How To Get A Good Education Without Going To College

Is college worth the price? Will college be a waste of time? These are questions that people today ask themselves starting in high school, perhaps more than at any point in the last 30 years. It continues after high school, where one still contemplates whether the risk is worth the possible rewards. I pondered them myself after graduating in 2011 and, after having a brief stint in community college, I made the decision not to bother at all with college. There were too many reasons to be skeptical; as one should be.

College tuition continues to increase along with student debt. If you get some sort of scholarship or grant then you don’t have to worry about this. But for the rest of us, some or much of this money comes out of our own pockets. Is it really worth paying off debt well into your 30’s or even 40’s? Shockingly, some people have reached mid-life and still have student debt. Even more shocking, the growth rate of college tuition has outpaced medical care, housing prices, and even family incomes  by a wide margin.



Education has also been significantly dumbed-down over the past several decades, where colleges have opted for student (customer) retention rather than true education. These students will suffer more when they enter the work force. It goes without saying that there are many degrees today that are useless, such as liberal arts and gender studies. Not as much emphasis is placed on the useful subjects that can benefit everyone, such as physics, math, chemistry, foreign languages, etc. In fact, if you look at the worldwide rankings you will see that the United States (despite spending among the most on education) isn’t even ranked in the top 10 in math, reading, or science.

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We’re below average in every fucking category. Isn’t that sad? People here in the United States like to boast about being the world’s superpower, but the only thing keeping us in that position is military power. It’s certainly not our education system. This doesn’t bode well for the young millennials like me, not to mention the forthcoming generations.

Some people like to go to college to “find themselves.” This never made any sense to me. Why waste 4 to 6 years and thousands of dollars discovering who you are? All it should take is a bit of introspection and confidence before putting things into action. Besides, some people tend to figure these kinds of things out faster than others. Not all of us want to waste our 20s dicking around.

Some guys choose the military route while others go to a trade school or go on the entrepreneurial route. But there are some guys out there that are still interested in obtaining a form of education before they do these things. For those men, there is some good news: knowledge is now more decentralized than it has ever been in human history. It is extremely easy to access the kind of information you want, and I have included a few recommendations: is full of online courses from colleges around the world. Classes range from calculus and engineering to science and computer science; you are likely to find something worth your time. Once registered, you can start the class any time you want on your own schedule. When you are finished with a course, you get a certificate of recognition. Some courses may require you to have an understanding of a different subject before jumping in. You can’t be poor in math but jump into engineering. is similar to Coursera; but focuses more on tech-minded subjects such as software engineering, artificial intelligence, and programming. Codecademy teaches how to code interactively. Like Coursera, you may have to go through a different course if you are rusty. For example, some understanding of statistics 101 are required for the introduction to artificial intelligence.

Duolingo, busuu, and yesjapan are for those interested in  learning foreign languages. The first link doesn’t have every language, but is good for those wanting to start Spanish, German, French, Italian, etc. If you live in the United States I would consider learning some Spanish for the sake of practicality, since it’s becoming more important in our daily lives. The second link,, has certain languages such as Chinese, Japanese, and Arabic which aren’t available on Duolingo. The third link (YesJapan) is focused solely on Japanese.

If you live near a library, you can also avail yourself of the books and other possible learning tools there. Lastly, youtube and other sites allow us to take advantage of free lectures. The best part about all these websites is that they are organized, helpful, and free. By simply applying yourself and spending time on self-directed learning, you will find yourself with an education that far surpasses those who opt to spend tens of thousands of dollars at a degree mill.

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98 thoughts on “How To Get A Good Education Without Going To College”

  1. One of the biggest problems with colleges is now they are another profit machine that will let every one in to get more and more tuition money. It used to be difficult to be accepted because the focus was on the quality of the educational product and keeping the prestige of the college.
    “We’re below average in every fucking category”
    This is because we let below average students into college. Secondary education is a joke in this country.

    1. The school system is churning out sub-par students. Universities had to sadly adapt to a lower quality market.

    2. This is truth. My major started with 400 students, graduated with 20. Probably about 200 dropped out, the other dnf’s picked dumbed down majors.

  2. I went to college for about half a semester after graduating high school, which was the absolute limit of how long I could deny it was a scam. I decided to find full-time work instead, because I believed that that experience would be more valuable to future employers than the rubber stamp of college attendance.
    I was right. Not only was I able to pay off the entire debt of my student loans the first time they sent me the bill (six months after dropping out), but dropping out got me hired two years later.
    During an interview, I was asked what my proudest accomplishment was. I answered that it was the moment I dropped out of college, because I could see how much time and money it was wasting for my peers. Two weeks later, I was working there, in a position that normally requires a bachelor’s degree.
    So should you go to college? If you are planning to be a doctor or engineer, or wish to become a parasite of the financial or legal sectors, than yes. Otherwise, absolutely not!

  3. Great article. It’s a breath of fresh air from the usual depressing stories of our civilization’s decline.
    I’m too late as I went through university young and naive and came out with a useless degree. At least I paid off all my loans now, so I’m free.
    There are a ton of online materials and courses where you can learn stuff for free. Youtube also has lot of channels for pretty much anything you want to learn more about. It’s really up to you to go search for them.

  4. Technically America is below average in most categories. But that is because of certain factors that bring the test scores waaaaay down. If you only used the test score of the Caucasians and Asians in this country we would be first or runner up at least. only when Hispanics and blacks are factored in do you see America being on the bottom of the scale. So our country does produce the best but we have a lot of people holding us back.

    1. If you live in Asia* you’ll see that at least 95% of the people are borderline retarded and/or straight out of the countryside. The reason those results are so high is because only a select few are tested.
      *I exclude Japan and Korea from this statement. Those guys/girls are pretty smart.

      1. So, in Asian countries, only a select few are tested. But in the US, the select few are really smart, but all them colored folk drag down the average? Makes sense…… Not!
        If you look at who studies the difficult subjects at the top US universities, it’s a bunch of Chinese and Indian guys. And some Russians. Along with a smattering of natives, most of whom are Jews. If you don’t include Jews amongst Caucasians, white folk aren’t looking so good anymore, either.
        And it’s the same thing if you look at who succeeds in difficult positions once out in the workplace; with perhaps the most notable difference being a bunch of older caucasians from back when things were marginally less effed up, and an over representation of Mormons.

        1. Actually it makes sense for a few reasons.
          Firstly, observation (go to SE Asia and tell me I’m wrong).
          Secondly, propaganda. On a limb here, I know, but I have little reason to doubt that China wouldn’t limit it’s test results to only people who went to Secondary school… preferably not out in the sticks… which is not a large percentage of the population; a lot of them are farmers or factory workers.
          Thirdly, population size = more variance. The Asians I came in contact with in the Western world are pretty much in the top 5% (just a rough guess), as that’s pretty much the percentage of intelligent Asians I came in contact with when actually living there.
          Note: I’m not being racist here (for once). I’m just suggesting the possibility/probability that the black and white data isn’t all that black and white… especially when it comes to a country like China (whom Google agreed to censor their internet for).

      2. Just when I though this was what I did need, I though the curses were free :s not sure if my parents will like spend money on them, since i am already in 2 careers : / and I still don’t have work on my own : P

        1. Huh? I’m not Asian, I’ve just spent a few years there. Not sure if you’re playing on words or not (curses instead of courses).

        2. ooopss as you can see from my surname, i am not a native from the anglo-sphere, funny that one of my careers is English teacher 😛 As you can see most of my English is good and can communicate, but there are still some considerable mistakes … I am also studying Mandarin Chinese

  5. I’m in college and let me tell you, you had better agree with the fems and libs if you want to stay in class.

      1. Agreed. They will at least respect you even if they hate your guts. You might get some brownie BJs jut for the respect.

        1. This is true in terms of undergraduate.
          At the graduate level when your supervisor has absolute control over your career you have to be wary of outshining the master.

      2. Not when your “elective class” is graded subjectively. You call a fat feminist professor out, your basically fucked for the class.

    1. I dropped out of college at age 21. After the age of 40 I achieved if that’s the word for it, 3 college degrees. Two Bachelor’s and one Master’s. All three are in liberal arts subjects and I can say unequivocally I enjoyed my studies immensely and they did little of nothing to further my bank account. In graduate school I was one of the top 4 in a cohort of 29. When I told the head of the department what I wanted to write my thesis on I thought her head would come off. Let’s just say the topic was dynamite from a PC standpoint. After some back and forth she agreed. I even got an A on the thesis and if you want to know the truth I was quite proud of my scholarship. However when we received our diplomas the other 3 top students got special recognition and I received none. It was made known to me in a subtle but strong manner that I was not welcome to pursue a PhD in the subject at this particular institution. No career in academia for me, which was too bad because I was ready to leave the rat race, I love to do research, and my perspective on things was needed. So yes you can hold your ground in liberal arts academia, but you will pay the price one way or another.

  6. I’m at the tail end of completing my Masters degree.
    What did I learn?
    I don’t want to work in an office.

    1. I’m in my last semester of my M.S. I can say that I learned absolutely nothing new from it compared to my B.S. Out of all my years of higher education, all only helpful classes took place during my undergrad. They were:
      Wine Appreciation
      Analog Circuits
      Financial Accounting
      I have been working in supply chain management for almost five years now, and I have never used any of my knowledge obtained from college. It’s pathetic that my most useful class was a wine appreciation class.

      1. I literally use about 5% or less of what I learned in college on the job. I see college as a place this society sticks its youth because it doesn’t know what else to do with them. It also helps to turn them into debt slaves and teaches them how to follow instructions instead of how to think.
        Really, all it accomplishes is making young people pass a gigantic 4+ year shit test to earn a meager living and saddles them with student loan payments so they become obedient workers who don’t step out of line.

  7. There’s no skill or set of knowledge out there in the world that you can’t teach yourself with enough dedication. maybe you need the structured setting, fine, i probably would too, but its something to consider.

  8. I learned a few trades after finishing University, all self taught. Pat-on-back-pull-my-dick-out-and-fuck-myself, I know. But I’m working on visual effects for the film industry now, and roughly half the people here are self taught… and that’s all thanks to youtube. Literally EVERYTHING you need to know is all there, you just have to know what words to search for then write “tutorial” afterwards. It’s a fucking revelation/revolution. All free (minus electricity costs and internet access).

    1. What would the name of that career be? Special effects or something of that sort. Seems interesting

  9. Imagine the shock I had when it turned out critiquing poems and plays didn’t pay the bills. The only consolation is it opens up a few more doors for teaching English abroad and I can warn the next generation away from soft subjects.

  10. Good piece. For men, the rise of alternatives to the Marxist/feminist university gulag can’t come soon enough. The faster men leave the “education” system, the faster it falls apart.
    IMO, the meltdown of the legal profession during the past several years, and the resulting decline in law school enrollments is a bellwether of the coming implosion of the higher-education bubble. The system is a mirage built on debt and a false image that it adds value. Other than med schools, engineering, and hard science, there’s very little that can’t be better learned in other ways… and even those benefit from a substantial technical school/apprenticeship component, as has long been the case in northern Europe.

    1. Student debt is an enormous problem in England. It’s estimated that ninety billion pounds will never be paid back since new student loans came into effect several years ago.

        1. The banks to some extent for issuing the loans. However, the biggest culprits are the champagne socialists who form the ruling class in England. Just as Thomas Paine shined a light on the meaningless positions created in government and for members of the clergy the current state of affairs does the same for members of academia. These are the same people who abolished grammar schools which provided true social mobility, and went on to educate their children privately while condemning the rest of the country to a steady decline in all areas of life.

    2. There are a couple documentaries out there about the education scheme. I think you can find them free online. “College Conspiracy” (2011) and also “Default: the Student Loan Documentary” (2011).

  11. There are better ways to spend the best years of your youth than going in debt tens of thousands of dollars for a rubber stamp just so you can become another corporate serf under the lash of tyrannical douchebag of a boss. Not to mention subject to the vaginacentric estrogen-permeated typical office hell.
    Take it from someone who has been there done that. Nothing deballs a man like 4+ years of Cathedral propaganda and a mountain of debt for a job that emasculates him and pays him a salary that falls farther and farther behind inflation every year.

    1. what’s your recommendation then?
      I konw entreprenurship and self employment is the final state of the red pill, but in the meantime, what can we do?

      1. Do you know the difference between leveraged and linear income? J. Paul Getty, oil tycoon and one of the wealthiest people ever said, “I would rather make 1 percent on the efforts of 100 people than 100 percent on my own efforts.” The difference is leveraging your efforts. The good news is you don’t have to be an oil tycoon to leverage your efforts and create generational wealth.
        As of 2012, the top 50 companies in Network Marketing/Direct Sales (NM/DS) have combined revenue of $60 billion. It is easy to see why some estimates put the NM/DS industry at $167 billion. With numbers like that, it is safe to say there is a demand for turnkey opportunity. To put that number into perspective, the American movie industry makes a “mere” $80 billion. 
        The NM/DS industry is diverse in its products: from candles to clothing to protein shakes and supplements, if it can be sold in a store, it can be marketed directly. And, in the NM/DS world, there are two keys to success. First, you’ve got to do your research and identify the product line that creates an entirely new market and is just getting “ready to take off.” And then, just as important, you’ve got to be ready “to take off” with that innovative product, so that you get in at the beginning, when the greatest market shares are available.
        Now, with so many NM/DS product lines and companies out there already, you’re going to hear lots of people declaring theirs that “once in a lifetime” opportunity. Don’t take someone’s mere word.
        The following checklist addresses health supplements specifically, but it can be adapted to just about any NM/DS product line or distribution model. If you put a “yes” next to each of the following, then opportunity is indeed knocking at your door.
        Make sure the product is proven.  Ask any medical professional if consumer testimonials are scientifically validating for any health product and you’ll hear the same answer over and over again: absolutely not. The FDA looks suspiciously on health product advertising that are driven by testimonials—and for good reason. So ask yourself: Is the product line in question backed by independent and peer reviewed clinical studies that validate its claims? Are the studies on the technology, the ingredients or the named product itself? And remember that citations of studies validating individual ingredients are not reliable. You can’t assume that two products with similar ingredients have the same efficacy, since ingredients can come from different sources and production techniques vary widely. In the health supplement world, no two products are alike.
        Make sure the product is protected by patents. Let’s say that Company X develops a new product that advances the health and wellness of the community. What prevents Company Y and Z from making a copy-cat formula, lowering the price, and taking over a large portion of the Company X’s market? True, the products won’t be the same—but Company Y or Z won’t admit that, and they’ll be making money in the meantime. So, in order to protect your market, make sure your proven product line is protected by patents.
        Make sure the NM/DS company is customer-oriented. Too many so-called NM/DS companies operate like classic “pyramid” schemes—which you should avoid like the plague. The Federal Trade Commission will in fact prosecute businesses that base commissions primarily on recruiting marketers. Always ask, what percentage of revenue and commissions comes directly from customers?
        Make sure the NM/DS company operates publicly—better yet, that it’s publicly traded and “transparent.” How can you tell if a business isn’t a “pyramid scheme”? You need proof, obviously, and nothing makes a company more transparent than being publicly traded. A publicly-traded NM/DS will publish its metrics and are subject to regulatory review and auditing.
        Ask if the NM/DS is “technology disrupting.” Henry Ford once said, “If I asked the public what they wanted, they would have told me a faster horse.” Instead, his inexpensive automobile replaced the old horse and buggy—just like Edison’s light bulbs replaced kerosene lamps. Disruptive technologies create new markets, making previous products and technologies obsolete. If you want a more recent example, think of Apple Corporation, which has consistently ridden growth curves by innovation—the ipod, the iphone, the ipad, etc.—and created new markets.
        Ask yourself, “Is the timing right?” The lion’s share of revenue made in new markets are made by those that are first to market. Henry Ford didn’t invent the automobile, but he was the first to mass-produce and price them for the general population.
        Ask yourself, “Is this product line affordable?” No matter how revolutionary it is, a product line needs to fit the budgets of a wide market. So ask yourself, “How important is affordability of your product to customer retention?”
        Ask yourself, “Can I get in on the ground floor?” Currently, Herbalife (HLF) has around 3.2 million distributors. (We know that because they are publicly traded.) To put that to scale, McDonald’s has around 35,000 locations globally. A true once-in-a-lifetime opportunity lets you be among the first to profit. So make sure to ask, “How many distributors does this opportunity have? What year did they start their business? How much revenue is in their niche/market?”
        Ask yourself, “Does this product line appeal to Baby Boomers?” Let’s face it: Baby Boomers are a tidal wave in age demographics and they’ve grown every industry, from baby food to real estate. They want health, wealth, and quality of life. This is one reason the health and wellness industry will only grow over the next 30 years, as the Boomers continue to age.
        Are the products consumable?  When you combine a regularly consumable product with ‘exclusive, affordable and 100% effective’ you’ve got the makings of ridiculous customer retention.
        Consider the role customer retention plays in building “residual income.” NM/DS profits rely on a substantial customer base, which rests in turn upon successful customer retention. In the long term, customer retention is the engine that drives “residual income” and creates prospects for worry-free retirement. Without residual income, your so-called opportunity turns into just another marketing job, where you constantly have to sell to maintain income.
        Don’t settle for just a “good opportunity.” Separate, elevate and create your own protected market. Think of your market as a mountain. How many companies are fighting for that real estate? The “trick” is to create your own unique mountain with all the above criteria—and then, with hard work and persistence, you can create generational wealth.

  12. My favorite line from Good Will Hunting:
    “You dropped 150 grand on an education you could have gotten for $1.50 in late charges at the public library.”
    It’s very true. Of course there are a few careers where the degree is essential, but outside of STEM fields you can learn everything you need from the library and from the Internet.

    1. There is so much material online, I reckon an intelligent guy can learn a lot of STEM topics (higher math, physics, programming) by himself, to a reasonable degree. It would require some serious discipline and motivation to plough through the math outside the college environment, though.

      1. You’re right. I was thinking of fields like medicine where you absolutely need the degree to work.

      2. There’s limits to the STEM stuff by learning it online. The material can be very thick and dense. To go through it without proper guidance can create problems.

        1. The MIT courseware in particularly tends to require a lot of prior learning. Background knowledge seems necessary. Just an impression, as I’m not from a stem background, but looked into it to see whether I could hack it for some of their computer science courses

      3. No amount of internet searching or internet courses will expose you to the right questions to be asking, direct you in solving complex theory questions that apply to real problems or even help you select the right manufacturing process to build with.
        Online material has a place, it’s after you know most of the general subject.

        1. I wasn’t speaking about learning solely from internet courses. A huge amount of books, a lot of them with excellent didactics, can be found online and downloaded. If you are unable to learn without a teacher being there with you at all times and feeding you predigested information, then perhaps regular lectures are indeed a better option.

  13. Kahn Academy is a really good one that breaks down everything barney style. It’s great if you want refreshers on old highschool subjects.
    I remember listening to a youtube video where the speaker said that there are very few subjects that require 4 years of study to have a working knowledge of what you’re doing in the workforce. I bet that 2 years of OJT in a mechanic shop will be worlds more productive than sitting in a classroom learning automotive for 4 years. That goes for any practice. Additonally, colleges love this whole thing about being “well rounded” so you end up taking a bunch of classes that have absolutely no relevance to your field of study. Just digging in those pockets.

  14. Great article. I really appreciate the last section with the language websites.
    I never went to college. Its all about who you are and your drive and determination. I run several online businesses, invest in stocks (and bitcoin) and have a nice portfolio of passive income streams.

  15. I am not at all surprised the US is below average. I’m also not at all surprised that this may be surprising to the US public. I’m a little surprised Germany is still doing that good, so don’t waste your time and come here to get a higher education – it’s free. And still worth a lot more than it costs – for the time being. (Though speaking German is advisable, and I was told it’s horrible to learn. But so is Japanese…)

  16. This is a very good article. College nowadays is just high school part 2. It’s where the girls go find out how to perfect attention whoring as an actual paid career and where boys go because they think they can learn how to become men by drinking themselves stupid and trying to fuck girls. That’s just the bulk of the people that go. There’s always a few honest kids that try to go there to learn something and also a few more trying to become licensed professionals and gain entrance into medicine/dentistry/chiropractics…basically anything where the market is controlled by a licensed board and the only way to get it is to go through the actual schooling and obtaining the actual degree (yes a worthless piece of paper). Those are the people that I really feel sorry for because they actually went to college to…wait for it…to better themselves!…how dare them! Lets saddle them with more debt and reward all the social media attention whores for being pretty! Yay go team america! YAH! No but all jokes aside. College is a serous waste of time/money. Go only if you know what you want and why you want it. Just make sure you do it in the most economical/efficient way.

    1. In Canada, in order to get into Optometry programs (of which there are like 3 in the whole country) you have to first get a 4 year Bachelor of Science.
      In Europe (I know this for a fact at least in Scotland) you can take Optometry AS a bachelor of science and then go practice.
      In North America they are just milking us for money.

      1. Are you from Canada? I have so much respect for Canadians that matriculate into med school there, the competition is worse then getting into the top 10 med schools here in USA. A friend of mine told me they have hard 90% cut offs for the MCAT and 4.0 gpa is the baseline.

        1. I am a Toronto Canuck indeed.
          It is extremely competitive right now. I can’t vouch for the numbers but it certainly seems like the people going into med are the ones who focus their entire lives around getting into and completing these programs.

      2. That’s the case with most professional degrees in much of Asia. In India, for instance, medical school is an undergraduate degree.
        The same is true for law, dentistry, and medicine in parts of Central America that I’m familiar with. Lawyers are literally a dime a dozen there, and doctors are maybe a quarter.
        As for optometry – in much of Asia and South/Central America most people don’t know what that is, because anyone who wants to can open a optician shop. That entitles them to examine people’s eyes and order lenses for glasses.
        The average guy can’t even afford that. But no problem, because you can buy a pair of glasses for nearsightedness the same way people sometimes buy reading glasses here in the US, i.e. go into a drugstore and just try on different strengths until you find a pair that you think works well for you. No optometrist or prescription needed.
        Same for most drugs. You know what you need, you go to the pharmacy and get it. Unless it’s a narcotic you don’t need to see a doctor, and the guy dispensing it doesn’t need to be a pharmacist.

    2. It’s funny hearing some of my older friends brag about their daughters going to college and looking down their nose at me for not going; all the while their daughters are getting wasted and gangbanged at frat parties.

  17. I’m in college right now, and there isn’t a day that goes by when I don’t think about going to Canada or the North Slope to weld pipeline. If I’m still here next semester, you can consider that a certified miracle.

    1. I’m currently working as a busser/barback at a busy downtown nightclub. The stories I could tell you guys about the shit I’ve seen there…
      Anyways one of my workmates just got working as a steamfitter at age 30. He’s making 27 dollars an hour and he’s gonna get a raise in a week or so for completing his first 6 months to a year. Just sayin…

    2. Now that I live in AK, if I could go back and do it all over again, Slope worker would be the way to go. If you are wise with your money 2 on 2 off is the life. Get in young and work your way up to a supervisor/management spot.

  18. Our education in the US sucks at every level. I had an ex-gf that grew up in Albania (the shithole of Europe) and her school didn’t even have doors or windows and when she came to the US when she was 9 she was a year AHEAD of the kids in the US. That’s insane.
    Only 20% of kids graduating from college will be in a job that requires a degree. The other 80% might have just gone to vegas and put their money on red (although there they could actually win).
    With that said, there are inexpensive ways to get a 4 year degree. You can do two years of community college and two years at a decent private or public school and get a degree for under 100K. The broader issue is that for so many kids, college is just a four year party anyway.
    There is an issue with non-traditional education however. Yea, you can be self taught as a software developer (my brother is) and have a decent career but often those that don’t go through the rigor or a structured program don’t learn the discipline and focus necessary to be successful at any task. If someone is fundamentally focused and disciplined then I agree a non-traditional education (depending on the career you want to pursue) can make sense.

    1. In Scotland, United Kingdom, education is free for students. This includes medical school and law school. I guess students in the USA truly like to take it up the arse, as the Irish like to say.

  19. Unfortunately university is still necessary particularly if you wish to emigrate as most countries require a degree to gain a work visa. The best option is to get a degree and pursue other non traditional routes to maximize your flexibility.

  20. You can get a BA at a California State school for 15 grand if you’re cheap. Over a lifetime that’s nothing, my car was a bigger investment

  21. For self education check out and download thousands of books of knowledge for free.Also ebook3000 and
    One problem is that certain job categories demand you have an undergraduate degree.Get a fake certificate if you can.There is a risk for sure but if you are convinced that it is more important that you have knowledge rather than a super expensive piece of paper it is then this action is morally justifiable.
    Also,for some of you trying to expat to other countries,having a degree earns you points on the immigration point system of those countries.Fake those too if you can get a way with it.Although Draconian Canada now have degree assessment services to counter this trend.(Don’t bother immigrating to Canada or Australia if you can help it).
    Another thing I gleaned from this article. There is this common notion that women are actually smarter then men and this is because:
    Girls outperform boys in US education.
    But US education is dumbed down shit and ranks low among developed countries.
    Therefore Girls are outperforming boys at being good at useless shit.
    Ergo women are still in general the less intelligent hetero normative.

    1. “Therefore Girls are outperforming boys at being good at useless shit.”
      So true. Art and poetry seems to be the main focus. Heck, even in science class my grade was weighted more on drawing posters than actual tests.

    2. *Girls outperform boys in US education.
      First, girls have Title IX working for them. A black man I know says (and he has a point) that the biggest beneficiaries of Affirmative Action are white women.
      Second, take a stroll over to the Natural Science and Engineering Buildings on campus and tell me again how girls rock at math, engineering and other difficult shit. Those buildings will be a sausage fest.
      À bientôt,

  22. The whole education scam is what it truly is- A SCAM.
    Here are the reasons why our economy is truly FINISHED:
    1) Deindustrialisation: What once was a nation of producing goods thanks to our steel mills, jute mills, factories, manufacturing industries and coal mines helped to provide and maintain a true middle class. However, thanks to corrupt politicians and industries, this marked the end of the middle class and now, the beginning of the service sector economy. Bill Clinton signing off on NAFTA led to millions of manfacturing jobs being outsourced to third world countries and has led to the destruction of many American cities. One only needs to take a trip to the rust belt states to see how bad it has become. In the case of the UK, Margaret Thatcher allowed over 6 million jobs to be destroyed and outsourced. 99% of Great Britain is now a post industrial wasteland, where most economic activity is now based in the City of London.
    2) Oversaturation of Higher Education: When asked for alternatives, Margaret Thatcher encouraged people to go back to school and retrain. I won’t forget those bullshit commercials that would be on the tv, telling people to go to college and university and that all doors are open. To make this worse, Tony Blair perpertuated this problem to the final straw when he encouraged 50% of kids to go to university. This has led to the abundant and continuing oversaturation of kids with so many degrees that the value of a degree has now been diminished. Recruiters continue to create more higher, rigid standards and barriers to help reduce the overflow of job applicants (need 2:1 russell group degree, internships, assessment centres etc.)
    3) Technology: The destruction of the manfucturing trades was bad enough, bad whatever jobs are left in the service sector economy, are now being replaced by technology. Thanks to companies like Google and Apple, the advancement of technology has now resulted in the decline of human labour. For example, the banking industry is now shutting down thousands of branches and merging them with post offices while getting rid of their human employees. This can also be blamed not on corporations creating this technology, but also on the general public. As long as you continue to use smartphones and apps, just remember you are killing off more jobs. Bill Gates has stated that in 20 years, most jobs will be replaced by technology. Oxford University has also stated in a report that 40% of jobs will be replaced by technology. And the signs are around us: Amazon derstroying retail stores, Netflix destroying Blockbusters, Uber destroying taxi cabs etc. When technology creates jobs, it only creates jobs for few, while destroying jobs for the masses.
    4)Overpopulation: Capitalism is truly dead. When we live in a society where bankers are allowed to walk off free and get bailed out by the general public, then what you have is fascism- the merger of state and corporations. But it no matter how we choose to look at it, at the end of the day, the masses will have to rely on the money fat cats at the top for jobs. Without them, we are dead. And by looking at the growing income inequality, greed and more jobs being lost everyday, we must truly look at ourselves and where our responsibilities lie. Everyday, more people are choosing to procreate and yet there is no future for these kids that are born in today’s world. There are simply not enough resources such as jobs to accomodate every individual on this Earth. The wealth will NEVER be redistributed to create more jobs.
    So is college even worth it? The answer is NO. Even fields such as engineering and medicine are starting to become oversaturated and will no longer prove to be fruitful in the future. The only way to survive in this life in this day and age is to hustle and grind. Remember, there is nothing more important in this life, than keeping yourself alive.
    You are truly on your own in this world…

    1. Bravo to your comments, except for the overpopulation. That is a big fat lie and the greatest evidence is that our “elites” are not even interested in the space race beyond building more orbital weapons and spy satellites. The only thing that worries the elites about a huge population is a potential revolt. That’s why they need to have most of the masses deluded, divided and ignorant, like animals waiting for the culling…

      1. Thank you for opinion. When I talk about overpopulation, what I mean is that there is not enough resources such as jobs to accomodate every individual. For example, the UK is heavily overpopulated and these is a housing shortage crisis going on.
        The truth is the wealthy elite, no matter how much money they have, they are not going to redistibute it to create more jobs for the masses.

    2. American wages have remained flat since 2008 or so. Meanwhile, every country we outsourced to has seen a meteoric rise in standard of living for the common worker. India and China are rapidly adopting a first-world lifestyle, including the higher pay and creature comforts. The USA is now being examined as the place to outsource to because of the last six years of painful economic stagnation. The irony is astonishing…and the jobs are slowly returning.

  23. A good topic of discussion, but I think there is much more to add.
    First, as Penn Jillette has pointed out, a liberal arts education (4 year college) was never meant as a way to get a good job. These education programs where established in the late 1800s-early 1900s to provide discussion topics for the aristocracy at their dinner parties. Somehow in the 1940s-1960s it turned into a path for a well-paying job, usually as a doctor, lawyer, engineer, accountant, or other professional. Then in the 1990s, the education system was bastardized as institutions lowered there standards to increase tuition revenues and future alumni endowments. People who frankly had no need to go to college, and frankly should not have, where getting degrees they’d never use after barely surviving for four years. I know of people with advanced degrees working as servers at places like Ruby Tuesdays.
    And many people in the know are coming to realize how worthless some education degrees are. For example, even Harvard had an interesting piece similar to this article: MIT has been forward-seeing and has put their entire curricula online: And whether you like his politics or not, look at people like Glenn Beck. No degree, but he’s created a company that many in media consider the future and what the Tribeca Film Festival has deemed disruptive. Even the CEO of Google, Eric Schmidt, has said we will study what he created for some time.
    Now, I’m not making a blanket statement that college is not still important. I have a degree from a well-respected school that has opened doors. But it’s my credentials and my experience that allows me to win client work that can command up to $700/hour. If you want a higher-profile career, a degree from a good school is
    pretty important.
    The MOST important point I can make is continuously educate yourself. I have learned more with my own personal studies than any degree could offer. You should plan to read one book at least every three months relevant to your career so you’re permanently employable and on the cutting edge of your field. Also, be willing to read topics beyond your initial understanding or comfort zone. Aim to be innovative in no matter what your do. Consider books from people like Sinek, Gladwell, and the Heath brothers. Aim to be a better man. Now that’s true Alpha.
    Finally, as a word of advice to any you who are young business professionals on this site, I highly recommend obtaining certifications before getting an MBA. If you want a great job with an MBA, then make sure it’s from Harvard, Columbia, Stanford, Wharton, and maybe MIT. All the rest are a waste of time and money. Personally, I never got my MBA, and I had people from business schools like Columbia, Wharton, and Northwestern working for me. At the end of the day, even in the more high-profile careers, experience is what is important.

  24. Listen up kids, I have my story. I hope to god some of you young ones listen to me very clearly. College is a scam. It’s expensive and the opportunity costs are mighty. See you’ve been brainwashed by society and media which presents college as a place of merriment, academia, and moving forward in your young adult life. Nothing could be further from the truth. The truth is that it’s really highschool 2.0 at best, I didn’t learn anything the first 2 years of college I didn’t learn in highschool. What a tremendous waste of my money, youth, and energy. In terms of social parties and that sort of thing, you have to constantly either host them or do a constant running around just to be cool. It’s a rat race, I would’ve been much better just living at home.
    Your parents are stupid. They think their college degree 30 years ago is the same thing as a college degree now. Except for the fact that they couldn’t be more wrong. There are too many degrees and as the supply went up, the value plummeted violently, as seen in the 2008 financial crash(where many college grads couldn’t find even entry level jobs). Most young people are either out of work or underpaid. I love that society says these kids are “overqualified”, nothing could be further from the real truth, these kids are monumentally under-qualified to deal with realities in the job world. Delivering pizzas is too much work for these kids.
    My advice is this, if you’re going to go to college, go to community college first to knock out the base requirements and save a shit ton of money. Maybe get a part time job. Work on appearance and social skills. Save up money.
    If I had to go back to college, I wouldn’t. One year working was greater than the four years of “learning”. If I would have just taken a year off from college to get a job, work on appearance, socialize more, get out more, and then gone to college I would have had a MUCH BETTER time.
    The opportunity cost is not just money, it’s time. You’re wasting valuable youthful years where you should learning about the real world at college. Don’t buy into the bluepill bullshit that college is wonderful, it’s a huge scam. Place the money you would have paid for tuition, room, board, food, and put it into a business or invest it. That will teach you more than any 4 year degree in finance or business ever will. The STEM fields and medicine are the only fields which you will need a degree. Other than that, it’s an expensive joke.
    I see a lot of stigma now against people who didn’t go to college. Such bullshit. Going through the modern day liberal arts school I have more respect for people who didn’t put up with that bullshit. Because they live in the real world. I understand these people 10x more than any arrogant asshat with a 4 year degree in english or psychology.
    The moral of the story: Don’t go to college. Ever. If you do, save money and work first.

    1. Even the STEM fields are starting to show decline in correlation to jobs. I’ve heard horror stories of people with engineering, physics, maths and medicine degrees who could not get jobs.
      The whole concept of “studying STEM will get you a job” is bullshit. There is no guarantee in that whatsoever. Heck, you don’t even need a CS degree anymore to get a programming job.
      Here is the story of one guy who got a job at Google without a degree:

      1. Yea, I’m not saying a STEM degree is a good degree if you read carefully. I’m saying if you want a job in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics, you’re going to need a college degree. Personally from what I’ve heard is that foreign competition has eroded these degrees significantly. Doesn’t surprise me. But even in the ideal STEM situation, you’re going to generally be a bitch to some large corporation, with Chad Winston and his MBA from Harvard will lord over you.
        Personally I think the best pursuit for a redpill minded man would be to run his own business. Or be his own investor if he has enough money and skill. Everyone has this false impression that running a business means being a dick, nothing could be further from the truth. Owning a business and being the boss is liberating for a man. I personally am looking into starting my own business, it sounds 10x better than my current job. I really wish I had just run a business all along, but hey, I don’t like to think about the what-ifs.

        1. Absolutely correct and I wish you the best of luck. Going to work for a couple of more years in my hell of a job, get paid and then get out.
          Self employment is the way to go and is also a big FUCK YOU to corporations who think you can be their slave for life.

      2. A co-worker of mine has a combined maths and physics degree. He’s making slightly more money than me and that is due to experience rather than qualifications.

    2. I agree with the STEM field, only reason I went to the shitty undergraduate school was to be able to compete in admissions for medical school. Medical school admissions is still very competitive and it requires you to go to a 4 year university. I wish I could have gone to a 2 year community college and then transferred….would’ve saved me so much $ and time. I lived in apartment across a bunch of idiots who partied all day and night, and it was crazy thinking they were paying $20-25K a year for this.

  25. My advice to anyone contemplating college, do the following instead:
    -Try getting a job in the public sector: if you can get a government job such as the police (which is very competitive, with even graduates going after) then you will be set for life. Excellent pay, excellent job security and best of all, once you put in 20 years of service (provided you are still alive,) a nice fat juicy pension to keep you going till the end of your life. After all, you deserve it since you put your life on the line to help protect society.
    -Self teach: this is now proving to be the way to go. With the advancement of technology and the internet, you can self teach your way into certain professions such as programming. You can easily find lectures on the internet, delivered by Stanford and other top schools. Learn a trade and use it to your advantage to start your own company or to build your own portfolio. Employers value your experience more than your degree.
    -Follow a mentor in an industry: even the old fashioned way of going after success, still proves to be fruitful. Work for free, learn the ins and outs of a business and how the ropes work. That way you build industry experience and can lead to networking opportunites (especially in conventions and conferences.)
    College does NOT GUARANTEE success, even in STEM. Hustle, grind and luck is what you need to succeed in this world.

      1. I agree, teachers and politicians are parasites. But at the end of the day, we live in a parasitical world. There is no real justification of our existence in this life. You do what you have to do, even if it means playing the system and taking everything out of it.
        Private sector is also full of assholes. Higher redundancy rate than the public sector, not to mention that it is the private sector that is responsible for creating automation while fucking the general public over in so many ways like not paying its fair share of taxes, getting corporate bailouts, laying off workers so the fat cats can get a bigger paycheck etc.

        1. Public pensions are going the way the Dodo. The funds arent and wont be there to cover it. More over promising from politicians.

  26. I was fortunate to have had several men as professors who constantly challenged me. These were the guys other students would jump through all kinds of hoops trying to avoid because they had a reputation for being “hard,” i.e. they actually made you earn a decent grade. Most of their classes met early in the morning too. I did better with them than other professors because I knew I couldn’t get away with cutting corners or any other bullshit. But overall, I think college is a rip-off. The key is to do a lot of reading from a lot of sources (pre-WW2 ones, whenever possible), particularly ones that challenge your perceptions rather than confirm them. It’s possible to learn flying solo, but it’s a richer experience in community. And that’s part of the problem: college isn’t a community for men, it’s an indoctrination center for leftism/feminism.

  27. There is money to be made in any field if you can find the right niche market. As an entrepreneur, a higher education may our may not help. But in general being certified and educated is going to get you farther in everything, and help you avoid long hours of manual labor to make a good living.
    Typically I can tell the difference between university educated employee and one that is not. I can also tell the deference between a lazy ass and not. It’s best to be university educated and driven.

  28. While America spends too much on education, our problems with the PISA scores comes down entirely to race. For math, the OECD average is 494. From the DO Ed’s own website.
    Asian 546
    Multiracial 511
    (prob 1/2 white 1/2 asian in most cases)
    White 528
    Hispanic 462
    Black 439
    So basically, if we just insist that Hispanic and Black kids study more, we’ll be fine. Money is not the issue. Black & Hispanic inner cities schools often way outspend their white/asian suburban counterparts.

  29. It is practically impossible to get a good mathematics or engineering education outside of a university. I know this from reviewing subjects after graduating. With textbooks, say from a university library, and a burning motive to learn, say due to a project, then a lot can be learned. But without textbooks? Ha, not a chance.
    Also, the OECD rankings are for primary and secondary school, not post-secondary, and so are not relevant evidence to arguments of post-secondary decline. They speak of averages, but some programs are small and have nothing to do with the average person.
    That more people go to post-secondary is better evidence to suggest, though not itself prove, that programs have been dumbed down. Still, a variety of schools exist, and they might vary greatly in program quality. Reference to actual studies of post-secondary difficulty over time and essays on its worth to the average intellectually-minded person would have to be cited. This one is poor.

  30. Formal education is beta conditioning more than not. If you’re a fresh college grad, ask yourself ”Am I more beta now than I was 4 years ago.” If the answer isn’t clear, then ask a red pill framed person who has known you before college and after. Are you now better trained to do someone else’s bidding? Are you now more primed to work within the system rather than change it? If a woman offered you employment, would you accept it and ‘compartmentalize’ your job somehow keeping it apart and separate from your alpha sex life? Is that even possible?
    COMPARTMENTALIZATION is the most constricting thing you can do to a free mind. People who compartmentalize their jobs end up with unrecognizable souls from the self imposed contortions.
    Consider a person who works for the government who is involved one day in an operation which results in the deaths of children with even the same hair and eye color as their own. He then has to go home and face his own family. How can he do that without ‘compartmentalizing’ his job mentally? He’s a piece of shit waiting to be sucked into the ground by demons – but hey, everything is fine so long as you keep your mind in gridlock.
    Compartmentalization is the biggest psychological obstacle to achieving fuller brain function. DON’T COMPARTMENTALIZE. Go FULL BRAIN, right to left. When you see a hot girl, don’t beat around the bush and compartmentalize. Tell her EXACTLY what you think. Be CALIFORNIAN and LET IT ALL hang out.
    The mind is a terrible thing to shackle with any brainwashing. The elites have exclusive programs where they are taught how things REALLY work in economics and world systems, but they maintain the status quo nonetheless as the elites.
    Red pill truths discovered and disseminated comprise the chief useful body of knowledge. Ancient wisdom along with an endless daily stream of famous quotes from ROK can cap a debate against most any pulp state education drivel. The whole system of deception and chicanery gets a bitch slapping from the red pill mind cloud.

  31. Take those scores with a grain of salt. The USA does lag behind, but cheating is widespread in Asia, especially China and Korea, usually accepted and often aided by the test proctors. Lots of testing centers in China and Korea will literally sell the answers to their students, and the parents will buy them under the table for their children. The SATs actually suspended operations in Korea this year because cheating had gotten so bad.

  32. The only difference between grade school and college is that, when it comes to the former, you’re at least being indoctrinated with Liberalism and conformity for free. That, and the fact that I didn’t have to worry about having a roommate who took one shower every six weeks in grade school.
    College was a huge waste of time for both me and my older brother. I should’ve done what my childhood friend did and gone to a vocational high school and learned a trade instead.

  33. Outside of my STEM classes, all the bull shit electives and stuff I have to take for my degree is ridiculous. Not the mention most of the teachers are fat liberal feminists independent women spouting their shit to everyone.
    I had to take a intro to film class and the instructor was this short red hair lesbian bitch (phD in film…lol) who couldn’t stop complaining about how misogynist the directors were back in the day in regards to early films, ie rear window and other alfred hitchcock films…

  34. Learning something unique and effective is valuable, learning something else that is wrong or everyone else knows isnt. Welcome to the manosphere.

  35. Long ago I realized that knowledge littered the landscape, even in pre-Internet days. All you had to do was buy the right book, or go to the library, pick it up and use it, and I did. The advent of the Internet accelerated this process by an order of magnitude. I was an autodidact, the Web made me a super autodidact.
    The only evidence of formal education I have is the G.E.D. I obtained so I could attend Junior College, and from which I did not graduate. Yet, I retired as an engineer from a large hospital products firm.
    Autodidactism has a distinct advantage over formal education in that you do not waste time mining (learning) one hundred tons of dross to gain one nugget of insight (useful information). You find the information you need to complete the task at hand, do it and go on to the next one. Over time you build up a knowledge base par excellence. If you’re more interested in being knowledgeable and getting something done than in impressing your peers with sheepskin, try focused self education.

  36. I believe online education is good as the additional, but not as the main one. Children should study at public schools. A few years later they can choose another online school, where they can learn more and probably write good paper. But it’s important to remember that now it’s easier for students to use some phd thesis writing services and cheat their educators, so it means they or their parents just wasted money and didn’t gain knowledge.. You should think twice before making a choice

  37. I’m torn when it comes to formal schooling. I always took academic & U courses but chose the 2 year college route in order to finish sooner.
    I ended up leaving the first time after a semester. The reasons being numerous (no money, no time, narrow education, loss of social capital). I got into sales, self educated. And returned after about a year. Finished a year of a 2 year media sales course that was heavily math focused. I lost focus and failed.
    Fast forward, I continued my entrepreneurial route (recording artist/ project studio). After about 2 years I fell into a massive depression (bankruptcy, failed relationship, DUI etc).
    I began to frantically search for a way out of my misery. That’s when I ended up working 2 6-month contracts with Carnival Cruise.
    In between those contracts I fucked my ex in a hotel she paid for. Saved money, travelled to Australia, New Orleans, Bahamas, Mexico, & Fiji.
    I am currently back, armed with more mental strength, experience travelling, red pill knowledge (was a natural womanizer until oneitis and setbacks popped up ) and determination.
    In conclusion, I may study formally again for the social circles you can build and the college girls you can drill.. And the knowledge too, of course.
    I just keep in mind that everyone has their own path.

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