or does she actually mean it?.” So (depending on the guy) they’ll ask, to which she’ll then reply with, “no no…. keep going.” (but it kills the mood completely, is a turn-off, and she will let you know that as well).
When a definition is not consistently held to basic words such as yes or no, trouble is waiting to be asked for when the time and need for serious communication arrises.
What I don’t like is that this article generalizes all females (I know a lot of women that mean what that mean most of the time). It’s FULL of logical fallacies.
Both males and females have their burdens.
women are legends in their own minds? you are clearly an idiot. the majority of everyone is extremely self-conscious and jerk offs, like you, who need to tell themselves idiotic things such as “useful idiots to corporate america”, among every other word in your comment, proves that you have no self confidence either, because if you did you’d have no reason to try and prove that you or the author or anyone else knows how to get laid by these ridiculous notions of sex and sexuality. You would keep it to yourself because you have nothing to prove. But clearly you feel you have a lot to prove. Good luck with that tiny dick of yours.
Debating is about using evidence to challenge someone’s statement/opinion.
You said man created the world women exist in. I said men could not exist without women. Then someone said becoming pregnant is a simple task. How did they challenge my point? How do you think I erred?
Anyone worth fucking wasn’t denied. That’s not silly playground games, that’s pure animal selection. If you have to push boundaries so hard, there must be something very un-fuckable about you in the first place. – a very hot chick
If you were actually hot, you wouldn’t a) be a feminist b) be on a men’s site running your yap
Pregnancy requires very little *positive* action.
Pregnancy, and the pains and difficulties of it, happen largely without a woman having to *choose* to take a particular action. For the most part, it progresses whether she likes it or not.
If I have a painful cancerous growth, and let it take over an organ for 9 months before surgery, I don’t deserve credit for that growth.
Maybe sympathy, but not credit.
Without a man and a woman, all people would not exist.
Fixed that for you.
Notice how Petunia realized that she was wrong about ‘slaughterhouse design’ and Grandin’s brain makeup, so Petunia decided to apologize…
oh wait, the feminist just disappeared rather than take responsibility, imagine that…..
Nice body-shaming attempt, feminist!
Do you even live in western society?
shock! horror! One of the “sisters” didnt take responsibility for her words.
You don’t like how this article generalises women? You just did a whole lot of that yourself, then brushed sexual inequality off as “different burdens”.
If you make a claim, explain it properly, otherwise it’s false. Explain EXACTLY how I generalized. Also, explain EXACTLY how I brushed off sexual inequality as different burdens.”
Until then, your comment remains a complete informal fallacy, not to mention a red haring.
The fact of the matter is that this article generalizes both sides, is FULL of (again) logical fallacies, and is full of anger-ridden bias people that couldn’t argue an apple and an orange.
A lot of guys do a piss poor job at understanding body language, and emotional context to decipher which is which. Then, there is the fact that there are a lot of dumb guys out there, with poor social skills.
Just because this Vincent Vinturi Knob generalizes women doesn’t mean that Women need to generalize men. That’s like bullying a bully because they bullied you (pointless, a poor example, and will go nowhere). Do you know how often I hear “wow, guys are fucking dogs?” I hear it as much as “Why are women such fucking bitches.” However, I pay not mind to it, because I personally know that I am not like that, and both sides are generalizing each other.
It’s basically the uneducated majority of both genders hopelessly fighting each other over social construct they don’t understand, and don’t ever bother learning. This is directly comparative to high divorce rates. These are statistics, this is Science.
“Everything you see around you was designed, built, and sold by a man. Every moment of your feminized, gutless, white knight life is possible because of the effort and brain power of a man”
My god you’re right! We put those words RIGHT in to your mouth, at no point did you write the above quote in response to someone asking a question. Idiot.
Plus it makes me laugh that you think you know everything about charm, charisma, and the way in to a woman’s pants when your bio says you live in Thailand.
Mate, you can get laid in Thailand if you offer them a brand new fucking biro pen in exchange for a fuck.
*Father
And actually you’re more than wrong, I’m an electrical senior Authorised Person and my job is to set people to work in locations that hold numerous hazards that can kill people.
I’ve worked with more female construction workers than you’ve probably had hot dinners sunshine, and they’re more than capable at their job. There are more MALE construction workers, granted, but that doesn’t render the femalesless at their job.
So pipe down, man up, and you and every other chauvinist arse hole on this website that agrees with this lunatic should find another way to try and exert the masculinity inside you other than constantly finding illogical bullshit to make men sound better than women.
And oh yeah, I’m a man, mull that one over.
Hi ‘guest’
I’m a man. I’ve walked many a mile in my shoes and have never felt the need to degrade women.
So all you sexist wankers can fuck off 🙂
I think arguing on this thread is a lost cause
The blokes that are agreeing probably can’t find any other method of feeling manly due to being held too much by their mother (or not enough, whichever) so they have to try and be demeaning to women.
Maybe some of you should go to the gym? You can feel plenty manly enough there, but then again, there are women in the gym and you might get scared by their presence and it will have been a pointless venture.
Idiots.
Hey ingrate –
You’ve worked with a small group of women who:
* worked in a traditionally male field, and
* have been forced to work (roughly) as hard as a man.
If these women had been attractive enough to find a wealthy high-earning man, they would’ve been able to work in a less-draining and less-dangerous pink collar field, like public relations or dental hygiene.
If they’d been more ‘girlish’, they would’ve been successful fashion designers or interior designers, PTA moms, etc.
If they were truly ‘catches’, a rich guy (or lesbian) would’ve swooped them off their feet and they wouldn’t be working their asses off.
In other words, you describe a small subset of more masculine-capable women who, relatively speaking, aren’t particularly attractive or feminine, and don’t have a lot of great features going for them.
So you mean to tell me them that this cream of the crap has to try to work hard to earn money because they don’t have many other options?
Shocking! (By the way, water is wet, also.)
Who’s degrading women? He’s explaining his experiences with particular women.
You felt the need spout off about the peculiar women at your jobsite. Isn’t he allowed to mention his observations?
You’re the one who feel the need to come to the defense of the ‘fair maidens” honor. That’s actually somewhat sexist itself.
Could you be any less of a moron white knight coming to the ‘defense’ of a maiden? (Which is pretty sexist behavior, itself, asshat.)
You’re unable to hold any sort of rational discussion, so you just jump in with:
* body shaming
* mommy issues shaming
* sexless virgin shaming
If you want to be even less original, there are a few more feminist insults you forgot from The 7 Most Common Feminist Insults
Here they are for your future reference, tough guy:
i suppose you were shat out of your fathers asshole
Pretty sure they didn’t feel the need to expand on something that explains itself to those of us with brains.
Basically, you aren’t worth our time.
Actually, most women, including myself, want a man who will respect our wishes. If we say no, then for fuck sakes, we mean NO! I don’t want a man who is going to attempt to make me feel pressured or even obligated to have sex with him. What is this, 8th grade, when your friends dared you to kiss Bobby Who’sit in the closet for 30 seconds, and if you didn’t you’d be perpetually “uncool”? Are we receding so far down the evolutionary scale, that we’ve devolved back to the mental capacity of a god damn Neanderthal? God dammit, society sucks.
“Pipe down”…..and my personal favourite “man up”. Dan you sound so very “empowered”. You go girl!
If saying that makes you feel better sugar, so be it.
“And oh yeah,I`m a man”……who told you that lie?
I’m somewhat indifferent on the conversation but I always like to challenge long, round about diatribes. Women now currently believe they are better than men and its rather blatant.
That being said, who are the women that have contributed most to science? math? medicine? Actually, those have too long of a history and women have made their biggest strides in the past 50 years so lets use a more equitable, recent platform. Where are the female entrepreneurs? Technological innovator’s making my life easier?
See, respect is not given. It is earned and when one’s constantly using emotions as a shield, not taking personal accountability, or focusing on outward status as opposed to inward value respect won’t be given regardless of gender.
And it’s not you being gutless that makes it easy for you to control yourself around women. It’s your behavior and mentality that isn’t attractive to them so it wasn’t an option to begin with unless you wanted to take things into your own hands which you never would.
On a primitive nature, whatever. But god, respect other human beings because we are no longer primitive animals. We’re civilized, we have evolved languages which we use to convey how we feel about things, especially when we don’t want something. Legalities aside, a man shouldn’t force a woman to have sex when she’s saying no. Maybe that’s just me, but the law shares my sentiments.
ahaha someone’s a communication major. No, not a red herring, Salted isn’t trying to distract anybody from what you said. Moreover, a claim isn’t false if it’s not explained properly. That’s too definitive. A claim is as simple as saying the world is round, or the divorce rate is x%. They’re true and I didn’t explain them. Wow, amazing how that works.
Secondly: perfect! You admit that this is full of fallacies. If you want me to be as definitive as you, then that makes this entire article “false.”
Perhaps sometimes people, both men and women alike, don’t say exactly what they mean. Whether it’s saying no when they don’t entirely mean no, or yes when they may be thinking no in the back of their head, this isn’t confined to one gender. How can we remedy this, though?
Communication. We have language! Awesome, so we can just take what people say at face value and accept it as true… right?
Well according to this dude who wrote this article… nah. Girls are essentially lying when they say no! Therefore, it is our responsibility to prove our dedication to these beautiful women by slowly chipping away at their resolve until they succumb to our advances. Our “penis will thank [us] later.”
Does this sound in any way to be considering the actual thoughts of the woman besides a perception that we are blessing her with the supremacy of our masculinity and sexual abilities?
So let’s take this outside of our own head, (or dick), and maybe consider how we can understand that this girl is another human being and perhaps respect what she says. If you stop and she didn’t mean no, that sucks. Deal with it.
We live in a world now where we communicate. Why not actually accept what people say and take it into consideration rather than disregarding it entirely, or worse letting it fuel you to do the opposite of one’s requests.
Please don’t be hypocritical and make claims that you yourself can’t back up, Uedukai. You can’t claim every man says exactly what he means, nor can you say the same for women. By definition, generalizations aren’t 100% accurate, moreover, you lack evidence to support that every male says yes when he means yes, and women reluctantly commit to words so they can back out later.
Finally, just because I think it’s entertaining… Statistics is math, not science…. and I fail to understand how you connected the two.
Why do you feel that “feminist” is an insult? First of all, feminism is an advocacy for women’s equality in a male-dominant society. Many uneducated, insecure, or just purely misogynistic men feel that women’s equality is an attack on men, masculinity, or a male-dominated society (that would be called misandry, something quite different). On the contrary, feminism is simply a way for society to equalize its current injustices towards women. One of these such injustices is enumerated in this article, that women’s words are not taken to mean what they literally mean. When women say “no”, they mean NO, and not whatever the other party interprets it to mean. The author of this article has literally confessed to raping multitudes of women who were afterwards too ashamed to admit it. NO does not mean Yes, Silence does not mean yes, and just because she lets you do it, that does not mean that she is consenting. HOLY SHIT YOU PEOPLE ARE DUMB. If someone were to break into your house, and you didn’t tell them “no”, because you were too terrified to do so, would that mean that you allowed them to be in your house? NO! they are still breaking and entering, because you did not enter your house. THE SAME GOES FOR MEN TRYING TO SEDUCE WOMEN. If she doesn’t stop you, that doesn’t mean she is giving you permission, it just means that she is frozen from fear, disbelief, shame, or shock. NO MEANS NO, SILENCE MEANS NO, ONLY YES MEANS YES!!!
Wow, a feminist with poor reading comprehension skills, who likes to put words in other peoples’ mouths — imagine that!
Kindly point to the exact sentences in which the author discusses “raping multitudes of women.”
The author mentions propositioning women who are in bed with him for sex multiple times.
Are women not allowed to change their minds about having sex?
Do we need to treat them like 10 year olds with underdeveloped free will?
Is the author not permitted to proposition these women several times while they are in bed with him?
Do they not have 2 legs to leave his home if they are uncomfortable?
Your feminist mindset — and its disregard for these common sense questions — is a good example of why feminism is a laughingstock.
Oh, so is it not permitted for a woman to change her mind about having sex? Should she be treated like a 10 year old without developed free will?
Is a man not allowed to propose sex several times to a woman who is in bed with him?
Does a woman not have 2 legs to leave his home if she is uncomfortable?
Try again, ignoramus.
Men aren’t the dominant “race”? Well I guess thats feminism over and done with then, thank god for that.
Women are idiots? Really so the women who gave birth to you was an idiot for conceiving you right? And the women you are probably in a relationship is an idiot as well? Do you realize that without women would seize to exist? Or is that something you are unable to comprehend? The fact that you had to categorize all women as weak minds, probably means you are intimidated with the fact that many more women are more education, more intelligent and overall a better person than you… maybe you should open your eyes women are a bit fed up with YOUR BULLSHIT!
I dare you to say that to your mother.
Would you say this to your mother? Your sister? Your daughter?
Not picking my stance on this article but in fact human beings are animals and these natural instincts have been observed in humans, though people learn to fight them they are still there.
Delusional or a liar here.
Nah, you just don’t like your dirty laundry being aired.
Delusional or a liar.
Equality is a Marxian utopian fantasy. It’s a delusion. It’s amazing how many fall for that.
It’s amazing how they want to be treated like children while also getting angry when they think they’re being treated that way. They don’t know what they want.
I see the 10 dislikes you have cut to the core. Reality is painful for most.
Wow, mate, you reeeeeally have a problem with reality, don’t you?
“Hard to accept that the world doesn’t revolve around you, I know. Had to go through the same thing when I was 12.”
You’re still 12? Some people just don’t want to grow up.
“Do you even live in western society?”
That person lives in his own head. The outside world is a mystery to him. Just another useful idiot.
Much projection here. The sun also rose this morning.
They can’t accept reality. They’re completely dependent on men whether they like it or not. It’s simple penis envy.
As a woman and having just read what he wrote, I can’t really agree with you. I don’t think he says rape is ok, but to be honest I know and have seen a lot of different women who like to play hard-to-get regardless if they’re interested in the man or not. He even says “you need to be FLUENT in reading the female body language” just as we women need to be understand male body language as well. It seems like he’s talking more about gauging the other person’s interest and figuring out if they are interested based on markers and cues because obviously, if the other person says they’re not interested and went all their way to the guy’s bedroom, it’s clear what they want, some women just think this “playing hard to get” game is sexy to men. There is a line obviously, I’m not condoning rape of any kind, if the woman is obviously not interested and shows no sign of interest, and the guy tries to keep crossing that line and go further then that’s when we cry rape/sexual assault.
Now I’m not saying women are animals. But not all women are living for long-term relationships, you’re over-generalizing women based on what you, as a woman, want…or what you’ve been fed by media to want. Some women like meaningless sex and some don’t. Some are attracted to strong, confident types and others don’t. My point is we shouldn’t get all upset over this. Whether or not he wrote the book, it would still be happening with many condoning women.
“Confidence” is capable of standing on its own, it can handle not everyone wanting to fall into bed with it. Like the author, you probably have never met a real woman.
Sure it’s permitted for a woman to change her mind. She’ll let you know if she does . . . same as it works for a man . . .
Oh — so you were there for it all?
Since when does self-consciousness only pertain to one’s body?
Sometimes, Grayson, the audacity of the ignorance set in front of us is just too hard to ignore, and something has to be said. We don’t like doing it, we would rather walk past it, but it’s just too mind-blowing to ignore. This is something you should probably bear in mind for future reference, as I kinda have to bet my life on the fact that you create this response rather frequently.
Oh thank you, Jim — I am going to laugh about this for *days*!!!! Oh God peeing my pants . . . f*cking funniest thing I’ve seen in a long time!!!!
Seriously? You have a dick therefore you’re somehow better? SERIOUSLY? YOU ARE THAT FLIPPIN’ IGNORANT? Go ahead rant away — I have no time for your level of obtusity and will not be responding. Watching paint dry would be a better use of my time.
Lazy and failed.
Yet you took the time to write that huh? As a matter of fact, I show three responses in my feed from you. Hmmm….
You, like many others, are wasting your time. You are not going to sway my way of thinking and I am not going to sway your way of thinking.
I dont go to feminist/liberal blogs and get upset at what is written. I have mentally dismissed their voice from my world. You should do the same with ROK. Its very liberating.
I will give you that Dave. It was a half ass effort and that shows.
First of all here is the point at which he mentions raping women.
” I’ve had hour or more long battles with a girl who had come to my room and then protested that she wasn’t going to have sex with me. Hell, it just happened again yesterday. In the end, of course, we got naked. And, she appreciated it after the fact. If a girl isn’t open to being seduced she will either not come in or will precipitate hastily from your room. Anything short of that is a green light.”
I shouldn’t have to explain how that is rape^, he said that “she appreciated it after the fact” which implies that she did not want it in the first place, but said that she did afterwards. Rape survivors often will not admit that they have been raped and pretend that the intercourse was consensual because they are too ashamed to admit the rape.
Women are allowed to change their minds about having sex, I never said otherwise, just that then need to voice it too you. You cannot assume that they have changed their minds because they have not told you otherwise.
I am also not proposing that we treat women like 10 year-olds with underdeveloped free will, I am proposing that we treat them like real, full-grown adults who are capable of consenting. However, as informed individuals know, people, not just women, are terrible at voicing non-consent. So everyone, men and women, need vocalize their desire to have sex, the default assumption must be non-consent unless otherwise stated.
Forcing the other party, in this case, the woman, to walk out on their own two legs if they are uncomfortable is akin to forcing a defendant to prove that they did not commit the crime, as opposed to placing the burden of proof on the Prosecution. Guilty until proven innocent is akin to Consenting until proven otherwise.
I have not disregarded these common sense questions, as you have put it; in fact, I have considered them in great detail, but my main problem is that if she wants to have sex with you then when she asks you she will tell you. Assuming otherwise is treating her as less than capable of making her own decisions, as less than a full grown-ass woman.
I would say the author is a delusional.. not quite a liar
nope.
do u forget that you are the product of a woman?
if we need both then we are equal whats there to argue. we are equally valuable. and u celebrate once u have defeated cancer much like you celebrate when a child is born. child bearing is a choice. you can choice to abort the baby u can choice to wear a condom u can choose to not have sex. a woman accepts the pain when she chooses to have a baby its not like oh shit i think the air impregnated me better just let it run its course. lol and raising the child after? isn’t that creditable. id compare a preiod to cancer tho. we cant stop it we cant help it it just happens and ya it can be pretty damn painful.
you are about the 10th person to use this argument. No, I have not forgotten that I am the “product” of a woman (and a man by the way). I respect women for doing a good job at their intended purpose; making and raising children. That is quite a different thing than viewing women as competent to operate on my heart or defend my country in battle.
lol and u know something most woman i know who like to use gyms go to spa lady(all female gym) to avoid advances from testosterone overloaded dumb asses at other gyms.
lolol you must be gay. and thats okay man 🙂 but u know what i find theres alot of guys who dont care what u look like as long as u got holes in your body. pretty gruesome how desperate some men get.
yes thats true but i ve met alot of woman who are alot smarter then many men. sure there may be men smarter then them but there are many many men dumber then them to. and i honestly wouldnt feel comfortable having a male doctor as a female. im sure you could understand that from a females perspective. i don’t know much about of those professions so i cant say who would be better suited. i my self want to be and artist or graphic artist or something. so dont worry ur safe from my ability to fk u up in other careers. lol
Read again.
1. Girl initially said “that she wasn’t going to have sex”.
Based on close reading of narrative:
2. Girl changed mind and “we got naked” — not “I removed her clothes” or “I got her naked”.
3. Girl expressed appreciation for having changed her mind and engaging in sex.
4. Author believes that women who enter a man’s bedroom are generally amenable to “being seduced” and agreeing to sex.
Again, the passage you quoted does not describe rape. Although there is minimal detail, a close reading of the language supports the view that she changed her mind and then removed her own clothes.
The passage is particularly not some proof of “raping multitudes of women”, as you had put it.
Are you creating your own definition of rape? Where in that passage is there lack of consent at the time of intercourse, along with force or the threat of force (as required in many U.S. states)?
The question at this moment is not whether rape was claimed after-the-fact, it’s whether there was lack of consent at penetration, along with force or threat.
I’m glad to you agree with me.
If your idea is that you have to protect women from their own inability to voice one little syllable — “no” — when sex is broached, you treat them like a 10 year old incapable of the smallest steps of self-determination. (…especially given the difficult contextual clues for the outside observer — romantic outing, lying in bed together, etc.)
What?
If a woman is uncomfortable with being propositioned for sex, she can leave a man’s bed. How does that idea make her into a criminal defendant?
Does she have the right to remain in his bed no matter what? Do you want to give her the right to remain there forever, as a trespasser?
The fact that she has 2 legs and can leave is not proof of consent — it’s a practical consideration that if she doesn’t enjoy being propositioned she can end it by leaving the room or kicking the man out of her room.
Again, if the article/author is assuming anything, it’s that he can propose sex because the girl is in bed with him. And that is a-okay for him to assume. If she’s not okay with sex being proposed, she can leave.
I’m glad you agree with me. I assume that you also support the right of the author to proposition the women that are in bed with him for sex multiple times — which is what he discusses in this article.
wow.. that statement is so full of logical inconsistencies, stupidity, false dilemmas, false analogies, and misogyny that to count every instance if flawed logic using a recursive function would cause a stack overflow, id est you’re a dipshit and nobody in the world has the time to explain it to you so you will continue believing you’re correct because it takes too much energy for anyone else to explain to you why you’re wrong. And then you’re going to end up in jail for raping a woman (or a man?) because you used the social pressures of your sexual insistence to force your way into her (his?) bed (I don’t want to make any assumptions about your sexual preference). By the way I’m not making up definitions of rape not am I making up evidence. I’m a psychology professor at Pomona College and the definitions and the information I am using are well-established in informed circles. okay. im done. I dont have time to save humanity from rapist pigs..
This comment made me throw up in my mouth a little. I can’t even. This is such a disgusting mindset.
“Women don’t exactly have a good wrap for meaning exactly what they say.
Let’s get real here folks… Women imply through context using
different words so they can easily back out of situations they discover
that they do not want to be in. Men on the other hand are black and
white in this regard. When men say yes, they mean yes. The same goes
for no”
Bull fucking shit.
Contemporary women want a man who can be her equal, not her inferior.
“All women want a confident, dominant man”
A post with this in it has 31 upvotes & 6 downvotes? What the fuck?
ur deluded! new age hipster? its called equality! once white people thought the same about black people, they just needed some one to lead them, to dominate the poor creatures, they ‘ capable to think for themselves! now when i thought we were getting past that between men and women, were all the same creature at the end of the day except for whats between our legs, then an article like this comes out and people like u! u disgust me!
im sorry i forgot all men were completely clear cut, are 100% honest, never say one thing and mean another either…oh wait! it still doesnt mean u can force yourself on a person because they may be physically weaker!
In other words, your gender studies classes never taught you the ability to discuss an issue beyond catchphrases.
Feminists — who claim to stand up for the LGBT community — use insinuations of homosexuality to try to belittle men they disagree with. Given that the entire thread has been about men and women, this odd changeover (to man and man) points to your latent homophobia.
I provided you with the elements of the crime of rape as used in many states in the U.S. You can Google for “[State name] rape law” to see the definition of major sexual offenses in all 50 states.
You, on the other hand, claim some mystical authority to decide what rape is, because you’re writing an undergrad paper.
When you decide to actually educate yourself on how the crime of rape is defined, feel free to Google for answers.
By the way, I notice that you didn’t bother responding to the fact that the woman in the article has 2 legs and can leave the room any time she likes.
It’s too much “misogyny” to expect her to leave a man’s bedroom if she doesn’t like the questions he’s asking, eh?
And who exactly is doing that? Cite specific sentences, please.
That’s not what science says, sweetie. Try some light reading. There’s plenty more where this came from.
Jonason P. K., Valentine K. A., Li N. P., Harbeson C. L. (2011).
“Mate-selection and the Dark Triad: Facilitating a short-term mating
strategy and creating a volatile environment”. Personality and
Individual Differences 51 (6): 759–763. doi:10.1016/j.paid.2011.06.025.
Durante, K. M., Griskevicius, V., Simpson, J. A., Cantú, S. M., & Li, N. P. (2012). “Ovulation Leads Women to Perceive Sexy Cads as Good Dads.” Journal of Personality and Social Psychology. doi: 10.1037/a0028498
Jonason P. K., Li N. P., Webster G. W., Schmitt D. P. (2009). “The Dark Triad: Facilitating short-term mating in men”. European Journal of Personality 23: 5–18. doi:10.1002/per.698.
You are utterly delusional if you believe any of this crap.
This is just utter nonsense! Everything you see around you was not designed, built, and sold only by men. From the time of neanderthals, women and men have equally participated in shaping the world around them. The standards and form of involvement are what have changed.
Why don’t you go do some research into the history of science, or really any other industry. You’ll find that women have been at the fore-front of almost every important scientific or medical (or other) discovery. Of course you won’t learn this in any institution, because, due to the effort and brain power of men, they have written women out of history. Their ego’s couldn’t handle it. Do some honest, critically-thinking research.
Also you are generalizing here like crazy! Feminized, gutless, white-knife life? Here you are making talking to the like 1% of girls who have grown up in a first-world country with rich mommies and daddies who over-protect/shelter them.
For most of the real world, women don’t lead these kind of lives. Women are the ones working hard in all industries so that they can nurture and support their families or themselves….. very very few PEOPLE let alone women in the world have gutless, white-knight lives.
What about the single-mothers, the orphans,the POC, the LGBTQ (etc.) women who struggle just to get through one goddamn day with enough money or without being assaulted or RAPED or harrassed…. you think we’re all leading feminized, gutless, white-knife lives eh?
maybe talking to *
sorry I just thought I would highlight one last point before I go. I swore i was done before, but this was too good. Accusing the bisexual man of homophobia.. thats rich..
You sir, this is you:
Interesting. That is why I choose to be with a woman who is clear, thoughtful, reasonable and know what she wants and what she does not want.
If a woman is like that on her first date, first sex, then spending a life with her must be very complicated. Therefore, if we have problems with women, it is partially our fault.
“I hate these blurred lines.”
~ Robin Thicke
An autistic woman
Sweetheard I have to correct you in on thing:
“Rape survivors often will not admit that they have been raped and
pretend that the intercourse was consensual because they are too ashamed
to admit the rape.”
It can be true. A victim of rape can deny it, together with other symptoms. Most of those victims are very ashamed and tell themselves that it wasn’t rape.
Simple answer to this conundrum of you realising you’re wrong – look at my profile.
Definitely no girl there. Although, if the girls you’ve ever been with look anything like me, then I can see why you’d be such a misogynistic dick, as damn, that would be a bearded girl with a cock.
You people are too easy to win against.
Haha, standard keyboard warrior, bad luck buddy try harder next time!
I would hardly call it ‘sexist’ or ‘coming to the defense of a maiden’ when any comment posted is on a thread that basically says “women never mean no, they are never right, and if she does say no, stick it in her anyway because you’re a man and that’s your right’
And well. Thanks for the tough guy compliment!
Hey ‘Im scared of powerful women’
Well. You lost me at the first point, if you still think attractiveness us what gets women jobs, you’re clearly the kind of person who er, well, hasn’t got a job I’m assuming.
It’s quite funny to see someone like you (although this thread is full of them) so lost in their own mind with silly outdated And just blatantly wrong beliefs. Bless.
Good luck in life buddy, and I hope the woman you find (god help her) puts up with your shit like “a good housewife should” as I’m assuming you would say.
Or maybe you’re a strong independent man who don’t need no woman? Or maybe you like men? Who knows, there’s nothing wrong with liking men though so GO YOU! I’m proud.
You`re way too smart for me Ms Pealing,and your ability to pick up on sarcasm is cutting edge.Like you say princess”us people are too easy to win against”.
i didnt say anyone here has said that but that is what it all comes down to! the only reason men have even been dominant, and stilll try and enforce their dominance is because generally they are physically stronger! As a woman, i personally have been in situations where I’m vulnerable because of my physical size and can be forced into situations because of this!
sweetie? who the fuck r u to patronise me like that! quote all you like we are the same animal, homosapien! your just defining behavioural differences! theres behavioural differences, between age groups, races, cultures, but it does not mean we have to segregate our entire kind based on our sex! don’t u think we’ve moved passed that? i dont want people to see me as a woman, i am a successful doctor! I am a proud welsh person! i am a quentin tarrantino fan! and yes i am a woman, but these are all just parts of the individual i am! being a woman doesnt define me!
This! I wish people would understand this.
Sweet, I’m glad you’ve seen the light bro! Good luck with the rest of your life trying to adjust to the fact that you’ve been wrong for so long 🙂
You’ll get there.
Sounds like you got cheated on/dumped. Maybe she was a shallow bitch, but your bitter reaction doesn’t paint a very attractive picture of you either. I personally would rather have a man who isn’t a drama queen, who takes the bad in stride along with the good.
I’m going to assume you’re just lashing out, rather than being so incredibly stupid and shallow as to think “all women” want exactly the same things in a partner.
Oh and men are the walking embodiment of absolute truth
Real bull fucking shit
If you reaf the article its about persistance not force. Force in this kind of situation is blatantly abhorrent. As for being persistant thats almost admirable even if the feminist culture of the world doesn’t believe it to be.
” I don’t want a man who is going to attempt to make me feel pressured or even obligated to have sex with him.”
Fine Ms. “Strong and Independent”. Enjoy your cats or your Beta husband. I’ll get me a real woman.
The PC brainwashing is strong on this one. Because of this she’s actually weak minded just too dull to know it.
Their brainwashed heads say one thing, their inbred instincts say another. No wonder so many of them take depression medication.
Denial of biology is common with PC types. No thinking, just reacting.
And yet, despite that reality, you got 12 down votes. Yet more female denial. First biology and now the reality of history. Is it any wonder we can’t take you girls seriously? lol.
Already have. The truth sometimes hurts.
Yes. You are very delusional.
Laughter is always good medicine.
” I NEVER said men did EVERY.SINGLE.THING”
Oh, how many times I’ve had to repeat just what you have. Funny how they see the word “all” when it’s almost NEVER uttered. lol.
Which one of you actually have brains? Obviously it isn’t you.
You too Ms Pealing,your boyfriend must be so proud.
What about the places in the world, today, that function within a Matriarchal society? They obviously didn’t think males were naturally better.
Show me a place in the world where women dominate men.
In the same paragraph that you claimed “women are idiots” you spelled corporate wrong. Yes, we’re definitely the idiots here. I don’t believe women to be above men, but I don’t believe we are below you either. Learn to respect.
Every man you see around you was carried and birthed by a woman.
Seriously. Thank you! This comment thread is not totally hopeless .
Welcome to being the 900th dumbass who has said that very thing and the 899th who did not read the whole thread before putting phalanges to keyboard.
If you think giving birth is some sort of feat you are a fool. Even the lowest female creature on earth is capable of following a biological path in which they have no control. Its like congratulating me for taking a shit.
Actually, in the days of the “cave people” there was more equality between men and women than there is now. Men and women shared work equally and there is evidence of women reaching very high status in certain societies. This is not to say that men did not also reach high status in these societies though. In fact, many ancient societies in the time period of the Ubaid may have had chiefly/ranked societies that were run by both men and women together as the chiefly family. While these societies were ranked, evidence has suggested that the individuals of higher rank were most likely in a position of power due to popularity with the commoners and ability to lead religious ritual rather rather than gender.
You sound like the type of guy who rapes women. Mommy issues?
Interesting, considering every human is solely dependent on a woman mother to grow and be born. But, yeah, you’re right, that penis did soooo much for me.
You could always die. That would probably make everyone happy.
it is about rape.
Wow, some woman really messed with you, didn’t she? Good luck in life.
Now this is sexy. And newsflash for all the rest of you fucking dorks: If you’re having that much trouble getting a woman to sleep with you, it’s because you’re not attractive. Probably because you are threatened by the strength of a woman, which is why you make up these pathetic little fantasies, and she can tell. Work on your self esteem a bit and maybe you won’t have to ‘wrestle’ anyone’s panties off. Imagine a world where a woman willingly removes her own clothes, because she wants to sleep with you. That’s the world most healthy, attractive, functional adult men live in. Dream the dream, boys!
Wow, could you throw any more cliche insults into one wall of text, nutcase?
Looks like someone’s a little cranky from not getting any action ….in a few years. So sorry for you 🙁
…wow. ignorant much
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
Alright:
1. It’s a fact that women have a higher pain tolerance than men…you try birthing a baby out of your urethra.
2. Women control all reproduction. They hold the next fucking generation in their uterus.
3. Now more than ever more women are graduating from college than men are.
I’m not anti-man, I’m just stating proven facts. Women have more power than you think dude, and I’m sorry for any woman who ends up with you. You can reply to this in your angrily patriarchal rants, but that isn’t going to change the truth I’ve just presentened to you.
All I’m saying is you should do a little research and keep an open mind before making hasty accusations.
You do know that actual rape not that easy to get away with, making a serial rapist hard to be purely from a logistical standpoint. I doubt he would be profiling himself on this website if he were.
i cannot upvote this enough
Uh oh another one whose Mommy spanked him a little too hard… get over it.
Obviously the only worthwhile pursuits in our modern society are “science?”, “math?”, and “medicine?”, right? no other fields are of any consequence… and of course these fields are populated by men because they’re the most important and not just the most important to you because they’re populated mostly by men or anything,,, what with cause and effect being concepts you have a firm grasp of and all… You poor, simple-minded fool.
‘Mommy issues’, arla?
I know feminists lack logical argumentation skills, but dropping the pretense of even trying – this early – is just sad 🙁
Go back to deviantart, virginia goss
Arla is just mad after having friends spend so much time earning liberal arts degrees (gender studies? sociology? anthro?) that’s been the easy path to a Starbucks barista position.
maybe because back then, women we’re aloud in the work place since men still thought they were the dominate race.
*maybe because back then, women weren’t aloud in the work place since men still thought they were the dominate race.
Unfortunately men are more dominant. As hard as we (females) like to deny it, it’s the truth. They were created first, they lead the relationships, ask us out, ask us to marry them etc. now with that being said, it definitely doesn’t give them an excuse to be assholes about it.
yup, “burp”, “fart”. Excuse me, I need to take a shit. We’ll continue this some other time.
Excuse me, but just who’s vagina did you come out of? That’s right, a woman’s. So technically it was women who made all this possible. And before you start that bullshit about how women can’t reproduce without a male, actually we can, using parthenogenesis.
And as for for everything being designed, built and sold by men, that’s also completely untrue. A woman wrote the first science fiction novel, created bullet proof vests, invented windshield wipers, made the circular saw. Women have gone to war and ruled nations with all the wisdom and determination of a man. Women work in science an It’s just that surprise surprise, the history books conveniently neglect to tell us that. Wanna know why? Because men wrote them.
I wonder what your mother thinks of you. I wonder if you had a mother at all.
Did you know the first person to discover the shape of DNA and take photographs of it was a women? Her name is Rosalind Franklin, and without her, we wouldn’t know the very “creator” of life. And she wasn’t even credited for her work, along with her male partner, when she died of cancer at ~31. Get off your high fucking horse.
Man! You reek of desperation.
Someone that feels so desperate to assert a form of power that they make ineloquent insults online to women they perceive as threateningly independant is definitively not ”alpha”.
That’s just weak.
My mom is an idiot and a bitch, and my girl is also a bitch so yea, even the woman who have birth to me is an idiot.
Have fun sucking d*i*ck if you hate women so much, you closeted homosexual.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Women have their positions of the appearance of power because it is useful to the captains of finance and power in their assaults on the family. Women who appear to have power can be un-powered by the men who put them in their positions.
Women are never insiders in the “old boys’ clubs” that run the world.
Men know that any of these “powerful” women can be seized, forced down and inseminated by the men who appoint them or by the man who empties the wastecans in the women’s offices.
For worse or for better, that’s the way of the world. Will it ever change? It hasn’t yet. It hasn’t even begun yet.
You are so wrong. She’s not an idiot. She’s a woman. Judging women by male standards will have incorrect results every time.
Every cell in a woman is female. Women are not basic neuters with chest bulges and a vagina-womb organ any more than men are the same basic neuters with a penis and testicles. Every nucleated cell in a woman has an XX sex chromosome. Every nucleated cell in a man has an XY sex chromosome.
1. Uh, a little basic anatomy: Babies don’t come out through the urethra. They come out through the orifice that is between the urethra and the anus. Even when there is fairly severe damage, they don’t come out of the urethra.
2. Women have never controlled reproduction. No woman can reproduce without at least one spermatozoon. Men, on the other hand, are fully functional without women. The sperm-producing function is rather pointless without a female to deposit them in, but it works the same without a woman.
From the moment sperms are passing through the cervix, the woman’s conscious mind has no control over the reproductive process without the use of violence.
3. Most university degrees awarded to women are crap degrees (or is that “crip”?) that attract women. I graduated from an engineering university and very few women majored in an engineering discipline. Fewer graduated. Most women who started out in engineering switched to a humanities course. A few went into pure science (chemistry, biology, astronomy, math). Most were seeking a “Mrs.” degree.
Most rapists are normal men by all known indicators. Until a man rapes or attempts rape it is near-impossible to predict with any degree of accuracy who will and who won’t. Long experience demonstrates that men who are not in surroundings where they feel accountable will rape, or do what if done back home would be called rape. Sailors and soldiers are stereotyped for good reason.
These disciplines are what provide our technological benefits. The more female-populated disciplines are what make us civilized so that technology is not used by unbridled masculinity to kill us. Unfortunately technology has advanced faster than has civilization.
But we will be anyway. It’s a man thing. Many of us tone it down for the sake of peace in our homes, and in the interest of keeping our jobs, employees or customers, but the ol’ asshole is always at the ready for immediate use. (Just add alcohol….)
You surely have noticed [I realize the comment was posted a year ago] that the fymynysts commenting quickly resort to that master stroke of feminine logic, the Argumentum ad Hominem, like even most non-fymynysts do, when they don’t get their way. Just because we don’t instantly submit to a woman’s “reasoning,” especially when totally illogical and inane, the insults begin to fly.
A few accomplishments by females, usually in collaboration with men, building on earlier discoveries and designs by men, don’t disprove anything.
If she’d just shut her damn mouth and bring him another properly chilled beer, get off facebook and clean the house, life would go much more smoothly. — wisdom from my widowed landlady
Or a powerful, vigorous sperm that was aggressive enough to negotiate the uterus and to breach the barricade put up by her ovum.
Actually Edison improved the incandescent bulb that had been invented by men before him. He made it reliable and cheap enough for it to be commercially successful. Some Edison bulbs have been on for over a century.
And most women can have a penis most any time they want one. They can enjoy it without having to take care of it, empty it, etc. If she is tired, she can just lie back or bend over and its operator will do most or all of the work.
She doesn’t have to do anything. Her incubator is automatic, not requiring any attention in most cases. From penetration to insemination, fertilization and implantation, gestation and birth, she can be totally passive and it usually makes not the slightest difference. Most intervention is preventive, not necessary and often harmful.
It’s women’s psyches that are hated, not their physiologies.
Both men and women are suffering from previous generations of men who were taught not to exercise gentle correction on their women. A good spanking would in most cases have adjusted the female’s attitude and headed off serious problems before they got going. But now, after just a few generations, correction is fraught with danger from the fymynyzed society surrounding us. One swat on her cocky ass and the sheriff is at the door to enforce the fymynystic tyranny.
Your father PUT YOU IN your mother’s belly. Unfertilized eggs are dumped out as the useless garbage they are. What makes you “you” came from your father, not your mother.
Where is an actual matriarchal society? Have any survived in either competition or cooperation with a patriarchal society? Just wondering.
I’ve encountered a few women on construction jobs (I don’t count flagging) and all but one was incompetent. They were all but that one quite unattractive. She was both competent and fairly good looking. Yet she didn’t try to be “one of the guys.”
Of course pregnancy is easy. Unless something fouls up, a woman doesn’t have to do anything to get pregnant, be pregnant and get un-pregnant (give birth). Her reproductive system is automatic.
During birthing, if she passes out, the process will continue to completion without any help from her conscious mind. All too often trouble is caused by intervention.
come t threats of violence, even against an innocent child, who exists due to the cooperation of her reproductive system with the man’s.
The man did not open her cervix. She opened it. The man didn’t secrete fluids that provided a path for sperms to proceed to her Fallopian tube. She did. He didn’t cause her to ovulate. She ovulated. Not a single spermatozoon can get to meet her egg without her cooperation at every step of the process once semen is deposited in heri vagina. Only by violence will the process of reproduction stop.
Name one. ONE. Name one instance of human parthenogenesis.
[No lectures please. I KNOW that I am coming in on a thread that is a year old.]
I can’t imagine giving a faggot any advice other than to keep his hands away from my ass. Oh – also, to pull it out, wipe the shit off and repent.
Aztecs cutting human hearts out and sacrificing them to god were highly civilized. Civilization at base means living in cities.
Perhaps on occasion but big men don’t dominate smaller men, while small men dominated large women until our society was fymynyzed. Other women, usually older and always wiser, helped men subdue insubordinate wives. Mothers taught their daughters to submit to and obey their husbands, and their sons how to discipline their wives, often using their own marriages as examples.
Women are supposed to be below their men – on your backs or on your knees.
[THAT oughta shake a few out of the bushes!]
“Actual” rape must be easy to get away with, for all information available strongly supports a hypothesis that most acts that have historically been considered rape are never reported. Of the reported alleged rapes well over 90% are classed as “unsubstantiated” and the investigation concluded without the case proceeding to prosecution. Of the rape cases that are prosecuted, most either are plea-bargained down to a misdemeanor, dismissed for lack of evidence, or acquitted.
Far more rape accusations are false than result in a conviction. In the UK, false accusations of rape seem to be decreasing due to vigorous prosecutions of false accusers. As pointed out above, “unsubstantiated” doesn’t msan “false.” In the USA, prosecution of false accusers is rare.
It’s not women’s physiology we dislike. It’s the proceeds of the unsubdued female brain. The physical is just fine.
i read it all the way through and still think its disgusting! in a time when women are finally allowed to openly, without fear, say when they have been raped, someone like this comes along and say women actually WANT to be ignored when they say no, and all of us apparently want to be dominated! what era are you living in? women are the timid little creatures that they have been forced to be in the past! no is fucking no!
I read it all the way through every single disgusting word and if you think there is good info here.there is little to no hope for you ever being a decent
human being
Good stuff. Is there a collection of “misogynistic” quotes by famous historical figures out there? I would think their must be, as both us and the feminist would be interested in publishing such a list.
In the era of my grandfathers were natural game were at it’s peak in my country the men will game you make you feel like the only one with good passionate mindblowing sex but if you were a pain in the ass you would be just for the moment they would have abandoned you instantly many times with other women at their sleave. You are lucky you have nice men that treat you well in your country.
their should be there
Heh, the perfect quote for the occasion.
Many spanish and latin american men know that instinctly …and game too.
There are are about 87 things that jump to mind that makes your logic completely off base but just to not immediately dismiss you as a rapey mofo I can agree to an extent that women do like to be pursued and might resist to a certain degree but wow. You should probably add “screaming no while you pin her to the ground” as another sign you should stop and leave.
Also, NEWS FLASH: they have a right to change their mind. Maybe after seeing your shitty apartment and smelly laundry they change their mind. Fact is, if you are charming enough they won’t resist at all. And if they do, wait a date or two. You’re not a fucking monkey.
No [waiting] means no [waiting]. We’re not fucking dancing monkeys to amuse women, if they don’t want to play then they should stay home with the cats.
This article blows. Not the article, but the commenters. Prissy worried feminists that for the most part nobody here would wanna fuck anyway and White Knight faggots defending their noble honor.
Give me a break. Its like living in the 1800’s.
White knights are annoying as hell but how is this the 1800’s. Rape was no probs back then which might be what you prefer?
All I know is that I’ve known women who have gotten seriously messed up from being raped so I just rely on charm to have sex. But there is a grey area where some women are playing around when they say no and I’ve dated women who have rape fantasies which further complicates matters.
But if you have any emotional intelligence at all you should be able to tell the difference.
Also, close your mouth when you breathe.
What if your superior emotional intelligence leads you to being locked up for 10+ years?
Again, which specific sentences of this article advise on how to rape?
Thought so.
Wow, misogyny and homophobia all wrapped up in one neat little anonymous package. Surprise.
Wow, a snarky comment from a guy who has more comments than upvotes.
Strange as it apparently is to you, I’d rather be a decent person than set my life goal at “internet popularity”.
This isn’t about popularity, this is about the fact you consistently leave low quality comments. This is like telling an unpopular kid to shower and to have him respond, “I don’t care if I stink – having friends is stupid”.
LOL, a lesson on comment quality from someone who talks about “fatties”? Feel free to not like what I say. That’s your prerogative.
By the way, saying “this isn’t about popularity” and then creating a simile dependent on an appeal to popularity…yeah. You’re winning.
Have fun w/ your redundancy.
I created the simile to show how you’re wrong. The kid should shower so that he doesn’t stink, but he just assumes that he shouldn’t shower because he doesn’t want to become popular.
Please explain why you don’t think obesity is an enormous public health problem in the Western world or suggest any reason why fatties shouldn’t be criticized.
The only thing you showed is that you fail when it comes to applying logic. “It’s not about popularity. Let me demonstrate w/ a simile about popularity…”
Your continued use of the word “fatties” actually says everything about your perspective on who counts as real people. If you actually thought there were an issue w/ obesity, you’d be doing something constructive – not attempting to shame people into abiding by your standards of what is and isn’t acceptable. But no – you instead use words like “fatties” on the internet…because you’re just that much of a caring person. I would suggest you do some reflection on the fact that healthiness doesn’t always equate to being thin, but it’s pretty clear you already have your prejudices and, by golly, you’re going to stick with them!
Seeya.
I shame fatties because in most Western countries the health problems caused by obesity are fixed using funding from taxpayers. Moreover, there is no advantage to being obese. You will be taken less seriously in the workplace and will not have many available romantic partners.
I was comparing you to a lazy child because you are unable to leave comments that others enjoy reading. It’s not about popularity in either case — the thing that is similar is that both you and the child are delusional and assume that it’s about popularity, which unfortunately is a popular excuse among those who do not want to improve themselves. I called you out because you are incapable of leaving thoughtful comments that others are interested in reading. I don’t care at all if you’re popular on the internet or IRL, but if you’re incapable of leaving comments that others find worth reading then perhaps you should stop leaving comments or work to improve the quality of them. If you click on other commenters here at random you will find that the vast majority of them have more upvotes than comments.
I have no sympathy for those who lack self control. I am a “caring” person and donate a significant amount of my time to helping children and adolescents.
Homophobia? Just because he said ‘faggot’? Interesting… Am I a racist when I say ‘nigga’? And am I a car when I go “Vroom! Vroom!”, or a dumb president when I say “Yes we can!” ? I want answers NOW!
In other words, “I comment a certain way to please other people.” Nice way to rephrase “I need to be popular online.” If that’s your goal – it’s pretty middling. Needing to have people’s approval to know one’s doing okay is the prerogative of politicians. You clearly do care about popularity, and every time you claim you don’t and then proceed to tell me I’m somehow failing because, you know, I don’t have x amount of thumbs-up, you do nothing but demonstrate your own ability to understand what you yourself are talking about.
Actually, some people find there is an advantage in carrying weight; there are cultures that value full figures in both men and women, and entire subcultures in Western societies that find people who are carrying that weight attractive.
It may pay to realise that your own profession about having no sympathy for those who lack self-control applies just as much to you in your inability to behave in a way that shows compassion and seeks to understand any of the various social, cultural and potentially personal reasons a person might be overweight. You’d far rather not involve your brain and just call them fatties – and then break out the pseudo-intellectualism when someone actually points out that your criticisms of comment quality are hardly justified when you judge quality on how many up-votes a comment gets while still attempting to say quality isn’t the same as popularity.
Logic failure. Of the most supreme order.
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People like reading insightful comments that contribute to a discussion. I like to add these comments, and am usually awarded with upvotes if the comments added have any visibility. I do not comment for the sake of getting thumbs up, otherwise I would not be engaging you since it’s unlikely I’ll get any since our discussion will not have any visibility.
If someone wants to be fat then I do not want to pay for their medical bills, which is effectively what happens in most if not all Western countries. I do not shame subcultures that do not cause problems for me. The only people who I have a true disdain for are fatties, smokers and others who cause negative externalities. I think people should be able to live however they want, and should only be limited in that they cannot burden the rest of society with their actions. Being fat is a burden to other people, both through the public funding of health but also on airplanes or other tight spaces in public. If someone takes pride in being overweight then they should not be bothered by my comments, and if they are then they are no doubt fail to contribute anything to society. Cultures that value overweight people are almost exclusively primitive cultures who do not understand modern medicine.
Do you consider yourself to be a “decent person”? Do you do constructive things to help society instead of defending the honour of fatties?
You just proved out his comment douchebag.
Not the sharpest hammer in the toolbox are ya?
Seems to be his wet dream. Only he’d wish that she was fat.
I see he didn’t need any help proving himself to be homophobic and misogynist, no. But well done you for making that all the clearer!
How is calling overweight people “fatties” insightful?
Frankly you should know full-well that all comment threads are visible to anyone who wants to read them. You pander to your audience; clearly you fail to grasp that in saying “quality is shown by how many thumbs-up you get” what you’re doing is equating popularity with quality. That’s your view. Have at it. I won’t bother myself explaining why you shouldn’t claim you don’t do things to please people and make yourself Mr. Popular.
You do so like your broad and sweeping generalisations. Within western societies there are many cultures who value full-figured people; your statements about “primitive” societies is a hugely insensitive and quite ethnocentric one to make.
Shaming people who already deal w/ weight issues – which would, I imagine, be most given the attitude of people such as yourself and of society in general which idolises 0% body fat – does nothing to help them, but further isolates them and tells them how bad they are. In fact it’s that kind of behaviour that leads to a preoccupation with eating because people are driven into spiraling self-hatred which leads to greater disempowerment. Not only that but actually obesity often has a socio-economic factor; those who have money are more able to make better choices about what they eat and how much time they have to devote to working just to maintain some greater-than-impoverished standard of living. People who have to work most of their waking hours and don’t have time to research which food is best are often the ones that are most likely to access fast food and convenience food – which is, strangely enough, also the most likely to be placed in the easiest-to-reach places by way of physical location along major transport routes.
Which country are you from which causes you to be so right-wing about the fair use of your tax money? Which, by the way, if your government weren’t devoting it to health, it wouldn’t necessarily be spending it any more wisely. It’d be paying for politician expenses such as discounted travel costs. Strangely enough, though, overweight people pay taxes, too. They pay for you to be able to drive on a relatively safe road system so that you can, like the majority of them, go to work (presuming you work), which helps you earn your paycheque which you spend on an internet connection so you can jump online and play popularity contests and talk about how non-human overweight people are. Very short-sighted, and very lacking empathy – which is actually one of the key features of actual humanity.
I do, in fact, do constructive things to help society – I’m a NICU nurse. Though of course with your attitude about your taxes going to support the health of people you deem undeserving I’m sure you’ll find some way of arguing that that’s infringing on the quality of your life.
Don’t worry, though; I’m not particularly keen or bothered to further engage in this association. It isn’t adding to the quality of -my- life, so I’m off. Have fun with your narrow-minded judgements about who counts as a person and who doesn’t.
It’s a homophobic slur. It’s used because of that history. If you’re unaware of this, you may need to do some research. But of course I wouldn’t expect an open mind.
I’m not saying popularity = quality, which is obviously false. I’m saying that if very few people like them, then your comments are most likely of a very poor quality. I don’t equate a higher ratio of upvotes:comments as meaning that someone is more insightful, but when someone has very few upvotes it indicates their comments may not be of high quality.
Can you name a non-primitive society that values overweight people?
I do not idolize 0% body fat. I don’t take anyone seriously who has a very high body fat percentage and am disturbed by the fact that they can somehow find this as a point of pride or as something that should be acceptable. It is not hard to research “which food is best”, and it is delusional to claim it is. I do have some sympathy for poor people who are overweight, but they should nonetheless put forth the effort to control their weight. Moreover, I do think the government should take some responsibility by fighting the junk-food pushers and subsidize healthy food. My family earned <$20k but after prioritizing eating well obesity was not an issue. If someone is so offended by my use of the word fatties that it causes them to go into an eating spiral then I really don’t think there is any hope for them. We need to write them off as a society.
I live in Canada, and there is a lot of fiscal irresponsibility here. However, there are very few uses of taxpayer money worse than bailing out overweight people. A politician staying in a luxury hotel is more deserving of taxpayer money than extending the life of an obese person by a few years. Since overweight people are disproportionately poor, they also pay a disproportionately low amount in taxes; moreover, the cost of their surgeries are a cost that can be avoided if they took personal responsibility for their actions. I use obesity as a signalling mechanism for strength of character and ability to self regulate. If you can suggest a better mechanism for this, please let me know.
I’m not sure why you think I lack empathy. Obesity is a problem that only people rich enough to live in the first world face (except for a few cultures with an abundance of food but otherwise primitive) so my disdain for them does not show a lack of empathy for all humans. I’m sure you don’t feel empathy for rapists, murderers or business executives who bend the rules.
Nursing is a profession I have an immense amount of respect for, but it does not entitle you to assume that someone who doesn’t like people who lack self control are worse than you. Obese people impose a cost to society similar to drug addicts and criminals, and should be treated the same way. This means they should be treated as humans, but also should not be immune from ridicule for their poor life choices.
^ yet another White Knight faggot arries at RoK
We are doing something about obesity: shaming the fucking landwhales until they (with difficulty) get up off their 6 foot wide asses and start exercising and eating right.
fatty White Knight faggot
“Wow..just wow.”
Wow..just wow.
Wow…just wow.
Tell your sister not to ever come to Mumbai. We have a way to deal with women like them.
Actually, it’s a slur against *weak* or *effeminate* men much more than actual homosexuals in terms of sexual preference – and has always been so.
When the bully on the schoolyard call each other a “faggot”, he doesn’t mean that the callee likes it up the ass, but that he is a coward.
Of course there may be a connection.
NO ONE CARES
This homo garbage is completely natural, huh? You gonna call the CDC homophobic too? The same CDC underneath the current homosexuality-endorsing president?
It means you’re using a racist slur and therefore contributing to racism.
Feminist Troll trolll troll
This guy probably got offended at the Blurred Lines video.
I can imagine him now.
‘Those tits are too perfect to be seen on screen. CALL THE OBJECTIFICATION POLICE’
I actually love that video…AND tits.
Isn’t “I know you want it?” rapey though?
Not if he is right.
Lots of sexually frustrated bros on here. Hang in there brahs.
If you want to be taken seriously you shouldn’t swear in your comment, nor should you say “NEWS FLASH”.
I also don’t understand how most of you assume that the people who write for and read this site have shitty apartments and smelly laundry. It’s the antithesis of what we preach.
“NEWS FLASH” is pretty douchey. You’re right. And I wasn’t saying he has a shitty apartment. Just an example of why a girl might change her mind. And I despise women who play games like the author described but he simplified the issue way too much.
“Fact is, if you are charming enough they won’t resist at all.”
Wrong.
“And if they do, wait a date or two.”
You wait. I’ll be busy fucking.
“You’re not a fucking monkey.”
Yes I am. And so are you. And so is everybody.
Your ‘opinion’ comes from borrowed knowledge and propaganda. Mine comes from a lot of real world experience corroborated by a lot of other guys with a lot of real world experience.
You live in the world of theory and inventive fiction. We live in the real world where we know how to pull the strings. That’s the difference.
Vince, your sexual frustration is showing and your claims about me are hilariously way off as I do very well with women and do not wait around. If a woman wants to play games I move on to the next one. I don’t degrade myself by pulling on her clothes until she relents but thanks for playing.
So let me clarify, a lot of men have definitely become weak and feminine which is super fucking annoying and in my experience women do like a man who takes charge and is firm and goes hard in bed. And while being charming helps, part of seducing a woman does also include pushing past her objections as you state but where we differ is how you add anger and frustration to the equation claiming that what you is so agressive you seem really hung up on getting charged with rape. If your game is so weak that at the end of your “conquests” you feel worried she might call rape on you then you are doing it wrong pal.
You took a excellent topic and wrote a sloppy article with no depth or substance at all when it could have been great. Your article wreaks of anger and frustration towards women who I assume you like when it would have been better if you just discussed the issue in a creative and insightful way.
learn not to post duplicates, moron.
Vince, your sexual frustration is showing and your claims about me are hilariously way off as I do very well with women and do not wait around. If a woman wants to play games I move on to the next one. I don’t degrade myself by pulling on her clothes like a weak little school boy until she relents but thanks for playing.
So let me clarify, a lot of men have definitely become weak and
feminine which is super fucking annoying and in my experience women do like a man who takes charge and is firm and goes hard in bed sometimes. And while being charming helps, part of seducing a woman does also include pushing past her objections as you state but where we differ is how you add anger and frustration to the equation claiming that what you is so agressive you seem really hung up on getting charged with rape. If your
game is so weak that at the end of your “conquests” you feel worried she might call rape on you then you are doing it wrong pal.
You took a excellent topic and wrote a sloppy article with no depth
or substance at all when it could have been great. Your article wreaks of anger and frustration towards women who I assume you like when it would have been better if you just discussed the issue in a creative and insightful way.
PS. If you are getting resistance while living in Thailand, a place where I might have gotten propositioned 30 times (not all prostitutes) in 4 days then you truly are a weak little man.
Where exactly does the author discuss “anger and frustration”?
The entire central points of your argument –> blown away.
Huh?
A woman can claim rape after any sex.
^ yet another sackless mangina arrives at RoK
Another internet tough guy making unbased claims on a complete stranger. Classic.
I have never, in my life, said “no” but actually meant “yes.” I went to a guy’s room this one time because I had a crush on him and wanted to spend time with him. And because of stuff like THIS, he didn’t believe me that struggling and “I don’t want to” genuinely meant “no.”
You should not have gone to his room. Then you wouldn’t have faced this possibility. Have coffee with your “crush” at “Starbucks instead. Problem solved.
Or perhaps it should be expected that people accept “no” as meaning “no”. Bedroom =/= automatically permitted to force sex upon someone without consent (rape).
Obviously. Women go to bedroom to play chess half-naked. No one should expect sex in that situation.
Who said anything about half-nakedness? The goal may be privacy, not sex.
To pass state secrets, right, moron?
You’re right! I guess trusting that most men won’t rape me is too lofty a hope.
Oh wait, but that would just make me one of those silly feminists who insist all men are rapists!
You jump on a dick and call it “rape”. Sorry, you’re still a slut
Yeah, you should never go to a man’s house unless you’re looking to get raped. Obvious.
The sexes exist for reproduction. When men and women are alone, there is a natural inclination for a sexual charge to develop between them. The best way to prevent any misunderstanding is for women to choose not to be alone with men they have no interest in having sex with. It’s that simple. Problem solved.
Why are you going to a man’s house alone in the first place? What is your agenda? What do you need from him by being alone that you cannot procure from meeting in a public place? Unless you are an international spy passing along state secrets, meet him in a coffee shop. Problem solved.
She is just a slut – attention whore period. Wants to tease guys if they try something – call it rape.
Makes for great Twitter – Facebook material.
Except that presupposes that all men are wanton rapists, too.
Snark all you want, but if you know you’re not ready to move into a sexual relationship with a guy then do this when he asks you to his room:
“I like you, but I want to take this slow. Can we go out again? Give me your number.”
Or
“This place is too buy. Let’s go to a coffee shop and talk”.
The guy instantly knows: not yet.
Keep the dating public until you make that decision. You have less common sense than the 50’s dating scene you mocked where women had chaperones. Men knew exactly where they stood.
There was a time when this was actually indeed considered fairly obvious. It was many centuries ago, before the rise of democracy and all the liberal brainwashing.
Come to my bedroom pumpkin I’ll do it right 😉 muaaach lol
What about men? What if THEY say no to a woman? Should she rearrange her tactics and coerce him into sex until he says yes?
I do know male rape victims. It’s not funny.
I think you need to learn about what ‘coerce’ and ‘force’ mean.
Hm, except the focus of this article is coercion.
Persuasion?
Persuasion would suggest willingness. A person can be coerced to do something against their will, though. Coercion and force aren’t the same thing by any means, but the article never mentioned force as a good thing.
Unless you’re referring to victims of homosexual or prison rape, you’re full of it. That’s not how anatomy works, sweetheart.
Is there a way we could “persuade” you to leave our site Mr. White Knight Mangina Ball-less female bootlicking faggot.
Sorry, hope that wasnt being too mean to a sensitive new-age metrosexual like yourself…
Oh wow, you’re so strong and powerful – a real role model! – clearly w/ no insecurities at all, what w/ all your name-calling, homophobia and general need to abuse others into not coming anywhere near you in case, you know, you have to start thinking about stuff! And all this w/ your name up there for all to see. Oh, wait.
Fear not, though, I’d rather discontinue my association w/ the overwhelming lack of empathy and critical thinking ability present on this site.
It’s ok. It’s because of Psi I can come into your country with a HB1 and take away jobs from you lazy Americans.
“persuade (an unwilling person) to do something by using force or threats.”
>by using force or threats
>force
>threats
At least read a fucking dictionary you daft cunt.
Think about it this way.
Say you have this buddy and you go over to his house to do whatever. Just chill or something. You’re chilling in his room and suddenly he makes these unwanted sexual advances.
What if you were actually turned on by it secretly and he just thought you were resisting because that’s apparently how we do things around here. Would that still be ok?
You are missing one variable, having a liking in the first place.
How would a male know for sure if the woman has a liking, in your average situation?
Even if she does have a liking, would that make unwanted sexual advances so much less scarring?
Just because a girl is straight or has a crush on a certain person doesn’t mean they should make unwanted sexual advances. The liking for the person is one thing, the disliking of the advances is the problem. Not every woman is looking to be coerced in such a matter.
Easy solution. Become a fucking lesbian and never look at or talk to guys again.
Or become a nun.
But I guess that would be mens fault too huh?
“Coerced”?
Really? I don’t know about you, but a girl saying they have a crush on a guy means that they see him in a sexual way, at least a little bit. I don’t have a “crush” on all my friends, just the ones I’d like to have sex with.
I once knew a girl was into me just through 10 seconds of eye contact.
I had sex with her the following day. A cute 7 if I recall. You can tell quite easily sometimes.
A woman could be in a committed relationship with someone they are extremely attracted to and have had sex with before and refuse sex and continuation of sexual advances would be a huge violation.
I know where you’re going with this darling, and I understand your confusion. It’s just the grey area effect, you see? Just because one woman liked you and wanted to have sex with you immediately doesn’t mean that’s a formula for anyone else. In fact, there is no formula, it’s really unpredictable for the most part. That’s why “no” is a universal safeword for those kinds of things.
I said nothing about males as a whole. Don’t misunderstand me. Most men are lovely creatures who are very compassionate and understanding. They’re just people after all. Men aren’t monsters.
Just the continuation of the idea that it is ok for men to claim sexual control over women is ridiculous! No gender should have absolute control, it should be an effort.
That’s kind of what feminism is about anyway. It truly isn’t about overpowering men, I promise. That’s only the extremists.
You don’t, actually.
Aside from that B-grade smokescreen tactic, the point is being able to intuit what someone means when they speak. Any man worth his salt can discern a real no from feigned resistance. Ergo this article has merit, as the latter does occur.
It’s no good to insult, you’ll catch more flies with honey than vinegar sweetheart.
My point is that even if that is true, that must mean a lot of men aren’t worth their salt. I can’t tell you how many friends I have that have had a problem in which a male (or female) has thought they liked them. Sometimes they did like them, and these people ended up initiating unwanted sexual interactions. It tears people up man, you have to understand. People read this article and it immediately reminds them of all the times guys have taken this advice and have failed utterly. The horror stories tear us apart and scare us to death.
Yes. Men are scary sometimes, but should they be?
It wasn’t an insult, maybe put another layer on, that skin will get cold.
They aren’t, that’s a fair assessment. We cannot all be Kings, and most of us will not even aspire to be. I pride myself on my seduction capabilities but I will never be at a point where I am not entirely confident the girl was up for it. In fact, I find all men who use alcohol as lubricants or misdirection to lure women into the sack as lower-caste scum.
You can be a man of boldness and smash through resistance without being a man that forces his will upon girls in a way that compromises their sense of safety and comfort. In all honesty a woman’s openness is an ally to the very idea of seduction.
You see, this is less about how you evaluate your own game and more about how people use this mentality displayed in the article and cause harm with it. It isn’t just misdirection, I don’t know if you realize this, but the article says that using pressure is a valid way to get laid. Who cares about my opinion, but between the article and some of these popular comments, it becomes clear that there is a lot of misunderstandings and anger that come along with this sort of thing.
*only mildly related, sort of*
The thing is, this website is all about making men into the best men they can be. Except it isn’t really. There’s a lot of things that devalue other people on here, and that’s no way for a man or anybody to be. Since you apparently respect women and their right to choose what they do and do not want, you probably agree that this isn’t very nice.
Yes, I know, call me a baby or whatever. There are nasty things on the internet. It’s really that this website has shocking influence for the things it has on it. I fail to see where everyone has suddenly decided that males and females are so exceedingly different. I guess it has a lot to do with society and what tradition and values mean to people. The thing is, agree or disagree, I think that when you strip away the changes in western culture and look at the other ways in which we’ve changed, you can kind of see why things aren’t traditional anymore.
I don’t know if I’m arguing you or if you’ll agree or what, I just want to put it out there in case you’re getting any wrong ideas, or anyone is. I know for certain there are a lot of people reading this with their blood boiling, but I don’t know why they would be so angry. The goal in the end is to achieve equality and a lot less fighting, that’s what I think. The only problem there would be that maybe some men don’t want women in power and some women don’t want men to have power. So again, we’re equal.
Yeah, whatever, just random ranting.
It’s about ruining the she-resists-he-persists game as evident by your line of argumentation. There is a grey area between the guy who jumps a stranger girl from the bushes and vanilla sex between two lovers.
I kind of like that game, so do many women. There need to be rules, but “no means no” is obviously not acceptable. If it was, I quite simply wouldn’t have sex, because a girl who doesn’t resist is, frankly, not attractive. It’s like eating carrion.
There used to be the rule that you had to marry her, and then she was yours. That makes sense to me.
I don’t know what the rules are today, because those that get thrown around are neither much observed nor do they make sense to me.
You cannot control perception. Ultimately people will interpret words through their paradigm of thought.
I think in an overall sense the image of self-mastery is slightly different per person, and the site reflects that in stark, brutal honesty. As men we can also agree that it can be prudent to devalue, because an empathetic approach can have the knife-edge result of encouraging the unwanted behaviour, due the person lacking an appreciation for the severity of the problem.
You mean well, I can tell, but equality isn’t strictly possible. Equal opportunity is, but all that does is go to show equality is a flawed concept. We are hugely different as a gender, and that must be observed, that is exactly the root of all things traditional. It should be self-evident at this point.
I don’t think conflict is a problem, feminism has devastated and polluted the image of women almost irrevocably due to their own agendas and emotional instabilities. This site is one of many intelligent rebuttals.
Umm.
Tits or GTFO?
You are not serious here are you? When a man goes time spending with another man, this man is gay, would you say the same? Such degrading stupid stuff here…
You should blame women. I think every guy has, at some point, had to convince a girl to have sex with him and turned a no into a yes. It’s what salesmen do all the time. If salesmen gave up at every no they would never make any money and no guy would ever get laid.
This teaches men that they need to be persistent to get laid, and that a no can easily become a yes with the right approach. If women never changed their minds then this wouldn’t happen.
So… what you’re saying is that women actually already have complete control in potentially sexual encounters?
Salesmen don’t generally stick their dicks in your body. That’s rape.
I’m not really sure what you’re saying here. There will always be some rapists who will force themselves on women regardless. The problem is that there is a huge grey area because many women put up fake resistance as part of the courting process. Numerous times I’ve heard women say “I wasn’t going to fuck him but he was just so persistent I gave in”. What kind of message does that send to men?
I’m saying that women teach men to rape:
To use that article to make my own point, it does say to stop when someone says “no” because of the ambiguity of the situation. Therefore while the situation is confusing, there is a clear way to make decision. If you don’t know for sure, if it’s in the grey area, assume that it is really “no”.
I wouldn’t say you’d find the risk of hurting someone in such a matter worth it.
That means the woman didn’t really want to do it but you practically forced her into it. I’ve never had a female friend tell me “I wasn’t going to and did because he was persistent.” And I have never fucked a guy because he was persistent. I told him to GTFO.
I’m not talking about myself here by the way. I’m generally not a very persistent guy for this very reason, I don’t want to be a creep, but SO many times I’ve heard women say this about other guys.
As I said, maybe you’re unique. But more than likely you’re just ignorant of what actually has happened. We see what we want to see. Women like to think “oh it just happened, it was so romantic”, when in fact there were a clear and obvious set of things that led to what happened.
I think it’s funny that feminists bemoan a slut culture and how they feel inhibited by it, but won’t admit to ever ACTUALLY being inhibited by it. They’re always the elusive, straightforward “yes, I find you attractive, let’s go back to my apartment and have sex” women. Likely story.
I would always stop if a person said so. I’m just saying that because men have to be the perusers 99% of the time, it’s REALLY confusing for us when you don’t know whether “let’s just be friends” or “we aren’t going to have sex” means just that, or if it means “I need more convincing”. It’s really sad and I wish it were otherwise, but the only way it is going to be otherwise is if women stop with the fucking ridiculous tests and games and start being honest.
*pursuers
PRO TIP: Holding someone down and having sex with them while they struggle and tell you to stop isn’t “convincing.”
I fail to see where the author or any comment on this thread endorsed such behavior.
Perhaps you are projecting your own desires into your comments.
Except that guys are taught, by women, to be persistent and to continue DESPITE RESISTANCE. That’s my point, no guy would get laid if he ignored resistance. Some guys take it too far, sure, but it’s made a fuckload worse because women make resistance PART OF SEDUCTION. I had a girl tell me she wanted to be friends then was sucking my cock an hour later. That tells me that her ‘no’ doesn’t mean very much.
I HATE persistent guys. I think it is annoying and a turn off and downright desperate. If I want to fuck you, I want to fuck you. If I don’t, your whininess and desperation is going to just make it worse.
Or she sucks every guy friend’s dick
One woman’s desperation is another woman’s confidence, is it not? So you’ve NEVER changed your mind about a guy? I find that to be obvious bullshit.
The very concept of playing hard to get is evidence enough of this.
the author stated “wrestle their panties off” in the article. if she says no he shouldn’t be wrestling anything off. And her being wet doesn’t necessarily mean she wants sex. Men get erections sometimes without wanting sex.
So now “wrestle their panties off” == “holding someone down and having sex with them while they struggle and tell you to stop.”
Are you sure you’re not a woman?
That happens to me if I drink too many fluids before going to bed at night. I believe the scientific term is “piss boner”.
So you’re convincing a girl to do something she doesn’t want to do? How is this a woman’s fault? According to the logic of this site, women are sluts if they say yes too much, but should be pushed into having sex even if they don’t want to because it is your right?
And I’ve never had to be convinced because I know how I treat sex. I don’t have it until I’m ready and trust the person. No amount of “sales” has convinced me otherwise.
That’s great that you are open and upfront about sex. Perhaps you are one of the rare women that doesn’t shit test guys and instead is just honest and isn’t ashamed of being called a slut so will not say no then change that to yes. I applaud you then. Unfortunately most girls aren’t like that.
“women are sluts if they say yes too much, but should be pushed into having sex even if they don’t want to because it is your right?”
Please show me on this website where it says it is a man’s right to have sex with a woman.
I find it spurious though that you think you are immune to sales techniques. Sales is to make the best case possible for something in the hope that you will change your mind. Nobody is advocating holding women down and fucking them, the problem is that ‘no’ is often used simply a smokescreen so she doesn’t feel like a slut. That sends a terribly conflicting message.
Slutty men want to bang slutty women. Not a difficult concept to grasp.
So does calling women who enjoy sex a “slut.”
I am immune to a “sales” technique as I have never had sex with someone I have known shorter than a couple of months. By then, I know his character and trust him enough.
See, I believe what is happening here is that it actually kind of says that in the article a little bit.
About how men should be reclaiming their dominance and whatnot, yeah. That sends off alarm bells.
It’s spoken of in the article as if men are entitled, especially if the situation is confusing. So yeah, that’s where.
It’s a person’s individual choice, male or female, to have lots of sex or abstain from it. Slutty is a meaningless insult.
A better user name for you would have been Mike Hunt.
Duh, men are entitled to a hot woman’s vagina. HELLO, have you not read this site?
“Trust” a person? What does that even mean to you? Seriously. And of the men you’ve chosen to “trust” how many have ultimately left after they got what they wanted? Your “trust” radar is broken.
I didn’t say that a woman who enjoys sex is a slut. I said they FEEL like a slut.
That’s fine, but I’ve had a similar situation. Knew a girl for a couple of months, fellow student, we went out on what I thought was a date, tried to kiss her and she “just wanted to be friends”. That’s cool, no problem. At the end of the night after a few drinks she decides to get in the the cab with me, even though we live in opposite directions. Figured she had changed her mind, awesome! We get to my house, and I ask her in for a drink, she says no and laughs “what did you think I was going to fuck you or something?”. Was a bit disconcerted but OK, fine.
Speak to her the next day and ask what the deal was with coming to my house when she lives on the opposite side of town. She says “I was waiting for you to ask me again, I would have come in”.
To cut a long story short, I slept with her a few nights later but it is a perfect example of what I mean.
Eh. Maybe women wouldn’t do that if guys weren’t generally pushy.
Uh, none? Because I was in a relationship for several months to several years with all of them. And my “trust” radar is broken? How do you even know?
So you’re saying that all men will use sales pitches on women and then leave them? That’s a lovely picture you paint of the “superior” gender.
Because you don’t agree with me and I’m a woman and you have no other retort?
No, slutty is an adjective that also happens to be an insult. If you have sex with multiple partners you’re a promiscuous slut no matter what gender you are.
You’re free to be a slut, but don’t pretend like you’re not a slut.
Yeah, uh, where does it say that in the article?
Not according to the mission statement of this site!
The Mike Hunt comment was for Jim Squire not you. Somehow Disqus screwed up the order of the comments again.
But as far as you?
You seem like a stuck up cunt – and I wish you would just go away. Since you have had so many boyfriends and relationships I wouldnt think it would be hard for you to get a date and go out to a movie or restaurant instead of hanging around here harassing us. Myabe they will be nice guys and not even try anything. Then you can get a free movie and dinner off of them
Win / Win.
well what you read is MY statement. Yes, there are biological differences, yes, it is harder for men to be promiscuous than it is for women, but that doesn’t make the man less of a slut.
This is a classic example of female thought behaviour. The author isn’t personally addressing you.
Sometimes a no isn’t a no. You cannot tell me females follow a line of absolution when a ‘fine’ isn’t a ‘sure, go ahead’ or an ‘okay’ is secretly a ‘I am completely not for this course of action’.
See, but you must understand. Us feminists don’t encourage women to do that kind of thing either really. We encourage them to say “no” when they mean it when there is nothing else to turn to.
Exactly. I don’t know any women who have been charmed by persistence….mostly just turned off by it.
If that’s the case, you’re failing spectacularly.
Feminists also have trouble conveying most of their messages due to extremists and the portrayal of all feminists as man-hating, power-hungry women who want to tear the world apart.
What the heck kind of women are you sleeping with?
Probably men who do not understand that persistence is only useful when the battle is already won.
The extremists ARE feminism. You’re just nodding your head along with the rest. Are you out there publishing articles challenging extremist positions? The extremists control the narrative, the rhetoric and the ideology. They dictate, you follow.
feminism dictionary Def : belief in women’s rights: belief in the need to secure rights and opportunities for women EQUAL to those of men.
The more you know
“The extremists control the narrative, the rhetoric and the ideology. ”
exactly, well said
You let me know when feminists start practicing the dictionary definition
Why dont you go join a nunnery.
Then you will never have to worry about all us terrible men ever again.
Because I don’t think all men are terrible and in fact am in love with one at the moment! Crazy concept that a feminist can actually love men, isn’t it?!!
I feel sorry for him. You are a real bitch.
Anyway, I’m spending far too much time on this article. I need to take a nap so I can fuck my boyfriend when he gets home…who has never once had sex with men if I have said no or has tried to convince me otherwise.
So he’s had sex with men when you said yes?
TMI…
LOL I meant me.
Yikes. Based on the article about short hair and this one, I feel downright encouraged to shave my head completely and to encourage other women to do the same. Perhaps it will prevent me from being in a “No means Yes” situation with one of you despicable animals.
I think girls who say no but mean yes are the real issue here. Go ahead and shave your head to spite men. I’m sure it’ll save them some time.
Can feminists stop hate reading this site? I liked the intelligent/entertaining conversations before, not all the “I can’t even”, “wow, just wow”, and various insults.
I wasn’t thinking of it in a way to “spite” men. I am legitimately afraid of being raped. I was very nearly date raped once by a “friend.” I was steadily saying “No, no, no” and he continued to pull my clothes off and touch me until another (male) friend overhead and stopped him.
Pulled your clothes off? I can barely do that if the girl is cooperating.
Carry a gun that you can operate, you’ll never ever be raped. What’s that, a look of disappointment clouding your face? When is your trip to India?
That’s unfortunate. Don’t ugly yourself down. Just make smart decisions. I drive my own car on dates so I’m in control of taking myself there and back, and I don’t go to a guys place who I don’t want to sleep with. It sends the wrong idea. There are many precautions you can take to avoid these situations. Some people are just bad people but overall using your head can easily help you avoid these situations.
If you think a hairstyle encourages rape then you should attend a slutwalk and stop being such a misogynist.
Yeah, I mean – I was in town visiting friends when this guy (a mutual friend) stopped by. My friend whose house it was handled the situation. I never go home with anyone I don’t know and trust.
India?
Join a convent. I dont think they even allow men behind their walls.
Whoa whoa… how dare you suggest women make smart decisions… we should just teach men to not rape duh!
“It’s YOUR fault!”
There is a genuine problem in that the cat-mouse game men and women play to each others enjoyment is sometimes difficult to tell apart from the real thing, even to the participants.
The institution of marriage was once meant to solve this problem, among others – but it has been morphed into something else entirely.
I would like nothing more than clear rules on what is and isn’t allowed, but I’m not going to lose out on sex just because women reward men who cross their lines (pass their shit-tests).
Kate is a voice of reason in an unreasoning world. I am sick of all those only men can prevent rape BS campaigns. I really want to carry a sign to one of these rallies that says, “Quit telling us not to leave our keys in the ignition when we park our car; tell them to quit stealing our cars.”
Yes of course because no woman has ever said no and not meant it. This has never happened in the history of mankind nor could ever possibly occur…
Gangbang!
Please do so. You and all the other nervous nelliy fuglies can drop out of the dating pool. We wont miss ya!
Please do that as it will facilitate my desire to avoid political women. I’m not being sexist either: I run away from political men too.
You do realise shaving your head because of something you read on the internet to spite men you’ll never meet and have no influence over your day to day existence is, to put it bluntly, sign that you’re mentally-unbalanced, and just reinforces the stereotype we have of short-haired chicks being crazy?
“Boy, I sure showed that random blogger existing somewhere out there in the world!”
Abandon feminism, and embrace cognitive behaviour therapy and anti-depressants. Life can be better than it is. These women who are claiming to be your sisters are encouraging insanity in you..
Dude. I am not really going to shave my head (and in fact, I don’t even have short hair). It’s called hyperbole. Also, way to (further) stigmatize mental illness. I’ve been fortunate to live a balanced and satisfied life, but I don’t believe in the shaming of those who haven’t achieved such balance.
But, you are right to point out that this entire conversation is basically inconsequential and not worth investing energy in. I suppose that could be applied to the dissenters and to the “Amen” corner on any website.
” Perhaps it will prevent me from being in a “No means Yes” situation with one of you despicable animals.”
Predictable, unoriginal ad hominem insult. Check.
” I’ve been fortunate to live a balanced and satisfied life”
Boasts about how great her life is. Check.
“I am legitimately afraid of being raped”
Female logic. Check.
Too much reality in this comment.
congratulations for having read a new statesmen article suggesting women cut their hair short to deny they’re trying to get male attention. Because the denial appeals to pride which is even hotter than vanity isn’t that right?
http://www.newstatesman.com/laurie-penny/2014/01/women-short-hair-political-statement – feminist responds to ROKs article
Yeah we all saw that a few days ago.
The whole if you don’t agree with me you won’t get pussy idea doesn’t work, because it implies you’re desirable in the first place, whereas you’re probably fat, ugly and feminist all at once.
http://iheartthreadbared.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/dykes-cover1.jpg
Shave your head, you’ll be doing everyone a favor
hurry up and do it already, then you will be safe from those men you fear so much, and men will know from one glance at you that you are a complete waste of time – it’s a win/win all around
Please do. You save yourself from a potential embarassing situation and you save a man from 20+ years in prison. If you are not interested make it painfully obvious, for the benefit of all of us, male and female.
This is disgusting. I have never said no and meant yes. You degrade women who have sex, yet you also think they’re no means yes. So basically, in your head, all women are just there for your own pleasure–to rape, make fun of, serve you and brutalize for your own needs. Especially the beautiful ones. Non-beautiful women don’t even deserve to live.
Dude, you’re fucking sick.
Truth can be a sickening thing, hopefully you now know what men go through and how crazy women are even when it comes to simple basic understanding of words every 2 year old knows “NO/YES”
Spoken by a non beautiful woman, really now? Find the lies in this article without putting your own assumptions or interpretations in it. Double Dare you!
How do you know what I look like?
I asked my bird to rim my ass. Initially she said no. 10 minutes later she knew what I had for lunch…..
You sound fat.
Most women publicly or on the net will say “I have NEVER said NO and meant YES, you’re a horrible person!!!”
Yet in real life it’s common for a woman to say no and it’s only a shit test. Every time a woman has said no (when it comes to sex) I simply play a game (“That’s fine I am tired as hell and need the sleep” or “Who says I want to have sex with you and not just fool around? I don’t have sex with just any girl” or “That’s fine it’s late and it’s a good time for you to go, I will call you a cab” and guess what magically happens? She initiates sex when I show lost of interest or have a I don’t give a shit / I can get laid when I want attitude.
Women – you can’t have it both ways – you can’t say No means Yes and No means No, get your shit straight.
I have saidn ‘no’ and meant ‘yes’ on only two occasions that I can think of. Both times I made it clear that my ‘no’ was playful, either by laughing or smiling. I have said ‘no’ and meant ‘no’ only for my partner to beg and cajole, telling me that I was already there and so why not? When I still said no, said that I didn’t want to go that far yet, he got angry and asked me why I was being such a fucking prude, and I finally relented because I didn’t want to be a bad girlfriend. I was sixteen years old and he took my virginity.
TL;DR,
No can mean no, even after you’ve forced a yes.
So, you agreed but then you say you were “forced.” Typical.
Expecting a woman to take responsibility for her actions is like expecting a chicken to build a space ship. It’s just not going to happen.
Phinn, you need to learn a little respect.
What is there to respect? Who is going to teach me this respect?
Our friend Kyra here apparently has no understanding of moral agency. She stated that she agreed to sex, then later claimed she was forced. Do you not see that this self-contradiction, in the span of about 3 seconds, is the whole point of this article, and the point of every False Rape Allegation article on this site and others? Kyra has, in one paragraph, summed up the situation better than all of them — “I decided to fuck him, but I was forced.”
Anyway, thanks for your advice about what I need, but I never take advice from women.
You do realize the lady said she was 16 years old, yes? I forgot all 16 year olds know exactly what they are doing, and they are always right, and never ever pressured into doing anything. You speak of comprehending moral agency, I’m curious on where you learn this school of thought? Are you a Neitzschian or a dirty old Kantian?
So, she’s old enough to decide for herself about whether to have sex, but not old enough to take responsibility for her decisions about having sex. Got it.
You’re as self-contradictory as Kyra.
Oh my god. She didn’t want to have sex, but she was pressured into it. Sure, she said yes, so it wasn’t rape. But she was still pressured by her male partner who should have known better than to persist after she clearly stated she wasn’t ready. That isn’t rape, but it is taking advantage of people.
Phinn, a woman being pressured into saying yes isn’t saying yes because she’s into it. She’s saying yes because she’s being intensely pressured into it. I encourage you to look up the word “coercion” – The intimidation of a victim to compel the individual to do some act against his or her will by the use of psychological pressure, physical force, or threats – When someone agrees to do something through coercion, they’re not to blame, the person who applied the psychological pressure, physical force or threats is.
If you use coercion to get someone into a position they don’t actually want to be in, for example, to give in and have sex that you’re forcing upon them, you’re guilty of rape even if they have eventually said “yes”.
This can happen to men also, men get coerced into doing things all the time, I’m sure you can find examples when someone has pushed you into doing something you didn’t actually want to do and you regretted afterwards. That’s what Kyra is talking about. Try being a human being, man, it’s way sexier than this alpha male rapist bullshit.
Well. She WAS forced. In a way. Kyra told us that she reluctantly agreed. I wonder what kind of a man takes advantage when a woman reluctantly agree.
And when your daughter says no to her older boyfriend and he gets mad, so she says ‘okay’ because she’s scared and naive and believes that this asshole is the love of her life and loosing him seems devastating to a young, quivering heart. And then she cries while he rips her open, while he whispers “it’ll only hurt for a little while”. Then she comes home crying, upset and feeling like something inside of her has just been stolen; you’ll be on his side, right? You’ll be sure to tell her “It’s your fault, you asked for it. Take responsibility for your actions, slut.”
Expecting an ignorant, empathy lacking excuse of a man to understand the importance of respect and consent in a relationship and to demand that of both acting parties is like asking Phinn to think before he speaks; it’s just not going to happen!
That’s not as light as “taking advantage,” that is rape. It’s like a child asking their parents over and over and throwing a holy shit fit until they say yes and the parents are up the fucking wall. She’s frustrated. She isn’t consenting. That. Is. Rape.
Gee, tell us another story, ryleerae. You have such a vivid imagination.
I guess it’s too much to expect that people (i.e., women) converse in terms of reason and evidence and reality, rather than through fairy tales, make-believe, emotional tear-jerkers and your own sordid histories.
Your post is nothing but a shining example of female solipsism rearing its ugly head. Again.
If you don’t see the difference between “Have sex or I’ll murder you” and “Have sex or I’ll break up with you,” then you’re an even bigger idiot than I already think you are.
See, it’s only “force” if someone does (or threatens to do) something that the putative victim has a right not to experience (e.g0., not be murdered or beaten or robbed, etc.). But no one has the right not to be dumped for being a frigid girlfriend, or for ANY reason. Men actually get to dump girls they don’t want to date, at any time, for any reason, because adult relationships are voluntary.
If she’s going to play at having an adult relationship by being sexually active, then she can learn to accept that the things she does in order to keep a boyfriend from dumping her aren’t coercive or “forced.”
Threatening to break up is not force. The male had the right to break up with her. In contrast, he didn’t have the right to shoot her, for example, so threatening to shoot her would have been force. See the difference?
“Reluctant agreement” is just another way of saying that she did what she needed to do to keep a boyfriend.
Is it “force” if I refuse to buy a car until the dealer lowers the price? No, because I have the right to walk away and refuse to buy the car, for any reason I want. Likewise, it’s not force to say (or imply), “Have sex or I’ll walk away from this relationship.”
Or is the male somehow obligated to remain her boyfriend indefinitely, even though he’s not getting what he wants?
Its like expecting a fish to ride a bicycle.
You know she could join a nunnery?
I think a lot of the females posting here should consider it.
Since all us men are soooo terriblllllleeeee
Fuck off cunt.
Respectfully.
White.Fucking.Knight
White Knight convention in town?
Join the Man-Hater convention over on the east side of the conference hall.
Hmmm. So what your saying is..
Men want “equality”?
What a concept.
Oh wait. That only works for womyn.
You.Are.An.Idiot.
In a feminists mind even when it isnt Rape its Rape.
That’s a gem of a rejoinder. The guy gave a well thought out arguement and all you can come up with are immature jibes. Claps for you!
The desperate kind
He/She is definitely an IDIOT!
Phinn you’re so full of shit. So you think every 16 year old has the maturity of a normal adult to take such decisions.
Clearly your lack of presence of mind is obvious. As mark stated, coercion also includes psychological pressure. This means breaking up and losing out on what an immature 16 year old thinks is a everlasting relationship.
I can’t believe how stupid and ignorant you are. Your arguments are clearly baseless.
Despite the fact that she was coerced into having sex with this older boyfriend of hers, she didn’t file a False Rape Allegation, as you said, most women do. I’m not saying no women like this exist, but I’m pretty sure any sensible woman would not want that kind of attention that a False rape allegation would call for.
For fuck’s sake grow up.
How fucking shallow are you? If you think not having sex yet and waiting for a little while (especially in the case of a 16 year old) then why don’t you and whoever else thinks similarly go to a fucking prostitute who actually earns money off of having sex with ignorant fucks like you.
So do you, Stephanie.
Expecting the immature, barely-qualifying-as-child modern woman to stand up for herself and take responsibility for the situations she puts herself in before crying rape and using every white-knight male in the world to protect her non-existent virtue after the fact is like asking ryleerae and other female trolls to think before they speak. It’s not going to happen because they have no capability for self-reflection.
Instead, these “modern”, and “strong and independent” women turn into babies incapable of being responsible for their own actions as soon as they give in to someone seducing them.
It says a lot about your understanding if you honestly think that the scenario ryleerae described is fictional, and doesn’t happen to people (men AND women) all the time.
Women try to paint a scenario for you to understand her perspective and why your opinion is flawed and your thinking probably has a few holes, you call it fairy tales. A woman tries to relay her own personal experiences to you about being raped, and how her clear and defiant “No” actually meant “no!” and you blame her, or make up some detail about how she wasn’t clear, or she’s a slut, or how it’s somehow her fault. (And if a woman’s stories of rape don’t count as evidence, then why do your personal stories of how you’ve “pushed past a woman’s defiance to get laid” count as evidence to the contrary? Hypocrisy!)
Hell, I could go through the effort of giving you facts, statistics, or any number of information, and you’d just question the validity of the sources, regardless of who I actually quote.
It’s clear your close-minded. You think what you want to think about women, and the experiences they have. You don’t care about reason, or intelligence or reality. What a joke!
For example, as you’ve been reading this, I’ll bet you’ve been picturing me as a female, haven’t you? You’ve been imagining me as fat, or as ugly, or as whatever you need to to make yourself feel better. The REALITY is that your head is shoved so far up your ass, you wouldn’t know REALITY if it came up and raped you.
He probably just inferred it from hearing that 16 is old enough to fight in wars for men and that girls mature earlier.
Conflating coercion (a gun to your head) with pressure (getting angry) is nothing short of moral bankruptcy.
Just for clarification: Does this “coercion” you are talking about qualify for rape? Did the boy in this scenario rape the girl by putting up “psychological pressure”?
So, by the same logic, a man being pressured into giving up all his money has no responsibility for his own actions. Saying yes is consent regardless of what pressure was applied. If women are so weak willed that they cannot be responsible for their own actions regardless of the pressure put on them, then they’re frankly no better than babies.
That’s what I want the women to do, to grow up and own their own choices. You apparently do not. You want them to remain victims regardless of their ability to consent. If this 16-year-old was old enough to make a bad choice, she was old enough to make a good choice. You seem to want to call her a victim if she makes a bad choice, but an adult if she makes a good choice. This represents a fundamental failure on your part to think logically.
The real problem is her father was probably horrible because he didn’t prepare her for making the right choice when it comes to social or romantic pressure against her wishes before she was put into those situations.
Coercion – Use of physical or moral force to compel a person to do something, or to abstain from doing something, thereby depriving that person of the exercise of free will.
Applying verbal pressure to someone to get them to do what you want is coercion just as much as using a gun is. That’s the definition in the dictionary and in Law.
You can try and make yourself feel better about your rapey desires and say “well I didn’t use a gun, so I didn’t force her” – but if she said NO and you persisted and persisted and begged and pushed and whined and she eventually gave in…. you coerced her.
I am not the morally bankrupt one in this comment cess-pit. The author of this awful article (which is going to get idiots like yourself in jail for following his awful advice) admits that what he’s suggesting is not exactly right or legal… look at the last paragraph of it. He straight up says that following this advice might end you up in jail and you should move to THAILAND to rape girls and get away with it. You know this author is fucking kids, right? He moved there because he’s a pedophile and you’re gleefully following his advice and defending him, you disgusting sicko.
Anyone following this guys “advice” deserves every penalty of law that will be their consequences. Seriously, if you’re so desperate to get your dick wet, hire a prostitute, don’t rape someone. And don’t look for small-dick reasons to justify raping a woman either. Get a job at McDonald’s and buy a blowjob, you idiots.
It’s not the definition of the law.
If it was, many salesmen would be guilty of coercion, which is obviously not the case.
You don’t get to decide what the law is.
All you can do is scream into the internet in your impotency and believe that makes you the good guy.
So, just to clarify, in your example the parents who have a child asking them the same thing over-and-over-and-over again are victims of a criminal-like child?
What you are saying is that if someone is pressured repeatedly, their ultimate informed consent is impossible. This is entirely false.
Children are forcing their parents for toys in the same sense as rapists force their victims into sex – awesome line of reasoning here.
I couldn’t have chosen a better example to make you look like an idiot, congratulations.
You can keep insisting that coercion only involves physical force, but a quick Google proves you wrong every time. Salesmen DO get charged with coercion in certain cases for applying immoral pressure & lying to close a deal that the buyer didn’t really want by making them feel they had no choice – again, Google can find you cases of this.
You’re quite right to say I don’t get to decide what the law is, but all you need to do, again, is Google to see that I’m correct. Here in fact is a link to a law dictionary – http://thelawdictionary.org/coercion/ – where you can quite clearly see that force isn’t the only definition of coercion.
Thankfully, anyone reading these comments doesn’t have to take my word for it and can do that for themselves to see what a crock of shit you’re trying to sell.
And a guy defending a pro-rape article accusing someone of impotence? That’s funny.
What advice? Where? Where does the original author give advice to men? At what point of the article is the author telling people how they should behave?
I’m German, so luckily I live under a legal system that is a bit more down-to-earth.
I’m pretty sure no-one gets convicted for duress here for selling somebody something under the kind of pressure that the boyfriend in said story put on his girl.
People can retreat from most contracts within a grace period, but that’s another story.
So I don’t know if this is only in your head or an American thing, but I can say with some certainty that “I felt so small when he started to say these hurtful things” isn’t going to get anyone in trouble as long as the “victim” isn’t a child or special in some other way.
And obviously I didn’t mean sexual impotence. I mean the impotency of not being able to punish the people you don’t like.
We do own our choices. Rapist dicks like you take our choices away.
No, she’s not. 16 is below the age of consent and having sex with a minor is statutory rape, even if they “agree” to it.
Standing up for the rights of another’s group doesn’t mean you hate your own; it means you recognize and value their fundamental humanity, because the justice they deserve is the same as the justice you yourself deserve.
Depends on where it’s happening, 16 is the age of consent in the UK, and its 13 in Spain, for example.
When she mentioned she has said ‘no’ playfully before I do not think she was speaking of her first time and anyone who can read and has common sense would be able to see that.
You’re missing the point. She didn’t decide anything. Her boyfriend decided he wanted to have sex and pressured her into doing it. Just because you do something doesn’t mean you want to. That being said, I would not consider Kyra’s story to be an incidence of rape so much as one of coercion. It’s her job to say no if she doesn’t want something. Once you say yes, even if you don’t mean it, that’s mixed signals, which lead to situations like this, where the girl feels violated and the boy feels confused.
Phinn, I feel sorry for you. Living in a black-and-white, good-and-evil world takes a lot of continuous lying to convince yourself of, and you seem pretty convinced. Your blind hatred of women does nothing for you but limit your options in life. Hopefully one day your ego bounces back from whatever bruise it took from a female and you can grow up.
Sorry you have to hide your lack of basic empathy behind this “Man-Hater” charade.
“Oh, this bitch isn’t into me, she’s a Man-Hater.” -BSOS
“Wow, sorry for your massive confidence issues.”- world
Just because your body is mature enough for sex doesn’t mean you are. Grow up and study some basic physiology.
You know, I had a reply already brewing as I read your comment, but then I got to the whole “frigid girlfriend” part and I realized that logic isn’t going to work on you. You have such a massive lack of confidence in yourself that you demand having a partner that doesn’t have real opinions or make real decisions. Maybe instead of jumping on a hate site when you feel bad about yourself, work on, you know, yourself. You can start by working on that little misogyny problem you have.
You lose.
John, as a woman who considers herself to be a feminist, in my opinion, coercion and rape are two very different things, with very different motives, and should have very different consequences. Coercion still requires some form of consent, whether true consent or “I feel like I can’t say no” consent; the woman still has options. She knows that if she says no, even if he breaks up with her, she won’t get hurt. Coercion requires strength on the part of the woman to stand up for herself and say “no”, mean it, and follow through with it, to recognize that she’s still in control. Rape takes the woman’s options away entirely; there is no facade of consent, fake or not.
No, only the ones who don’t want me to have opinions or make decisions. My boyfriend is an awesome man. My friends are awesome men. Plenty of men are awesome. You know why? They respect other people. I.e., when they’re dissatisfied with something, their first thought isn’t to condemn that thing, it’s to wonder if maybe they could be doing something better, so that the something they’re dissatisfied with becomes satisfactory. And I do the same thing. It’s called self-reflection, and it’s the defining trait of a mature adult, and of mature adult relationships.
Does it help your ego to think we females all automatically hate you instead of realizing that you’re getting something about this social interaction thing wrong?
You are pathetic. What a dumb piece of shit you are.
I find that people who devolve into sweeping generalizations like “Typical” and “All ___ are ___” have ceased to think rationally and are now willfully blind to those truths that don’t suit their way of thinking. I find that this is especially true when they devolve into goading and insults.
And what a transparent insult it was. At least put a little effort into your misogyny.
Ooh, another petty jab at women! You even used a big word this time. I find it utterly laughable that you, whose comments here reflect weakness of both mind and emotion (read: willful ignorance), antipathy to your fellow human beings, and the resulting selfishness thereof, would accuse someone else of solipsism. Now that’s some irony.
Open your mind up to the idea that other people matter too, and maybe, just maybe, we can turn you into a real boy.
Dude, in the article, he’s advertising books on how to act. That’s worse than telling you how to act. That’s saying, “Pay me money so I can tell you how to act.”
Boyfriend? Lol. Standard lines you cunts always boast about. Your boyfriends, how you love men.
Then on the other hand shame us.
You are all a bunch of manhaters. I feel sorry for those clueless beta faggots in your life.
Do not insult us real men by associating us with your bootlicking beta supplicants.
Ooooooo social internet warrior;
Dude, get a life. Seriously.
You sound like you really hate men.
Admit it. Or why would you be here?
Right on, well stated!
What if a 15 year old boy gets talked into taking things too far, call it rape if you will. Will you overlook his mistakes based on that same compassion for 16 year old girls and their mistakes? Its just a young mistake and his friends pressured him, right?
Give me one example of me shaming any behaviors in these comments. Obviously, aside from shameful behaviors, like rape, or coercion, or willful ignorance, or any other form of screwing your fellow people over.
I bet my group of beta faggots not only get laid more and better than you do, because women actually find them and their ideas attractive, I bet they could pretty much beat you at most other aspects of life, too.
See, your first mistake was not placing your wager on the beta faggots. One ALWAYS places one’s wager on the beta faggots.
Actually, my male friend posted a link to this page to try to figure out if you guys are trolls or just really this socially inept. I, never one to turn down the opportunity for a good debate, clicked the link, read the article, judged it a troll, and was about to tell my friend just that when I saw this perfidious array of word vomit you call a comments section and decided it was just too delightful to leave without dropping my two educated cents here for you gents to enjoy. I was browsing facebook just before I showed up here. Sorry if I have a little vitriol, unbridled social retardation just gets to you after the 6000th time you encounter it, you know?
So, to you, telling somewhere where to go to get advice is the same thing as giving advice. Yes, lots of logical responses by the wimmenz here.
Oh really?
Typical female bullshit.
“I relented” but “I’m not responsible for losing my virginity”
Yeah, you ladies sure know how to own your own choices.
Now let’s do this the right way…
Which story sounds familiar to you? Oh, right, the first one…
Self-contradicting yourself within two sentences, that isn’t a record for any feminist, try harder.
phys·i·ol·o·gy
noun
1. the branch of biology that deals with the normal functions of living organisms and their parts.
Tits or GTFO
Tits or GTFO.
Since you are obviously a very egotistical, self-serving and arrogant bitch I feel no real generosity in sharing any male insight with you.
But since Im in a good mood, I will. For you. And for all the women here on this comment section.
Here is a little secret inside information about men – and it applies both to “Alphas” and “betas” and every male in between.
You “group” of men hang around you for one reason and one reason only.
For the chance to stick their penis in your wet pussyhole.
Not for your kindness. Not for your intellect. Not for your “finding their ideas attractive”
For your wet pussyhole.
Dont believe it?
Try this simple test.
Remove the wet pussyhole from the equation.
See how the phone calls,texts and dates stop.
This has been a Public Service Announcement.
Cunt.
I’m glad somebody finally said it. Feminists and liberals are the main ones that encourage teen sex, then it’s “oh he/she wasn’t ready” when it suits them. Please.
Phinn be a nice guy, here I have my boots all dirty ready for a likin’
The beauty of Feminism is that it isn’t bogged down by logic. My No’s and Yes’s will mean whatever I want them to, and I can change my mind to suit my desires later. I don’t like you anymore, its rape.
Riiiiight. Because after observing, interacting with, and having conversations with thousand upon thousands of women in his life, he’s not permitted to notice certain commonalities in their behavior?
He’s not allowed to voice his thoughts on those commonalities?
Here’s a commonality for you — typical feminists like to shut down dissenting voices when they feel hurt by the truth at the core.
And which men here exactly will not let you have opinions or make decision — and how do they do so?
The person trying to shut down dissenting voices here has mostly been you, sweetie.
Oh, so now you are the ultimate arbiter of what a “real man” or “real boy” is…. I see. And who appointed you to that role?
Way to show your real agenda, dear.
Any behavior that you don’t happen to like, however you choose to define it, is acceptable for a public stoning.
You don’t like an idea? Oh, it’s “willful ignorance” and people should be yelled out out the public square, lose their jobs, lose their livelihoods, lose their families…..
And this is another example of a ‘typical’ feminist philosophy.
Phinn asks for real information or hard data instead of personal sob stories, and gets accused of “antipathy to your fellow human beings” ?
Huh?
Yes, keep playing the ‘typical’ feminist victimization card, Gwenleif Irene.
But I thought feminists wanted equality? It’s a hard pill to swallow, eh?
A cat in your photo, a chubby face, and a Disqus history of commenting on depression.
It’s a fake account, right? No woman is actually this much of a walking stereotype for feminism.
Nice try pal. You purposely conflated “pressure” and “lying”.
Committing fraud by lying is grounds to rescind the contract.
But without fraud, a salesman can generally apply all sorts of pressure to close the deal. In the U.S., a sale is generally final, even if extensive pressure was applied, as long as the information was truthful and complete.
Why do you think most contracts are so long and wordy? It’s to make sure that consumer can’t claim they were lied to. But heavy pressure — almost entirely legit.
Nah, it’s your general attitude toward men, and your stated belief that you can define what behavior is acceptable for men, that makes you into a “man hater”, so to speak.
You went so far as to look into my history? Aren’t you supposed to be ignoring my pointless existence, rather than using up your precious potent time being interested in me? And I like how you’ve kept yourself anonymous so no one can see your pale flabby physique.
Kindly point to the specific articles that promote a hatred of women, as opposed to feminism, westernized mindsets, current behavior trends, etc.
We love women — especially traditional women.
And which right, exactly, are you fighting for by commenting on this article?
It seems like you’re trying to take way the right of a woman to change her mind in bed about having sex.
Nice attempted use of shaming techniques there.
Obviously you have no answer to his main point:
He’s not required to stay in a relationship with someone, and is permitted to express that whenever he wishes.
Since you have no reply to this legitimate point, just admit it.
Huh? Where did raping come into this?
The scenario was of a boyfriend expressing his disappointment and the girlfriend agreeing to have sex.
You’re using a guilt by association fallacy against me, but it’s not the reality.
I whole-heartedly condemn the article, not just women but ANYONE has the right to choose and change their mind if they aren’t comfortable having sex with someone; no matter what was ‘expected’ or implied beforehand.
She was 16 not a woman. The part of the brain that governs judgement is not fully developed.Teach your sons not to turn into scary angry assholes when turned down for sex. Teach your sons not to literally scare young girls into sleeping with them. Stop teaching young girls that they were wrong for being afraid of angry men/boys.
Different power dynamics though. The parents are in power. Due to physical size and strength, it’s men who have the power. Girls/women know what guys can do to them. That truly if a man wants to rape us, there’s little we can do to stop him.
That being said, for a lot of of girls/women that are faced with angry men they are expecting rape. He is already showing that he is entitled and there’s a good chance he doesn’t take no for an answer. So they end up saying yes. It still hurts but it’s probably less traumatic than him continuing after further resistence.
An [obviously] much lighter example- I have been asked for my phone number and politely decline. Many times they get angry, yell at me, intimidate me and I give it to them. I’m afraid because I don’t know his person, how sane they are, if they might hurt me. So yes even if I gave them my number I would say I was forced! I don’t see how anyone could argue that?
“No, I won´t rape you” he said with a suspicious smile on his face 😉
You are a loser. Like all the other female dogs here.
Yall need to go find some boyfriends and get laid.
Stop worrying about imaginary shit that never happens in the real world.
Get off the internet for a few nights a week for fucks sake you dry vaginas
Where in her story did he say that?
Or is that just in your fantasies, sweetie?
What a sad story about your first time. 🙁 I hope you got over it. Men should never pressure too hard, it’s a fine line..
See, the correct response to being called a “fucking prude” would’ve been to get up and walk away. But no, you chose to give it up to this guy and now it’s his fault.
Strange thing that… the guy at your school that liked you but never would’ve called you a “fucking prude,” would never have been given the time of day.
Not that it’s not a sad story. But it’s still your fault.
Damien, how many little boys got raped by preists and said yes because they were told they’d go to hell if they didn’t say yes….is that not rape because he was bullied into saying yes???? or is it different because it was a boy? Fear and loneliness are great weapons and some people are weak enough at times to fall victim to verbal abuse. She did, she was not only a victim, of rape but verbal abuse as well. Name calling and harassment. If you are not familiar with the laws maybe you should learn them, since you are unclear on communication with women…
Now this is how you troll, people — equating the rape of 8 year-olds by middle-aged priests with a 16 year-old who decides to fuck her boyfriend in order to keep him from breaking up with her.
Normally I’d just laugh at you, but then I pause and get a chill down my spine when I realize that mouth-breathing, hateful, morally insane people like you can sit on juries.
Yeah srs, scary that nutcases like these females with their overactive imaginations that spend wayyy too much time on the Internet – actually exist in the real world.
Creepy.
She was not raped. This boy did not force her down and force himself on her, unless she left that out. He kept begging, she refused until he called her a horrible name. (or rather, more like an insult peppered with what is considered the most offensive adjective) Yes, she is a victim of verbal abuse but she also put herself in this situation. When it comes to selecting mates, just as men are responsible if they date an obvious shrew of a woman, so too are women who date an obvious asshole. This guy didn’t suddenly turn into a guy who would call his girlfriend a “fucking prude” that night.
The way that she tells her story, she willingly gave it up after he berated her. If men and women are equal, then women should also have to take responsibility for their own actions. If she were older than 16 I would have zero sympathy for her.
Next, first my daughter would be raised right and not in that situation in the first place. but if she were, I’d teach her how to say no, walk away, and then if need be to tase him if he started getting aggressive as I don’t think she should take chances. That’s called not keeping her a victim, unlike you feminazis who get off on playing victim.
Phinn already addressed the rest.
It was rape because the little boys were under 18 and it constituted statutory rape.
If the altar boys were over 18, the priests telling them “they’d go to hell” would not have made a difference. It would not have been rape, even if the consent was achieved by tricky wording.
Slut
Slut is a social concept.
So examples of her lips says no, but her eyes say yes..and yes because you insisted so much…the feminist trolls are going to love you.
yeahno.
No means no, 100% of the time. and If I ever meet you or any of your MRA buddies I will personally kick your fucking asses.
Talk to your guy friends, guys in your classes, male co-workers, acquaintances at parties, men in coffee shops.
Ask them about situations in which they’ve slept with a woman, but the woman first said “no” before climbing on top of the guy 5 minutes later for sex.
Ask them about women who’ve said “no” and then become mad when the guy withdrew to the other said of the bed, and the girl then demanded sex.
Ask them about women who, in the middle of intercourse, mid-stroke, blurt out, “Oh, no, we shouldn’t be doing this.” Then when the guy freezes, the girl yells, “Don’t stop. Keep going, keep going.”
Then go have a talk with every woman you can find, and instruct her to NEVER, EVER use the word “no” unless she absolutely means to end the sexual encounter that second, permanently.
Mmmkay? Thanks!
so you’re friends with a lot of rapists. nice.
Would this be your response if someone forced your daughter, your sister, your niece, your mom, your cousin, your aunt, or your grandmother to screw them after they said NO repeatedly? Are you a man or a sleezy POS that would allow his sister to get raped because no doesn’t really mean no?
Tits or GTFO
PS. I hate my mom and sister.
What do you think about that sis?
How would you feel if a man raped you, if he didn’t take ‘no’ for an answer; would you be complimented that he was so attracted to you he couldn’t resist as this article says women should be?
I think you would be terrified and horrified by such an intimate violation of your own body.
That makes the assumption he is into dudes.
You can’t build an argument on a false equivalence.
If you substitute the “man” in your argument for a pretty lady, the whole thing changes.
I think you just proved Petunia right, asshole.
My mother would be one of those to make me believe that no meant no.
Since such a lie, together with the rest of the narrative this entails, from a woman that you should expect to be on your side, is treachery I’ve since divorced her.
I can live with sisters, nieces, cousins, aunts, grandmothers, teachers and all of the rest of this god forsaken hypocritical society lie through their teeth, but to any mother I’d recommend that you spare a shred of honesty for your children behind closed doors.
No, it makes the assumption that someone he’s not attracted to isn’t taking “no” for an answer.
Your logic here is so flawed I can hardly figure out where to start.
“That makes the assumption that he is into dudes.” This right here was my first clue that you really don’t get it. No, it doesn’t make the assumption that he is into dudes, because in this example, he is not “into” anything; the situation is not sexual for him. It doesn’t matter if the non-consenting party is male, female, or fungus; sexual preferences, gender, all of that is a non-issue in the case of real rape, because rape isn’t sex, rape is violence. Secondly, you’re saying that people only get raped by people they are or could be attracted to, which is so silly I won’t even refute it.
“If you substitute the ‘man’ in your argument for a pretty lady, the whole thing changes.” And that’s my second clue as to how horrifically socially and logically challenged you are. Do you hear yourself? Obviously the situation would change; that’s sex for him now, NOT RAPE. See the difference? In sex, sexual orientation and gender matter. In rape, it doesn’t.
Did you fail 4th grade English?
Each of those examples has the woman demanding sex after saying “no” — which is exactly what happens all too frequently.
You must be one of those feminists who thinks that ‘rape’ is not a defined term, but is whatever you want it to be at that moment.
You probably think that every song, book, movie, and play written by a man that discusses sex is “rapey” and “rape culture.”
Oh, you failed 4th grade English also, toots.
Try using your eyes and brain this time.
Here, I’ll make it simple for you. The examples, distilled down, are:
a) Woman says ‘no’.
b) Man complies and stops.
c) Woman sulks/demands sex.
Thus, a lot of scummy women use the word ‘no’ when their intent is not to stop it completely.
So while men are legally and morally required to stop sex at that moment, and do so, the many women who fling the word ‘no’ around like gorilla poop, even as they demand sex minutes later, are scuzbuckets.
Go educate them to do the right thing.
Typical feminist — unable to admit that women might not be absolutely perfect and without fault in a male-female interaction, even under the stark examples given 🙁
Also, she’s got a positive diagnosis for Rape Tourette’s:
So, you and your friends rape women. Got it.
Derp. Raping women when they say no to sex is a crime, dumb shit.
Typical douchebag. Raping women who say no to sex is wrong, dumb shit.
You sound stupid.
I think youre a 13 year old boy who plays video games.
Feminism:
Unable to counter an argument? Toss one-line random insults.
Learn to read, Einstein.
Each of those examples has the woman demanding sex minutes or seconds after saying ‘no’.
Dude. Anybody that really rapes somebody should go to jail ok?
There is NOBODY on RoK that would EVER advocate that.
Got it??
We are Kings and comport ourselves as such.
He plays video games? What a dork!
Oh wait… what?
Pew Foundation, 2008: “More than half of American adults play video games.”
“More Americans Play Video Games Than Go Out to the Movies” NPD Group, 2009.
“In all, 81 percent of respondents between 18 and 29 said they play games.” Pew.
Try again, dumbshit.
So you call it “rape” when a man:
1) Complies and completely stops when the woman says ‘no’, and then
2) then woman jumps on top of him and reinitiates sex herself
And you wonder why the word ‘rape’ is losing its meaning by the year….
Thanks for clarifying that.
See my reply to Phinn as to why people who say “Typical” instantly lose all relevance in the conversation.
And as your photo illustrates, my dear, it’s a wonderful thing a ‘typical’ modern feminist like you has a voice in the public discourse.
You’ve clearly earned it:
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Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Susan B. Anthony would have been so proud of you that night.
Yeah, that’s a picture of me on my 21st birthday, the entirety of which I remember. It was taken by my boyfriend of 1 year (almost 2.5 now, no cheating, no breakups, no lies, no pregnancies) who was my DD. I seem to be standing upright of my own volition and entirely clothed. Aside from the fact that I have obviously consumed a moderate amount of alcohol, what about this picture or my behavior in this picture would shame Ms. Stanton or Ms. Anthony?
Personal attacks won’t work on me, sir. I live my life honestly and have no issues with any of my media getting out.
You are the furthest thing from Kings. You are peasant scum. Kill yourself.
Maybe post under a real name and not ‘anonymous’ before spouting your nonsense. Real tough guy.
Oh, Now people start citing their sources. Come on people, this is all a subjectified and generalized argument. I don’t advocate for this article in the slightest, but it’s absurd to get upset when the author’s arguments are based in fallacy. ‘A lot’ and ‘Most’ and ‘Almost every…’ are not real facts, or statistics, or data. Personal experience is simply not something to be extrapolated out to include all women.
I will argue that it would more helpful to write about the necessity to teach girls and women to not say ‘no’ when they mean ‘yes’ (regardless of how media and culture expect them to act) and to teach men that regardless of the woman’s body language, or ‘real desire’ as you perceive it, it is not okay to push boundaries.
I for one find your described situation: “if she comes into your room… [it’s] a green light”, seduction by intimidation, and personally, I feel sorry for you if you have to resort to that to have fulfilling sex. Real relationships exist, and it seems (to me) that men that avoid them aren’t afraid of anything – but intimacy. Shame. 🙁
You mean this?
How Women Train Men to Rape
Try using your eyes; it was on the Top 5 posts list in the upper-right for over a week.
Haha.
Yeah, feminist, doesn’t it suck when you actually have to confront an argument instead of just being able to entirely rely on insulting a person??
Uhh, if you think there’s an ‘argument’ around whether it’s cool to rape somebody, you’re pretty much scum. You can’t argue with ridiculous sentiments like the one put forth in this piece of **** ‘article’.
If you were capable of reading, you would see discussion above of cases in which women use the word ‘no’ before initiating or continuing sex moments afterwards.
But that would require basic reading comprehension, ability to engage in civil discourse, and a mind not poisoned against men.
You seem to know an aweful ot about the details of rape…..care to fess up?
I am a man, and I’m more than capable of engaging in civil discourse. But the ideas put forth in this filth are dangerous. So we’re to just assume no doesn’t actually mean no? Good call. That’ll work out real well when no does mean no. Have fun in prison. It doesn’t take a whole lot to have respect for women, and ensuring you know what no means is about the least you can can do.
Let’s get one thing straight. Nobody ever claimed women were ‘absolutely perfect’. But men aren’t either, are they? (If you claim they are, I think you might need to get your facts checked there, bub.) We’re human. It’s kind of common knowledge that humans make mistakes more often than I’m sure anybody would like to admit. That’s not a thing we can change, so obviously, women are not perfect, but neither are men.
In this article, they are giving strict examples, I do get that. But the comments below the article seem to have taken a harsh turn, and I just want to say something. Under his examples, the woman is contradictory and changes her mind. The title doesn’t portray what the article is truly attempting to get across. Strictly speaking, no means no and yes means yes, no matter what the situation is. It doesn’t matter if it’s ‘opposite day’ or something like that. When it comes to sex, people should listen to whoever it is, male or female, that is saying “No”. The issue is, there’s a growing amount of people nowadays that seem to think that a rule like that just doesn’t apply to them. That’s why there’s a growing number of feminists, to counteract the rape culture that’s on the rise. But here’s the thing, there are extremists to every group of people, who take things too far. Just because you hate the way they represent feminists, don’t hate the group and what they stand for. Not all feminists take on that “Women are Superior” vibe. A large majority of them just want to be considered equal to the men in the world. They want what they say to mean something, for what they do and the role they play to actually stand for something in this world. Don’t group them together, when they’re diverse and unique in their views and their opinions. Just because they’re women, and so many people see them as less than equal to men, it does not mean that they’re all the same.
Yawnnn. NAWALT again.
Herd-minds. As usual.
Lol. Its that what they call a “slag”?
Wow. You have come a long way baby.
Its ok child.
Have an ice-cream cone. It will be ok.
Lol
Ashley Williams = Idiot
You are a man? Lol. Sure you are pal. You are a pussified faggot. You White Knight and lick the boots of females for a distant chance to get a whiff of wet pussyhole.
You complete “honey-do” lists on time.
You joke about “happy wife, happy life”
With all due respect..
You sir, are not a man. You are a female with balls and a penis.
And you’re a pretend tough guy on the internet who I assume gets no’s all the time because he can’t get yesses. Well, sir, just because you’ll go unfulfilled if you don’t push back against the no’s, it doesn’t mean you’re not a bad person. Go watch some porn, tough guy.
Did I strike a nerve? – Wellll, Man up bro!
I never have, nor will need to “push back against the no’s”
Ive never found myself, nor believe ever will find myself in such a situation. I have passed up women that guys like you would die for.
White Knights are not welcome here.
Dismissed.
“I have passed up women that guys like you would die for”
Haha, you’re a joke. How can you expect to be taken seriously when you make statements like ‘guys like you’ when you don’t know the first thing about me. Well, except for the fact that I don’t condone rape. Call me an idiot. Trust me, I don’t want to be on this site, but it’s interesting to note that you’re not interested in alternate viewpoints. Anyway, have fun at your frat boy party.
Kind of like when women come to ROK and call us “typical” “douchebag rapists” for describing the phenomenon where women want sex, but pretend they don’t.
If he:
* were gay
* went on a date planned, initiated, paid for, and chauffeured by a man
* liked the man enough to go on the date
* had sexual tension during the date with the man
* maybe decided to ‘loosen up’ with alcohol to be more adventurous during the date
* agreed to go back to that man’s place
* jumped into bed with that man
* made out with that man and engaged in light physical intimacy
Then, yes, he should expect that man to make moves, REPEATEDLY AND PERSISTENTLY, for sex.
He would also know that he has 2 legs and can leave the room any darn time he likes, if he’s uncomfortable with that mans’ persistence.
He’s not a 10 year old and should not be treated as such.
Incorrect. The article is about sexualized dating situations.
In this article, the author propositions women who are in bed with him for sex several times and they eventually agree.
You seem to be calling that “rape” and saying there’s no sexual element to it.
That’s nonsense. If there were a violent crime occurring between two individuals who barely know each other, and especially if no sexual element was involved, experts would usually advise:
* call 9-1-1, if possible
* run away as quickly as possible
* alert the neighbors by yelling “fire”
* use nails, and anything sharp or heavy nearby to harm the attacker
* attack the assailant’s vital organs, including pressure points, groin, kidneys, etc.
Again, this hypothetical you’ve created, has easy answers:
* run away
* call police
* yell for help
* attack the eyes to stun
* hit pressure points
* repeatedly yell about non-consent and likely criminal punishment
* etc
Would the article have been better-titled as Sometimes a Woman Who Says No Will Change Her Mind to Yes, and She Should Have That Right ?
Probably yes. But then this conversation wouldn’t have taken place, because the knee-jerk feminists who brought you here don’t actually bother digesting the contents. They just enjoy the feeling of outrage.
Absurd. Source, please?
‘Radical’ feminist ideas seem to be regularly incorporated into mainstream feminism within a decade or two.
Huh? Do you live in American society? This would take pages. Just do an Internet search on that and read through the results.
I’m allowed to criticize a group by its self-proclaimed banner-bearers — especially when the ‘mainstream’ subset of that group is not vocal in its criticism of the ‘extremists’.
‘Typical’ modern feminist ignorance on display here.
The earliest fighters for women’s rights would have spit upon your public drunkenness and Facebook/Instagram vanity.
This is the face of modern feminism.
And as I stated down there:
Yes, trying to get away or get help is what someone should do; but if they’re cornered by someone stronger, or someone who’s armed; they might not be able to escape regardless; and it wouldn’t make the act any less horrible to judge what a victim should/could have done to try and get away.
Not rape, per say; but abuse is something I understand.
I understand it because most of my childhood I was a victim of psychological abuse which I had no way to escape because no one would listen to me; everyone thought I was exaggerating and I had no way to make them understand what was truly going on.
I’ve known and listened to the survivors of many other types of abuse, physical, sexual…I know that abuse is at it’s very core an inhuman act; where someone inflicts cruelty on another to get what they want or just to feel good about themselves.
It is about power, and it is about control; and that is why I say rape isn’t about sex, or love; it’s about hurting someone else to make yourself feel good.
Yes, I know what abuse is. But I am not afraid of it and I am not afraid to use my knowledge and experience to call it for what it is and condemn it openly.
hey genius, would you rather rape a woman who’s not really in the mood, or get her to beg you for sex? If your believe what you just wrote, then either wait for c), or better ask her to piss off, it’s as easy as that. Next time maybe she’ll even learn to say “please”.
ya see. situational. but its the fact that he sad “rape” (thats his attention grabber) if some on rapes u and claims ur no meant yes…. thats not okay… but ya ur right people do stuff like that all the time.
Who’s talking about rape, moron?
The author in this article propositions women who are in bed with him for sex multiple times.
…maybe thats why you have so many issues with women. Go to counselling.
A woman demanding sex seconds after saying no is very different from “she said no but she only lightly nudged me when I continued to take her clothes off instead of punching me in the face and stroming off” which is what usually happens the vast majority of the time. This is rape. No way around it.
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Cool animated gif bro. You seem like a real winner. Ladies run to you, oops I mean, run from you.
Only a bitter, sahara-vagina’ed feminist wouldn’t find the 3 Stooges funny.
OMG you’re sooooo right, wow woman gets pie in face HAAAAHAHAHAH i can hardly pause before i hit replay, hahahahahahahahhahahaha wow such funny, many laugh, what has happened to this kind of witty, clever humour in modern television????//?//////?/////???? i shed tear every tym pie is not on woman’s face in media, who would not want this, entertainment at it’s finest!!!!!!!!! only bitter people like television of substance with actual humour!!!!!!!! STUPid feminists MRA 4 LYF, more pie in face, less intelligence!!!!!11!!!1!!!
stfu. you’re basically the reason no one can take feminism seriously. because you’re not willing to see anything from the other point of view at all.
yeah, but what if they actually DO run to him… you dont know that (?)
What a mature response. Let me guess. College educated?
We need a “Throw a pie in a Feminists face Week” !
Degree in Gender Studies & Womyn’s History.
Now working at Starbucks.
Nobody here wants to have sex with you, or any or your she-boon feminist pals that are shitting up our website.
Go kick your cat.
This is the most disgusting site I’ve ever read and it goes so far over
the limit that I question my self whether you are joking or not. If
you’re joking I advice you to stop because people are taking this very
seriously and if you’re not joking I’m just speechless that someone can
be so insecure that he needs to talk down to women like that. My only
reason could be that you’re a virgin that gets no attention from girls and this is your
way of getting back at them?
i totally agree. This is absolutely disgusting-if its serious, and even if its not. The fact that men find rape funny and something to joke about is just unbelievable!
You sound stupid. Your mom did a bad job raising you, shit wit.
It’s cute how you assume that individual is here looking to be desired. It’s cute because it’s incredibly revealing as to YOUR personality, and how much confidence you lack in yourself.
Contribute something more than pubescent insults or shut up and let the grownups have a serious discussion.
Love, a Feminist Shitting Up Your Website
You women need to look inside to yourselves. Look at how you treat (perhaps I should say mistreat) men. Not just the men in your life, but men as a whole.
Your delicate little ears may not want to hear the words, but the truth still exists. Men are starting to get the message.
Females like you that waste your time empowering each other on internet blogs cannot understand the concept of the USA losing its hegemony status in the world. But their will come a time, maybe not in our lifetimes, when women will want and to get along with and will ask acceptance from men again.
Better to start working towards that goal now, then after its too late.
Obvious trolls are obvious. Please stop feeding the trolls.
Does this thought comfort you when people are repulsed by your unthinking hatred of something so silly as gender?
Not only is this articles author a troll but he’s sounded fellow trolls to accompany the marching ‘women aren’t respected’ band wagon of his.
Hegemonic* status, Sir. Please proofread. And then go learn something about decency.
Resort to pointing out a typo.
Not to mention the fact you have no idea about what I was referring to.
Original and classy stuff feminist. Would you like to tell you how decent females treat men in todays world?
Thought not.
Dismissed.
cunt.
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Wow, even when I agree with you I get made fun of. Interesting.
Huh?
Instead, it’s apparently his experience that loud and annoying women in a men’s sphere are also seeking attention.
Kindly point out the specific sentences that indicate that the article is ‘talking down’ to women and that the author is a virgin.
Can’t? Then just admit you’re an obnoxious yeller who likes feigning indignation all the time.
So, according to your comment, the author has some sort of mantra of “women aren’t respected”.
Can you at least attempt to make sense in your comments?
Umm, where exactly did the commenter express his hatred for [a] gender? He did discuss his thoughts on:
* feminism-inspired treatment of men in western societies, in general
* feminist women’s Internet discussion pseudo-outrages trend
* the fish-need-a-bicycle mentality.
As a man, he apparently loves women. The concerns he expressed were about a mindset and philosophy he finds detrimental to society.
Where exactly did you find that in the article?
Thanks.
Definitely not in our lifetime. It is not like it was before. Men now know what it is like to be an option rather than a necessity. We can earn our own money, hire you to do all the shit we want to do, keep our hot bodies and therefore options for much longer if we so choose. If we feel more fulfilled by a traditional set up, we can go for that too. Just like men. Men hate the thought of being treated the way they have treated women for so long it seems.
I love you too, cupcake.
Thank you.
Lol. Internet tough guy.
I highly doubt you will be kicking anyones ass you fucking bootlicking mangina faggot.
You`re so butch!!!! I bet your boyfriend gets all wet when he hears you get all tough like.
Threatening people over the internet what a douche.
Where exactly does this article say otherwise?
This article mentions that the author proposes sex multiple times while in bed with a woman. Frequently that woman chooses to change her answer to yes.
Is he not permitted to ask? Is she not permitted to change her answer?
How many women have you raped? I’m guessing a lot.
Somebody grab the crash cart and the smelling salts, we’ve got a case of Rape Tourette’s!
I know lots of opinions have been said, but sometimes a woman feels special around people who give them attention. Well, in general, this is true for men and women. I think most people enjoy having others tell them they are good looking or that they have a sweet personality, etc.. Yet when you say they can go now, they know they are going home, often to be alone or to a dysfunctional relationship, making them feel less then special. Why not take you on then? and so they do, to feel a little special. Some do not regret it, but to my understanding, most do later on. On the other hand, there are some really dumb game player women, but it’s best you don’t end up in a relationship with them anyways.
Sometimes it’s a pretty direct no. I wrote about having a woman ask me to push through her no here:
You may genuinely believe that this is an acceptable position to hold, but in reality it isn’t. You may also genuinely believe that you are not a sexist, misogynistic person who mistreats women, but based on your statements I can let you know that you are.
The problem is, men’s views on women and sex are perceived as cool when based in ignorance and misogyny, and men are perceived as weak when their views on women and sex are based in compassion, empathy and understanding. In actuality, the latter should be viewed as the stronger position to take, as it requires more courage.
This article (and your reply to it) is just another example of men with no courage, all patting each other on the back, convincing one another that their various sexual misdemeanours and predatory behaviour is justified by some crazed logic. Cowards, pointing the finger at the powerless, clinging to lies to ease their own consciences.
Nothing written here justifies a man to force ignore when a woman tells him no.
it depends how u look at it. the reason this is so controversial is the fact that he used the word “rape”. if a man tries to have sex with a person who doesnt want it its rape. thats horrible and he used it as an attention grabber. but yes ppl say no all the time and dont mean it. its a tactic. if i say no now i might say yes later. it doesnt mean “rape me please” its situational. i my self belve love cant exist at first sight only lust exists at first sight. because of that u cnt usually love a woman who says yes to something like sex right away. after the lusting is satisfied so quickly theres no reason to love which comes from time. so saying no at first is a tactic. but when ppl say that woman actully wanted rape is horrible. yes we are weaker. yes men r stronger. theres nothing we can do about that. so when a man takes advatage of his strength like that is devastating. lol quite an intersting topic actually.
There is such a distinction between the kind of LMR that women project that is designed to encourage boldness and filter out the weak and legitimately not wanting to be forced into something they do not want to do.
However in a feminist’s eyes these are exactly the same thing.
This whole discussion , these arguments, the whole fuckin issue..this is why I don’t so much want to be a “king” this is why MGTOW.
Congratulations on your choice. I support it fully. However, it is no the choice of most here. Since most here still want sex with women the advice should be how to best protect themselves in the hostile to toxic environment towards men that we find ourselves in everyday.
That just happened to me last week. She looked to me straight into the eye and with serious voice said: “We are not going to have sex.” I said “Fine” but she is still inside my car and so I keep it up. Moments later we are making out and in 20 mins. more we are having sex in a Motel room. “Ahh, You always know how to convince me!” were her last words before I slammed it to her good.
Dude that’s killed me off hahaha
Waaaahhhheeeeeyyyyyy! Score!
So because a woman has nowhere else to go, you continue to push past her resistence? I really don’t see how one can argue that continuing after resistence is not rape when that is literally what it means? It’s even more clear with those power dynamics you mentioned? What was she going to do? Worst case scenario she doesn’t have a ride and she really doesn’t want you? Then what is she gonna do? Punch you in the nose and fucking walk home? The illusion of choice is not a stand in for consent. Way to go you can only get women to fuck you by forcing them. Pathetic.
In fact, my actual point is that she does has where to go. The car is parked in downtown; she can leave whenever she wants. Same thing happens at my apartment. But it is ‘Her choice’ to remain where she is right with me because she likes the illusion that she is being taken. When I ask her to leave me alone she remains where she is; when I ask her to not call me again she is dialing my number; when I treat her like crap she comes back for more. A feminist will not get it because it does not fit his cult-like agenda. Instead, the likes of you will go to sleep after reading ‘fifty shades of grey’ hoping to get an erotic dream where you are nailed hard from behind by a powerful man.
So should a woman be persistent with a man if he doesn’t want to have sex with her? Just persist and persist until he says yes?
Well. If he barfs all over you — just be nice and understanding and take it as a sign that he is “just not that into you”.
I thought you said you were immune to sales techniques. Surely that means either you have some kind of magical gift that no other human has, or perhaps it’s just that if someone truly doesn’t want something they won’t ever say yes to it. An obese woman can ask me a million times and I’ll not have sex with her, she can stand outside my house singing love songs all day if she wants.
Well that all depends, is she attractive and/or do I have something better to do?
What if you don’t want to have sex with her? Should she still persist? Can I deny an obese man his intentions of having sex with me because I’m not attracted to him?
If she is attractive and I have nothing better to do, logically unless some other sort of consequence can befall me, I will want to have sex with her.
Go try it and you’ll find out.
The girls posting here all seem to think they are actually attractive enough that somebody would wanna fuck them in the first place.
Girls, dont worry. With your looks, plus the fact – that you have to post snark here on RoK…
You have nothing to worry about.
Yep, pretty much… I’m always astonished by the fact that the social justice warrior-types posting snark on websites like this one aren’t sufficiently self-aware to understand that articles like these AREN’T about them.
Again, you’d be surprised.
Exception that proves the rule… ?
Then again, you would be surprised as well, so I guess that makes two of us.
Post a picture of yourself.
Nah, we know this isn’t about us. We realize this is advice for other men. It just bothers us how this advice is fairly sketchy and we’re pretty ready to point out the flaws. We only care because it affects other people, so of course we care! I might care less if it was just for me because I know it wouldn’t do much for more than just me.
There’s nothing in this post on ROK that endorses any form of behavior. In fact, most of what he does is describe sociological phenomena, mostly. You and other women, regardless of merit, seem to think that this post constitutes “advice” and “instruction” on how men should behave. That’s pure projection on your part. You and other women are projecting all sorts of rapey-instructional-nonsense onto this post because the uncomfortable dichotomy in women is that while they want sex, they never want to seem like they want it.
Your discomfort over a known truth about women does not constitute just cause to accuse men of speaking lies.
Hey, at least I don’t accuse you guys of intentionally lying. To be honest I think it’s kind of naive, I think we all have our naive bits. Two can play that game, it doesn’t really get anyone anywhere. Comments are for posting opinion, do what you like, man. We’re just giving you guys an opportunity to see a new perspective. Maybe it’s not more legitimate, I don’t think it should be considered so much more legitimate, that’s the point. Just think about everything. It’s kind of like he’s encouraging guys to act a certain way.
I mean, is that a problem for you or something? Are you attempting to overthrow my kingdom that doesn’t exist or something? Is it to prove your worth?
I don’t think men speak lies, I would never say something to account for the entire male demographic, that would be considered hypocrisy and quite frankly, I won’t tolerate that sort of behaviour from myself.
Reel it in, sonny bun, you’re making mountains out of mole-hills. This is just a measly internet conversation.
Well let’s return to your original comment, no reason to create new topics, is there? I’m still waiting to hear about all these flaws in reasoning. I’m waiting to hear about how Vincent’s post will create new rapists. So far, I see no-one, anywhere on this URL, endorsing rape. All Vincent is saying is that very often women desperately want what they absolutely will not allow themselves to appear to want.
Oh, and in addition. If I wanted to be a dick and just go around all day claiming all men are dirty liars who are stupid and sluts and should grow out their hair and think people are always talking shit about them, I totally could and wouldn’t have to justify it really. It may be stupid and ridiculous, but people say stupid and ridiculous shit all the time. People would only look at me funny. (Unless it was on the internet, then the whole world would get offended and claim feminists should be burned at the stake, because that’s the way of the world. Totes magoats.)
Now now. Only propagating rape culture among bitter, impressionable and horny folk.
There are a lot of those on ROK…
WHOOPS!
ROOOOOASTED!
OH SNAP GURL!
Also, there’s a reason why I made a new comment, I want you to do your best to respond to that one, sweet cheeks.
Dance angri boi, dance.
I did not mean that the advice was not about you. I meant that it’s unlikely that you’re the type of girl that guys who read this website will even try any of the advice on.
You may be right that “no always means no” as far as you are concerned. You’re the only one here who truly knows that. But you and your ilk are so incapable of walking in someone else’s shoes that you’re unable to understand that there are a TON of girls out there for who “no sometimes means yes”, exactly as described in this article and the other one before it.
In short, fuck off back to the kitchen or something. Your input is not required here.
“We only care because it affects other WOMEN, so of course we care!”
Actually no. That’s an attempt at cleverness, but falls sadly short. You made assertions, you need to defend them. I don’t need to address any new ideas by you until you’ve defended your assertions. Please demonstrate where Vincent or anyone else here endorses forceful rape. Also please explain how anyone should take seriously a woman’s protestations against speaking truth in such a context.
See, but I’d like to see you make a perfectly moist chocolate cake. I wouldn’t eat a chocolate cake you made, gross. You better stay the fuck out of the kitchen. That’s women only, men aren’t allowed in the kitchen. Ew. Can you even imagine that?
Because you guys are just exhausting and I won’t have to deal with you ever. I don’t neeeeeeed to do anything. I’m free. Free like the pussy-ass female that I am. Teehee, pussy-ass.
Bb-bear, I care about my men too. Men are cool thangs just like women. I love those guys. We chill for hours making our mixes and staging random dance parties. It’s cool ass shit. I don’t like it when women degrade men or men degrade men. It’s gross, men don’t deserve that, only some people.
It’s really nice being a “strong and independent” woman, isn’t it? I love how you refuted what I was saying, particularly the noticeable lack of thumbs-in-your-ears as you said “neener-neener-neener”.
Neener-neener-neener. I like you, you feisty little guy. You can be a strong and independent woman too, you just have to BELEEEEEEIVE in yourself.
The difference between men and women:
Women thinks they’ve just told a man, and congratulate themselves for their intelligence, not realising that arrogance is usually an signifier of the Dunning-Kruger effect in action.
Men just think they’ve shown evidence that they’re retarded, and look for a prettier chick who might actually be more intelligent.
It’s your lower mean IQ. You can’t tell the difference.
So two men will be talking on a topic, being well-versed and offering unique insight to each other. A woman will come up, and basically say “I made a poopy”, and expect her comment carries equal weight, because she makes the mistake of equating middling female intelligence, (I’d guess 110 IQ for modern female academia), for +3 standard deviation insight.
“Roasted,” and ‘Oh snap gurl!” are “I made a poopy” for girls and gays when they fight their superficial bitchy battles for social dominance in their tedious crab basket. No intelligent man feels burnt by you, just pure embarrassment over your supercilious arrogance.
Run along and drink your Cosmopolitans with your amaaaaazing friends.
She’s admitting she can’t win. Don’t waste your time. With a name like ‘Rainbow Hellfire’ and bullshit like ‘Oh snap gurl’ she’s either a tranny or an ugly lesbian, so treat her as you would one in real life: the pitiful and invisible.
I’m sorry to propagate your ideas of stupid ladies, but I think maybe you should relax a little. Oh, oops, I just forgot to think about my potty training sesh last week and just made a poopy in my pants. Teehee, I made a poopy.
U are a totes qt, bb u silly goose u.
I like when men degrade women and when women degrade men. I just don’t like when people go to prison for years over feminist sensitivities.
Guest bb-boi thinks that winning an argument with people online is a good way to spend his time.
i pray 4 bb-bois family bc tat shits hard
Oops, maybe bb-boi made a hard poopy.
Also my IQ can obviously beat yours in a thumb war. Who is the man? Me. Wait no… I messed that up *fumbles and drops cue cards*
CURSES! My evil plans of blowing your IQ to smithereens has been foiled by none other than bb-boi guest!
Oh well Johnny-bb, I guess you are the clear winner and I’ll hand over my special rainbowhellfire edition slinky!
NOT!
You’ll never get this from me, loser.
Maybe a polite suggestion?
Spend a little less time on the internet.
Spend a little less time worrying about other people.
Spend a little more on exercise, nutrition and personal style.
Spend a little more time engaging and developing friendships with males that – who knows – might develop into a situation where you and your sorry social-warrior ass is gettin’ laid.
They are a bunch of dunces with nothing better to do but stalk websites and throw snark.
Get what?
Special rainbow hellfire edition slinky.
I’m not an English native, so I looked up “slinky”. Only one of the 5 meanings made a little sense, so in case I got that right… thanks?
I think I’m the only one who knows when I am being serious or not. It’s chill, boi, stay in school.
To the raping men! ehh this one looks diseased, through her over the side.
Late to the party, Jangle Bob.
I don’t mind sloppy seconds.
Pft, more like gorgeous fifths.
hmmm maybe thats why you look so diseased..
Whatever floats your boat, Boob Jingly. I personally prefer the term grunge.
Lol. I think RainbowHellfire likes the “Kings”.
Bb I’m a selfish bitch, I got it covered.
I would tolerate them if they took several chill pills.
It’s really weird how angry people get because they think I’m a defect. Like, maybe I am a defect but I don’t see what’s so bad about that.
As well, I better not. I’m in a committed relationship with my saxophone and various kinds of cake.
Can’t argue with a good ol’ snark-throw, my dear boy.
Maybe you should fuck off back to the garage, huh? Obviously you aren’t intelligent enough to be anywhere else, let alone the Internet. It’s funny how you accuse her of not being capable of “being in someone else’s shoes” when you’re just as quick to shoot down opinions that aren’t yours. Believe it or not, no most often means NO. It is not your place to assume she means yes. You fucking drop it, and if she changes her mind later on then she obviously doesn’t know how much of a dick you really are, but whatever. It is never ok for ANYONE to assume they have the privilege to someone else’s body just because of some dumbass statistics that aren’t even true. Learn to control yourself. Even dogs can be taught not to eat a treat until the owner says yes.
“An ugly lesbian.” What’s your beef with the lesbians? Are you jealous because they have more restraint than you? Or are you angry because not everyone wants to worship your sorry excuse for a dick?
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Teehee. You phrased that in a good way and if I tried to make that point, I think I would’ve crashed it fairly quickly.
Good job! Brazier-sama!!! ^-^
Wow, because that was a completely intelligent response and totally relevant to the conversation. Are you trying to prove some kind of point? Is there some ulterior motive that I’m missing here? Are you lost, little one? I’m confused.
Yes, because of your sex and because of my choice of language on the Internet clearly my IQ is the inferior. Common sense far outweighs intelligence in this day and age, boy.
Thanks, girl. I’m behind you all the way. I got yo back gurl.
Yes man.
Let’s take over the world and conspire against men and hide it because we don’t want to be found out because we’re apparently such bitches. And THEN, we can go to sephora and totally splurge on some glittery shit because that shit is just the bomb. And THEN, we can cut off all our hair and dye it rainbow colours just because we want everyone who isn’t straight to either convert or burn in swag-hell. I’m already partially there with the green and yellow anyway.
*I was being facetious except for that bit about glittery things.
You had me at swag-hell.
Also, lesbians have no need for men. We must all evolve into lesbian mermaids (I’m already halfway there) and lure the men to their sea ridden deaths, ultimately becoming the single sentient race.
You’re right! Oh my god!
When should we commence this plan… I’m free on Wednesdays, Fridays and Saturdays (but only in the morning because I spend my afternoons having no apparent life).
I’m always free to being a lesbian mermaid in swag-hell.
I’m tempted to use a Frozen quote here but I won’t. Just kidding I totally am.
Stronger than One,
Stronger than Ten,
Stronger than a Hundred Men!
We will conquer the world successful together!
MWAHAHAHA!
That last sentence there does sound like a rapist. Surely you would see that once you amitted to yourself that it is far from true. Women are no less capable of saying what they want than men. There may be a situation were a woman can change her mind (although trying to get a girl drunk so she doesn’t have her judgment is far from honorabl, and to do so to you get your own desired result after said “no” took place is pretty despicable and manipulative).
The sentence was…
You said:
Your argument is entirely non-sequitur and doesn’t apply to my comment in the slightest. Nowhere in my comment did I disparage the capability of women to express their desires. I spoke to their desire to retain plausible deniability of their own sexual desires at any cost. Because women want to retain the appearance of virtue, they self-pressure against open communication of their actual sexual desire. Sure, they could just blurt out how horny they are, but they almost never will.
Well, you see – for a few days every month women have a period. And since lesbian cant have real intercourse they have sex by “eating” (lick) each others pussies. So the meme is showing a lesbian that had oral sex with her lesbian gf during her period.
Hope that clears it up for you.
Let me know if I can be of any further assistance.
Um, okay. You have no idea what any of us look like. I think you’d be quite surprised.
You mean are you even uglier than we imagine?
Because if your were hot – you wouldnt be hanging around here.
Just sayin’
If you were good looking men who could get laid, you wouldn’t need a website to rant about how awful women are.
That defies logic.
Why can’t hot women debate on a website? What should hot women be doing?
Why dont you ask one and find out?
Ok you are all wonderful, perfect little princesses.
Now will you go away?
We know women commenting here aren’t hot because hot women have more enjoyable things to do than arguing on a male-targeted website with men who don’t want them there.
Why does it matter? You’re turning the argument again. You’ve resorted to fucking insults because you can’t reiterate with a proper excuse as to why this article is ok. Oooh, watch out, the “dominant race” strikes again. Obviously your intelligence far surpasses that of the supposedly ugly females.
I don’t need any “proper excuse”, and I didn’t “resort to insults”, someone (you?) asked why wouldn’t hot women debate here, I answered.
Every woman who is fighting with these gents should realize they are fighting with men who dedicate their time trying to revert back to more traditional gender ways. What are you doing trying to argue your point with these gents? They don’t care and even less want to hear about it, well other than to get a rise from the little girls thinking they could stand up to these guys. These gents care about giving the power back to men. Though, I am still failing to see what power has been taken from men? Ladies please do yourself a favor and go away. All you are doing is provoking and encouraging cyber bullying.
I don’t know man. It isn’t my intention to snark. It’s my intention to maybe resolve at least someone’s conflict. For example, some people are really angry at feminists and stuff, I just want them to know that most feminists want them to have a say in everything that is relevant to them. Maybe it’s stupid because I know I don’t really convince anyone, but golly gee you guys are pretty angry at us even though we didn’t do anything to harm you guys. Weird things.
This article *isn’t* relevant to feminists. We’re talking about sex with attractive, heterosexual women. We recognise feminists are the angry, bitter, issue-filled dregs of female society, and choose to sexually-select attractive, undamaged women, because we have options. You’re invisible to us, so we don’t have to entertain your desire for attention.
I may not get kisses from men very often, but my lesbian friend caresses my face softly on the reg. I wouldn’t appreciate having sex with you guys because I am only ever in the kitchen and men aren’t allowed in the kitchen, obviously.
Really, we arent that bad.
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How do you know that the women commenting on here are not attractive heterosexual women? That is literally as stupid as someone saying you are all pimply-faced basement dwellers.
Attractive hetero sexual women have plenty of male attention and get enough sex to not bother going on the internet.
Aaaand now you think everyone’s lives revolve around sex. Fucking brilliant. Everyone, the males of our generation.
Because the western world is a cesspool of superficiality. Women want the hottest guy, ugly women that cannot get sex an above average man get piss off and complain about it on the internet. hot women who get sex do not complain.
No chick on here who is negative who complains is hot, They are all angry they cannot get sex and come here to bitch and moan and argue against alpha males for the attention and because the drama makes them feel good.
Hot women have no reason to be here, generally agree with everything on here, they get male attention and sex with any guy they please including high value men, they are sexually satisfied and happy….these are the women ugly women and feminists envy.
The lack of political correctness on here makes it so that ugly women on here experience even more drama.
Ouch. If that’s all you get out of feminism then you really need feminism. You men are all alike, you only care about yourselves and your dicks. It’s funny how y’all think that attractive girls are “normal”. I’m pretty sure if any of them got to know you rather than just have sex with your sorry ass, then they would turn right back around and walk out on you. Basically, what you’re telling me is, if I a girl doesn’t want to have sex with you than she doesn’t exist? Fucking whore. I don’t want attention, I want answers. I wouldn’t want to endure attention from any of you.
My problem with this is that it all somehow comes down to women wanting to have sex with you. Girls do not want to have sex with a man who could become a potential rapist, and typically they don’t want a slutty guy who “gets around”. I also have a problem because you automatically think because you’re a male you’re right. That’s the opposite of true. Because you are not a woman, you have no idea how a woman acts. Or even what she likes, based on your opinion of this article. But you don’t care, obviously, because guys only ever think about themselves. Typical.
Guess what? A WOMAN DOES NOT NEED A GUY TO BE HAPPY. Nobody even needs frequent sex to be happy. Nobody. We can just as easily take care of the problem ourselves until we find that one person who actually makes us happy in every way. Sex is not the sure fire way to be happy. It never was. Also, I’m a lesbian, so I don’t think I would ever want the attention of a guy, but especially not one who has read this article and not found any flaws whatsoever.
Firstly…you are a lesbian…why are you here and how is this relevant to you….you do not have sex with men? Why do you care ?
Have you considered that I am a man that just does not want a relationship ? Most guys in the manosphere are like that.
As a man who has had sex with many women…I definitely know..I get around a lot…ofcourse I never go for lesbians…as a man you can tell which woman is a lesbian.
I go for straight women..I avoid bisexual women .
I can tell you right now that women are very horny people…there have been women that did crazy thing to try to hook up with me, even approach me to offer to suck my cock..and I never even met these women. The number of toilet BJs are countless.
So yeah I think sex for most women I have encountered is happiness just like sex is happiness for men.
You are a lesbian…but just because you are a woman, does not mean you have my experience with banging loads of straight women.
These ugly feminist freaks really have a hard-on for this article. Better to not reply them and just let them post to themselves here and let the page views grow,
true true..I should not have reveals my personal life like that…bitch probably became a lesbian cause no guy wanted to fuck her and does not enjoy sex with girls so she justifies it to herself by saying that she does not need sex to be happy.
You do realise that saying ‘any girl who comments on here must be ugly!’ is as stupid as ‘any guy that posts on here must have a small penis!’, right?
Except our male commentators don’t post pics of their dongs, big or or small, whilst the female ones usually offer their faces as evidence that they’re ‘too pretty for us’, due to their over-inflated narcissism. I can’t say I’ve seen more than a couple of outlier 7’s. Usually it’s the 5-6 range.
5-6 range if you exclude all the fatties I guess but a lot of them are carrying too much fat in the face.
I’ve never seen one single female commenter post their face unless they were prompted to by someone saying ‘bet ur ugly lol’
Eh, 5-6 in your range is more like 11 in the scale of life. So off-centered, boi. OH SNAP I DID IT AGAIN.
OOOOOOH! Be offended because I totally got you that time!
You don’t get to see my face or anything. My partially shaved, chin-length, green hair would give you a definite heart attack. Also I put on too much/too little makeup today so I look like a slut/girl who doesn’t put out enough.
They do show their face when they post outraged tweets about RoK.
Your humor, I like that shit.
It shouldn’t matter what they look like, should it? Ugly people are statistically smarter than attractive people. Nobody needs to give you fucking ammo to shoot down they’re opinion just because they’re ugly. That’s just retarded. Besides, stranger danger and all that. I wouldn’t want any of you fucking creeps to know what I looked like.
Thank you, I appreciate your lack of general rage at a massive representation of the human population.
Eh, they don’t really care about equality. Either that or they can’t figure out what equality means.
Um. Kay.
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Let me re-word it to make a lil’ more sense for ya sis.
Its more like I am saying “any normal female that is attractive would be would undoubtedly be spending quality time with their boyfriend rather than spouting bloviated invective at a bunch of nameless, faceless Interwebz dudes”
You think that all attractive women have boyfriends? Further more, you think that attractive women with boyfriends spend every waking second with them? You think that no women ever go in the internet? Christ. No WONDER you know nothing about women. You clearly don’t spend any time with them.
I know this is gonna be kind of hard for you to understand.
But your comment right there – just totally reinforced what dude just said. Methinks you just oughtta quit while you are ahead.
Boyfriend or not, attractive girls have some social life, they have more enjoyable things to do than commenting on a webside for men.
That’s not really accurate, I recall when I was 17 and banging my girlfriend all of the time I would waste time on the internet in equal measure.
Should that be the case, arguably you too have better things to do, with your girlfriend or otherwise. But obviously you don’t, so what’s your excuse? What makes you better? There we go again with men thinking the world revolves around their dick. Females do not need a male in their lives to be a person. Females do not need to be attractive to be a person. Females do not have to appeal to the male audience when they have an opinion. If you don’t have a good argument then don’t spout whatever stupid garbage comes out of your mouth. Just because you’re a man doesn’t mean you’re right.
So what’s your excuse?
You are seriously so misinformed if you think hot girls are the only ones who get raped.
Now, this is coming from someone who cares about social issues, spends a lot of time on the computer, but still is an attractive girl who has also coincidentally been raped. That’s right, wow girls are not one dimensional idiots put on this earth to suck your dick or fuck you over. We are human beings who can be in to posting snarky comments at douchebags on the internet AND be a bombshell. fucking weird how they’re all different, right?
You are a vile disgusting human being
Also you’re a fucking idiot, and using information you obviously couldn’t possibly know any less about as an argument (eg “ur probs ugly”) is so stupid I can’t even begin to understand why you thought it was a good idea.
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Good. I would never want to touch any of you assholes with a twenty foot pole, let alone have you touch me.
HA no. We know this isn’t about us, you fucking idiot. And who the fuck are you to call a woman attractive enough to be raped? If you were in any way educated, you would know that rape can happen to literally ANYONE, not just “beautiful girls.” This is about douchebags who think no means yes and that every woman wants the same thing, who don’t respect their victim’s decisions, even if they are at their house. What? A girl can’t change her mind at any time in the wooing process? What a travesty! Now do us all a favor and fuck yourself.
Kindly point out where exactly in the article you found that.
I find it amusing that you think these ladies are physically unattractive without ever seeing them. I also find it amusing that you somehow seem to think YOU are hot stuff when this could very well be the exact opposite.
Did you write this with your wanking hand?
No, but he’ll use it to give you a good backhanded slap if you keep up your mouthiness.
i’m still wiping tears….thanks for that one,dew!
Hopefully with the right hanky 😉
stop!…please STOP!……i’m in tatters!i’ll be >smirking< for the rest of the week…..cheers for that one,dew!best wishes.
Honestly I just don’t understand some of the White Knights at all. I mean this from a sincere practical perspective but why do you constantly defend women at any costs? Are they not supposedly our equals as they keep proclaiming? So why do they need any help defending themselves at all?
Believe me I get it, I was raised by a single mother and was brought up with all that nonsense of respecting women blablabla, and that’s what I did for the longest time. But after a certain amount of time don’t you ever stop and ask yourself ‘Well hey, here I am respecting them all the time but why aren’t they respecting me?’
At what point of constantly having your advances rejected do you say enough is enough? At what point do you stop allowing them to shit all over you? Do you really get either sex or a mutually respectful and loving relationship out of this when you defend women at all costs against all forms of logic?
I hail your amount of tolerance, but come on guys, at some point you’ve got to really think about your situation and take off the rose tinted glasses. How long can you keep being a doormat without getting anything in return?
There’s a sucker born every minute, unfortunately…
These guys are completely broken, and arguably share a larger part of the blame than the feminists themselves for the dire state of gender relations currently plaguing the west.
Did you literally just say that because some women haven’t wanted to fuck you, you had to rethink this whole “nonsense of respecting OTHER LIVING BREATHING HUMAN BEINGS WITH THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS blablabla?”
The reason that I defend women is because there are still women who get raped and abused, assaulted, insulted. I defend women because they are refused jobs due to their sex, and refused equal pay to their male co-workers. The goal of feminism in its purist form isn’t to step on men, it’s to let them know that we have a voice, a conscience, and a right to being treated as equals and as human beings. I respect guys who understand this. What I don’t respect is guys telling me that I am wrong because I am a female and a feminist. There is no meat to this type of argument. No, I’m not to say that there aren’t women out there who are trying to target men and make them the perpetrators, but are there not also men who are in fact guilty of treating a woman as if she is inferior?
Bzzz. Those myths have been refuted. Google “pay gap myth”, read the U.S. Department of Labor report on equal pay for equal work, and read through the think-tank studies on hiring of men and women.
The OMLY times a bitch should be able to claim rape is:
1) a stranger put a knife to her throat
2) a stranger drugged her and the drug must NOT be self-administered alcohol
3) she has scratch marks and PHYSICAL EVIDENCE of a struggle and this MUST not be rough sex/ rough play
Any time a bitch claims to be raped, or the media claims a woman was raped/ sexually assaulted, ask yourself, if the roles were reversed and this happened to a man, would I consider him a rape victim?
The media often avoids the use of terms like “sex assault” when reporting on boys, but goes overboard on REPEATEDLY using those terms when they report on a woman’s mere accusations, no actual evidence besides her words are provided.
This week I saw 20/20 on ABC where they showed pictures of a 28 year old cunt passionately kissing and making out with her 14 year old student. Of course, the feminist media only chooses to portray the sexy young teachers we’d all wanna fuck and ignores the vast majority of underage cases where a 40 year old nasty hag manipulates and exploits her boy student into sexual behavior.
The 14 year old boy has no idea what he’s getting himself into, yet the media and legal system treat the FEMALE predator with sympathy, referring to the crime as a “sexual affair”
As usual, women are above the law and above the media’s condemnation. The media is the biggest enemy, they are the biggest hypocrites who influence the public with these double standards.
Yes… And the kind of LEGIT rape you describe is extremely rare, particularly in the west, where I would venture that 90%+ of rape accusations are entirely fabricated.
Actually, most cases of rape go unreported because the women are too ashamed to tell anyone or are afraid that no one will believe her.
WRONG again cowardly bitch. Cases of NON-rape are OVER-REPORTED for a women’s fraudulent reasons of destroying a man’s life, seeking revenge, getting attention and sympathy for non-crimes. Of course, you’re the same type of bitch who thinks nothing of women being sexually aggressive and inappropriate with underage boys and receiving lenient sympathetic treatment for HER sex crimes against boys/men.
Meanwhile, grown ass bitches get to have their cake and eat it too thanks to LYING cowards like you.
The same is true for unicorn sightings.
Women (sluts) OVER-REPORT cases anytime they feeeeel violated (a man slapping them on the ass for example) and other trivial nonsense that shouldn’t even be a police matter. You pampered cow.
I’ve never even had sex! I am a virgin, and no I am not ashamed of it so don’t even try to shame me. And I would never agree with a woman taking advantage of an underage boy. That is sick. Don’t assume things
Goofy bitch, I don’t care whether you would or wouldn’t agree with leniency for women. I don’t care about your personal opinions. I’m talking about the media and society at large that allows grown ass bitches to behave like sexual predators and forces the boy victims to bear the consequences. Boy children are held to a higher standard of behavior than grown ass 40 year old bitches. How about YOU not assume things little virgin girl. Your brain must be a virgin too, it has zero thoughts.
If your talking about “society at large” why do you refer to it as “you’re the same type of bitch”. Sounds pretty singular to me.
yeah, that’s my bad. I’ll try to be clearer next time
Especially the pink ones that shit rainbow skittles…
The only time you should ever call a woman a bitch like she’s an animal that you own is:
1.) Fucking never. Who the hell do you think you are?
If anyone’s above the law it’s all of you. If you think that no means yes and that’s your justification for forcing yourself onto a woman, then you are acting above the law. Shove that up your hypocritical ass.
Yes, he should be treated like a 7 year old who can’t use bad language on an Internet site read by adults….
Stop being such a schoolmarm.
You’re a disgusting, uninformed, ignorant, misogynistic dick hole if you TRULY believe that the only “legit” rape is if a woman has a knife up to her throat or has been drugged…I suppose my rape wasn’t real enough because I was punched in the face by someone a foot taller than me..but, according to you, he didn’t have a knife, so a “bitch” like me must have been making it up. And how can you even say this when you apparently hate the fact that young boys who are sexually aren’t treated as real victims? You realize you’re promoting the SAME mindset you’re against by saying this about female rape victims, correct?
Fuck everything about your kind; the only comfort I get from people like you is that you’re going to die alone and miserable.
And FYI, yes, I would absolutely treat such instances the same if the roles were reversed. How dare you assume otherwise about peoples thought process. Stop taking your anger about ’20/20 & ABC’ out on women and rape victims…it might come as a shock to you, but women are people too (not “bitches”). The “media” isn’t the biggest enemy, it’s people who cultivate a mindset like yours — whining and hating on women does nothing but further propegate these issues you’re seemingly so concerned about.
I mean, to be honest, when a woman says to me that we are not going to have sex I really want to believe her. Seriously, I actually do not expect her to give in but it happens so often that as a rule I always keep on trying. Sometimes I do not even remember if she said “go on” or “stop”; it is all about what she communicates with her body. Well, if she says something like “I have herpes” then I stop…or perhaps I should ask for medical proof first?
This happened to me last night! She said no when I went down her pants. No when I removed her panties. No as I went in her. This morning she was sending me texts of praise, already wanting to make plans for the weekend. Truly funny creatures.
Ummm, this article doesn’t mention legitimate, forcible rape that you apparently fantasize about.
This article is about proposing sex multiple times while in bed with a woman.
Also, in the scenario you paint, the woman has 2 legs to leave the room unless she’s an amputee or quadriplegic.
Since women are completely for what they say and are rarely ever responsible enough to mean what they say and say what they mean, then NO often means YES and vice versa. The real TRAGEDY of NO means YES is that this society places the ENTIRE legal burden of sexual moves on the man’s shoulders.
Look at these feminist cunts like Ash in the comments. These overgrown children (women) don’t even have the integrity to acknowledge how flirting and escalation in the real world works. Not only do men have to make the moves and take the initiative, but simply discussing naturally-occurring behavior is labeled as rape-y by these disingenuous cunts who would rather see their fathers/brothers/sons sent to prison for not being able to read a bitch’s rather than to confront other women over sending mixed signals that they can never be publicly scrutinized for.
I always find cunts like Ash who scream “scary misogynists” the loudest are in fact projecting the chip on their shoulder that they harbor towards men. Good women are capable of demonstrating some fucking common sense, understanding and fairness toward the opposite sex – men. But try telling that to a defective cunt like Ash or her feminist sistahood
I’m sorry, but all I heard from that was, the only good women are the ones who worship our dicks.
And they all do.
Let me tell you – no they fucking do not.
Women will never admit it – yet every man has seen it over and over. Heck, I’ve agreed with every woman when she says, “No” since arguing in pointless. Yet invariably they end up in my bed. Women just don’t want to be “thought of” as sluts – even if they are. And the “No” is there way of trying to prove that. So take, “No” for what it is – a declaration of interest. If she wasn’t interested, she would have ignored you, if she didn’t – she want you. You’re just negotiating on what it’ll take to bed her.
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You ARE equal…equal to a pile of shit!
the only thing missing is my cock in her mouth…
by pulling her chair, paying for her you are ALREADY TREATING HER LIKE A QUEEN..that’s more than equal.
Equal means no paying…
No one, male or female, needs this guy telling them his conclusions from results which come from the core of something he clearly does not understand. Some females say no to have the male persist TO FEEL THAT THEY ARE GETTING ATTENTION AND/OR WORTHY. Its true, females need attention and a lot of it from males. Most males only give attention in the form of sex or no attention at all. So when some females feel that they are quickly losing the males’ attention, some then resort to sex. See, its not the sex the females want its the attention and some females need it from males in any way possible, mostly because of insecurities. There is absolutely nothing wrong with females wanting attention from males, its just in the way they get it. This is why some females call each other sluts because sluts get attention from males quickly and there is jealousy and envy. All the power to those females that just want sex and the physical, but even most of those expect something more afterwards and its hard for them to just detach as in the way males do.
This “no means yes”, I feel, needs to be explained. Even if females say “no”, the underlying “yes”, from the female, is usually for persistence, which they wrongly equate with attention, love and affection from the male. Some females think, unfortunately, that the game is safe and asking for persistence from the male is not dangerous, but they can end up with the opposite, violation, aggression and rape. So, stop with the games, the desperation for males and their attention. Females need to stop equating attention from males with worthiness. But why, when everyone wants what they want.
Males 1-100 1(no attention) – 100(sex)
Females 1-100 1(no attention) – 100(attention, love, affection) <—
That is the female equivalent of sex for the males. All of this is not for all females, of course.
“Males 1-100 1(no attention) – 100(sex)
Females 1-100 1(no attention) – 100(Commitment of money,status,dick and resources)”
Fixed it for you.
I said “Females” not “Gold digger”. And “All of this is not for all females, of course”.
No dum dum, that is female love and there is nothing wrong with that. It’s an innate biological imperative. A woman will never love a man in the way he thinks she loves him. Her love is conditional upon mainly his combination of looks,status,money.
You like to redirect that woman’s intentions are pure while man’s intention are evil. Nope both self serving those good ole selfish genes.
See my views are based on bio mechanics and your views are based on fairy tale feminist ideology. That’s why yours are pretty much worthless.
“your views are based on fairy tale feminist ideology”
he doesn’t sound like a feminist to me
Then why does she go back to standard NAWALT and men want sex where women want pure wholesome ‘love’.
Where did the statement “A woman will never love a man in the way he thinks she loves him.” come from? Experience with gold-diggers? Well, most gold-diggers’ love is conditional on the combination of looks, status and money. Its not my fault if the ones you are attracted to treat you this way. And please don’t assume that I mean women’s intentions are pure. Women are usually selfish with the attention they want and its a dangerous game with which they try to get it.
fair enough, but how many feminists would draw attention to the fact women want attention?
You can’t see that she is saying that the women don’t really want the sex and she is only doing this for attention?
It’s standard bullshit feminist speak. Dude she wants to fuck, she just wants to make a guy work for it.
LMR playbook is simple. You try and then if she doesn’t consent you back off and cool down and then you try again. You certainly don’t fuck until consent is given.
“Well, most gold-diggers’ love is conditional on the combination of looks, status and money.”
All women’s love is based on this based on her ability to attract a man that is the highest she can get in these traits. Just as man’s love is based on how attractive and supporting she is.
Don’t fool yourself thinking you’re an angelic being. You’re not. We are all slaves to our bio mechanical overlords. To believe otherwise if foolhardy.
That’s why Eastern European women are superior to you because they acknowledge that their love is conditional and they play the game well. They don’t sit around eating Cheetos and lopping off their hair. They look and act nice to attract high status men. It’s more honest. She looks sexy and doesn’t act like a bitch as long as you succeed in the world. Old as time itself. Tit for tat.
Well, I’m an Eastern European straight female. I have a problem with most other females. I don’t play games and I don’t need your money, simple as that. Fuck conditions.I ask guys out on dates if I’m interested in them. I respect my needs and tell it to your face, better high quality sex than some shallow sex. There is nothing here about acting “angelic”. Its about acting real. How do you get to thinking this way when you analyze? There is something you’re doing wrong.. .
Cant you find a date tonight?
You fat, ugly, lez or what?
It blows my mind that all these self-proclaimed attractive, desirable females that already have men they love seem to feel the need to come and preach their vile sermons on us.
Just out of the “kindness of your heart” ladies?
WTF am I missing here???
Damn, when was the last time you got laid? 🙂
I’m so sorry that feminism is spreading to your part of world. All it does is subvert natural sex roles and creates egotistical fat manish women with the inevitable women changing all of society to create their femparadise by fucking over roughly 80 percent of the male population.
Look:
Men control resources. They attractive at a biological level due to mainly their social status which the monkey brain equates to having access to resources. Good looking men indicate high T levels which means that they are more dominant which leads to social status which leads to resources.
Women try to make themselves the most attractive pussy that they can be to able to secure the guy’s resources and his sperm if he has shown to be high status so her sons will have the same ability.
There is nothing wrong with this. This is nature. Learn to play by it’s rules or be leveled.
You’re in Eastern Europe you can still be saved from going down the dark hole of feminism.
“There is something you’re doing wrong.. ”
It’s not that. It’s just that the only worthy women here are the arty ones that don’t follow the herd because they are too far out there to care about what the herd thinks. But they come with their own set of mental issues.
The normal American woman is a pseudo-man. They don’t have even the basic concepts of being feminine. Also the American male has been ruined because they either are brutish thug types or effeminate manginas. We have effectively wiped out the learned masculine gentlemen.
Feminism is evil. It is communism with tits. Did your country really like communism under the Soviets or was it an oppressive hellhole? Just like the commies, feminism promises the moon, the stars and sky and when you fall for it’s trap it fucks you right up the goat ass. It’s too good to be true. Women can have it all. It really is a sweet lie.
Who said I’m in Eastern Europe?… .The most powerful will always be the beautiful women of the world because they possess the commodity that the most powerful men want. This is it. Deal with it.
ok you’re right, she definitely is a feminist – or as you say a communist with tits. But she speaks half truths at least
No! If she pulls the no means yes guessing game you drop her permanently. You do not go back later and try again. She has shown herself to be a defective person and a threat to your future well being. Do not let her into your life. Never stick your dick in crazy.
Since when was standing up for the integrity of women considered a vile sermon? Did you ever think that, oh I don’t know, if a woman says no, she really just doesn’t want to have sex with a disgusting self entitled prick who acts like she’s only good for sex?
Nah, I’m not a feminist, and you guys constantly trying label me as one means that the thoughts and opinions I have are judged on the fact that I have tits and a vagina. Irrelevant bullshit. It is because you are scared because the pussy is what you want and women have control and power over what you want. That would be like me labeling all of you guys, immediately, a rapist if you look at a woman and think sex because you have a dick.
so you are equating calling someone a feminist with calling someone a rapist? I understand the logic there but surely the female equivalent of a rapist is… a rapist….that’s equality after all.
As for women having control and power over pussy (such a crude term) making men scared ……..I’m not sure why we would be scared. Insofar as we have a biological imperative with regard to that I would say we are pretty used to that state of affairs
The point was, taking labeling to the extreme. If a girl is promiscuous, she gets attention but is label as a slut and a girl who has discretion with who she opens her legs to gets immediately called a prude and a feminist, mostly because the guy’s pride is hurt. Words like feminist shouldn’t even exist. Nowadays it is used as an insult. A man who has no discretion and only wants sex with any female he can find is usually labeled by females a rapist. Wrongly, probably, as well. But its taking a females who wants more than just sex and calling them just flat out feminist and taking males that only always want sex and calling them rapists.
Females’ having the power of discretion is what men are scared of. It can make some males feel weak and that’s one of the worst things that a man can feel. This leads to aggression to counter the weakness they feel. Aggression usually leads to false labeling, and, possibly other things.
I understand your point, although I don’t really agree with the symmetry you’re suggesting. Many feminists will simply call any man who suggests issues of consent are other than black and white a rapist, as that is a very effective silencing technique. Calling a woman a feminist can certainly be used as a term of abuse – depending on context (and the symmetry holds true to that extent) however on sites like this at least the term is meant quite sincerely, not as a shaming tactic (you hate men if you don’t agree with me etc). I’m sure amongst gangs of teenage boys etc girls who won’t open their legs on demand will be labelled feminists etc, but teen boys aside most men actually respect women who show a bit of self-respect. Having to push against resistance is part of the oldest dance ever invented, a dance that nearly all heterosexual men and women participate and which feminists are trying to label as rape wherever it does not slow down to a standstill – as required by the ever more difficult standards that have to be met to meet their demands to obey women absolutely whenever they indicate a preference. Of course consent must be respected, but the mating dance would be over before it had ever begun if this was taken absolutely literally ever time a woman flicked her hair in the wrong direction.
I’m not sure I understand that. Don’t women typically have ‘the power of discretion’? If the article said men can simply barrel through all resistance then that discretion would be taken away, and moreover any man who followed that advice would be risking his freedom.
You have a good point. Sex is the Dance of Life. But, what is the Dance without the Music? Women need the Music (love). Cliche as fuck, I know. This “push against resistance” is a natural effect. That’s understandable.
The difficult part in this is just like the highest rated comment in this section. The guy says that once he shows no interest in the girl and rejects her she then initiates the sex and he gets what he wants. That’s the dangerous game. The guy plays with the girls’ emotions, because, she wants attention and affection and once she realizes its sex or nothing, she can be pressured into sex. Then afterwards when the guy completely detaches from her and she realizes that he wants nothing to do with her and no relationship, she gets angry and that’s were the guys’ criminal record is vulnerable. If a female feels like she had sex and was used without the guy wanting anything more, she can claim rape simply because she can. That is why it can be a Lose-Lose situation. Males need to choose, keep going and abuse females’ emotions just to get laid and risk your criminal record to the crazy ones or realize that they need to clearly signal that sex is all they want and nothing else. Or, if the guy is sure that sex is all he wants, why not stick to prostitutes? Its a valid question.
The trade off? If males abuse the wrong females’ emotion, the female can abuse the males’ criminal record, simply because they can.
The commenter is describing both a technique that works for him but also what he sees as a way of manipulating women who would otherwise be manipulating him. You are worrying about women being manipulated because men only want sex and are saying because that isn’t a fair trade those men should consider it a fair cop if they get charged with rape simply because the girl feels raped when she is manipulated (she wanted love / he exploited her for sex). Well firstly that’s a bit of a cliché that doesn’t really describe the modern dating world. Women are certainly as hard arsed as men, even if they have greater commitment to ‘relationships’ and additionally not every woman is looking for a relationship. Some women like to fuck don’t they, why should we assume otherwise?
This is all about men being manipulated by women or women being manipulated by men. The difference is that men don’t call the former rape, and when women manipulate men they don’t end up in prison, even if there may be consequences for their reputation etc. But worrying about getting manipulated is to worry about something deeper than that. It’s the absolutely existential insecurity that all of us increasingly lives in.
Men like the writer of the article, and the guy who wrote the most popular post can’t afford to take a gamble on love even if they want to. Thanks to feminism, the laws that feminists have ensured we all live by, the divorce laws that crush men while providing for women, the family courts that do the same, all of that means that love, the thing that women claim to want (even though research has sometimes shown men to be the more romantic sex) is not an option. Feminism has ensured that men have virtually no security in relationships, particularly marriage, and risk everything they have, their finances, their families, their reputations whenever they commit in the ways women say they want.
So manipulation, structural feminist or individual, ensures insecure men. Insecure men ensure a converse manipulation, which leads to insecure women, and the kinds of issues that ROKs seeks to address. The only thing we can rely upon is our biological drive to fuck, even if that increasingly has nothing to do with procreation.
There is no love. Only sex…..and manipulation. Yet we get blamed for that?
No, its not about blame on males. Its about deciphering positive and negative signals in a place where its easy to make mistakes, its easy to hurt, emotionally, and you may be playing with your criminal record. The manipulation exists only because of insecurities on both sides, absolutely. This is why sex or “hooking up” should be taken much more seriously because there is a lot of risk on the male side and a lot of emotion on the female side, not all of course, I agree with you on that. If there is “only sex” then why not have those males seek prostitutes where the SIGNALS are clear. Only money for me, only sex for you and prevent, as much as possible, a false claim of rape. Its quite irresponsible that males try to get “only sex” from non-prostitute females without expecting the risk of encountering the wrath of a female that feels used and may falsely claim rape. The way the laws are, even an accusation can be extremely damaging, so, why are those males risking it with non-prostitute females.
So with only regards to sex, not money, marriage, divorce and feminists, if women manipulate men to try to get them to have a bit of self-control over their urges and show some emotional attention, men feel that their emotions are being raped? And when women rape men’s emotions there is no jail time for them? This is why men can’t risk love? And why some male interact with females similar to the way they would interact with prostitutes?
Get the fuck off our website you fucking blabbering cunt.
carry on your conversation with gayboy on JezeSmell
There needs to be a distinction between what is ungentlemanly caddish behaviour (e.g. seeking no strings attached sex) and what is illegal behaviour. Currently there is a tendency amongst to activists to blur the lines between ‘bad sex’ and rape, so that the scenario you describe where a woman who has consented to sex, but perhaps hoped that it might lead to a relationship or who perhaps regretted that sex, can determine that what happened was rape or abuse because of how things turned out after that sex took place. Rape cannot be about whatever women decide after the event.
The article however is about what women decide before and up to the point of consensual sex. That is to say it explores what consent is and how it can take place in a situation where part of the dance (with or without music to use your image) nearly always, not sometimes, but nearly in every instance of seduction, persuasion, courtship, dating, game – whatever you choose to call it – involves resistance by the woman in the form of slowing things down, refusing before agreeing, playing harder rather than easier to get etc. If no really meant no, then every woman who said yes would be a slut, because there would be no dance, no resistance. Just a simple ‘do you want to have sex’, ‘ok then’. The people objecting to this article seem to be saying that negotiating consent in this way, disentangling verbal cues from those of a woman’s body language, as well as the conflict this may reflect, is actually simply a case of forcing sex through wearing down the woman’s resistance, or even physically ‘pushing’ to the point where she succumbs. But that is not what is being argued. Recognising that consent may not be straightforward is not to say that consent is not or should not be the minimum condition under which sex takes place.
Feminists insist on the no means no as an absolute standard because it effectively criminalises the chase before it has even begun.
yeah, there are complex dynamics here, which this article doesn’t really touch upon. For some women sex is validation, for many others, the validation can be achieved short of actual sex. Women want to feel desired. They may also wish to feel safe while also being desired. When they are desired and safe, they feel powerful, but lose attraction for the man doing the desiring, precisely because they feel too safe. There will be deeper psychological conflicts at work too, but these are likely to be very situation specific. In fairness the author points out that its a difficult game to get right, but he doesn’t really say why. There are lots of feminists on this board, concerned that this article contributes to rape culture, yet its strange how none of them will actually try to explain the actual dynamics behind such interactions, because apparently all men need to remember is that no means no. Are we too simple to understand what women actually want when they vacillate between positive and negative signals. So long as they do nothing to explain the real dynamics of the game then then feminists share abt blame for any resultant rape culture that arises through attempts to cut through the fog.
Feminists don’t understand it themselves because they never receive alpha male attention and don’t have experience with true primal attraction.
they may not fully understand it, but when they go training they no at the very least that they’re not telling the whole truth. As for primal attraction for the alpha male, this article wasn’t just for guys with medallions and gorilla chest hair – its guidance for the common man, which means women may let the alpha’s persistance pass while reacting quite differently to the beta’s
This “no means yes” for females and having a sexy chick on a guys arm is all about power. When a female can make other females jealous and envious with having a guys persistence then she has power over other females because she is more desired. If a male can get a female that is sexy and that other males want, they get jealous and envious and he has power over other males. When the need to use each other for power stops, rape will stop, after all, rape is about power.
This will never happen. So, don’t bother accuse me of being a “fool” or “angelic”. Its the truth, no matter who likes it or not.
“rape is about power.”
Feminist propaganda. Stop projecting your own biases on the desires of men.
Rape is about sex. It has nothing to do with “power”.
Hehe…
Rape is about sex.
Women conceive rape to be about power, because an act of rape disempowers them.
For a man, the perpetrator of rape, it is about sex.
Feminism hates men so much, they disgard them, thus come to BS conclusions like “rape is power”.
Everything in life is about the power. Everything.
Sex is about power. Everything is about power. The idea that rape is about power and sex is not is wrong or at least disingenuous. Marxist influenced feminism analyses sex in terms of oppression and sees oppression as how power operates. In fact even a lot of feminists are keen to get rid of such a simplistic schema. Power is everywhere. Power flows likes water through all relationships, all institutions, and the abuse of power is not power itself. Yes, rape involves power, and the abuse of power, but sex doesn’t happen without power, particularly for men, as women are turned on by power, and disgusted by its absence. This is the problem that men of any kind of conscience, who despise rape, have to grapple with, because for rad fems male power equates to rape or potentiality to rape (rad fems believes heterosexuality is rape culture so we dealing with any number of equivalences here)
I do believe you’re right about attention though. Women disguise their interest in sex. But they also want to be desired, and wanting to be desired may or may not require consummation of that desire But that is a problem with how women ‘do’ desire if anything. If women want to be desired (to feel attractive) then they are implicated in ramping up that desire. To wish to be desire, but to not necessarily wish for that desire to be sated or fulfilled, is a kind of power that is at least as unethical and unconscionable as the kind that men may hold over women.
If no does mean no, via yes, then that involves the tease. If this is female power then it is as corrupt as any other kind. But it is false power, it is narcissism. Women do want sex, including because it is proof of desire, but not only for that reason of course. They want sex with men who have the power to make them feel sexy, and desirable, and outside of that transaction sexy. Unfortunately everything in feminism aims to make men less powerful. Which is why you get articles like this, which even if they perpetuate bad old truths are designed to counter the feminist deception
Yes. And, yes. But what I was trying to say with my main comment was that “No’” is not enough. A simple “No” is a signal from a female for the male to try harder and show their persistence and aggression because, yes, that turns women on and signals sex. This is a dangerous game because some males cannot control their aggression and commit rape and some females after having consensual sex later, falsely, claim rape. It can be a lose-lose. What I want to see happen is a quick but genuine explanation from the female to the male if she is not interested. THE FEMALES ARE MOST OF THE PROBLEM BECAUSE OF THE GAMES THEY RESORT TO BECAUSE SOCIETY AND OTHER FACTORS HAVE MADE THEM SO INSECURE THAT THEY NEED TO, BASICALLY, ABUSE AN URGE THAT IS HUMAN NATURE TO MAKE THEMSELVES FEEL SECURE. AND, THIS IS COMING FROM A FEMALE.
it would certainly help to have that kind of a “quick but genuine explanation” but that’s kind of difficult though. If we extend the benefit of doubt to both parties (i.e. assume that neither party is deliberately deceiving) then it is still the case that there will be women who would never mean anything other than no as well as women who might genuinely mean it at that point but might either be slightly ambivalent about this (potential for pushing through?) or mean no at that time, but potentially change their minds during and / or on account of perseverance. The latter case is probably going to be quite rare as only a male with a strong game and status would be likely to achieve such a result, meaning that the persistence of other such men, will simply be annoying and unwanted. As you say it is a dangerous game where it might be prudent to err on the side of caution. But there is an obvious problem with risk averse behaviour in that it doesn’t typically get men very far?
maybe there is scope for the clarification of ground rules so the micro-politics of sex can be more reliably negotiated but while ordinary people might want that, it is this territory which the gender warriors are fighting over. So what’s the likelihood anyone is going to be able to agree what a “quick and genuine explanation” would be?
An entire article on why rape is ok. Fuck you.
quote the bit that says rape is ok
The article actually says not to rape?
Do you read beyond headlines?
rape my raised middle finger, dumb feminazi bitch
didn’t even read the fucking article, I bet
Boooooooorrrriiiiiiiiiiiinnngg
You need more mods here. I glanced down at the discussion only to see roughly 200 comments of trash caused by fat and/or plain girls. I’m awfully disappointed, as the comments often yield something interesting.
We actually hold the rational male discussions on the comment boards of the intelligent articles. You know, the ones that involve using your brain.
Women dont read or comment there because that would involve thinking.
These articles are just the troll bait to drive page views and traffic to the site.
And boy do the herd-mind females flock to them.
Ah yes, it slipped my mind. Duly noted.
Wow, I love how you assume women want to have sex with you when you’re a complete jackass. Now I see why men like you don’t know how to get into real relationships; it’s because you guys would have to learn to fucking respect your fellow humans. It also involves a critical amount of restraint and rationalizing, which you clearly lack, according to this article on how to pretend that no isn’t a real word.
yeah, but it’s fun to troll these bitches right back in their faces
which we could do on the feminist Blogs, except they ban/delete all comments that disagree with them, instantly
reflect on that, feminists, your (stupid as they may be) comments are allowed to stand here – something you never allow on your Blogs. Typical double standard empowered grrrrl bullshit is all you can spout, because that’s all you got. I almost feel sorry for you. I said almost.
Off-topic, to be sure, but… Marlboro Man, Eric Lawson, 1942- 2014, RIP:
http://galeri3.uludagsozluk.com/189/marlboro-man_193473.jpg
One less alpha role model….RIP
This is the best article I’ve read in a while..rather than saying there is danger, “run away” The author says there is danger..here is how you deal with it. Kudos!
When a woman gives me a “no” I stop – not out of some beta-male rooted sense of decency, but because i don’t have the fucking time to play shit test games when there is a cell phone full of women who wont say no at 2 am.
Sure, “but you could have fucked” is what some of you are thinking. Sorry ladies, you’re gonna learn that we are done playing that stupid “no really means yes” game, especially in the age where a rape accusation can ruin a mans life.
If you’re gonna be stingy with the pussy, we will find someone who isnt. YOU. ARE. NOT. SPECIAL.
I agree with this 100%. The answer is not to respond to her LMR shit test by powering through to the goal line, but to drop her like a hot rock and never look back. This kind of behavior is not acceptable and is a clear and present danger to men. Do not reward women who engage in this with sex. Reward the behavior with total indifference.
Are you fucking serious. Ok. You’re talking to a woman who you don’t even know and you’re talking as if she’s an animal. This isn’t fucking ok. Maybe relationships aren’t all about you and your sexual appeal, dammit.
Just a second there, sister.
First you’re all asshurt because you feel men should stop if they hear “no”. THEN you’re asshurt if a man stops and leaves, on account of being fed up with her shit.
What exactly WOULD make you happy, sugartits?
I don’t care that he’s leaving her. If you can’t handle not having sex like the weak pussies you are, I could care less. I care about the fact that he used the word “reward” as if a woman is a dog that needs to be learned. Honey, if anyone’s the dog it’s you. Then again, even dogs can be taught not to eat treats in front of them until they are told yes. Also, “clear and present danger”? Are you in third grade? Are you afraid of cooties? Or are you afraid that women might actually be seen as the equals to men that they are? Perhaps you’re afraid that women will discover and exercise their ability to say no to your bullshit. You’ve also basically said that women are objects, in saying that “you are not special.” Because I’m sure you’re a diamond in the rough.
I think you’re reading a different post. Where does mikediver ever say he’s even talking to them – much less as a dog?
He’s right. I don’t reward manipulative behavior. There are tons of women, in my experience, that don’t engage in this stupid shit. Reward those with love and kindness and leave the nutjobs to their cat collections.
Rewards are for dogs and small children who know no better. There are women out there who will manipulate you, sure. But honestly I think even they are better off without someone who acts as if they’re superior. There are also times when women just don’t want to have sex, for whatever reason. That shouldn’t give you charge to dump them because you’re spoiled and didn’t get what you wanted, but whatever. Weak pussies, the lot of you. Women don’t need you to tell them that they’re doing something right, and they don’t need to have sex with you to succeed in life. I’m telling you, this is the third time I’ve had to explain that the life of a female does not revolve around your dicks.
On this we agree, apparently. Although I suspect you’d be fine with the female acting superior.
Kinda like what you’re doing in this whole thread.
You’re acting as if the man can do what he pleases with the woman’s body. He can’t. Nobody ever has rights to another person’s body except whoever owns said body. No means no, you cannot touch another person without their consent. It isn’t hard. When it comes to sex, equality is crucial. Nobody can be superior or aggressive without dual consent, lest you become the assaulter/rapist.
I would only allow a female to be superior in bed if I consented to being bedded in the first place. The world in general still screams for equality in all means of living.
Hence my opposition to manipulation. Which you just don’t seem to get. I’m betting this article hits a bit close to home, no?
“The world in general still screams for equality in all means of living.”
Does it really? Or is it not rather your sub-conscious who wishes for equality because it would improve your own standing?
I have never forced a woman to have sex with me. They come willingly, and then they come back.
Those that don’t get nexted. I don’t have time to waste on flakes. I don’t take any crap from a woman, and I make that very clear from the start. Many seem to like a ‘take-charge’ man, and those that don’t use the exit door.
Go back to your women’s studies course already.
Call me a dumb blonde, but I’m not sure what you’re talking about.
That’s the definition of equality, is it not? Having the same opportunities as men and being free from sexual abuse and violence. Do you not also believe that we all have equal rights on this earth? Certainly it wouldn’t harm you in any way.
Good for you. Has it never occurred to you that you are being used in any way? Just a thought. Also, dually noted. Women don’t take shit from a man either. But important shit, mind you, not something as meaningless as sex. For someone who acts as the “take charge” man you certainly seem to have a hard time taking charge of your own body.
I shall try to explain, the original comment you replied to:
For clarity, LMR refers to last minute resistance.
Essentially mikediver is agreeing that if a women is coyly saying ‘no’ when she really means ‘yes’, then rather than acknowledge that she’s being coy and play the game all the way to the finish line, you should instead take her at her word and (since men generally still want to get laid) sack her off for a women who doesn’t play dangerous word games which can land a guy in prison, and is forthright and upfront about their sexual desires.
Essentially the reward part, which you seemingly took issue with, is that duplicitous and manipulative behaviour ought not to be rewarded (with the sex that she wants), whereas overtly communicated honesty should be (with the sex that she wants). Quite why you have a problem with that I don’t know. I suspect you read what you wanted to read in the original post you responded to.
Notice that our oh-so-outraged feminist ‘writer’ has seemingly run out of words, now that she would have to deal with actual argument instead of just expressing righteous indignation.
Man this is some bullshit
do you have an actual argument to make, or do you just get the vapors a lot ?
^virgin
In Mumbai, me and my friends met this lady on a bus with her boyfriend. She was playing hard to get so we made the ho say no, plenty of times. Which means she said yes. I don’t agree with the pipe being used but she kept saying no…
Some Indians are so clueless about how to get a woman into bed that they have to resort to forcible, criminal rape.
Sorry you belong to that group of people, man.
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This is totally true. Just yesterday I was text flirting with a chick. The mutual attraction is obvious, but at the same time she was saying things like “I’ll see you but I don’t want to have sex. Not with you.” I was getting the feeling she was playing games however, especially when she said “I’ll dress really sexy to tease you. I want you to desire me so much you’ll wish to slam me against a wall and tell me you want me”.
So then I told her “I think you just want me to ignore what you say and take you by force huh”. Her reply: “wow .. do you read minds too? Yessss .. I want to feel desired that way”.
This date is gonna be fun .. haha!
Guys what I do when I’m getting hot and heavy with a woman and encounter a lot of last minute resistance is I say ‘at any point if you feel too uncomfortable, feel free to leave’. I feel that this shows you have a take it or leave it attitude and it also makes her feel safe because she understands that you won’t keep her against her will. This one line could also help save you against any possible future rape accusations. I have fucked about 15-20 women using this technique and only been rejected twice. Believe me I push hard but I also make it understood the door is always open if she wants to leave basically saying ‘fuck me or fuck off!’.
Lol. I was so confused by this back before I took the red pill. I’m lucky I never got arrested.
Great article! Good insights.
Just supports what I suspected all along…and that the blue-pill thought processes that are pushed on young men were only holding me back with regards to how women *really* are.
Alight this is getting very ridiculous. Any guy who has ever gotten a decent amount of pussy knows that if you are going to sleep with a girl the first time you hook up, she will always say something along the lines of “you know I’m not fucking you right”. All he is saying is this is not the end, and it is often used as shit test. I’ve had girls say this to me then after sex say they totally wanted to fuck, but at the same time knew i was using them so wanted to resist at least a little. All it takes is an “okay ill play with you.” Fallowed by “okay I’m super wet just fuck me QMAN”
Sometimes “no” means “I want to have plausible deniability so I can pretend I’m not really a cock-hungry slut, but what I really want is for you to persist, because if you persist even after I’ve said ‘no’ then that means I’m really sexy and irresistible, and I like feeling really sexy and irresistible, and I want you to want me so bad that you can barely control yourself around me. I want you to want me like a hungry dog wants food. And now I want you to take me. I want you to fuck me like you need it. That’s what really turns me on.”
Preach it brutha.
stop abusing animals, you are hurting that poor dog’s feelings
this is not a site for gay men, you clicked the wrong link. faggot
HOW CAN PEOPLE NOT READ THIS ARTICLE WITHOUT HAVING THEIR JAW DROP?
Correction to your statement : HOW CAN PEOPLE WHO GET LAID NOT READ THIS ARTICLE WITHOUT HAVING THEIR JAW DROP?
^virgin
Because there’s nothing special to it.
I really don’t understand why this article is getting so much backlash and why so many women are coming on here with snarky ass comments. This social phenomenon happens ALL THE FUCKING TIME to me, and pretty much every guy I know from all walks of life. And guess what, the article is right…depending on how you treat the situation, the girl will INITIATE SEX WITH YOU right after saying no, just five minutes ago. No hardly ever means no…know why? Because a woman will not be in your bedroom at 3am hooking up with you alone if she didn’t want to fuck you. If she says no and means no at that point, you will be able to tell because she will leave or put on her clothes, or get out of her bed, or do something other then smirk and wait for you to say something charming and get rid of her slut guilt.
This is terrifying.
your face is terrifying
maybe you should spend the rest of your life hiding under your bed, if you are that scared of some post on a Blog you would never normally read
Have anything in particular you find “terrifying”.
Or do you just have a knee-jerk reaction of outrage whenever possible?
My sexual development was slowed by years by my parents pounding into my head that “no meant no” and that if a woman ever said no I should stop immediately. I spent years being too timid to make a first move, afraid that I would hear no and that would mean I had done something terrible.
I relate. You parents are traitors. Let them see how much all the potential victims they cared about more than about their own offspring will love and care for them when they are old.
Is this a fucking joke? When does no ever mean yes? Where do you get off telling women what they actually meant, when what they said was no? This is disgusting, and this website is either a sorry excuse for satire or a cesspool of unrecognized male privilege. You deserve to spend eternity in a room full of screaming mirrors.
I am privileged to say you are just another boring feminist twot from hell.
She meant what she said and she said what she meant.
So, of course, she’s not permitted to change her mind. Right?
i whole-heartedly understand that the author wasn’t trying to encourage rape in this article, but he didn’t do such a great job. because of articles like this, when i say no, guys think im joking and that i really want them to grab me and touch me but i sincerely don’t. and it’s not fair because when i say no i get accused of “teasing them”, when in reality, i was just being polite and they can’t take a hint. vincent, i feel bad that you feel this way and are destined to live the rest of your life as a jerk.
we dislike you too, no need to be polite
this is all utter bullshit
This entire website is merely a festering meeting ground of lonely virgins who try to justify their petulant existence by warping words and diluting arguments. You have neither use nor ornament.
wow you really showed us, with your superior intellect and all.
Or not.
No one asked you to come here, so go back to whatever feminist hellhole you came from, and get some new batteries for your vibrator.
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I was 7 years old when I was rape,so I guess I really wanted to have sex right sun consciously even though I had no idea what it was and why was happening this article is offensive to rape victims and you honk that when someone goes to the police and reports a rape that that is good attention,the kind of attention people want,no one would want people to look at them in the gross sad way people do when they hear about your rape,one day your daughter could be assaulted and what are you going to say that she liked it and that its just the way things are,so many people are agreeing with this article,it’s horrible,no human compassion
Sweetie we are all sorry you were violated. The author is talking about last minute resistance, which based on the commentary from the men here, seems common. He was not talking about rape.
Are you denying he had this experience, or do you think it was wrong. I mean do you think all these men are lying.
And so begins the “What about ME I was like raped like when I was 3 what do you think of that you shitlord” pity party.
Don’t be an ass. Hear what she is saying and listen to what she’s really asking for and that’s comfort and therapeutic release from that trauma ala suiceegge. In spite of that fact, logic affords no reason why she should post that at all here when clearly it’s a totally separate issue to you and I.
Hate the game playa not the playa foo
Raping a child, or a woman is a crime. A man who rapes a child should be killed on sight.
None of which is what the author is talking about here.
I understand you don’t like men after your experience. I just don’t care.
I would seriously consider changing the name of this article. Your dating advice, while in my opinion would not necessarily promote rape, at first glance justifies rape.
You don’t want to be raped and neither do I.
And so many stupid people are going to read only the titles of you articles allowing them to reinforce destructive behavioral ideas.
I’m a man, so if I was raped no-one would give a shit anyway. Male rape is a joke in movies and people are gleefully accepting it happens in prison.
It is *only* female rape that people are concerned about, and in that case it’s not concern, it’s hysteria. Just look at those bitche’s reaction here.
Oh look, someone who can’t accept equality going one way because there is supposedly inequality going the other way. Hello darkness my old friend.
“equality going one way”
Hilarious.
Why so?
Because there’s only one relation I know that’s called equality, and it is commutative.
i agree with you on the male-rape issue. but you shouldn’t condemn girls for defending themselves and their gender against articles like this. and don’t call them bitches.
you fuck those fucking feminazi bitches, most of them are so fat and ugly no normal man would want them anyway. That’s where you come in
It’s not always about being right or wrong, it should be about being kind. This article is literally a “how-to” to get a girl to sleep with you after she says no. It’s crude and inappropriate and thoughts like those should remain inside your head
Eric this is how dudes like you and I have been cheated out of so much pussy. They are telling you to be persistent, not to club her over the head and drag her around back.
Do you think this many men with this same experience are all lying? Even with the little experience I have, I would say this is accurate.
Actually, I don’t think women prefer either. Acting dominant only alerts women to the fact that you think you’re better than them, when in fact you’re not. The truth about it is, a lot of girls refuse sex because being sexually active automatically tags them as sluts and whores, by males usually. So in a way, it’s you who’s cheating yourself out of sex. Still, you can’t be cheated out of something that never belonged to you.
Eric, you’re a great guy. You don’t need to sleep with a hundred girls to be a man. A manwhore, maybe. Anyway, stick to it, friend.
Yeah, how’s listening to womens’ shitty opinions on dating working out for ya, Eric?
I haven’t given him any opinions on dating. This isn’t dating. This is having sex. One-night stands and drunken escapades. Besides, if you won’t listen to a woman’s opinion, how the fuck do you know what a woman likes? Oh, that’s right, you don’t.
“If you don’t listen to a dogs opinion, how the fuck do you know what a dog likes?” – anonymous female logician
I honestly think you’re confused. I’m not sure if the process of reading is difficult for you, but clearly your rationality is in no way justified. Women aren’t dogs and people aren’t animals. Men like you only aspire to act like dogs. And I would rather I didn’t know what disgusting fantasies the dog revels in.
You said: “Besides, if you won’t listen to a woman’s opinion, how the fuck do you know what a woman likes?”
I gave you the obvious counter example for how one can infer from another being’s responses to what it might like.
You just don’t think straight. Like with most women, your mind is just made of trigger-response pairs. No conceputal clarity, no rigorous logic, only emotion.
hey john, you have a lot of guts to comment on the mental processes of “most women”. i’m a woman and i wouldn’t comment on what most of us think because everyone is so unbelievably different. it is astounding to me that you are so blind to reality.
The guys here operate on the basis of ‘ignore what she says, pay attention to what she does’, because as any fool knows – talk is cheap. Hence the comparison that figuring out what women like is little to no different to figuring out what a dog likes, since the dog can’t talk so you have to figure it out from it’s behaviour and reactions to stimuli. Also people ARE animals, we just happen to be a species which is awesome at self importance.
That isn’t a counterexample. It’s just you replacing a word with a different, nonsensical word because you’re at a loss for a decent argument. Better yet, you’ve insulted my intelligence on the sole fact that you ASSUME I am a woman. Though you are half right, I’ve had the pleasure of being born both genders. My thinking has nigh to do with my gender. My reasoning is for the equality and the well being of the sexes. The only “rigorous logic” any man has shown my on this godforsaken website was the use of big boy words to sound smarter. Believing you’re right and actually being so are two very different concepts.
People are not wild animals, without reason and language. Why do you think we were born to communicate verbally? Proper communication among people is a combination of body language and verbal language. Why is it that you can instantly agree with any guy who writes articles like this, over the Internet where no body language is possible. And yet, as soon as a woman steps in with a logical argument, or exclaims that she isn’t comfortable with sex, suddenly she’s ignored. Why do you listen to the words of this guy even when you can’t even prove that this is true? After all, talk is cheap.
Well, as far as communicating goes I a) Didn’t actually agree with anything – I merely explained why john’s example was germane, at least from a manosphere perspective, and b) challenged the notion that we’re all that different from animals. It might interest you to learn that Pavlov, after his experiments on dogs, conducted the same experiment on humans, and achieved the very same results. Bell rung, human starts salivating. Just like the dogs.
Of course the question is, how long does Pavlovian conditioning last once there is no longer a meal after the bell is rung? For how long are men expected to behave nice and respectful when there is no reward in the pipeline for being so?
^virgin
For God’s sake, women are not on this earth for your pleasure! More often than not when a woman says no she means no, especially if she hardly knows you. There is no justification for you to force yourself on her, no matter how long you’ve been in a relationship. And if you end up letting the matter drop, and somehow she ends up wanting to have sex with you anyway, fucking great! Whatever, if she says yes then that’s a yes. But if she says no at any time, ANY TIME, you back the fuck off. I don’t care if she’s led you on, you don’t ever force yourself on someone who doesn’t want you. Men hold that same privilege to say no, all people do. And why the fuck would you want to have someone who doesn’t want you anyway? We are not animals. We do not rely on aggression and drive to run our lives. We love and we get to know each other, and most importantly we have a mutual agreement to actions. Even male chimpanzees have a natural instinct to protect females who are being abused by aggressive males. This shows us two things: one, females have every right to say no, and two, males have an obligation to respect the wishes of the female. Are you saying you’re less human than a chimp? You don’t even deserve to be in the fucking presence of women if you can’t handle yourself around one. Anything beyond respecting the sexual wishes of the female is, you guessed it, rape. It sounds to me like you’re trying to play it off as if it doesn’t exist, but rape is very real and a very big problem in today’s world. And on top of all that, women are accused of being the sluts and the whores when it seems all men are preoccupied with these days is getting with as many girls as they can.
Seriously, I find it hard to believe that any of you are adults if you can’t even fucking control yourselves around the opposite sex. Go take care of your “urges” yourself, if it’s that important to you, or find another man who shares your idiocy to do it for you. I am so goddamned sick of males thinking the world revolves around their dick. Grow the fuck up or go fuck yourself. If men have such a hard time thinking rationally when they have sexual withdrawal, maybe they shouldn’t be the ones running the country and making all the important decisions.
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Yeah, I am. Way to come up with such an intelligent response to my legitimate argument. You know that picture is of a woman, right? Apparently her opinion doesn’t matter to you, so you might as well have sent a blank photo. Well done.
It’s not women’s opinion that doesn’t matter to him, it’s your opinion.
Why doesn’t my opinion matter, then? Why can’t I say that I don’t think this article is ok? Please enlighten me, oh wise one.
Good lord, somebody get this women a publisher. Is there a publisher in the house? Anybody?
It’s really hard to tell on this website whether or not someone is being insulting or truthful. Either way, I’m aspiring to be both a writer and a public speaker one day, so you better watch out because this bamf is coming to town. Also, it’s funny how you automatically assume I’m a woman. Is this world so twisted that men can no longer stand up for what’s right and sensible?
(Granted, you are right. I just find it depressing.)
If you’re aspiring to be a writer, might I suggest some English lessons? Were I you, I’d concentrate on grammar, sentence structure, and proper presentation of an argument.
Just blathering your histrionics does not constitute a cogent argument.
Oh, I’m sorry. I didn’t know that just because I enjoy English it automatically means my writing must be flawless. Should I rewrite my valid arguments in a way that would be accepted as a college essay? This is a pristine blogging website, after all. Is that what I need to do to be taken seriously? Or do I also have to be a male conforming to male ideals? Plenty others seem to have been taken seriously and yet their grammar is atrocious.
when you find yourself insulting a person’s grammer is when you know you’ve truly lost an argument. how will she ever sleep at night knowing someone out there isn’t satisfied with her sentence structure?
^fucking mangina dipshit
I see you have nothing better to do than pepper people with petty insults. I’ve been waiting to see someone like you around here. Welcome!
There is no justification for you to force yourself on her,
And where exactly does the author discuss doing that?
The author mentions propositioning women who are in bed with him multiple times for sex.
Is that not permitted?
By the time you wrestle off her panties she’s dripping wet? Have you never had a wet dream or an unintentional boner? For someone who acts as if they know so much about the way females work you don’t know anything about physical responses.
I am sorry that you have to put so much effort into getting laid and cannot find women who willingly and consensually engage in it with you, but I am not surprised after reading your post.
Yes. You are sorry, at that.
Where exactly does the author discuss not finding “women who willingly and consensually engage in it with you”?
The author mentions having women in bed with him, who he propositions multiple times for sex, who then agree — and he has consensual sex with them.
Is this website for real? Or is it supposed to be satirical? I’m genuinely in disbelief
^another dumb femicunt arrives at RoK. Welcome!
I feel so sorry for you
“Disbelief” at what exactly?
Or do you just like expressing outrage at every opportunity possible?
This isn’t exactly just any opportunity… I rarely come across so many bullshit assumptions about my gender in one place. What kind of losers read this? Are they actually hoping to get any from following this advice?
Oh my god you are all worthless.
^another dumb femicunt arrives at RoK. Welcome!
You should see the bitches that are getting pissed over this article on Facebook. It’s hilarious. They complain how this is totally wrong, and sexist. Then one of them says “All men should be locked up, because they’re all disgusting pigs”. Ofcourse, the cunt is your typical fat, ugly, feminist bitch.
Of course, the dickwad is your typical fat, ugly, misogynistic asswipe. Please enlighten us all into how much pussy you’re getting a week… (Your hand doesn’t count)
Quite a bit, actually. Also, I’m far from fat. I’m a certified personal trainer, so I have to deal with fat bitches all day. Btw, you women have some of the worst willpower I’ve ever had to deal with. . ALL of my male clients take fitness seriously. I can’t even begin to describe the amount of progress they have all made. Whereas 90% of my female clients have been going to the gym for months with little to no progress. Why is that? Because you bitches can’t help stuffing your face with ice cream, cookies, and chocolate. Then you bitch and moan about how fat you are, all while talking shit about other women.
Wow, because insulting people due to their weight, appearance and gender is totally justifiable. We shouldn’t lock all the men up, just the people like you. Being ugly is better than being a potential rapist and a slut.
Oh, because women NEVER criticize other women for being fat or unattractive. Yeah, ok…
They do, so that means you should? Nobody should. But you in particular are doing it in a way so as to say that women are inferior. Are you not?
Obese people should be killed on sight, for the good of society.
And rapists shouldn’t? You need to get your fucking morals in line.
Being ugly precludes one from being a rapist ?
I would think not.
Why then post “Being ugly is better than being a potential rapist and a slut” ?
What are you trying to say ?
“Potential rapist” how, exactly?
This articles discusses propositioning a woman in bed multiple times for sex.
And that is “rape” how?
It’s so satisfying to see all their hatred. Finally they get something back.
You are one big fucking piece of shit.
How so?
So, please enlighten me as to why I was molested at 7 years old? Is it because my no’s meant yes?
Yes, the same with my mother’s girlfriend. When she was five years old, somebody kidnapped her and apparently her no meant yes inside of that toolshed. You know, because all woman want a dominant man and any woman saying “no” is just testing them
We don’t believe believe any of these “my mothers girlfriend got raped when she was 5” stories any more.
Why? Because western women condone perjury.
If you are prepared to lie under oath then you are prepared to lie anywhere else at any other time. Most womens “i waz raped” stories are complete lies in order to get attention and sympathy.
Hell…even MADONNA has come out with a totally unbelievable “i waz raped” story now.
Did your mothers never read you the story of “The Boy Who Cried Wolf”?
I doubt it. And in a universe in which the male side of the story counts for more than nothing I would even have sympathized with you.
Sex with children is a crime, and has been for many decades. A man who does that is scum
This article is talking about adult women having consensual sex.
I could pretent to have symathy for your case, but I’d be lying. And I’m fully sensitive to the fact that I’m totally insensitive.
what the actual fuck is this? girls, if a guy keeps trying after you said no its code for punch me the fucking throat, trust me its their biology they like.
Ummm, if you’re uncomfortable with a guy propositioning you in bed for sex multiple times , why wouldn’t you use your 2 legs and leave?
You suck. Rapist.
You know jack shit. Fuck off.
Umm. why would he be a rapist, exactly?
sad 2 say but your unhealthy fixation on sex combined with your perceived entitlement to women’s bodies has left most of you with a severe case of poo brain. it’s terminal. poo brain’s gonna eat you from the inside out and there’s nothing you can do about it
Yes, remember —
a man is not permitted to be interested in a woman for sex!
and he’s also not permitted to proposition her multiples times for sex!
Got it!
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yeaaahh… fuck this article. fuck all of the people who run this website.
That may be your fantasy…. but given that you’re either a mangina or a beat feminist who doesn’t shave her armpits… it’s highly unlikely
It is statistically proven that 2 out of 3 girls don’t orgasm vaginally during sex, and that is during sex that they have GIVEN CONSENT for. Fact is, normal sex actually HURTS girls while it pleases men tons with no consequences. For women, there are so many things that can go wrong and hurt them during/after sex. If they say no, they have good reason for it. Many won’t be pleased by it AT ALL. Regular sex is already not a pleasant experience for the majority of girls. The ones who truly enjoy sex mostly enjoy the foreplay and what would lead up to sex for the most part or they do it out of passion/love. When a person is raped, it does more to them than most of you understand. Rape is about domination and humiliation and that feels horrible to someone. They will feel dirty, unworthy, meaningless, violated, humiliated, trapped, and scared, for the REST of their life. When I said no, I got tied up for four days against a fence and got taken advantage of multiple times throughout those days. I DID NOT WANT THAT. No one does. Male or female. It isn’t about feminism. It’s about personal choices and rights. Because it happens to all of us. We are human. And if this was a bunch of gay men saying that straight men are just lying and you really do want it, you would be taking the same position as a lot of these girls, because they are terrified. It is NOT a game to them. If they say no, listen to them, even if there is a chance they’re “testing” you, because you don’t want to take that risk and destroy someone’s life just because you misunderstood them.
You got raped, now you hate men. Understandable. but we don’t care. Fuck off.
I actually don’t hate men. I have a boyfriend and I love him very much. I hate people who think it’s ok to rape people and pretend that it isn’t rape.
Not to mention this isn’t about me personally. It’s about this post as a whole. These guys are saying they are scared of being falsely accused bc it happens so “often” but really girls are just accused of lying that often. This is considered the most accurate chart when it comes to the representation of exactly that right now. We aren’t man hating, we aren’t being negative. We are literally just scared. We are terrified of living in this world and we are trying to show you all that but we just get torn down for it. We are tired of being scared, that’s all.
This graphic has been refuted many times over. That you repeat lies that have been refuted tells us you are a knowing liar.
The false rape allegation rate is closer to 90%. And this is from cops who investigate rape allegations.
This is all just propaganda to make women fear men…and it is obviously working in the west. Western women have a deep seated pathological hatred and fear of men as a result of the psyops that have been run against them for decades now.
This is why there is no hope for the current generations of western women. When you date eastern european women? You can see that they do not have the same pathological fear and hatred of men……indeed…they quite like men just like we quite like women.
I believe you, but where does that leave us? I’m scared too, or at least I used to be when I was younger. Women, their social power over me and their seemingly unpredictable behavior is probably still my number one phobia, I used to be the kind of whimp that couldn’t look a girl in the eye and go to such lengths avoiding kids to not attact a woman’s suspicion of being a pedophile. The angst of girls like you has created a nightmare for many, and that’s on of the reasons why you won’t find much sympathy here.
Personally, I simply can’t see why rape should be as bad a specter as social ostracism and years of imprisonment. I understand that you don’t care about the other side, but please understand that I don’t care about your’s either.
Because it TERRORIZES girls. Didn’t you read the first post? The pain it causes and then the way OTHERS treat her when they find out? Not to mention when most people rape, they also mutilate their victims, for a prize. THAT is scary as shit. Girls do NOT have power of males right now. It may seem like that because they are finally angry enough to fight back. That isn’t sexism toward men. Treating them like invalid sex objects who are basically just an annoyance unless it’s for sex finally got to them. You shouldn’t be scared unless you treat a woman like that. Because men who truly treat women like equals don’t have that fear and they don’t have any problems with them.And that doesn’t mean opening the door for them and pulling out their chair. Trust me. In fact, right now a lot of girls don’t want that. We want to be treated like we aren’t all the same person. There are males categorizing us all as the same intelligence level basically. Because there are women who are “feminists” for the hell of it and are horrible people for it and there are girls who lie. But we are all separate people and it isn’t fair to make it out like we aren’t. The thing is I have SEEN these things happen, I have gone through them and I have friends who have gone through them and it does destroy you. And it does the same thing to men who have been raped. Yes, that does happen. A lot! And I’m not being a feminist here. I don’t want ANYBODY being in a position that will ruin their life. If you just treat a girl with as much respect as you’d treat your male friend, you won’t be in any trouble. Most males tend to see woman a certain way and they think they treat women normally because to be honest, it is a normality at this point. And it seems like just funny jokes and that’s “”just how women are” but it’s worse than you know. That’s just where it all starts.
OK. It’s great and everything that you live in an area where it doesn’t happen as much. But, I have SEEN it. I am surrounded by it constantly. Not only have I been through rape and was accused of lying but I have a few friends who obviously went through the same thing who are being accused of lying. And even without being accused of lying, rape is one of the worst possible things to go through. I can’t explain to you the fear from hell that was running through me. Not to mention that many girls are mutilated after they are raped for their “prize”. It is fucking scary and it’s real and I also know it’s real because of the way many of the men on this very site speak of women. We aren’t being sexist, we are just finally fighting back, and that is scaring men. And I feel bd for the men who haven’t don anything wrong who get blamed. I REALLY DO. In fact I have helped out a lot of guys who have been in tough situations because they got in a situation with some tough feminists. The thing is, there is a lot that happen to us that you can’t see because you’re in a position where you have grown to see it as normal, so when we say it isn’t normal, you call it a lie.But I’ve seen it. I have and it is beyond disgusting and terrifying. I am a logical person, I don’t lash out at men or lie to them or try to make them feel bad. I just tell people what I’ve experienced and what I know others have and what we actually get on our side. Each guy treats girls a certain way and thinks that’s how all guys treat girls. The fact is MANY MANY MANY men treat women like complete, invalid, meaningless, trash. You can’t understand that until you’ve been a woman and have been touched and talked to the way we have on a constant basis. You might see it happen once and it doesn’t seem like that much, but it happens every day all the time and it doesn’t stop. And even on this site, there is proof, men are posting everywhere that they are dominant and better than us. All you have to do is read these comments. The only thing that has changed is the girls are fighting back, so the men are being more angry about their sexism. Bless the men who don’t treat us this way because we really, really need those men. You seem very intelligent and I believe you treat women fairly well from what I’ve read by you, so you may feel like you have been accused falsely of being a horrible person just because you’re a man. Just try to understand that girls are in a stage of defense right now, they may be more sensitive to things because they want it to stop. I apologize on behalf of those women, because men who treat women like they actually aren’t worthless don’t deserve to be singled out, ever. And I’ll be the one to defend that. But these aren’t lies, I know because I see it, every day. It doesn’t stop. All I want is to tell people, make them understand what I go through and how simple it’d be to change those things and how sorry I am for the fear on their side, because I know it sucks. I just want to help. I want everyone to just treat each other with respect.
“Because men who truly treat women like equals don’t have that fear and they don’t have any problems with them. […] If you just treat a girl with as much respect as you’d treat your male friend, you won’t be in any trouble.”
When I was in school, I treated girls as *superiors*, and I still got burned. In fact I believe that I got burned *because* I showed fear and so set myself up as an easy mark. Did you even read what I wrote?
“Girls do NOT have power of males right now.”
Then riddle me this: How do I get to have a woman as bad an experience as being wrongly accused of rape without much repercussion for myself? Because obviously, that’s a power women do have.
Well a lot of men think treating a woman right means buying her nice things and opening the door for them and still making jokes about how annoying she is, and still expecting sex out of them, and still cat-calling them on the streets, etc. While I am not accusing you of that, that could be a possibility and it happens very often.
You worded your question in an interesting sort of way so I’m trying to completely understand what you asked, but most men who get accused and brought to court don’t get in trouble anyway because there isn’t enough proof. The ones who are jailed always have been proven to have raped.
I understand your fear and I do want to apologize on behalf of anyone who has treated you wrongly when you shouldn’t have. I do want to point out that girls are seeming to have more power at this time because they have been fighting back and they seem like they are overreacting because they are in this defense mode because they finally decided it’s enough. You can SEE the sexism on this very website. There are men posting everywhere that they are dominant and better than us and that we are all liars and horrible. The only thing that has changed is girls are fighting back, so men who are sexist are just being sexist more angrily now. Because they don’t like being called out on it and now they are in trouble and now they are scared and that needs to happen. So if you are a man who has been treating women right, and you somehow got caught up in a bit of bullying over it, I am sorry. I am not a man-hating person. I have a boyfriend and many male friends. I don’t lash out even at the men who DO treat women horrible, because sometimes they just need someone to sit down and explain what’s happened to them. I’m sorry that you met the girls who lashed out, but they are only angry. There are some of us who are handling this the right way though.
My entire school experience with girls was this one I asked out after she (publicly) flirted with me for months. That immediately led to the whole class being informed of my alleged stalking her and basically everyone thinking I was needy and uncontrolled.
She wanted validation, making her friends thinking that I harassed her increased her value in their eyes and gave her the attention she craved for.
For me the experience was crippling because I was a nerd, utterly incapable of relating to even the male part of my peers, and also indoctrinated with feminism by my parents.
Now let me tell you another experience: Two older boys forcing me to strip in the toilet while I was in primary school. I understand that this isn’t the same as having something shoved into you, but I think it qualifies as me having some understanding of what sexual coercion feels like.
I can say, without a shred of hesitation, that being raped by an ugly bastard is an experience I would take over the feeling of helplessness in the hands of female social predators any day.
It’s because you know the rape’s going to be over, but if you’re convinced that the whole word is just thinking of you as a sick predator who needs to be shunned – that’s never going to be over. That’s the end of it.
Of course that’s not how it actually was, but that’s what nerdy teenage me though it was.
God, feminism and such experiences made me go so much off the board, I even had fantasies about technologies to have surgery to remove my sex drive.
And that’s why I love this site. It has nothing to do with my contemporary relationships with women, it is rooted in an old fear of the mob of women who think they can use me as the pawn in their game for attention.
I fear and hate such women with a passion I can barely communicate, along with their male enablers.
I know there are a lot of objectionable and ridiculous claims and attitudes in both the articles of this site and in particular the comment section, not only in regards to women, but also race (for example). But I still love it because it’s the Kryptonite against whom I perceive as my enemy.
If this site’s attitudes had been more widespread when I was young, such girls as the one in my story wouldn’t have had that kind of power over me.
Do you think that might not also be a reason why some girls hate to hear them?
Wow, you seem to have had a really hard time. But no, that toilet thing is not like being raped at all. I have been through many things like that. It was nothing like being raped, especially when you are in fear of being mutilated. Not to mention the fear of rape doesn’t end. We can’t walk anywhere. We also have to live as the “annoying” ones the ones who “deserve” to be raped. Why? Because we are women. I still live in fear and I always will. It doesn’t end. Not ever. What happened to you wasn’t in the name of all women. Like I said before, we are all different people. That girl was just a BITCH, just like a guy who fucked a girl and never called again was just an asshole. Not every guy does that.
It seems our schooling experiences were very similar, trust me I know exactly what you were going through. I was the nerd. I wore horse sweaters and was accused of touching guys butts. That was my reputation. I literally grew up without friends, but the girls and guys were BOTH horrible to me. That is just standard bullying. You were bullied, like almost everyone else ever. Don’t tell me you understand rape until it has happened to you, because it ruined my life. I’m sorry you have a fear of women. But that is only because you met a horrible one. I’m don’t have a fear of men, I have a fear of being raped again and being pushed to the side or being mutilated or tortured again because it happened once already, it could happen again. It happens all the time. It doesn’t seem that bad until it’s happening to you. I can’t express this thoroughly enough. IT WAS THE WORST THING I HAVE EVER EXPERIENCED IN MY LIFE. When you are tied up in woods against a fence with your clit cut off and a guy shoving his dick into you tearing your skin open over and over and over and then have to live your life always remembering that and feeling unwanted and disgusting and have to live in fear of it happening again then you can tell me it’s not that bad. The fear never goes away. I never leave my house. I still have nightmares, when i DO actually go to sleep which I am scared to do because in sleep I am too vulnerable. It NEVER goes away. And you cannot compare some school bullying to that kind of fear. There’s a reason there are horror movies about rape and not about school bullying. I went through the same things you have, trust me, it only got worse. All you needed was some website to make you feel better. For me, it doesn’t matter how many girls get together or how angry they all are at men, my life will always be filled with terror because there will always be men on websites like this, defending what happened to me and i cannot even being to express the fear that puts in me.
I do also want to say that I’m not trying to be rude, just explain my fear and many others’. Again, I am very sorry for what happened to you. It just doesn’t compare.
I’m truly sorry about that. It’s not even just rape and obviously there will have been no ambiguity in your communication.
I also know that I’m of course far from unusual in my school experience (although you probably are), and I don’t hate women: I only hate feminists, because they only see the one side and get hysteric when the other is presented on sites such as this one.
Then again I hate a lot of things, schools in general too and I think they fuck up everyone, girls and boys alike.
I’m doing fine today, and leave you with wishing you well – I hope you manage.
I agree with you about school. Do know that I am a feminist. I think that you’ve been scarred by those who call themselves that and treat you horribly. Thank you for listening to me. Most people haven’t been as thoughtful and considerate as you have. I can tell you are very intelligent and have been through some rough shit. You are a good person. I hope you can remember that through the world’s downfall.
good term – “female social predators”. This is an area that is really overdue for some careful analysis. For anyone subscribing to mainstream or radical feminism power is something women lack in relation to men, and it follows that anything that makes women more powerful is a good thing, and anything that detracts is a bad thing. What this overlooks – are the varieties of power / influence that many women exercise naturally and unthinkingly, particularly through their social networks, but which even when it is felt as unpleasant or objectionable still goes unseen and unregistered as a form of social power that that should be seen alongside the varieties of power that men exercise (which are always as recognised as power). There is an urgent need for these areas to be theorised. Psychopathy / sociopathy for instance has been intensely studied and theorised in the social and professional realms, but largely because it is typically associated with how men exercise social power. Most treatments on psychopathy (short of actually violent behaviour) will associate the phenomenon with narcissism, yet low-level narcissism, involving a kind of social violence: verbal, non-violent bullying, manipulation and direction of social groups, particularly through exclusion and importantly scapegoating (as in Rene Girard) is largely ignore. There’s a lot of focus on bullying these day largely because it has a high cost in children’s lives, but the networks of power, both male and female, within which this takes place, is often unexplored, and where it is explored it is never examined in terms of female modes of exercising power, influence & using the term broadly, violence.
My father is a retired Sexual Assault detective. He agrees that most of the cases he’s taken on turn out to be false accusations.
” been through rape and was accused of lying but I have a few friends who obviously went through the same thing who are being accused of lying. And even without being accused of lying”
If women did not want to be accused of lying then you would punish women who lie. Since women openly support and praise and reward women who lie you are all put into the bucket of “liars” by any intelligent man.
You want to be taken seriously? Punish women who lie, especially women who lie under oath.
“rape is one of the worst possible things to go through”
Then why do your not take us men seriously when we say we have been raped by our wives? By the standards of women I was raped MANY times in my marriage. Women LAUGH at men who say they have been raped by their wives so why should we take you women seriously?
By the way? Rape is a non-crime compared to stealing a mans children, stealing his house, stealing his future income and destroying his whole life.
No women care about doing that to a man. So many men like me are now saying in public we care about women being raped no more and NO LESS than women care about us being victims of crimes….which is not at all.
You want to be taken seriously? Demand women criminals are punished rather than reward them. Ok?
Men like me are going to denounce you western women as EVIL PEOPLE in the 99.9%+ majority until you join us in prosecuting criminal women on an equal before the law basis to men.
Kanin, E. (1994). “False Rape Allegations.” Archives of Sexual Behavior . 23(1):81–92.
I can”t believe this at all. This article is teaching men to not even see women as an equal. That they “truly” know what is going on in her head. That they “truly” know when she really wants his dick. Please… this is disgusting. I can’t understand how someone can believe and follow these ideas. No one should. No has never meant yes. No means no. there is no secret body language and there is no special message hidden in her subconiscious where she’s thinking to herself “I’m saying no but after we have sex I’ll really appericate becasue I’m just so wet” NO. hell no. men, to impress a women, I sware every woman wants to be respected. there is nothing more unattractive and a man who thinks she’s some piece of meat just begging to be pounced on.
I believe that you are truly an idiot rather than merely a liar.
I’m the idiot. Really…wow.
He’s trying to be kind, I’m not.
You’re just another deluded feminist. Fuck off.
If that’s kindness then I don’t want to know what isn’t.
Oh, wait, actually I’m pretty curious now.
I believe that you are both.
Most girls are wet literally all day. That does not mean they are turned on. That premise that they are taking is ridiculous You are so right. EVERYONE deserves respect, not just women, but not just men either. These guys think they are above us and that we like being submissive. I have a boyfriend and I love him BECAUSE he isn’t one of these guys and we treat each other like best friends. I carry his shit and he carries mine, i open the door for him and i pull my own chair out. I don’t need nor do i want a man doing my shit for me and then expect me to let him fuck me for it. Consent is so important bc so many girls are tortured for the rest of their lives over rape and these guys are pretending that what they are talking about isn’t rape. It is rape if she doesn’t give you consent. That is it. Don’t be the guy that destroys someone’s life so you can please your fucking organ.
women are not my equal. Society says you are, but we both know that is bullshit.
I pump ’em and dump ’em. Respect is earned, not given, and modern women have not earned a damn thing.
And what you think about that is worth less than 0.
If anyone isn’t an equal in society it’s you, you fucking pig. You’re not a human, you’re an animal. If you’ve ever had any respect you certainly didn’t earn it.
And where, exactly, does the author say otherwise?
He discusses propositioning women who are in bed with him multiple times for sex.
youre disgusting
right back atcha, sister.
“With rape laws the way they are in countries like the US and Canada, it’s downright scary to be a man and act with natural disinhibition in the company of beautiful women in these countries.” Natural disinhibitition? First of all, dis-inhibition*. Second of all, its far more natural to be able to stop yourself from fucking literally every attractive person you see. I wonder if you can still put hits on people with Silkroad 2.0…
Bzzzz. Try again moron.
OED: disinhibition
Merriam-Webster: disinhibition
American Heritage: disinhibition
It’s not hyphenated in the major dictionaries.
Threats of violence against someone for mentioning that he propositions women in bed with him multiple times for sex?
Yup, we’ve got a feminist!
real question, have any of you actually ever been within two feet of a real vagina?
I even traveled through one once.
I could only fit one foot in, sorry.
why, you enjoy sex with a foot, or two feet?
we’re unhappy to have to breathe the same air as you
So when I was 3 years old and raped and I said no, you’re telling me I actually meant yes? No of course not, because you’re implying that rape is okay if it’s a grown women. If a female says no, it does not matter what age or the circumstance. No means no. No NEVER means yes, and I’m so disappointed that there are people who think otherwise.
Stop being stupid and read the article.
Just like a typical woman. Didn’t even read the article, you’re just making assumptions and spewing bullshit.
http://www.thathappened.com
Another sympathy addict. Most likely with short hair.
did you even read the fucking article?
^stooooopid femininst cunt from hell alert
I’m sorry, did you just call her a cunt? Because I don’t understand. You just negatively called her the only thing about women that actually MATTER to you. What she wrote completely applies to the article. The article is saying that when girls say no they mean yes. Like we are all liars or are trying to play some game. No. We just don’t want to have to endure pain to satisfy someone we don’t even like thank you.
No, he called her the only thing that is likable about feminists.
Exactly – the only thing that matters to you. Being I know plenty of feminists and they are LOVELY people who have had horrible things happen to them and their friends and are sick of it.
like I give a shit what you think you know
fuck off. cunt
please tell your feminist friends, maybe all your heads will explode from rage
Just know that if you were going to pull this sick shit on me, i’ll fucking rip your dick off. Fuck you if you think this is okay you sick sacks of shit.
ooooooooh the wittle feminist is all mad
awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Perhaps if you lost some weight, grew out your hair and stopped giving out such a creepy, loser vibe, you might get a real man.
Then don’t cum to my bed !!!
you’re an asshole.
Based on the first paragraph in this article, I’m pretty sure you’ve actually committed rape. Good job. Fuck you.
Based on your commnet, I’d say you didn’t even read the first paragraph, never mind the whole article
yet another tiresome femicunt arrives at RoK, all outraged – too bad nobody here gives a fuck
“Plowing through a woman’s objections with bemused persistence isn’t for newcomers to the game.” So bypassing a woman’s unwillingness to have sex is just a game, toying with her conscious choices of whether or not she wants to? Maybe your theory, with some or many females, is true. But one cannot simply assume that every single woman thinks and acts that way, and that playing your little game has only one set of rules. Think about it this way: every girl that one desires sexual interaction from comes with her own arguments, disagreements, decisions, choices, opinions, and if you don’t respect those you will inevitably lose the game. So learn her unique set of rules, respect them, and stop forming generalized assessments of the one group of people that you need to “get some” from because if you upset them, you will not “get some.”
I keep seeing comments about how the idea of women wanting caring partners and not dominant partners is a “new” idea, a “hipster” idea. It’s not.
Judging by your opinions, which aren’t backed up factually, you’re not a very literate person. Therefore, I assume you have never read the Canterbury Tales. These tales are a collection written by Geoffrey Chaucer (a man, I may point out) near the end of the fourteenth century.
Oh! Medieval times. When women always submitted to men! When women knew their place!
Wrong.
One of the Tales is called the Wife of Bath’s tale. In it, a knight is sent on a quest to find out what “women want most in the world”. Judging by your opinions, stated above, your answer would be that women want dominance most in the world.
So the knight goes out and he’s trying to find the answer, and finally he meets this old hag who says she will give him the answer if he gives her a reward. The answer she gives him is this: What women want most in the world is to be in charge of their husbands and lovers. Every woman in court agrees, and later, when the knight gives his new wife, the hag, the choice of whether she wants to be pretty and unfaithful or ugly and loyal, her choice is to be young and pretty and loyal. So you see, because the knight gave the woman her own choice, and respected that choice (without even knowing what it was going to be) everything turned out for the best.
Remember that even though it’s the “Wife of Bath’s” Tale, it was written by a man, in the fourteenth century.
The idea of women actually being people isn’t new. It’s centuries old.
Of course, since you assume that you understand every woman’s wants and needs and opinions, you are probably reading this and thinking, “Oh this stupid chick needs to get back to the kitchen because her intelligence level is so low”. If you aren’t, props to you, you’ve learned something new today. If you are, as I suspect, you’ve got a long way to go before you actually grow up.
“Oh! Medieval times. When women always submitted to men! When women knew their place!” Whom are you imitating here? I’m pretty sure that middle ages were a time intellectually not quite unlike ours are today:
– A decadent intellectual ruling caste spouting egalitarian slogans with
– a power base of a dumb, unproductive people wanting to hear those slogans and
– their victims of less educated, but productive people who were unable to know how they were exploited and didn’t know what to do about it.
The wife of bath is a very dominant character who seems to advocate some quite radical ideas. There is some evidence that Chaucer may have been accused (and been guilty) of rape, which perhaps you are aware of. As her tale is about knightly conduct, and how to behave towards women, one might also wonder whether Chaucer’s experience in the Hundred Years war may have had anything to do with it. The latter was characterised by gross violence, rape and murder on a massive scale – what were called Chevauche – in which the English marauded through france having a whale of a time at the expense of the locals. Chaucer’s tale seems to compare the notion of chivalry (gentilesse) with the reality of how knights of old actually behaved, and of course Chaucer seems as such to be the model for the knight in question. Just as after the first and second world wars the horror of violence persuaded intellectuals to revolt against male violence, so Chaucer, his sensitivity compounded perhaps by personal guilt, seems to have come up with a proto-feminist tract by way of repair or apology.
Personally I think Chaucer’s solution is quite similar if less tortured to the despairing masculinity of the Frankfurt school, which instituted a war against masculinity in favour of a matriarchal socialism. I also think guilt-ridden masculinity, whether its Chaucer’s or that of the Frankfurt intellectuals just perpetuates a vicious cycle that makes violence more not less likely.
Despite that though it depends how you interpret the wife of bath. On the one hand she seems to demand sovereignty and domination, and for women to have control over their husbands, both in the prologue and in her tale but on the other this demand seems to be commuted to a plea for women to be given choice – bringing us back to the theme of rape / consent. I have no problem with women having choice, being engaged in partnership etc, but its never quite clear how far that choice takes us; whether it simply becomes a female sovereignty and in turn a tyranny. Certainly the wife of bath’s husbands are practically victims, men she dominates and ridicules. What women want may or may not be what men should give them. And is a guilt-ridden genius rapist really a model for a feminist to hold up to the world? Moreover if we give you feminist ‘hags’ the choice in question are you sure you would as in her tale turn into beautiful dutiful wives or would you simply try to take over the world? Where in feminism do any women turn into beautiful dutiful wives?
Reading this article was like watching a pedophile justify touching kids. They know it ‘looks’ bad but think that if you just listen to what they say you will understand why they just had to do what they did. I know it’s a hyperbole but at the same time… seriously. You have this article under ‘game’ with a picture of a taped up crying woman and rape fear lines at the top of an article called ‘When her No Means Yes’. The jist of the article is rape is a compliment and only egoist women claim to be raped for attention. Yep. Welcome to the internet.
“Reading this article was like watching a pedophile justify touching kids.”
And you wonder why we do not take western women seriously any more? Duh!
The image is to attract the likes of you to bring us traffic.
you didn’t even rtfa judging from your comment
welcome to the internet, where dumb femicunts read the title and get enraged then post some bullshit analogy that is way off base…seriously
On some level I understand what you’re trying to come across with the whole ‘you have to prove yourself worthy’ for her and most women want someone to fight for them. But you are all levels of fucked up when you believe this ‘theory’ applies to women who blatantly tell the man “no”. You don’t communicate your theory well at all. Try a different field.
It dost not matter if you think her No Means Yes if she says no get the hell out
Ladies,
every man knows that “no” is just a womans way of saying “you have to keep trying”.
If you did not want it to be that way? Then you are welcome to say “yes” up front.
As my fav#1 said to me when the discussion of marriage was on the table:
“If you ask me to marry you then you need to ask a few times, I have to say no a few times, but please keep asking because I will say yes.”
This is how women think. It is quite normal and us men know it. They have to pretend like they are resisting and that the man is “winning them over”. It seems to satisfy some deep seated need they have….maybe domination and control, maybe manipulation, who knows.
But it is normal and natural and I have seen it in pretty much all the women I know. Even my own mother would do this to my father when they were talking about things for the house.
“But what are we as men supposed to do, drop out altogether?”
Relocate to countries where false rape allegations are treated very seriously and are therefore almost non-existent…..like Germany or further east.
I keep saying that I am treated with the respect I have earned across my life time here in Germany. I have been working to get the World Passport accepted by the German guvmint. I asked for help but none was forthcoming.
If men had helped me with the World Passport it might be working here in Germany now.
@PeterAndrewNolan:disqus
As a man of Angle stock, do you strongly believe Victorian belief and practice of sexual repression has a strong influence in today’s rape ‘laws’ and the rigged sexual market amongst today’s western women?
I am on record to say I am not even of Angle stock myself, but that I have been observing for two years already.
African rituals are damn tough.Getting the panties off requires high level game.Flaking rate is high.
Ah I love the sweet smell of butthurt in the morning. Hilarious. LOLZ
Here’s a funny story I heard which will prove enlightening. Bob is a hunter who takes it upon himself to bring down a particular big mean grizzly bear. He goes looking for the bear, sees him and shoots, but misses. The bear catches up with him and captures him. The bear says “Well Bob … you just tried to kill me. That’s not nice at all. I won’t kill you today in revenge though, don’t worry. I’ll just fuck your ass to teach you a lesson”. So the bear rapes Bob and then lets him go. Bob returns many times to try and kill the bear, but every time he fails, and every time the bear rapes him. On the third or fourth time that this happens, the bear taps Bob on the shoulder while he’s doing him from behind and says: “Uhm, Bob … this isn’t just about bear hunting anymore, is it”.
All these harpies screaming about rape and ‘rape culture’ are like Bob. Just observe how totally entranced they are by this rape thing. How they see it everywhere. How they look for anything someone might say which could warrant yet another ‘rape culture’ rant. How they are drawn to it. How they *obsess* about it all. How they want to convince themselves all men are rapists just waiting for a chance to rape *them*. Why? This is even more telling when you notice that the most vociferous ‘rape culture’ social warriors are mostly butt ugly, masculine, fat feminists. Those which make you say “Yeah, as if anyone would ever want to rape *you*”.
These are the same feminazis who insist that ‘rape’ (whatever their definition of it is), is all about ‘power’. And that’s the whole key to it. When they say rape is about power, they are not lying. They are actually projecting their own feelings about it. It is indeed about power …but power for *them*! It’s all about VALIDATION!
How come it’s not the hottest, most feminine girls (ie the most desirable ones) who worry the most about rape and the so called rape culture? Because it’s the undesirable ones who WISH they had that power over men! In their fantasies, they want men to feel so attracted to them that they will want to risk it all and rape them. But it’s just not happening for these undesirables. And that knowledge makes them go crazy for any kind of validation.
When they see this, they try to move the goal posts. They try to change the definition of things in such a way that even them, undesirable as they are, can claim a slice of the validation cake. In other words, they want everything to become ‘rape’ so that their own Id can say “See, even I had someone want to rape me. I too can make a man lose control. I too am attractive!”
Despite all the bullshit ideology they spout, their in-built biological need for sexual validation cannot be denied. They obsess about rape and rape culture because they WISH they had that sort of power over men, whereby a man would risk it all just because he’s overcome with desire for them.
That bear joke is priceless.
Woah, now what you’re saying here is not okay. I was raped. WAS definitely raped, tied up, raped, and mutilated. Not only that, but I am considered attractive by many. It isn’t necessarily about just power, but dominance and humiliation. It destroys a girl’s life and they DO like having that power. The thing is, rape happens. Just because you wouldn’t do it, doesn’t mean MANY other guys wouldn’t either. This post DOES defend rape because of the way a lot of MEN are taking it. They are using it as an excuse to rape without calling it rape, pretending that it’s an ok thing to do, and if you look through the comments, you’ll see that. Girls are overreacting because it’s scaring them. A lot.
Real rape is never OK and we would never defend it or encourage it. Read again this article and the recent companion article ‘how women train men to rape’ and see for yourself. The author there wrote clearly that if a man is in any doubt, he must stop and make sure she’s OK with it.
Many of our responses which may seem alarming are just in response to some ridiculous claims by feminists with a fixation on a mythical ‘rape culture’, who want to expand the definition of rape to mean practically anything. Like sex when both parties are drunks. Or playful mixed signals which are just part of the normal dance of seduction. Or anything which may make someone feel mildly uncomfortable, including a corny joke. Some even have gone as far as to say that all penetrative sex is by definition ‘rape’, even if consensual. Look for it online and you’ll find it.
That’s just ridiculous. But no sane person would condone real rape the way you described it and unfortunately had to endure. We are just sick of this crap that wants to equate something normal and playful to what you had to go through, when we all know there’s a world of difference.
Don’t you feel yourself insulted when someone claims that, say, some silly chick having drunken sex and then feeling remorse the morning after is rationalized as constituting rape, when you know what real rape is? Would you agree your experience was on that same level? I don’t think so.
Yes I do. And I agree with the fact that a lot of that crap isn’t rape, while a lot of it is a good bit disrespectful, it isn’t rape. Though there are a lot of girls who are drunk to the point where they DID say no but were so shitfaced, they couldn’t do anything. And I think that is definitely rape. However, just being drunk and regretting it later does not mean you were raped.
But those people who are extending it like that and calling everything rape, aren’t what feminists really are. Those are people who took our name and treat others horribly through it.
Not only that, but a lot of girls who are overreacting about rape, really are just scared because of how much of a reality it is. It is truly terrifying. So, they may be a good bit more sensitive over things than you’d understand or like them to be. They just want it to stop and it’s is really hard to find a point that will get to those that think rape is ok.
I understand you being sensitive about it. You have your reasons because of what you experienced. Most probably you had to go through PTSD and a great deal of fear and apprehension. But do understand that notwithstanding the ‘filter’ we see the world through, that does not mean the world is really like that. Yes, monsters are out there. And they do not just prey on women. Even men can get beaten, robbed, murdered, raped and so on. Actually the bulk of violence in general is done by men on other men. It doesn’t mean though that a normal person with a normal lifestyle, who stays aware of his surroundings and avoids putting himself in dangerous situations or associating with dangerous people, is in any significantly increased risk.
You sound like a genuine understanding person with genuine concerns, and I respect that. I recommend you study the information on this website, which is probably the best resource there is on personal safety and violence in general.
http://www.nnsd.com/
It’s a huge site so take your time studying it. Pay special attention to the topics about minimizing personal risks. I’m sure it will make you feel much more in control of your environment. Knowledge is power, and a lot of fear is really fear of the unknown. Arming yourself with the right knowledge will greatly reduce your fears.
I actually made that point about men being raped as well to someone else before on here. I am not a man-hater, at all. I love my boyfriend and I have many male friends. I don’t think they are out to get us, at all.
I have done plenty of studying on keeping myself safe. Unfortunately, the one who did that to me was a close friend and I trusted him a lot. It was definitely out of my control, unless I was Black Widow or something.
You are one of the most logical, thoughtful, and intelligent people on here. I think that if you saw the things I, as a woman, have to see and deal with on a daily basis, you may change your mind about rape culture and how differently men treat women for the most part. I am touched and talked to in ways I shouldn’t nor want. And when I say something about it I’m suddenly a frigid bitch and my opinions stop mattering. Like, because I don’t give sex, I don’t matter anymore. It’s all I’m good for, because I’m a girl. And I have ALWAYS gone through these things. A lot of girls do and start feeling worthless and unwanted bc they don’t give sex and it’s a shame. It is real. It exists and it is common. Monsters come in all shapes and sizes. Sometimes, they don’t even know they are monsters, because it’s a normal lifestyle to them, but they aren’t the ones being treated as if they are only alive to please someone’s organ. I really wish I could show you what it is like through my eyes, because there is more going on than I think you realize.
We are all existentially alone and all have or have had our own private hell, that much I understand. Every mind is its own world.
In the past there used to be a social contract or system. A common name for it was ‘chivalry’. For the last few decades this has been destroyed by forces which are destroying everything which was at the core of western civilization. The result is that it’s making both men and women feel worthless and alienated. Many men are either choosing to drop out of society because they are sick of it all, or just deciding “to hell with society’s expectation, I’ll just do what’s best for myself”. What do we expect men to do after decades of being told they suck and that women don’t need them anymore? (which is a big lie, but that’s the narrative that is enforced). Tell someone for long enough that he sucks, and eventually he will suck. The rebound effect of this all is that men – women relationships have been poisoned. They don’t trust each other anymore. Men are left feeling worthless and unappreciated, so they rebel. Women are left feeling their only worth is their vagina and not much else, as you describe. Again, not surprising when every traditional feminine virtue and quality has been attacked and shamed. The end result is that both men and women are unhappy.
Most of us don’t like the way things are either. But at least we are bringing these issues out in the open. Either we manage to slowly fix things, or just witness the whole damn thing collapse and then rebuild from there. Either way, nature will find its way. In the meantime we try to do the best we can.
I’m not saying that there is no such thing as a girl who does accuse someone of rape when they aren’t guilty, but there ARE men on here taking the article that way.
I was 100% in agreement with you until I got past the second paragraph.
I will agree that *extremist* feminists are obsessed with rape culture and, as you say, look for it anywhere they can.
I was raped when I was 24. I mean the thrown-down-the-concrete-stairs-fingers-raw-from-clawing-at-the-ground-covered-in-bruises-and-scratches-knocked-unconscious-and-eight-stitches-in-my-chin-with-permanent-jaw-damage kind of raped.
How. HOOOOOOW can you think that that in any way gave me validation or power? How. HOOOOOW can you for a second think that that experience in any way made me feel attractive or desirable?
To be perfectly honest with you, I’ve read several of your comments and have found myself nodding in agreement with a lot of the things that you say. So I’m surprised to read a comment like this from you. It’s hurtful and disappointing, and I don’t at all understand the logic. Help me to see what you meant by this?
Yes. First thing I can tell you is that if you are sensing a huge disconnect, most probably we are using different definitions for certain things. I’ll do my best to explain why that is.
The crux of the matter, and the reason for this whole debate, is that the term “rape” has become a catch all term that can mean everything and anything. A couple of examples are in order.
Let’s take a case where a man and a woman are both drunk and end up having sex. Nowadays, that’s considered grounds for “rape” since, the reasoning goes, while drunk the woman might not have been in full control of her faculties to be able to give consent, or conversely, if she wasn’t drunk she might not have given consent. OK, let’s accept this reasoning as valid. Never mind that it’s totally one sided, since if both were drunk, then how come it’s only her consent that matters, and not his? How come he’s the rapist by default, even though it was consensual at the time, while her breath is always clean? And what about all the other possible circumstances that could affect the dynamics, including to what degree each one of them was intoxicated? But still, let’s accept that this constitutes “rape”. So this is one possible definition of what “rape” could mean.
Now let’s consider your own dramatic case. Since you called it ‘rape’ I think I can safely assume that it included unwanted sexual violation. But you mentioned things which go far beyond just that – violent assault, being forcibly thrown against the hard ground, being knocked unconscious, and physical injury so serious as to leave permanent damage. And we’re defining this under the catch-all term “rape” as well.
Now if you compare your actual “rape” to the example of the two drunks messing around, don’t you notice anything strange? Cos I sure do. Don’t you think that defining both cases simply as “rape” and leaving it at that gives one no idea of the *dramatic* difference between your unfortunate experience and that of two people fooling around while drunk and maybe one of them regretting it in the morning? Yet we are calling both these examples “rape”. That’s totally absurd.
You weren’t just “raped”. From your description I’m presuming you were forcibly held / abducted without your consent (kidnapping), assaulted, beaten and battered. I’d even say that what you went through constituted *attempted murder*, since being flung down concrete stairs is potentially fatal. Lots of people die from head injuries inflicted from falling or being thrown to the hard ground. You called it “rape” because you were also sexually assaulted. I would call it something far more serious than that however, since it included abduction, assault, battery, grevious bodily harm and attempted murder. The actual sexual assault was only a part of it. It’s all the other brutal violence on top of that which makes it so much serious, and removes all doubt that you didn’t consent to it.
I’m no legal expert, but I’m pretty sure that this is how such a case would be dissected in a court of law as well. And for very good reasons. Furthermore they would consider many other factors, such as whether you knew the attacker, what happened before the incident, whether it was something that escalated there and then or if the attacker took you to a secondary location after which he assaulted you (indicating premeditation), whether it was a mugging gone south which degenerated into battery and rape, whether it started as a sexual advance and escalated into violence, etc. I’m not saying this because I want you to share details of such a harrowing experience, but to show you just how many layers this particular onion can have.
I’m sure you remember the fairly recent case of that woman in India who was assaulted on a bus, gang raped, and then brutally tortured and murdered. How did the media keep referring to that case? Most of the time they simply referred to it as a “rape”. Excuse me, but in that case the actual rape (as in ‘unwanted sexual intercourse’), was the least damaging thing that poor woman went through. It wasn’t just a frigging rape, it was a brutal, sadistic murder! The sexual assault was just an opportunistic thing they did on top of that. She was fucking killed in a most brutal and horrible manner, for christ sake! And yet everyone was calling it a “rape”, as if that one word can convey the reality of what happened, or as if “rape”, whatever it means nowadays, trumps all other horribly violent things people can do to one another. And now ‘rape’ is also taken to mean something as silly as feeling remorse after a night of drunken sex.
So you see now why you may come here, read something like what I wrote above, and be shocked? It’s because we could be using the same word “rape”, yet thinking of totally different things. Your definition of rape is based on your experience, which included a great deal of serious violence, whereas I was mocking the stupid feminazi bullshit about “rape culture” and how they want to define everything as rape, in such a way that the term doesn’t mean anything anymore.
The ‘validation’ I mentioned referred to all the attention whoring, chest thumping and social warrior posturing of the stupid rad-fems, who want to spread this phobia about a rape culture and call every normal sexual interaction ‘rape’ just to bring attention to themselves. True violence is totally another kettle of fish, and if you thought for even a moment that I would be condoning that, I hope I made myself absolutely clear now. I also hope my explanation will help you understand our comments here in their true light. I wish you all the best.
I understand completely what you’re saying and for the most part, it makes sense.
I definitely disagree with the idea that two drunk people having sex is grounds for rape. However, I do feel that when a man intentionally takes advantage of a drunk woman and has sex with her when she may be incapable of “consenting” (meaning, she is so drunk she’s unconscious), that is technically rape and predatory. Should she have had that much to drink? No. But that doesn’t mean that anyone gets to have their way with her. And for the record, in my case I was simply trying to unlock my door after returning home from work.
I think the confusion for me was the fact that you all seem to be perpetuating the lie by applying the term “rape” where it’s a fallacy. A simple change of the mind the next day does not warrant a rape claim. We all know it, and yet you’re all up in arms about it and at the same time, feeding the fire with your own fuel. Am I making sense?
I realize that for the most part you’re exhibiting irony if nothing else, but that is what got me confused, because I didn’t take it as such.
You know, I really have to give this site some credit. While I rarely agree with anything said here, there are some gems of wisdom from people such as yourself, and some of the contributors. For a long time I have associated myself with the feminist movement. Not at all feminism today, but the roots of it when women were truly not given the same chance at life simply because of our gender. That said, what I keep coming back to is that whether or not I want feminism to be what it has become (I have to say, someone here posted a link to a site callled “I HATE MEN” and I was truly shocked and appalled that those women call themselves feminists – I don’t believe them to be feminist but man-hating hysterical extremists – never what I considered feminism to be), but I had to accept that this IS what feminism has become. And I just can’t identify with it.
So you all have helped me to come to the conclusion that I’m not a feminist, I’m a humanist. So for that, I suppose I owe you my gratitude!
Play hard to get boys. It is your dick that you are putting in their vile excreting hole. Realize that it is women who are being done a favor, not you.
Since when is hearing “no”, followed by coercion, manipulation, or force, better or more enjoyable than an enthusiastic “yes”?
I’ve said no once. I meant it. I was a virgin, and I was raped. I never reported it, because reporting a rape does, in fact, have many unpleasant and painful consequences for a woman.
Sex isn’t a game that you win. It’s a shared intimacy, and if it is mutual, it’s far more enjoyable for everyone.
Vincent, you are not a man. You’re a boy. A dangerous, entitled, emotionally crippled boy. I hope you’ll grow the f*** up one day soon, and stop spreading your warped view of relationships and women to other equally twisted manbabies.
The times when women can dictate to men what a man is – as opposed to a boy – will soon be coming to an end.
“Since when is hearing “no”, followed by coercion, manipulation, or force, better or more enjoyable than an enthusiastic “yes””
Who said it is? Everyone would prefer to get only “yes” instead of “no”. Makes things far easier. The author is simply outlining a reality.
And before anyone pronounces me fat, ugly, or stupid, which seems to be the absurd theme here:
IQ: 138
Height: 5’4″
Weight: 115
Measurements: 38-26-36
Lingerie model/mixed martial artist/happily married
@ Phantom: Nobody ever only hears “yes.” It’s a fact, for both women and men. Attraction is a mysterious thing. “No” isn’t personal. Don’t take it that way, just move along.
@John: A man knows when to move on. Good luck with that attitude.
So you agree it’s a fact. And precisely because attraction and seduction is such a mysterious dance, those who look and learn eventually realize “No” doesn’t always mean no. If it did, the dance wouldn’t be mysterious at all. QED.
Yes, I agree that hearing “no” is a fact. I don’t agree that “no” means anything but “no”. There are over 7 billion people on this planet. Why waste your time on someone who is less than enthusiastic about you when there are so many others that could be a perfect fit? Is it just about getting laid no matter what the cost? Because then you’re settling for someone who isn’t that into you, and selling yourself short. Nobody wins there. At all.
>Nobody ever only hears “yes.”I don’t agree that “no” means anything but “no” are both you being quoted.
Are you really this dumb or are you just pretending to not understand what Phantom meant?
Let me spell it out more clearly, mainly for the benefit of the other guys reading this.
At least two thirds of communication is non-verbal. The bulk of communication is actually behavioral and situational, conveyed by many other things (proximity, use of personal space, sharing of activity, body language, facial expression, tone of voice, pupil dilation, pheromone release etc).
A ‘No’ really means no only when it’s congruent. This means it’s an unmistakable ‘no’, because everything – verbal *and* non verbal – aligns to mean ‘no’. So if a woman declines an invitation to share space with a man and removes herself from his personal space, and does not seek any further interaction, then that is a clear ‘no’. Anyone who’s not stupid will realize that.
The ‘no that does not really mean no’, happens when someone verbally says something that means no, but is contradicted by the non verbal cues (which are the bulk of communication). In other words, a mixed message. Some examples? A woman, after having already built rapport and flirting with you, agrees to go on a date with you but prefaces it with the disclaimer “I want to only meet you as a friend though”, or words to that effect. Happened to me several times. Each and every time we ended up having enthusiastic, perfectly consensual and satisfying sex at the end of the date, despite the disclaimer.
Another frequent example is when a woman is obviously into you – shared personal space, eye contact, flirty body language, increased proximity, touching, kissing, caressing and then agrees to go with you into a private place. After all that – when ALL behavioral and non verbal cues are saying that she knows you are about to have sex and she’s going along – she might put up some token verbal resistance or even seem to resist some physical advances, but still stays there in your space receiving them. Again that’s a bit of game to increase the sexual tension. It’s not a real ‘no’.
In short, ‘no’ is not just conveyed by what someone’s flapping lips are saying, but by a host of other things which anyone with enough experience can readily pick up. That’s why the ‘at face value no’ does not always mean no. And there is no mistaking a real ‘no’ either.
Clear now?
I know exactly what is being said here. And I am aware what I said. No means no, yes means yes, and everyone hears no at some point. Am I dumb, John? Or do you lack reading comprehension skills?
Phantom, I think I like you, in spite of your prior super-creepy bear rape analogy. I’m guessing you’re still relatively young. (20s? I’m in my early 30s.)
What I’m trying to say is don’t play games. AND don’t play into games. Don’t sell yourself short by wasting time with a woman who says no and maybe means yes. That’s a woman who isn’t mature or ready for a relationship. Find a woman who genuinely means yes, and has the maturity and honesty to say so. Know her, her values, and her interests. Make sure they align with yours. It’s no lifetime guarantee – few things are – but it’s a good start.
You probably claim >Nobody ever only hears “yes.”Nobody hears “yes” always.< here.
I’m not a native speaker, so I don’t have the authority to decide the matter, but I took it to mean the same thing that Phantom thought it meant.
It’s a good start into getting what women want from men more than men want from women.
Correct. Everyone hears “no” at times. It’s not personal, and not worth your time to pursue. There are too many “yes-es” to explore. Why waste your time perusing “no?”
Because if it’s the mating-ritual-kind-of-no as described by Phantom, it’s a turn-on.
In fact I’d even go as far as saying that for me it’s a necessary thing to happen. Women who say “yes” outright or even take initiative are not my taste. It kills any tension I might have felt.
No, finding someone who is equally interested and compatible means you BOTH get what you want. (Side note: NO relationship will fulfill your every need. No man or woman is required or able to do so. Compromise, understanding, and respect is a must for the long haul.) You have much to learn, young Patajohn. 😉
Thing is, all human interaction is a game to a degree. And if you’re honest with yourself, you certainly have played some games with your husband or any other man in your life. You never have teased or been teased? Never had that oh-so-satisfying make-up sex after an argument when all that tension is released and you reconnect? Never given out mixed signals? Really?
You know why we call ourselves red-pill men? Because we train ourselves to see the world as it is. While we have ideals, we are under no illusions. We see the world for what it is and adapt to make the most of it. Adapt and thrive – it’s what men do, it’s what men have always done. That, or accept a miserable life of “if only ..”. We know what’s the better option.
I’m older than you.
Also, I’m in a relationship for about a decade. She’s the only person I have truly positive feelings for.
But that’s not sex, it’s romance and partnership. You have to understand that not everyone is like you – especially men might often feel different. There’s a wide variety in sexual preference among people, and I have to take your patronizing advice as little as a homosexual who is told that he is just sick.
I know what I want sexually better than you do, and I know it has little to do with friendship.
I do believe the “no” these men are referring to is the playful one when they are actually messing around. Or the one they say to delay sex a bit longer. There are different types of “no”s in different situations. Trust me. I know. I do that with my boyfriend all the time. I’m not “lying” to him. He likes it and it’s fun. I’m almost positive these guys would stop if a girl actually said “no”, like, forcefully. I understand where you are coming from, but I don’t think you are all on the same page here.
Correct. See my previous answer to Selina.
I did see it. It just sort of seems like you are saying that you hear when a woman says no but you think it’s a turn on and go for it anyway, if you were in Selina’s state of mind at the moment. I’m just trying to clear it up a bit is all.
Uh… Ok. I hope that your partner knows how you feel, with your age and wisdom and whatnot.
Of course she does. What do think a partnership is about?
And you don’t get to mock me for having told you my being older than you. It’s you who started to talk down to me because you assumed a surplus of wisdom you obviously don’t have.
This is it with the feminists coming here: They all think that they are “educated”, “wise” and “grown-up” whereas in fact they are just people who lived in a bubble and are now confronted with the part of the world they’ve had so carefully swept under the rug.
Then they conclude those must be the “children” or the “immature”, because if it would just be people who genuinely feel differently due to diversity in the makeup of human beings, it would force them to rethink their belief in the normative nature of their own.
It’s fine that your relationship works for you, no one picks on you for that. Now grow up and let others pursue what makes them happy too.
Nope. Sorry. I knew my husband as a friend for a decade (off and on) before we dated. Intentions were clear. No head games. No BS. No kidding. And I ended any prior relationships that involved anything of the sort, because that’s a dysfunctional and miserable way to live. Teasing/flirting is fine, when it’s mutual. No “make-up” sex… Disagreements are resolved with conversation, and I’d prefer that my husband understand me (and I him) than have sex to bandaid issues.
Maybe I’m misunderstanding. You’ve called me dumb, among other things… And I don’t get the vitriol, or why you’re complaining at all, if you’re in the happy, committed, mature relationship you claim.
The vitriol is for the woman who said “Vincent, you are not a man. You’re a boy. A dangerous, entitled, emotionally crippled boy.” to a guy who wrote an insightful, observant article about mating rituals and the problems they pose on the necessity of consent.
I’ve been shut up by women like you in the past with the exact same rhetoric, that’s why I hate you. Since this is the internet and you don’t have any social power over me here, I can speak my mind.
Wow, John. You hate me? Seriously? I’m replying, as a woman and as a rape victim, to someone who claims that reporting rape is a super fun attention-seeking cakewalk with no repercussions. It is not. This article is not insight. It’s misguided, dangerous, and wrong. I never reported my rape because of social repercussions and physical terror. And I don’t hate you in return. But I’m sorry for you. And anyone who knows you. Your lack of empathy is stunning.
I’m perfectly capable of empathy, even with you. I just lack sympathy for you – because I sympathize only with people I can relate to.
It’s easy to empathize. You’ve been victimized and so have a chip on your shoulder. You lash out against all that could be construed to undermine your victim mentality. That in the process you again victimize others is meaningless to you. I can empathize with all of that. I just don’t care.
Because you’re simply not on my side.
“a woman’s need for validation is at an all time high, and the repercussions for accusing men of rape are non-existent.”
This is so completely untrue that I don’t know where to begin.
SURE! I DIDN’T REPORT MY RAPE, BECAUSE I WAS TOO SHY TO BE SKYROCKETED TO FAME AND GLORY. Not because I was terrified, ashamed, and knew I’d be accused of “asking for it” because I was wearing a dress, or consented to other activities, or whatever. Or that I’d be subjected to scrutiny, questioned intrusively, or publicly shamed. That never happens.
Ok. I hear you. I’m stupid, I’m a victim, I have a chip on my shoulder, so I talk down to others… Did I miss anything? I’m sure I did. Being a stupid woman, and having a stupid vagina and all.
I survived a traumatic event. One that you’ll (I hope) never be able to understand, or be able to sympathize with. God forbid.
But this article diminishes rape victims. It calls them attention seeking.
I just hope that you’d treat your own partner with more sympathy, and less “I hate you.”
“But this article diminishes rape victims. It calls them attention seeking.”
No, it doesn’t. In fact it doesn’t talk about rape at all. It talks about the fake-resistance courting rituals in the human species.
The fact that you call it rape makes me think that your “traumatic event” was nothing more than that: A courting ritual.
Because if it wasn’t, wouldn’t it be in your interest to make it clear that it had nothing to do with what is talked about in this article? Wouldn’t you want to distance your experience as much as you can from the experience of Tuthmosis?
And yet you insist they are the same thing by using the same word for both: rape.
So either you are dumb in doing so, or you haven’t actually been raped, which makes you a liar.
Which is it?
What activities did you consent to?
It better not be letting him tie you to his bed – because I can somehow see how that would lead to people accusing you of having asked for it.
Fuck you for asking, and implying I was “asking for it.” My rape is REALLY not your business, and you clearly have boundary issues (among others), John. For educational purposes, I consented to kissing. Only kissing. I was 16. I clearly said NO to anything else. I wasn’t tied to anything – I was a KID – and I was RAPED, and it was legally & literally non-consensual. If you don’t see how the above article diminishes “no”, and downplays the stigma and torment women go through when they report a sexual assault… I can’t help you. I just hope you never have a partner/sister/child who experiences that type of abuse.
Please.
You have the audacity to come here and advertise your victim status, and then complain about others having boundary issues?
I don’t care about your experience or your suffering.
You try to conflate your being coerced with the sexual mating game described in the article. The only motivation for doing so would be that some douche-bag has ruined the joy of sex for you, and now you want to ruin it for everybody else. You do that by by redefining said mating games as rape. Is that it?
Really? REALLY? Because the word rape was specifically used 6 times. And I may have missed a few more. Tuthmosis was not mentioned. Once. Ever. Speaking about my rape publicly, for the first time in 18 years… Maybe I’m speaking out for younger women who are as afraid as I used to be. Or I’m a liar. You pick.
I mistakenly thought it was another Tuthmosis piece. And you’re right that the article is also about rape, but the initial story in it wasn’t.
So my argument still holds: Why are you not keen on emphasizing how *different* your rape experience is from what is described in the article? Surely you can’t want people to assume that you were like the girl who just faked resistance, right? Why do you call both rape?
No. Just no. When I said no, I meant no. It wasn’t a “mating game”, John. I was a kid. And a virgin. And I enjoy sex now, thankyouverymuch.
“We’re at a dangerous cultural crossroads, where a woman’s need for validation is at an all time high, and the repercussions for accusing men of rape are non-existent.”
How is this statement even remotely ok? Repercussions for women are dangerous, far-flung, and terrible. It’s not a “compliment” to be raped. Stop apologizing for it. It’s ugly.
“When I said no, I meant no.”
So what you say is that the girl’s “no” in the article’s story was different than yours? That you were raped, but she was not?
“Repercussions for women are dangerous, far-flung, and terrible.”
Really? What happens with these women? Has even one gone to prison for it in the last 10 years?
What happens is that they’re accused of “asking for it” by consenting to other activities, by choice of clothing, or simply by having a vagina. As you have accused me. I’m not kidding. I’m not being dramatic. This is a legitimate fear that every woman (pretty or not) lives with. Daily. Law enforcement & lawyers will nearly always take the utmost care to drag you through the mud in a rape case.
And I’m saying that no means no. Period. Unless it’s obviously an established joking no, it’s no. Why pursue a clear (or uncertain) no, when you can find a yes?
That’s it? They get accused by someone? As in: unfriendly words are spoken?
Convicted rapists go to prison for many years – clearly when you say that there are indeed repercussions for false accusations of that kind of crime, you mean repercussions that are at least remotely comparable to a prison sentence.
If not, then I really can’t see anything wrong with the bit you quoted.
I didn’t say anything about false accusations. That’s an entirely different discussion. I spoke about actual victims being dragged though the mud, mocked, and dehumanized. This == criminals being punished for committing crimes.
Of course you were. We’re talking about this quotation:
“We’re at a dangerous cultural crossroads, where a woman’s need for validation is at an all time high, and the repercussions for accusing men of rape are non-existent.”
And that you find it “isn’t remotely ok”, because, to quote you:
“Repercussions for women are dangerous, far-flung, and terrible.”
We’re talking about repercussions for *false* rape accusations.
So, are there any?
your split personality is showing, as you carry on a conversation with yourself
no one here cares about your feminist bullshit. fuck off
Hay, Vincent Vinturi. Your a cunt. Shut up and crawl back under that sexless rock you’ve been hiding under and let us normal, non-rapists get on with our healthy stable relationships.
^yet another mangina arrives at RoK to white knight for the feminists
nobody cares about your opinion here. fuck off
haha look at you fucking turds
I’d invite you to comment more, but your Disqus history shows you’re just a troll unable to engage in any real discussion.
….Probably an NCSU graduate…. real bright kids there… 🙁
haha i just farted in your mouth
This site seems to be full of insecure men lacking social skills, who feel that the world owes them somehing. There’s just so much obvious bitterness involved. And whenever somebody disagrees, it always gets hushed down through insults rather than actual facts or a real discussion.
A sad, sad sight.
Batman always gets it right. xoxo, Selina Kyle
Posted by Batman after the comments “haha look at you fucking turds” and “Hay, Vincent Vinturi. Your a cunt.” by the much more mature and insightful opposition.
These “insecure men lacking social skills” are made by stupid parents and stupid society. You are crying on a wrong grave.
just back from the brony convention?
there is no having a rational conversation with femicunts, or their mangina supporters like you. so we troll you right back instead, in the hope that you get so enraged your tiny minds explode
Given that the article is about the author being in bed with multiple women…. that doesn’t really seem to be an accurate characterization.
Wow Vincent Venturi was probably some nerd that girls didnt talk to, and now he watches chinese porn while drinking Mtn. Dew and writing books about how women are slutty as shit and how his dick is made of gold. Yup, you’re DEFINETLY an entrepeneur who lives in thailand.
Mountain Dew? That’s actually an original part of your insults.
The rest….. yawn… You do have some latent originality (and homosexuality) so try developing it for better material.
No never ever ever means yes you misogynistic little shitcunt. I am a man (an actual man, not the macho type of man you lot claim to be) and it makes me fucking sick to my stomach to be associated with you fuckers.
I hope you get your cocks chopped off. kill yourself.
You’re not associated with other men any more than with other your-hair-colored or other human beings in general.
And of course you hope men get their cocks chopped off, even if that may be your own. You feminists really need to think of something new.
i’m ten times the man you will ever be. I treat women like my equals instead of some sort of second class citizen.
drop dead.
What would you know about how much of a man I am or how I treat women?
you agree with the idea that “no sometimes means yes” and you’re commenting in support of some ass backwards MRA fucknugget that will probably never get laid.
I still don’t see the connection.
But then again I’m not a guilt-ridden delusional man-feminist.
neither am I. I’m just straight up fucking smarter than you. No always means no, and if you don’t take no for an answer, you’re a goddamn rapist and deserved to be punished as such.
Luckily, the patriarchy has given you the power to come to this forum and bitch at me like a little girl.
your panties are on too tight, they’re cutting off the blood flow to your head
you drop dead first.
fucking mangina dipshits are worse than the feminists
most men – if you are a man – become feminists because they feel guilt or are made to feel guilty about male violence. Now look at the content of your post. Its the most violence comment on this board …. even the evil neo-nazis who occasionally drop by for tea are more gentle and polite. The men on this board might say some worrying things sometimes, but I’m pretty sure they’re far less likely than you to hurt someone, male or female. That’s what self-hatred does for you.
Yes, even the Nazis are more polite. It’s fascinating.
fuck off.
I don’t feel guilty about shit. I support feminism because i get that men have most if not all of the power in the world. I’m simply using the power given to me by this patriarchal society for good instead of evil.
a mere ‘fuck off’. Well done, you really are toning down your male violence. You are clearly very easily trained….something which may explain why you are a male feminist to begin with.
As for you using the power given to you by this patriarchal society for good instead of evil…what exactly does Manginaman’s superhero costume look like?
Wake up, your rad fem analysis was out of date fifty years ago.
^I support feminism because
you’re a sackless mangina. man up already, if you can (doubtful)
Did you read his comment?
He’s not feeling guilty.
He uses the power the patriarchy has given him to fight for the good.
And that makes him ten times the man I am.
It seems he avenges the rape of women by raping men.
^ another mangina dipshit arrives at RoK
your panties too tight? skirt so tight it’s cutting off the blood to your brain?
Huh? Where did he discuss that?
He mentioned propositioning women in bed with him multiple times for sex.
Is he not permitted to do that? Do they not have 2 legs to leave the room if they are uncomfortable?
listen you bunch of shit-eating misogynist assholes, the time is coming when women everywhere are going to wear what they wear in south africa to stick spikes in your dick and men are going to stand up for their sisters and kick your pathetic asses for disrespecting women. there are many good men out there and they don’t need this level of bullshit from people like you.
Be honest you didn’t read the article did you?
Is that a no? Or are you going to say no, when in fact you really mean yes?
It isn’t about the article anymore. It’s about the people in the comments defending rape.
nobody’s defending rape, this entire thread is men and women discussing the boundaries of sex, including what does or does not constitute consent. Its a delicate issue because lives may be affected by the outcome of the debate on here. Trying to stop the debate, control it so only one gender gets to decide what rape, consent, etc doesn’t make women safer because a two-sided debate reality checks that debate and that is what has been missing ever since feminism decided truth was a one party state
Not one person in the comments section has defended rape, maybe your definition of rape. Let me guess you are one of these idiots that thinks women can’t consent if they consume any amount of alcohol, which in fact means the majority of people that hook up in bars, Christmas parties, colleges, house parties, etc. are rapists. Is there anyway we can expand the definition further? I know lets now add regret and public shame to the mix like that idiot that got photographed outside in ohio.
No actually I am not like that. At all. There are actually men that were commenting on here last night talking about how rape isn’t really that bad and men shouldn’t have to spend time in jail for it and how we are just whining over it. Thank you.
Same to you what I just told him. Also consent is consent. There is no question about that. It is yes or no. Though I believe this article is talking about when there are two people playing with each other and she’s saying no to turn him on. But that’s not how men last night were taking it.
I haven’t seem one of these comments and I have posted since the article was submitted. So I know that based on your comment you could not possibly be serious about discussing the topic. How many of the 500+ comments are promoting rape the way you are suggesting.
Not to mention even if you did find one of these comments, that is not the message of the article. I am totally done arguing with you guys. You come here with your preconceived ideas and that is it. In fact I don’t see one thing even remotely offensive about this article.
I was part of one of the discussions about that, and you’d know about my actual views and knowledge on the subject if you were actually paying attention to what was going on in the comments to the extent you are saying you are. I don’t care about the article I am filled with fear because of some of the comments I am seeing and responses I’m getting and how quick people are to insult me and accuse me of things just because I am a woman who is against rape. Oh, so sorry.
No go ahead paste the comments as a reply to this comment. Why don’t you put 10 up so you can at least claim 2% of the commenters are supporting rape?
I didn’t think so.
And if you are filled with fear from commenters in a website, you need to get a hold of yourself.
I was raped and mutilated two years ago. There are people on here saying, it’s not that. I will copy and paste a specific one.
“Personally, I simply can’t see why rape should be as bad a specter as social ostracism and years of imprisonment.” He also compared it to school bullying and said because he was bullied he understands how rape feels.
He did come around to a better understanding after talking to him about it, but that is a perfect example of exactly what I’m talking about. You go through what I went through and see if you appreciate being told “it’s not that bad” and “get a hold of yourself”. This isn’t about being a girl or a guy. You’re just an asshole who is jumping straight to conclusions because you don’t like feminists. Get a hold of YOURself. I have been treating everyone I talked to on here today with respect and they treated me with the same – grown-up conversations where we both met at an agreement and came to understand each other. You are the first person to immediately treat me like shit over your own thoughts and beliefs on what a feminist is. Thing is rape is a reality and this can hit some people really hard who have to live through life feeling worthless and used and disgusting because some asshole didn’t care if they said no. So please, excuse some people if they may feel a bit sensitive on this subject.
There are a lot of posts on this board, so I’m not sure what those men were saying – but this is a heavily patronised internet board, there isn’t a single constituency, and unlike most of the feminist sites I’ve been too there are a lot of differences of opinion here as well, despite the general theme’s being discussed. As for consent being consent, that’s a slogan. Maybe we need no means no, or consent is consent as a rubric to follow in everyday life, but there is not a subject under sun that does not have such rules of thumb which as soon as you examine them closely, begin to seem more complex than first appeared. The reason for that complexity, and the reason why no means no, consent is consent is only ever going to be a rule of thumb is because relations between the sexes, and on account of that, sex between members of the opposite sex is in constant evolution, is being constantly negotiated. The only moral requirement here is to exercise due diligence with regard to ones responsibilities as a human being towards other human beings. In the first instance that means debating the issues involved. Like most others here (I hope all) I am appalled by what you went through, but there is one thing you can be absolutely sure of: the man who did that to you was not on a comments forum discussing whether it was or was not OK to do what he did.
Feminists really need to let go a little. Men discussing the issues that are important to both men and women, is a safer situation for women than men trying and failing to swallow truths they don’t believe in, and which are only truths because they are constantly reiterated ad nauseum.
So you talked to one guy on here, whose opinion is not shared by the vast majority of commenters here, nor the author. Is that what this is about?
Sorry you had such a terrible conversation, do you feel better now? No go away we want to have a convo about game, not rape.
Ok you and I seem to be talking about two different things. You have a point you’d like to make but it has nothing to do with me. All I am upset about is the men who think actual rape is ok. That is all. I have been reading all the comments. I know they are all different. I am not concerned about that. People NEED to discuss more. Also don’t generalize feminists. Because feminists aren’t all those evil girls that you think about. they took our name and ran with it. Real feminists are just terrified by all the people who are telling us to get over it because when they do that, we know our issues don’t matter to anyone else, yet those issues cost us our lives.
I am not concerned about those discussing on certain lines of consent because everyone is seeing it from a different perspective. I am however concerned about those saying that rape isn’t that bad and men shouldn’t have to go to jail for it. Seeing people take that position hurts. A lot. Whether they are rapists themselves or not. Seeing people belittle what happened to me, like it is normal, hurts.
No, he is just the only one I actually talked to. And it was a good conversation because we came to understand each other and learned new things. There were multiple men saying it last night and sharing it on tumblr talking about the same thing.
Again, you’re just being an asshole, jumping to conclusions. You have been called out and now you have too much pride to give up so instead of making a real, logical argument, you are throwing insults at me, trying to belittle what I have been through. The fact that people like you are acting like it is normal and are just ignoring it and calling it “game” when you pressure a woman into fucking you, is what is causing it to happen because no one is doing a fucking thing about it.
I am glad we can agree that people need to discuss more, even if that is the only point at which you think our concerns touch. You say “all I am upset about is the men who think actual rape is OK”. As others have pointed out no men have actually defended rape per se, although there has been sometimes more, sometimes less sophisticated discussion about what rape is and how consent works – most of which is no more offensive or hard-core than you would get in an ordinary newspaper comment board. The guy who seemed to minimise rape was tactless but he was trying to compare two evils one of which was bullying – and how many times has bullying taken lives? He also empathise with you and expressed horror at your trauma when you described an actual harrowing experience, something which kind of demonstrates the point I am making that, exploring the boundaries of sensitive real world issues like rape and consent may involve insensitive speech (precisely because it is exploratory) but that changes to sympathy and even solidarity (yes, I know you will take issue with my using that word) when it actually comes to violence against women. For most of the apparent misogynists who say nasty things about women the actual reality (and often even the thought) of violence against women makes them physically sick. For every predator who is male (and there many female predators too) there are many hundreds whose instinct is to protect women even against their own instincts. Unfortunately it is that instinct which feminism so often seems to exploit while working strangely to make it extinct.
You say I generalise about feminists – and that the bad feminists have stolen feminism. Well that may be so, but I’ve encountered very few feminists who don’t share the basic assumption in some form or other that gender is a class system, whereby the relations of men to women is one of systematic oppression mediated by violence, which broadly speaking is the deductive i.e. largely non empirically derived basis of the feminist perspective about rape. I am not suggesting that rape isn’t a blight on the world, or that empirical evidence is lacking (the Congo, Juarez etc make me sick to the stomach) but that the theory (of gendered violence) seeks constantly to renew itself, and to seek out the resources to do that. That is why it is so easy for feminism to extrapolate from physically violent rape to the greyest areas of dubious consent.
Actually, I’ve been called dumb, and a liar, and more, for mentioning my rape here…
The liar I have to take back (you meant me, right?), because that was based on the assumption that this was the article by runsonmagic. For the same reason, I also have to take one of the dumbs I called you back. The remaining one was unrelated to your rape story.
I’m very sorry that’s the case, but while it may be hurtful to be called a liar, alleging that someone is lying is only a means (fair or foul) of undermining an argument, it is not in itself any kind of direct support of rape. If anything it implies that were your claim demonstrated (I am not questioning it) then the doubter would have to acknowledge the criminality of the act in question. Obviously the debate here is also about how consent works and what does or does not constitute rape. That may be uncomfortable for those who have experienced rape but it should not be seen as threatening in itself. It is engaging with the issue
poor john has a good heart…and tourettes lol
Neither actually. I’m just rigorous.
good for you
Are you really saying that only men should make decisions for both genders? Because that’s what I got from that last paragraph of yours, and if that’s what you meant then I am seriously worried. If I’m wrong, please rephrase. There is no such thing as equality in which only one group of people discussing issues.
no, of course not. You know full well I’m not saying that. I am referring to men discussing issues important to both men and women on this particular board. That’s because its board for men, which unlike feminist sites, is not censored hence the plenitude of lovely fragrant ladies commenting. Was that really the best you could do?
I’m not defending rape, but thanks for making up some bullshit to try to support your idiocy
I’m just fed up with feminists who come to a men’s Blog to tell the men what to do and how to do it, as if we care
fuck off already. back to your vibrator and cats
typical female logic: i’ll get a man to kick your ass, because I don’t like what you said
respect is earned, not given, and modern women get all the respect they deserve based on the way they behave: zero, and you just proved my point
maybe if you were less of a dickhead women would want to have sex with you
The story is about how he defeated her resistance and had sex. Now how dumb do you feel?
Yeah, there was resistance because he’s a dickhead.
… a “dickhead” who had sex with a woman…. which is the opposite of what “asd” said
Do men really think that saying “no I won’t give you my phone number” and “no I don’t want to have sex with (because if I don’t want it HURTS)” are the same simple thing? This is the most disguting thing I’ve ever seen in my life…
your picture ranks right up there on the disgusting things scale
Yes. My pic is also very important to this “discussion”. Do you have something to say? Or were you just passing by to look at my picture?
no but jerking off to it…….. naaah my sperm too hot for that face! hhehahahfhahhae
They are the same thing to the extent that a woman has 2 legs and can walk away at any time she wishes from either situation.
You don’t look like a quadriplegic, so you also have the ability to leave any uncomfortable situation.
I mean… you mentioned you get “no” a lot, in the very beginning of this article. Do you think maybe people refuse once they learn what you do on the internet?
Also, ~jeez wimmin, u can’t have “no means no” and “no means yes”, get ur shit strate lol~ sounds really silly when you remember that there isn’t a fucking hive mind at play lmao
Yes, of course, any information published on the Internet must be targeted at a specific individual. No one may publish an article that is general advice to more than one person.
It’s interesting to see this author go on about his first world (read zero world) problems, while rape remains a real crime in the real world. I think it’s safe to say that some people write like this for the attention. They can really churn out ignorance and a feigned lack of insight.
I didn’t know cavemen could type! Facinating!
Your mouth is weird, and that’s not fascinating at all.
Your point???????????
That’s a MAN, baby!!
^yet another weird looking femicunt arrives at RoK, Welcome,
now fuck off
Are you able to point to a specific sentence that is “caveman”-ish?
Are do you just like expressing outrage whenever possible?
I actually agree with what he’s saying. If you didnt want to hangout with someone, you come up with other plans. If you didnt want to eat something, you shut your mouth and/or push it away from you. If you don’t want to have sex…LEAVE THE SITUATION. Actions speak louder than words, and if your actions are saying “fuck me” but your words are saying “no” don’t scream rape afterwards. You’re leaving the actual message open to interpretation and shooting yourself in the foot.
Are you implying that speaking is not an action? Isn’t walking away from the situation still a way of saying no? Speaking is one of many ways that humans communicate their thoughts, emotions, feelings. According to this article, shoving females past their distinguished nos into forced sex is proving masculinity and dominance. When a woman is pushed to have sex against her consent by a person who is acting dominant, couldn’t that woman be scared? Scared to walk away, to fight, to say no or to say yes? Couldn’t this author just come back and say that fighting and leaving are just a women’s playful way of saying yes? Your point is definitely accurate, yes, a woman should definitely walk away if she doesn’t want to have sex, but saying no is virtually the same thing as walking away, or should be treated as the same signal that no, she does not want to have sex.
No, it’s not quite the same thing. When someone really means to say no, their words as well as their actions and body language are in agreement. This can’t be helped, and body language experts will tell you that if spoken words and body language disagree, the truth is being told by the body language since it is mostly unconscious and much harder to mask, especially in emotionally charged situations. You can look it up. It’s the same science used by interrogators to guess when someone is probably lying, or when a certain behaviour is not congruent with a situation (not how a normal person would behave in a particular setting if they were sincere).
No one is advocating going against the wishes of someone who truly and clearly means ‘no’.
I hope guys reading this article don’t get so wrapped up in nodding along and saying “fuck yeah!” that they don’t miss the killer last paragraph in which the author suggest that in order to have this “technique” work they move to a country like Thailand where white men can get away with rape. Because even the author acknowledges what he’s encouraging is rape.
Yo, I actually never noticed that. Kudos to you! (I’m being serious by the way; more proof that none of these guys know what they’re talking about. Cheers.)
I assume you include your mother or sister when you refer to all women. Cuz nothing spells fun like knowing your mother said YES to being raped. Please imagine her when you think of women being violated by you or other men. Or maybe you hate her or have mommy issues. Regardless. Please stop what you are doing. Just. Stop. Now.
Oh, shut the fuck up. Jesus christ. Your juvenile shaming doesn’t work here.
If my “mother or sister” were in bed with a man proposing sex multiple times — and they were uncomfortable with it — they are smart enough to use their 2 legs to leave the room.
“plowing through a woman’s objections with bemused persistence isn’t for newcomers to the game” – Because stripping a woman of her rights, her confidence, her identity, her self-respect, her worth, etc. is obviously just a game. It’s a game of hide and seek, right? Maybe the ‘yes’ is buried deep inside of her vagina; better go see if it’s there? Maybe it’s hiding down the back of her throat? Or perhaps it’s under her skin? Better tear her apart and see if the ‘yes’ you seem to think is disguised under all those ‘no’s’ really exists. “Masculine Men” don’t rape women to fill their sexual needs. They’ve mistaken that identity with that of the insecure, degenerate men who don’t have the social skills or compassion to find meaningful, consensual relationships with women who want to say YES. Check yourself, asshole. NO MEANS NO.
^another boring femicunt arrives at RoK
Huh? He’s describing propositioning a woman in bed multiple times for sex. You seem to be assuming a woman doesn’t have 2 legs to leave the room
I guess women should never play with “NO”. No means no. But _if_ some women play with the word, I guess it is easy to see when they are for real? If your girlfriend cries, begs you to stop, fights you, then STOP. Most women are very unhappy when they cry, you know.
I don’t like it much, after meeting a new guy, when I say I am NOT going to have sex with you untill we know better.. then he says yes yes, but some really put on a lot of pressure, they just don’t take it seriously.
Ummm… you appear to be describing an actual rape in -progress.
If a woman is in the midst of being a victim of any violent crime (murder, assault, rape, kidnapping), experts usually say she should:
* call 9-1-1, if possible
* alert the neighbors by yelling “fire”
* use her nails, and anything sharp or heavy nearby to harm her attacker
* attack the assailant’s vital organs, including pressure points, groin, kidneys, etc.
SO, TO SUM IT UP VINCENT:
THANKS FOR ADMITTING YOU’RE A SERIAL RAPIST.
YOU SHOULD BE IN PRISON.
^another boring femicunt arrives at RoK
you should go back to your vibrator and your cats
TO SUM IT UP:
Propose sex multiple times while in bed?
RAPIST !!111!!!!
This makes my blood boil. This culture is disgusting. God help a man who
EVER EVER tried that shit on me. He sure as hell better hope I don’t
have my gun yet, or that fucker is getting shot. Yes, some girls are
stupid manipulative bitches that tease and absolutely screw with men. Do
they EVER deserve rape? ABSOLUTELY EFFIN NO. Nor does a man ever
deserve it. Forced sexual acts on anybody is gross and despicable. This whole discussion is messed up. Tell me men. What would you do to a man that did this shit to your daughter? If you say you wouldn’t care, let me kick you in your baby making parts so that you can never ever reproduce and condemn your own flesh and blood to a shit fate like Rape.
It’s axiomatic that this nutjob has short hair.
^another boring femicunt arrives at RoK
yawn
ReadThis100%, sarah, kjohnson, brittany, lina, are you all the same person, or am I hallucinating your names changing?
Well. I am Lina, I’m not American, and this is my first day here. I got a little bit upset by this article and this is why I have been posting.
I watched the screen as readthis100% became Kjohnson (about 5 posts), & then suddenly those posts had a host of different names. I’ll assume it was a graphical error.
look I really don’t care, its the internet do what you like
I don’t know these KJohnson person, it must have been an error. I am from Europe, anyway. This article made me wonder – I am about to meet a man in next week. He invited me over and said he has a spare bedroom, so there is “no pressure”. After reading this article I have been worried – what if he wants to have sex, and it’s only 2. time we meet. I like to take things slow.
he sounds like a wrong un. Call the police proactively.
BTW if you ever leave Europe make sure you come to Fantasy Island…..its great you’d love it
Haha. 😉 I have no intention to call police.. anyway, he’s a decent person, I am sure of this. Maybe I’m just a little bit paranoid. Anyway I’m going to stop worrying about this sex/no sex -issue. I have been honest when saying I like to take things slow, I guess it is enough. –Where is this Fantasy Island? I’ve been to America, once! I saw NYC and Washington DC. It was really great. American people are very polite, especially men. And it was astonishing how CHEAP is food in USA!! My God. And there was a lot of it! I went to a supermarket, and dear me, they had like million different ice creams! And I may tell you, I went to some restaurants, meals were a lot bigger than in my country! Standard of living is just something totally different.
Directions to Fantasy Island. Put phone on. Start up Sat Nav app. Check current location. Good night
Hahah, no, I’m not any of the other users.
How dare you, you ignorant asshole. You have no right to approach the subject of rape in any way unless you yourself have been raped. Your casual attitude to one of the most demeaning and uncomfortable situations in any victim’s life is disturbing. The fact that there are others who agree with you is the reason I have no faith in humanity. What you are saying is that the man who forced me to sit on his face and fuck him against my will is right because I ACTUALLY wanted it?! Why would I ever want a man to put his hands on me when I have said no? No means no, no matter what. Those women you think were grateful will carry their guilt with them every day. Stupid fucks like you are why rapists still walk free. Women who have been raped don’t report them because usually they feel as though it was THEIR fault. I should have done something more, I should have tried to fight back, I should have said no louder. These are thoughts I have had every day, and it’s people like you and our fucked up society who have put those thoughts in our head. Thank you for raping innocent women and causing more rapes with this post. Karma comes back around you know, and I can’t wait for yours to come back.
tl:dr > it’s all about meeeeee, whiiiiiiine
I’m fully sensitive to the fact that I am totally insensitive
Perhaps it would be more beneficial to write about communication BEFORE sex. That way lives aren’t ruined because of some fucked up misunderstanding. Because the the moment consent is not there (believe it or not, even if you have started engaging in sex with consent, if he or she says no half way through; IT iS STILL RAPE and punishable to the full extent of the law usually with no statute of limitation.) instead of talking about bullshit, if you’re going to have sex talk about it, treat every no as nonconsent. Don’t assume it playful, or flirting because if someone is violated, there is NO WAY to take it back. And there is no telling if that person will come back years later with a couple of cops, a court order, or a livid loved one ready to destroy every shred of happiness in your life. Think and for gods sake, TALK before you act.
^mangina, virgin
I stand by my convictions, I am a rape victim, and I will not stand for more lives to be destroyed because someone came to this site and figured they were somehow an expert on body language a took “No, stop what you are doing. I do not want this,” as “Keep going.”
Yes, that is a good idea. You should go write an article on a website targeted at young woman about “communication BEFORE sex”.
Make sure you teach them not to delegitimize the word “no” by using it moments before they demand sex or jump on the guy for sex.
You assume I speak only for women here, yet men are also raped. What about men and women accused of rape years later, valid or not, are their lives not worth a fucking conversation? What about those still unable to look at themselves in the eye because of rape? Because someone heard no and did it anyway? Fuck your delegitimization of the word no, because your grasping at straws. These are human beings not garbage… Try to keep it that way.
If the guy feels jumped on for sex, and said no, and if the girl didn’t stop that is rape. Consent is mutual, never one sided.
Men who have yes/no issues are men who ask for sex. I dont ask for shit
(nor do I take anything). Women are not doing me a favor by screwing
me. I am doing them a favor by putting in work for their benefit. They
can chase me and “ask”
I read this article hoping it was a joke, but quickly realized the author is under the belief that he is a man of the world, ready to seduce the panties off of beautiful women everywhere. Ick. While he has a point that there are some serious problems in the way allegations of rape or sexual assault are handled, this goes for all genders and he chose a very tasteless way to deliver his thoughts. Women are not your playthings, men. Or, am I addressing boys who still like to peek at their dads’ Playboy magazines? Show respect to earn respect and if something seems off about a chick, keep your dick in your pants. (That’s generally why we tell you no. That, or we discover how small it is and decide it isn’t worth the effort.)
Respect, once earned, is most often reciprocated. None of you broads “deserve” respect off the bat.
respect is earned, not given, and modern women have done zero to earn any respect, which is why they get none
This article is stupid. The whole thing is based on the writer’a personal experience which is going to be completely different than that of the rest of the ugly/average/illiterate male population. He is obviously a good looking guy who is smart enough to write an attention grabbing article. Is it any surprise that the women he is pursuing want to sleep with him? After pretending they aren’t that easy (by saying “no”)… Rejecting him at first makes them feel better about themselves. And then, after a few more drinks and a few more aggressive demands to go home with him, they feel he’s worked hard enough and give in to their urges to sleep with him. So yes, if you’re a handsome horny perv that wants to get laid, you can probably relate and will agree with this article. Women will not agree with this article because when we say “no” and mean “yes” it is BLATANTLY obviously that we mean “no, not right now… But yes if you try a little harder or get me drunk enough to lower my standards”. Women also won’t agree because there are ugly douchebags that we say NO to and actually mean it. Period. Get over it
tl:dr > ugly douchebag?
“Women also won’t agree because there are ugly douchebags that we say NO to and actually mean it” – yeah, and I think they will normally recognise that those NOs really are absolute. If No means No only applied to those contexts then there would be no debate at all hopefully
“Do you see any potential for abuse with this cocktail?”
I would pose the same question in regards to this article.
Imagine if someone forcefully injected cocaine into your bloodstream, despite your resistance. You don’t do cocaine, but you don’t judge people who do it recreationally, which is why you agreed to hang out with this person in the first place. Now, after you’ve been injected with the drug, your body feels a pleasurable high, which is undeniably enjoyable. Does this mean that your cracked-out friend was doing you a favour by drugging you against your will and potentially leaving you with life-long problems? Should you be grateful they didn’t listen to your objections, since they knew you’d enjoy it? Or would you maybe think it was a fucked up thing to do to another human being?
There are plenty of girls out there who will say yes. Why do you even bother with the ones that say no if they frustrate you so?
tl:dr > stop using drugs?
Quite a good argument but the weakness is that force is illegitimate from the outset – it’s a non-issue except to the extent that negotiating consent in the way described can be described as actually being a question of force, of an absence of consent and therefore of rape. If the point of negotiating consent is simply to avoid a rape accusation then that’s not encouraging, but surely it should actually be about obtaining genuine consent, despite the fact that genuine consent was not immediately forthcoming.
You are right though that there is sometimes a sense in these articles that the ‘target’ really wants sex but she just doesn’t know it. Once her ‘resistance’ is overcome then she will enjoy the sex (as in the high in your analogy) and then be grateful that she didn’t insist on her no’s being respected. That’s a perfectly legitimate argument insofar as it requires the woman not to know (consciously) what she really wants. The issue here though is not, or should not be about women being a mystery unto themselves that only men know the solution to; rather it is bout negotiating the complexities of ‘resistance’ which many women, even feminist women, may actually expect and require as part of the mating ritual. Sex has always been about persuasion. Rape on the hand has never been about persuasion. That is why it is called rape.
“No, means no” is a rule of thumb for men to respect women’s right to deny consent. It is not however a very true or adequate description of how ‘courtship’ can take place – if you need proof of that just look at how some universities have tried to introduce written consent forms to sign – when you take no means no as absolute standard that’s where it leads to.
You understand how subjective this entire article is right? That what one man may see as a “yes” body language is extremely different from the next. If a woman doesn’t say anything, that doesn’t mean yes. If you think she’s twirling her hair or eyeing you or whatever you may conceive as body language saying she wants you, that still doesn’t mean yes. Do you guys on here really think that you are just so attractive and your dominance just makes a woman need you sexually? Do you truly believe that women were put on this earth soley for you to have sex for them? Did you know that women actually have cognitive functions and can make rational decisions with out you? I know that none of this will change your minds, you’ll just label me a bitch or a feminazi or whatever you guys say when a woman actually stands up to you. But, can you just back track and try to make a logical, sound argument for this subject? Any time you try to say a woman is saying yes when she hasn’t verbally said yes, you are guessing. It’s is a guess. You may think you are an expert, you may think you are powerful and dominating, and that she must want you, but you literally don’t know unless you ask. If you are that confident in thinking she will say yes, then ask, and if she says no that’s it. There is no fucking guide on how to manipulate what she’s doing so you can see what you want to see through your rape goggles. All I have to say, is what if this was your daughter, your mother, sister, whatever. What if a man took advantage of what he said her “signs” were. Oh your sister was wearing a mini skirt? Psh asking for it and he raped her. Would you be souless enough to actually blame her? It’s time to take some responsibility and realize that you aren’t animals. Don’t bring yourselves down to the barbaric level of raping a women because you simply can’t control yourself. Because that isn’t a strong powerful individual, that’s just being a coward.
tl:dr > rape culture bullshit comment
yawn
You understand this comment proves all of these “rape culture bullshit comments” right? The fact that you won’t even acknowledge it, proves that it exists. If you try to avoid quantum physics enough will it just go away too? You would all feel very different if rape was a predominately male issue. It’s easy to have opinions on things like this when you’ve never experienced it. I can guarantee you that there is no male on this site who has been raped that genuinely follows and believes in this stuff.
there is no such thing as “rape culture” it is bullshit made up by femicunts. Rapists are sick criminals, always have been.
no normal man I know ever talks about rape, or encourages rape, ever, never heard it in my whole life in any conversation
“rape culture” only exists inside the diseased minds of feminists who imagine it exists all around them, or maybe in India where it seems to happen often
This is some fucking ass-backwards shit. I can’t even think of what to say because this is so fucking stupid. I’m call chicks “bitches” and shit but this just crosses a line that shouldn’t get crossed.
So, you kinda hate women but don’t mind being manipulated by them?
There’s a connection here that seems to be a bit cloudy to me…
Have y’all ever actually LIKED a girl though? Cause I mean sure, it’s annoying as shit when girls say no just to say it, and yeah, it definitely happens more often than girls would like to admit, but some of the things said in these arguments are straight up hateful. I’m not saying girls don’t do some fucked up shit, but there are a few who don’t.
See the article on NAWALT, Roxy.
But all I’m saying is, do you actually like girls? Men hating women who they are biologically programmed to mate with for life is pretty contradictory, unless there’s some homosexual fun going on in the back of your mind.
Of course, sweetie.
This article is about how to make sweet love to a woman.
Many years of dealing with women caused me to lose all respect for your gender. Now, I don’t give a fuck what you think, or what you say, about anything.
Wah wah wah cry me a river….a mummy’s boy that couldn’t get any mummy love so now you hate on all women. Fuck off fucktard.
I don’t care what you say either, but if you have sex with a woman without her consent you are a rapist. Doesn’t matter what you cry, how you justify it no means no.
^yet another stunned femicunt response
that is not what the article is saying, but obviously you are too fucking stupid to read it and comprehend what it says, you only react to what you think it means (to you)
Booooring! Don’t you have any creativity, feminist?
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So, if a man “LIKED” a woman, he’s not permitted to propose sex multiple time while in bed?
Do you even read what you type?
Beyond how incredibly stupid you are nothing you wrote impressed me, nor did it even smack of anything but leading stupid men into rape trials and jail time. If one of your mindless sheep came at my daughter like this he’d be dead before he hit the driveway, and it would be her that beat the hell out of him. I’d come kill what little was left. Maybe before you hand out this barbaric advice you should remind your would be rapists that women carry guns and mace. I hope this kind of thing ends up putting you on govt watch lists…. people like you should be,, breeding predators in an already violent world. When you end up in jail for this shit I hope the inmates have read your books so when YOU say no… they know you’re just coy and really saying yes.
Tits or GTFO
^tl:dr > crazy bitch is armed and dangerous. call the police
Wow! 🙂 I must say I admire the spirit of American women. And to think that many of them do carry guns. I understand that gun laws are different in NY and say, Arizona, but I guess there are many states where you can quite easily buy one. I’ve been to US and I saw how confident all the ladies were. This is something to admire.
So your daughter lacks 2 legs or the ability to leave a bed/room if she’s uncomfortable with a man proposing sex multiple times in bed….. hmmm….
You should think about taking your daughter to physical therapy — or psychotherapy, so she can learn to use free will.
I hope this article is a joke, otherwise we have one sick, pro-rape, mysoginistic culture on our hands, where women are primarily valued by how much they will put out to men who decide they want them. Did it occur to the writer that women might not even give a shit that he wants to get laid?
“Women want to monopolize power in the sexual marketplace so that they
can control access to sex and manipulate this most primal, most
productive of urges to their benefit.”
No, women want the right to have control over their own bodies. Because the author has a messed up sense of entitlement to womens’ bodies, he thinks that women are using the ‘power’ of saying no to him to ‘manipulate’ men. Nope, women just have absolute right over what happens to their bodies, and men just have to deal with that. Men have no pre-approved right to sleep with women because women exist and men get horny. How could ANYTHING be wrong with that a woman having control over her own body? If men don’t like it, they can go have a wank.
Go do something productive with your time instead of writing articles about how to legally rape women. Bizarre pasttime.
tl:dr > another long boring femicunt rant
Vincent you’re a dickhead & a fuckwit. Here’s a thought – hook up with Amy Glass on over no the [no] Thought [my brain is dead] Catalogue. You guys could really have a beautiful life together.
You claim that consent is not clearcut, that the lines are blurred. Grow the fuck up. Such views prove you are a pathetic snotty tiny dick little tosser who is fluent in anything BUT women. But I’ll be kind & give you a free tip: stop listening to the fucking tosser Robin I’m gonna tear your ass in two Thicke & start listening to the woman you want to shag. If she is saying no but you think it is because she is being coy then ask her. Yeh, I know getting clarification is wow, just so out there, but since you’ve managed to string together a few hundred words of complete bullshit I am certain you have it in you to be a man, be upfront & communicate. Communication goes both ways & yes some women are not always sure what it is they want or that forthcoming in saying what it is they want, but there is never any excuse to go ahead anyway & doing so is rape – date rape, but still rape.
Yes is not a grey area, if you have to ask then you know you answer.
One thing is for certain though, you claim to know a lot about seduction, but you clearly know sweet fuck all about intimacy.
Morons like you are a disgrace. Shame on you. If you have an IQ above mental retardation then prove it, redact your post & never ever ever imply that consent is a grey area.
tl:dr – some sort of long boring femicunt whine
Which is code for not reading cos you can’t read cos your eyes keep bleeding from all the wanking you have to do since you can’t get laid….aye fucktard?
Not only do you have anger issues, you could stand a few English lessons.
She sounds Scottish. I like Scottish lasses.
I read the comment, but what about it (or yours) actually would make it worthy of a reasoned response??
When you use phrases like “you’re a dickhead & a fuckwit”, “Morons like you are a disgrace. “, “Shame on you. If you have an IQ above mental retardation” you get the response you fully deserve.
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Ummm, that’s what this article is about — propositioning women multiple times in bed for sex.
Don’t women have 2 legs to leave the room if they’re uncomfortable?
Or do you think we need to treat them like 10 years olds who lack that ability?
Unless you’re a complete idiot, or else a sick sadist who doesn’t care one way or the other, it’s pretty obvious when a woman’s “no” actually means “no” and when her “no” is only meant to tease. If you’re in the wrong I have no doubt that you’ll be fully aware of it.
Lots of man-hating feminists on this comment board the last few days.
What happened ladies? Batteries in the vibrators died and its too cold to go to the store and get some fresh ones?
By their comments looks like this is the closest they get to interacting with men.
Sad.
Naw man, the bitches are just mad that they’re being treated like their sole purpose is to satisfy us. They get plenty of action, they’re just pissed at all the hate.
Hate?
Where’d you get that, smart guy?
This article is about how to make love to a woman.
Just men who are pro-rape. Thank god. The ones who don’t have to rape women to get laid don’t read this site; the have normal healthy relationships with women.
Haha, feminist like ‘wrinkle’ prefer men who like pegging. She’s here to express her anger at dudes who aren’t into that 🙂
No mean NO, if a women does not want to have sex with you, leave her alone. let her initiate it. This is really demeaning to women and I completely disagree with this article it is totally sexist. This sounds like rape to me, especially if a women is intoxicated that is NOT ok. Rape must be taken seriously, there is no justification for it.
So, in all the university human sexuality lab research, Cosmo sex surveys, OKcupid questions filled out by many thousands women, etc. — in which women say they want men to initiate sex — all of those women were lying. Right?
By your practice, we should just assume women are lying about any preference they express, right, moron?
I honestly can’t fucking read this. I’ve skimmed through it, and it’s the most disgusting thing I’ve ever seen. Are you really ignorant enough to defend a man when he rapes a woman? You do realize that you have to be pretty fucking messed up to do that? I honestly worry for any woman who has to be around your sorry ass. You are honestly the foulest thing to have ever graced the Earth. Also, any douche bag who reads this and believes this… you are probably going to end up raping a girl and getting your ass thrown in jail. Have fun.
“Are you really ignorant enough to defend a man when he rapes a woman?” No, he isn’t.
“I honestly can’t fucking read this.” And that’s your problem. Learn how to read more than a headline.
She dont have patience to read so much!
The whole mentality behind this article contributes to rape culture. By the way , your idea that a woman will feel more desirable after someone rapes her is simply fucked up. Yeaaaahhh it must be a real fucking boost to the ego to have someone entirely disregard the fact you dont wanna fucking do it.
rape culture is bullshit invented by lying femicunts like you
no man I know ever mentions rape in any conversation I have ever had, there is no such thing as this “culture” you talk about, except inside your diseased mind, or maybe in India, where it seems to happen often
Wow this is genuinely scary…is this website pro-rape or what? My advice is to only hook up with women you are 100% certain have consented to sex with you, please.
Learn to read, moron.
This article is not about how to rape.
So apparantly you delete all coments you don’t like?
How cute!
no comments get deleted here, unlike all the stooopid femicunt Blogs, unless maybe the server here crashes under the weight of all the femitards
you’re probably just too stoooopid to post it properly
Personal as a gay guy I have always found female/male relationships confusing. A vast majority of my friends are girls and they almost all love having sex…. yet if a guy asks to hook up they will never just say yes.
They say no. The guy is persistent. They say no again. Essentially this goes on for a little while. Then she finally says yes, having wanted it all along.
The problem is women ALWAYS say no and resist to begin with because they are afraid of looking like whores but they really don’t mean no. This becomes a problem because it’s hard to tell when they actually mean no and when its a “No, I don’t want to look like a whore no”.
It’s more than that. It’s an instinct that serves the purpose of weeding out the shy, because being able to allow themselves some audacity is an indicator of success.
Admittedly, yes, it seems to be quite difficult to walk the line between “she wants it” and “she doesn’t want it”. I actually had to think a bit about it to find something that might help to see the difference:
Is she fighting you off physically (if she is able to, so neither handicapped nor dead drunk)? Then she doesn’t want you close, **unless** she is smiling while fighting and taking care not to hurt you. Then it’s fun. If she isn’t smiling, but always turning her head away and trying to crush your nuts, leave her be. She doesn’t want you.
If she’s dead drunk or handicapped or very young, she might not be able to fight you, or she might be too afraid. Go visit a hooker instead.
This, of course, is only valid under the assumption that you neither point a weapon at her or someone else, nor surround her with your five buddies from the kickboxing club.
It’s just a rough guideline, but maybe it helps some clueless guy.
The above is going far beyond anything discussed in the article unless I’ve read it very wrong which is simply about the complexity of consent. If you get to the point where any kind of physical force may be involved then you’re in dangerous territory. Consent is not about ‘being able to fight you’….if you’re at that stage then the police need to be involved. Consent is complex but it certainly isn’t that complex
So, what the author is saying is that if a man raped him; he should be complimented that that man found him so attractive as to be irresistible; rather then disgusted and horrified at that kind of personal and intimate violation.
“In the modern context, rape is essentially the act of ultimate validation and a rape accusation is the ultimate act of attention whoring”
Just re-read. That bit is troubling. He should explain what he meant by that, because its offensive taken on its own
“Women want to monopolize power in the sexual marketplace so that they can control access to sex and manipulate this most primal, most productive of urges to their benefit.”
I think the biggest problem the author makes is that he has the notion that there are conditions where someone he’s attracted to ‘owes’ him sex even if she isn’t attracted back.
Yes; sometimes a woman will change her mind about a man, especially depending on her personality and impression of him; but it still doesn’t change the reality that she never ‘owes’ him sex, he’s not entitled to it even if he gets it.
Because the reality is, if someone could owe you sex when they aren’t attracted to you, and they don’t want it; what happens to you if you owe someone else sex that you aren’t attracted to and you don’t want it? It’s just the golden rule, really.
I didn’t really get that impression, but certainly no one should owe anyone sex. As you say people do change their mind about whether they are attracted to someone, although the complexity of consent as described above is also about those who may well be attracted to each other from the start, but where on the woman’s part there is no initial intention to take this through (at any given time) to the point of sexual congress. Whether its a good article, or an offensive one, he’s broaching an important subject – namely how sex can be negotiated when consent issues may not be as clear as the official line says it is.
Personally, I don’t have any interest in women who have the mentality that they don’t know what they want or are simply dishonest about what they want; outside of the consent issue, it shows a lack of maturity and self-esteem vital to having any sort of genuinely healthy relationship.
You quoted the following from the article: “Women
want to monopolize power in the sexual marketplace so that they can control access to sex and manipulate this most primal, most productive of urges to their benefit.”
I’m curious as to why you quoted that and then chose to focus only on individual psychology & in your most recent post, only on good people respecting other good
people. Feminism has always rejected the immediate interpersonal level as a meaningful level of analysis, or as the level at which sex should be primarily negotiated. Yes, sex is negotiated at an individual level, and if it is done wrong, irresponsibly, deceptively, or worst of all
coercively and without respect for the substantive consent of the woman, then the consequences may be dire for all parties. But that doesn’t address the economic aspect. The fact that persuasion, seduction, game, or
simply the pursuit of love with a person of the opposite sex must now happen according to a rule ‘no, means no’ that completely ignores how sex & love are actually negotiated in the real world serves only to fetter & criminalise ordinary men, and in turn to
disadvantage women themselves who gain nothing from believing in an impossible set of standards. Most men will always try to do the right thing by women, just as rapists will always be inclined to rape, and don’t need to enter into deep debates about the nature of consent
to permit themselves to act on their hatred of women. But this article, offensive as it occasionally is, is an honest attempt to address an issue that must be negotiated at the cultural level not merely pronounced upon by the
representatives of a single party or as you seem to advocate considered as simply a matter of interpersonal integrity.
OK, I’ve re-read my re-reading in context. He’s not saying women should feel validated by rape (if he is then that’s indefensible) he’s saying that for some women that such a feeling of validation could be an influence in colouring her assessment of what happened. I think it is a pretty weak argument, but its not the whole of the article or its essence
In what world is getting raped going to make a woman feel validated? Have you ever read any accounts of how women feel AFTER they’ve been raped? Ever talked to someone who’s been raped? (Did you know statistically 1 in 3 women have been sexually assaulted?) – Not ONE will ever, ever, EVER use the word “validated” as to how they were left feeling.
This author is raping kids in Thailand. He’s straight up admitted that in the last paragraph of his article and encourages his readers to move there so they can get away with it as well. Anyone who follows his advice is an idiot.
Why are you addressing this to me. I quoted the
passage you’re referring to as something that concerned me. I then re-read the surrounding passage and made a post that sought to work out what the author meant. If the author is saying that rape validates women then he’s an idiot but if you look at the actual argument he is not
saying that. He is saying something that even if it is quite offensive still falls far short of what you are saying.
And why are you so intent on trying to tar any discussion on consent as being tantamount to apologising or
supporting rape. Rape is a blight on the world. Very few people would disagree with that statement. But unfortunately having to disassociate from anything described as ‘rapey’ is how feminists control ordinary men. They know they will have little or no effect on the evil men so they try to get ordinary men, most of whom are good people, to trip over each other to disassociate themselves from those evil men. It’s a technique that does nothing to reduce the amount of evil in the world, but is very effective means for controlling a large section of society.
Having constructive debates helps people to think more clearly about the issues involved. Debate does not cause rape.
You’re not responding to what he wrote.
^a mangina in action here. No wonder you are still a virgin.
that is not what it says, mangina dipshit
You are the problem with the world, no does actually mean no and obviously if you are that desperate to have sex and hear yes when a woman says no, you are in fact a horrible human being. Yeah it’s true some girls say no and they do it in a playful way wherr they do want to have sex but even if she says no you should respect that until she decides to say yes(if in fact she wants it). Spreading this message is sickening and gives sickos an excuse. Stop being part of the problem and be part of the solution. Rape is a huge issue and can scar you for your life. Show some fucking respect. You clearly have issues you should probably deal with them.
How can you say “no does actually mean no”, and then say “Yeah it’s true some girls say no and they do it in a playful way wherr they do want to have sex”?
The current situation is designed to create permanent state of uncertainty in a way that has worked to criminalise ordinary men who have never wanted anything other than to relate positively to women. If you want clear rules men and women can abide by you need something a lot better than that.
Jessica shifted her hamster into overdrive.
This makes me sick on so many levels. No means no 100% of the time you must be fucking stupid if you can’t understand that fact. I could honestly care less about what you have to say because this is the first and last time im going to be on this stupid website, lmao bye bitches.
You’re laughing your ass off something that makes you sick on many levels?
great, don’t let the door hit you in your fat ugly ass on the way out
I honestly don’t know where to start. You are all misogynistic, controlling, unintelligent pieces of shit who think men are better then women and should rightfully be able to control them, pressure them into having sex if they don’t want to, and treat them like animals.
Guess what? Men and women are EQUAL.
And all you morons saying ‘feminists hate men’ NO. WE DO NOT. Feminism is WANTING EQUAL RIGHTS FOR WOMEN, NOT WANTING WOMEN TO HAVE MORE RIGHTS THEN MEN. ‘But women don’t treat US as equals!’ PERHAPS THAT’S BECAUSE YOU DON’T DESERVE THE FUCKING RESPECT YOU WANT BECAUSE YOU TREAT EVERY WOMAN THAT APPROACHES YOU LIKE AN ANIMAL. If you respect the fact we don’t want to have sex with you, we will respect you, too. Respect does not work if one party doesn’t respect the other.
And all of you idiots boasting about how much sex you’ve had, most of us wouldn’t touch you with a barge pole.
(To be clear, rape does not only happen to women. Men can, of course, be raped by women! The thing is, most of you are misogynistic men claiming that they can force women to do whatever they want. If you were forced or pressured by a woman to have sex with you, even if you didn’t want it, you wouldn’t be posting some of the shit you’re posting on here).
anon just became Sof
LOL
Hamster is as hamster does.
respect is earned not given, and the modern femicunt deserves zero
Sounds pretty rapey to me, bro.
Anon, just became Hairhole.
If I ever meet you I swear to god I will beat the fucking shit of you and when you say ‘no stop’ that’ll mean you’re actually saying yes right? So then I can carry on 🙂
OMFG the internet tough creature is here
the only thing you could beat is off
Why do you list that “A man’s value is mainly determined by his resources, intellect, and character” if you run such a morally deficient site. All you sick bastards who think rape is moral
Because you’re confused about what is good and what is evil.
Hint: It’s not your heart that can tell you the one from the other, but your mind – and that only when you’ve done your homework.
^that is not what the article says, but like all stupid fucking femicunts you can’t read and comprehend what the words on the page say, only what you feel about what you think they mean
This author is an ignorant sleeze.
How so?
You guys all need to get off the face of this earth. Scumbags.
“Scumbags”? why exactly?
. . . This is literally the most disgusting article I’ve ever read. If you’re a man and you think this way, I feel bad for ANY woman who has ever interacted with you.
awwwwwww the wittle feminist is mad
now fuck off
Care to point to a specific sentence that’s “disgusting” or do you just like the feeling of being outraged without proper cause?
I don’t understand why someone would feel as though have to prove they can have sex with another person. In my opinion it takes confidence to accept when someone doesn’t want to have sex with you, because you don’t need the validation of the person letting you have sex with them. When you feel as though you have to keep trying to get someone to have sex with you when they say no, that shows that you are insecure, which is desperate and not very attractive.
And probably the biggest reason they aren’t very attractive is because they’re pushy, demanding, and care nothing about the other person except as a sex toy.
Agreed! I can’t tell you how many times I’ve stopped dating men because they thought ‘no’ meant ‘try again in 15 minutes’
heh ashton, if you run out of inspiration this is a really useful resource: http://www.babynames.org.uk/
^sackless mangina dipshit alert
Holy….holy fuck. Fuck. My stomach dropped while reading this article.
This article JUSTIFIES rape, which is so fucking wrong on so many fucking levels.
“If a man finds a woman SO incredibly desirable
that he would throw his freedom, reputation, his whole life away to
fuck her, that shows the woman is on the highest echelon of
desirability”
This is a simply horrifying statement. Very, very scary. Are you saying a woman should feel honored and grateful for being forced into sex? The fuck, man. No woman is going to feel like that. The emotions they’ll experience will be horror, terror, shame and disgust.
Every single one of you fucktwards who think that “no” means “yes”, are fucking idiots.
When a woman says no, it doesn’t matter what she’s really thinking–her
“no” means BACK OFF, LEAVE HER ALONE. NO. She doesn’t want to have sex
with you. And hell, even if she DID and is just playing hard to get
(which is unlikely)–She STILL said NO. RESPECT THAT, CUNTS. Just
because you think she wants it, doesn’t mean she actually does. It’s her
body, don’t fucking touch it without her permission.
“Women RESPECT this sexual insistence even if they aren’t acutely aware of it.”
If I am ever raped because a man couldn’t respect my no, there is no way I’d be happy about it.
This entire website promotes a fucking terrible attitude towards race, sexual orientation, woman, disorders, pretty much everything to do with life.
I wish I was a powerful businessman, so I could sue your asses.
“Are you saying a woman should feel honored and grateful for being forced into sex?”
No, he doesn’t.
He says that women who pretend to have been raped can wear it as a badge of honor for the given reason.
It’s in the text, go ahead and read it. And pay attention this time.
The fact that you ignore what has actually been said just proves the point.
And yes, it is scary. For men.
^yet another stunned femicunt arrives at RoK
this is getting tiresome, the same bullshit over and over
YEAH, it’s the same bullshit over and over again, society has to repeat itself, because certain fucktwards like yourself don’t pay attention or bother learning anything.
wow you really overwhelmed me with your sound reasoning there
or not
do you ever have sex, or just read about it? I have met many women who behave exactly as described in this article. which is why I use the 1 date rule, no sex = goodbye, it’s a win/win all around, little time wasted by anybody
Lmfao no sex=goodbye? Prepare for a lonely life, comrade.
it’s called prioritizing my time
I want to have sex. If the woman does not, I move on. I don’t force her to do anything, she makes her own mind up
I’m not looking for platonic friendship and companionship. I have dogs.for that.
Sooo when your future daughter/wife/loved one gets RAPED it will all be okay because their NO meant YES? My god you need help…serious help.
If my “future daughter/wife/loved one” were in bed with a man proposing sex multiple times — and they were uncomfortable with it — they are smart enough to use their 2 legs to leave the room.
care for another strawman?
At 13, my friend’s boyfriend dragged me into her room and tried to strip me while he pinned me down, he was 17 and said he liked me cos I was the only girl he couldn’t have.. I sent his belt buckle into his nuts with my foot and used as much force as I could muster to ram my shoulder into his eye socket but even though he was bleeding from his crotch he kept going.. when a girl causes you physical harm while crying is that a yes in your books?
It took me 5 years to get rid of my fear of men, so now I pretty much worship my boyfriend because he makes me feel safe.
Read the article again dipshit.
This is not an article about how to rape. It’s an article about women who lessen the value of ‘no’
Listen up you little shits, no means no. Yes, that sentence has been said numerous times, no I am not going to stop saying it, until you – and you know who I’m talking to – actually do a little thing call listening. Not hard, really. Give it a try, just sit back, relax and shut the fuck up.
Back in the corner, you are.
You’re pushed there, you don’t want to be there, really you don’t. You’re looking but you don’t see anyone helping, a few even grin you’re way, cat calls are heard and you recoil further in. She – yes, she – is pushing against you. “Don’t be like that babe, you don’t mean it. Come on, don’t play with me, boy”. You can smell his deodorant from where your standing, you’re close enough to know she needs a stronger one. You push back, back, back, ba- but she grabs your wrist and holds them above your head. She leans in closer – too close – tells you you’ll love it, that if you’ll be a good little boy that she’ll make you feel soooo good. You know it’s a lie. But you can’t do anything, all you can do is… say no. But you said no, you said it when she offered you a ride home, when she told you she has some friends – the ones who catcalled, who are egging her on right now – that would just LOVE to meet you. You said no, but she says “you mean yes”…
This is not what you want, boy. This is not what you came here for; you wanted a drink, a place to clear your head but this – this is what you got instead. But you loovee it, don’t you? you reaaally like it, don’t you? you’re a prune if you don’t. Got to say yes – got to…
they won’t take no for an answer.
Really? I’m going to a girls place who wants to fuck me because of a drink? Are you sure you thought this through?
Nice story.
It presumes that the person who’s uncomfortable:
* is incapable of saying “I’m not interested in you. Leave me alone or I will have the bouncers throw you out.”
* does not have the ability to communicate basic human feelings properly, like most 13+ year olds
* worst case — doesn’t have 2 legs to leave the room.
This site, and all its inhabitants make me sick. If a girl says no, it will always mean no. Rape isn’t okay. She doesn’t want to have sex with you, and if you’re persistent, that lowers your chance even more. Rape ruins millions of lives, and its men like you that make it 10 times worse. You shame girls who are accusing a man of rape, probably telling her she deserved it. “it was probably what she was wearing.”, “She led him on.”,”She was a whore, anyways.”, ect.
There are absolutely no excuses for rape, being ‘afraid to be a man” is even worse. Raping a girl is not being a man, raping a girl is being a pathetic coward who cant take no for an answer because you’re used to a yes. Not every girl has the desire to sleep with you, and if you think they do, your ego is utterly way to high.
To all the men on this site who think this in anyway is okay. I saw fuck you. Fuck you, and i hope you get locked up for what you have done. And if you’ve already raped a girl, I hope it ruins you. Knowing you hurt someone like that. All of you can go to hell.
“This site, and all its inhabitants make me sick.” Good.
“Rape isn’t okay.” No, it isn’t. Calling things rape that aren’t rape isn’t ok either though. That’s what you do.
“To all the men on this site who think this in anyway is okay. I saw fuck you. Fuck you, and i hope you get locked up for what you have done. And if you’ve already raped a girl, I hope it ruins you.” I think that implies you want guys to be locked up that *haven’t* committed rape.
^yet another stunned femicunt arrives at RoK
now fuck off
How about instead of mouthing off on this site, wasting everybody’s time, you go teach women all over this country to never deligitimize the word ‘no’ by falsely using it?
Go read up on the examples in the comments above of scummy women who say ‘no’ right before jumping on top of a guy for sex. Or the women who say no in the middle of intercourse and then scream “don’t stop. keep going.”
Once you’ve taught those women to do the right thing, you come back here and we’ll have a conversation.
I’m a woman and I can agree with this article on the level that there are SOME times that a woman will say no and mean yes, but only to be playful, not to trap men into a situation where they can accuse them of rape.
Of course women like the validation of being chased, just as much as men like the validation of succeeding in the chase.
But as a general rule of thumb, you should just accept that no means no, because if I was you, I’d rather find a situation where there is no room for interpretation.
The part of this that I can’t agree with is that women orchestrate situations to get themselves raped because it proves that they are “the highest echelon of desirability”.
Also that idea that women throw around rape accusations willy nilly is ridiculous and the minuscule portion of rape accusations that aren’t genuine are just as abhorrent to women as they are to men because they belittle the suffering of women who come forward who HAVE been so despicably violated (which is the vast majority) and undermine their chances of being taken seriously, clearly so much so to the point that there’s men on this thread willing to argue that ALL rape accusations are fake.
The one thing I wouldn’t want people to take away from this article is that ALL nos are yeses and to make sure that a girl is just being playful with you, not trying to get rid of you, before you do anything stupid.
good cop
So to you guys who agree with this article it must mean you think it would be ok for someone to rape your sisters, your daughters, your mothers etc because that must mean they are beautiful and they actually wanted it.
bad cop
that’s not what the article says
moronic straw man citing femicunt
fuck off
If my “sisters, daughters, and mothers” were in bed with a man proposing sex multiple times — and they were uncomfortable with it — they are smart enough to use their 2 legs to leave the room.
Response, moron?
The writer of this articles rapes women.
That is true. Unless your logic rapes reason. Its one or the other
Speaking of shitty writing… you’re no Ernest Hermingway yourself, “Ashley”.
^yet another stunned femicunt arrives at RoK
now fuck off
Have fun becoming a rapist. The other guys in prison will have tons of fun with you.
Have fun becoming a rapist. The other guys in prison will have fun with you!
Prison rape jokes are funny!
Let’s tell some more jokes about prison rape, this time in South America, southeast Asia, and Africa —- oh wait, that’s prison rape that happens to women…. 🙁
Hey Girls! Problem solved!! Anti-Rape pants just came out!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/10431368/Anti-rape-pants-a-world-first-wrong-on-so-many-levels.html
Listen, as a GUY I find this horrific, okay? This is fucking stupid. How could anyone think so little of other human beings that they would force them through that kind of trauma? What is so broken is some people that they feel like they have to make others feel helpless and hurt and weak?
Who’s talking about committing rape in the article, moron?
This article is about some stupid women who devalue the word ‘no’
What a dochecanoe you are. White Knighting to get some pussy huh?
hahaha
^another White Knight mangina dipshit arrives at RoK
Someone like this should be put in the situation he thinks is allowed, so that he can understand exactly what he is talking about. I was raped. And no, I didn’t want it. And no, I am not saying this for attention as many of you have oh-so-blatantly put it.I am saying this so this person understands that his hurtful words are reaching people who have actually experienced rape. And it’s not witty, it’s not insightful, and it doesn’t make you seem educated in the slightest. And before any of you start going off about how I “wanted it” or whatever it is you are planning on saying, you need to understand that forcing anyone to have sex with you (be it male or female) is a crime. It is violent. And there is something mentally wrong with you if you actually think that it is okay. It does a lot of damage not only physically but mentally.
Get it through your thick skill.
This article is not about how to rape, ingrate.
This article is about other, scummy women who devalue the word ‘no’.
I’m sorry. I was I somehow supposed to be grateful for this oh-so-wonderful text? This text that talks about how when women say no and this man forces sex on them anyways that it’s wrong for them to call it rape? And you’re right. It’s not instructions on how to rape someone. I think men have kind of figured out the gist of how that goes. But it seems that in this article men are justifying their actions to feel less guilty. And while yes, I am sure some women fall into those categories. Most women would mean it when they say no to sex.
another stoooopid femicunt arrives at RoK
that is not what the article says, if you actually read it
now fuck off
How the fuck would you know? How many women have you banged, genious?
Ummm, what? Where do he say that?
He mentions being propositioning women in his bed multiple times for sex. At what point does he “force sex on them”, exactly?
Idiot.
Heres ten bucks. Go buy a teddy bear.
“I was raped.”
http://i.imgur.com/Dvx0ln3.gif
“But I have to issue a serious warning: plowing through a woman’s objections with bemused persistence isn’t for newcomers to the game.”
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It’s not exactly foolproof for the professionals, either.
Tell you what, Mr. Big Bad Alpha Playa Man, try Gaming your way out of a false rape accusation (with your reputation completely whole, intact and unscathed) and then come back to me with this business about cavalierly plowing through a woman’s objections without a care about what happens later.
Because guess what? Not every woman who falsely cries rape does so because the man wasn’t smooth or bad boy enough for her.
Sometimes a girl will do it just to avoid looking (not feeling, but looking) like a slut or to avoid getting busted by her boyfriend.
Or she might just do it because she’s on her fucking period. Or she might just do it For the Evulz.
wow those are some really solid reasons to accuse a man falsely of rape:
“Sometimes a girl will do it just to avoid looking (not feeling, but
looking) like a slut or to avoid getting busted by her boyfriend.
Or she might just do it because she’s on her fucking period. Or she might just do it For the Evulz.”
and you stunned femicunts wonder why we verbally abuse you here. holy fuck, your retarded “logic” is truly amazing
“Because guess what? Not every woman who falsely cries rape does so because the man wasn’t smooth or bad boy enough for her.
Sometimes a girl will do it just to avoid looking (not feeling, but
looking) like a slut or to avoid getting busted by her boyfriend.
Or she might just do it because she’s on her fucking period. Or she might just do it For the Evulz.”
Oh I see. So it would be ok for you to knowingly accuse someone unjustly of something which can potentially mean totally ruining his life and sending him to jail for many years, just to protect your precious little duck feelings, or just for convenience. That’s alright then.
Your immorality shocks me and disgusts me.
This is just wrong people. Don’t any of you other men have sisters or mothers or wives? How can you seriously think this is OK?! Harassing and coercing a “Yes” out of ANY PERSON IN ANY SITUATION is never really a yes. If anything, it is borderline psychological abuse which causes the victim to eventually cave in to the demand rather than continuing an argument. Coercion to force consent won’t stand up in court either I might add. So if you end up doing time for rape because you thought “No means Yes”, remember that… while you keep on saying “No” to the 300lb inmate who wants to make a playground out of your ass.
^another dumb femicunt who probably has never had sex with a non-plastic partner
Try reading, moron.
This article is about women who fling the word ‘no’ around like poop, devaluing it.
I understand you Playas need mad skills to assess every aspect of the situation when it comes to getting past this LMR bullshit, but why hasn’t it ever occurred to any of you Master Playas you’re nowhere near as perfect as you think you are?
Why do you Playas think just because you’re awesome at the Game you can’t ever lose at the Game?
Let’s take a look at the Dog Whisperer. The Dog Whisperer has been bitten several times and that guy is like, a freaking god when it comes to dogs. He can practically read their minds, he’s that good.
Yet even the great Cesar Milan gets bitten by a bitch every once in a while. As good as Cesar Milan may be, even he still comes across the occasional bitch with the energy and the speed and the insanity (and the teeth) to get a good hard CHOMP into his flesh.
Well….you Masta Playas are in the same situation. You’re good. I’ll give you that. You can nail ’em, you can pack ’em into your beds, you got yourself a harem of bitches ready to rumble on a moment’s notice.
You can break bitches with the best of ’em. But sooner or later, you’re gonna come across a bitch who’s not only gonna resist you, she’s gonna bite you. And bite HARD.
So, think about that the next time you cavalierly plow on through with this “no means yes” nonesense without a care about may happen later.
I’m done.
you know jack about it. in the real world, even the best player has to approach many women to succeed with one. nobody here said they were perfect.”she’s gonna bite you. And bite HARD.” you watch too many vampire movies
I have never forced a woman to have sex. They are willing, or they don’t do it. But many women will say “no” at first, then an enthusiastic “yes” later, it’s what your gender does. Which is what the article talks about. A man who gives up at the first “no” will never get laid, and the woman will likely say to him later “why didn’t you persist?”, which has happened to me a few times.
I have only met a few women (strippers, super sluts) who said “yes” right away, out of thousands of interactions. Or hookers, I suppose, never paid for it, myself.
> MGTOW detected.
Stop trying to counsel everyone else to forget about having a sex life, moron.
Hi Vincent. You sound like you need some validation and I know just what you need. How would you like to experience what it’s like to be on the “highest echelon of desirability”? I’ve got a friend who might just find you “SO incredibly desirable” that he would throw his freedom, reputation, his whole life away to fuck you. Yep. And if you say no? Well, let’s be honest, you are just straight up LYING when in fact you truly, DESPERATELY want a big dick up your ass.
And don’t even think about accusing anyone of raping you; it is the “ultimate act of attention whoring”, after all!
you have some weird gay tastes, but this Blog is for straight men
fucking fag hag, the AIDs is making your brain malfunction
If Vincent:
* were gay
* went on a date planned, initiated, paid for, and chauffeured by your friend
* liked your friend enough to go on the date
* had sexual tension during the date with your friend
* maybe decided to ‘loosen up’ with alcohol to be more adventurous during the date
* agreed to go back to your friend’s place
* jumped into bed with your friend
* made out with your friend and engaged in light physical intimacy
Then, yes, Vincent should expect your friend to make moves, REPEATEDLY AND PERSISTENTLY, for sex.
Vincent would know that he has 2 legs and can leave the room any darn time he likes, if he’s uncomfortable with your friend’s persistence.
He’s not a 10 year old and should not be treated as such.
There is one thing you did wrong in this argument and that is clumping every woman in the same category. Here’s the thing though, your Article should be titled “how to handle easy women” instead of using rape as if every man should attempt it once in their life. First off, you’re handling easy girls who need a mans impalement as their verfication on their existence. In fact, these women are the ones men most seek out because it’s a big ego boost when you have sex with a ton of women. But somewhere down the line, you will notice the distinction between the women you have fucked so easily and the woman you want to have by your side forever. This is why I actually feel sorry for you instead of being angry at your blatant disregard for people who have ACTUALLY been raped.
we’re totally sensitive to the fact we are insensitive to your bullshit
You’re monotone and idiotic replies made my night! I’ve seen your comments and I’m so waiting for femicunt that I’m actually disappointed you didn’t say it to me.
You didn’t earn that name yet, sweetie
Aw and I tried so hard. Dammit. You have let me down.
*Your
i forgot to add it, my bad: stunned femicunt
YES!!! Thank you so much because I really needed your validation! Who are you again? And where is your degree from? Or are you posting this from your moms basement? How do you think she would feel about this article? God don’t tell me your from redneck country!!! It all makes sense now!!!
you ask, I am only too happy to provide
come on over and bring the movies, it’s cozy here in the basement
> As though most women aren’t validated, gratified, or excited by winning over a desirable, confident, handsome man they find attractive.
Central prong of argument: DESTROYED
Secondly, I find it completely interesting how you basically fear how women react to things and their supposed power. Why are you so upset about women yelling rape? Because you want to keep male dominance and make sure that women don’t have a say in anything that happens to their body? What’s even better is that the women who dressed conservatively and came home from work really asked to have sex in the subway. That’s what REALLY happened. That wasn’t rape at all. Or truly, it was the nine year old who has no sexual intentions whatsoever REALLY asked her Uncle or Teacher to have sex with her. That’s not rape either. Clearly these women need to be shut down. Hence why your correlation to rape is just so right on so many levels.
Who’s upset about women yelling rape if they’ve actually been raped?
This article expresses concern about scuzzy women who devalue the word ‘no’.
If there’s any upset about “yelling rape”, it’s about false rape claims, which can take away a person’s liberty for years. Here’s a peer-reviewed study that pegged 41% of rape claims as false.
https://web.archive.org/web/20050723053342/http://www.sexcriminals.com/library/doc-1002-1.pdf
Rape is a crime, a man who actually does it is a sick criminal. If it ACTUALLY HAPPENED, no one here is upset.
your comment sounds like you did not even rtfa, just the title
Are you sure? Because I read that women just like to entrap men and say rape because they want to feel like they didn’t compromise their morals. I mean hey….every person that has every said raped clearly DID want to have sex and just felt ashamed. It was a shameful fucking. That or the guy just didnt “do her good enough”.
since many studies and much anecdotal evidence have shown that somewhere between 40% and the majority of rape complaints are false accusations, dafuq are you talking about
If the rape ACTUALLY HAPPENED, call the police, by all means.
Sweetheart I’m just going by this completely valid article!!! I mean hey, I don’t deny that woman have falsely accused raped. Hell, people have falsely accused people of MANY things. I find it sincerely discomforting how the context in which rape is used in this article. Bottom line. If a rape victim read this, do you think they would laugh at it and go “oh so true”? Doubt it. BUT THEN AGAIN IM A FEMICUNT SO WHAT DO I KNOW.
“Why are you so upset about women yelling rape?”
Are you an idiot?
I’ve seen how impossible it used to be to defend myself against false harassment charges in the past, and how much of an ego boost it was for the bitch that did it to me.
If I’m convicted of rape, I’ll not only lose socially, but go to prison for many years. That’s fucking terrifying.
Let’s be honest about what this “article” is really about- your chance to brag about what a douche bag man can be, why girls should just forget self respect and serve men, and to make people understand that rape really isn’t rape at all- it’s a hello knock to your vagina because man can’t POSSIBLY hold your attention on an intellectual level so he must be physical. Welcome to the 21st century, we are reverting back to cave man times. Enjoy your future alone because this mind set isn’t going to get you a life companion.
who wants a life companion? ever read about the divorce statistics? hookups? there is no “life companion” today, that was for previous generations. and nobody is bragging about anything that I see here
and that is not what the article says, it’s what you feel about what you think it says, which for women is far more important than any actual facts
1. I’m happily married. The divorce statistics, while staggering, are for people who don’t get working it out or who marry after knowing someone for two minutes.
2. Life companion is something you should look into. When your 50-60-70 and you have NO ONE, you will get the gist of why this article is ridiculous. Too bad I don’t feel like waiting for you to understand that.
3. The only ones disconcerting facts here is the men on this comment feed tang legit think it’s okay to continue harassing women to have sex after she said no. But notice how when women stick up for themselves, they are cunts and bitches and just stupid. MY GOD I REALLY WISH I COULD JUST SHUT UP AND HAVE A MAN PUT ME IN MY PLACE (said no woman ever).
I’m divorced, (far too long of a story to go into here, but does not fit into your narrow definition of why divorces happen) but I do have a current FWB who seems happy with our arrangement
I troll these femicunts so hard because they come here to a men’s Blog to tell all the men how to think and feel, like feminists always do, being the totalitarian fascists you are,who allow no dissenting opinion – like on your Blogs, where any non-agreeing comment is immediately deleted and the commenter banned. Think about that, your comment is allowed here, and not deleted, and you are’t banned. It’s called free speech, try Googling it
My god, if I didn’t know any better, I’d say you were an attorney for Phil Robertson. But anyway, I don’t blog. (I personally am in shock that people still blog) and no I’m not a fucking sexist. This is a man’s blog that is refuting a word that so many women fear and use it like it’s fucking air. And it’s okay? Because the few that used it falsely and turns into a spectacle that many woman wish to never happen to them- this is why rape is okay to joke about and this is why you shouldn’t take a no seriously? Don’t take my no seriously when I tell you not to bring home wine or chocolate or the cute puppy for sale- but do fucking taking it seriously when I tell you to keep your dick away from me because I don’t want it.
Please.
Rape is only a thing when it’s done to women. In Pulp Fiction you’ve got rape as a joke, but no-one complains because it’s a guy who gets it.
There was an ad here in Germany that made fun of prison rape – no one bothered because it was placed in a prison for men.
It’s only when something hurts the feelings of women that it at all matters.
“This is a man’s blog that is refuting a word that so many women fear and use it like it’s fucking air. And it’s okay?”
Yes, it is. You have to understand that you will have to take it just as hard as you dish it out.
I have my own fears, and I’m sick and tired to be told that yours count more because when women are raped, it’s so much worse than anything imaginable, and it’s the only thing people can not analyse or joke about: Only murder, genocide and terrible sicknesses are acceptable for scrutiny and humor.
Like most feminists, you’re just an entitled brat. You will have your feelings hurt by other people like everyone else. Get used to it, the male part of the populace is already.
“…a life companion…” What a joke. A lifetime of nagging not companion.
***UPDATE***
A few individuals with nothing better to do have gone to my Amazon.com book page and left my latest book several 1-star reviews.
( http://www.lastminuteresistance.com/book )
Naturally, not a single one of these cuckoo social justice warriors have purchased the book or read it. If they had, it would show their review as an “Amazon Verified Review.”
(Amazon allows anybody with an Amazon account to leave a review of a product they’ve never actually used, read or consumed.)
Your pathetic mob efforts have had absolutely zero impact on my business. Further, several hot girls have privately reached out to me in commiseration over the response to this article.
Finally, it is a very beautiful, sunny Friday afternoon here in Bangkok, Thailand. Tonight I will go out and celebrate life and most likely fornicate with a gorgeous young girl. Perhaps several.
I will have spent exactly zero seconds of my life thinking about you, while you foam at the mouth for days straight from behind your computer screen thinking about me.
I (we) win.
Love,
Vincent
I salute you.
There are clear differences between rape, and the situations where “no means yes.”
An overwhelming amount of rape victims would never describe it as an act of desire, or of the rapist passing a shit test set up by the victim. Rape is often described as an act designed to assert power and dominance, or to humiliate the victim, to hurt them, degrade them.
In the same way, a girl who is testing the man’s desire to sleep with her, or trying to make it look as though she didn’t actively choose to sleep with the man (possibly for fear of judgement from friends, etc) – will not feel as though she has been raped. And a man who can read the body language of a woman and persist in a situation like this isn’t doing it to hurt her, or humiliate her. It’s a game, a two-way dialogue. The problem is people who can’t read women, who don’t have the emotional intelligence to differentiate a no that’s a yes.
Obviously there are many different situations in which rape, and shit testing, can occur which I have not covered above, situations which are far more ambiguous. I don’t think it’s possible to cover the full spectrum in a comment like this. And fully discussing the nuances of rape isn’t the point I’m trying to make.
The problem with articles like this aren’t the content – I did not feel the author at any point confused the two situations, or claimed that a real rape victim was “asking for it”. However, people will jump to conclusions and rage because the word “rape” used in a context like this a red flag to those people. But they’re missing the point.
The problem is not with the author’s words, but with the way they can be mis-interpreted. It’s not the author’s fault that some people may interpret them as “no ALWAYS means yes”, or “women want it no matter what”, or “her tears and resistance are actually just playing hard to get”, in the same way that keyboard warriors and white knights will also miss the point completely. Deliberately or otherwise.
Should women be more honest about their intentions? Yes.
Would it completely prevent rape from happening? Of course not.
I couldn’t even finish this article because I felt sick. The way you speak so nonchalantly about rape is disgusting. I feel very sad that this is how you feel about women and would invite you to speak to some real life rape victims, perhaps this will change your mind about NO really meaning NO.
Please answer these questions first; they are qualifiers to have a respectful debate between equals:
What is next in this series? 1, 4, 10, 19, 31, _
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Should evolution and creationism be taught side-by-side in school?
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Which is bigger? (earth or sun)
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Jealousy: healthy or unhealthy, in the context of a relationship?
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Do you Google someone before a first date?
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I don’t think you truly know the difference between sexual foreplay and rape. So a man attacking a woman in a car park when she’s finished work is her merely being too pretty to say no? Basically it’s her fault she is so dam irresistible. I wonder what article you would write after bring raped by a dude. Yes it does happen and yes no means no.
Please point to the specific sentence in the article that advise committing rape.
Thanks.
You know… This could all stem from a complex he has. He was recently turned down and it hurt his feelings type of thing? But no! By this logic she means yes! Better start harassing her some more and hopefully you can get her cornered in a dark ally. Better still I heard stair wells are a good place?
On this basis does a court order mean no? Or is it still a yes?
-_-
From all the girls I’ve talked to no means no, even when they go through with it. They have their reasons, but some believe their reasons are invalid, because that is the kind of society they live in. I personally keep a healthy distance from parties and bars.
It’s a sad world we live in. Horrible in fact! I’m just glad I met a real man 4 years ago who respects me as I do him.
Moral of the story —
1) Women are unable to express their emotions correctly.
2) As we do with 10 year olds, society should not rely on women to communicate properly.
3) Because women might second-guess their sexual activities, we should not permit women to engage in sexual activities until they’ve been examined by a team of psychotherapists.
So, I had an elegant text written out for this… but I lost it. so I’ll sum it up. I’ve heard both ends of the story. Perhaps it’s due to the crowd I hang out with, but from all the girls I know, when they say no, even if they go through with it anyways, they mean no. They might enjoy it for the moment, but then they feel guilty and their pride/self-image/self-respect are damaged. For some it’s because they have something going on in their lives and they just want to forget for a moment. Others are tired of waiting for mister right, but give up for that evening . Still others feel threatened by the insistence, and so go on passively instead of being raped. Simply respecting their no will only disappoint them if they meant yes, but the other way around damages them. Consider this the next time someone says no.
So the question is: Do you want to be the loser who is nice and sees the girl to put out to the douche, or do you want to be the douche yourself?
Frankly, I’d rather be the bad guy than the stupid guy.
Sadly I don’t think the blogger gives a dam about a woman’s pride or self respect. He’d rather we were all his play ground to use at his will. I’m sad for him, he will never know the joys of a loving relationship.
we’re sensitive to the fact we are totally insensitive to your concerns
now fuck off femicunt
^mangina dipshit
why are you White Knighting for them anyway? Women flock to you to tell you their feelings? please
They are quite capable of posting their own bullshit here, they don’t need you to add your own BS
has it occurred to you that feminism is training women to become ever more sensitised to their fragility. Rape is increasingly being re-defined to become bad sex.
you pig. you utter horrid pig. ONE! no means goddamn no! there is a difference in being flirty and forceful! charm and arrogance! what you do not understand is some, SOME woman have some fetishes, BUT all of those are done CONSENSUALLY! when you see or hear of woman being tied or forced and they like it, its because they consent that behavior with a clear YES! and in the act choose a safe word with their partner who obeys that word. but for every one else? that word is and always will be NO! when you meet a woman at a bar or party, if she says get lost, you go! if shes drunk, you do not advance in any physical choices! even if a woman comes and sits with you, even if she “comes to your room” this action is not a yes! the WORD yes is a goddamn yes! if she goes there whether with intentions but changes her mind, or just want to talk you better fucking appreciate a woman’s wishes! how do you like it huh? if a man comes to you, starts to hit on you, make disgusting remarks at you, then takes you to his room and does what he wants to you! (and whether your gay or not) if you said no and he doesnt listen thats fucking rape. NOT SO FUNNY WITH THAT IMAGE IS IT!? grow up and get some fucking respect for the woman in this world. is it ok if our mother is treated that way? is it ok if your sister, your friend your aunt your GRANDMOTHER! lets have a man come to them and ascend on them without their permission. lets see if you think no doesnt mean no then huh.
^yet another stunned femicunt bitch from hell arrives at RoK
now GTFO
Anyone who even questions the absolute doctrine of no means no should be imprisoned as a rapist. Even if they say they despise rape, despise rapists, believe in consent, take reasonable precautions to check consent has been granted etc etc. The mere fact that the doctrine has been questioned is equated with rape, or hate crime or both. Its not only opportunist PUAs who fall foul of this doctrine. Every love story in history is potentially recast as rape or abuse. Why because the man is supposed to give up at the first hurdle. That’s what the doctrine of no is, and its power lies in the impossibility of its observance
If there is a societal need for women to say no when they truly wish yes, it has come from a divide between the sexes. This article, while obviously written to cause controversy and sell books, only serves to further the divide between men & women. Instead of “barreling through” women furthering the need for them to be heard, how about leading the way back to a positive, loving world and being a man strong enough to listen with an empathic ear. Maybe women might begin saying yes to you.
That’s lovely. Maybe all the worlds problem would go away if only we are all nice and respectful. Game or whatever you want to call it is a pragmatic but also a political response to the systematic destruction of men’s vital interests, in modern society, and not just the putative advantages that feminists claim they are trying to balance (“its about equality…kerching”). By all means be a man strong enough to listen with an empathetic ear. Women probably will appreciate it. But they may also perceive it as weakness, and lose attraction or alternatively in their frustration trample all over you. As for risking further dividing the sexes, that’s the sort of argument Neville Chamberlain would make
I would LOVE nothing more than to smash your face in with a baseball bat.
A dumb Canuck like you wouldn’t even know how to swing a bat properly.
Go suck some maple tree sap, moron.
I would LOVE to smash your face in with a baseball bat, you scum.
oh oh the internet tough creature is here, better run guys
This is fucked up, borderline psychotic. I hope the next chick you decide “actually means yes” gives you fucking AIDS.
What’s wrong with being a decent person about it? They say no, you comply. If they “sulk/demand sex” right after, then you say “Then you shouldn’t have said no”. You don’t fucking presume that they actually mean yes and “take it to the basket”.
Chivalry really is dead, and you’re a giant douche
The average girl who really means no will protest a lot more firmly in the face of your insistence. It’s called body language. People say ‘no’ and mean ‘yes’ all the time, but when sex is involved, suddenly it becomes something no one knows of.
Most women I’ve been with were glad I was astute enough to see their ‘no’ for a ‘yes’, and they probably wouldn’t call me ‘borderline psychotic’.
Also, define ‘chivalry’. Depending on what you mean by it, it could very well be a good fucking thing it’s dead.
Kindly point out the sentence in the article in which the author:
— or just stop making up nonsense about the article and actually read it.
Thanks.
As a woman who has been raped, you sicken me. I said no and meant it but apparently the guy had the same thought pattern as you. Perpetuating the idea that no means yes is just going to increase the likelihood of rape. You’re a sorry excuse for a human being and a sorry excuse for a man (if I can even call you that). There is a difference between being persistent and being (as you like to call it) “rapey”. At no point should a man ever put his hands on a woman in an effort to coerce her into sex. If you had any respect for women (or anyone other than yourself), you wouldn’t be saying these things. If you had a daughter or a sister, would you want a man treating her this way? If she told you she was raped, would you tell her that she secretly wanted it? You should be ashamed of yourself.
There is a world of difference between saying that no means yes, and saying that no does not always mean a final no, whereupon all persuasion all pursuit should stop dead. Countless women on this very board have admitted this. Its about discretion & negotiation, and becoming finely attuned to the signals that are given out
Signals? No you need to clearly communicate wants and needs.
Talking. If you cant talk about sex, then why are you doing it?
perhaps you can do that when sex is about to happen. There is rarely anything clear in the communication involved in getting to that point. That is because masking and obfuscating desire is essential to the micropolitics of sex. Not least because resistance is a part of creating desire. Clear communication can’t work to the extent that it is a passion killer
If I had a daughter or a sister, they would already know that if they were uncomfortable with a man’s sexual advances in bed, they have two legs and simply get up and leave his place — or tell him to leave hers.
See, wasn’t that easy?
This article was so offensive to me that I was unable to read it in its entirety. Although I find the idea that someone out there is “teaching” men how to coerce women into reluctantly saying yes to their advances disgusting and repulsive.
I do know that there are women out there who have played the ‘no’/’yes’ game described in the article, but that is not to say that ALL women who say ‘no’ at first will submit if the guy is pushy enough. I also know many women who say ‘no’ and mean ‘no’.
Everyone has urges and desires, both men and women alike, and it is completely acceptable to try and fulfill those needs. But what I believe the previous comments from the other women are trying to get through is that it is not ok to think that with enough persistence, intimidation, and coercion you will get actual consent.
If both parties are completely consenting to the act then neither party should walk away with feelings of regret or repulsion for what they have done.
There is a big difference between consenting to something and being coerced into doing something you either are unsure of or don’t want to do.
One thing I also wanted to make clear is that it is not only men who can be accused of rape. Women are just as susceptible to being accused of or charged with rape and it is just as damaging to their reputation as it is for a man. In the ‘example’ you gave of the woman’s ‘no’ and the woman jumping on him is an example of how a man could claim that he was ‘raped’ by the woman.
Actual rape is not a joke, nor should it be taken lightly. Articles like this where someone is manipulating the facts and evidence to suit their own personal agenda is why people are not taking rape as seriously as they once did. When a woman says ‘NO’ it should be taken and accepted as a ‘NO’ not as a jumping point for men to play little games. If she really meant ‘yes’ then it is her lose and she will eventually stop playing the games (as you call it). You are just as much to blame for the ‘no’/’yes’ game that you claim to be so against, so you have no right to ridicule women and blame them for its entirety.
We have noticed very few of you are sane enough to even read the article.
You admit that women play the yes/no game, for some reason you blame men for this….so basically you have nothing to add, and you support the premise of an article which you did not read, but which you still hate.
So what is wrong with you? Hey, wait a second, you don’t have short hair do you?
Weak.
You live in PC totalitarianism that restricts you from hearing anything beyond your echo chamber. That’s just sad.
As a man, I find this whole article absolutely appalling. You are not a real man if you have to resort to these sort of tactics, and you obviously have misplaced anger towards women because of your tiny little penis.
If a woman does not want to have sex with you, then she is obviously a good judge of character and not just playing games as you so wrongly put it. It is time for you to take a long hard look at yourself and realise that you are a failure as a man and as a sexual partner. As the stronger of our species it is up to us as men to protect our women and make them feel safe. Mutually consenting sex comes easily and naturally if this is achieved, without resorting to being no more than a horny little dog humping at chair legs when get an erection. Be a real man and rethink your ways before it’s too late. Karma can be a bitch.
Jeez… white knight much?
White knight loser^^^
Keep it up Steve, I am sure you are a real hit with the ladies!
In your definition you have to rape to be a “hit with the ladies”? Who is the loser here Lg? I am not one of these sensitive new age guys. I am a man’s man. Built like a rugby player, very high salary, power, big penis. I am the definition of an alpha male. I don’t know what it is like to walk in your little shoes, but I can tell you that rape is not the answer. If you can’t get sex for whatever reason, then go have a wank. You are already a tosser anyhow.
I don’t care what you do or who you are. Suggesting that a man being persistent is rape, makes you a white knight loser.
And steve, your over the top posturing, coupled with your rape Tourette’s tells me you are in fact a women.
If you are in fact a man, I weep for humanity and our future.
This is not suggesting a man be persistent, it’s suggesting he rape. There is no grey area in this article. I suggest you re-read it.
I am a married man with four kids. Regarding humanity and our future I have the same sentiments as you when I read this article and your comments. The author has some very serious issues and has admitted in his write up elsewhere that he didn’t get much sex so had to resort to trickery and force.
Why don’t you quote from the article where he is engaging in or suggesting rape?
Don’t worry I will wait.
You have got to be joking now right?! The whole article is about rape. Just because he says that rape is the ultimate validation, that rape laws are too restrictive, and that not having consent is not rape, doesn’t mean it’s true! I see that you’re American, so your grasp of the English language is sub-par and your attention span is even worse, but surely you are not so thick that you cannot see that?
No I asked you to quote from the article where he engaged in or suggested rape? Of course you came back with no quote. Don’t worry I will continue to wait “steve.”
Did you read my response? Ok, the below is where he refers to rape:
“Women say “no” to me in one way or another on a regular basis, e.g. “no, you can’t have my number”, “no, I should go home”, “no, I’m not coming into your apartment”, and of course, the classic, “no, we’re not having sex”.
Yet somehow, when it’s all said and done, the woman is invariably happy that I didn’t listen to a single word of protest she uttered; that I barreled through her resistance nonchalantly and drove the ball to the basket. Women RESPECT this sexual insistence even if they aren’t acutely aware of it.
The consent crowd, however, would like for men to believe that anything short of a written statement, notarized and signed by the soon to be fornicated party, is rape.
Women want to monopolize power in the sexual marketplace so that they can control access to sex and manipulate this most primal, most productive of urges to their benefit. Ultimately, it isn’t to their benefit at all but that’s another story. Perhaps it’s no different from Western men who go abroad to a country where their sexual value is much higher and pussy seems to fall from the sky. We’re all looking out for number one and doing whatever we can to pass on those selfish genes.
Ask any guy who’s banged a lot of girls and has had a lot of same-night lays, and he will surely regale you with tales of seemingly insurmountable resistance, conquered and slain by his resolve and unwavering horniness. It’s in the nature of beautiful women to resist, test, protest, sabotage and make your job of fucking them difficult. And of course, by the time you wrestle their panties off, they’re dripping wet.
With rape laws the way they are in countries like the US and Canada, it’s downright scary to be a man and act with natural disinhibition in the company of beautiful women in these countries. We’re at a dangerous cultural crossroads, where a woman’s need for validation is at an all time high, and the repercussions for accusing men of rape are non-existent. Do you see any potential for abuse with this cocktail?
In the modern context, rape is essentially the act of ultimate validation and a rape accusation is the ultimate act of attention whoring. I’m not supporting it of course, don’t be silly. But think about it. If a man finds a woman SO incredibly desirable that he would throw his freedom, reputation, his whole life away to fuck her, that shows the woman is on the highest echelon of desirability. And in fact, women have begun to routinely accuse men of rape purely for the ego validation that the onslaught of attention brings them. Even though the night before, they gleefully received the gent’s ravishment.
And why not? If a woman can have her cake and eat it, too, she will.
But I have to issue a serious warning: plowing through a woman’s objections with bemused persistence isn’t for newcomers to the game. Especially not in the US. You need to be FLUENT in reading female body language. You need to know exactly what you’re doing. The thing to understand is that telling a man “no” is a way to weed out the weaklings from the men who know what they want (her).
The best way to hone your sense about when ‘no’ means ‘yes’ is to have a lot of interactions with attractive women. And in particular, it’s when you go for the lay very soon after meeting a girl that she’ll be most likely to resist your attempts to get in her pants. This situation is commonly known as Last Minute Resistance or “LMR” for short (this is a situation I teach how to overcome in my newest book LMR Exposed). This is also about the time that you start fearing for your freedom if you push too hard and a girl flips out and sicks the law on you. A mere accusation is enough to screw up your life big time.
Yet the conflict of interest is that the most reliable way to establish a strong male/female polarity is to bed a woman quickly (and well). In a word, she wants to be persuaded by your dominance, sexual potency and persistence. And she will test you and do everything she can think of to discourage you from having sex with her.
Here’s the main thing to consider: She can be saying ‘no’ with her words and even with her situational body language. But if you’ve been unmistakably clear about your sexual intent and then she comes to your room, she is open to being seduced. Otherwise, she wouldn’t be there. I’ve had hour or more long battles with a girl who had come to my room and then protested that she wasn’t going to have sex with me. Hell, it just happened again yesterday. In the end, of course, we got naked. And, she appreciated it after the fact. If a girl isn’t open to being seduced she will either not come in or will precipitate hastily from your room. Anything short of that is a green light.
We’ve created a situation where this kind of natural sexual play, which is vital to establishing the dominant/submissive sexual polarity, is discouraged and tied up with various (legitimate) fears about potential consequences, even if you’ve done nothing wrong. It’s a brave new world we live in. But what are we as men supposed to do, drop out altogether? No. Proceed with caution but proceed. And if you can, get out of the Anglosphere so you can relax and get down to business without concern for your freedom. Your penis will thank you.”
As I said.
There is no point where he is not referring to rape! Even the heading (which I didn’t quote) is referring to rape. It doesn’t matter if he wants to justify his actions by saying he defines consent differently, consent is black and white. I personally don’t agree with high taxes, but I still have to abide by the rules and laws or else I will be punished. If I suddenly declared that I now want to redefine my income as repayment of a debt for society’s privilege to have me, it doesn’t make it true, and it certainly wouldn’t keep the wolf from the door (the Revenue/IRS/IRD/ATO or whatever other authority it may be). It is downright delusional to think that he is not talking about rape.
rape Tourretes indeed
he looks at a car, tree, pop can, cloud – “it’s RAAAAAAPE!!!! I tell you!!!!”
I saw a bird flying today.
It was RAAAPE!!!!! I am totally convinced.
Again, you haven’t pointed to a specific example of a rape occurring.
The passage you quoted refers to him being persistent in bed, and propositioning the woman who is in bed with him, multiple times, for sex.
At any time that woman has the free will to leave his bed/home or to direct him to leave her home.
She is not a 10 year old lacking free will and she does not need to be treated as such.
Try again.
Any one starting a sentence with “As a man” is not a man. You are just a pathetic malesicle. Your kind will be simply breed out and die off naturally because you are weak and useless ‘heroes’. You are weak spiritually and emotionally. I cheer every time one like you gets shot and die trying to rescue a maiden in distress. You are a sexist POS and you have no place in the new millennium. Die.
And you are a Neanderthal moron. You have already died out you pathetic imbecile. Obviously I have to start the comment with “as a man” because (a) I want to separate myself from the likes of pseudo-men such as yourself, and (b) it is a gender based article, if I can call such utter gobshite an “article”.
Neanderthal lol…yes I am proud to have genes that make my immune system stronger and have a higher pain tolerance… but I’m sure you already knew that.
Perhaps I was a little harsh. I don’t wish you to die. I wish your mindset will die off. I was like you not long ago. Bound by traditional mindset and ready to sacrifice my self for women. Then I discovered manosphere and it changed my perspective entirely. It has truly liberated me in every aspect. It wasn’t painless and I questioned every theory and every concept just to come to a conclusion that it’s all true. You are a slave. You have been indoctrinated into a life of servitude. You live in the illusion of male dominance and you support and perpetuate this archaic rhetoric. Why? Because you know nothing else. You fear change. You cannot accept that women are just as capable as men. Men have been living with the same mindset for the last thousand years but it is coming to an end.
RoK isn’t the best place to get educated. This is a meka of all manosphere and there are many, sometimes conflicting ideologies. Never the less this place is progressive and you are the relic of the past. You need to wake up and I do hope this place will set you on the path of discovery.
This article is conjecture and I am frightened it will get you all shitty sex. She says no her hearts not in it, zip up and walk away to a woman that wants you or, build trust with that woman.
Now, if you are looking for a woman who likes to say no, you need a long chat with future sex partner about safe words the BDSM community are very clear, even they have safe ways of saying no.
Dominance is not about raping a girl, but being a man. This article does not show you guys to be dominant, I promise. A true dominant male can communicate and get what he wants, but communication is key. That way no one has horrific questions like, was I raped, did she want it, why did she say no.
In short – no means no, sometimes red is no.
Conjecture supported even by the women coming here to rage. Stop lying through your teeth!
Yet somehow, when it’s all said and done, the woman is “invariably happy that I didn’t listen to a single word of protest she uttered; that I barreled through her resistance nonchalantly and drove the ball to the basket. Women RESPECT this sexual insistence even if they aren’t acutely aware of it”
Show me one piece of proof. Then stop lying to yourself.
Enjoy Googling this afternoon.
Meh, I will just stick with my no means yes mantra, I will work tirelessly this afternoon to spread the word. And here is a fact for you, this exact scenario has happened to me. That is why you will find so many women and men admitting to this below. The more important question is why do you want to keep this information from the public?
Btw, nobody was talking about bdsm or rape. I bet you are a real sex positive whore. Lol
Most sex researchers since Kinsey have been dominated by left-liberals & feminists who have had an interest in promoting the idea of female sexual agency and in particular playing down the importance of heterosexual penetrative. With the exception of evolutionary biology / psychology most of its a reaction to Freud’s remarkable achievement in portraying women as basically grieving over their lack of dick
His article is unsupported by any facts, that is conjecture.
Also facts may include journals and or research.
Lolz! So much delicious rage. I was wondering how long it would be before another RoK piece pricked teh femtards’ delicate sensibilities; it was only a matter of time, and the subject was never in doubt – if there’s one thing guaranteed to get the girls frothing, one thing that feminists love above all else, one thing that they cannot live without – it’s RAPE. Lovely, lovely RAPE. RAPE, RAPE, RAPE-ITY RAPE!
ah, finally a diplomat
Are you not able to feel any empathy at all? What kind of person considers rape a joke? I suggest you read your post a couple of times and re-think. Don’t you have a mother? I guess you do. Where is she now, in kitchen while you are typing away in your little room? How would she feel if she knew what you just wrote.
Quote: “What kind of person considers rape a joke?”
George Carlin, for one. And I’ll take his counsel over yours any day of the week, chum.
I’m assuming this article is some kind of sick joke. I cant think anyone with a brain would actually REALLY think like this, so I will treat the author (who sounds like a right cunt) with the lack of respect he deserves.
You’re dead right Neil. Cunt is the only word to describe him.
its misogynist to use ‘cunt’ as a term of abuse. Germaine Greer did an entire programme on this, in which she pointed out that the worst thing you can call someone just happens to be the anglo-saxon for a woman’s genitalia. You walk the walk but you can’t talk the talk
Fair point.
yes, it is, although I was actually trying to rile you, but never mind
Why don’t you put your real name up and identify yourself as a women, a feminist and a fat one at that.
^cunt, or mangina cunt
flip a coin
and fuck Germaine Greer with your plastic dick too, like the misandrist femicunt from hell she is
interesting. I replied to a reply to the post you have replied to & now its gone….so are you a mod or did you just happen to be in the area. I was calling out his inconsistency! And for that you can lick the Fem ooze from my plastic dick when I’m done banging her……fyi back in 1970 or so when her powers of witchcraft were at their height she was actually very pretty. Think on that while the aging fem juice dries in the back of your throat
Don’t worry “steve” no man would ever try to rape you. You are undoubtably an obese, short haired sex positive feminist loser.
I can only assume that any attempt at raping you would have to be a case of mistaken identity. So how many hundreds of pounds over weight are you?
Lg I think you need a hug. Your mummy obviously didn’t love you enough (or maybe too much). Get back in your box Norman Bates.
You’re a piece of shit.
To whom it may concern 😉
That is fucking incredible Phantom.
As a gay man, I don’t have to deal with women sexually. But boy do I have the scoop on men. Men are hunters. And when a man is hunting for a man, all bets are off. There is very typically no nuance or subtlety. This is something that I personally feel many straight men envy about the gay community, because they usually cannot be this straightforward with women, given the long list of social precedents to which they’re expected to adhere. But let me tell you, this is not all it’s cracked up to be. When suddenly everyone is just looking for sex, and I do mean everyone, a culture of competition is put in place which is so hostile that everyone completely loses sight of courtship and chivalry, and sex becomes meaningless. This is how cavemen think. Am I calling gay men cavemen? In a sense, yes… because we’re still catching up. We are not expected to adhere to the same social precedents as heterosexuals, so we’re making up the rules as we go. We do not have the luxury of openly accepted social precedents, which heterosexuals seem to take for granted. So… all I’m saying is, learn from our example, and stop thinking like cavemen. Choose instead to evolve and leave her alone when she says no. After the orgasm, she’s probably not going to be impressed that you broke down her walls. In fact, she may secretly be humiliated at having lost sight of why that initial instinct to say no exists, to show that she has respect for herself! So please stop trying to prove her wrong. –drops the mic–
You seem like a real Rhodes Scholar Vincent. How are those “online businesses” coming along?
Ya and you founded eBay right? In fact is there a single online business that a women has founded that is of any consequence?
Amzn, nope. Google, nope. Facebook, nope….
First I have to say, I can’t believe there still people that don’t believe or understand NO MEANS NO!!!! You can attack me and call me names because I don’t agree with your childish remarks in this article or on the comments. I will probably sleep alright without your pat on the back. The comments give some real examples of women that play games with the word no in order to participate in a chace/seduction. This does happen.
Men sould assume that the no is genuine. The girl is the one that will let you know how to procede.
The article on the other hand tells a different story about men that don’t care about no and are driven by their baser need of sex. Ignoring the no in order to complete a conquest. It is sad and pathetic that men feel this need to get some sort of self and peer approval through sex.
If she says no then so be it. Find another girl. Some women do like to be chased but if the men were to take no for an answer and move on. those girls would change the game they are playing. Leaving the girls that mean no safe from fear of rape or being “talked into it”. If you have to talk a girl into it then you are with the wrong girl guys.
If this website is like this, and promotes rape culture as a acceptable alternative to being a decent person then I don’t think I will be back. The author of this article should be assamed of himself for publishing this kind of trash disguised as advice,
Sweetheart we can get you help.
Kind of proves my point about the website.
I get what you are saying, but not all women cry rape for the attention and validation.
Some women are raped by guys that should know better and can’t control themselves. They the come home and check this site or some other like it to be reassured they did exactly what they needed to and that they are still a man. Even though they can’t get a girl without force.
Pathetic, small minded, and a sad statement on how far we have really come in our culture. As long as there are websites to promote rape as an acceptable option then we will all have problems moving ahead.
Consent is the difference, and without it IT IS RAPE!!.
Yes, yes, of course, dear.
The first thing a man does after committing a violent crime is….
search the Internet for articles to read?
I think you missed your 3 pm meds, sweetie!
Why does he live in Thailand?
Because the trannies over there remind him of the feminists here in America. Probably allows him to do some travel without feeling to home sick.
“rape is essentially the act of ultimate validation and a rape accusation is the ultimate act of attention whoring. ..in fact, women have begun to routinely accuse men of rape purely for the ego validation that the onslaught of attention brings them.”
Do you hear how you sound? “Rape is the Act of ultimate validation” so your saying a man who rapes a woman is paying her the ultimate compliment? Someone rapes me or tries to have sex with me when I don’t want it I do not feel complimented. Do you know how painful rape is? Women who get raped can have internal bruising, ripping etc. I certainly would not feel validated by that. You seriously need to really think about what your saying. You should not be teaching men that no means yes but that respecting the no is important. Are you so driven by your penis that you can’t accept when a girl actually says no? If a girl says no LEAVE IT! Go find someone else who wants to!
“Women have began to routinely accuse men of rape purely for the ego validation that the onslaught of attention bring them” do you know how hard it is to report a rape and take it to trial? As a woman you report a rape and you take it to court your entire sexual history is dragged out and you are made to look like you asked for it and that your no meant yes. Or that because you went to their room you wanted it. But that honestly is not the case!! If your a woman and you go to a mans room you may not want to have sex with them! Maybe you genuinely do want to just spend time with them AS FRIENDS! But pushey men forcing you to go all the way with them is not what should be happening. Women want to be respected!! And a men should be a place of safety, not a place where as a woman you have to question every little signal your giving off.
I just think you seriously need to question what your putting out into the media! What you saying is basically if she says no she means yes, which is a dangerous game to play.
“As a woman you report a rape and you take it to court your entire sexual history is dragged out and you are made to look like you asked for it and that your no meant yes.” And?
How does that compare to be convicted of rape and going to prison for years?
Do *you* know how you sound?
AND that’s on top of being raped… Don’t be a rapist and you won’t go to prison at all?
I’ve been accused of stalking when I was in school.
I doubt there’s a strong correlation between perpetration and accusation.
“..do you know how hard it is to report a rape and take it to trial?” – I don’t know how it is in America, but in my country it is estimated that only 10% of all rapes are reported to the police. Reasons vary, but most victims seem to be ashamed and just want to forget all about it. After reporting police either takes things further or doesn’t – depends of how credible the case is.. so in the end maybe a handful of rapists get convicted. If they go to prison, it is for 6 months to 2 years. “Yippiee”. 🙁
I would not be surprised if the same thing would be happening in the US. Women feeling ashamed, not reporting, rapists getting away with it.
It’s funny. If somebody steals your wallet, not many people are there to blame you for not taking care of your property, and why you kept this wallet in clear sight and so on, and so on. But when it comes to rape, I guess victim is always to blame.
Dress it up all you like and tell yourself what you need to as a means to justify your misogynistic and rapey attitude… such a dirtbag.
Feminist drivel detected.
I’ve hit my breaking point with girls with rape fantasies, so lately as soon as I get a “no” I say “ok”, and head for the door.
After doing this a few times (along with tearful voice mails begging me to come back), they’ve all chilled out and/or adopted a safe word.
Does this, like, happen to you daily? Sorry, it is just very, very difficult to believe.
3-4 times a week, whenever I visit one of the girls I sleep with.
Every girl I meet, I hope she’ll be different. But they all end up the same: liking/preferring anal, rape/nonconsent fantasies, needing very rough sex, etc.
Sometimes I just want to make love.
Okay so you’ve decided that if the woman comes on to you after saying no than it is okay? Alright. I’m going to pretend that this seems morally acceptable. So what if the girl is too drunk to understand what she’s doing… Then what?
Why don’t you guys just start saying that once a women pours a drop of alcohol down her throat she instantly has Down Syndrome. She should be put in a straight jacket and locked up in solitary confinement where she will only be allowed to eat with a spork.
I mean do you hear yourself, how often do you get so drunk you don’t understand what was going on. I mean, I don’t think this has ever happened to me. Not remembering what happened the next day, maybe, but not understanding what is going on? Are you retarded or something?
Well, if a woman happens to be on SSRI-medication (Zoloft, or some other, you know, antidepressant), then alcohol can cause serious problems. Black outs, irrational behaviour. It doesn’t have to be like she’d drink a bottle of vodka. I just thought to tell you this.
If a woman happens to be on SSRI medication, perhaps she should be responsible enough to not mix alcohol with her medication.
The point is that by trying to lower the standard to the point where any amount of alcohol a woman consumes makes her “too drunk” to consent removes a woman’s agency, implying that female agency is conditional. If a woman has agency, she is responsible for her actions, such as consenting to sex.
So, which is it? Is a woman’s agency conditional or innate?
I think gentleman should never sleep with a girl who is totally wasted. Like, unable to speak, almost passing out.
“if the woman comes on to you after saying no than it is okay?”
women can’t have it both ways – if you want men to take what you say seriously, then don’t do that. If men are supposed to always accept what a woman says, then when she greenlights sex, is it then OK to have sex?
with your logic, men and women could never have sex, because even when she said yes the man is always supposed to know she really meant no
then again expecting any rational thinking from a feminist will end in tears
How about if you have any indication she doesn’t want sex, don’t do it? Like just an idea… According to some of the comments the worst outcome is that she gets a bit pissed off or you don’t get your precious dick wet, which I’m sure is the single most horrific things that could ever happen to you? Hey, beats being a rapist though…
How about the next time you apply for a job, if there is any indication there is a better candidate or the interviewer doesn’t like you, that you just walk out on the interview.
What would life be like if people didn’t try?
Yeah that would be a great analogy if I was forcing my penis into my interviewer…
That would be a poor analogy even if you had a penis. (And if you do have a penis, Martha, no judgments…)
Of course you seem to be forgetting the whole “consequences” bit that Martha mentioned. You see, in a job interview, making the wrong decision about whether or not you should assertive only runs you the risk of not getting a job. It’s bad, but it’s not as bad as say…getting clear sexual boundaries wrong. If you get those wrong…you usually go to prison.
Personally, I’d prefer not having sex than going to prison, wouldn’t you agree?
Again, who’s going to prison and for what, supposedly?
This article concerns itself with propositioning a woman for sex multiple times, while in bed.
As we’ve discussed elsewhere in the comments, a woman has the ability leave the bed/home or to instruct the man to leave her home.
Women don’t need to be treated like 10 year olds who lack the ability to interact with other human beings.
The job interviewer can kick the applicant out of the interview room, just like the woman can — if they don’t find the persistent follow-up interesting/flattering/an appreciated sign of interest.
You disrespectful piece of trash. In case you hadn’t noticed we are no longer living in the dark ages. I don’t care of she is naked and in bed with me, if she said no, then that means no. Also I believe fully consentual sex where all parties actually want it is far more enjoyable than when only one person is forcing the issue onto a reluctant partner, but doubt you would understand the concept of mutual pleasure and enjoyment.
Then go teach woman not to use the word “no” right before they jump on top of a guy for sex.
Ingrate.
Interesting, for all I know she could be saying no to something a sexual practice she doesn’t like. Either way if she’s playing games like that I’d simply stop things right there. No means no, and personally I don’t do games. Its only sex after all. And there is a whole lot more to life than a quick bunk up.
It is a game, whether you like it or not. You can’t win, you can’t lose, and you can’t quit. All you can do is play well, or play poorly.
You may think you’re quitting, with your White Knight bullshit, but you’re just playing poorly.
I think you are misguided, and to me of she says no and I stop things ok I don’t get sex that night, but neither does she. No means no. No games.
And I’ve seen enough on this page to know that most of the little boys posting on here masquerading as men will not change there opinions until after they find themselves in the dock claiming their innocence, and leaving a trail of ruined lives in their wake I won’t back again.
Like this article says, as a man in bed with a woman, you are permitted to proposition her for sex multiple times.
Women do not need to be treated like 10 year olds. They have functioning legs and if they are uncomfortable, can leave a man’s bed/home or direct him to leave hers.
Agreed, if you are in bed with a woman you can proposition her for sex, and it’s her right to say no. Just because she hasn’t left the bed doesn’t mean it’s a man’s right to have sex with her.
The author doesn’t say that. The author discusses propositioning repeatedly and the answer eventually becomes yes.
So basically harassment then.
Harassment?
This is not an office or place of business — this is his bed!
If a women is in bed with him, he can ask her any darn question he wants, as many times as he wants.
If she’s uncomfortable, she’s has 2 legs and can leave at any time she wishes.
(p.s. If you extend the term “harassment” to this situation, that word begins to become meaningless — or changes its definition to “an unsolicited statement or question voiced several times”.)
^yet another retarded White Knight mangina arrives at RoK
respect is earned not given
I never asked for, or expected to find any respect on this feed. And to be honest I don’t the respect of the rapists in training that litter this site with their mantra of “I’m best, I’m right” heres the news, All you’re doing is getting away with it.
dafuq r u talking about? I haven’t :”gotten away with it”
I have never raped a woman, nor will I ever. They have sex with me willingly, as adults, or they don’t. Many have chosen to say yes over the years, none have later accused me of rape. They actually had positive things to say about it, and more importantly, I know this to be a fact, because soon after, it has been my experience that their friends suddenly become much much more flirty with me – women talk with each other, obviously, or maybe they are just psychic.
women are like everyone else: respect is earned, not automatically given without any thought. feminists, judging by the things they say about men, deserve none from me
What am I talking about ? Erm that will be the original post then. And the concept that no means yes. None of you have never obviously taken the time to talk to victims of rape, and all the victims I know said no throughout the entire experience. I’ll say it again, no means no.
Of the 1100 or so commenters here, you rank high as one of the stupidest.
Thanks Fatty, you told another poster to come up with something more original, then you resort to ‘you’re stupid’ ! Please !.
Besides No still means no.
Where did you read that exactly?
This article discusses the fact that a man is permitted to proposition a woman he’s in bed with for sex multiple times.
Nice try to put words into his mouth.
Let me think where did I read that this article is about no meaning yes. That would be the title of the article then!
And maybe you missed it, but to me this article implies that as a man I shouldn’t accept a woman’s refusal to have sex.
Touche.
The article title is more attention-getting than the content itself. The article would have been better titled:
Sometimes Women Change Their Mind About Having Sex While They’re In Bed With You, and You Can Proposition Them For It Multiple Times
This article is disgusting.. Trying to validate forcing sec on a girl. Trying to say rape is a fucking compliment?! I hope the next girl that say no to you, when you keep going she fucking kills you, cause I would.
… Converting to homosexuality as of now!
No worries Gina, if you came here to post, you must be a disgustingly ugly feminist.
In other words, you won’t be missed!
I bet she’s way hotter than any of the nasty men posting on here supporting these horrible articles.
Good thing men aren’t just judged on their looks, like women are.
Yep, see, the men on this site are nasty inside and out.
Girls are such attention whores that if she had a decent photo she would have posted it.
But she can always get plastic surgery!
“I’ve had hour or more long battles with a girl who had come to my room
and then protested that she wasn’t going to have sex with me. Hell, it
just happened again yesterday. In the end, of course, we got naked. And,
she appreciated it after the fact. If a girl isn’t open to
being seduced she will either not come in or will precipitate hastily
from your room. Anything short of that is a green light.” That is pasted DIRECTLY from this article. This is the exact thinking that leads men to “legitimately” rape. You’re disgusting. I hope you never have any daughters, and if you do, I hope to god they learn from someone somewhere that they deserve respect.
I would teach my daughter not to whore it up.
Here is lesson number one for you sweetie. Don’t go to a mans room by yourself, if you are not ready to have sex. The reason is simple, he can overpower you at anytime. And I want my daughter to be safe, not a martyr for some trash feminist group.
I don’t need your lessons. I can think for myself. Here’s a lesson for you, sweetie. If you had any sexual prowess, you wouldn’t need to force yourself on a woman to have sex with her. And your daughter will never be safe as long as men like this are walking around.
I have never forced myself on anyone, doesn’t sound like the author has either. Both of us have run into last minute resistance though.
Hey I have an idea, if this article describes a rape shouldn’t you be submitting it to the police so you can get this guy charged?
Umm, why would his “sexual prowess” make a difference, as his scenario implies they haven’t had sex before?
I guess it’s too much to expect logical consistence from feminists.
“Don’t go to a man’s room by yourself, if you are not ready to have sex.”
Well, you know…unless the woman isn’t interested in sex. For all you know, she could’ve just wanted to talk. But then of course, said man ignores that possibility, and goes for it anyway. Then what?
Well, in the more likely scenario…that man would’ve rape an innocent woman…and he’d go to prison. Now of course, you can make all the little excuses you want about how “she gave you this signals”, or how she was “dressing provocatively”, you know, the usual shtick.
But then you’d have to ask yourself one question…is sex really worth that gargantuan of a risk?
In the long run, it’s easier to just accept the fact that sex isn’t some reward you’re “entitled” to, and to just move on if someone says “no”.
Thank you for being the voice of reason! Good opinions, smart writing.
^you write like a naive virgin who has never dealt with women in real life
it’s 2 AM, the bar is closing, you invite a girl who has been flirting with you for hours to go back to your place for a drink…wtf do you think a guy has in mind, looking at his stamp collection? watching a romantic comedy?
I assume she knows exactly what is going on here, as an adult. She may state before leaving the bar “We’re not having sex tonight!” I am not going to force her to have sex, but I will make a pass at her, trying to persuade her it’s a good idea. She in fact expects me to make a pass, that validates her feminine ego – if she wants a platonic companion she can go hang out with a gay male friend, women seem to have many of those. She can leave at any time, but she doesn’t. We make out on the couch for a while, maybe we end up having sex, or we fall asleep (it’s 4 AM now), or she gives me oral then says she’s calling a cab, or whatever….
There are more than 50 shades of grey here, many possible outcomes, none of which involve an actual rape (which is a crime) and the first ‘NO’ often means exactly nothing. Your simple minded attempt to make it a binary YES or NO that never changes does not reflect at all what happens in the real world every night between adult men and women.
Shut off the XBOX, get up off the couch, and go out into that real world. I was a doorman at a very popular nightclub for years, this stuff happens often every night of every week in every city.
I suppose that’s one possibility. Another could be that you
invite her to come home with you, and she plainly says “No”. Would you continue to push the issue then? I mean, if you did, you’d dangerously close to entering harassment territory. Hey, but let’s continue on with your hypothetical.
While it’s a perfectly plausible scenario, it’s not one with a guaranteed outcome. You’re still assuming that “If a man does “X thing”, then sex must happen”. Ironically, you’re using a bit of video game logic yourself (at least if you’re familiar with Bioware games).
Oh, by the way, ad hominems don’t count as a valid point.
“that you invite her to come home with you, and she plainly says “No””
well the bar is closing, and I’m leaving. If she chooses not to come with me, then she does not come home with me. We leave, together, or separately. Maybe I get her number, maybe I don’t. Maybe we get together later, or we don’t. Maybe I see her the next weekend, and then we hookup, or maybe we don’t. I don’t have to “push the issue”, as I am not that desperate, there are many women who will say “YES!!!”
I am not talking about hypotheticals here, this is a from my real life experiences. Exactly how many women have you taken home at 3 AM? I can’t recall, exactly, but over many years it is a large number for me. I used to bring home someone damn near every night. Maybe all of them secretly meant “NO!!”, but they sure did not say that, and we ended up in bed at 4 AM.
Actually, that last possibility…would still be rape.
Right, but I live in the world of reality, and in said reality, not all life experiences are universal. Yours is no exception to that rule.
Are you not actually reading what he wrote or do you just have Rape Tourette’s?
He wrote:
You responded:
Kindly explain how this “rape” occurred.
Did it occur when he invited the woman to his place and she accepted?
Maybe it occurred when they jumped on the bed together?
Oh, I know — it happened when she was moaning during sex and thrusting her hips.
Yeah — that’s the ticket — that’s when the rape occurred.
/faceplam
((Concern trolling: you’re only hurting your own cause of rape awareness with this level of ridiculousness.))
I’d say he is just a virgin who has never taken a woman home.
and he has Rape Tourettes
we men are just wrong, those feminists are all correct, of course, go here to get the facts about “All PIV is rape” of course!!!!
http://witchwind.wordpress.com/
the Blogger there must have been cloned, as her mother and father must have had sex, and that was obviously rape too – in fact, everything in the universe is apparently rape, according to her
Oh hai ad hominem
“Don’t go to a mans room by yourself, if you are not ready to have sex.” It’s not that simple. What if you trust the man, what if he has said that he’ll not chase you to bed? Should women really start to consider men as dangerous animals, unable controlling their urges?
I do believe we all, men and women, are able to keep ourselves under control. Rape is just not some accident waiting to happen. It is an action, a crime.
Ummm, sweetie? The scenario you made up describes a crime.
If a woman is in the midst of being a victim of any violent crime (murder, assault, rape, kidnapping), experts usually say she should:
* call 9-1-1, if possible
* alert the neighbors by yelling “fire”
* talk down the attacker, by mentioning the criminal punishments the attacker will face
* use her nails, and anything sharp or heavy nearby to harm her attacker
* attack the assailant’s vital organs, including pressure points, groin, kidneys, etc.
That is what a woman should do if she is in the middle of being attacked.
By [feminist] definition a woman that decides to stop using her dildo while masturbating is being raped.
There are real rapists they don’t need articles or books , they’re fucking rapists.
Banning books always makes them less popular and suppresses the ideas contained in them. Hah!
Or how about just…NOT raping anyone? I mean, it’s just a thought and the idea seems pretty fool proof. And the exchange is actually pretty effortless too. Watch.
Man: “Hey baby, wanna crash at my place?”
Lady: “No thank you.”
Man: “Okay then” *leaves*
…and that’s it. No emotional damage. No court cases. Nothing.
Try reading, moron.
This article does not discuss how to rape.
No, but there is this odd attitude of “Oh, she said no? Oh, well then I guess you just didn’t do it right. Try again.”…Which is actually the wrong attitude to take. I’m sorry, but people aren’t magic 8-balls that change their answer if you shake them enough. A “No” will always mean a “No”, unless the partner in question says otherwise.
You implicitly contradict yourself in the span of two sentences.
So, which is it?
1) People do not change their answers about having sex.
2) People can change their answers about having sex whenever they wish, including under prodding.
Well let’s just say it’s usually not in the same night you asked the first time. I’d be willing to bet it’s that.
I’ll admit my own miscommunication on that, and for that, I do apologize. So let me just make it perfectly, perfectly clear.
Sex isn’t reward. It’s not something you’re “expected” to have if you “charm” someone the right way. It’s not an entitlement. At the end of the day, it’s a mutual agreement; one that BOTH parties have to decide on THEIR OWN. No pressures. No “prodding”. You just simply lay the offer on the table, and talk. If after that, she still plainly says, “No, I’m not interested”, then you simply have to accept that, and move on.
“No pressures. No prodding” for sex?
Well then, we better outlaw first dates and second dates.
Many men ask out women to whom they’re sexually attracted. In many cases, the first several meetings with the woman are an attempt to pave the way toward sex (and relationships).
Those funny stories about the guy’s travels in South America? The subtle mention of the trust fund left by the wealthy grandparent?
The sly innuendos about sexual performance and the electric touches to the forearm and lean-in to build sexual suspense? The cute anecdote about the family road trip and caring for his niece’s skinned knee?
Unless the woman started the date with the intention to have sex with the man, each of those things is an attempt to pressure and prod her decision.
what about when the woman says at 8 pm that she can’t stay out past 11 pm? If his delightful stories and touching convinces her to have sex later that night — he overrode her stated wishes.
That’s immoral and should be illegal, right?
In your little ideal world, any communication or actions designed to influence a decision on having sex is verboten.
What about when a woman is attracted to a handsome, confident, wealthy, famous man? Will you prohibit her from using a push-up bra and makeup? Is it unethical for her to drop her keys for him to pick up, or to seduce him with coy smiles and giggles?
Your “perfectly, perfectly clear” rule isn’t so crystal clear anymore, is it?
What do you think a first date is? It’s an offer that you
extent towards your potential partner. An offer that said partner has every right to say no to. Unless of course…you’re the type of person who constantly tries to ask out the same person over and over again even after they’ve said no…in which case, you’d have some much deeper problems than finding sex.
I’ll agree with you to an extent that intention often differs from person to person. Some people just aren’t attached to any one singular person. However….this whole mental dance you just described…that still counts as the offer. The said man is sweetening his offer by accentuating some of his more positive points. He’s yet to take way any sort of agency from the women. Now…if he continues to do this, even after she’s made it completely clear that she isn’t interested in any sort of sexual relationship whatsoever…then it becomes “prodding” or “pressure”, which is rather selfish.
Meh…now you’re getting into a sort of strawman territory. My “offer” analogy still stands. Yes, the man could do all of these things to try to convince otherwise…but if she makes it absolutely clear, evening going so far as to say, “I don’t want to have sex with you, go away.”…then there’s not much the man can do…no unless he wants to go into some rather illegal and harrassy territory.
Fine then, I’ll use your own language (with my edits) to prove the point.
If a woman is in a man’s bed, he is permitted to make that “offer” (as you put it) multiple times.
Yup, at any time that a woman no longer wishes to be propositioned for sex, she can leave his home or tell the man to leave her home.
Again, the situations you’re providing now do not comport with your ridiculous, over-the-top initial statement about supposed “rape” and “NOT raping anyone”.
WTF is with that avatar, sport? You think you’re Che fucking Guevara or what?
Actually, it’s a yellow Wario hat. It’s to honor the memory of an internet personality who just last week, took his own life.
Oh no, but please, do continue on with your ad hominem comedy routine.
It’s actually a yellow Wario hat. It’s to honor the memory of an internet personality who just last week took his own life.
…Oh, but do continue on with your ad hominem comedy routine. I’m sure it’ll make you sound so clever and charming.
what the actual fuck did i just read
can’t you feminists come up with any better one sentence non-sequiters
Bored until I found this article and now I am highly amused by the daft rants from silly little boys thinking they are not just superior but men??! No. Just stupid boys trying their best to sound highly intelligent. So funny. Thanks for the entertainment boys. Hilarious!!
Omg, wow, just wow! Lulz, you go girl!
and you Lg are almost the funniest! almost but not quite – keep trying!
Thank you madam, does this mean we are fucking?
Before you answer that, I want you to think real hard.
oh certainly not after all i am certainly not worthy of such a fine creature such as yourself, I am just so lucky you replied to my post – swoon – lucky me!
So is this a soft no, or a real no? Because sometimes when women say no, there is still some playful flirting or body language that suggests they in fact mean yes.
ohhh i am not sure – i must go and ask a male, I am not really sure of this body language stuff – sorry forgive my ignorance – will let you know after I speak to a superior one – I feel so stupid – silly me
If you want I can give you the “you are not a whore” speech. That usually seems to calm you sex positive types down.
I honestly havent heard the “you are not a whore” speech – enlighten me please – sorry – i must seem pretty clueless to you oh clever one
Oh you’ve heard it, you just didn’t recognize it. These are all the conversations you have had right before sex. What did you think you were talking about. That is what the author is describing. Using game to give a women plausible deniability that she is a whore.
Think back to all those conversations, and if you are a feminist I am sure they number in the hundreds, that is the “you’re not a whore speech.”
ohhhh – but what if I have never had sex – ever – you are taking for granted I have and I am not a feminist, they amuse me just as much as you do – I am merely a simpleton in awe of one with such knowledge and intelligence – I bow down to you sir!
If you have never had sex? Lmao, roosh I am donating money next week. This is better than HBO.
Alright gentleman I am out good luck with your approaches and your speeches this weekend!
no fucking kidding, a fucking virgin lecturing men on how and what to do with women about sex
next up, a girl who has used a knife to butter bread will lecture a brain surgeon on how to perform an operation
random reader please read the comments carefully before you make such a stupid reply – exactly where is the lecture to men on how and what to do with women about sex in “amused” comments??????? idiot!! read it and try to understand it before commenting you just sound stupid! obviously this went over your head moron!! angry little boy!
“now I am highly amused by the daft rants from silly little boys thinking
they are not just superior but men??! No. Just stupid boys trying their
best to sound highly intelligent. So funny.”
do I have to draw you a diagram?
“obviously this went over your head moron!! angry little boy!”
you really won that one on logic points…ok, maybe not
Ill admit I’m an angry asshole. that’s just how i roll.
Yes, please draw a diagram as the comments you have taken the time to highlight do not actually mention sex and women, just the fact that “amused” thought many of the posts on this page are made by silly boys not the intelligent men they claim to be! if you see the comments as telling the boys how and what do with women amd sex please draw the diagram. Failing that go comment on a post you actually understand. you are just proving Amuseds point – silly little boys
Bud you have life all wrong, just kill yourself please!
You should never tell somebody to kill themselves. I don’t care what their opinions are or how they look at the world. That’s just something you don’t do.
you first, show us how it should be done
This is very ignorant piece of writing…You fail to take into account the fact that women have the whole guilt thing about sex…They may pretend not to want it so they dont seem too keen/like a whore…Personally Ive never played this game…I wanted sex and I went and got it but some women still are steeped in the laws that religion placed on us as a gender. Im not excusing this behaviour but you seem to have no idea how things are for women, even in the 21st C…. BDSM play should be talked about in depth beforehand so that boundaries are clear, ‘no’ being a word used as part of sexplay. BDSM play is not rape. Role play is not rape. It is makebelieve.
Its so great to see all the good guys on this page. Im not surprised as I think most guys are good. There is a percentage of the population who is ”empathy-deficient” – male and female – and these are the arseholes/bitches. These are the people who cannot empathise with others and range from narcissists to full-blown psychopaths. The feminists are wrong and you lot on here are wrong…for different reasons. The feminists are referring to you and mistakenly think that all guys are like you. You have this strange slant on women maybe because you had terrible mothers but also because you only care about yourselves….you are two-dimensional parasites and the world is waking up to your bullshit.
Oh, of course, Ezme Green.
A woman feeling ‘guilt’ makes it perfectly okay for women to delegitimize the word “no” by using it moments before they initiate or demand sex.
Go back to your BDSM fantasties about a Sherlock Holmes actor and quit your ranting here.
“Women have guilt about sex”
WTF,.. women don’t feel guilt. Guilt is related to honour, a male trait.
If women don’t feel guilt for sending a man to jail stemming from a false rape claim, an recent epidemic that sees many men spending years rotting in jail for a crime they didn’t commit, then how can women feel guilt over blue balls.
Get that shit out of here.
You’re an example for one of the empathy-deficient ones.
“…the world is waking up to your bullshit.”
It seems more like the other way round to me.
This comment section is filled to the brim with little boys. A man, a real man, can control himself, has respect for others, a real man doesn’t need to be forceful. A real man wouldn’t feel entitled to take something that isn’t his to take.
It’s pretty fucking clear that the commenters and the author of this article aren’t men at all, they’re spoiled little boys who are clearly used to getting what they want and most likely had weak female influences during their childhoods.
A real man can get what he wants without forcing himself on a woman. A real man knows how to treat a woman with respect. Only a little boy would be so disrespectful. Only a little boy would force his will on another.
I honestly cannot take any of you boys seriously.
You forgot the obligatory “mom’s basement”, “small penis”, and “insecure”
You’re boring us to tears. Dredge up an original thought…. please?
a real man blah blah blah
Also, No True Scotsman fallacy.
No means NO. Any man that does not understand this deserves to have his dick rot off.
Quit your ranting here and teach that to the many woman who say “no” before initiating sex moments later.
This entire fucking website makes me sick to my stomach. NO ALWAYS MEANS NO YOU STEAMING PILE OF HORSE SHIT. FUCK YOU
Again, stop ranting and raving here and go teach that to women women who say ‘no’ before the jump on top of guys and demand sex.
Also, screaming and ranting does not win over anybody, feminist. But you already knew that.
you smell bad, go have a shower
You just said NO and than you’re saying FUCK YOU. Make up you mind woman.
Its times like this I wish I was a lesbian
Please do so and become their problem. Good riddance, sister
Thanks to Roosh’s “can I use your bathroom” line and after crushing through about an hour of LMR, I achieved a +1 last night. Great advice here.
For anyone who misunderstands me, she thanked me afterwards and wrapped herself around my body as she slept all night. Something tells me her resistance really was a front.
if women are so dumb, how come they have a higher graduation rate than men? men may have dominated in the past due to physical strength and size, but i believe on a level playing field women are better equipped to excel in the modern world. they do however have the handicap of carrying children for nine months and usually doing most of the rearing so perhaps there will always be an imbalance. women’s brains mature faster, and are less reactive to perceived threats of dominance that hinder men maximizing their potential.
– Ben
You actually haven’t learned critical thinking skills have you?
“men dominated because of physical strength….”
Pythagoras, Thomas Euler, Pascal Lagrange, William Shakepseare, Albert Einstein, Nikolai Tesla .. well I’ll think I’ll stop, this list is never ending… well they aren’t famous because of their brawn.
Women graduate not because they are smarter, outcomes are declining. Women are obaining more accreditation because greater weighting is being placed on female traits and males are being intentionally impaired.
You’re not a smart man ben, you are amongst our dumbest.. seriously, we a re doing you a favour when we say leave the thinking to us.
Getting liberal arts degrees is not an achivement. We have enough barristas already.
You ASK for sex? That’s where you’re going wrong. You don’t ask. Set up the situation where she wants it. Very simple. Change your picture.
Shhh