It’s a well-worn cliché that travel provides a cornerstone for masculine development. This blog’s creator and many other like-minded quality writers have shown us that getting out of one’s comfort zone is a necessity for a man to grow into himself. There is a reason that ROK’s travel archive is bursting with stories of picking up girls in Brazil, language study and culture shock in Eastern Europe, and why every man should go on a pilgrimage. We learn from putting ourselves in unfamiliar situations so that we can be better equipped for our lives.
In contrast to this purpose, I’ve noticed a growing issue in modern western dating culture—the rise of “travel bug” females who fetishize the stamping of their passports over any type of sustained self-development. From the “let’s sit at a tropical resort” tedium to the backpack-across-Europe-and-get-drunk-in-hostels phenomenon of rich white twentysomethings, I’ve reluctantly come to the conclusion that traveling rarely makes a female any more interesting or desirable. This is why:
1. There is no struggle
When a man travels (on a non-prepackaged deal or tour), he has to earn every bit of his enjoyment. Just for basic living purposes, a man is forced to navigate a place amidst a foreign tongue, figure out the local cuisine, and learn which areas he can and cannot go at night. This says nothing of the steps necessary for ensuring a fun trip, including maximizing the logistics of his living arrangements, finding the best nightlife spots, forming relationships with locals, and figuring out how to attract the country’s women. It is in these moments of uncertainty and occasional struggle that character and self-knowledge is forged.
Girls know little of that—people will bend over backwards to help a young American female because they know she is, in all likelihood, in their country to get drunk and find a mysterious foreigner for anonymous EatPrayLove sexcapades. The locals will put on their best attempts to speak English, buy them drinks, show them around the city, and protect them from interlopers. The increased risk of “danger” to females while traveling is often mitigated by staying in close-knit groups of fellow travelers, which does promote safety but retards the rate at which learning and self-development can occur.
2. It doesn’t lead to any deeper understanding of the world
Most girls travel to “YOLO.” We men are certainly guilty of traveling partially to fulfill our carnal desires, but it’s obvious that the best travel bloggers have gotten far more out of their adventures than simple sex stories. Men use travel to develop an understanding of human nature and contrast the lifestyles and traditions of other cultures with their own. Often they find foreign lifestyles and ideals to be superior to their own, leading to an important questioning of one’s worldview. Have you ever heard a woman wax philosophical about the superiority of lifestyle in another country? This type of self-reflection rarely occurs, and when it does, it is cut short by the realization that they have it much easier at home, where feminism gives them myriad rights and few of the responsibilities bestowed upon women in other cultures.
3. The Pokemon mentality
I’ve heard countless stories of girls collecting stamps on their passports, traveling several different countries over the course of a short time. What’s the point of this type of scattershot journey? Much like the interest in possessing the newest iPhone, handbag or, BMW, having the fullest passport is the newest status symbol among educated upper middle class Anglophones. It provides a “Well, when I was in…” conversation piece that they can use to dominate a conversation and show their worldliness. In the worst cases, they think “catching them all” makes them more experienced in life, often to the point of talking down to those who actually have a much better depth of understanding from their travels.
I’ve been on many dates with girls that have traveled far more than I have, yet most of their stories revolve around getting drunk in bars with other English speakers or taking pictures of their meals at expensive, tourist-focused restaurants. Relatively few have taken time to learn a foreign language on their own, formed lasting relationships with locals, or push themselves from their comfort zone to solve problems while abroad. Though your initial instinct may be to respect a woman as more worldly and educated due to a well-traveled past, I would caution against it. Often, it is the very opposite.
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being a dark-skinned travel this nailed it for me. I look like one of the locals and no-one gave a fuck about me. Estoy apprendiendo espanol y 6 mes tardes esta es mejor. You pretty much nailed, finding what the locals eat, how to attract the local women and logistics and day to day routines. This motivates me even more to move to Ecuador. I was disappointed when I went to Costa Rica there was a McDonalds every 400ft. Papa johns, Pizza huts, Subways, and quizznos were everywhere. It really takes away the feel of South and Central America I love and accustomed to.
yeah, San Jose, Costa Rica is a real bummer. Seeing all the American chain stores is just a sickening feeling. Makes you see how treacherous and greedy modern corporations have become, when you see an ugly-assed Subway or Pizza Hut sitting right next to some historical architectural marvel. But the more rural parts of the country are awesome. Maybe someday these foreign McDonalds will be firebombed and ransacked by angry locals.
On the firebombing part, I doubt it. Those things are there and *growing* because the locals participate in giving them money to stay and grow.
yeah, I know, but a fella can dream…
It sucks to becasue alot of the women are fat from eating these chains as well. When I got there I was like I don’t want to pay 800usd flying down here just to eat at a fucking McD’s
More importantly, who wants to pay 800usd to fly down there to have only fatties as fuck choices?
Countries should have their tourism departments make sure that there are always a bunch of nice, submissive, young, pretty, virginal cunts waiting at the airports for when men arrive.
Both Philippines & Kenya have ladies trying to pick me up when I arrive. Actually had a girl a Kenya almost convince me that she was the one that I was suppose to meet at the airport. She was on a streak of lucky answers till I asked her last name. Was really pretty funny as she started stuttering.
Why is that the only way you might get laid? Good lord
Man stop with the Bullsh#t “greedy corporations” nonsense. They are there because there is a market for them. They are desired and wanted. If they weren’t they wouldn’t thrive in the first place.
Second, we Americans (and by extension westerners) love to go “slumming” in poorer countries and tout the virtues of simple living. The whole time forgetting that the only reason we have the money, and leisure time to do such frivolous travel is because of our well paying western lifestyle and benefiting from the higher standard of living our “incorporated” cocoon provides back home.
I agree – for us – it’s better that that stuff stay back home, but remember you have the advantage of having the option to come and go as you please. The majority of those beautiful third world darlings and “hard working happy men” you interact with are stuck; in what for them, is a not so forgiving life.
We go there to escape the luxuries and excess of the west; they dream of improving their homeland (or leaving) to the very thing we are trying to escape, if only temporarily.
When I was living in Germany and Italy I could always spot the American women easily. They all stick out like sore thumbs. American men were a bit more difficult to distinguish because for the most part they at least tried to blend in with the culture and environment around them. Don’t even get me started on the married American couples, good lord, easy to tell who wears the pants in American marriages.
American women stick out like sore thumbs because, often, they are actually shaped like sore, swollen thumbs. Like empanadas wearing sunglasses.
you just won the,”Comment of the article award”
I’d much rather come across American female tourists, rather than Australian ones.
The stereotyped annoying ‘american tourist’ of the 70/80’s has been replaced by the dickhead loudmouth Aussie tourists, that seem to now circle the globe constantly……. covered in all the usual bullshit tourist fuck-I’m-cool decorations.
7 day “I’m too cool to shave” hipster beard.
Leather shoelace wrist bracelet.
Bottle of overpriced Fiji artesian bore water in side backpack pocket.
Ankle/shoulder butterfly, ying yang or Ankh tattoo from phuket/bali.
Cool-as-fuck $120 birkenstock sandals.
^Funnny coz it`s totally true!
I’ve never seen such people, and I live in a major city!
Of course, I’m not denying their existence. I’m just glad I haven’t bumped into them. Yet.
At the same time though, I’ve bumped into much worse.’
We call them bogans here, and avoid them at all costs. Not just at home, but anywhere you come across them
Dont worry.
As an American I can vouch for the fucking gay-ass retardation of our citizenry here. You are way too kind.
What do you mean “spot them” …. i can hear an american women long before i see her … just today i had two Americans on my bus and i could hear them from all the way on the top deck.
Yes, plus women are usually traveling on a man’s dime. He paid for everything and planned it all out, and she just comes along for the ride. She doesn’t have to think about anything or figure out any problems, or even work hard to save the money for the trip. It all just falls right in her lap. And yes, the main two reasons women like to travel is 1. To make some chump spend an inordinate amount of cash on her, and 2. To brag to her frienemies about how much better and more sophisticated she is for going out of the country to stay at Hiltons and eat at TGI Fridays.
Don’t forget the girls that are traveling on their father’s dime and continuing the 24/7 fuck and suck fest that university aged women partake in.
Can’t imagine what is going through Dad’s mind. Maybe it’s some sort of incestuous cuckold fantasy
mileage on the clock decreases the value, no matter what brand of vehicle she is.
Dad is a blue pill beta who wants his little princess to enjoy all the things he never had. Who cares if she ends up strung out on drugs at 24, with three abortions already in the can and a case of HPV? At least she got to “find herself”!
Which is why, if I ever end up having a daughter by some chance, she isn’t going to be entitled to jack shit.
She’s going to “find herself” by working hard and learning that old school is the best school….
I hope at least. Now that I think about it the prospect of trying to raise a child(let alone a female child) in this culture is terrifying. Perhaps it’s time to resume my research into emmigration.
everyone around me who I’ve seen have daughters in the past 10 – 20 years has absolutely spoiled the shit out of them, turning them into whores, druggies, party girls, users, manipulators, and lazy bitches. Currently watching several female toddlers being raised by friends/family and it’s so obvious they are on the same path. Their precious little daughters will be doing their first amateur porno by age 16, ingesting cocaine for the first time at 17.
The more cute the little girls are, the worse they get spoiled and pampered by their parents. It’s really sickening and horrifying to watch. These idiot parents think they are doing well, when all they are doing is destroying a young person’s chances at being a well-adjusted adult.
If I had a daughter she would resent the hell out of me for the way I raised her……until she got to her twenties and realized how right I was about everything.
Nah, not always. My daughter is in her teens and decent, well mannered, pretty, can cook and bake and enjoys doing it, all that. The very notion of “daddy’s little princess” has always repelled me, so I don’t engage in it with her. She’s got her own set of issues, she is female after all, but still. She’ll be of working age in a year and is already scoping out what kind of job she wants to take to earn spending and gasoline money when the time comes.
And, to your point, she doesn’t resent me, and yours won’t resent you, if you do it right. Consistency, a firm but guiding hand, following through not only in punishment but also in your word when you tell her you’ll do XYZ, implanting the notion that “boys will have to meet up to my standards” from the time she’s talking forward, and did I mention consistency (girls learn their real shit testing from 7th grade forward), these help a daughter grow up proper. Throw in a good relationship with the mom where the daughter gets to see how a proper male/female relationship should work, and you’ll do fine.
as a 23 yr old female with a dad like that, you’re spot on buddy. The last paragraph is almost he same as what was in his last fathers day card.
So true, if I had a daughter, I would feel the only way I could remotely protect her virtue as a woman in the midst of a very evil culture, would be to send her to a nunnery. Fathers can’t even marry their daughters off anymore. I feel the most disgusted when I see these bitch dads and whore moms, parading their little future slut daughters around in the spring and summer, with short shorts and yoga pants. I think t myself, what fucking decent parent would think “hey it’s ok to sexualize my daughter a bit.” If men fantasize about “creampieing” or sodomizing my 12 yr old, that’s their problem, my daughter will express herself. It’s one thing if these were isolated incidents, but another when this has become the norm. And then, when these girls turn 16, 18 and eventually the age of no return 21, there parents gasp in horror or either cowardly acceptance when they learn their precious little whores, had 10 abortions, did an amateur porno on the side, and fucked the entire varsity squad.
maybe my mom paid for her trip ? come on
I travelled for 6 months by myself, and the only money I was given from anyone else was for my birthday (and I’m talking 200 bucks). I paid for everything, I planned it all out, I thought about everything and figured out all of my own problems, I worked 6 days a week to make enough money to pay rent and groceries and save up for my trip. Nothing fell right into my lap. I left my boyfriend, to travel the world by myself.
No chump spent an inordinate amount of cash on me.
I don’t have frenemies, and I’m no better than my friends. I am, however, better and more sophisticated than all you dickheads here, but not because I went out of the country, stayed at hostels every night, ate at street vendors, overcame both malaria and typhoid without a “man to take care of me” (or anyone for that matter). Simply because you guys are sexist, racist, close minded, unintelligent, belittling, narcissistic, selfish, bitter, game-lacking idiots who hide behind a computer screen and bitch about women, probably because you have massive troubles finding a woman who will sleep with you or go on more than one date with you. (Gee, I wonder why.)
I should also mention, one of my good friends travelled with a boyfriend, and she paid for almost the whole trip.
The only women I have met during my travels who try to learn something from their experience are cult europeans, australian hippie-feminists and americans who have reached the Wall.
I have yet to meet an american, british or australian woman under 28 who travel other than to get drunk, yolo, or post stuff on instagram.
jeez black knight, SOMEone’s a judgy lil bitch
” Have you ever heard a woman wax philosophical about the superiority of lifestyle in another country?”
I have not heard them wax philosophical about it but I’ve heard many women profess the superiority of non-western civilizations.
Of course, they’re full of it but they do.
GETTING OUT OF THE COMFORT ZONE, this is why I chose Hungary over France, why the fuck are you going to Hungary? Well for starters everyone goes to France on Exchange besides, all the ERASMUS from the western countries figured it out and have realized exchanges in Poland, Hungary and former Czechoslovakia are the best because they’re cheap as fuck to live and they are not 100% westernized yet. But really 95% of the hundreds of students who go abroad at my school wouldn’t dare to step over the former iron curtain because they are pussies and are afraid of change.
And even the other tourists in those places are more interesting. Every tourist I met in Budapest (not even that obscure) was an avid reader, had interesting stories and thoughts. In Paris or Amsterdam they just talked about stupid shit like TV shows. Is there nothing more interesting to ask a Frenchman than what American football players he knows?
Obviously it’s better to meet locals, but sometimes you fall in with other foreigners, and the foreigners in Sofia are a hell of a lot more intriguing than in Munich.
You definitely fall in more with other foreigners than locals, also Hungarians are a very strange compared to there germanic neigbors to the west and slavic to the east and south, when your surronded by exchange students you tend to hang around with them, I learned more French than Hungarian; that being said Hungarian doesn’t make sense to anyone…
I too have noticed an increase in the amount of women who love “traveling” and in the number who claim to love the gym. I’ve come to the conclusion that traveling, like going to the gym is simply a kind of fashion statement to most women. What I tend to find is that most women “travelers” are in actual fact just taking what used to be called a holiday (or vacation). What they are in love with is the idea, but rarely do they actually have the guts to do some actual traveling in the sense that men use the term. Numerous times I have spoken to girls about doing some traveling and they always agree that they would love to do it too but when i say that i plan to take the train from London to Kazakhstan (for example) they look at me blankly like I am crazy. Traveling to women is partying in Thailand or getting fucked in Goa by a hippy. I think it’s a similar thing to women who love “bad boys” or who say they like their men “tall, dark and handsome”. What they actually mean is they want a man with a few tattoos not the serial drug addict thief. Tall dark and handsome means a white guy with a tan not a punjabi man. Traveling means going somewhere seemingly exotic but actually very mainstream not the kind of cultural exploration that a lot of men do.
Absolutely agree with this. When I travel with my wife she’s interested in seeing the “official tourist approved sites”, whereas I’d be content to find the restaurant without a sign out front where the locals eat to sit and observe and chat. She walked across the main Vegas drag seeing every “official” thing in a 2 hour stretch, whereas I went to old Vegas and found a place that had a midget on the bar top pouring drinks down people’s throats (pretty sure it was absinth too, it fucked me up bad) and visited some of the original historic casinos where Dean Martin, Sinatra and the rest of the Rat Pack used to hang out. Walked on the very same carpet as Dean motherfuckin’ Martin and was served at the same bar that magnificent band of drunkards got wasted at many a night in the way back years. That means something to me, but to her, meh, not interested….hey, look, it’s Circus Circus! This is why she rarely takes road trips with me on the bike, I like to stop in the most outlandish or odd places just to look around and investigate, it’s a great way to ride. Her, all business, point A to point B, hurry hurry please. Nah.
Yeah I’ve had the same thing many times before. Women hate wandering off the beaten track or even just going somewhere that isn’t in the official guidebook. Although we live in the modern world with all its comfort and safety, at the heart of it, men who explore are following the same instinct that drove the famous explorers of by gone times.
I have met one woman who liked to just explore things. It was on a business trip, she’s jewish, a mother, and about as unattractive as a woman could be. In fact she’s about the worst travel partner anyone could be stuck with, but she did want to visit out-of-the-way places.
your overthinking something that’s really very simple…..the women you associate with are boring.
You would be surprised just how many women actually do want the serial drug addict thief. It’s like, “OMFG jesus is coming back!” type moments.
im pretty sure tall dark n handsome is now extemted to all races now. before it was used to describe clark gable a white dude with a tan olive tone complexion. the tall dark n handsome troupe typically fell into the latin lover troupe. back then they didnt want to see pale feminie lookin men. now this troupe alsi includes pale men with black hair too.
but tradiontionally olive tone was ideal like that of a latino italiann greek spainard arab or persian….some north indians too.
Lol Punjabi do it best.
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Yes, women who like to travel…
I always wonder where the money is coming from that enables them to rack up the stamps on their passports. To be able to travel multiple times a year, not seldomly to quite exotic places, and topping it with wining and dining at luxury hotels. If they earn just 77 cents on a dollar, how *exactly* are they able to finance those “fabulous” lives? Do they have a tree that grows money?
I would guess these bitches are sucking lots of dick and giving out lots of ass.
That plus they are all debt-ridden, let’s face it
rich daddies
They run up piles of debt, and have no assets. Then they look for a sucker to buy them a house when they start getting closer to 30. So many moronic men marry sluts who made good dime, but spent on shoes, vacations and shit.
Exactly. Despite all the feminist bullshit about equality, women go marching into marriage with the mindset that its the man’s responsibility to buy the house. Or, more ideally, already have one bought and paid for, ready for them to march in with their shoes and handbags.
Most women reach 30 without a pot to piss in. And its exactly as you say. They spent all their cash on things that have zero residual value.
They’re spending every last penny they make. No savings, minimum payments on debt. Every guy from my circle of high school friends who got married in his early 30s had his savings wiped out by the new bride’s debt.
As a dude abroad right now with wife: Dressing like shit is an American phenomenon. While in Europe I always feel at ease dressed well with a tucked in shirt, while in the USA this is called dressing old. 2. No fat chicks, hardly. I’m in Spain, and the women are in natural shape, don’t abuse hair dye, and have great tits. 3. Traveling with your spouse is so lame, and this isn’t the first time. Have a great wife, but when you’re traveling with one you ain’t chasin’ tail, so next step is to scope out historic sites between food. Women have no palate for history, and she is lost whenever we go places and guys mention time periods etc. 4. World is getting flatter daily, the bottom ladders of society love pit bulls in every land and it’s hard to find any shit not made in china in the western world. Southern Spain used to be known for its leather goods, that’s gone now. 4. American women can be spotted a mile away, but sadly the natives are also falling for wearing tight black sweat pants, err I mean yoga pants. Sporting gym gear all day is pure sleaze, learn to fucking dress in public fuckos.
If you’re impressed by spain, keep travelling, most europeans consider spanish women as the worst of europe, nothing close to america, but still.
Agreed. Spanish women are pretty ordinary
you’re all fools, I’m at the southern tip of spain. if being tanned with heels and skirts is the average for women in this sun bleached area of Europe, beam me up to where it gets great from here.
You are so right. A latina I was in a relationship here commented on how women here in the USA dress.
I agreed 100%, and then some.
You are so right. A latina I was in a relationship here commented on how women here in the USA dress.
I agreed 100%, and then some.
Women take their special snowFLAKEness with them wherever they go.
All the reasons listed in the article are true however I’d say the two biggest reasons why travel is wasted on women are 1) women lack a curiosity about the world around them and 2) women don’t possesses factual knowledge and therefore don’t understand the significance of what they see and experience while traveling. It’s like a child traveling. These same two points have a lot to do with why women can’t make logical connections regarding cause and effect relationships between various actions/events. It makes for an utterly oblivious life for many women.
Wow, so no women in history has ever travelled because she was curious about another culture? None. We are stupid sluts who travel just to get cock and drunk. Jesus if you guys think this low of women just go gay already, stop making yourself miserable.
Shh, Lisa, Let them be! These guys are hilarious. Don’t let them know we’re laughing at them, though. You know how sensitive guys can be.
The ironic thing is, this entire community started because a guy wanted easier sex, without any regards to culture.
Straight men be confused. And now they fancy themselves intellectuals. /snort
The funny thing is I don’t see any of the men here scolding all those guys who fly to Latavia, Ukraine and Thailand for sex tourism. They just slate women for participating in same activities, evidence of how men are above women are something.
“women lack a curiosity about the world around them”
And I thought they were going to solve all of humanity’s problems once those incompetent men are displaced from science… /sarcasm
Can I just ask you where you got the idea that women don’t posess factual knowledge? Last time I checked they’re still required to take the exact same classes in high school, presumably involving the same learning on the subject of other countries. Is it really that much of a stretch of the imagination to think that they took anything away from world history class?
It’s usually a stretch of the imagination to think they took anything away from math class, so why should world history be any different?
Real knowledge isn’t aquired in a classroom. It comes from independent study driven by curiosity and a passion to know more about various subjects. Women by and large don’t possess this trait. Without a broad base of knowledge you can’t understand the world around you and your opinion becomes worthless. This is the unfortunate natural state of women. Education for women is mere credentialism. Learning for men is a different matter, it’s a quest for greater understanding and self-improvement.
*”Humanity by and large doesn’t possess this trait.”
I don’t think this is just limited to women. Most people are so ignorant, I don’t know how they manage to graduate 5th grade.
Reading these comment boards is a true confirmation of this.
That’s true Ed
All the girls I know who have travelled, all of them, bar none, actually ignore historical sites. Sure, they will get their “checkmark” pictures in front of iconic sites, those notable places with their only history being their commonness in photographs, the Eiffel Tower, Taj Majal, Buckingham Palace, Chichen Itza, etc… but they almost always ignore historic battlegrounds, interesting castles, walled cities, notable geography, etc…
Men will visit places simply because what happened there thousands of years ago was amazing. Women will visit places simply because they have to demonstrate to friends that they were there.
Exactly. This is why I don’t take any pictures while traveling. I travel for my own enjoyment, not to show off to friends.
What man wouldn’t want to go visit the pass at thermopolae and imagine what it was like?
What woman would dare spend more than a few seconds on what is now only a coastal roadway?
and still how many men have I met that went to Amsterdam only to smoke pot, never stepping foot into Van Gogh’s museum and Anne Frank’s hose. Or still living in Berlin and not knowing who Brecht was. Or visiting Italy and thinking pizza is an american invention…
Is that so? Has it ever occurred to you that you associate with the wrong types of women?
I want to go to Pompeii, because I enjoyed studying them. I live in Manchester, in the UK which was once a Roman settlement. I’ve seen the archaeological remains in Manchester, spent many an afternoon there, reading about how the Romans conquered and how they built these remains, what they would have looked like, naturally due to this, I do want to see the best preserved remains of the Roman Empire, I could go to Rome, but really the only thing of interest there is Vatican City (to see the basilica) and the Colosseum. I mean there are other things like the spanish steps, but I want to see the Roman Empire, so nothing is more accurate, than the remains of a city preserved indefinitely under granite.
I don’t get all these people who travel to get pissed and party for a week, it’s nothing we can’t do where we live. And if you’re going to get drunk, odd’s are you won’t remember where you were anyway, so it’s a waste of money.
I don’t think I know enough to fully experience the historical significance of these places, but that is why I want to go, so I can learn and develop the appreciation for these things – though I admit I have read and researched an awful lot to prepare me for Pompeii, building up on knowledge I gained in school.
Women do not care about things they see in their travels because it simply doesn’t matter what you see. Sure, it’s good to see other places, but ultimately it’s entirely pointless.
Just one more proof how women are more wise than men:)
Finally, a website with articles and comments that have more contradictions than a women’s magazine.
Oh, and sweeping generalizations. Who am I to speak, though? I wrote something similar for a blog of mine:
“I’ve been on many dates with boys that have traveled far more than I have, yet most of their stories revolve around getting drunk in bars with other English speakers or taking pictures of their meals at expensive, tourist-focused restaurants. Relatively few have taken time to learn a foreign language on their own, formed lasting relationships with locals, or push[ed] themselves from their comfort zone to solve problems while abroad. Though your initial instinct may be to respect a man as more worldly and educated due to a well-traveled past, I would caution against it. Often, it is the very opposite.”
I remember traveling in India, the vast majority of women would rarely venture to the interesting areas, but instead spend most of their days in Goa (A very European area, ex Portuguese colony). Massages, drugs and drink every night and of course the constant flattery from beta western males. It was mainly the men who went off the beaten track and visited the interesting and exciting places.
Then there are the women who volunteer in Ghana to get the token picture of being hugged by little black kids. It’s sickening how they almost treat the kids like pets. Then of course its well known that they have sex with the local men. It’s a form of sex tourism in the disguise of humanitarianism.
Are you seriously suggesting a woman to travel alone to countries like India and Thailand, where sex slavery is a severe problem, where just walking outside at night is enough to get sticks shoved up your vagina?
Shut the hell up. And European culture is no less interesting – I bet you praise Roosh for traveling to Russia for the sole purpose of having sex.
STFU. Cunts love that stuff. And if they don’t, more fun for us.
And STFU about Roosh. He’s doing men a great service, so we know where to go to get nonAmeriskank pussy and where to avoid. What the fuck are you doing to help men?
that’s… sociopathic, to say the least.
Who the hell is forcing women to travel to India and Thailand? Are you saying there aren’t safer, far more interesting places to travel?
Please explain how it’s sociopathic to help men meet women they will like. I wouldn’t mind if people told you how to find men you would like, after all.
I didn’t realize people on this website liked women.
Ok but then why cant a woman travel to meet men she likes? maybe I missed something?
From experience men who travel to China, Russia (especially) and other traditional foreign locations, usually end up in relationships and setting up roots with the woman. I won’t include Thailand because that is just a complete sodom and Gomorrah for sex tourism.
No one is suggesting that the women go to some despot slum in rural India. The point we are trying to make, is that “female traveling” is a whole different kettle of fish when compared to “male traveling”. Their adventure on the most part is to have some instagram picture on a beach or meditating with a monk; or my favourite, with the drugged up tiger.
Being from the U.K, men and women universally flock to the resorts in Spain and Greece to degenerate themselves further.
Don’t feed the bitches! That’s Rule #1 here. They just sidelined the whole thread with arbitrary “feel think” and you guys are lapping it up like cat nip!
never respond to a woman at all. or a beta male. It only empowers them that their point of view is actually legitimate – they are validated by attention of any kind (+ or -) , rather than facts and data —
Of course they should travel alone to India, Thailand, and all the other countries that you mistakenly think are hotbeds of rape and sexual slavery.
That way, they might get to see how it feels to be alone and vunerable without their man to provide them with their mental safety blanket.
Its an equal opportunity world…. right girls ?
Roosh is absolutely right to go to Russia just to have sex with russian girls. Aside from the vodka, caviar, smoked fish and chocolate… slutty desperate skinny babes is about all the country has to offer the rest of the world.
Actually, I have to correct myself. The average Russian babe is not that skinny. When you get away from the uptown parts of Moscow, the average ruskie chick is pretty pudgy and ordinary….. just the natural result of a shit diet, freezing winters, and a hard hard life.
Are you fucking serious? Women need to know how it feels to be vulnerable? Yeah, it’s not like we’re constantly told to carry rape alarms and not go out alone and not drink too much because if we don’t take precautions and someone attacks us, then it’s our fault. Cunts like you have NO FUCKING IDEA what it’s like to feel vulnerable.
CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT CUNT
Yes – I am a cunt.
I will gladly wear that title if a feminist rape-culture myth peddler like you is calling me a cunt.
And your offence, means that I’m one step closer to being the man I wan’t to be. One that can accept the scorn of women, and not care.
One that can see through the feminist straw-man victimization fallacy, and laugh at it for what it is…. pure sick hypocrisy.
We know how damn vulnerable women are, but you’ve made it pretty damn clear that you don’t need us (stupid), don’t want our advice (stupid), our protection (more stupid) or our children (extinction). Where do you get off telling us we have NO FUCKING IDEA? YOU have no fucking idea!
You guys do realize you are breaking rule number 1 of ROK!!
Stop feeding the bitches.
I have a fiance and I’ll have children with him because he’s not a completely brain dead moron like the people on this page, so your point is invalid.
A man? Pfft. I’m sure most women would never dream of calling a kid like you a man. Shut the fuck up. You’re an idiot.
This site seems to be full of sociopaths and criminals, no?
And to think these crybabies consider themselves superior to women…that’s pure comedic gold, right there.
yep… you’re right. Sorry…
Just like rats and jackals… feed them, and they keep coming back. And if they don’t like what you feed them, they try to eat your hand.
gentleman, there’s only one proper response:
tits or GTFO!
You are talking like you had hardship in life as women but you do not.Middle and upper class white women have the most privilage in the world so stfu whore and stop with rape culture bullshit.
Also im pretty sure you will eventually get frusrated and divorce rape your Beta bitch husband you call intellectual first chance you get fucking hypcorat bitch.
Whether they should or not, they don’t, so they don’t get credit for having done it.
places like goa or africa jamica etc where women goto to have a good time will suck for the man tryin to get lucky there….unless its vegas.
@emmanual
dude the rape rate per capta in india is 1.8. the highest its ever been. which is tied with canada. if you fear safety in these type of countrys then you are paranoid as hell.
well europe is full of sluts and have no interedt to save themselves for marriage.
goin to conservative counbtrys an deflowering good girls is fucked up…they are for marriage.
“date rape”? India is a litigous feminist hell where women are actively encouraged to lie for cash and prizes. None of the rape figures are to be believed.
India doesn’t exactly have a good reputation… I wouldn’t recommend any outside women wondering off into any “interesting areas” when the country is heavily overpopulated with sex-depraved men.
dude trust me as of now getting sex outside marriage in india in much more difficult than in usa. still marriage is predominant in this part of the world and ” conventional marriages” still stand.
basically india has that culture what u guys want. marriage is still very sacred and women and men get along very good.
western people are more depraved than indians…
True. India does have a far much healthier relationship culture.
However, the gender ratio is fucked (more men) and some men there have multiple wives. So inevitably there’s going to be men leftover who can’t get married and in a culture where sex outside marriage is difficult, a lot of men won’t be able to get laid. Also I believe prostitution is illegal in India as well.
ya the marriage rate is high here and polygamy is generally(generally i mean not in the upper middle class, middle class and lower class) not observed. it will frowned upon. here in india people value the opinon of society so people are afraid to deviate from the norm ( which is monogamy)
btw marriage rates in india are very high very few remain single here.so a few men wont get laid not a lot of men.
if u refer to rape becoz men dont get laid its not completely true. most of the rapists are uneducated people (eg delhi rape case)
Yeah I was in India last year and I saw a number of feminist articles in the newspaper there. I can see there’s this push there for western-style feminism, which will be disastrous. Also I noticed some of the wealthier, middle-class or rich girls there were becoming hyper-americanized through US TV shows etc
“It’s a form of sex tourism in the disguise of humanitarianism.”
Reminds me of all those women in med school who went to some shit hole in Africa ostensibly “to gain experience”. Wouldn’t surprise me one bit if they gained some additional “mileage” upon return.
little white chicks, big black monster dicks… HAHAHAHAAA!
i gotta say after about three paragraphs of reading this tripe, you’re a complete idiot black_night and you’re only interested is denigrating women.
Good rebuttal. So nice to see that you’re using your logical mind and not your emotions to refute something your cunty attitude doesn’t like. Oh, wait. No. The opposite of what I just said. Fuck off.
Nice psych out with that beginning half. Real original.
An ugly woman who is interesting, Is invisible to me anyway which isolates the only important variable a woman has which is where they fall on the 7-10 scale. Do travel experiences have anything to do with beauty and fertility? Nap, just means someone with an accent fucked her. Epic.
Their “ability to debate and reason or tell an interesting story about some experience” Does not correspond with having morality,magnanimity, or a sense of justice, It makes them a better skilled “argumentative twat” in my experience , and the smarter she is, the more intellect/effort i have to equally give up in trying to convince her to let me inside of her. The interesting stories only make a 5 minute leading-to-sex conversation into a 1 hour leading-to-sex conversation because now, i gotta listen to a bunch of stories i don’t really care for, which i refuse to do, my target market is, “stupid women who are attractive” they are the path of least resistance. Now, i do not think i’m much smarter than the average male but i do have an ability in my sensory perception to spot things other people miss completely, and this gives me a 25% advantage over an average male, Women are scientifically about 20% less intelligent than a man, and a further 50% less perceptive of reality so i have basically doubled my intellect by dealing with these stupid women which makes them very easy to game.
A dirty secret about a “smart women” is that, the smarter she is the more flaws she is able to point out in you and the more she will hate you and compare you to other potential men. “smart testosterone bound women” are the worst possible nightmare, do not fall for the “interesting” bit. Just run.
When it comes to sex, the smarter a woman is, the worse she is, a denser brain comes along with, denser feminism, denser entitlement, and an overall denser array of awful westernized mental issues, basically intelligence in a woman seems to translate into a bigger nightmare the “more intelligent” she is. Ideally a really stupid 8 is the best , a woman depending on your intellect giving you full control, You can have that “smart” know it all obnoxious twat. There is also something primal about being much smarter than your girlfriend, mental domination. Who wants a “smart feminist”? Fuck that! Intelligence comes with a better sense of “judgement” which is by definition, a better ability to discriminate, who needs this type of added obstacle in a woman you don’t plan on committing to anyway?
You take your head with you wherever you travel, bringing along the same attitudes
“A dirty secret about a “smart women” is that, the smarter she is the more flaws she is able to point out in you and the more she will hate you and compare you to other potential men”
True story I’m guessing?
I’ve gotta be harsh here, but please trust me when I say I’m not trying to rag on you. I’m trying to make you aware of some issues so you can fix them. It’s going to be a long post so please don’t take it personally….I’m taking the time to do this because you are exhibiting some behavior patterns I recognize from my younger self.
Just because you’ve got a dumb girlfriend, don’t think you’re feeling other men.
Telltale signs:
– Writing a freaking book.
-Use of arbitrary(made up) percentages indicates nerdiness and a lack of social skills.
-The vague yet oddly-specific complaints indicate that you are coming from a position of anger, not truth seeking. You are still allowing your emotional reactions to control you and this kills your game.
-The phrase I quoted indicates a lack of confidence. These days a woman comparing me more thoroughly to other men. The more she does that the better I look by compirson. I’m better in bed, a better dresser, more ambitious, and less predictable.
-Lack of confidence and experience is also betrayed by all the hypotheticals. You don’t need to have a higher IQ or book smarts(just one aspect of intelligence) to lead her. You just need to be confident and assertive with basic social skills. It’s not hard.
-You probably are perceptive. Use that to your advantage: look at what the socially dominant males do, break down and find out the “why” it works.
-Don’t confuse book smarts with intelligence. Nerds and “smart” girls tend to have something in common: their book smarts are only matched by their street-dumb.
“When it comes to sex, the smarter a woman is, the worse she is…”
I have noticed that the smart women I have slept with did take longer to climax (if they did at all) whereas the dumb ones tended to climax more easily. Not to mention I could talk the dumb ones into doing some raunchy stuff. 🙂
Anyone else have similar experiences?
Actually, come to think of it, the best sex situations of have had, have been with the real dumb-asses.
Like getting sucked off, sitting on my friend’s father’s ride-on-mower, in their garden shed, at a new years eve party… The girl in question was my friend’s girlfriend’s best friend. And she was fucking dumb.
I growled her out in their neighbors driveway about 30 mins before, so its not like I didn’t deserve some payback.
University days…. I wish I could go back !.
Yeah I screwed some chick in her mom’s bathroom while her mom was upstairs. She had a boyfriend too, who was beta as fuck. Needless to say, this guy wanted her so desperately that he was willing to take her back even if had impregnated this chick. He personally told her that. She was dumb as a bag of bricks. Then again, the credentialed (not smart) college chicks wanted to try something “exciting” and “new,” which led them to avenues of severe smuttiness.
I guess I’ll be called a blue pill beta but my experience is that women in the high average to low bright range are by far the best in bed. The real dumb ones I can’t stand to be around, and the really bright ones tend to have lots of issues and baggage. They also tend to be strongly in the feminista camp. The women with average (for women) intelligence tend to be just that. Average. In every way. In the spirit of honesty and if some of you are telling the truth I’ve never had the harem numbers claimed by some here.
Great comment.
Unlike the drivel comment directly below by Hell Dyker.
But as we all know, never take advice from a female about dating.
I wish her and the married with kids clown GhostOfPeckerwood would find some new hobbies besides hounding the RoK boards every day dispensing their unsolicited inane “advice”.
*yawn*
Your snark would mean a lot more if it weren’t done behind “Guest” anonymity.
Seriously dude, if you don’t like what we write, don’t read it. It’s a rather easy skill to master, assuming you have even an inkling of self control.
Hope your day gets better.
Stumbled on this site. I have never seen such a large congregation of betas as i have seen read this site and post articles. Silly betas, gym rats dont rule the world. How much do you think former president george bush could bench. You betas posing as alphas are just muscle to be sent off to war or working in a mine by skinny intellectual men like me.
Roosh: ban this clueless ninny.
Doth i offend. Or in your language, grunt, grunt, fart
My language? You make me laugh, “skinny intellectual man.” Does this article read as if written by some meathead? You might look into Quintus Curtius’ writing on here to see similarly erudite work. Having demonstrated that it’s you who are ignorant (for assuming that the men on this site are uneducated meathead-types), I find that I have nothing more to say to you. Enjoy yourself.
My language? You make me laugh, “skinny intellectual man.” Does this
article read as if written by some meathead? http://www.returnofkings.com/33959/the-value-of-self-reliance. Can you write this well and learnedly? You might look into Quintus
Curtius’ writing on here to see more sharp and erudite work. Having
demonstrated that it’s you who are ignorant (for assuming that the men
on this site are uneducated meathead-types), I find that I have nothing
more to say to you. Enjoy yourself.
Too-da-loo
I love how anytime someone posts something perceived as remotely offensive, whether or not true, a bunch of pussies like you cry out to Roosh to save you like a fucking princess. You’re like a leech. You’re insecure as all hell, attach yourself to someone far mor superior to you, kiss their ass and regurgitate their shit like it’s fucking gospel, but you couldn’t fucking stand on your own two feet if your dick was in the line.
I almost agreed……until the last line.
The “skinny intellectual men like me” line reeks of nerd justification. People like Rockefeller and Carnegie are not nerds by any means.
Yeah, the poser signed off with “too da loo”. I can’t see J.J. Hill telling that to anybody ever.
I’m a nerd. Been studious since earliest childhood. A curious studious nerd who has always gone his own way. You guys with all your rules are almost as bad as the PC crowd sometimes.
In general, women are not interesting. Neither travel nor anything else can change this. The ancients viewed women as nothing more than big children, fit to amuse a man in his leisure, and of course to raise children. This is still the proper attitude to have toward women, though of course in our time women are about as qualified to raise children as they are to (here insert anything that requires a functioning brain.)
Maybe insert (boil an egg) !
perhaps if you universally consider men to be more interesting than women you should consider the possibility that you’re gay.
I read about economics because I find it interesting, not because it sexually arouses me.
That answer owned him/her, not surprisingly there was no response.
I find it hilarious that most of history’s everyone was male.
Not because history was limited to men, but men were the outgoing species. The doers. The movers and the shakers.
Women? They sat in the house.
Fast forward to now.
Men? Still the doers and shakers by large.
Women? Instagram and Facebook just collecting dust, spewing vapid bullshit and collecting attention from tons of dudes.
Of course guys do it too, but what do women create? LOL
A huge deficit and headaches.
I don’t anything more original or clever has ever once been said in human history!
This is true, and this was correct. Women were/are fit mainly to cook and raise children from the time they were infants until about 12/13, specifically boys. After that age, the boy spends the majority of his time outside of school/gymnasium with his father, learning manhood. If that father had fallen in combat, then his job would primarily fall to the grandfather and/or uncles. In an extreme scenario, many good mothers (not anymore) sent their sons to military school. Outside of sex and the division of labor within the home, men rarely sought the company of women. Today you have all types of beta faggots, claiming “soul-mates,” going into debt for wedding planners, motherfucking grown ass men with testicles, crying at weddings. Fuck this planet. Oh and might I add, none of them can even cook anymore, the western female variant, that is.
It’s been my experience in the past two decades that typical American women give two-shits about what men need and it’s spiraled downward from there. Most are instantly insulted if you confront them with this idea and then assault you screaming “Are you saying women should need men?” I’m beyond sick of the standard feminista. They want lapdogs, not men. So, cooking? Hell, my crockpot does a better job than most of the women I’ve dated, and it probably cares more about me than some of those.
This is becoming more and more true in America. I hope to hell it’s less true overseas.
Well said, and its quick and to the point. The articles on this site are too long.
A woman can have been all over the world and yet not be able to you anything deep about a single culture. It is because her nature is shallow. On the other hand, she will have plenty of selfies of her in front of, say, the Eiffel Tower.
Travel won’t fix the problem of someone being shallow. To fix these problems takes struggle and pain that is severly lacking in America.
That can apply to men you know too.
Don’t be stupid. Obviously men don’t travel to cancun or take sandals cruises to jamaica, shotgun natty light at beach parties, and take pictures of ourselves flexing our biceps greased like pretty pigs amongst nice pieces of ass and glistening titties. Everything we do is for the culture and the experience and the growth. We only visit depraved places like hungary, so that way we can learn a foreign language and see some history. Ass and glistening titties are the last things on our minds. We’re men of class and culture. We’re like a learned version of the Jersey Shore guys. The Situation guy always flexing in the mirror, not that pussy Pauly D guy that smiled too fucking much.
LOL!
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Woooo, thanks a ton, Roosh. What would ROK do if it wasn’t for you telling them what to do, especially when a female is around. The board was practically swimming in Lisa’s vag.
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Would partially agree except that women who travel to Africa, India, Middle East, other oppressive countries have to deal with a much more dangerous situation then men. Seeing how men treat women in these countries is probably a wake up call to them.
Here’s one story by an American woman who was traumatized by her visit to India where the men ceaselessy watched her and there were no sexual harassment laws:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/20/world/american-student-india-sexual-harassment-irpt/
This needs to happen more.
The men masturbated at her. Sure, it’s disgusting. They also shit in the open, and that’s disgusting too. It doesn’t occur to her that these are men with nothing to lose. No woman, no status, no money, no nothing. Why the fuck not have a tug while you look at the white woman? How are they going to fuck your life up any worse than it already is? It’s not like they have the internet at home.
And this is similar to what the welfare state and feminism has created in the inner cities: Men with nothing to lose making these regions into wastelands for the middle and working class and career women.
I’m amused that the travel program she belonged to was called “civilizations abroad”.
Women should try Riyadh, Karachi, Bahrain, Abu Dhabi, or any of the other lovely tolerant pro-feminist places I have been. And then go back to Sydney, Seattle or London and complain about how men don’t treat you as you deserve.
I doubt you have even been to karachi. Bahrain and abu dhabi may be, but you are too pussy for the big K.
I have been to all of the places that I mentioned, which is why I listed them.
What is the “big K” ?
Kafir dick in their paki assholes.
I have had this same conversation with many friends before.
I have traveled internationally a lot. And I have brought women with me many times. What you say about women not gaining a deeper understanding of the world is so true. The pyramids are just interesting to look at – this will not lead to any study of architectural history. The Maya have nice clothes, but it will not lead to a study of their history. The Roman forum is nice, but she won’t be reading Boethius later on that night. On and on and on.
Traveling with a simple-minded woman and a college educated one are the same thing. Better to take the one who is less maintenance – if you go with her at all.
Women are the same all over… “I want half, Eddie!”
“Travel Doesn’t Make Women More Interesting”
It makes them more slutty though.
Nothing new in this article. People with vagina’s have it easier, I already knew that. The fact that because they have it easier, they never access the ‘hard’ and resulting accomplishments, skills and feels of awesome that the ‘hard way’ creates. I knew that too.
Agreed. Their “exotic travels” are just another dull point to add to their POD or OKC profiles. Another “badge of honor” like their degrees and Coach bags.
I rarely look at or engage conversations with females unless my job requires it. They truly are very shallow and uninteresting human beings.
And — they are legends in their own minds.
Life is tough for men, but for adventurous men it’s more available. Yes, women get men to help them if they are lost in a foreign city but they attract scam artists (or worse!) too. Also, women have a higher standard of living. I don’t mind a (clean) hostel for $30 but most western career women I know wouldn’t settle for anything less than a $200/night hotel in London.
Can a pretty young woman get a free room in London with a local if she agrees to sex? Sure, but she could stay in Chicago for that experience and as the author points out: what has she learned? What challenge did she have?
Women use “travel” like diamond rings as a gauge of their SMV. When they say “I like to travel” it means “I like someone else to pay for me to travel.”
The more expensive and exotic the locale, the higher she perceives her SMV to be.
I’ve never heard of a woman scrimping and saving, all while busting her ass working 1-2 jobs, in order to take a well-deserved break overseas like happens with men.
Your points are well-taken, amigo.
Years ago when I had a “real” job I would save up my vacations days and not have a day off for months just to savor an extra week off at Xmas time and maybe go on a weekend trip.
I didn’t have the option of having a dozen offers to go to Europe or Australia just because I had nice tits.
Perhaps you don’t get out much or you need to find new female friends, there are plenty of women who pay their own way & work hard to travel. Stay away from gold digging bimbos, there are some great women out there.
I’m referring to middle-class girls who don’t even have to work hard, the one’s I’ve seen abroad typically. I should have clarified that.
I can assure you that the westerners I’ve seen traveling weren’t good looking enough to be gold-diggers. Woof, woof!
Umm, I have….I also raise two well-behaved, beautiful, smart children without any physical or financial help from their dear ‘ol dad (who btw would love to tell you all about how alpha he is, sound familiar?). God it would be nice to know that real men still exist…the kind of men my granddad told me to look for. Real alphas….not real assholes. I’m tired of working full time, cooking, cleaning, AND guiding my children down the right path in this twisted society. I would give anything for a capable man to assert himself as the head of my household. I agree with SOME of you guys’ theories. I detest feminist BS. I detest what it has done to the great majority of “men” in this country. But the hypocritical, contradicting, utterly ridiculous BS I have read on this site takes the cake. I know you can’t respond to little old me (being that I am a mindless female – hilarious in itself), for fear of being banned from this site. LOL Ok….I’m going to hope and pray that this isn’t as good as it gets. Because I can assure you, that there are still good, polite, beautiful women who are looking for an assertive man to love guide and protect them in the most traditional sense. But c’mon, don’t confuse “assertive” or “alpha” with “jerk”.
I am among a minority here, without a doubt, but I hate traveling, and I hate hearing dating site sluts talk about their travels and their idiotic pictures.
Travel is stressful, expensive, dangerous, and most of all, pointless. The TSA is xraying your dick, the airlines rape your wallet, third world foreigners will steal your belongings and/or kill you for no reason, and there is enough to learn about in the United States that I could travel in this country my entire life, while also enjoying nice things like the rule of law, firearm protection (in many states), and inexpensive transportation.
No offense to the travelers – if that’s what you love, keep at it. But when the collapse of our economy occurs, and you are living in bumfuckistan, enjoy being eaten alive while I am fortified with weapons, food, and family in my undisclosed bunker.
The Belgium cartoonist responsible for The Adventures of Tintin, rarely traveled yet produced a highly researched, intelligent series of stories involving travels around the globe! I agree travelling is not for everyone. I’m from a town where most people don’t travel more than 100 miles their whole life. I’ve learned these people are very wise not to travel if there is no desire. Travel, just to travel, is wasteful.
When I traveled, it was to visit friends I had met online through forums such as this one and so we had something in common and we engaged in a cultural exchange. The concept of just checking into a hotel and then hitting the bars seemed to me as lonely as being at home and doing the same thing.
Exactly, the only time you should travel is for war. Why the fuck I want to go some random place, be called a Muslim or have someome try to touch my turban and me catch a murder case?
You travel, when it is time to go; otherwise, as you say hold down the fort.
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You are a Sikh? Most Americans have no clue about different nations and cultures.
I have to travel a lot for my business, mostly in Europe and Asia, but often in the states to cities like Las Vegas. I used to use sites like Travelocity to book my flights and lodging, but I stumbled upon the better way to find deals: go to the second level sites – those like http://hotelsmixmatch.com who compare the hundreds of different booking sites in one single search. You’ll not only see Trivago or Expedia deals, but ALL OF THEM in one place.
I must have saved over 2,000 Euros since I started using them. I sincerely believe that using only one of the top booking sites is not necessarily the best idea.
Excellent points!
I don’t see how anyone can be affected profoundly while living in a pseudo-bubble while visiting foreign lands: ONLY staying within the range of safe, touristy areas, sticking to areas where you and your scruffy backpacker friends want to go, and only going to typical tourist hotels, beaches, and travel sites does not promote a realistic world view.
Try taking an average man’s approach: walk the streets, meet average men & women, talk to local guys about their girlfriends, get scammed numerous times, get approached by prostitutes, meet men who want to get you into illegal situations, and have guys look like they’re going to jump you in a dark corridor. That’s the kind of real shit that affects a person when they travel.
I speak from experience.
Must be nice to live in a bubble as women do.
If any woman travels to South Africa, they got laid by the local beach boys. Hell any woman that travels usually fucked some scumbag from said country.
That’s because we’re men with impeccable manners and dingalings the size of italian salami. What do you think a “boerewors” is?
The only difference between a 6 and a 9 is daddy’s money.
I have discovered the internet portal to lonely men or men with non self-respecting worthless women.
You should stop visiting that site and rather spend more time on this one.
It isn’t just white girls. Sista are on that pokemon travellin bullshit too. And they’ve got a whole crew of beta orbiters, fag friends to cheer them on. A good number of these chicks are overweight.
Nomadeness Travel Tribe: https://www.facebook.com/groups/nomadnesstribe/
I am a Black Male living overseas, and I will say there is nothing more gross than coming across some black american chick from US. What the fuck are doing here, Shaniqua, go home! Fat and skanky, or skinny but stupid, the best way to avoid them is just hit local spots as they rarely stray far from McDonalds/Burger King/Hard Rock Cafe tourist shit traps.
Here in Japan, I have watched a lot of Westerners come and go. Males were far more likely to learn the language, get a black belt, master the tea ceremony and try to gain some understanding of the culture.
Females were more likely to stay in their apartments, downloading Simpsons and complaining about Japanese potato chips (!) or the “backwards” culture.
Same here in Hong Kong.
Higher frequency of LTRs with the locals may also be a factor.
Very few men here want the white girls.
The local guys don’t because of the shame of bringing a round-eye home to mummy, and the fact that 99% of the white girls are far fatter, feminized and older-looking, than the Honkies.
And the expats don’t want the white girls, for the obvious reasons. After eating the finest peking duck, why would you go back to Chicken McNuggets.
I lived there for 3 years and noticed the same. All Western guys that would arrive would lose about 10 pounds in the first year. The Western girls, gain about 10 or 20. Must be all the bakery bread. Japanese guys don’t want them. They consider them to be “fat” and “bossy.” Not to mention the white girls that end up in Japan are usually not the most desirable in the first place…..
Damn right.
Spend a day watching the white girls roll up and down the escalator, or waddle off the DB ferry. Its obvious that they have spent too much time “doing lunch with the girls”, and not enough time at pure fitness that their other half is paying through the nose for.
(btw girls – yoga once a week is not exercise).
Western women are fat and bossy.
But to give out a tiny bit of credit where its due, I do very occasionally see a cougar or MILF that has been thrown under the bus by her BF (that caught yellow fever).
And instead of crawling back home to Sydney where her borderline obesity is officially condoned, she pulls herself together, gets a job to support herself for the first time in 10 years, goes to gym spin and pilates, takes up paleo-lite, and trims down to a slim hot puma.
Japan certainly has a strange and unique culture, but “backwards” isn’t a word I would use to describe it.
I travelled/worked through Europe for 3 years in my 20’s and for each of the 3 reasons stated in the article, you could interchange the gender and the reasons would be true of both women and men. People are wankers! And people aren’t. It depends who you meet. It’s not a gender issue. But I’m Australian and didn’t meet many Americans (guys or girls) who travelled for longer period of time.
Frequent air travel is very unhealthy thing to do. It makes your body too yin (feminine). Which is possibly why women do not respond well to it as they are yin by default. Air is yin and moving away from the earth is yin. Not to mention x-rays exposure at airports.
Travel is such as hazard today, with little to gain from it, that it is a major stumbling block to spiritual and even physical development for many people. Most of the benefits claimed for travel can be far better gained by staying near home, traveling short distances by car or longer trips by recreational vehicles, and forgetting about long-distance air travel, in particular.
Xrays are yin? News to me – I thought the were Chtulhu. Or possibly froofie.
Shortwave radiation is yin.
Would rathee go by sea, with many arms when the time comes.
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A girl that has traveled a lot or studied abroad is usually an outright turn off for me because I know her narcissism and entitlement meter is probably off the charts – nothing is more annoying than some catty broad who thinks ultra-highly of herself because she did some bullshit mission in Africa during a summer in college or studied in Italy for a few months.
Don’t get me wrong, I like a girl who isn’t dumb as rocks and I can connect with intellectually, but a “take-on-the-world” YOLO-mentality chick who seeks validation and status by going to different countries is simply fucking annoying and exhausting. It’s the same with chicks who go on for days about how “adventurous” they are and make it seem like they are out kayaking, sky diving, white water rafting, rock climbing, and doing those trendy bi-annual obstacle course runs 24/7. Give it a rest. Fuck me, give me a back rub, and make me dinner.
I recall hearing a Miss Universe being asked “So, what has being Miss Universe for a year taught you?” Her answer was: “That people everywhere are the same”.
Yeah. When you are Miss Universe, pretty much everyone probably does act the same. Everyone you are likely to meet, anyway.
I find this discussion fascinating. When I travel I abhor tourist sites & only travel to discover what it is like in other areas of the world. I eat food from street vendors, get a local pre-pay phone and make as many local friends as I can. I ask as many questions as possible, get to know all of the local history, politics, geography, farming, crafts, you name it.
I was taught to travel like this by my parents who travel the exact same way. My parents do not believe in itineraries. I have two sisters and they are exactly the same way when they travel.
I can certainly see that some women may be like you describe. And I would also suggest that although there may be few examples, there are women who are uniquely ambitious to discover.
And for the record, I was an Academic-All American in a Division I sport and excel at math, science & humanities equally.
This doesn’t apply at all to my living abroad experience. You’re biased by your culture, so I don’t see how travling opened you to other cultures and gave you insight about your own.
My travel agenda usually isn’t all that different than a chick’s I guess. I travel to well-known tourist locales like a Cancun, and my intinerary is beaches, night clubs, strip clubs, try to smash YOLO. I don’t have much interest in sitting in a ditch with a local, eating beans, and learning all about his life.
You know how to become worldly without all the travel. Read books from or about other cultures and times. ‘Words’…. they mean stuff. I just read “Gates of Fire”, as suggested by someone in a ROK comment section I believe. Fucking amazing book.
I’ve read Call of the Wild-greatest book I’ve ever read. Really gave me insight.
what is YOLO?
(Y)ou (O)nly (L)ive (O)nce
A phrase used by dumb people to justify wasting their life accomplishing nothing.
Travel doesn’t make anyone more interesting.
And hard working people of every ethnicity ever.
I’m going to throw in my own anecdote here to for the “NAWALT” camp.
College freshman me was in an LTR with an 8/10 who studied in Greece. She spent the majority of her time there studying the language, visiting the historical sights, and burying her nose in books. When I went out there to visit her she took me to great historical sights, taught me the history of the Acropolis, the Parthenon, Old Town in Rhodes, the Turkish occupation, etc… all the way up to the junta. As far as I am aware, she never went out and spent most nights studying or watching movies.
She’s now an archaeologist in Israel and just as beautiful as ever. So, there is some hope. You just have to get lucky.
Here’s a stereotypical Western chic traveling:
Here are men traveling:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thz3c6vBaEY
Pretty much echoes my thoughts. I refer to them as Barbie Doll tourists…now, nobody wants to go to a crime-ridden hellhole, but they mainly go to only the easiest destinations or the places they can name drop, where they can be seen by hordes of tourists and served by tourist staff and possibly encounter/pipeline thirsty guys that can make their trip extremely economical and give them a more special local tour without putting in any effort or research on their part.
Great article.
Man, I am so tired of hearing stupid bitches say, “Travel is so important to me.” That is utterly absurd. I particular find women that say how much they love Europe to be totally vapid.
What their “love of travel” shows is that few of them have had to do much business travel, especially not international business travel. After your 20th trip to Asia (I am well past that), and 50th trip to South America (well past that too), and then going to Europe and dealing with European assholes and their often pretentious attitudes, travel is not so much fun. Airports, taxis, hotels, and always eating out – that gets incredibly old. What becomes “important” is being able to stay home, enjoy your place, enjoy your town, and enjoy projects around your house.
The LAST fucking thing I am going to do is pay for an American woman to go on a trip with me to a foreign land. They are too high maintenance and scared all the time, so they just get in the way. More important, why would I travel with an American cheeseburger when I can land in Colombia and find prime rib?
Now, there is one exception to the drudgery of travel. If you spend a lot of time in a country, a man can find a woman. Or multiple woman. And, man, THOSE women (except in Europe) are so much better than American women. I was with a woman in South America a few months ago, banging away, and she was moaning, “Oh, mi rey!” That means, “Oh, my king”!! That was fucking awesome. And as soon as she said that, the first thing I thought of was Return of Kings. See, to many women around the world, a well balanced, healthy, and well-enough-off American man is like a king.
Because of this and other factors, I decided to travel less but live most of the time outside the US. When you spend most of 10 years in another non-European country, it really frees your mind from the idiotic social conditioning that is forced down people’s throats in the US. Especially when it comes to feminism. But, hey, you will NEVER hear an American woman say THAT. For that reason, I know that they do not learn jack when they travel.
Yep, I would have to agree.
As a big fan on internet dating, I have read many profiles where the women claim to love travel, and thus consider themselves to be a “sophisticated international girl”.
And on further investigation the truth is that the girl has been to one other country (usually France), pogged out at the bakery 3 times a day and put on 5kg,… stood in line with the rest of the saps at the Louvre and Eiffel Tower for a few hours. And recorded it on a thousand selfies, updated a thousand times a day to her facebook.
These are inevitable the same twits that call themselves “foodies” – One of my most antagonizing words in his modern usage.
Every time I have traveled with a girl, its been a pain in the ass. Standing around shopping malls, watching as she tries on a million outfits. Eating vegetarian crap at overpriced shitholes, and waiting a hour for her to put on makeup to go to the beach.
Every time I have traveled with guys, its been awesome.
Oh my king! Your Chicano woman must watch a lot of US films hahaha And stop watching so much fake porn because most females are quiet when they come. A virgin boy like you wouldn’t know the difference anyway
blah blah blah, women are so bad, they are so stupid, they are so evil. Anything else to say on this website?
If women are so simple beings, that apparently cannot travelling like a human being, why do you waste so much of your time bitching about them? Shouldn’t you be out there looking for some alpha male?
Women spend their time on twitter arguing about their favorite celebrities the whole day nowadays.http://stormscriptures.wordpress.com/2014/05/02/fan-girl-retorts/
whereas men spend their time on returnofkings bitching about women the whole day nowadays http://www.returnofkings.com/34342/3-reasons-why-travel-doesnt-make-women-more-interesting
i think its common sense women are just daft creatures, not meant to make much impact on the world.
You are absolutely right about that.
What really cracks me up is all this media talk about “strong, independent” women. Women are not strong or independent by any stretch of imagination.
I have scanned through a few of the articles and comments on here, and while I
think it’s commendable to dedicate a website to male self-improvement and
masculinity (why should we compensate our masculinity for the rights of
females?), there are some painfully misinformed beliefs circulating around this
website. Let me address probably the most important, which I’m sure many of you
have a lot to say about, but not much evidence to back it up with.
Females and males are hardwired differently. Females are inferior at spatial
awareness, math, logic, and superior at language and multi-tasking.
Ok first of all, neurologists have long proven that no one can actually
multi-task. Females, stop pretending. Males, just stop it. But more
importantly, this neurosexist belief that males and females are different
intellectually needs to stop. It is damaging to a society that constantly
underestimates the intellectual capabilities of women, forcing them into
“softer” careers through societal pressure. We could have found cures
to multiple cancers or saved the world by now if we had allowed everyone the
opportunity.
Is it beyond your critical thinking skills to think behind the reasoning “women are just less intelligent” when assessing why it is that males
have dominated history in science, philosophy and the arts? Up until the last
half of the last decade, they were denied any opportunity to pursue any of
these careers. A few exceptional women broke through that mould, but they would
have to be much more exceptional than most males to do it. A couple of examples
in music (my field of expertise) would be Alma Mahler and Clara Schumann, the
respective wives of Mahler and Schumann, the former told that “there is
only room for one composer in our household” by Mahler, and the latter
similarly discouraged by her husband and father. When their compositions were
finally published, they were seen to be exquisite. However, their works were
only published because their husbands were already famous composers. What other
female geniuses have we ignored in history because of our integral bias and
sexism?
If you’re not convinced yet, think about how many black males have been famous in
history for their contribution to the arts, science, literature and philosophy.
How could that be? Surely they aren’t less intelligent than white males (or are
you going to make wild, unsupported and racist claims about that, too?)? Or
maybe it’s because of the years of oppression?
This “pop science” belief in the integral intellectual differences between
men and women has long been disproven actually, when it was revealed that some
of those “studies” done to “prove” that women are inferior
in mathematics had less than 20 participants. Let me show you another example.
Two groups of scientists conducted an experiment where women and men were
exposed to different emotional stimuli. One group discovered that women were
more active in the frontal lobe. The other discovered that men were more active
in the frontal lobe (thus proving the unscientific nature of most “scientific
social experiments”, often with wild variables not taken into account).
But they both drew the same conclusion — that women were more emotional. Why?
Because that’s what people wanted to believe, and it supported a long-lived
stereotype. Without proper proof or evaluation, they speculated. And the media
lapped it up like a bunch of thirsty dogs.
In another experiment, females and males were tested against each other on their
mathematical abilities. Prior to the exam, the participants read through a
brief statement about the intentions of the experiment. Something to the
respect of “We would like to test the mathematical abilities of males and
females against each other, of which females are perceived to be inferior” was
read by them. As expected, females performed poorer than their male
counterparts. In another experiment, the same exam was given to the same amount
of males and females. This time, females did not read the disheartening comment
on the front page. Needless to say, they performed almost equally to their male
counterparts in mathematical ability.
As a relatively new field, very few claims from neurologists can actually be backed up with real evidence, and often the results of these “experiments” didn’t match up. In fact, it was discovered that there were just as many experiments done where
males and females presented equally in logic, language, spatial perplexity and
even the impossible “multi-tasking”. However, these studies were not published,
because scientists are more inclined to publish what will get them noticed. Why
publish a study in which differences between the genders are seen to be
nonexistent? No one wants to hear about that.
It’s important to realise that equal rights does not equate to equal opportunities. Females are still underestimated constantly in their careers due to their gender, and this can come from both male and female employers who don’t even realise their bias. Gender is not something we are born with, it’s something that is constructed by our (patriarchal) society. Social conditioning begins at the age of 0, when
parents are inclined to be more affectionate to their newborn girl (as opposed
to their boy), because girls are thought to be “softer” in nature.
So, if girls appear shallow, deceitful and stupid to you, it’s because you have made them this way. Society dictates how they behave, and if they stray from social norms, they will be ostracised the same way you are. Don’t pretend you are all radical free-thinkers and intellectuals – what you say is nothing new, and there is
nothing intellectual about making wild, unsupported claims based on your own
extremely narrow life experience.
You complain that women will only take your money, and then claim they should be denied jobs because they do not meet intellectual male standards. You whine that women will drop their pants for everyone but you, that all women are cheating hoes, yet you write articles about how to cheat on your own girlfriend (“get a mistress”,
sorry). You call women “sluts” for fucking who they want, but don’t even try to
claim you would turn down any of the fat slutty loser women you are so quick to
condemn, for a quick fuck. Unfortunately for most of you, trash can only
attract trash, and that’s probably why you seem to only attract trash. No
wonder you think all women are lying, deceitful, narcissistic, self-entitled,
shallow and stupid, because the only women you are capable of attracting are
the female counterparts of yourself. You admit that respect is something that
needs to be earned; not an automatic entitlement, yet this seemingly does not
apply to women, from whom you demand immediate respect. You call feminists out
for infighting about racism, saying they are incapable of not being bitchy,
with the hilarious claim that “men don’t care what race you are”. Do you need
to be reminded of the years of black slavery, white supremacy and colonialism?
These are not female inventions, indeed, they weren’t even allowed to vote at
that stage, let alone have a say in parliament. You also seem to think that
being racist does not apply to women, but I’ll let you in on a secret fellas,
the way you constantly stereotype, demean and criticise Western women is considered racist.
Now, apparently it’s not good enough for you that women are now outperforming their male counterparts in school and universities. Of course, it’s because women are just better at following rules and rote learning, like sheep. However, the very
(very) few of you who would have done a real degree at an elite university would
know how much critical thinking, logic and rationale is required to even pass a
humanities subject. As for science? Females are graduating with the same grades
as males, and apparently it’s bias when they get jobs? Actually, the facts say
that men are much more likely to be hired in STEM fields after graduation,
despite the fact that the marks are equal. Why do you make things up, with no
evidence whatsoever to support your statements?
I should really wrap things up here as this is turning into some mammoth essay, but I just wanted to point out the logical fallacies in basically all your arguments. Supposedly women are the irrational gender, but most of you can’t even grasp simple logical concepts (like variables in an experiment). So, please support your
unsubstantiated claims with evidence, or admit that you are just giving a
blanket statement to over 3 billion of the world’s population due to your own
insecurities and anger at whatever girl broke your heart in high school.
Oh, and “women are
sluts” due to “biological differences”? Do you even know what biology is?
Most of the people who comment here make me ashamed to be male. No wonder feminism is on the rise. But then again, you are not even worth worrying about to real feminists (read: non-manhating, actually working towards a better world for both men and women feminists). You are merely 5199 out of 645 750 000 users on twitter, the grime at the bottom of the toilet that society hasn’t bothered to clean out yet. No matter, you all have the right to live out your sad lives in hatred and
oppression. Your “radical” notion that demeaning women will get you a LTR will
only work with the stupid girls you hate so much. It’s no wonder that so many
of them cheat on you, you guys are pathetic. I don’t believe or do any of the stuff you say and I have attracted a couple of smart, funny, beautiful women with real values and insight, who won’t expect me to pay the bill when we go out, and isn’t even bothered that I don’t buy her anniversary or Valentine’s day presents (really!). The world isn’t the dark place you think it is.
Now I challenge any of you to back up just one of your claims with hard evidence.
Well put. There is really nothing to add.
I also agree that multitasking is not possible. I can’t remember how many times i’ve heard some woman claiming to be better at multitasking than men. Pretty amusing.
I feel the need to address just one thing more, a comment I read from someone who claims that women shouldn’t have sex with many males before marriage (for men it doesn’t matter, obviously). Apparently, this is because 80% of females that divorce their husbands had multiple sexual partners before getting married. While this statistic may be true, the conclusion that marrying a virgin will make your marriage happier is nothing short of stupid. Let’s think about how many Western women actually remain virgins until marriage. Do you think it would largely be for religious reasons? Yes. Do you also think that the same type of girl to save herself for marriage, would be the same type of girl who feels shame in instigating a divorce? Yes. And how is divorce treated in religious communities? Not very well.
Can you follow my logic, or do I have to spell it out? Variables were not considered, and again, speculation occurred without any hard evidence.
Also, divorce rates are an abysmal way to test happiness in marriage. There are plenty of unhappy marriages containing couples who won’t divorce.
ok, so when someone actually takes the time to put their critiques into well organized paragraphs instead of calling us basement dwelling losers I feel that person deserves a response, so here goes.
Humans exhibit a phenomenon called sexual dimorphism. That is, males and females have different average levels of muscle mass, bone density, height, and yes, mental attributes. The reason this occuurs in humans is bcs the human female’s gestation period (the time from insemination to the time that her child is able to be reasonably independent) is the longest in the animal kingdom-clocking in at a whopping 2 years. I will not bother to link to the numerous scientific studies showing the psychological differences between men and women as a cursory google search should be more than sufficient, but it is completely irrational to think that in the natural environment women would have evolved the same exact mental attributes as men, when mens and womens roles were so much different. Oh what the hell, check this out if you have the time
http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/12/03/male-and-female-brains-are-wired-differently-alert-the-feminists/
Here’s another thing to consider: lets say you’re right and women really are as competent at math and science and everything else as men. Lets say women start becoming captains of industry and curers of diseases and designers of great public works. What do they not do then? They dont have enough babies to replace the current population, and the nation’s genetic stock is diluted with third world immigrants and dysgenic breeding where the smartest women have one or two designer in vitro fertilized children in the their 30s/40s. I highly recommend Roosh’s excellent essay on this topic
http://www.rooshv.com/cultural-collapse-theory
Just be careful brother, now you’re treading into dark waters…here be serpents…
I appreciate you taking the time to read my huge comment and respond in a non-insulting way. However, I’m afraid linking me to a bias website with no scientific basis will not cut it for me. The only actual information the website provides is that a scan of 1000 brains (which is actually not a lot, too, and leaves for a huge margin of error. Were all these people from the same country? Race? Class? Upbringing?) of men and women produced different physical results. It’s also a fact that men’s brains are 10% bigger than women’s, however, women’s brains consist of more connections between the neurons, resulting in a faster and more efficient brain. It is therefore safe to assume that neither brain is superior, as far as physical evidence goes.
Now, for the speculation.
“Ragini Verma, a researcher at the University of Pennsylvania, said the greatest surprise was how much the findings supported old stereotypes, with men’s brains apparently wired more for perception and co-ordinated actions, and women’s for social skills and memory, making them better equipped for multitasking.”
Please explain to me how men’s brains being more active in the front and back lobe lead to men being better wired for perception and co-ordinated actions.
Before you say this is scientific fact, it’s not. It’s speculation with no hard evidence. Neurology is still a new field, and it is incredibly hard to prove things that you can’t see on a brain scan.
Interestingly enough, this website, which has many more sources from real scientific articles than the website you provided, states contradictory information to what you just said.
http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/men-women-different-brains1.htm
“The study found that parts of the frontal lobe, responsible for problem-solving and decision-making, were larger in women.”
But how can that be? The website you provided just stated that men’s brains were more active in the frontal lobe.
Notice how howstuffworks is actually a real academic website, whereas your website is run purely for the purpose of destroying feminism, consequently using wrong scientific facts to try and prove a point, while at the same time manipulating the words of “scientists” to suit their bias opinion.
It is also interesting to note that environmental factors account for about 80% of brain development (there have been many studies). So, if a woman is told her whole life she can’t do science, she can’t do math, she can’t read maps etc. etc., it’s to be expected that they will perform poorer than males in an examination setting. I’m a music teacher and when I provide equal encouragement, there is no difference between the way boys and girls comprehend the logical concepts behind music theory that I have to teach them.
Now for your (or Roosh’s) second point, the “collapse of society.” Let me start by saying that the inevitability of the decline of the population due to more women having advanced careers is a good thing. I’m bewildered as to why you would think it necessary to replace the current population, when the world is already so overpopulated. Overpopulation is a serious problem that is draining the world of its natural resources, and it will one day kill the entire of humanity. So, even though I’ve already delivered my strongest point, which is that the emancipation of women and consequent declination of the population is actually imperative to survival of the human race, I will continue to address some of Roosh’s points.
1. Removal of religious narrative
Not going to go too far into this, because religion is a sensitive topic. But basically, I think organised religion has a long history of preventing human progress, rather than adding to it. Also, this point seems to be linked mainly with the “family formation” and lack of reproduction. Again, lack of reproduction is a good thing.
2. Elimination of traditional sex roles
As I’ve already stated, it is necessary for the advancement of the human race to eliminate traditional sex roles which oppress both men and women. This is why we need feminism (and if you’re wondering why it’s not called “equalism”, it’s because an equalist view ignores the long history of oppression, and assumes that everyone, male and female, black and white, is born on an equal plane. This is simply not true, and this website is proof). Despite what you think, feminism works to serve both males and females equally through abolishment of the oppression of women (except for a few angry man-haters who don’t count, and don’t help the cause). The oppression of women leads to women being denied opportunities, and all the pressure falling on men. A lot of you are complaining about women taking all your money. Well, they have no choice in a society that denies them career opportunities. Men are just as oppressed, they are condemned for wanting to be family men, teachers and child carers. They are told to “man up”, whereas women are always excused for weak behaviour. It’s well known that women are favoured in courts over battles related to child custody and divorce. This is not fair, for men or women. It assumes that women cannot provide for themselves and are only good as mothers, and that it is a man’s job to provide for them financially. A society in which people are not allowed to operate to their full potential is not an ideal one.
3. Delay of family formation
Already addressed this a couple of times. Overpopulation is bad. Also, this point seems to address only what negative things will happen to men if women outperform them in the career world (withdraw, become video game nerds etc.). This is an incredibly stupid assumption and filled with “This is the way I want things so that’s the way things should be” mentality without thinking of the greater cause.
4. Decrease of birth rates
Read above.
And the rest of the essay is about immigration, which I have many opinions on but won’t express them at this moment, as it is off topic.
Well I read the whole article believe it or not, and I dont know why you chose that as a careful reading supports my viewpoint lol! Choice quote: “psychologist Sandra Witelson found that those neurons were most densely crowded on certain layers of the cortex, namely the ones responsible for signals coming in and out of the brain. This, Witelson believed, may be one reason why women tend to score higher on tests that involve language and communication, and she came to believe that these differences were present from birth.”
The article went on for the next two pages about how male/female brains were different. Yes, environment has an impact, but the message I got out of it was that gender has a way bigger impact. Plus, there’s other things too, like the fact that men/boys have more testosterone, levels which girls/women reach only with drugs. Not to get personal, but I suspect that you dont have kids, or aren’t familiar with little kids. Give a boy dolls, and you will find them smashed to pieces or used as action figues. Give a girl trucks, and you will find them driving to a tea party. Source: I helped raise my two younger brothers as a teenager, plus have experience working with kids.
The whole bit about feminism good for men-dont buy it for one second. sorry, that’s just a load of crap that feminists use to get men to willingly disenfranchise themselves. Sure, go ahead and wear a skirt while doing the dishes and making half of what your wife/gf makes. See where that gets you. Again, not gonna bother linking to the numerous studies showing househusbands get divorced more/have less sex, the info is out there if you care to look (I believe the NYT did an article about that recently).
Besides, call me an old fashioned caveman if you want, but I actually LIKE being a man and doing mascuilne things. I LIKE the locker room shit talking, doing something cool and dangerous like motorcycle riding, gun shooting, and most of all, I LIKE giving my gf nice things and treating her (within reason of course). I dont know you so dont get offended, but guys who dont like gender roles are in my experience mostly the pusses who never fit in with other men, cant relate to other men, and are not comfortable being men themselves. I was this way too growing up, until I joined the military, that taught me a lot about being a man.
Finally, about population decline, I just wanna point out that the developed world where most innovation in science, medicine, and art is coming from is going thru population decline, while most parts of the underdeveloped world is going thru population boom. This is a dysgenic effect which will have dire consequences. Sure, maybe the africans will get their act together, but Im not putting money on it. A question tho: is there a point where population decline stops? Like, how low does the population of lets say poland have to be before its ok for them to start having kids again? Or do we go thru population decline until theres no more europeans or americans or japanese left, because its “good for the environment.” just curious.
The article is about the physical differences between men and women’s brains, which I am not denying. As you can see, the quote you’ve chosen actually states, “this MAY be ONE reason why women tend to score higher on tests that require language and communication”. While it would be naive to say that men and women aren’t different, I think that the differences are often grossly exaggerated. What Sandra Witelson said was a speculation, it was not proof. She saw that women tended to score higher in languages, and suggested one physical difference in their brain that may have attributed to it. This is not hard evidence. Similarly, people can say men’s physical differences are the reason they tend to score better at math. That doesn’t make it true.
Now for these “tests” that supposedly determined that women are superior at languages while men are superior at math. I am not endorsing everything written in the link that I posted, since they have speculated too much on tests that were both unscientific and outdated. If you look at school results between boys and girls in the youngest generation, girls have outperformed boys for the first time in math in the UK. I haven’t researched it yet, but I’m willing to bet that there was little to no difference between the sexes in languages, too. Environmental factors are the main cause for intellectual disparity between the genders.
Your point about testosterone is valid of course, but that doesn’t mean that some girls aren’t born with high levels of testosterone and some boys aren’t born with high levels of oestrogen. Is it fair to assume every person fits into the mould of their gender? Some people are even born with a vagina, but feel they are male inside. As for your theory on gender roles and marriage, couples who don’t follow rigid gender rules are less likely to be religious, and therefore more likely to divorce. Clearly these variables were not considered or just ignored by you. I don’t believe for one second that nonconformation to traditional sex roles are responsible for divorce. Also, I have read something completely opposite to the information that you have provided — that couples which are more equal actually have more sex. I can’t be bothered to repeat this since I just wrote it in another comment so I’ll copy and paste:
Even if you refuse scientific fact, and continue to believe that women in general are less capable in some fields, it is not fair or good for our society to assume that every of the 3 billion women on earth are the same, and consequently deny “women” as a whole the opportunity to pursue high-end careers. To assume that, because of some outdated “experiments” that have long been scientifically disproven, every single man on this planet is more intelligent than every single woman is completely idiotic. There are always exceptions, and there are many, many women whose mathematic and intellectual skills exceed that of the average man. Therefore, we are preventing progress as a society by demanding that all of them adopt full-times roles as stay-at-home mothers and wives. Some women aren’t fit for working life (as are some men), and will therefore continue to adopt traditional gender roles. However, to deny every woman other opportunities is incongruent with a progressive society.
It’s good that you enjoy being a man and I am in no way saying that you or anyone is forbidden to practice traditional gender roles. However, I think this selfish “this is the way I want things so that’s the way it should be” attitude needs to stop. People have the right to do whatever and be whoever they want. You don’t like strong, independent women who don’t like wearing kilos of make up or submitting to everything you say? Fine. But you shouldn’t expect every woman to suit your feminine ideal, either.
Do you want to know why population decline has occurred only in the first world? A mixture of abolishment of traditional gender roles and religion, and education. This is a good thing. The only reason the third world is experiencing a population boom is because of a lack of these three things. Your questions don’t really support your point. Of course people will always procreate. No one is saying that the increased number of women in the workfield will lead to the human race dying out completely.
Lol, I thought this was a woman writing this why you speaking so much to defend them?
Truth is, you are right women can have honor. Women can laugh while sending their sons off to martyrdom to protect justice and the weak.
That is true, another thing people don’t realize is that traditionally people married as teens.
Pre marital sex taboo meant you hit puberty at 14 wait until your marriage at 16. Not 25 or 35 lol it goes against human nature.
Other than that, yes most men here or in the movement don’t understand how to build society. It doesn’t matter, they are doing something positive and the current regime is tyrannical.
What group it favors today it can replace tomorrow. Rule of the righteous or righteousness aka Dharam Raaj is required.
For this, a Dharam Yudh or War of Righteousness or War of Religion is required. You guys call it ‘total war’, that will come you will give your head and gain the status or be at the bottom.
Neither Rockefeller nor Bush are alpha. Alpha males are the glue that keeps societies together and keep people beholden to honor and obligations.
Yes, females may not understand honor, but they can live under an honor system. It requires the men to do the same though, and yes a change of system from capitalism to feudalism or w.e you want to call an honor culture requires revolution.
Third world men, told white men they would rather live with nothing than be slaves. You guys laughed and talked of civilization well look now.
We wish you all the best. For all men are brothers, and all humanity one family.
Let each live with honor amd dignity, and each who transgresses be met with deadly force.
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I’m going to say something that may shock you now. It’s possible for men to be passionate about women’s rights. Whoa. Did I just blow your mind? Probably, because no one on this website seems to understand that women’s rights are imperative for the progression of women AND men, and our society at large. See below for some of my points.
No, I get that but the government that wants control is tyraniccal period.
You can’t really discuss rights for women while boht men and women are in an open air prison.
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Agreed, governments can be tyrannical. Still don’t think fighting for women’s rights is a bad thing though.
Women’s rifhts are really a way for white women, to be able to import colored men. I hope you know that..
I tell you this as a Jatt Punjabi male.
White women and lighter brown men are considered the most attractive out of their respective sexes I hope you know that..
If I were you I hope oppose this, there is ‘justice and rights’ and there is self-preservation.
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You have a very narrow-minded view of “women’s rights”. I’m not denying the racism that is often present in feminist agenda, but equality between the sexes is a very basic concept.
Also, just because you’re not white, doesn’t mean you can speak for all non-white women.
Keep your vagina to yourself.
Yeah, I know very few women as ‘friends’.
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This is one of those times when I hate the internet. I can’t look you in the eye and say to you really? Really Sean? I will admit this your side is winning and winning big, at least in what is known as Western Civilization. Be advised that someday, I don’t know when, the blowback is coming. It will not be pretty.
Sorry to break this to you mate, but you’ve been brainwashed by the leftist feministic system. Men and women are different. In general, men prefer science and maths like engineering and women prefer more social jobs like nursing. If their is a free choice most women will stay away from math and men will gravitate towards it in general. That is because men and women are different, biologically. You think this is all social pressure, but the reality is it is a combination of biology and social pressure, and most of it is biology. That is why there aren’t many important women in history. They don’t like doing hard mathematical research. They don’t like thinking as much. They prefer to do something else.
You are so brainwashed to think what I’m going to say next is racist, while it is merely the truth. Blacks have lower iq than whites, again, on average, by like a whopping 15 iq points. Before you go on about blacks being more lower class citizens, the same iq difference is shown when blacks are adopted in upper class families.
Remember you are a man and should critically overthink every article. This article shows the experiences of the writer. I realize not every women is like the woman described in the article, just like not every black men has a lower iq than a white man or how every woman would prefer nursing over engineering. If I find a woman who travels a lot I will not immediately dislike her because of this article. I will take into account this man’s experience and make my own critical analysis whether I like the girl or not.
I prefer to believe facts, not propaganda, probably because I’m a lot more intelligent and logical than most people on this website. Everything written on RoK regarding women is propaganda, without any factual evidence (hint: personal experience doesn’t count. Credible scientific articles do).
You say women prefer social jobs, which is true. However, I think this is entirely due to social pressure and bias that still exists against them in these fields (this website is proof of this). I also think that many men who might not be very good at things like science and engineering, are pulled into these fields anyway for fear that they might be emasculated if they enter a career path on the “social” side of things. And women who are talented in math and science are consequently discouraged. As I’ve already said, equal rights does not equate to equal opportunities, and women have the former but not the latter. Please reread my paragraph on the various studies done that prove women are no less capable in the math and science field when they were not previously discouraged. Environmental factors make up 80% of our brain development. Women were raised in an environment where they believe they are less capable at science and math. This is why they might perform poorer than men.
If you think I’m just making up excuses, look at some of the stats of the youngest generation. For the first time, girls are outperforming boys in math at school. This is proof that discouragement stunts people’s potential. As for your point that “there aren’t many important women in history”, just think about what you’re saying here. For most of history, women weren’t even taught to read and write, and seldom went to school or university. Furthermore, they were expected to be full-time wives and mothers and forbidden from working. Do you think Einstein and Newton were uneducated and forbidden from studying? No, not only were they educated because they were men, but also because they were white and middle class. Tell me why there aren’t more important black people in history.
As for your statement about the IQ of black people, please link me to a credible, SCIENTIFIC source that states this.
None of you seem like particularly progressive or even independent thinkers, the way the same crap is recycled on this website and regurgitated as gospel truth. So my next point might be a little foreign to you. But, even if you refuse scientific fact, and continue to believe that women in general are less capable in some fields, it is not fair or good for our society to assume that every of the 3 billion women on earth are the same, and consequently deny “women” as a whole the opportunity to pursue high-end careers. To assume that, because of some bogus, outdated “experiments” that have long been scientifically disproven (or whyever else you believe women are less intelligent), every single man on this planet is more intelligent than every single woman is completely idiotic. There are always exceptions, and there are many, many women whose mathematic and intellectual skills exceed that of the average man. Therefore, we are preventing progress as a society by demanding that all of them adopt full-times roles as stay-at-home mothers and wives. Some women aren’t fit for working life (as are some men), and will therefore continue to adopt traditional gender roles. However, to deny every woman these opportunities is incongruent with a progressive society.
Another thing. Even if a woman’s only aspiration is to be a mother and wife, it is no more her job to look good for you than it is yours to look good for her. The greasy fatties who read this website all day in a tracksuit should not expect any woman to go to any more effort than he does with her looks. They are not there for your pleasure only — they are people too, and I think the demeaning way this website constantly refers to women is disgusting. I know you all tend to exaggerate for attention or whatever, but sheesh. Don’t pretend you are any less narcissistic, self-entitled, attention-seeking and shallow than the women you condemn. You don’t deserve respect from any woman, and you aren’t entitled to anything. Oh, and the way you constantly call women “sluts” while simultaneously dropping your pants for every fat loser who has your balls around her neck, makes me sick. Your double standards are completely without logic and reason.
Hey sean want to arm wrestle? I’m old.
LOL, But can you give a factual explanation of the “biological difference” that makes women sluts….please…make my day
Just from the comments it’s soo clear to see that this manosphere can be easily destroyed. Most of these “alphas” are pathetic lonely bitchess!!!
True. The okcupid website is filled with upper middle class white woman boasting of all the traveling they have done. It makes me sick. Most of it is voluntarism. They went to Africa to look at the sick poor Africans and pitch in for a few weeks to build a school than bounced or worse like Amanda knox they went to a foreign country to basically screw some foreign guy and end up in a crazy murder plot. White woman should not be allowed to travel and gawk at the rest of the worlds poor
I know, how sickening is it when people volunteer their time for others less fortunate than them? Gross.
Indeed. The following article in the ny times lays out the pros and cons of voluntourism http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2014/04/29/can-voluntourism-make-a-difference.
Voluntourism gives upper middle class white people a chance to feel good about themselves and strips the poor in other countries of their dignities. There are far better ways to help the impoverished in developing nations. However, you seem like the type that doesn’t get nuance. Read and expand your mind and you might see otherwise and you might realize your one sided sarcasm is pointless at best.
I agree that upper middle class white people often volunteer for the wrong reasons, and that it takes away an aspect of dignity from the less fortunate. However, volunteering your time for a good cause should never be condemned. Its benefits far outweigh the consequences.
OKStupid is a lower class Free dating site with a high % of hat hatted fat hooligan negro females. You must be from the gutter or living in a box if you believe that’s middle class.
And only complete losers would bother with online dating. There are females all around you every day so get out of the cellar pyjama boy.
Women travel for the same reason they go to college – to find exotic men outside their neighborhood to fuck. A “well traveled” girl is a just a prostitute with a passport, there is functionally no other outcome. If you want a girl with fuck phantoms from four continents rather than one have at.
I….honestly cannot even BELIEVE I just read this. Snarky, that’s for sure, but is his horizon of women seriously that limited? What about the working class non-Anglo twentysomethings? I bet every bit of what he’s saying he’s experienced in a conversation with women and their “travels” is true, but he just went way too far. Tourism is one thing, but the majority of students who study abroad do so for language/culture intensive purposes, particularly in non-English speaking countries. So for instance how can you discredit the ambition of an American woman fluent French or Spanish or Arabic, who’s traveled to these countries, just because she happens to be having a bs conversation with you?
I can discredit it because the only reason they learned to speak French, Spanish, or Arabic (thank you daddy’s credit card) is because they did it to fuck French, Spanish, and Arabic men. You don’t need to learn to speak those languages to prostitute yourself to foreign men but this was the motivating factor.
Your response indicates that you know hardly any women. You must be pretty sad.
Unless you want to avoid that same tired conversation about how you “hate women” (which judging by this thread and other articles most of you have a deep-seated gross aversion towards females at MINIMUM) then you would plausibly agree that the only reason why men learn languages and study abroad is to fuck foreign women. My thing is, whats wrong with that? Fucking is apart of life. Oh, but of course just a young woman traveling is a PROSTITUTE, and instead of spending thousands of hours studying a new tongue, a language was just zapt into their heads with a swipe of a Visa. Yup.
But what is most misguided about your response to my comment is that instead of just owing up to the reality of the situation (that there are sexy, cultured women who’ve been to places you haven’t) you desperately need to convolute it and simplify it down to the objectification of the female. To add some clarity to my assessment– I don’t speak any of these languages and have never been to any of these places either. Therefore I have no stake in this, aside from dissecting your angst, stupidity, and busting your blue-balls. “Daddys credit card”, how original.
ur going to be hard-pressed to find a man that respects you in the future
Very true. Foreigners love American and British Women because they know they have a good chance of getting into her panties. I’m no mysonogist but facts are facts.
Fat Britties are harder to fight off than mosquitos.
I believe women make the same mistake with world travel as they do with nearly everything. “If I go to college and receive an education (in anything), that means I’ve gained intelligence. If I climb the corporate ladder, my life is fulfilled and thus I’ve attained independence (albeit with loneliness and regret). And finally, if I go to the post office and get a passport, travel to a foreign country (preferably with potable water and wifi), that means I’m well-cultured.”
Thus the female logic wheel spins…..
“If I go to college and receive an education (in anything), that means
I’ve gained intelligence. If I climb the corporate ladder, my life is
fulfilled and thus I’ve attained independence (albeit with loneliness
and regret).”
In traditional gender roles, it’s the MEN who did these things and thought this way, not the women.
Getting a passport and traveling to a foreign country IS how you become well cultured, at least the first step to becoming well cultured. Going to a foreign country with potable water and wifi, while it’s not the most culturally shocking as it would be without these things, it most certainly makes one more cultured than if they just stay at home and bitch about women on the internet. It also takes a hell of a lot more balls than what you’re doing right now.
Also, I’d just like to mention: for all you guys complaining about the “sluts who sleep with only traveling white men” when they travel, you do realize sex is a two way street, right? The men are in the exact same bar as them, probably just as drunk as them, staying in the same hostels as them, doing exactly the same thing as them, except the difference is in my experiences traveling is men are more often than women the ones obsessed with having casual sex with basically anyone.
Sadly, I think the majority of people are not improved by travel. Many English tourists just want everything they get at home, transplanted to whatever country they go to. Instead of trying Spanish food for example, they want fish and chips in Spain.
Female traveler here: Traveled alone, basically no-one spoke English – experienced all the struggles above and managed to do it without wring a blog about how special I am because I’m [fe]male. I know plenty of males “better traveled” than me who are limited to tour
groups and bars and learnt nothing of the culture. One has been to 10
countries and never stayed in a youth hostel!
Your experience with females, notably picking up young, idiotic ones in pubs, is not reflective of the rest of us.
all the men reading your comment are so impressed by you! you’re so traveled and worldly! you must be a fascinating woman!
All you gave us is a “NotAll”. Who ever said that there are no women who travel like the articles described? But the fact that some women do travel like that does not in any way prove that most women do it. I want to know how many women like you actually exist compared to men.
But anyway…the article was also discussion the motivation by undertaking traveling. What was your reason to travel? If you say personal growth or to find meaning…that’s not a good sign. Traveling for traveling’s sake is fine by me.
I fail to see how any of these traits are exclusive to female travelers. This pretty much describes the drawbacks of aimlessly traveling the world among both genders.
I am a Canadian woman and have traveled extensively. I have been to a total of one resort, and have actually gone on many adventures with just one other person. There were no sex capades or getting sloshed. Just a long adventure with a friend. How does this not enhance my life?
wow u sound so empowered and strong! you go girl!
Women love their noble savages. I know a few girls who have “traveled through” India, Thailand and Malaysia and apparently everything there is just happy slappy and amazing.
Counter arguments don’t count if you haven’t physically been there yourself. I guess the invention of written language, audio and film was in vain…
Why does the article assume that women (or men for that matter, or anyone!) needs some sort of justifiable reason to travel??? I’m a woman that has travelled around the world extensively. I have never done tours and I have never gotten drunk or had sex while overseas. I’ve done some incredibly challenging, awesome, and scary things.. Met lots of locals who I am still friends with today and learned languages (Russian and Chinese). But even if I had done tours, gotten totally wasted, and had lots of sex, why the hell should I be embarrassed?? Going on a tour group, traveling because you work hard and just want to enjoy a damn vacation IS NOT SHAMEFUL. I mean seriously!? Are you saying travel can only be meaningful if its done the “serious introspective way?” Tour groups and mindless partying are not my idea of a good trip, but some people like it and who the hell am I to tell them they are doing it wrong? It’s their money, and they shouldn’t have to live up to some elitist, arbitrary standards of the “right way” to see the world. The author is being totally unfair to both men and women in this way (way more so to women but that’s another argument).
My travel experiences don’t make me “more interesting” because my goal in traveling is not to impress people! I travel because I WANT to. I don’t think about why OTHER PEOPLE want me to travel. I don’t think whether my experiences make me seem interesting, I travel because it makes ME happy and it make ME feel like a better person. I go and I explore because I WANT to. I do it for ME. Not you. Not my friends. Not dudes who might ask me out. ME. MY LIFE. MY EXPERIENCE. MY ENJOYMENT. And I could care less if you are impressed. I learned things. I set goals and accomplished them. I stepped out of my comfort zone. And you know what, I had a hell of a good time doing that. I don’t need to justify my intentions or validate my experiences to anyone but myself. Not embarrassed. Not humiliated. Not one bit. Go places, have fun. The end.
This all one guy’s a oppinion. I know plenty of girls who’ve worked months to afford a trip some to experience the culture not get laid…
And yet. It seems undoubtedly obvious to me that a woman who travels is far more interesting than the misogynistic men on this outdated bullshit website who seem to be here to try and dump their multiple failings at women because these women no longer adhere to their sexist outdated conventions. Newsflash. Its not the stoneage anymore. If a women wants to go out and get laid she deserves no more judgment than the judgment you’d give to your fellow males. If she doesn’t want to cook for you anymore than you want to cook for her. Don’t you dare fucking judge her. Just maybe. Its possible that times have changed, and society has evolved so maybe you should too with these ideals of women chained to the kitchen and bed all to service your ‘superior’ needs and wants. Guess what guys? A whole of lot of women don’t find that attitude all that appealing anymore. In fact. Most find it downright distasteful and chauvinistic
ha ha the 21st century female on display for all to see! you go girl! one day you’re going to find ur happinezz!
This whole article is ridden with gross generalisations of women and of men. Do you believe that women have no desire to travel for anything more than “YOLO” and sex? I’m so glad my girlfriend won’t read this article, because it diminishes her and every other woman down to virtually nothing. Yes, I agree that there are women who are like that, but that is no excuse to say all of them are. “travel doesn’t make women interesting” my ass. I’d never want my daughters going out with men who are so sexist, in all honesty.
A parallel is useful here. “i love the outdoors” should be vetted as it often means she loves walking from the Ritz Carlton penthouse to the beach chair rentals and back again. Look for women with demonstrated athleticism. Some of the coolest women you’ll ever travel with are rock climbers. Recruit from areas known for outdoor adenaline junkies (Colorado, Utah, Oregon, Washington.) Awesome travel buddy women are out there; one of them taught me to be an outdoorsman and world traveler. She wasn’t marriage material but when it came to travel, she had where it counted and then some 😉
Always found it strange when ever I asked a western woman how her overseas holiday was they always answered “nice” but never any details – so I figured “nice” means to a western woman is “I had a holiday BUT didn’t get laid”.. And yet when the same question to a western man the answer is everything from the sightseeing, bars, chicks to misadventures.
Er, only three? I’m quite sure these articles are meant to have five reasons as minimum otherwise the women have won.